What liberal media bias?!

The liberals should have nothing to worry about then.

That’s why they’re going out of their way to destroy him.

Phrase #2(c).

But, what did Mr. Todd say that was untrue, Michelle-in-Utah? Be very specific.

“He’s also probably correct in his view that Perry’s campaign will be far more “confrontational” than McCain’s was, but it bears remembering that even the “moderate” McCain participated in a 2008 presidential campaign that resembled Freddy Krueger Glove Night at Chuck E. Cheese’s.”

Seriously, guy get some perspective.  Liberals give more than they get.  People like you conveniently ignore that.  

chuck todd, the last two white house’s personal stenographer?

a liberal?

please, i can’t……stop it….please….

“going out of their way to destroy him” =  showing audio/video of him saying things

Here we go. CVS – Conservative Victimization Syndrome in full flower. The last thing you need to worry about is liberals destroying Tollbooth. The Radical Rightist Republican Reactionaries were not just eating fried treats in Iowa. They were eating one another, with conservatives like Turd Blossom, *ucker, Patrick J., York, Scarborough and others rushing in for the left-overs.

if anything, perry would probably benefit from the “liberal media”……it would fire
up the republican base’s pent-up anger

if anything, perry would probably benefit from the “liberal media”……it would fire
up the republican base’s pent-up anger

if anything, perry would probably benefit from the “liberal media”……it would fire
up the republican base’s pent-up anger

“Recent inflammatory comments”. Hahahaha….Riots in our cities, economy in shambles, class warfare in full gear. Reap the whirlwind libs, you aint seen nothing yet.

“Recent inflammatory comments”. Hahahaha….Riots in our cities, economy in shambles, class warfare in full gear. Reap the whirlwind libs, you aint seen nothing yet.

Just ask yourself, does Mediaite ever go out of its way to remind you (the reader) of all the inflammatory things Obama or other Democrats have said? Nope. There is a reason for that. Mediaite is just another Democrat party propaganda rag, desperately trying to keep Obama in power. 

Just ask yourself, does Mediaite ever go out of its way to remind you (the reader) of all the inflammatory things Obama or other Democrats have said? Nope. There is a reason for that. Mediaite is just another Democrat party propaganda rag, desperately trying to keep Obama in power. 

Just ask yourself, does Mediaite ever go out of its way to remind you (the reader) of all the inflammatory things Obama or other Democrats have said? Nope. There is a reason for that. Mediaite is just another Democrat party propaganda rag, desperately trying to keep Obama in power. 

They don’t do that when it comes to Obama or other Democrats, do they? 

Chuck Todd’s editorializing is a video of Perry saying things?

Chuck is thebiggest water carrier at nbc/msnbc…even though his boss Brian bows to POTUS (well, Obama anyway), Chuck never fails to kiss up to the max extent.  It is what they do at NBC/MSNBC.

Obama lovers one and all; truth tellers?  Nope, not on that network.

The Governor is still a joke. So is Chuck Todd’s goatee.

GET IN THEIR FACES.

PUNCH BACK TWICE AS HARD.

THEY BRING A KNIFE, WE BRING A GUN.

Nah. That’s just good ol’ Obama hopeychange right there.

Chuck Todd would be laughed off tv years ago if he made these stupid comments in the 60′s.

RRK, you have been laughed off this site months ago and you still show your ignorant Crown here.

Why?

I’m sorry, are you denying Chuck is a liberal?

Like I said, you have nothing to worry about.

I know it’s not exactly relevant to this particular story, but are we really pretending that the whole Rick-Perry-knowingly-executed-an-innocent-man-and-then-killed-the-investigation thing never happened???  

So much for the “life” part of “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness,” eh?

Why are non-pent-up-angry liberal Obamabots constantly demanding Obama be more confrontational and less cooperative (to the extent that he isn’t confrontational or cooperative with the opposing party, which he already is)?

Tha’ts your take on it. 
The primary evidence leading to Willingham’s arrest and conviction was
the result of police inspections after the fire, which determined that
the fire had been started using some form of liquid accelerant. This
evidence included a finding of char patterns in the floor in the shape
of “puddles”, a finding of multiple starting points of the fire, and a
finding that the fire had burned “fast and hot”, all considered to
indicate a fire that had been ignited with the help of a liquid
accelerant. The investigators also found charring under the aluminum
front door jamb that they believed was further indication of a liquid
accelerant, and tested positive for such an accelerant in the area of
the front door. Although no clear motive was found, and Willingham’s
wife denied that they had fought prior to the night of the fire, later
testimony from a fellow inmate claimed that Willingham had confessed to
starting the fire.

Willingham was charged with murder on January 8, 1992. During his
trial in August 1992, he was offered a life term in exchange for a
guilty plea, which he turned down insisting he was innocent. At trial,
the fire investigator Vasquez testified that there were three points of
origin for the fire, which indicated that the fire was “intentionally
set by human hands”. A sample of burned material near the doorway of the
house tested positive for mineral spirits, indicating the presence of
lighter fluid. Willingham had escaped the fire with bare feet and no
burn marks. This was taken as evidence that accelerant was poured by
Willingham as he left the house.

Consistent with typical Navarro County death penalty practice,
Willingham was offered the opportunity to eliminate himself as a suspect
by polygraph examination, which “was rejected in the most vulgar and
insulting manner,” according to Jackson.

As a Perry spokesman said:

If Perry’s rivals “oppose the
death penalty for someone who murdered his three children, beat his wife
while she was pregnant with twins in an effort to force an abortion,
repeatedly changed his story, who confessed and whose last words were an
obscenity laced tirade aimed at his ex wife, and whose conviction was
upheld numerous times over the course of more than a decade, including
nine times by federal courts then they should just say so.”

Anyone can be president,Obama proved that.

‘A few years ago, this guy (Obama) would have been getting us coffe’
Bill Clinton, his book Game Change.

*Citation needed.

So we are to now to take MSNBC Dem shill Chuck Todd seriously?

Since when?

And yet the vast majority of commenters are blowhard teabillies who scream about Obama the Kenyan marxist.

So either you’re a masochist who needs to read all that Lib propaganda or maybe this site is not the left wing rag you’d like to pretend.

Methinks the latter.

If by “destroy him” you mean confront him with his statements, his beliefs and his record, you’re absolutely right.

He’s on MSNBC… right? If Darladoon thinks being on Fox News = Conservative. Than by reasonable deduction being on MSNBC = liberal. It’s not a stretch.

Reeeeeeally starting to think all this “Team Obama” chest thumping about how “glad” they’ll be to meet up with Perry is a lot of false bravado.  “Methinks the lady doth protest too much,” and so on.

It all sounds like Perry has been talking around the school about how he’s going to kick Obama’s ass at recess… and all of Obama’s friends wind up saying, “Yeah… well… uh… bring it on!  He’ll… uh… show you!”  And Obama is somewhere cowering in art class, hoping this all goes away.

Barry should be getting Perry coffee!

Barry should be getting Perry coffee!

In case you want mine, it’s Salon and Wikipedia. 

In case you want mine, it’s Salon and Wikipedia. 

Since The Daily Kos highlighted this yesterday, I guess we know where you get your daily talking points from. 

Ooh, another instance of HLA – Hypocritical Liberal Anger.  Sometimes it manifests in name calling, insults, and nonsensical ad hominem attacks, and is mostly exhibited in individuals who think very highly of themselves, but have nothing of value to really say.  They think they’re allowed to be as rude as possible, but heaven forbid anyone else from doing 1/10th of the same… hence the “hypocritical” part.

Royal might actually be the poster child for this disease.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rick-perry-big-black-cloud-quote-taken-out-of-context-by-msnbc-and-abc-news/

Or, you know, making stuff up.

chuck todd merely writes down what the white house tells him
to write down.  beyond that, he occasionally critiques politicians
of both parties, but only from the lofty point of view of a well-to-do
beltway media star.  

Todd not a lib?

LMAO

that’s not a stretch, that’s terrible logic.  

Gotcha.

The Democrat Cycle of Smear appears to have evolved from PERRY’S A RAAAAACIST with the now-debunked “black cloud” MSNBC smear attempt to Kos’s “RICK PERRY IS A MURDER-TYRANT LOL” smear that also bears no semblance to factual reality.

Who knows what tomorrow will bring! This is only, what, day 4 of his candidacy?

Mediaite inexplicably seems to take a lot of stuff that passes for ‘news’ at MSNBC very seriously.

first, obamabots aren’t liberal.  they are right of center democrats.

second, how has obama been confrontational and uncooperative?

he allowed the bush tax cuts to continue; the wars to continue; the health
care bill to become a watered-down, lobbyist-driven, corporate giveaway.

he appointed wall street execs to his economic cabinet.

he’s expanded domestic drilling.

he’s kicked out more illegals than any other prez.

i could go on, but this is a waste of time.  

