The Real Royal King?? Hello? We need how many more of this woman in the WH press corps? Was it 20 you said?

Here is Tony Snow making Helen Thomas look like a fool over her Anti-Semitism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICq2AuxYTTE&feature=player_embedded#!

Well this isn’t probably isn’t going to turn out well for White House Press Corps legend Helen

Thank you Bob Woodward Jr. for that scoop. Why didn’t you highlight what she said, Colby? “Jews should get the hell out of Palestine?”

Sorry for the snark but these comments by Ms. Thomas are quintessential examples of Jew hatred and prejudice.

She can try and backpeddle as fast as she can but given her history it won’t work.

Time for her to leave the White House beat and go to work for Ahmadinejad.

What an awful woman. NOW will she retire?

That’s gold Helen!!!!!!!!!!1 Gold!!!!!!!!!1. ~ Karl Spensen

Helen is a woman of ancient age, it is fair to assume she’s been holding in these feelings since World War II.
This comment precedes the Flotilla Fiasco and clearly seems an extension of the historic antisemitism that led to Hitler’s Holocaust and the Russian pogroms. I used to like Ms. Thomas but this comment trashes world history. I may not like current Israeli policy but Helen’s ignoring her own peoples violent behavior to Jews and other minorities is nasty, shocking and disgusting. If you listen and understand her comment she was trashing the United States of America as badly as the Tea Baggers do in their lack of understanding of our country and what it’s all about. Note: she requires American Jews to return to Poland and Germany in addition to the Jews living in Israel. Reminder Helen: Israel/Palestine is the undeniable biblical and historical home of the Jewish people. Germany/Poland is the home of the six (6)million Jews slaughtered by her coreligionists some time after her coreligionists drove them from their homeland.

she was trashing the United States of America as badly as the Tea Baggers do in their lack of understanding of our country

Sorry, the “Tea Baggers” never trash the United States of America. They trash (sometimes grossly and in ugly ways) the people running the federal government of this country just as liberals trashed the people running the government three years ago.

Liberals were unfairly called un-American because they criticized George Bush and the Republicans who were in power.

It’s just as unfair to call “Tea Baggers” un-American for their criticism of Barack Obama and the Democats who are now in power.

I remember one pundit saying that if people on the Left really said what they thought, they would never win an election. But now Helen Thomas no longer knows when to self-censor, and she says exactly what she thinks. And the rest of the Left can only look on in horror at her embarrassing honesty. Then again, the ridiculous stuff she says is just the same ridiculous stuff that other “progressives” believe, but are too smart (or ashamed) to say in public.

Christine says:
June 4, 2010 at 8:11 pm
The Real Royal King?? Hello? We need how many more of this woman in the WH press corps? Was it 20 you said?

Christine, I’m so glad you pointed out that remark of his! Priceless!

That Karma thing is a bitch ain’t it King? Careful who you praise, the next day they can really let ya down. heh heh heh….

Not good. I’m assuming she’s either referring to the Balfour Declaration of the concept of “diaspora”, but either way…not a good comment.

Time to retire, Helen.

“of” should be “or”.

Felix, your are spot on. Where was this international outrage against North Korea when they torpedoed the South Koreans ship?Killing 46 innocent lives? For the most part .. Silence..

This international and Far- left out cry of the Flotilla , stems from the hatred of Israel.

What did she say that was so bad? Isn’t Israel illegally occupying Palestine?

That said, some bad press about Helen Thomas doesn’t change that Israel was wrong for killing peace protestors and shooting them before they even boarded the boat.

An American was shot 4 times in the head… HELLOOOOO

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Israel

Jon based on your first comment of illegal occupation of Palestine. You have NO knowledge of this subject.. Go expand your knowledge outside of the DailyKos diaries.

Yes, Mr. Martin, no Jew should be allowed to live in Palestine. Ms. Thomas demanded that all Jews leave Palestine.

Since when does the race or ethnicity or religion of a person determine where they may live?

You say you’re not a Jew hater or anti-semite. You’re not doing a good job of proving that.

Don’t give the Real Royal King a hard time for saying that we need twenty people like Helen Thomas in the White House. The sad truth is that we probably already have more than twenty people with views like this working in the White House, and I fear that one of them is sitting in the Oval Office. And people like TRRK are at least consistent, since they voted to put this party in power.

People! Stop bending yourselves into pretzels over this shrew of a woman. Everyone can see that she doesn’t have much longer. Once that happens, we can all breathe a sign of relief.

Felixw! Oh, my God! You’re right and everyone knows it.

When the dust settles, I think we’ll all see this for what it really is: Bush’s fault. First, he caused the oil spill. Then he made Al and Tipper break up. Now he has forced Helen Thomas to make anti-Semetic comments. When will he stop?!?

@ Jon Martin …read history….the Balfour Declaration…blame the British if anybody. That land has always been fought for.

http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace%20Process/Guide%20to%20the%20Peace%20Process/The%20Balfour%20Declaration

The fact that Helen Thomas is bat-shit crazy does not prove that Glenn Beck’s pipeline to Gawd Almighty is real. Helen was hating on Jews long before Beck could point to Israel on a map. Prey on it.

Colby, I would think that this deserves space in all your categories much more than the Mark Kirk piece which appears in all of them except Video. What gives?

Nobody owns the land…that whole area has been conquered and re-conquered since history has written itself.

An obvious question is why?

