Tommy, you ask the most hard-hitting questions of Baghdad Bob. I have NO idea how he’s able to answer them. Keep up the GREAT journOlism.

How about a question on the whoppers he told, according to AP’s fact check. Why no thread on that today?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Tommy, you ask the most hard-hitting questions of Baghdad Bob. I have NO idea how he’s able to answer them. Keep up the GREAT journOlism.

How about a question on the whoppers he told, according to AP’s fact check. Why no thread on that today?

And what of the “whoppers” told by both Bachmann and Ryan?
As for that fact-check I actually read it. They don’t dispute anything he attempts to do but they do show that some of it is pointless. They don’t say he lied as you suggested. Did you actually read it?

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Tommy, you ask the most hard-hitting questions of Baghdad Bob. I have NO idea how he’s able to answer them. Keep up the GREAT journOlism.

How about a question on the whoppers he told, according to AP’s fact check. Why no thread on that today?

You should also check out politifact’s fact-check of the SOTU.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Tommy, you ask the most hard-hitting questions of Baghdad Bob. I have NO idea how he’s able to answer them. Keep up the GREAT journOlism.

How about a question on the whoppers he told, according to AP’s fact check. Why no thread on that today?

Oh…the great Mediaite whiner at it once again.

Actually, children brought here illegally by their parents aren’t criminals, they’re children.

Haha, looks like I’ve upset Tommy’s fan club.

Amass a giant army that can fight wars with any and all weapons conceivable, and that can round up and deport 20 million people from America all while canceling out any tax that could pay for it all. Makes sense.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Tommy, you ask the most hard-hitting questions of Baghdad Bob. I have NO idea how he’s able to answer them. Keep up the GREAT journOlism. How about a question on the whoppers he told, according to AP’s fact check. Why no thread on that today?

The wicked witch of Utah whines some more.

@Mr Christopher Tommy: a sitting US president (and Constitutional scholar)

Neither the original US constitution nor subsequent amendments uses the term “undocumented workers” which Obama used in the SOTU speech last night. The the term “alien” is explicitly applied in the USC as it relates to Federal and State Laws of the United States.

Americans know a Constitutional scholar when they find one. Mr Christopher, your “Constitutional scholar” might need to take some classes from Ron Paul, or perhaps his son who just got into politics.

LOGICandREASON said:
@Mr Christopher Tommy: a sitting US president (and Constitutional scholar)

Neither the original US constitution nor subsequent amendments uses the term “undocumented workers” which Obama used in the SOTU speech last night. The the term “alien” is explicitly applied in the USC as it relates to Federal and State Laws of the United States.

Americans know a Constitutional scholar when they find one. Mr Christopher, your “Constitutional scholar” might need to take some classes from Ron Paul, or perhaps his son who just got into politics.

LOL…..both of those Pauls are Doctors…medical doctors, not Constitutional scholars. Your drivel is irrelevant.

Gasket says: LOL…..both of those Pauls are Doctors…medical doctors, not Constitutional scholars. Your drivel is irrelevant.

You must be high on really cheap drugs to think “Constitutional scholar” is a profession

Is Obama the same “constitutional scholar” that chastised the supreme court, countering the separation of powers, in the prior SOTU? Is he the same one that is bastardizing the interstate commerce clauses to enact mandatory purchases of health insurance by consumers, which will be judged by the courts despite his expertise? Is he the same scholar that is proposing to further curtail 2nd amendment rights? The same scholar that sued Arizona, and has allowed foreign governments to join his suit against one of our states?

Just because someone studies something doesn’t mean they believe in it. Soviet Russia undoubtedly had scholars of US Law, just as there are American’s who have studied socialism.

The only reason why Obama ever studied the Constitution was to look for weaknesses in it that he could exploit, not to uphold it.

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Is Obama the same “constitutional scholar” that chastised the supreme court, countering the separation of powers, in the prior SOTU? Is he the same one that is bastardizing the interstate commerce clauses to enact mandatory purchases of health insurance by consumers, which will be judged by the courts despite his expertise? Is he the same scholar that is proposing to further curtail 2nd amendment rights? The same scholar that sued Arizona, and has allowed foreign governments to join his suit against one of our states?

Just because someone studies something doesn’t mean they believe in it. Soviet Russia undoubtedly had scholars of US Law, just as there are American’s who have studied socialism.
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I wonder if you feel the same way about the Koch Brothers funding the Tea Party. Their father worked for Stalin.

http://exiledonline.com/a-peoples-history-of-koch-industries-how-stalin-funded-the-tea-party-movement/

“and took the high road.”

What does this even mean? Are you suggesting that calling Obama a socialist is somehow equal to an insult or an attack? Obama’s beliefs ARE rooted in socialism. that’s just a fact and a label that fits his political leanings.

“Obama has demonstrated that they know the difference between taking the high road, and being run over.”