And yet the vast majority of commenters are blowhard teabillies who scream about Obama the Kenyan marxist.

Citations needed.

Yes, you are a total waste of time.

They bring jobs, we bring a gun.

Ohio Business Owner Terrorized & Shot for Being Non-Union

Well, we must remember with fondness the way KO would wind himself up in such splenetic truculence to deliver his nightly  vapid, insipid “Special Comment”, which no body cared about

You’re pretending, all right.

of course, in T-bagger land, anyone who criticizes a republican presidential
candidate is…….a liberal

that would make buchanan, rove and hannity…….liberals as well

well, one party says stupid sh*t all the time;  the other party very rarely
says stupid sh*t.  so the media will naturally gravitate towards the very
stupid sh*t.  better for ratings.  

Every Republican candidate is laughed at by MSNBC pundits.  But they would do far better to refute these candidates’ positions on the economy, taxes, unemployment, the deficit, the border, the war fronts and jobs.  But those are all inconvenient issues that Obama supporters would rather ignore. 

We will see next year whether voters are more interested in jobs or comedy.

Actually, I don’t frequent the Daily Kos.  I have been bothered by this for over a year now, since I first read about it.

And the New Yorker, and the New York Times, etc

what do you dispute?  

look, it’s a malkin-ite

chuck todd is married to DNC operative, no he is neutral lol

Out of curiosity Darla… where do you see yourself on that spectrum.

How far to the left do you put yourself?

HAHAHA!  You’re joking, right?

First, by “right of center” you must start with a communist center when speaking of Obamabots. 
Second, you haven’t been listening

Or you could alway read about it, and understand that it was a real issue in which the “science” that got the man convicted had been utterly repudiated by credible experts.

ouch:

“While over 126,000 net jobs were created in Texas over the last two and a half years, the labor force expanded by over 437,000, meaning that overall Texas has added unemployed workers at a rate much faster than it has created jobs. And although states like Michigan have lost jobs (29,200 since February 2009), the state’s labor force has shrunk by over 185,000 since then. As a result, while there are fewer jobs, there are significantly less workers looking for them.
As Paul Krugman put it, “several factors underlie [Texas'] rapid population growth: a high birth rate, immigration from Mexico, and inward migration of Americans from other states, who are attracted to Texas by its warm weather and low cost of living, low housing costs in particular.” But they have little to do with Perry’s policies.”

Well, now that you have the facts I posted, are you still bothered?

You might do research before you post your remarkably ignorant retorts.

Poor Michelle Bachman.  Perry is not only usurping her in the polls , now he’s taken her place as the unelectable extremist dumb-bunny candidate that the Obama Administration is cagily manuevering to beat.

The “apostrophe industry” may be flagging, not so the hackneyed media narrative one.

first, obamabots aren’t liberal.  they are right of center democrats.

No, they’re liberal Democrats who are to the left of the party’s moderate wing and far left to the center.

second, how has obama been confrontational and uncooperative?

THEY BRING A KNIFE, WE BRING A GUN.

GET IN THEIR FACES.

PUNCH BACK TWICE AS HARD.

Uniter!

he allowed the bush tax cuts to continue; the wars to continue; the health
care bill to become a watered-down, lobbyist-driven, corporate giveaway.

So did the Democrats in Congress. For years. You’ll be voting against Obama and all of them come 2012, right?

he appointed wall street execs to his economic cabinet.

Why’d you vote for him?

he’s expanded domestic drilling.

He’s done no such thing. If he did, that’s a good thing for the economy and the country. Dummy.

he’s kicked out more illegals than any other prez.

And you’ll vote for him again.

i could go on, but this is a waste of time. 

Guess you owe Bush an apology. He’s the real progressive here, after all.

Todd is NBC’s White House correspondent. Just another blatant case of so-called “hard news” people of the so-called “mainstream” media showing their political bias. This is why it’s called the liberal media. These people are nothing but shills for the left wing.

Chuck Todd editorializing = playing statements of Perry?

You Perry haters seem to be having trouble with this. I don’t care that Perry is quoted saying things.

I do care that ostensibly “objective” news reporters editorialize in defense of their President.

But but but did you see that Perry wears cowboy boots? IN TEXAS?

could be people flock to where the jobs are (texas), and dont stay where there are no jobs(michigan) huh

Disputing the facts in that story?

You aren’t.

Defending the indefensible?

You are.

Links.

Thank Jeebus that no one at Fox News ever expresses their bias. No sir-ee! They’re fair and balanced all the way.

Yes, quote the guy who says an alien invasion would solve the debt problem!

LOL

Your assertion that one party “rarely” makes stupid comments prove the point of a biased MSM perfectly. Darladoon, you suffer myopia. Some of the most absurd ignorant comments have come straight from the top, Obama and Biden. Have you heard none of them, or do you just plug your ears?

Thanks for finally seeing the truth.

Look, you’re a scumbag.

The narrative is not enough for you? But it’s the TRVTH!

So what you’re saying is it’s okay that almost all of the media is biased for the left, because there’s one network that’s biased for the right?

Wow.

Are you aware that a Texas Governor cannot issue a pardon unless it is recommended by the Board of Pardons and Parole? Willingham requested and did not get such a recommendation. Perry could not have stopped the execution if he wanted to.

Are you aware that a Texas Governor cannot issue a pardon unless it is recommended by the Board of Pardons and Parole? Willingham requested and did not get such a recommendation. Perry could not have stopped the execution if he wanted to.

Even a casual perusal of this site will show that most comments come from angry tea party sympathizers, many of whom spout ridiculous talking points about Obama’s birth, his supposedly radical beliefs and his alleged “destruction” of the economy. If you can read, you can find them yourself with a minimum of effort.

at least he has a show, gordon

where’s yours?

yeah, and andrea mitchell is married to alan greenspan

and mary matalin is married to james carville

your point again?

9.2%.

you might want to go back to school….

Did Maynard G. Todd state the fact that 4 years ago that King Obama wasn’t even qualified to take a White House tour , let alone live there ?

Yes, they can never complain about  another conservative source but FOX, and they want their one competitor off the air.
  
I love it. Libs have every other media source but FOX and yet all they can do is talk about FOX!

That’s not the point. The point is that Perry is a murder-tyrant killer who will put you to death for a parking ticket.

you obviously didn’t read the article:

“Gov. Rick Perry (R-TX), since he launched his presidential campaign on Saturday, has paraded around the stat that “since June of 2009, Texas is responsible for more than 40 percent of all of the new jobs created in America.” “Now think about that. We’re home to less than 10 percent of the population in America, but 40 percent of all the new jobs were created in that state,” Perry says.
This stat leaves out a lot of the story. The Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas has promoted the number, but “it acknowledges that the number comes out different depending on whether one compares Texas to all states or just to states that are adding jobs.” Between 2008 and 2010, jobs actually grew at a faster pace in Massachusetts than in Texas.
In fact, “Texas has done worse than the rest of the country since the peak of national unemployment in October 2009.” The unemployment rate in Texas has been steadily increasing throughout the recession, and went from 7.7 to 8.2 percent while the state was supposedly creating 40 percent of all the new jobs in the U.S.
How is this possible, since Texas has created over 126,000 jobs since the depths of the recession in February 2009? The fact of the matter is that looking purely at job creation misses a key point, namely that Texas has also experienced incredibly rapid population and labor force growth (due to a series of factors, including that Texas weathered the housing bubble reasonably well due to strict mortgage lending regulations). When this is taken into account, Texas’ job creation looks decidedly less impressive.  Clearly, there is no miracle for Texas here. While over 126,000 net jobs were created in Texas over the last two and a half years, the labor force expanded by over 437,000, meaning that overall Texas has added unemployed workers at a rate much faster than it has created jobs. And although states like Michigan have lost jobs (29,200 since February 2009), the state’s labor force has shrunk by over 185,000 since then. As a result, while there are fewer jobs, there are significantly less workers looking for them.As Paul Krugman put it, “several factors underlie [Texas'] rapid population growth: a high birth rate, immigration from Mexico, and inward migration of Americans from other states, who are attracted to Texas by its warm weather and low cost of living, low housing costs in particular.” But they have little to do with Perry’s policies.Now that certainly doesn’t make the situation in Michigan a good one, as contraction of the labor force is one side effect of the prolonged recession and unemployment there is still 10.6 percent. However if there is a real “miracle” here, it is North Dakota, which has seen over 27,000 new jobs and a labor force expansion of only 3,700, resulting in about 24,000 new jobs for workers who previously had none. But no one is proclaiming the “North Dakota miracle” and saying that Gov. Jack Dalrymple (R-ND) should be running for President.”

