I agree Ms. Palin is not Presidential material, but I also wish celebrities of all stripes would keep their political opinions to themselves.

The headline makes it sound like Adkins hates her, which is not the case, a low blow in my opinion. She’s not Presidential material yet, maybe in 2020, who knows. I admire her very much, but she is nowhere near ready now. I don’t see her getting the nomination if she does run.

I like Sarah Palin, but I don’t want her to run for President either. I’m happy with how effective she is now with spreading the Conservative message. The Left tried to marginalize her but it only made her more prominent, which is another sign of many that the beating in November is going to be severe.

Palin has lots of time to get prepared. All the left-wing comedians made fun of Reagan too. Gov. Ed Brown tried to make him a joke. He wasn’t laughing after Reagan crushed him.
I think Palin knows what her problem is and she will be working on it. It only takes one debate to change the mind of the electorate about how smart and competent she is. Once Reagan wiped out Carter in the debate it was all over.

captured the general attitude of the movement as eloquently as anyone has so far: “they don’t want their conservative leaders to reach across the aisle and work with the other party; they want them to leer across the aisle and give them the finger.”

Very eloquent
let’s push those Conservative Christian Values

I believe Iran has a solution to get people how not to
reach across the aisle and work with the other party

Big Eddie prefers to get political advice from Boxcar Willie or Slim Whitman .

gordonbloyershow said:
It only takes one debate to change the mind of the electorate about how smart and competent she is.

Say it ain’t so Joe

Uhm, shut up and sing comes to mind…

Why Palin won’t run?Mitt Romney.He has ton’s of money,a cadre of top advisers,a rep as a pretty smart guy,a burning ambition to be President and this would be his last shot.And Romney and his team has already fired the first shot across the bow saying Palin could not handle the intense pressure and scrutiny of a GOP primary campaign.And Romney will have no choice but to keep exposing Palin as the fucking idiot the 70% of us already know if on the slim chance she tries to run.

no-touchy-touchy said:
captured the general attitude of the movement as eloquently as anyone has so far: “they don’t want their conservative leaders to reach across the aisle and work with the other party; they want them to leer across the aisle and give them the finger.”

Well that’s what the left has done for the last 9 years so you should be all for it…no?

Everything I know of civility I learned from the left and now it chafes you.

Get used to it, you’ll be wandering the wilderness a good long time lefties.

gordonbloyershow said:
Palin has lots of time to get prepared. All the left-wing comedians made fun of Reagan too. Gov. Ed Brown tried to make him a joke. He wasn’t laughing after Reagan crushed him.
I think Palin knows what her problem is and she will be working on it. It only takes one debate to change the mind of the electorate about how smart and competent she is. Once Reagan wiped out Carter in the debate it was all over.

Sadly, Gordo, palin has demonstrated her debate skills already.

Oh OH Burn his albums. Ban him from the airways. BLASPHEMY!!! BLASPHEMY!!

gordonbloyershow said:
Palin has lots of time to get prepared. All the left-wing comedians made fun of Reagan too. Gov. Ed Brown tried to make him a joke. He wasn’t laughing after Reagan crushed him.
I think Palin knows what her problem is and she will be working on it. It only takes one debate to change the mind of the electorate about how smart and competent she is. Once Reagan wiped out Carter in the debate it was all over.

I think you make a good point Gordon. She just wasn’t prepared when she got the call for VP and that wasn’t he fault. It seems she wouldn’t listen to her handlers , although I don’t really know. She does have time to get prepared if she’s wise enough to listen and learn.

I wouldn’t consider voting for her at this point but we’ll see if she’s got the stuff to run.

Agree she is better as the honest broker for the Conservatives. That said I really was wondering what ole Trace thought about her chances > Trace just sing the songs.

There you go again, (insert any lib name) no touchy. This movement is all about fiscal and personal accountability and isn’t a social values movement, unless of course you don’t like the constitution.

Patrick Henry said:
The headline makes it sound like Adkins hates her, which is not the case, a low blow in my opinion. She’s not Presidential material yet, maybe in 2020, who knows. I admire her very much, but she is nowhere near ready now. I don’t see her getting the nomination if she does run.

Patrick Henry, you and I have had intelligent conversations on this website, and I believe have respected each other. However, I do not understand how you can admire Ms. Palin so much. She actually quit as governor of her state. If anyone else had done that, (s)he would be ostracized. Please explain to me.

The way the media savages Palin now, it would become unimaginable if she were to run. I like her, but the deck is already stacked against her.

Not Your Typical New Yorker said:

Let’s all take the high road

I thought the idea of the tea party was to change things
sounds more like gridlock for 1 more reason

Alamo, though you didn’t ask me I think I’ll chime in. In my opinion I think it is a twofold answer. First I think the lefts plan of filing frivilous lawsuit after lawsuit in Alaska was going to make it nearly impossible to govern effectively. I think the other reason was financial. She wasn’t what anyone would call rich, which is why the left figured the lawsuit route would be effective by damaging her financially. She is also very popular and is now reaping the rewards of that with her news and speech gigs. I think the combination was a major factor so the lawsuit tactic ended up blowing up in the Alaskan left’s face

Not Your Typical New Yorker said:
Well that’s what the left has done for the last 9 years so you should be all for it…no?

Everything I know of civility I learned from the left and now it chafes you.

Get used to it, you’ll be wandering the wilderness a good long time lefties.