The last legal document of ownership is from David Balfour in 1917 abdicating the British rule of Palestine to a diaspora. It has been abused since on both sides and is still an obvious point of contention.

Charles Krauthammer has an excellent piece on the same subject:

Krauthammer: Those troublesome Jews

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/03/AR2010060304287.html

If you want to wallow in some liberal filth read some of the comments from Helen’s natural constituency. They are positively sickening.

I love how you waited until after she apologized before you report the story.

Once more Media Shite has jumped head first into the sewer. Thomas was clearly referring to Israel occupying Palestinian land, such as the squatters in the West Bank. Most of these squatters are recent arrivals from Eastern Europe (esp Russia) and elsewhere outside the Middle East*, not refugees from the aftermath of the Nazi Holocaust.

* For example: Baruch Goldstein was born and raised in New York, moved to Israel and became a squatter in the West Bank before he opened fire into a crowd of worshipers, killing 29 and wounding 125. Today, he’s a folk hero among Israel’s Lebensraum community.

As Norman Finkelstein pointed out in Beyond Chutzpah, every time Israel is caught committing some atrocious act, its media fluffers start clucking like hens about how another Shoah is imminent. This smear job on Helen Thomas proves Finkelstein right.

This is offensive… and those who wish to defend it, only show their desperation and hack-ery in attempting to protect “their own.” Completely bigoted and beyond acceptable… Thomas should leave the press corps now!

And while I’m sure the usual suspects will figure out a way to bend this (or at least try to bend it) in a way that doesn’t paint Thomas as a complete bigot… they would jump at the chance to attack O’Reilly, Beck, or FNC for much less. In fact, most of them (as we’ve already seen) will probably just attack those folks instead of addressing the issue itself.

This is more than just an “oops”… more than just “poorly worded.” This is unacceptable.

JESUS GOD I come to mediaite and the first thing that gets shoved in my eyeholes is a closeup of Helen Thomas? You suck sometimes, mediaite.

I called her an anti-Semite the other day, and people here vigorously defended her. I guess I was right. They all knew it too, cus most liberals hate Israel.

Does’nt Helen Thomas have a family that can take her in or at least get her some help?

Who was it that said Helen Thomas was a national treasure? I’m going to have to agree, we should treat her as such. Let’s bury her somewhere no one will find her…….

So any comment against Israel, you suddenly remind us that 6 million Jews were killed in Europe. How many Palestinians have the Jews killed in Palestine?

Just heard this.. I love it…

Check out this video on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0Gs4xGw1Eg&feature=youtube_gdata

My brotha J

“:I remember one pundit saying that if people on the Left really said what they thought, they would never win an election. ”

You mean like, oh . . .Alan Grayson?

“I think we’ll all see this for what it really is: Bush’s fault. First, he caused the oil spill. Then he made Al and Tipper break up. Now he has forced Helen Thomas to make anti-Semetic comments.”

Naw! Bush was too busy blowing up the REST of the Middle East.

Liberals don’t “hate” Israel – any more than they “love” the Palestinians. They DO realize that both sides must reach some sort of rapprochement before they destroy each other.

Calling people anti-Semite is waning, just like the race baiters. She’s more Semite than those pointing fingers (that’s if you know what the word means).

@Kam Fet “Calling people anti-Semite is waning, just like the race baiters. She’s more Semite than those pointing fingers (that’s if you know what the word means”

Huh??? Calling people anti-Semitic is waning??? Umm..no…it’s just that the anti-Semites are the leftards..and the media just doesn’t like reporting that. Anti-Semitism is on the rise all over the world..especially in Europe and here in the US on the left.

Semitic is actually a lingusitic definition…so I have no idea how you can say that Helen Thomas is a Semite..unless Arabic is her primary language.

You have to be an absolute fucking moron to suggest that the term anti-Semite, as it is used today, is anything other than a reference to hatred of Jews.

Thanks for playing you fucking retard. Now go back to your comfy, cozy leftard echo chamber with the rest of the fucking idiots..and leave the commentary to the grownups

@Kam Fet “She’s more Semite than those pointing fingers (that’s if you know what the word means).”

Hey, leftard fucking idiot…when you see the term Aryan, what’s the first image that comes to mind?. I’ll bet it’s not of an Indian or Iranian..or a host of others??

Seriously..take your fucking stupidity back to Dumbfuckistan where the leftard idiots are ignorant and blissful.

…and make sure you pay tribute to Queen Helen…you fucking retard

@Barney
You fool.
You could just type in Semite in google and wikepedia not a even a big dictionary would give you a definition of Semite. You want to keep the Semite for yourselves, na mate, you cant sell that crap here, we’d call u out for your black mail, just like the race baiter.

In linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical “Shem”, Hebrew: שם, translated as “name”, Arabic: ساميّ) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge’ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.

Too dumb, just to dumb and embarrassing!

Helen Thomas is a disgusting bigot. Its’ funny to hear all you people actually defend this anit-semite.

Oh and Fam, did you read what you wrote? “was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin,” that means it is generally not used to rfer to them any more.

Am I driving you nuts, the truth is driving you nuts, I enjoy it as you are loosing it, keep cracking me up with your immature debate. You like to shut people up by shouting ANTI-SEMITE, oops not working, not buying it, we’d call you out again and again. All the people in Palestine are more Semite than the jokers around the U.S who called them anti-Semite for fighting against oppression and humiliation.

@Liberty, so it is exclusively for the Jews to lay claim to being called the Semite, gimme a break, right.

