6:50 ‘…so I stand proudly with the founder of capitalism, the founder of Christianity and the founder of conservatism in support of higher taxes for rich people’

Love how totally speechless the audience becomes, with their delusions shattered in moments. Its a shame really that conservatives have to live like that, always fearing that some rogue fact will come along, intercept them and prove their entire worldview to be so utterly wrong.

Fun, gotta say Begala very quick witted, would destroy any GOP candidate in any debate. Tucker showed only that without facts you can go only that far. 

 Great moment. Booing Jesus, lol, that´s how they roll in the con bubble.

“The subjects of every state ought to contribute towards the support of the government, as nearly as possible, in proportion to their respective abilities; that is, in proportion to the revenue which they respectively enjoy under the protection of the state.” (Adam Smith, An Inquiry into the Nature and Causes of the Wealth of Nations)

Taxation in proportion to revenue isn’t progressive taxation, it’s proportional taxation—in modern terminology, a flat tax.

Ridiculous. They were booing Begala.

No wonder Tucker Carlson was thrown off cable TV.  I agree with John Stewart, Tucker is a big dick.

Facts are subjects to interpretations, my friend. But remember something : to “destroy” a political opponent is “fun” only for the base and the media ; the lies and vitriol will not help you to govern and to pass legislation. It’s very difficult for me to work with you when I feel mocked and insulted on a daily basis. And when everything is spinned by people like Begala. I remember that when george Bush agreed to compromise with the Congress, Begala, Clinton and Schumer, trashed him as a liar and a pledge-breaker (instead of praising his moderation). I also remember how Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas were humiliated, at the suggestion of political experts like Carville or Begala. For bipartisanship, it was the beginning of the end. Which is quite sad, because Bill Clinton was a good president, and I like the grand bargain Obama proposed in summer, but the problem is that it is impossible now to make a deal. Because of people like you and Begala. As soon as there is an agreement, you will spin it, call us liars and pledge-breaker, and use some words out of context twenty years later, to make a point in a debate. You like Begala, because you like politics. I prefer policies.

This was stupid. But I think Begala deserves credit for walking into the conservative lion’s dean, he held his own, no one scored a knock out blow but I think Paul maybe won a split decision 

 Just saying…. as a political junkie this was kinda fun.

Why doesn’t CNN bring crossfire back?

When someone standing next to Tucker Carlson looks like a sleazy snake oil salesman and Tucker looks like a statesman next to them… and when someone claims he he reads the bible every night, hails the assassination of American citizens by the president of the United States and claims pride be on the side of the founder of conservatism, they’re well positioned to judge whether the Tea Party is a racist movement or not

Must-see? I didn’t like this show the first time it was on….when it was called “Crossfire.”

because they can only cancel Tucker Carlson shows so many times before it gets tedious for them.

Wow. Begala is quick witted. That’s almost Newt-like. Loved the answer about the Constitution. “Why do conservatives hate the constitution so much?” LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was a good little fight. They were evenly matched. Begala had the edge simply from being in hostile territory. The inverse would have been true if the forum had been liberal. Tucker would have come out on top. I think a good match for Begala would have been someone like Coulter who is pointed with snark to match.

Why is Daddy Warbucks the moderator? Rich guy Party.

Im sorry, what???? A flat tax. So someone not only pays a higher percentage of their earnings, but a higher total amount and you call this a “flat tax”. Wow you guys on left love to get creative. 

I am all in favor of a flat tax rate for all, since that is what is actually “fair”. A progressive tax system is the antithesis of fair, as it treats different groups of people differently.

A flat tax would be a proportional tax, as each pays the same proportion of their earnings. In progressive tax system the more you make the higher proportion you pay. I am not sure you fully understand what a progressive tax system is. 

With a flat tax the wealthy pay more taxes just based on simple math. Lets say the tax rate for everyone is 10% (for ease). Someone earning 50k would pay 5k in taxes, someone earning 100k would pay double, since they make double. It is the fairest tax system I can think of. 