Let’s all take the high road

I thought the idea of the tea party was to change things
sounds more like gridlock for 1 more reason

im a lifelong dem…but the stoopid hatefulness of the lemming like press corps and their constant attempts to use ANYTHING to ridicule palin and now odonnell sure as hell make me want to vote FOR these people just to spite these spite filled hacks like the “author” of this oh so important post…

alamo2 said:
Patrick Henry, you and I have had intelligent conversations on this website, and I believe have respected each other. However, I do not understand how you can admire Ms. Palin so much. She actually quit as governor of her state. If anyone else had done that, (s)he would be ostracized. Please explain to me.

Good morning, Alamo. I suppos her leaving the position wasn’t a good move, but I don’t see it as that big of a deal. It wasn’t like she had to leave because of a lack of ethics or Alaska would be in dire straits (one of my favorite bands) if she left. I guess it does show a lack of loyalty to the citizens of Alaska who voted for her. I admire her conservative values and willingness to take it to those who oppose her. I wish she were more politically savvy. I was astounded by the Couric interview when she could not name a magazine or newspaper that she reads. That did not look good at all, regardless of what anyone might say.

What next AC? Have a wrestler weigh in?

But AC, you forgot to ask him how to save the economy, put people back to work, to handle NKorea and Iran, to solve the illegal immigration mess and how to address terrorism.

Trace said that, and Bill Mahar said this:

“Isn’t Obama’s big problem is that he does everything half-assed? Maybe it’s because he’s only half black.”

But Mahar’s comment isn’t a headline here….funny that, eh?

Bill also said he wished Obama could be more like a ‘real’ black man. The kind who carry guns and get violent. When you’re on the left, you can say stuff like that.

“A few years ago, he (Obama) would be serving us coffee.” — Bill Clinton

” He (Obama) doesn’t sound like a Negro unless he wants to.” Senator Harry Reid

“He ( Obama) couldn’t sell watermelons to….” Dan Rather

“See, Barack’s been talking down to black people … I want to cut his nuts off.” Jesse Jackson

Bill Maher on how he expected BHO to act with BP: “I was expecting a “real black president”– you know, the kind that “lifts up his shirt so they can see the gun in his pants.”

“Isn’t Obama’s big problem is that he does everything half-assed? Maybe it’s because he’s only half black.”

RATIGAN: And Obama didn’t do it, when it came down to it, when the Wall Street guys got across the table from him and said “Oh you going to change our tax code little boy?” I think not…. If its Teddy Roosevelt in office who is not intimated by these types of people he might say “Listen. I don’t care who you are, I don’t care how rich you are, its not going to happen.” But with this guy (Obama), he just bends over every time.
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Dylan, you’re very- Oh, my God!
SCARBOROUGH: You know, I was so uncomfortable with a couple of the things you said and then the exclamation point at the end.
RATIGAN: It’s unbelievable to me. I’m not trying to offend.

The 2012 Republican primary will be fascinating to watch. Would not be surprised to see the emerging tension between factions on the right convert into a complete split. Reasonable Republicans will no doubt refuse to have her and Tea Party folks will consider it a divine mission to march her to Pennsylvania Avenue. By then, Rove will be push polling Palin and she will be attacking the Republican leadership…

Governor Palin you quit your job in mid term of a small state of less than a million people.Now you want to be president of the entire country of over 300 million? What job has more pressure?And why did you lie about the financial burdens of the lawsuit when it was state paid lawyers that handled the bulk of the legal work? Why did you have to attend 5-6 colleges to finally get a BA in journalism?And now lets play back all your stupid comments you made as a Fox Pundit and do you agree with Glenn Beck that Obama is a racist?And what specific legislation would you propose for the economy?Answer.. I have no idea because I’m stupid.

Greg said:
Tea Party folks will consider it a divine mission to march her to Pennsylvania Avenue.

Greg, you’re right, it will be fascinating to watch. I know of many Tea Partiers that don’t think she is ready….yet. Honestly, I have no one in mind right now who I would absolutely vote for. I’m just waiting to see who runs.

chucken, Beck said Obama is racist because he spent twenty years going to a racist church. And his pastor of twenty years is best friends with an avowed racist. And said church, during the campaign, featured Father Pfleger as a guest speaker, and he referred mockingly to Hillary Clinton as ‘that white woman’. So while Beck may or may not be right, I can see where he got the idea.

Now, who is Trace Adkins? oh, one of the hundreds of sort of famous country & western stars.
So, instead of Jon Stewart and Joy Behar and Jay Leno being our teachers of intellectual wisdom on politics, we are now looking to pretend cowboy musicians for our advice.
I think I will now change my whole thinking of the last few years about Sarah Palin. Forget her speeches, her articles, her work for the Conservative movement.
Since Trace is one of the world’s leading experts on politics and knows Sarah personally, having been around her almost every day for the last 10 years and during that time has seen how she governs and knows exactly how she thinks and has engaged in long, deep and ongoing conversations with her about a lot of things….
yes, I think I will depend on Trace for my opinion of Sarah Palin. Yessiree.
By the way, since I am the world’s leading expert on country music, Trace, I would drop the phony cowboy hat, I don’t think real cowboys wear black leather, only the YMCA types… you know, the boys who go to the boys dance clubs. And, since I have read that you don’t even know how to ride a horse, it just doesn’t read true. Also, I understand that wearing a cowboy hat all the time will cause you to go bald… whoops… you are already? Yikes.

hey chucken….here did you go to college? what were your SATs?…since you like looking down on others…lets see how “brainy” you are…

(me: Columbia -1370)

Patrick Henry said:
Good morning, Alamo. I suppos her leaving the position wasn’t a good move, but I don’t see it as that big of a deal. It wasn’t like she had to leave because of a lack of ethics or Alaska would be in dire straits (one of my favorite bands) if she left. I guess it does show a lack of loyalty to the citizens of Alaska who voted for her. I admire her conservative values and willingness to take it to those who oppose her. I wish she were more politically savvy. I was astounded by the Couric interview when she could not name a magazine or newspaper that she reads. That did not look good at all, regardless of what anyone might say.