Before the European Jews landed in Palestine, from the boats. There Jews living side by side with the Arabs. Then the Ergun came along! I bet you know about the Ergun, if yo don’t, then let me educate ya, they were Jewish terrorist who killed British officers and Arabs and sometimes some Jews they disagreed with. From these lot, the Israeli army was formed with their inclusion and similar Jewish terrorist. I know my history guys, now they are telling us Hamas is terrorist, right as if Israel doesn’t perform state terrorism from day one, heck even before the crazy UN recognised it as a state.

And by the way what happened to freedom of speech. Unn, I guess, you have freedom to offend anybody except the Jews. Even to the blacks they are told, get over it slavery was 200 years ago. But, nope, you can’t say anything critical of Israel or their supporters. First amendment was set up to protect speeches that might be offensice not polite speech. Cry me a Bloody river! blah

@Kam Fet says:
June 5, 2010 at 8:22 am

You just made my point, you fucking idiot leftard. If you hear or see the term anti-Semite, you don’t think the reference is to someone from say..oh, I don’t know…Malta perhaps??

No, you fucking retard. It’s a refernce to hatred of jews.

.Oh..and it’s Irgun..you fucking leftard moron..not Ergun

I like that Kam has essentially tried to turn this into a semantics debate… as opposed to a debate over whether what Thomas said was offensive and bigoted. Shhhh… nobody’s gonna notice that Kam’s avoiding the topic. Shhh.

@Barney you are loosing it. No one rational would want to debate you, and I don’t think the Jews would want you as a spoke man. So you do know the terrorist group, I’m amazed you only chose to spell it right, but not speak about their terrorism and their assimilation to the IDF.

You want to make the whole world feel guilty about what the Europeans did in the 40′s. Well we sympathised, but that doesn’t give them the right to oppress others. The black mail is warning off, enough is enough.

Maybe this was the “bigoted old woman” Gordon Brown was talking about a few weeks ago.

@ImNotBlue

She said go back to Poland and Germany or some places in the U.S. I don’t speak for Ms Thomas, she already apologised. But we should also remember freedom of speech (as part of freedom of expression covers the press).

What she said is not hate speech, if it was she would have been charged. So you can’t pick and choose from the constitution. If you go to court, there’s no doubt she would win. Because there would be hissy fit from a group that do not like to be criticized should not stop people from speaking as long as they do not cross the line (hate speech) which is illegal.

Kam Fet says:
June 5, 2010 at 9:52 am

She said go back to Poland and Germany or some places in the U.S. I don’t speak for Ms Thomas, she already apologised [sic].

Which I guess means we should just forget it… similar to how the left “forgets” and “moves on” anytime they’re outraged by Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, etc. Yeah, I don’t think I’m ready to move on just yet.

But we should also remember freedom of speech (as part of freedom of expression covers the press).

A red herring. Who’s saying she’s not allowed to say whatever hateful thing she wants to? That doesn’t mean we’re (A) not allowed to call her out for it, or (B) she has any special right allowing her to remain in the WH press corps! She should have been booted from there years ago for being an unabashed partisan advocate. This recent bout with anti-Semitism is nothing new for her… she should have been shown the door long ago.

What she said is not hate speech, if it was she would have been charged.

False. That’s not how hate speech works. You don’t get “charged” because you said something unpopular or offensive. If that was the case the Klan or the Black Panthers or many other groups would be arrested every time they put their bigoted heads into the public arena.

So you can’t pick and choose from the constitution.

I believe you mean the Bill of Rights… where Freedom of Speech is found.

If you go to court, there’s no doubt she would win.

Nobody is talking about court… again, your reading and understanding of the law is wrong. A lot wrong.

Because there would be hissy fit from a group that do not [sic] like to be criticized should not stop people from speaking as long as they do not cross the line (hate speech) which is illegal.

You have no idea what you’re talking about… it’s not even close to reality. Before you make further comments, you really need to do some reading and understand what you’re talking about.

@ImNotBlue. You’ve only re-written what I said without disproving it. I’d pick you up on the last one. Tell me where any legitimate criticism. Nope, every one tread a thin line about Israel. The politicians for the politics and campaign money, the press and public for being called a Jew hater.
Just like Beck about the race baiters, people are going to get to a stage and say I don’t care, call me what you want. The truth would be said weather you like it or not.

When a Jew criticize the Israeli policy, they are called Jew haters. Everyone is about had enough.

In the end you agreed, she did nothing wrong, but just the fact of accusation of anti-Semite, she had to go. Nope! its not for you to decide, she’d be gone when God decides, not by your whims and desire.

Israel was created and is supported on the basis of grossly over-inflated statistics perpetrated by Zionists. If as many people died at Auschw itz as is claimed, it by the equivalent of TWICE as many casualties as were suffered on 9/11 EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR 18 SOLID MONTHS!!! And that’s just Auschwitz. If you assume that as many people were murdered by shooting as the iconic “official” Six Million figure claims, 1.3 million, that means that there would be nearly 5,000 people A WEEK being buried in mass graves, assuming it happened for FIVE SOLID YEARS. There should be mass graves literally all over Europe, but 65 years of plowing and digging hasn’t turned up even one. Nazis killed Jews, no question. But the “Six Million” figure is a myth. And I don’t even want to get into why it is that no American journalist has EVER questioned or sought to provide statistics supporting the

@Paula
What has that got to do with the discussion? You’d just give them another excuse, when facts is against them with them salvaging anyone that criticized the state of Israel. We know about the Irgun and the Lehi group as being the foundations with the Haganah to form the IDF. Now they tell who is a terrorist and who is not, but when there evil actions is pointed to them by everyone around the world the scream Anti Semite.