What a load of horse shit. Its amazing how you conveniently forget Obama’s attacks on Fox, the tea parties and comments from him that have incited violence. This article is pure Obama loving bullshit.

Paul Broun MD is a fascist idiot, more appropriately wearing an armband and jackboots, a low level job working in a field kitchen.

I don’t care who tweeted during the SOTU, I find it stupid that people were tweeting WHILE THEY WERE THERE! Why doesn’t EVERY Senator have their phones off during the speech? Common courtesy anyone?

EricBoisen said:
I don’t care who tweeted during the SOTU, I find it stupid that people were tweeting WHILE THEY WERE THERE! Why doesn’t EVERY Senator have their phones off during the speech? Common courtesy anyone?

what world do you live in? Not mine. Must be full of sunshine and lollipops and children who always win at everything just for trying. Awwwww cute.

EricBoisen says:
I don’t care who tweeted during the SOTU, I find it stupid that people were tweeting WHILE THEY WERE THERE! Why doesn’t EVERY Senator have their phones off during the speech? Common courtesy anyone?

Yes THE ONE must have every single American’s undivided attention. It should be made law that whenever he speaks we will all listen.

“Consitutional scholar” my a$$. The Constitution was written simply so that the people could make sense of it. What peope call ‘Constitutional scholars’ are the legions of lawyers who produce hundreds of thousands of pages to claim the First Amendment doesn’t guarantee free speech, the Second doesn’t guarantee the right to keep and bear arms, the 10th doesn’t limit the government to the enumerated powers, and so on.

But none of that makes it so.

As for the ‘socialist’ tweet, one needs to distinguish between rhetoric and action.

In his rehetoric, Obama makes very general statements about upholding the Constitution, and more specific statements about policies that are socialist/communist in principle and directly contradict that Constition. (Socialists don’t really exist anyway, as no communist dictatorship ever has or will evolve to the textbook definition of socialism. They just remain dictatorships that subjugate the individual to the totalitarian oligarchy.)

In his actions, Obama is thus far a fascist. Fascists are functionally the same as communists, but they use the nominal private ownership of business to try to hide the police state’s central control over anything it wishes to control. Obama’s not alone here, however. Virtually all the Democrats and the establishment Republicans are marching us ever closer to complete fascism. You no longer own your “property.” You no longer own your body. The federal government COMPLETELY trashes the Constitution.. The President can designate ANYONE, including all of us, an “enemy combatant” and have us murdered. No trial, no jury, no warrants, no nothing. Private businesses are completely shackled by government and extorted royally.

Likely, the only thing that will bring an end to ever-growing-abuses by the government is financial collapse. A very dangerous situation, as the police state will ratchet up to try to hold on during its collapse.

Not a pretty situation.

Of course Obama believes in socialism, why is that a politically incorrect thing to say? The guy was raised by socialists, befriended socialists in college, told Joe the Plumber that spreading the wealth was a good thing, hates big oil, hates bankers, refused to meet with the chamber of commerce, wanted to raise taxes on the rich, passed Obamacare which FORCES people to buy health insurance, passed two stimulus and had the government buy a huge portion of GM… that’s not capitalism, that’s not the invisible hand of the marketplace.
http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

Tommy –

Michele Bachmann’s “shameless” comments during the speech were closer to a “You lie!” moment, though at least she didn’t shout it. Paul Broun wasn’t in the chamber; he was tweeting from his office.

Logicandreason et al-

Barack Obama is a constitutional scholar, by virtue of having been a professor of constitutional law. Ron Paul is not.

Just_MC-

I think you’re confusing “socialism,” “communism,” “marxism,” and “fascism.” Socialism advocates public or common ownership of the means of production and allocation of resources. Communism goes further, also advocating a classless and stateless society with free access to the fruits of the means of production. Marxism is a theory about implementing socialism and communism, beginning with a proletariat (working class) revolution against the bourgeoisie (wealthy.) Fascism is an authoritarian nationalistic ideology, that places the welfare of the state above the welfare of the citizens.

None of these buzzwords that many love to throw around but few understand apply to the US government or the current president. US policies today, and for the past 40 years or so, are neoliberal. Different administrations during that time have focused on different segments of neoliberalism, but the key points are fiscal policy (deficit elimination), reduction of subsidies, tax reform, market-determined interest rates, trade liberalisation (free trade), privatization, and deregulation. Obama is, to a large degree, less neoliberal than the past several presidents, but that’s mostly because of the condition of the country when he came into office. From the SOTU, several of the key points were neoliberal – freezing spending, free trade with South Korea and India, reducing oil industry subsidies, improving education, and lowering the corporate tax rate are all neoliberal policies. Neoliberalism is a bad model that consolidates wealth and power in the hands of the minority at the expense of the majority and fosters inequality of education, social exclusion, and high crime and incarceration rates, so I’m not making this distinction because I’m an Obama fan.

Dave