Thanks for your incisive comments, Patrick Henry. I would cut Sarah Palin slack on the Couric interview, because there are times when your brain just locks on some things. Not being able to mention a magazine or newspaper is no big deal. But (and this is for Musiccityvic, as well) I do feel that resigning as governor of your state, in essence, blindsiding your constituents and your party, is a terrible thing. I can understand that if the reason is one of health, but very little else. It is obvious that she did it for the money. Now, everyone loves money, but for God’s sake, wait two years. She would still have been popular. Quitting for such a reason is downright unpatriotic, and selfish.

writer said:
chucken, Beck said Obama is racist because he spent twenty years going to a racist church. And his pastor of twenty years is best friends with an avowed racist. And said church, during the campaign, featured Father Pfleger as a guest speaker, and he referred mockingly to Hillary Clinton as ‘that white woman’. So while Beck may or may not be right, I can see where he got the idea.

How was Trinity United a “racist” church? How is Jeremiah Wright an “avowed racist?” Was Father Pfleger factually incorrect in calling Hillary Clinton a white woman?

Answer the questions tough guy.

–Cobra

Cobra said:
Was Father Pfleger factually incorrect in calling Hillary Clinton a white woman?

Am I factually correct in calling BHO the most ineffective black president ever?

Patrick Henry said:
Greg, you’re right, it will be fascinating to watch. I know of many Tea Partiers that don’t think she is ready….yet. Honestly, I have no one in mind right now who I would absolutely vote for. I’m just waiting to see who runs.

I don’t know either, but watching Tea Partiers show almost religious devotion to Christine O’Donnell in Delaware makes me believe that there’s a large group of people in this country that really don’t care WHO the candidate is…as long as somebody they like vouches for that person.

–Cobra

Okay, Cobra. So if Obama’s opponents repeatedly referred to him as ‘that black guy’, you’d have no problem with it? And I didn’t say Wright was the avowed racist. I said he’s best friends with an avowed racist. (Louis Farrakhan. He of the ‘all whites are blue eyed devils’ fame. He of the ‘Hitler was a great guy’ quotes.) But Cobra, I already know you bend over backwards to deny black racism. Carry on.

philipjames said:
Now, who is Trace Adkins? oh, one of the hundreds of sort of famous country & western stars.So, instead of Jon Stewart and Joy Behar and Jay Leno being our teachers of intellectual wisdom on politics, we are now looking to pretend cowboy musicians for our advice.I think I will now change my whole thinking of the last few years about Sarah Palin. Forget her speeches, her articles, her work for the Conservative movement.Since Trace is one of the world’s leading experts on politics and knows Sarah personally, having been around her almost every day for the last 10 years and during that time has seen how she governs and knows exactly how she thinks and has engaged in long, deep and ongoing conversations with her about a lot of things….yes, I think I will depend on Trace for my opinion of Sarah Palin. Yessiree.By the way, since I am the world’s leading expert on country music, Trace, I would drop the phony cowboy hat, I don’t think real cowboys wear black leather, only the YMCA types… you know, the boys who go to the boys dance clubs. And, since I have read that you don’t even know how to ride a horse, it just doesn’t read true. Also, I understand that wearing a cowboy hat all the time will cause you to go bald… whoops… you are already? Yikes.

Trying to make this cw singer out as an idiot with a childish diatribe would be like me belittling any of the other cw singers for their pro tea party comments. Or it would be akin to belittling any of the commenters on this website. The cw singer was expressing his opinion. No one said he was an expert. Just like no one said that any of us were experts…. Try to analyze the cw singer’s comments, instead of belittling….

To the Left, everything they disagree with is treated as the punchline to a joke. The tea party attendees want fiscally responsible government. Ha, ha, ha! The town hall meeting participants don’t want to borrow trillions of dollars from the Chinese for broken entitlements? Chuckle, chuckle! People are asking for accountability from their elected official. Guffaw, guffaw!

This scorn and arrogance is already backfiring, and is a major reason why so many Democrats will lose their jobs after the November elections.

Patrick Henry said:
Greg, you’re right, it will be fascinating to watch. I know of many Tea Partiers that don’t think she is ready….yet. Honestly, I have no one in mind right now who I would absolutely vote for. I’m just waiting to see who runs.

Patrick,

Your right, I overstated a bit. I do doubt that many mainstream Republicans are excited by her. It seems her greatest support comes from the Tea Party and some among that movement have demonstrated true passion for her.

felixw said:
To the Left, everything they disagree with is treated as the punchline to a joke. The tea party attendees want fiscally responsible government. Ha, ha, ha! The town hall meeting participants don’t want to borrow trillions of dollars from the Chinese for broken entitlements? Chuckle, chuckle! People are asking for accountability from their elected official. Guffaw, guffaw! This scorn and arrogance is already backfiring, and is a major reason why so many Democrats will lose their jobs after the November elections.