Spoken like a Nazi

@badr
You would know that!

Kam Fet is stupid.

oops, now I’m stupid. You can dish it but cant take it!

Headline is inaccurate. This is the corrected version:

“White House Press Corpse Helen Thomas Tells Jews To ‘DIE!’”

FIFY

Far more hateful/inflammatory things have been posted, here and elsewhere, than what Helen actually said!

The Holocaust DID happen–no matter how badly some wish it would “go away”.
So did the Inquisition.
So did the annihilation of millions of Native Americans and indigenous populations worldwide.
So did many infinitely terrible things in history.
These things cannot be UNdone by rewriting a more fictionalized version of history.
Time has passed.
People supposedly learn from past mistakes–HA!
Zionists want Jews to return to Israel [and now Palestine too?], work another holocaust on existing populations there?
Helen’s far too simplistic statement sounded more about emigration issues than anti-Semitism…like someone trying to stop some of the madness in the world–at least the bits I heard.
Populations have moved, blended and established themselves across the globe for thousands of years, becoming permanent residents wherever they park. Things and people change.

It is Racist to think any population should move “back where they came from [years back]“.
Forcing that can cause whole new holocausts.
–ARE Nazis still in control?
–ARE Zionists the new Nazis?
–WHO is really pushing entire populations to “go back where they came from [move back to Israel/Palestine]”
–WHY?
–WHAT Populations are next–Europeans? Blacks? Scandinavians?
–How far back in history should those who push for it, go, before it is deemed too late to “move ‘em all back where they came from”?
–WHAT becomes of mixed races and religions [virtually everyone on the planet is some degree of mixed!]?
–WHEN does the madness stop?
–WHO decides that?
–WHY? and WHEN?
–HOW LONG before people learn we are all related, all depend on each other, that everything is connected, and there are consequences to actions?
–HOW LONG before we learn to get along with each other?

I think there is a Title/Deed, that I follow from the first chapters of my Bible, and where it has that stuff about blessing those who bless Abraham, and cursing those who curse him . . . well, I’d just rather be blessed.

I hope we really don’t have to go back to beginnings, or America would be nothing but Indian casinos, and I’d be eating way too many saturated fats in Germany.

And, Paula. I think the 6 million figure comes from the lists of peoples murdered, and that the lists were kept by the murderers. Perhaps they exaggerated, and perhaps they counted people on their lists as having been killed more than once. The dead people certainly didn’t maintain their own lists.

But, one thing we know for certain is that American journalists did not come up with the number. So, an analysis about whether some of it was murder and some of it was just taking credit for murders that they would have liked to commit . . . does one of those positions actually made anybody look more sympathetic? Murder is still a crime in every country and civilization, and every time society lets it go, it’s a tragedy for all concerned. I don’t think that any modern culture, civilization or religion looks fondly on murder. Questions about which murderous regimes are less offensive than other murderous regimes shouldn’t lead us to the conclusion that murder is ever good.

It’s really sad that comments on this website have been taken over by a lot of angry, ignorant people who have no memory or understanding of history. Helen Thomas may have made some foolish comments but she was one of the very few journalists who consistently challenged real war criminals during the Bush/Cheney regime. The warmongering of the Bush era unfortunately infected the Israeli leadership who to this day don’t understand that they have to make peace with the Arab world, and it’s clearly evident that the bombing and isolation of Gaza has made things much worse. I’m a Jew and we are a peace loving and God fearing people. Eventually, especially with pressure from the U.S., the leadership of Israel will wake up and make peace with the Arab world. We’ve supported the worst elements in the Arab world because of our thirst for oil and maybe with the ruination of the Gulf of Mexico, this also will come to an end. And for those of you with no memory or understanding of ethics and spirituality, our destruction of Iraq and all the needless slaughter of innocent people all over the Middle East ranks pretty high on the scale of what terrorism and warmongering is about. Please, start acting like adults and normal human beings.

Helen Thomas should lose her spot in the press room over this easily. That maybe her opinion but it smacks of bigotry and that is unacceptable to me. I wonder what spin the White house will put on this…

Ganymede save your fuckin ignorant ass comments to yourself .. DESTRUCTION of Iraq , huh???? From a evil dictator who gased and killed thousands of his own people? You left fucks are silent towards evil dictatorships and their opression of millions of their innocent people , but are loud and hateful towards America for trying to help spread democracy .. Seriously go fuck off.

new york times or washington post or slate or the atlantic don’t care, color me surprised.

@TROLLING4LIBS
Who said the world needs democracy to survive. See what good it has done for the Iraqis and the Afghans. Saddam killed thousands as you mentioned. You know how many people who have lost their lives after he was removed, Millions you dumb shit. They deserve to have a leader like him, after he was removed all hell was cut loose, and you beloved George W. had no clue on what to do.

You loud-mouth, people like you would hide at home and not do the actual fighting. Like to talk big, but when the fights come they hide behind the flag and support from the side like cheerleaders.

if Helen had said any other group should “go back to where they belong,” she would already have lost her press credentials. since it was just the Joos, she gets a pass.