Todd worked for the 1992 presidential campaign of Senator Tom Harkin (D-Iowa).

Oh snap!

Case closed!

Forget Paul Krugman. He has been marginalized as a fringe pundit, nothing more. Being drawn to Texas for it’s warm weather is like saying people are drawn to Siberia for it’s cool climate.
Instead of slamming Perry’s success, go take a look at Illinois, and Chicago in particular, where Obama came from.
Dems regularly slam Palin for “quitting” as Governor. Obama took a job as Senator and never really even attempted to do one thing for his constituents. He immediately started campaigning for pres. I would say he quit on them, but really, he never even started for them.

Oh, goodness, no!  The president isn’t cowering in art class, he’s in the computer lab brilliantly crunching numbers via statistical analysis and sheer god-given prescience.

The WH maneuvered  Bachmann into running in order to maneuver Perry into declaring himself.  If Christie gets in, it’s because the WH geniuses saw  him as an unelectable lout and manipulated him via the Perry-Bachmann strategy.

(Similar narratives pending, depending upon daily polls and liberal anxiety.)

Let us not forget that McCain did not win. Does GOP want another McCain to run against Obama. Of course Chuck and Tommy will love it. Obama won by bad-mouthing Bush, who was sitting president and would not answer back. McCain would not question anything about Obama, McCain lost.
2010 elections have changed the landscape of US politics. Media has not seen the full impact of conservatism on GOP yet. I rememeber, establishment elite George Will had predicted on ABC This Week, that the nominee will be between McDaniels or Pawlenty. Where are they? already bit the dust. Joe Scarborough was flapping his gum about the greatness of Huntsman. Really??
If you look at the Real Clear Politics aggregate survey of polls, Romney has alraedy lost 8 points since Perry declared his candidacy.
In todays atmosphere, Perry will be the GOP nominee. GOP needs a conservative candidate to draw a clear distinction with Obama. Father of progressive conservatism was Teddy Roosevelt. Teddy Roosevelt won presidency as a conservative, but lost the election when he formed the progressive party and ran as a progressive conservative. In recent history, Regan and George W won as conservatives. Bush I lost relection after raising taxes. Dole and McCain were moderate GOP candidates who lost.
People need to know the difference between two candidates on their basic philosophy. Confrontation helps crystalize the differences for public scrutiny.
GOP’s best hope is to nominate Perry.

He could have used his clemency powers. He also could have, you know, not fired members of the commission investigating the matter.  He also could have instructed his hand-picked chairman of the Board of Pardons to recommend one.

He chose to not act, to cover up the crime after the fact, and engage in political disinformation since that time to hide his complicity.

You choose, as ever, to believe him, so you can argue disingenuously on blog pages

http://www.nationalreview.com/exchequer/274695/paul-krugman-still-wrong-about-texas#

Except he runs a 3rd world “country” where innocent men are executed and the Governor tries to cover it up.  Tyrant is poor, but murderer is defensible

Except, of course, what Todd is reporting is the facts of what the Obama
told him. In relating the new from Obama’s people, Chuck is clearly
biased because he’s reporting on the White House….HUH

I’ll admit it raja, you’re just wrong

Except, of course, what Todd is reporting is the facts of what the Obama
told him. In relating the new from Obama’s people, Chuck is clearly
biased because he’s reporting on the White House….HUH

I’ll admit it raja, you’re just wrong

What’s most revealing about the comments in this thread is the way that the nutters have — in perfect Karl Rovian fashion — tried to turn the issue on its head and attempted to cast doubt on Chuck Todd’s impartiality rather than deal with the content of his message. The reason: they can’t dispute his point. The fact is that Rick Perry WOULD have been laughed off the stage just a few years ago. It just goes to show again the embarrassing turn that the GOP has taken in recent years in its pandering to the bozos who think that intelligence and nuance are for elitists.

Chuck, my friend!!
 Anywhere but NBC you would be arrested for impersonating
a Journolist!
And please, set a trap and see if you can capture and exterminate whatever the hell
that is running around your mouth area!

TC wrote: “Is Perry the man of the moment to a narrow band of extremists, or has he tapped into a broader angst among the electorate?”

Gold star for you Tommy!  You worked “extremists” into your silly little ‘column’.  No dogwhistles today?  Then move on to smears #2 through…. whatever.  Pathetic.

and he also said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ9Nsk_v7yQ

For me, I still want Bachman.  Perry is laughable and all, but he might win Texas, whereas Michele losing Minnesota and every other state not in the neo-Confederate orbit would be much more funny

Citations needed.

Or, who was pointing out the obvious, massive govt stimulus would end the recession.  You missed that point, because you only read the comment at newsbusters.

Right wingers can never understand analogy.  The most concrete set of people outside of a group home

Except the unemployment rate there is 8.2%.  Not exactly a job haven

Except the unemployment rate there is 8.2%.  Not exactly a job haven

tea party:

“The Tea Party ranks lower than any of the 23 other groups we asked about — lower than both Republicans and Democrats. It is even less popular than much maligned groups like “atheists” and “Muslims.” Interestingly, one group that approaches it in unpopularity is the Christian Right.”

Yeah, it will be difficult to beat an amnesty loving secessionist who is a televangelist.  those Obama folks are crazzzy

Thanks for your opinion.  We’ll file it where it belongs, in the trash. 

Don’t worry.  the old white dudes here don’t care about Cameron Todd Willingham, but the country will.  And soon

Michelle missed the New Yorker article from two years ago, because reading is hard

And, then Perry hid that science and tried to rig the investigation.  Maybe he thinks jesus likes capital punishment?

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

one of the best article I ever read.  Not that it will matter to you

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

one of the best article I ever read.  Not that it will matter to you

The expression “be careful what you wish for” is not merely universally apt, but particularly and poetically so in your case.

No. That’s not what I said. What I object to is this selective — and demonstrably false — narrative that gets repeated here again and again and again every day. But it’s like trying to argue with a brick, as you’ve just proved again.

Yeah, he needed to prove his innocence, michelle. He didn’t kill those kids and no one who has read anything more than Wikipedia believes he did.

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann

Williams listens to Limbaugh daily

He was innocent? That’s not what the court said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron_Todd_Willingham

I guess you can’t read. Color me unsurprised.

your existence

Dude, stop cutting the pills in half and take the whole thing, you unhinged maroon

Chuck Todd would have been laughed off a ‘news’ channel 10 years ago. Ridicule and character assassination aint gonna work this time Progs. Alinsky capter 7, rules 5,6,7. America is ready, many of your leaders will be lucky to avoid jail when we take our country back.

Morning ‘Loon!  They let you out early today eh?

Morning ‘Loon!  They let you out early today eh?

be fair to pablo.  he’s been jihad-ing against unions for a million years.  Much like he opposed the CRA, the Ledbetter Act, etc.  If an act of government or an institution ehances the power of the middle class or poor, pablo hates it, Darla. 

Pablo hates a lot

be fair to pablo.  he’s been jihad-ing against unions for a million years.  Much like he opposed the CRA, the Ledbetter Act, etc.  If an act of government or an institution ehances the power of the middle class or poor, pablo hates it, Darla. 

Pablo hates a lot

Defending the indefensible?

says the guy defending Pablo. 

And, irony breathed its last and formally expired

I just got an iPhone4 for $ 25. 54 and my girlfriend loves her Dell laptop that we got for $ 36.47 there arriving tomorrow by UPS I will never pay such expensive retail prices in stores again. Especially when I also sold a 42 inch LED TV to my boss for $ 645 which only cost me $ 62.78 to buy.We are getting all this stuff from, GrabРenny.com

where are these riots?

yeah, the nobel prize winner is a “fringe pundit”

i love when darla cites opinion pieces as facts lol

i love when darla cites opinion pieces as facts lol

About as hard as it was to beat a former actor and GE pitchman, so you must be scared to death.

4 Years ago Barack 0bama SHOULD have been laughed out the Dimocrat Primary.  His record was so… so… so…  well there wasn’t anything there.  Good job ‘journalists’. 

so now, todd is not only further left than the Democratic Party, he’s now an apostle
of Alinsky….

If Perry got the nomination Obama would mop the floor with him. 

Well, since we have had a Democratic president who had been governor of a state ranked near the bottom in every demographic and  who refused to commute the execution of a mentally retarded man lest he look soft on crime during his presidential run, YOU should feel right at home.

Yes, and those are all paragons of journalistic integrity and objectivity.  Wake up.

I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT WAS ODD! “W” IS/WAS SUCH AN OPPOSITE OF AN ELITIST!

Didn’t you know, Alinsky was taught by Obama, the leader of the Democratic party. Chucky Todd is an apostle of Obama. Thanks for your insight!