Your argument makes little sense. You put the ha-ha, and the chuckle, and the guffaw, after serious beliefs, not after what people are really guffawing about (which are the strange comments by contenders like Angle and others). You make a strawman argument, which intellectually dishonest.

Alamo,

Good push back on Phillipjames… I think we can convert this public sphere into a productive place with the standards you outlined…

Thanks Greg! I really would like to have a good discussion on the topic at hand, no matter what the topic. I really wish the fringe right and left would stop the insults. I have gotten caught up in it at times (usually with Gordon), but we should not do it. Insults add nothing to the discussion. You learn nothing from them, except anger and frustration.

alamo, since I like to see what both sides are saying, I occasionally watch MSNBC. Don’t know if everyone on the left does it, but if Olbermann and Maddow are representative, then felix is right. Any mention of the tea party is done with sneering arrogance, and issues such as being concerned with high taxes or big government are routinely mocked.

UNreasonable lib says:

Sadly, Gordo, palin has demonstrated her debate skills already.

Yeah, I remember the Biden debate. He was supposed to CRUSH her and if anything it was a tie, some even saying she one. Way to rewrite history though!!

This thread is hilarious. “I really like Sarah but she’s just not ready yet” is code for “She may be retarded, but she’s our retard.”

I guarantee that all you dupes thought George W Bush was “ready” despite all his early signs of being developmentally challenged, so revealing that you think Sarah doesn’t even reach his level says a lot about what you truly think about her.

If she can’t even match GWB’s 2nd-grade mentality, you must think she’s really fucking stupid.

RUN SARAH RUN!!!!!!

What an adorable Chocker he’s wearing? Hmmmm.

Is that now the fashion in Nashville?

Did he get it at banana republic? It looks almost identical
http://bananarepublic.gap.com/browse/product.do?pid=310038002&tid=brfr1r

was a gift from Cooper? Inquiring minds want to know. LOL

This thread is hilarious. “I really like Sarah but she’s just not ready yet” is code for “She may be retarded, but she’s our retard.”

Classy

alamo2 said:
Your argument makes little sense. You put the ha-ha, and the chuckle, and the guffaw, after serious beliefs, not after what people are really guffawing about (which are the strange comments by contenders like Angle and others). You make a strawman argument, which intellectually dishonest.

Alamo, sure these are serious issues. And the liberals in the mainstream media refuse to enter into dialogue on any of them. Compare the number of stories in the media about tea party demands for government accountability (namely no stories on that subject), with the scorn, ridicule, and insults (highlighted every night on the mainstream media).

This is, of course, not surprising — it is the modus operandi of the American left nowadays. They think it’s dangerous to debate issues and much smarter just to ridicule their opponents. That’s why buffoons like Stewart, Colbert, Olbermann are the leaders of their movement, and none of them ever debate issues with conservatives. But voters won’t be fooled by this. Our country is in the midst of a terrible decline — one accentuated by gross political mismanagement, out-of-control spending and rampant corruption. Just laughing and insulting people who want responsible government will prove to be a huge mistake for the Democrats and their fellow travelers.

Just wait and see.

“they don’t want their conservative leaders to reach across the aisle and work with the other party; they want them to leer across the aisle and give them the finger.”

THIS is the neo-con Tea Party movement in a nutshell. I have ZERO respect for those who carry the “my way or the highway” attitude into a political fight. McCain, once revered for reaching across the aisle, is now reviled by his own base for the same reason. Conservatives want to beat liberals into a bloody pulp and when we fight back, go running to the refuge of their victim complexes. If freaking Trace Adkins can figure this out well enough to articulate it on CNN, you better believe the majority of the rest of the country is figuring it out, too. It’s selfish and petty and short-sighted, and it will end, one way or another. We all better start praying it ends peacefully.

felixw said:
To the Left, everything they disagree with is treated as the punchline to a joke. The tea party attendees want fiscally responsible government. Ha, ha, ha! The town hall meeting participants don’t want to borrow trillions of dollars from the Chinese for broken entitlements? Chuckle, chuckle! People are asking for accountability from their elected official. Guffaw, guffaw! This scorn and arrogance is already backfiring, and is a major reason why so many Democrats will lose their jobs after the November elections.

hes dead right…these people dont get that this kind of ridicule pisses off those “bitter clingers” and is why MY dem party will lose BOTH the house and the senate.

and btw, ‘writer” is 100% correct once again…

notsofast said:
But AC, you forgot to ask him how to save the economy, put people back to work, to handle NKorea and Iran, to solve the illegal immigration mess and how to address terrorism.

absolutely, Trace would be a better one to ask than Palin

alamo2 said:
Quitting for such a reason is downright unpatriotic, and selfish.

Point taken, Alamo. I can see your reasoning on that.

Paul Westlake said:
they don’t want their conservative leaders to reach across the aisle and work with the other party; they want them to leer across the aisle and give them the finger.”

Yes, we have seen how the dems reach across the aisle- just a few weeks ago, BHO had his first private meeting with the House Minority Leader and he has yet to meet privately with the Senate Minority Leader.

no-touchy-touchy said:
absolutely, Trace would be a better one to ask than Palin

In your world, I sure a CW singer is King!

felixw said:
Our country is in the midst of a terrible decline — one accentuated by gross political mismanagement, out-of-control spending and rampant corruption. Just laughing and insulting people who want responsible government will prove to be a huge mistake for the Democrats and their fellow travelers.

All that gross political mismanagement, out-of-control spending and rampant corruption were occurring during the Bush administration, so tell me, where was the Tea Party then?