I have to agree with ganymede: some of the comments on here are really disgusting. paula, with her Holocaust denial–how’s the weather in Tehran this time of year, paula?…almost everything “kam fet” posts…the guy who said “the land belongs to no one”…and on and on.

but I do give old Helen snaps up for honesty. there’s really just one question: does Israel as a Jewish state have the right to exist? Helen doesn’t think so. Hamas doesn’t think so–read their charter if you don’t believe me. do you haters think Israel has the right to exist? if not, if you’re like Helen and want us Evil Joos to “go back to where we came from,” then that’s the end of discussion. don’t pretend it’s about pre’67 lines and blockades and settlements, etc etc. it’s not. it’s about getting rid of Israel.

and yeah–you know what? if you don’t think Israel has a right to exist, if you pick them out of all the countries in the world (incl. those peaceful wonderlands of Sudan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Burma, North Korea) as the ONLY country that’s not allowed to defend itself, then yeah–you ARE anti-Semitic. deal with it.

Kam you are one dumb motherfucker , you just said ” millions lost their lives after Sadam was removed??? You are a fucking liberal tree hugging degenerate. I served in Iraq In 2004 and 2007 in Marine Corps . I can’t tell you how many men , woman and Iraqi children thanked us For what we were doing. we fought for dumb fucks like you, unfortunately.

Does this mean we’re any closer to NOT turning over American tax revenue to both Israel AND Palestine? No? Then I don’t care either way.

TROLLING4LIBS
You liar. Who do you think you are talking to. You think you can just seat behind a password and lie to the whole world. Right! I bet they are thanking you for the destruction you’ve brought to their Nation. The level of violence that wasn’t there before is prevalent every bloody (literally) single day.

You must be the dumbest human being who is not aware that more than a million has lost their lives since the invasion. You really served in Iraq, right! show me Iraq on the map. blah served in Iraq. I bet you served in Golf 1 and Vietnam.

Lol @ Kam you truly are a complete ignorant degenerate in our society.

I will not waste my time with you .

Buh bye

.. Oh Kam my new found moron and complete uneducated troll it’s Gulf with a U not Golf.. Wow

I have to agree with Mark Levin, That if this woman was in Occupied Germany during WWII. She would have been leading the children to the gas chambers just to stay alive another day. She is such a hateful person. She has no business “ever”! Calling herself a Liberal!

@TROLLING4LIBS
Coming from someone who calls himself by the title Troll. I got you didn’t I. No evidence for your scrupulous claim. You Liars would be called out. Called him out, on his falsehood. They would have us think the Bushies cant do no wrong, and death of millions has moral ground because thousands were killed.

How about no one being killed, I remember seeing a footage of Donald Rumsfeld shaking Saddams hand after delivering the same weapons that he used to kill his people and Iranians in their 8 years of war. As you rightly said you are a troll, so no need to debate you, not worth my time. But next time know you facts and have a moral level head on your shoulder before typing rubbish.

Kam Fet says:
June 5, 2010 at 4:40 pm

“Saddam killed thousands as you mentioned. You know how many people who have lost their lives after he was removed, Millions you dumb shit. ”

Actually you are wrong.Really wrong.

By David Brown and Joshua Partlow
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, January 10, 2008

A new survey estimates that 151,000 Iraqis died from violence in the three years following the U.S.-led invasion of the country. Roughly 9 out of 10 of those deaths were a consequence of U.S. military operations, insurgent attacks and sectarian warfare.

Other experts not involved in the research also expressed confidence in the findings, even though, as with the earlier survey, the 151,000-death estimate has a wide range of statistical uncertainty, from a low of 104,000 to a high of 223,000.

To read the full article ; Kam Fet ——————

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/09/AR2008010902793.html

@darkangel
http://www.opinion.co.uk/Newsroom_details.aspx?NewsId=78
Check that out. How would you like that body counts of your town is being debated between 600,000 to a million because a cowboy and his cronies jumped to an ill-conceive war. You chose the lowest numbers in the list, that you could find. Tell the Iraqis, how lovely it was to come in and destroy their country, make them exiled their own land and filled the country with insurgents that were never to be found in the country before.

Bloodshed everywhere, go ahead and manipulate numbers. I can see you get your news from Washington post, I bet they have credibility to report the facts. Just like the media did their job before the war.

Kam Fet says:
June 5, 2010 at 6:38 pm

My friend the World Health Organization has cited similar numbers and findings to what I linked to you above.
I’m not here to debate you about the Iraq War { I was not for either }. You just cited a anti war opinion source . As seen from your above postings you exaggerate and mis state facts quite often on every issue ,even doubt ones service which I find repulsive, and I will not engage you in that childish behavior. Good day.

@darkangel
Mr /Mz You are entitle to your opinion but not to your own facts. chow

Next Kam will be telling blacks to go back to Africa.

Speaking of facts, Kam, as an Arabist, I can appreciate the linguistic cuteness in your nonsense when you prattle something out of wiki such as “in linguistics and ethnology, Semitic (from the Biblical “Shem”, Hebrew: שם, translated as “name”, Arabic: ساميّ) was first used to refer to a language family of largely Middle Eastern origin, now called the Semitic languages. This family includes the ancient and modern forms of Akkadian, Amharic, Arabic, Aramaic, Ge’ez, Hebrew, Maltese, Phoenician, Tigre and Tigrinya among others.”

But every educated person, which leaves you out, understands that “anti-Semite” is a “term of art,” a concept you probably don’t understand, invented in the late 19th century by a Jew-hating German author to describe all sorts of evil and many [imaginary] conspiracies such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, itself a forgery by Tsarist undercover police trying to implicate Russian Jews in all sorts of nefarious activities and plots. I’ve lived in five Arab countries for about a decade and understand why Israel has to stop that flotilla, even if a lot of useful idiots don’t.