Was that one of your buddies doing the shooting, Timmah!?

Ahhh yes.. Keithy — wonder how he’s doin over there at – where is it? Someone should check on him…

the same point you make with bachmann and her husband

What’s interesting is that nobody here is refuting Todd’s claims.
Their just insulting Todd.

If any conservative has anything of substance to say about Todd’s assertions, we would love to hear your arguments.

Why do you supposed he refused a polygraph?  I definately wouldn’t if I were innocent.  And I guess you don’t believe he confessed. 

I suppose we’re going to go through these little episodes every day.  The journ-o-list has a file of smears and will dutifully disseminate them to their membership and we’ll get a steady stream of red herrings.  You fools will continue to lap it up.  Meanwhile the guy in office now continues to flail about, lurching from position to position, speaking incoherently about his ‘plans’. 

I’m not the one defending the attempted murder of an innocent businessman for having the audacity to run a non-union shop, Timmah!

So you don’t think that the other networks exhibit any kind of bias… only FNC?  Is that what you’re saying?

I know it’s frustrating to try to explain yourself, only to have other people tell you “you’re not making any sense,” but please, do not get upset with me.  I am not the one making you inarticulate.

Express yourself more clearly, so we know what you’re trying to say.  If you’re trying to debate or sway anyone’s opinions, you cannot do so unintelligibly.  That doesn’t accomplish anything.

Nope, I’ve read it. 

Thank you, Ms. Cleo.

So a convicted murderer is put to death, and we’re all supposed to feel sorry for him becuase of a New Yorker article making a host of allegations of misconduct and nefarious crimes against (surprise) a Republican governor of Texas?

Good luck with that one, bud.

What would you call someone who said the threat of an alien invasion would solve our economic problems?

Tim forgot the part about the murder conviction and the facts of the case, becuase facts are hard. He prefers the fiction in the New Yorker.

Thanks for your appeal using the faulty logic of ad populum.
This fallacy is sometimes committed while trying to convince a person that a widely popular thought is true.
Nine out of ten of my constituents oppose the bill, therefore it is a bad idea.Nine out of ten of my fellow congressmen favor the bill, therefore it is a good idea. Wiki

Todd has little to say, and is predictable as the NYT or WaPo. Lean Forward should be replaced with
fall leftward or “fake but accurate”.

If that were the case, why would Team Obama keep talking about how easy it will be to beat him?  Why wouldn’t they keep quiet, hoping he gets the nod, and THEN “easily” beat him.

Instead, it looks as if they’re encouraging the Republicans to find someone else… someone that might be harder for Obama to beat.  And on what planet would that make sense?

Yes. Cameron Todd Willingham, hero, patriot and murderer.

Back that horse.

So, the jury didn’t read more than Wikipedia? The Pardons and Parole Board didn’t read any more than Wikipedia? The Appellate Courts didn’t read more than Wikipedia? His wife didn’t read more than Wikipedia?

You not smart, Timmah!

Tim is so not-worried that he can’t stop talking about Perry and what a crazy murder tyrant king evangelical killer hate machine he is.

Then you’ve got nothing to worry about.

I hope to God you’re right. 

THE WORLD IS LAUGHING AT THE REPUBLICAN/TEATERRORISTS!

You’re welcome, Gladys.

Yasser Arafat, a terrorist and murderer, won a Nobel Peace Prize in 1994.

By your logic, he couldn’t be a fringe actor or a terrorist simply becuase of this fact.

Barack Obama won a Nobel Peace Prize in 2009, and then started a war of aggression in Libya in 2011.

But by your logic, he couldn’t have actually started a war becuase, hey, he won a Nobel prize.

Appeal to authority FAIL.

He could have used his clemency powers

Not without a recommendation from the Board, which Willingham requested and did not get. Wrong again, Timmah!

He chose to not act, to cover up the crime after the fact, and engage in political disinformation since that time to hide his complicity.

Says you. Because you read it on the internet.

There still isn’t a record to speak of, except for a record of record debt, deficit and sustained unemployment we haven’t seen in this country in decades.

Gee — a close-minded teatard who can’t hear or engage an opposing viewpoint with a reasoned argument. What a shock!

Wikipedia?  You are one cool hombre.

Still, do me the favor of being the sort of partisan hack who continues to defend this. My friends and I were discussing this a few weeks ago and many of them were of the opinion that there no way a governor who did this (especially the cover up and attempts to manipulate the investigation after the fact) could ever win a Republican primary.  I argued then and believe even more now, that Republican primary voters could give a crap if the candidate executed an innocent man. In fact, they would like him more for doing so, because the definition of “conservative thought’ is “the opposite of what liberals think today.”

So, thanks for helping me out by even being too lazy to read the New Yorker article from 2009 when Rick “Social Security is Unconstitutional” Perry hadn’t even dreamed of being President.  he was too busy seceding, decrying Federal government debt while accepting it, and worrying about Kay Hutchinson.

the good lieutenant is William Calley

the good lieutenant is William Calley

Chuck Todd… Canny insight… Well, that’s good for laugh this morning. Perry’s hot, he’s going to win the nomination and he’s going to be our next President. There is not a damn thing Chuck Todd can do about it, now that’s canny insight!

You forgot white guy.

Way to kill the messenger, Eric, WITHOUT even reading one word!  God, you people are so dumb

So, do you think we’ll hear from his former wife, the mother of his dead kids?

YOU HAVEN’T BEEN HERE LONG ENOUGH!

Emmanuel Goldstein would blush.

I hope you are being well paid, looks exhausting fighting a losing battle against a tital wave of facts and popular opinion.
http://www.nationalreview.com/exchequer/274695/paul-krugman-still-wrong-about-texas
http://www.politicalmathblog.com/?p=1590

Or, read about it in 2009 when it was happening, because, you know, I’m like that.

Pablo, who appointed the chairman of the Board of pardons?  I’ll give you a minute, but his name rhymes with Dick Serry. 

I guess, the last straw for pablo will be when Perry mocks Willingham’s voice a la Bush the Lesser with Carla Faye Tucker.  Then Pablo will know he has his Teabagging savior

Obama will destroy himself between now and next November, especially if he continues to get out among the ” real ” American people.

These jackazz’s are just following the White House ( Barack Obama ) talking points in making fun of Perry. 

Perry, if he is in fact the Republican challenger, will kick Barack Obama’s political azs eight ways to Sunday and Barack is quaking in his Baby Bop slippers over this fact. 

Every word out of every left wing bomb thrower MSM is a lie that is coming directly from Obama to their lips.

In otherwords they’re all full of it.

we’re talking about the nobel prize in economics

a far less nebulous area of peer-reviewed scholarship

well, the witness recanted and all, Michelle, but that doesn’t interest you, because you believe jailhouse witnesses are always right.

Why do you supposed he refused a polygraph?

Yeah, why did he since it’s inadmissible in court

WELL I TELL YA GOOD LT.! THIS SITE CHANGED TO DISQUES JUST A SHORT TIME AGO! I AM SURE IF YOU WISH TO FIND THE OLD COMMENTS YOU CAN!YOU ARE VERY NEW TO MEDIAITE!

Neither am I?  I’m attacking the right wing goon who hates unions more than he hates taxes

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/17/opinion/crashing-the-tea-party.html?_r=1&ref=teapartymovement

Huh?

Chcuck Todd reporting what he was told by the Obama campaign  = reality

good lt attacking him because Obama doesn’t think much of Perry =  par for the wingnut course

The GOP DEBT you mean.

Pablo, who appointed the chairman of the Board of pardons?  I’ll give you a minute, but his name rhymes with Dick Serry.

And? What’s your point? That Perry could have made him do his will? That’s not how it works and you’d freak out at the first hint of such a thing. Further, a recommendation by the Board requires a majority vote. You fail, Timmah!

An operation rescue IRS attorney?  Yeah, that will be fun. Maybe she can pray the dumb from Pablo, like she and Marcus pray the gay away with government money?

OBAMA TAUGHT ALINSKY WHEN HE WAS YOUNGER THAN 11 YEARS OLD??

Your doctor prefers that you actually TAKE YOUR MEDICATION

lt doesn’t understand words like “peer.”  He demonstrated below that he can barely read Wikipedia

Got nothing, do you?

a person making a simple analogy that you STILL were unable to understand

TURN OFF THE CAPS LOCK, CHAMP.

Got no citations, do you? You said “vast majority” – I’m assuming it would be easy for you to substantiate your claim.

Well. Here’s your opportunity. And you’re falling flat

Nominate him and not the guy who polls better.  My dream is Perry or Bachman. 

unfortunately, much like 2008, the limbaugh-ites will soon be faced by the fact that can’t even direct the Republican party, as Romney wins the nomination.  Still, your Perry stuff and your willing to swallow anything will seem even more humorous then. 