Oh right, they were cheerleading the gross political mismanagement, out-of-control spending and rampant corruption, and continuing to vote for the people perpetrating it.

This is why the Tea Party and their supposed principles are a fucking joke. They only give a shit about fiscal responsibility when its Democrats dishing out cash to pander to their base. When it was Republicans doing the EXACT SAME THING, Tea Partiers picked up their pom poms and cheered.

MediaWhore said:
MediaWhore says:
September 18, 2010 at 12:42 pm MediaWhore(Quote)

You really need to go back to your coma. You made more sense then.

MediaWhore said:
MediaWhore says:
September 18, 2010 at 12:42 pm MediaWhore(Quote)

All the gross political mismanagement, out-of-control spending and rampant corruption that are now occurring during the BHO administration, tell me, where are the Democrats??

Oh right, they were cheer-leading the gross political mismanagement, out-of-control spending and rampant corruption, and continuing to vote for the people perpetrating it.

It’s pretty ironic: one dumb redneck calling out another dumb redneck.

Cobra said:
I don’t know either, but watching Tea Partiers show almost religious devotion to Christine O’Donnell in Delaware makes me believe that there’s a large group of people in this country that really don’t care WHO the candidate is…as long as somebody they like vouches for that person.

–Cobra

Cobra, as far as O’Donnell goes, she has voiced fiscally conservative views and that’s all we have to go on right now. If she is elected and goes back on that, conservatives will drop her in a flash. I think that goes for all of the Tea Party candidates. I would be willing to take a chance on her given that I know what Castle or Coons would do.

notsofast said:
Am I factually correct in calling BHO the most ineffective black president ever?

Considering there are no other Black presidents to compare him too?

He’s actually one of the most EFFECTIVE Presidents ever. Don’t take my word for it.

“Historians say President Obama’s legislative record during a crisis-ridden presidency already puts him in a league with such consequential presidents as Lyndon Johnson and Franklin Roosevelt. But polls show voters aren’t totally on board with his achievements, at least not yet, and the White House acknowledges that his victories have carried huge financial and political costs.

“Even if he wasn’t African-American, he’d have a considerable entry in the history books,” says Princeton professor Fred Greenstein, author of The Presidential Difference: Leadership Style from FDR to Barack Obama.”

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-05-11-obama-big-achievements_N.html

Yeah, I know. You don’t AGREE with this President and his agenda, so his achievements don’t count.
Don’t worry Notsofast…there’s a candidate addressing the Tea Party who’s getting thousands of calls for support coming who’s right up your alley:

http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/elections/142005-david-duke-2012-a.html

–Cobra

MediaWhore said:
All that gross political mismanagement, out-of-control spending and rampant corruption were occurring during the Bush administration, so tell me, where was the Tea Party then?

Oh right, they were cheerleading the gross political mismanagement, out-of-control spending and rampant corruption, and continuing to vote for the people perpetrating it.

This is why the Tea Party and their supposed principles are a fucking joke. They only give a shit about fiscal responsibility when its Democrats dishing out cash to pander to their base. When it was Republicans doing the EXACT SAME THING, Tea Partiers picked up their pom poms and cheered.

You make no sense. Do you even read the newspapers? Have you noticed that the tea party members are also battling the Republican establishment? Or do you stop after you read your horoscope and Doonesbury? I know you lefties spin and spin all day long. But you will find it very difficult to play this tired Bush rant against the tea party — since it makes no sense whatsoever. Hey, but keep on trying. Why don’t you play the race card next?

If Palin had quit and left Alaska without a governor some of you might have a point. She left Alaska with a republican governor that was just like her. What is the problem. If Obama quit his friends wouldn’t be too happy because Biden is a bigger dummy than Barry.

Cobra said:
Considering there are no other Black presidents to compare him too?

He’s actually one of the most EFFECTIVE Presidents ever. Don’t take my word for it.

No, no, no, Cobra! Of all of our Presidents, he is the most ineffective and he is black- that is a fact!- Your logic!

Effective?

LOL

Record # of people in poverty.
Record # of people on welfare.
Record # of people in foreclosure.
Record # of job losses in 2009.

Yeah, he has been quite effective.

Cobra said:
Cobra says:
September 18, 2010 at 12:50 pm Cobra(Quote)

BTW, thanks for playing your race-card again. You must have gotten a new deck, you pitiful racist!

So the tea party is actually nothing but Republicans, and at the same time they’re running against Republicans and will bring down the party. Amazing!

MediaWhore said:
This thread is hilarious. “I really like Sarah but she’s just not ready yet” is code for “She may be retarded, but she’s our retard.”

There you go with your insults again. I think Palin is very bright, just not ready to be President.

MediaWhore said:
I guarantee that all you dupes thought George W Bush was “ready” despite all his early signs of being developmentally challenged, so revealing that you think Sarah doesn’t even reach his level says a lot about what you truly think about her.
If she can’t even match GWB’s 2nd-grade mentality, you must think she’s really fucking stupid.

I thought President Bush was ready and he was. Also, he has a B.A. from Yale and an MBA from Harvard, so the comment about his 2nd grade mentality is frivolous. Do you actually think you are more intelligent than W?

Trying to make this cw singer out as an idiot with a childish diatribe would be like me belittling any of the other cw singers for their pro tea party comments. Or it would be akin to belittling any of the commenters on this website. The cw singer was expressing his opinion. No one said he was an expert. Just like no one said that any of us were experts…. Try to analyze the cw singer’s comments, instead of belittling….