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Sorry you get your feelings hurt when presented with facts.

The quote from the Bible by Begala about “those to whom much is given, much is expected” is not the same as “much is demanded” (by the government). 

The government is not the arbitrator to decide how much the “given” are “expected” go give.

Today’s interpertation of “social justice,” and those who proclaim that mantra on the left, is not found in the text of the Bible.  It does not matter who tries to twist bibical words for their own use, Begala or Obama, most see through their attempts. 

Strange how there are so many on the left who, many times, demean religion yet want to, to use some familiar words, ”cling to it” when it suits their political aims. 

There are no real ”facts” contained in Begala words; it was just a “sound bite” response. 

Of course the government is the ‘arbitrator’ of how much money is taxed and spent, that’s it prime job! This isn’t the Soviet Union and Obama is not Stalin, know how I know? Becase 70 million people did not vote for Stalin to head their government. People on the right talk as if Obama somehow hijacked the country, I mean if he’d been appointed by a court to be our president instead of being popularly elected then maybe those arguments would have some truth to them…oh wait…

Oh, I didn’t know that you equated “the government” as being only President Obama.  The federal government is made up of three branches.  As for taxes being the government’s “prime job,” that is not and was not it’s prime mission.  As you surely know, we did not have a permanent income tax till 1913, (16th admend).  Early taxes were on certain produced products/items; during Civil War we also had a tax, but never a permanent income tax. (So the gov’t never had a “prime job” till 1913?)

My quote deals with charity, and again, the government does not set the amount that one freely gives (the founder of Christianity may influence, but He too did not set an amount).  As far as the Bible goes, the tax issue would be more in line of “rendering to Caesar what is Caesar’s”). 

Although he can propose tax rates, the actual tax rates are set and legislated by the Congress.  The 16th admen gave the Congress the legal authority to set and collect tax incomes (not the President).

Your rant about Obama being elected is not in dispute, but it has nothing to do with how much one gives to any charity.  Or do you equate “giving” the same as being “taxed”?

Government taxation and spending is vastly more significant than charity, and its crazy to say that just because the government didn’t impose a permanent income tax until 1913 that it had never done anything of the sort before then, of course it did! Even during the revolutionary war the government had to tax citizens to pay for war materials.

And my point is that ‘freely gives’ and ’taxed by a democratically elected government’ are indeed very similiar anyway. Taken by a dictatorship would be ‘demanded’. 

You really need to find some of the facts as to how the American Revolutionary War was funded.

Since they did not have the power to tax, Congress used four main methods to cover the cost of the war, which cost about 66 million dollars in specie (gold and silver).

Congress made two issues of paper money, in 1775-1780, and in 1780-81. The first issue amounted to 242 million dollars. This paper money would supposedly be redeemed later for state taxes that were never imposed or collected, but the holders were eventually paid off in 1791 at the rate of one cent on the dollar.

Beginning in 1777, Congress repeatedly asked the states to provide money. But the states had no system of taxation either, and were little help.

By 1780 Congress was making requisitions for specific supplies of corn, beef, pork and other necessities—an inefficient system that kept the army barely alive.

Starting in 1776, the Congress sought to raise money by loans from wealthy individuals, promising to redeem the isssued “bonds” after the war.

Starting in 1776, the French secretly supplied the Americans with money, gunpowder, and munitions in order to weaken its arch enemy, Great Britain. When France officially entered the war in 1778, the subsidies continued, and the French government, as well as bankers in Paris and Amsterdam loaned large sums to the American war effort.

History recounts the many colonial citizens who loaned the soon-to-be new country private funds to keep Washington’s army going.  Many of these supporters lost fortunes. 

Remember, at that time there was no unified federal government to impose any form of taxes on any one much less all 13 colonies.

I noted times, after the country was founded, when taxes were collected, i.e., during the Civil War, prior to the 16th admend. 

U.S. History, it’s interesting…