On most real networks Chuck Todd would be the floor manager nothing more

And, you would let Perry kill Goldstein and then defend him for it

Dispute what point? It’s Todd’s opinion that Perry would have been
laughed out of the primary. Here’s how easy it is for me to dispute
Todd’s opinion: “Perry would NOT have been laughed out of the GOP
primary in years past”. There – I countered one opinion with another.
Simple to do because I didn’t need any facts. But then, I’m not trying
to pass my opinion off to literally dozens of gullible viewers as fact.
The problem with the MSM is they make no distinction between their op-ed
and straight news and “elitists” fall for it every time. How does a
“Chief White House correspondent” make a statement like that and hope to
be taken for anything but a partisan tool (both literal and figurative
meanings apply) by anyone with common sense? You, yourself are no
different. How can you say “the FACT is that Perry would have been
laughed off the stage”? Were you there when that hypothetical didn’t
happen? You people don’t even realize you’re making things up when
you’re doing it.

I imagine Perry’s people contacted her last week.

Did you make the call for them?

I’d call that person RONALD REAGAN

BOO YAH!!!!

Or, American citizen railroaded by pathetic justice system, which is then defended by jackasses.

Maybe you should go kick the body, lt?

If Goldstein was a murderer like convicted killer Willingham was, then sure.

You’ve got nothing to worry about, hombre.

This is just a passing phase, after all.

All will be right with the world in, like, 3 days when Perry flames out. Or something.

You’re nuts.

Did I stutter?

If you’re so convinced Perry’s nomination would be no problem for Obama, then you – as an Obamaite – shouldn’t be worried about it, and should in fact be cheering it on.

Seek help. Step away from the computer.

yeah, that report, the several studies, the fire experts, etc is fiction.

You know what was?  Pablo’s story.  here’s from the account

He received word that Governor Perry had refused to grant him a stay.
(A spokesperson for Perry says, “The Governor made his decision based on
the facts of the case.”Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann#ixzz1VJAITFxW

Perry could have stayed the execution?  You mean, like I said?  WHHAAAAA

LOL @ BLUEBUNNY

Hey Todd. In case you didn’t notice keep looking at Perry. Perry may be the last remaining old guard flip flopper to get a sniff at high office. You should team up with Karl Rove and the Newt crowd to get a better advantage at seeing the steam roller on a path to all of you.

Five negative stories on Rick Perry on the front page of Mediaite/MessNBCLite.

Wagner wrote brilliant music.

Didn’t mean he knew squat about politics.

QED again.

Ah. You mean like people that want to get control of spending are “terrorists”? That kind of stupid sh*t? Or people that blame conservative for the attempted assassination of a congresswoman and the murders of several others before the bodies are even in body bags? That kind of stupid sh*t? Or that climate change is going to :kill us all”? That kind of stupid sh*t? Or that the federal government destroyed the world trade centers or planted explosives in the levees during Katrina to wipe out black people? That kind of stupid sh*t.

Could sit here and do this for days.

For the love of All That is Holy! Lie detectors are an utter sham. Completely unreliable and inadmissible.

But, the bigger question: Why has Tollbooth and his toady AG Abbott done everything it could to suppress and thwart the work of the Texas Forensic Science Board to the point of changing committee membership immediately before meetings, to stacking the board, to appointing a new Chairman who was such a hack, so inept and so corrupt that even the Texas Legislature refused to confirm his appointment. Why? Because a full review of the evidence would establish Willingham, a truly horrible person, did not commit this crime and, as such, Tollbooth executed an innocent man.

For someone so Pro-Life you sure do love executions whether the individual be guilty or not, don’t you?

Hypocrite.

One sides loons get plenty of air time. The other side can say about whatever they want and 90% of the media blows it off. How much did you hear about Ex-Congresswoman Cyntia McKinney’s calims that the federal government blew up the levees during Katrina to kill black people? Had that been a republican, it woud have been looped on MSNBC for months. My God, they are still obsessing on the birther crap. 

oH yes, you’re so right! DOLT! You’re confusing him with FOX NEWS!

Dearest, it has been a hot topic of conversation in Texas for years, and it is a profound embarrassment to the state.

But, as long as someone dies, you don’t care. Too bad we no longer have public lynchings, I suppose. You’d be front row with a pack of Slim Jims, a bag of Cheetos and 2 liters of Mountain Dew.

No, people who play russian roulette with our economy are terrorists.  you wanted to set us into default? Well, you almost got it and look what happened. Look up the word “terrorist.” You and the rest of the right wing of the GOP are terrorists. Sorry if the truth hurts.

 I like the all caps and double punctuation. It really accentuates the frothing, wild-eyed “gotcha” you were going for, there. Unfortunately, I’m pretty sure realheadline was referring to Obama teaching Alinsky, as in Alinsky’s methods/philosophy. I had a professor in college who taught Plato, but I’m pretty sure Plato himself was never in the guy’s class. Of course, I didn’t actually check the class roster to be certain.

Your concern trolling is precious, really.

I hope you’re being consistent and calling out Fox News for all the crap and lying they do. What’s good for the goose….

Yes, but he could have stayed it, not permanently, until further review could be had.

You act like this type of thing never happens. In fact, we have a Court of Criminal Appeals justice who was admonished for refusing to keep the office opened long enough to get an appeal filed.

That’s why you need to pay more attention to remarks like Tollbooth made about Bernake. We have a death culture very much a part of the Republican party in Texas. These blood-thirsty governors and justices love the notion of executing people. It’s real. It’s pervasive. And, whether or not the person actually committed the crime matters not at all.

YOU CANNOT BE THAT NAIVE OR DUMB.  Our President has gone out of his way to work with the Republicants.  Not good enough.  You tell me how the hell he is to be cooperative with a party whose Senate leader says that his number 1 goal is to make our President a one-termer.  Not jobs, not bringing our troops home, not the economy.  Stick with the facts, you dolt. and That is why all the polls show that the GOP is loooooooosing steam. Adios, baggers.

Who gives a crap if he wears cowboy boots? His record speaks for itself, and it ain’t pretty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgJC0km1isg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsVMEXbEvX4

No, I mean the Obama deficits:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2009/03/21/GR2009032100104.html

And debt:

http://www.rwnj.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/obama_debt_surge.gif

Trouble reading?

Seek help. Stay away from the kool-aid.

HE HAS BEEN FOUND INNOCENT YOU IDIOT – AFTER THE FACT!  So he didn’t take a polygraph — are you even aware of criminal law?  A defendant doesn’t even have to testify … let alone take a polygraph, but you must be from TX so I’ll forgive you since your education system is so bad. BTW, did you even read the article? 

Citation needed.

Don’t bother, Tim.  Baggers have a hard time digesting facts.

Citation needed.

And so goes the polling of the NBC/Media Matters staff.  I’m sure Michael Moore and Hugo Chavez was ranked near the top of most agreeable and influential 2011.  Maybe they’ll get a Nobel prize…

Good Go  GBS  Todd has his nose so far up the “kings” rectum that he can no longer see what is in front of him.  He is a laughing stock of (haha) media news.  We no longer watch Brian Williams show either as he and Todd seem to think alike,(or is it their employers telling them what they can think?) Anyway you look at it, Todd is just another A345 kisser, and when the “king” is gone – so is Todd!!!

It doesn’t matter if it’s admissible or not.  It let’s the police know if they are on the right track. 

Citation needed

Badly written. Sorry Mr Obtuse. Obama taught the theories of Mr. Alinsky while a teacher. Clear enough for you, or would you like to dipute that?

Provide a link that send he’s been found innocent. 

And must from Pablo and Good Lt…. would never let a few facts stand in the way fo their stories.  

As opposed to you and pablo, who just throws insults. Real tough guys on the internet. What cowards. What republicans…

If my choices for President are someone who let a convicted murderer be put to death or someone who thinks it should be against the law for a doctor to try to save the life of a baby who survives an attempted murder, the choice will be easy. 

Of course. The common leftist tactic of changing the subject when they can’t argue the facts. Badly written though. Thanks. They can’t all be winners.

Tim, I really appreciate your good work on this. It is not going to garner any thanks from Michelle-in-Utah’s and Pablo’s Death Squad here, to be sure, and it is not going to gain much traction, but for those of us who are tireless advocates for life, including the lives of victims, it is an argument which has to be made time-and-time again. We are a violent people, a people who seek vengeance at all cost, justice be damned. Violence breeds violence, even and particularly state-sanctioned violence. For every suspect conviction and execution we have (and All the Marys in Heaven, we in Texas incarcerate people who never committed the crimes with which they were charged, for decades and decades, before they finally establish their innocence, time and time again), victims suffer. The real perpetrators go unapprehended, the entire judicial system becomes a farce, and there ends up being no justice for anyone.