I agree Alamo. You can go to a ton of websites and its nothing but name calling and insults. Let’s face it our nation is in trouble and we all (libs, conservatives, libertarians, moderates, etc.) are Americans. We are going to disagree on a lot of issues but we have to find a way to work together to find common ground. I’m learning that Ivy League “elites” (D or R) who insult God-fearing Americans as Bible-thumping, Tea Party, gun toting white Christian rednecks are no better than individuals accusing others of being Hitler, whether it’s Bush or Obama. It’s intellectually lazy and serves on purpose, IMHO

Hey Cobra, do you agree with this statement from Bill Maher:

“Isn’t Obama’s big problem is that he does everything half-assed? Maybe it’s because he’s only half black. You know? It’s that, if he was a, if this, if he was fully black, I’m telling you, he would be a better president.“

alamo2 said:
Patrick Henry said:
Good morning, Alamo. I suppos her leaving the position wasn’t a good move, but I don’t see it as that big of a deal. It wasn’t like she had to leave because of a lack of ethics or Alaska would be in dire straits (one of my favorite bands) if she left. I guess it does show a lack of loyalty to the citizens of Alaska who voted for her. I admire her conservative values and willingness to take it to those who oppose her. I wish she were more politically savvy. I was astounded by the Couric interview when she could not name a magazine or newspaper that she reads. That did not look good at all, regardless of what anyone might say.

Thanks for your incisive comments, Patrick Henry. I would cut Sarah Palin slack on the Couric interview, because there are times when your brain just locks on some things. Not being able to mention a magazine or newspaper is no big deal. But (and this is for Musiccityvic, as well) I do feel that resigning as governor of your state, in essence, blindsiding your constituents and your party, is a terrible thing. I can understand that if the reason is one of health, but very little else. It is obvious that she did it for the money. Now, everyone loves money, but for God’s sake, wait two years. She would still have been popular. Quitting for such a reason is downright unpatriotic, and selfish.

A worthy topic of discussion and well-toned. I agree that vapor-lock can happen in any interview setting, but not being able to rattle off a single newspaper or magazine wasn’t just vapor lock, it proved she didn’t read anything, imo. I mean, even if a name didn’t pop into her head, she could have said, “the Anchorage paper… oh, darn, Katie, I can’t remember the name right now… I can see the front page, but I can’t remember the name… probably because I just go straight to the news every morning, ya know?” And it would have blown over in less than a day. But trying to say “all of them” and then blaming Katie for the question just proved to me that Sarah lacks the curiosity Americans usually admire, or just the basic cunning of a polished politician. We know politicians lie to us every day and we don’t like it, but at least we want our politicians to lie WELL. ;-)

And I totally agree with Alamo on quitting. I have no beef with admiring her philosophy (even the aspects I disagree with), but there’s something very American about never making promises we can’t keep and living up to the promises we make. I don’t think Sarah exhibits the qualities of thrift, industry, and curiosity that have been the hallmarks of America’s success in the community of nations. It worries me that the GOP is being drawn so far to the right. I don’t like the GOP in charge but I don’t like them extinct either. The 2010 wave may be a strong counterbalance but it’s temporary. Long term, the GOP is in big trouble as the base narrows more and more. And Sarah is only exacerbating that phenomenon as she cashes in. It’s a nice payday for Sarah, and possibly a nice payoff for the GOP in November, but it’s all downhill from there if this is the new normal. Can’t fight the demographics.

MichelleF said:
UNreasonable lib says: Sadly, Gordo, palin has demonstrated her debate skills already. Yeah, I remember the Biden debate. He was supposed to CRUSH her and if anything it was a tie, some even saying she one. Way to rewrite history though!!

You’re right Michelle. Not a single one of the post-debate “Who won?” polls said Biden won, doid they. Wasn’t the average something like 98.6% saying the Drop Out Governor won?

But we see this all the time. There are actually some people who claim that the Mormons slaughtered “Gentile” men, women, children and infants-in arms at Mountain Meadow, instead of the other way around. Will these history rewriters stop at nothing?

Is there some reason I should care what a Hollywood elitist says about the Drop Out Governor? She is one of us.

but there’s something very American about never making promises we can’t keep and living up to the promises we make.

You mean like promising to televise the HC debate and posting all bill online for public viewing before voting on them?

Michelle, I keep telling you. Tell the King you’re a Muslim, and all these insults will stop.

so real royal king…explain to me how the Mountain Meadow MASSACRE was about the mormons being ‘abused”.

i have a graduate degree in amer studies from UT concentrating on the olde west and have read quite a bit about this incident (eh hem…SLAUGHTER) and have NEVER read anyone with ANY credibility say anything like that before….

never.

writer said:
Michelle, I keep telling you. Tell the King you’re a Muslim, and all these insults will stop.

Or tell him you are a minority and the insults will stop.

Writer, I have to admit, Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot’s obsession with the mormon religion is starting to border on the creepy. I think for the most part, people see him for what he is without me having to point out what an idiot he is.