Jon Martin says:
June 4, 2010 at 9:34 pm

What did she say that was so bad? Isn’t Israel illegally occupying Palestine?”

Boy are you dumb. It is called Palestine because the Ancient Arabs called the people living there “Philistines.”

It had nothing to do with the people calling themselves Palestinians today. Back in Biblical times, it was called Canaan by the Jews and they ruled in in 1020 BCE!!!

Kam Fet apparently belives that HelenThomas’ words were perfectly acceptable. So what then would be unaceptable to Mr.Fet ?

Kam Fet says:
May 31, 2010 at 7:12 pm
This is just one downright offensive. Its a sick joke plain and simple. I wouldn’t be happy if someone makes a gay joke on me, grow up not funny . What if someone does that to your beloved Presidents: George Walker Bush and Barrack Hussein Obama. I don’ think either one of you lefties or rightist would be happy about that. By the Way Mr Ahmadenajad is not my President, I just find it an attempt to debase and humiliate a fellow human being.

I guess a picture that seemingly portrays Ahmandinejad kissing a man is where Kam Fet draws his moral line in the sand.
Kam Fet asks ( June 5, 2010 at 8:39 am)” And by the way what happened to freedom of speech” I guess that it ends when a Muslim is painted in a less than flattering light .

Kam Fet says:
June 5, 2010 at 10:43 am

Was that English? I have no idea what you’re trying to say.

And I like how you ignored the points I made. Apparently, you’ve realized you don’t have an understanding of “free speech” and “hate speech,” so you’ve run away. Thanks for playing!

Kam Fet says:
June 5, 2010 at 4:40 pm

You know how many people who have lost their lives after he was removed, Millions you dumb shit. [sic]

Lie. Do you have any stats to back that up? No… it’s just a lie.

How pathetic.

Kam Fet says:
June 5, 2010 at 7:04 pm

There are no “facts” to support that claim. None.

You can find a group making up information, and then pretend they’ve given you “facts,” but it’s BS through and through. Find a reliable and reputable source. Go ahead… I dare you.

@ Dave Inboca: It seems that you are a man of letters as it pertains to the application “semite.” Most do not know that there were many semitic tribes and the Jews are but one of many. Most scholars believe it was the semitic tribes who caused the downfall of the Sumerians (those are the people who were building pyramid-like structures and had a written language back when the Egyptians were still living in reed huts along the Nile), and this downfall of the Sumerian culture was mostly attributed to the fact that Sargon the Great was half semitic. Oh, and as it pertains to “anti-semitism” being a “term of art,” you are again correct, and I suppose that is because most people do not know that the Arabs are semites, too.

As for Ms. Thomas, she cannot help being “appearance challenged,” but I simply cannot understand why she has to be so mean. She’s GOTTA be hurting in her soul from carrying around all that hatred and resentment with her all the time. I really do pity the poor woman.

I think the Jewish Americans would vote for Hitler if he was running today.
Jewish Americans overwhelming voted 80% for Obama who went to a church that preached and stood side by side with Louis Farrakhan and gave him an award.
Wake up !

@Dave Inboca

I applaud you fine sir…..

@Dave Inboca
I have no respect for anyone who thinks collective punishment of a people can be justify. So you Sir, I have no respect for.
@BowenIsland
You Sir do not know the meaning of the ‘Libel law. There’s freedom of speech, but you don’t have the freedom to defame someone, that’s what the Gay picture clearly is, not a freedom of press at all. If Ms Thomas words were anything defaming,she would have been fired immediately and her colleagues in the White house would have demanded her resignation immediately. And I would be one of the foremost to denounce such behaviour.
@ImNotBlue
Seems you are debating yourself as usual. You just copied and paste what I had written and wrote words that has nothing to do with the conversation or statement. You can’t debate, no counter what I’ve said to you, your only reply lis lie, pathetic, sounds moronic to me, I don’t think people who take seriously to a human being speaking like that. So you are ignored, unless you can speak like a reasonable person.

Throwing a hissy fit everytime Israel is criticized is waning.
You call them Nazi
You call them anti-Semite
You call those amongst them who are Jewish Self hating Jews
I bet this would comprise the whole wild world. The only reaason why the Politicians in the US are not doing this is because they are lock stock barrel to AIPAC. And the are afraid of the consequences that would reach them if they don’t toll the line. Thats democracy for ya.

You know I’d really be pleased if a proper Libertarian like Ron Paul become president. Then you’d know what’s up. Because to him, Isolation is what the founding fathers had in mind. The country would only be in war when its attacked. not fighting on behalf of Israel or getting hate because of it. Then you’d know what’s up.

Remember (that’s if you know) how Dwight Eisenhower dealt with Israel when he first became president. I bet by today’s standard you’d have called him also a Nazi, even though he fought the Nazis. Know your bloody history before you join bandwagons of the ignorants and deluded.

Kam Fet says:
June 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm

Okay, we’ll start slow… since you seem to be slow to begin with:

Address your previous statement: “What she said is not hate speech, if it was she would have been charged.”

I have called you out on not understanding the law. Please address this.