You are truly on the Side of the Angels on this issue. Don’t let the W’s and Tollbooths, the Michelles in Utah and the Paulies block the light. They cannot be transformed because they turn away from the light. But other people, systems can still be transformed, step-by-step.

My sincerest thanks.

Prove it.

Nope. Moosnuts99 was right. The GOP is largely responsible for this debt:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2009/06/09/business/economy/20090610-leonhardt-graphic.html
 

he could have stayed the execution, couldn’t he, pablo?  You know, since several investigations commissioned by the State and do gooder groups had shown the conviction was a joke (especially the forensics part).  Or, did you not know that he could stay it?

Um Ilene, The One has a record low approval right now.  Maybe it’s you who needs to face the facts. 

a teacher of Conlaw?  Taught Alinsky? 

Wow, we never spoke of that in my Con Law class

You are closer to the truth, realheadline, but not exactly. When Obama was a trainer in community organizing in Chicago, the manual they used to teach how to organize was Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.

I’ve read Rules for Radicals and anyone who hasn’t, I highly recommend it. It will end your belief in coincidence, that’s for sure. As in, what’s in that book and how Obama operates is just a coincidence…

no, L T, your mastery of internet jargon is. 

This guy is so annoying

I know I am

You drank it all, so there’s none left.

L T would be surprised at how many “convicted” murderers in Illinois were shown not be murderers. 

Your ignorance is understandable…it’s the “willful” part of it I don’t understand

They let you know who they are afraid of. 

If there are nothing but negative things to report about Rick Perry, then what are they suppose to report?

says the loon who reads only newsmax.  That last part never happened, michelle, but I can see how you stopped reading after the fake nurse appeared on Hannity

I am.

As a student of history and a person who represents the poor and sick on a daily basis, I thought I was pretty hard-bitten, but I am not ashamed to say that I cried after I read the New Yorker article and then became angrier and angrier at every news update about Perry delaying the findings of the investigation, removing its funding, firing its members, etc.

Still, be nice to pablo. If Perry were a Democrat (again), Pablo would be attacking him for this injustice as much as he could.

And, you voted for that President?  Or, did you buy Jerry’s videos about Mena, Arkansas, and cry when David Koresh killed himself? 

So refusing a polygraph is an admission of guilt in your opinion? He shouldn’t have to prove his innocence, he is assumed innocent until proven guilty. He was judged guilty, then exonerated by more modern fire science. But the fact remains that Perry, even if he did act in good faith when ok-ing the execution, even if he did believe the guy was guilty, impeded the subsequent investigation. 

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/09/02/innocent-until-executed.html

“You [sic] not smart, Timmah!”

says the guy who champions the death of an innocent man, doesn’t know the details of the crime or the conviction or the fake confession or the terrible forensic science or almost anything of consequence about the case. 

I didn’t say it was an admission of guilt, but I think it looks bad. 

Seriously?  I’ve been arguing you with tea party nimrods all day.

Hell, Pablo is a refugee from white supremacist Robert Stacy McCain or wannabe UFC fighter Jeff Goldstein’s places.  That’s where I met him.  You and Michelle and Pablo couldn’t be more right wing without giving us your Freeper ID’s and Stormfront nicknames

Haven’t read newsmax in months.  Nice try though!

That was, indeed, disgraceful as was so much about that president.

The Late Governor Richards certainly did little to stop or slow state-sanctioned murder in Texas, although she never seemed to take the macabre, inhuman glee from executions that W and Tollbooth have.

That excuses nothing, however.

Tim,
What right wing positions are you referring too?

Yes, we understand Michelle-in-Utah. Once a person is born, they can go straight to H-E-Double Hockey Sticks in your perverse view. We all get it. We understand you get thrilled by the hardship and death of other people.

That was, indeed, disgraceful as was so much about that president.

The Late Governor Richards certainly did little to stop or slow state-sanctioned murder in Texas, although she never seemed to take the macabre, inhuman glee from executions that W and Tollbooth have.

That excuses nothing, however.

I doubt it. Too many multiple syllable words.

“but for those of us who are tireless advocates for life” 

But only life that begins when you say it begins, right?  

They’re called speculation.

Hey dude see u are just the type of asshole who walks around saying no America or pur government won’t do such a thing when they are the very same people who will wipe ur ass out. U see they love people like u

Neither am I?

Still not too sure, huh?

I hate thugs, Timmah! But you seem to approve.

Does anyone know if Bachman was able to down from the cross yet after her Newsweek cover?

the media is SO UNFAIR to conservatives, right, blue?

“YOU CANNOT BE THAT NAIVE OR DUMB.”

citation to that definitely needed.

Timmah’s hatehatehatehatehatehatehatehate is all he needs. Be careful with this one. He can see into your soul! Or so he thinks.

Oh I’m very capable of doing that, but your comment doesn’t imply you are willing.  Look in the mirror pal!

Oh I’m very capable of doing that, but your comment doesn’t imply you are willing.  Look in the mirror pal!

Instant facts! Make one up now!

Instant facts! Make one up now!

I championed? I haven’t been in Texas in a decade, freak.

I championed? I haven’t been in Texas in a decade, freak.

He’s employed by NBC and NBC reporters appear on MSNBC for contractual reasons.

Care to argue that Joe Scarborough or Patrick Buchanan are liberals?

Thanks for proving yet again that you are a complete moron!  Hey any gun-toting madmen terrorizing the streets down there is Texas today!?

I take it that it was LOL when REAGAN said it over 25 years ago

yeah, that report, the several studies, the fire experts, etc is fiction.

You know what was?  Pablo’s story.

I’m almost afraid to ask, but what the hell are you babbling about, Timmah!?

She claims he confessed to her before he died.  Are you calling her a liar?

Alllllllll those jobs must explain why Texas has such a high POVERTY RATE

Oh wait a second…

And his only lawyer’s expert said it was arson, which was why they didn’t put him on the stand.

Yeah, that part I believe.  Whereas Obama wanted to look forward and not look backward (and thus I never got the Cheney/Addington I deserved), the GOP don’t believe that tripe!   

HE KNOWS WHAT YOU READ!!! FEAR HIS AWESOME POWERS!!!!

Or, point and laugh. That’s what I do.

I think his tender last words to her will be sufficient.

You know who has read it and brags about following it?  Jame O’Keefe.  Since he’s the conservative jesus, Alinsky must be cool

Teddy roosevelt’s party was called the Bull Moose party.  the Progressive Party is a different thing altogether

well, the citation of facts was all screwed up, but let’s hope the diagnosis is correct

When you read this phrase:  “So what you’re saying…” from a Teabagger, the rest of the the “sentence” is about creating the strawman.  The next sentence will witness the strawman’s destruction. 

Nice work, blue.  You could teach a class in how to commit logical fallacies

I’m still shocked that Wagner won a Nobel prize in music….

Joe Scarborough is no conservative. Pat Buchanan is just a nut. He writes on World Net Daily for God’s sake!

No, I’m calling you mistaken.

Yeah, one wonders why their already troubled marriage didn’t survive the death of their children, the state’s accusation and authorities telling her he did it, and then the fake science and false confession.  One wonders why they weren’t close.

I mean, you might, since you don’t care about this guy, his kids, their mother, the other innocent people in Texas jails, etc.  Politics is all that matters to you, Pablo.  it’s why you use the tactics of Lenin and Trotsky and still claim to hate them

Michelle

In December, 2004, questions about the scientific evidence in the
Willingham case began to surface. Maurice Possley and Steve Mills, of
the Chicago Tribune, had published an investigative series on
flaws in forensic science; upon learning of Hurst’s report, Possley and
Mills asked three fire experts, including John Lentini, to examine the
original investigation. The experts concurred with Hurst’s report.
Nearly two years later, the Innocence Project commissioned Lentini and
three other top fire investigators to conduct an independent review of
the arson evidence in the Willingham case. The panel concluded that
“each and every one” of the indicators of arson had been “scientifically
proven to be invalid.”
In 2005, Texas established a government
commission to investigate allegations of error and misconduct by
forensic scientists. The first cases that are being reviewed by the
commission are those of Willingham and Willis. In mid-August, the noted
fire scientist Craig Beyler, who was hired by the commission, completed
his investigation. In a scathing report, he concluded that investigators
in the Willingham case had no scientific basis for claiming that the
fire was arson, ignored evidence that contradicted their theory, had no
comprehension of flashover and fire dynamics, relied on discredited
folklore, and failed to eliminate potential accidental or alternative
causes of the fire. He said that Vasquez’s approach seemed to deny
“rational reasoning” and was more “characteristic of mystics or
psychics.” What’s more, Beyler determined that the investigation
violated, as he put it to me, “not only the standards of today but even
of the time period.” The commission is reviewing his findings, and plans
to release its own report next year. Some legal scholars believe that
the commission may narrowly assess the reliability of the scientific
evidence. There is a chance, however, that Texas could become the first
state to acknowledge officially that, since the advent of the modern
judicial system, it had carried out the “execution of a legally and
factually innocent person.”
Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/09/07/090907fa_fact_grann#ixzz1VJZ2pPDfI know you love the flawed trial and all, but much like Cameron Mays (http://reason.com/archives/2006/10/01/the-case-of-cory-maye), trials aren’t always fair.  You’d think you knew that by now.  or, did Jesus tell you to always fight against the poor and oppressed and in favor of the State.