Dsiscokid said:
I agree Alamo. You can go to a ton of websites and its nothing but name calling and insults. Let’s face it our nation is in trouble and we all (libs, conservatives, libertarians, moderates, etc.) are Americans. We are going to disagree on a lot of issues but we have to find a way to work together to find common ground. I’m learning that Ivy League “elites” (D or R) who insult God-fearing Americans as Bible-thumping, Tea Party, gun toting white Christian rednecks are no better than individuals accusing others of being Hitler, whether it’s Bush or Obama. It’s intellectually lazy and serves on purpose, IMHO

You are totally correct. But, unfortunately, nobody seems willing to blink first. You can see the difference between those of us on this board that enjoy hashing out real issues with fact-based reasoning, even though plenty of heated disagreements still arise, and those who are just seizing any opportunity for another snarky zinger. And everyone feels like the aggrieved party right now. It’s understandable that people are frustrated and angry with the incessant decline of the American economy, but the shouting matches prevent us from using our collective experiences and knowledge to gain a clear understanding of the causes. And so we all agree that “things need fixing” but the remedies are never in sync. And the “if-it-bleeds-it-leads” media plays an outsize role, as well, not just in their sensationalism, but also in mindlessly granting “equal time” to all perspectives, which is editorially suspect, actually. You don’t give free air time to the person advocating mass suicide, for instance (remember Heaven’s Gate?), or anything that would be the equivalent of mass suicide if carried out to its logical conclusion – like a preemptive nuclear strike on Iran. In “my” news room, anyone who brings that opinion can go home before they get out of the cab. ;-)

Personal responsibility is a worthy goal that all of us must strive for in ALL the ways we live our lives, including how we speak to and about each other. That being said, I can be one nasty SOB, so I acknowledge my part in this without hesitation. ;-)

Keep the faith. ;-)

yo michelleF – am i reading this guy king backwards – does he hate on the mormons or the reverse (sarcasm on these nets is sometime impossible to tell)

i try not to hold modern day mormons responsible for the church’s past (i RESPECT others religious beliefs even though im simply a deist) but the history of that sad slaughter at mountain meadows is irrefutable…but 100 years ago people had even crazier beliefs (and acted on them) than they do now. (oops forgot about 9/11…my bad!)

my new guess is that hes trying to be “funny” and dismissive of the mormons…

hilarious…

Michelle, just as going to all white private schools made the King an expert on inner city school systems, being a Catholic has made him an expert on Mormonism.

dcmediasux said:
my new guess is that hes trying to be “funny” and dismissive of the mormons…

He hates any religion associated or nearly associated with Christianity ; all other religions are fine with him, especially Islam.

Not that I care what Adkins or any other celebrity has to say, but I agree that Palin cannot win the presidency and that the Tea Party is leaderless.

Why is it that most of the “Big 360 Interviews” are with celebrities? What makes interviews with celebrities that cannot even get their own lives in order “big”? I guess AC feels that the majority of the 360 viewers are as clueless as the ones that watch him on “Regis & Kelly”. Based on what I have seen on his Twitter page and on the AC360 blogs he may be right.

alamo2 said:
Trying to make this cw singer out as an idiot with a childish diatribe would be like me belittling any of the other cw singers for their pro tea party comments. Or it would be akin to belittling any of the commenters on this website. The cw singer was expressing his opinion. No one said he was an expert. Just like no one said that any of us were experts…. Try to analyze the cw singer’s comments, instead of belittling….

When I read comments about Sarah Palin by people who obviously do not know her, have not read anything she has written or listened to her speeches, then of course I can crap on them. where does their opinion of her come from? just out of their a** without any foundation? go and ask any leftie Sarah Palin hater exactly why they dislike her and you will hear them mouth simple statements like “she is against women’s rights” which is a lie or “she is polarizing or controversial”…. oh? as if Obama isn’t to about 65% of America? but I never see that word constantly attached to him… doofus maybe, but not controversial
So, since most of the left gets their political intelligence from comedians, entertainers and far left talking heads I have every right to call them out.

Patrick Henry said:
Cobra, as far as O’Donnell goes, she has voiced fiscally conservative views and that’s all we have to go on right now. If she is elected and goes back on that, conservatives will drop her in a flash. I think that goes for all of the Tea Party candidates. I would be willing to take a chance on her given that I know what Castle or Coons would do.

I respect that answer, Patrick, but if you get elected, you’re a Senator for SIX years, no matter if conservatives “drop you” or not.

notsofast said:
Yes, we have seen how the dems reach across the aisle- just a few weeks ago, BHO had his first private meeting with the House Minority Leader and he has yet to meet privately with the Senate Minority Leader.

You’re insane. Obama appointed two Republicans to his Cabinet (Robert Gates, SecDef, Ray LaHood SecTransportation), and TRIED to appoint Sen. Judd Gregg (R) NH as SecCommerce.

“”Nobody’s got three,” said presidential historian Richard Shenkman. “This is unprecedented.”
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/feb/10/barack-obama/Three-Republicans-Cabinet-Most/

He appeared on live television at the Republican Retreat, and had other roundtables on C-Span with Republicans. And that’s just in front of the cameras.

Turn off FOX NEWS.

–Cobra

dcmediasux said:
so real royal king…explain to me how the Mountain Meadow MASSACRE was about the mormons being ‘abused”. i have a graduate degree in amer studies from UT concentrating on the olde west and have read quite a bit about this incident (eh hem…SLAUGHTER) and have NEVER read anyone with ANY credibility say anything like that before…. never.

It wasn’t. It was about a group of Mormons being greedy and blood-thirsty, and the church covering the facts up. a grand historical conspiracy.

UT? As in Austin. Plan II here! Hook-em. Beat the helkl out of Texas Tech.

First of all, I just have to say that I LOVE Trace Adkins. My first concert was Trace Adkins at the county fair in my hometown 13 years ago and I have seen him twice since, and he never disappoints. I don’t agree with him much politically, but he’s a hell of a guy.