Kam Fet says:
June 6, 2010 at 12:03 pm
@BowenIsland

Actually I do understand libel law . The picture is presented as a captured moment in time, offered with no editorial comment, there for fact.. The photographer did not ask Ahmadinejad to pose as if he is kissing a man , the photographer did not alter the photo. Again it’s simply a captured moment in time from the photographers vantage point. With no editorial comment you would be very hard pressed to prove malice.Any hint of homosexuality is simply your interpretation or bias .
What I assume you are confusing this with is the sharia interpretation of libel, which by contrast states,
“libel constitutes any oral or written remark offensive to a complainant, regardless of its accuracy or intent. Slander “means to mention anything concerning a person that he would dislike, whether about his body, religion, everyday life, self, disposition, property, son, father, wife, servant, turban, garment, gait, movements, smiling, dissoluteness, frowning, cheerfulness, or anything else connected with him,” according to Ahmad Ibn Lulu Ibn Al-Naqib (d. 1368). 1
Sharia regards even the truth as slander if its subject dislikes the facts. Thankfully we , here, are not bound by the tenets of sharia.
I hope that this has helped with your understanding of freedom of speech.

ps- if you google, kam fet gay , you come up first. Seriously. You may want to look into suing google.

Like I said the The first amendment covers radical and offensive speech as long as it doesn’t lead to imminent danger. Check the supreme court decision on Yates v. United States.

Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969) made it even clearer. This is a case that covers both free speech and hate crime. The supreme court clearly states that the state of Ohio Government cant ”punish inflammatory speech unless it is directed to inciting and likely to incite imminent lawless action”. The lawless actions can include hate speech which would be clearly reasonable to be charge.

According to the Supreme Court “The constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press,” Supreme Court also said “do not permit a State to forbid or prescribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless actions and is likely to incite or produce such action” (pp. 571–572). Now focus on the part that reads from ‘except’. You see that, that covers hate speech. If an action leads to that, according to the supreme court they can clearly be charged for inciting violence and causing an imminent danger (in order words hate speech).

Remember the above case had a Klan back ground, and the supreme court defended their freedom of speech. Now compare that to what Ms Thomas said, now we have people crying fowl. If her action appeared to be hateful, and would lead to violence and danger, then Mr. she would be charged, plain and simple. Now are you going to limit freedom of speech, because some people throw hissy fit. Go ahead, see how far that takes you. Hearst newspapers would not have hesitated to fire her immediately, because it could land them in trouble if she writes hateful stuff in her column. So gimme a break about Ms Thomas being a Nazi, and all the wretched name you are calling. You either accept the constitution or not.

“I have no respect for anyone who thinks collective punishment of a people can be justify. So you Sir, I have no respect for.”

Ah, Kam Fet swallows the camel but chokes on a gnat! Stopping a flotilla which had already been offered free port facilities in Ashdod thirty kilometers north of the illegal landing site is “collective punishment” to this Jim Joyce of umpires. Whereas the two Iranian ships loaded with arms trying to sneak into Gaza being stopped by Israel was somehow denying the Gazans rights to exercise their role as a terrorist failed-state? By indiscriminately shelling Israeli civilian homes, which is the only thing these dogs and cowards dare to do, except for the occasional suicidal psychotic.

I guess Kam Fet is exercising that old barter trick that the suqs of the Levant like to pull on gullible travellers. “What’s mine is mine and what’s yours is negotiable.” Only he advocates extortion as an okay gambit for the Gaza terrorists, but denies any defense against that extortion by the Israelis. I guess we know Kam Fet likes the Willie Sutton rule—-go for the prize where it is, and never mind the consequences.

@Dave Inboca
Ahh, got ya ‘Collective punishment’ was not referring to the flotilla. I refer you to the Geneva convention. Article 33 of the Fourth Convention states: “No protected person may be punished for an offense he or she has not personally committed,” and “collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited”.
Also ‘No general penalty, pecuniary or otherwise, shall be inflicted upon the population on account of the acts of individuals for which they cannot be regarded as jointly and severally responsible’. Laws and Customs of War on Land (Hague IV); October 18, 1907, Article 50
The Israelis and their Egyptian friends have punished the Palestinians in Gaza for electing Hamas. An election which the States department under W. had organised. Because they didn’t like the outcome, they decided to lock them in a prison, start an oppressed war and killed their children and destroyed buildings including schools. You would ignore that because of your bias, but I don’t expect much from you. Read the Geneva convention and know the meaning of collective punishment. Flotilla my behind, blatant oppression is going and you’d rather everyone turn a blind eye. Nananana no way.

Dave Inboca says:
June 6, 2010 at 2:59 pm

Spot on ! Well said .

@BowenIsland
He’s been disreputeed and you spot that on. Right! and I’ve got a bridge in alaska to sell ya.

ding dong the witch is gone

Kam Fet says:
June 6, 2010 at 3:52 pm

Hey ,whatever you want to leave your “spot “on that’s between you and your maker, I just happen to think Dave Inboca made very relevent and pertinent points. I’m learning that you, however, can only offer the parsing of words and an ability to copy and paste.

@BowenIsland
Copying and pasting facts you might not have to check before leaving ignorant statements. Basic checks would have revealed some of the facts you guys cant figure out.

What point did he made, the basic of that post of him was collective punishments, which he completely had no idea what it was and you called that spot on, that showed the phoniness in your arguments.

Good Day Kam Fet . I’m afraid that you’ve become a bit of a bore or a boor which would be the homophone, not homophobe . Either way take your choice.