How can you refute an opinion? Chuck Todd is projecting his own thoughts onto the White House and the Obama reelection campaign. Now if you’re asking whether or not I agree with his notion that Perry = McGovern, I’d respectfully say that Chuck Todd is on crack if he believes that. McGovern won only a single state(MassachusettEs for you Obama supporters who don’t read history books) along with DC.

If Perry is the nominee, he’s all but guaranteed to sweep the South. Florida will easily go back in the GOP column. New Mexico will be the only remotely difficult state to win back in that region. He’ll also get New Hampshire, Iowa, Virginia, North Carolina, Ohio, and Indiana. Along with that electoral vote in Nebraska Obama picked off last time. Couple all of those pickups with the additional electoral votes from the 2010 Census, and even if we leave Colorado, Nevada, and New Mexico in Obama’s column, Perry has 276 which hands him the election.

That may not be Reagan in 1980, but it’s a winner regardless.

How can we default when we had enough money to cover the interest payments on the debt? Do you even understand what “default” means? Or are you regurgitating Obama talking points?

You mean when Obama told Republicans when they tried to negotiate over the stimulus bill, “I won”? You mean when he allowed Pelosi and Reid to shut Republicans out of negotiations over the stimulus? You mean when he didn’t call Mitch McConnell, the top Republican in the Senate, for the first year and a half of his term? You mean when he had a deal on the table with John Boehner for $800 billion in new taxes that they’d both agreed to only to back out at the last minute because he wanted another $400 billion?

Who’s acting naive or dumb now?

If you can read, then you can post them here instead of offering up a strawman argument.

You loose credibility when you originally wanted to be president of Texas.

Just what we need another shoot from the hip cowboy from Texas. What is wrong with you? Are you just a masochist. This guy is dumber than George W. and that is saying a lot. People who don’t learn from their mistakes are bound to repeat them. What do  you have to be on the side fo the road with a dign inyour hand before you realize the Republican party doesn’t give two hoots about you and are you’re little teaturd friends.

Actually it has happened. Obama twice voted against the Born Alive Infants Protection Act. He advocated allowing doctors to set aside babies born alive during a botched abortion to die. It’s in his voting record whether you like it or not.

Yeah, if only we had a more respectable unemployment rate like the national average of 9.1%. Obama’s doing a much better job than Perry.

You mean like the $830 billion stimulus bill that saw unemployment rise from 7.5% to 9.1% and GDP shrink to an anemic 0.8% in the first half of 2011? Yeah, let’s have more of that.

your mom should be getting ready

Krugman’s fellow Nobel Prize winners:

Yassir Arafat, Al Gore, Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter

Show me someone equivalent in terms of temperament and record that was considered a top tier candidate four years ago. The GOP used to sideline their wingnuts. Now they make them political stars. 

What negative things? You mean that “quote” about black clouds? Or Chuck Todd’s opinion of Perry masquerading as political commentary? Or Al Sharpton claiming job creation in Texas isn’t real? Or another perverted corn dog photo of a GOP candidate? You need to learn to differentiate between smearing someone and reporting news stories.

If you’re so capable of this, why have I never seen it? Nearly every single one of your posts are dumbass, fact-free little nuggets, intended to insult and degrade. I posted about Chuck Todd’s thesis and the fact that not one person attempted to factually contradict the substance of what he said. Instead, the morons came out in droves to insult Todd, attack his principles and belittle his opinion. If this is what passes for “engagement” over at the GOP now, I’m quite glad I left it all behind. 

Only in your tiny, insular, evil world would that choice be necessary, Michelle-in-Utah. Some of us are pro-life from the time of conception through a natural, blessed death. Others are Cafeteria Christians or just Cultists.

Republicans are just constantly falling on their sword!! Pass the popcorn because this is entertaining to watch.   

When the left is frightened of someone (Perry, Palin, Bachman, Tea Party) they devote alot of their time telling the rest of us how irrelevant that person is.

When the left is frightened of someone (Perry, Palin, Bachman, Tea Party) they devote alot of their time telling the rest of us how irrelevant that person is.

Differentiating for lefties is a no-can-do; sheesh, they think Jon Stewart is a newsman.

I take it you don’t understand the difference between the Peace Prize and prizes for the various disciplines? Are you aware they are even awarded in different cities?

I take it you don’t understand the difference between the Peace Prize and prizes for the various disciplines? Are you aware they are even awarded in different cities?

He’s got a sweet comb-over going for him.

You pinheads didn’t learn from the Carter fiasco, you voted for a Jr. Senator who did nothing other than vote “present” for crying out loud. 

Perhaps, although he is not polling particularly well. Paul is beating him in Texas right now. Even in Texas, people get unhappy when a governor slaps around the teachers and fires and thousands and thousands of him because his own tax reforms failed.

We don’t register by party in Texas, and we can vote in either primary and cross-over at the general election. You can count on the Paulists not supporting Perry in the primary, and you can count on a significant number of cross-overs voting for “Anyone But”. It could be interesting.

If the Krappy Pizza Godfather is on the ballot by next March, I’ll be voting for him. But, not in November.

In fairness, I do think it best for candidates to refrain from Foot Long Corn Dogs and Sausages on a Stick in public. 

JImmy Carter was a great president. You uneducated types always have problems with people that are actually  intelligent. They make you feel like you are, stupid and ignorant. Go ahead moron just tell me how the Republican party is going to help you. PLease enlighten us on how their policies of give aways to the rich are helping you. Tell me how terrible it would be to have universal healthcare. When you lose your house for medical bill payments will you change your mind then? What is wrong with you? Are you really this stupid?  

His opinion shouldn’t matter, since he’s supposed to be a reporter.  Hence my first comment.

Typical liberal loon, all about me me me me.  Whatever happened to the Democrats of the 60′s who “asked not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country”?  Now, get back to your socialist rant, little man.

I have a real name and you don’t. Where’s yours?

MessNBCiaite

Thanks for confirming that the “mainstream” media is keeping you leftists ignorant.

Now go sharpen your Googling skills before you make a wrong turn and end up in the middle of one of these flash mob/race riots.

…and that’s straight from the propaganda at Fox or Rush or Beck or any other reactionary perspective.

I’m not a big fan of Obama, but I want him to win re-election just to hear the wide-spread bricks of shit hitting floors of reactionaries across American that night when he’s declared the winner.

You think that someone as ignorant of the Constitution as Perry has a chance to win the general election?  Newsflash: you can’t be a traitor for printing money. Read the Constitution: it’s very specific. Those words will haunt Perry.

After watching Chuck’s piece about Rick Perry, I realized why Perry is so popular among Reublicans. He’s George Bush AND Dick Cheney all rolled into one candidate.

Okay, Ex. Let’s see if you can do what you so unreasonably demand of the rest of us. Here’s my “thesis”: “Obama would certainly surrender all US territory to the Visigoths if they were around today.”
Now – Factually contradict the substance of that “fact”.
It’s gonna be tricky because A) it’s based purely on the theoretical and B)it’s strictly my OPINION.
However, if you want to fall back on, “That’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard all day,” I might be willing to concede that point. That’s all the contradiction Todd’s “reporting” deserves.
Face it. Chuck Todd is a class-A hack trying to pass opinion off as fact and you defend it by insisting those who disagree counter with fact rather than their own opinion. A sparkling illustration of liberal double standard.
Your use of namecalling (dumbass, morons, etc.) pretty much clinches it. You decry your opponents as what you actually are (a very Alisky-esque tactic). You didn’t leave the GOP because you were never in it. You are liberal through and through. The “that party is so bad I had to leave it ” bit is just a ruse and not even a cleverly executed one.

Got a link showing him in a classroom writing the Alinsky rules on a blackboard. Give me a day and I’ll dig it up and post here. It is his political strategy, there is no doubt. Thanks

“Wingnut” as in not a RINO? Not a candidate that the left approves of? Are you kidding me? Do you think liberals look to the right to give the thumbs-up on Democrat nominees? Hell no. They run the person who reflects their values and fiscal sensibilities (or lack thereof, as the case may be). The right has finally come to terms with that and is finally looking for suitable counters despite the MSM’s attempt to destroy conservative candidates while bolstering Obama and ignoring his glaring shortcomings.
Show me a Republican candidate of whom you would approve. I’m reasonably sure I wouldn’t share your opinion. But then your opinion. like Chuck Todd’s, is somehow magically fact since you’re a big lib, correct?

Many years ago, Chuck may have been a watch-dog rather than the lap-dog he is today.

Are all libs this ignorant? This isn’t an argument. Do you believe everyone has an education as lacking and shallow as yours? Absolute moron.
Argumentum ad hominem, that is the attempt to link the validity of an argument to the reputation (broadly speaking) of the person or the people who support it. Wiki

Your comment speaks for itself. ????

I’ve seen your posts. Did you and star Jones go to school together. Law school Hahaha…. Absolute moron.

“How can you refute an opinion”?!
Are you joking?

Here’s an opinion: Obama thinks universal health care is good for America. Care to refute that? 

Again you don’t even have the ability to answer questions? That is what is wrong with you idiot TeaTards. My paragraph above is all about you. It’s about you losing your home. It’s about your loved ones not getting insurance for preexisting conditions. It’s about you losing your social security. It’s about you losing your unemployment when you lose your job if you have a job. I wouldn’t hire an idiot like you, let me tell you right now. So tell me, old man what are the Republicans do for you that keeps you in that camp. I know that is a tough question to answer.  

It’s because of arrogant wingnut jerks like you that I left the Republican party. The GOP has nothing to offer the world but stupidity and greed. Good luck with that.

So, you admit that you are ideologically in the tank for Obama despite the fact you know he’s not a good president. That’s called hypocrisy Vicky and you can’t just go off willy-nilly by saying such a thing when you constantly play the race card.

Yours already did and did and did.

Exgoper 9 hours ago in reply to Michelle

Gee — a close-minded teatard who can’t hear or engage an
opposing viewpoint with a reasoned argument. What a shock!

Ex. It’s ironic that the above crude, immature, and ill-thought out statement to Michelle drew my attention to you in the first place. Seems like it applies more to you than to nearly anybody else on this thread. To be called arrogant, wingnut, and jerk by someone like you would be quite the badge of an honor, but I suspect you lead off with a variation of one or more of those instead of “hello” when you meet anyone with an opinion differing your own. You’re just not making me feel all that special.

If I believed for a second that you ever were actually a member of the Republican party (which I don’t), I think I could speak for all conservatives when I say, “Good riddance and don’t let the tent flap hit you in the ass on the way out.”

A buffoon and a monster in one? That IS unique.

I don’t think there’s much here about the irrelevance of Perry, Palin, Bachmann, and the TPers, just their unfitness to have any involvement with governing anything.

They’ll sure as hell be relevant if they get any closer to power than they already are (minimal in Palin’s case, terrifying — if you’re a Texan like me — in Perry’s case). In that case, I’d say survival shelters are going to be a growth industry.

Your posts are like someone set off an M80 in a box of Play-doh. Get a grip, man!

Actually it’s the wingnutariat (and especially the underbelly specimen that inhabits the lower levels of Mediaite) that insists that Stewart is a newsman. Lefties realize, just as Stewart does, that politics must be laughed at lest we break into tears.

Even those who respect Obama intrinsically also look forward to the slavering dogs who have attacked him ceaselessly since 2008 getting their comeuppance. The two notions are not mutually exclusive.

I disagree with much that Obama has done (although I’m pretty sure that my list is entirely different than yours), but I’m not foolish enough to pretend that any one of the losers, lightweights, and loons running for the Republican nomination would be anything but an absolute disaster if elected.

OK, can you give me the numbers for the next PowerBall draw? We should put your precognition to actual use.

In the real world, grownups are expected to appreciate nuance.

“Nine out of ten of my constituents oppose the bill. I’d better find out why.” “Nine out of ten of my fellow congressmen favor the bill. It’s probably worth looking at.”

Or, even: ”the KKK loves this idea. It’s a pretty fair bet that I won’t.”

Your reading comprehension is at the elementary school level, as are your sleazy, ad hominem attacks on me.

I point out that you’re a racist to give readers insight about where you’re coming from, Mr. Reactionary Racist: you are a racist for referring to Obama as “your boy.” He, like George Bush, is our president. Calling a black man “boy” is an idiom of racist culture.

Where did I write that I’m voting for Obama? I didn’t, and I’m not. I’m not ideologically “in the tank for Obama.”  I want him to win to see the reactionaries like you shit bricks.  He will be the lesser of two evils in 2012 unless the R’s nominate a progressive candidate for president.

Tell us cowardly sock-puppet, how childishly calling me “Vicky” is honest in any way.

Even morons can see that you’re a childish liar, and your reading comprehension is no more advanced than your elementary school, playground bully tactics.

Get out!

I’m sure my list of complaints against Obama is different from yours too, but I appreciate your insight, that so far Obama would be the lesser of two evils.

There is a movement afoot on Facebook to primary Obama, but it will likely fizzle since he has such a massive war chest. Many on the left will be voting for the Green candidate for President.

Evidently so. Stupidity or ignorance is essential when you oppose your own self-interest as pro-plutocracy Republicans do.

Unfit in your opinion.

Keep deluding yourself.  The lefties get their political viewpoints from the likes of Steward and that lecher Bill Maher.

26% of people in this country agree with Obama’s economic policy. Nice how you worked KKK in, you racist puke. Nuance this ( @@ )

I was living in Texas during the last Gubernatorial-primary race. My choices were Kay Bailey Hutchison, or Perry. It was one of those hold your nose and vote moments.

Four years ago Perry would have been laughed out of the GOP primary?  I see, instead the RINO genius insiders decided to run that charismatic and electrifying campaigner John McCain.  What are we to make of this brilliant and insightful analysis?  

Talk about mutually exclusive. Being in the tank for Obama despite the fact you dislike him or his policies is intellectually disingenuous.

I would give anything for a Clinton, or a Kennedy, Truman, or an FDR at this point. In fact, I would rather have just about any democrat except Carter or Wilson in place of Obama if I had to pick a democrat.

Yep.

Thanks for informing me where I get my political viewpoints. Without your help I never would have known.

Obama is imperfect and I disagree with some of what he’s done, but he’s clearly head and shoulders above any of his likely challengers. What’s disigenuous about that?

Only maybe. The Republican nominee — just based on probability at this point — is likely to be bull goose looney, and those who are more disappointed in Obama than I am will, I hope, get over that disappointment rather than hand the government to the crazies.

Or stay home, which could be disastrous.

Dimwit.

But you’re right about Obama’s poll numbers, particularly lately: they’re low, they’re emotion-driven (evidenced by your apparently clever emoticon which I can’t make out at all), and not necessarily based on fact. If he can’t pull them up — or the Republicans nominate a sane adult to run against him — he may well lose.

Is this an argument or an ad hominem attack attached to a bogus emotional plea. Comical at best. “Sane adult”? You wouldn’t know one if he fell out of the sky and landed on your head. Obama and the welfare state are through.

Is this an argument or an ad hominem attack attached to a bogus emotional plea. Comical at best. “Sane adult”? You wouldn’t know one if he fell out of the sky and landed on your head. Obama and the welfare state are through.

You’re welcome.  You come across like you need all the help you can get.

Teddy Roosevelt was a very interesting person in the US history. He was a Republican and formed the Progressive Party in 1912. The party came to be known as Bull Mosse Party after an assination attempt on Teddy Roosevelt, when he boasted ‘I am fit as a bull Moose’
People like me know history better, because I was born in India, and became a US citizen for my love of this country. You should Google Roosevelt Progressive Party 1912 Wikipedia.

Yo Chucky boy, would that laughing be something like how we all laugh our collective asses off at you goofballs over on LSDnbc? Laughter is good, Chucky. Just watch PMSnbc sometime and you too will laugh your ass off.

To all who comment here:

Beware of disagreeing with or commenting to Victor Tiffany. He has a nasty temper when confronted with his lies. I have documented his comments to me earlier on another forum; a portion of his post appears below:

Victor said:”I will not stop attacking you; this is about you.
Rhetorically speaking, when s/he spits in my face, I kick him/her in the balls/twat. When s/he punches me in the face, I slit his/her throat. When s/he pulls a knife, I pull the trigger and splatter his/her brains across the entire width of a dime. (Not much to spread.)
If you can’t take the heat, Dillweed, get out of the kitchen.”

Let’s be careful out there….