@BowenIsland
lol now you are playing a gay joke, I’ve noticed that you’ve been insinuating around that topic throughout this post. Seems to me you are fascinated by it, from where you want to put the ‘spot’ on, lol, to the ‘Ahmadenajad’ picture. Please, leave me alone, don’t need this.

The Balfour Declaration
2 Nov 1917

The Balfour Declaration
November 2, 1917

During the First World War, British policy became gradually committed to the idea of establishing a Jewish home in Palestine (Eretz Yisrael). After discussions in the British Cabinet, and consultation with Zionist leaders, the decision was made known in the form of a letter by Arthur James Lord Balfour to Lord Rothschild. The letter represents the first political recognition of Zionist aims by a Great Power.

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty’s Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

“His Majesty’s Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.”

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour

That’s the legal lease from a colonial power.

Kam Fet says:
June 6, 2010 at 1:24 pm

If her action appeared to be hateful, and would lead to violence and danger, then Mr. she would be charged, plain and simple.

hate•ful –adjective
1. arousing hate or deserving to be hated: the hateful oppression of dictators.
2. unpleasant; dislikable; distasteful: She found her domestic chores hateful.
3. full of or expressing hate; malignant; malevolent: a hateful denunciatory speech.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/hateful

Nowhere in the definition (which I know you concern yourself with… see your debate over the definition of “Semite”) does it say “encouraging violence.”

I can say what Thomas said was “hateful,” without saying, “She encouraged violence.”

Yet again, you apparently do not have a strong grasp on the law, or the language (for that matter). Being a bigot, does not necessarily mean violent.

Who in America did not know Helen Thomas was crazy?

@ Kam Fet, you got nothin’. Your political illiteracy and moral degeneracy is revealed amply in the silliness of “The Israelis and their Egyptian friends have punished the Palestinians in Gaza for electing Hamas.” which isn’t the point at all. They are blockading, not “punishing” and 10,000 tons of supplies per week are allowed across Israeli borders after inspection to prevent arms shipments. Were you capable of rational thought above the level of grammar school, you’d realize that after two Iranian ships were intercepted trying to run the blockade in the last two years, Israel is not going to permit a bunch of thugs who call themselves “peace activists” to land in Gaza with uninspected shipments.

Of course, this has been organized by the international left including outlaws like Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, and Noam Chomsky among many other sophomoric miscreants. I’d bet you’d love to be part of that crowd! But they only allow people with IQs above room temperature!

And BTW, when Clinton launched the war to free Bosnia from Serb ethnic cleansers, the UN refused to participate, with its usual septic sewage politics. But NATO went in, did the job, and your hero Serb President Slobodan Milosevic ended up in the Hague being tried in a UN tribunal. Explain that to me, you diplomatic genius!

@Dave Inboca
Talking out of the topic again. You didn’t address the collective punishment which I called you out on. And you are still supporting the blockade as legitimate, even though its against International law (says more about you).

Hallucination might be in works for you as I didn’t remember talking about the Bosnia stuff, perhaps you’r loosing your bearings. I don’t know how you can sneak in that topic with this. That’s another topic, and could go into that on another time,God willing,

The last time I checked Noam Chomsky is a respected linguistics and a Jew. But immediately he criticized Israel he becomes a radical. So like I keep saying the name calling is waning.
I’d like to see you enjoy a blockade, limiting what comes to your city, blocking building materials that was destroy by the same group ‘blocking’ in coming ships. If that’s not punishment, then I wonder what punishment is to you.

@ImNotBlue
I can’t help but to laugh at your grasp of basic points. In the above post, I showed you the references from supreme court. Your source to go to a dictionary to check the word ‘hateful’ lol. Case close, you can’t comprehend, so not wasting my time with ya.

From Kam Fets greatest hits collection

“Nope, you wish. There’s none whatsoever. Bet you’r still bitter, all your biterness didn’t get you nowhere, he’s the president. And if you have rage over it, die in your rage, its the eull if God that he’s the president.n ”

” Sorry, its meant to be Will of God. Typo, you could have picked that up by looking at he location of w and e. “

Kam Fet says:
June 7, 2010 at 2:49 am

It’s very interesting what you’ve done. You believe that since her comment won’t directly encourage violence, it’s okay? Is that your point? In other words, unless someone says something that could directly cause someone else to violently attack someone, you’re think it’s all acceptable speech… no matter the venue?

It’s tough to follow all the dodges and weaves you’ve got going.

Ruth Gretzinger — You say I’m a “Holocaust Denier”. But isn’t ANYONE who merely asks for PROOF of the iconic “Six Million” figure. There would be no Holocaust Deniers if ANYONE simply stepped forward with something like PROOF of the number. ANYONE. Instead, we get allegations of “anti-semitism”; and, in Europe, you get THROWN IN JAIL for even QUESTIONING the number!!!! THAT IS AN OUTRAGE IN AN OTHERWISE “FREE” SOCIETY!!!

No jounalist, no government, NOBODY will provide proof of the figure. NOBODY. So, instead of calling ME a “Holocaust Denier”, how about we call you a “Holocaust Histrionic”, because YOU continue to perpetrate a “factoid” without a SHRED OF EVIDENCE supporting your number. You HEARD IT; so, you REPEAT it — without independent verification.

@tws258
Picking up a typo error makes you an expert. Good luck with that in life, hope you make a good carer out of it.

@ImNotBlue
The question is if you accept freedom of speech and the press. That’s the topic you really need to study. Freedom of speech is not intended for polite talk, but offensive speech. So don’t look at me, I didn’t create it. That’s a homework for ya.