That said, I agree with him here. And I too, like Sarah Palin, but not politically. I doubt she has much of a chance at the Presidency. Which is why I hope she runs, haha.

The King would report on any incidences of Muslims being violent, but he can’t find any.

MichelleF said:
Hey Cobra, do you agree with this statement from Bill Maher: “Isn’t Obama’s big problem is that he does everything half-assed? Maybe it’s because he’s only half black. You know? It’s that, if he was a, if this, if he was fully black, I’m telling you, he would be a better president.“

No I don’t. The Obama Adminstration’s list of accomplishments is impressive and historical. Bill Maher and those of that train of thought aren’t satisfied with simply winning a game; they want a complete game shut out, with the losing team thrown in jail. You just can’t legislate that way.

The problem I have with people on the “professional left” as Robert Gibbs describes them, is that they want instant legislation that’s written with absolutely no compromise with moderates or conservatives, which mirrors the Tea Party fanaticism that demands rigid ideological purity. Nothing in 2010 can be accomplished with that strategy, so the fact that Obama HAS gotten so many things achieved is a testiment to his effectiveness. One may not agree with WHAT he’s accomplished…but to say he HASN’T accomplished anything is the statement of a bald-faced FOOL.

–Cobra

There are two reasons why Barack Obama is President today. It’s because the GOP, in their infinite wisdom, picked the dumb shit Senator from my state and the dumb shit unknown from Alaska. What part of that doesn’t the GOP get? So if the Republicans want to throw in the towel now fine but they would be wasting their time pondering and pandering over Palin for the next two years, Obama will get reelected. Gingrich and Rubio are the team I want to see for the 2012 race, two winners!

I don’t think Palin could win because the left wing media hates her. And if she is truly ‘dumb’, that would come out during the campaign. As it is now, the media is more concerned with how much her clothes cost, or in saying “Hey, she brought her kids out in public! Fair game!”

Dave Templeton said:
Gingrich and Rubio are the team I want to see for the 2012 race, two winners!

You mean Newt “it doesn’t mater what I live, people need to hear my message” Gingrich? Mister “impeach a President for adultery while I’m cheating on my cancer-stricken wife” is a perfect counter to Barack “I’ve had one wife, still do, and we raised two smart girls” Obama… provided the GOP is prepared to jettison any inkling of “personal responsibility” from its platform. ;-)

Methinks the big tent is shrinking. ;-)

notsofast said:
No, no, no, Cobra! Of all of our Presidents, he is the most ineffective and he is black- that is a fact!- Your logic! Effective? LOL Record # of people in poverty.Record # of people on welfare.Record # of people in foreclosure.Record # of job losses in 2009. Yeah, he has been quite effective.

Notsofast,

You’re equating that the financial collapse, subsequent recession and economic consequences that began BEFORE Obama was sworn in on January 19, 2009 is Obama’s fault?

LOL. You’re the Bethany Storro of this blog.

–Cobra

Republicans used the same argument against Ronald Reagan—before he became president.

MichelleF said:
This thread is hilarious. “I really like Sarah but she’s just not ready yet” is code for “She may be retarded, but she’s our retard.”

Classy

Are you a mind reader as a hobby or are is it a career. Thanks Krescan for telling people what they “really mean”

It’s code I tells ya. Do you bend spoons as well?

Cosmos, it’s like when you were differentiating between the terms bigot and racist. We’re merely impressed with some of the verbal gymnastics, not telling you what you ‘meant’.

dcmediasux said:
im a lifelong dem…but the stoopid hatefulness of the lemming like press corps and their constant attempts to use ANYTHING to ridicule palin and now odonnell sure as hell make me want to vote FOR these people just to spite these spite filled hacks like the “author” of this oh so important post…

I agree. I’m not a Palin fan at all, but the obsession with putting everything she says and does under a microscope and trying to interpret meaning , or pointing out every little gaffe is ridiculous. I wouldn’t vote for her, but there’s no need for gratuitous mean spirit.

Cobra said:
I respect that answer, Patrick, but if you get elected, you’re a Senator for SIX years, no matter if conservatives “drop you” or not.

Cobra, you are right, that is a long time if the person turns out bad. As a conservative though, I have to go with the person that at least voices that he/she will vote in a conservative fashion. O”Donnell is certainly not what my perfect candidate would look like, but a much closer match than Castle or Coons.

writer said:
Cosmos, it’s like when you were differentiating between the terms bigot and racist. We’re merely impressed with some of the verbal gymnastics, not telling you what you ‘meant’.

Well no. That’s twice I’ve seen Michelle take someone’s words and misrepresent them because she thinks she knows what they “really mean”

I agree the term racism is being thrown around to freely, I was just looking at the definitions not excusing either one.

notsofast said:
What next AC? Have a wrestler weigh in?

Jesse Ventura, where are you?

The Real Royal King said:
UT? As in Austin. Plan II here! Hook-em. Beat the helkl out of Texas Tech.

Guns up! BTHO tu. For those not from the state of Texas, “guns up” is is not a call to arms for a revolution, just a football slogan for the Texas Tech Red Raiders. :)

Dave Templeton said:
Gingrich and Rubio are the team I want to see for the 2012 race, two winners!

Dave, I’m with you on Rubio, but not so hot on Newt anymore.

Patrick Henry said:
Point taken, Alamo. I can see your reasoning on that.

Thanks for your comment, Patrick. Unfortunately, there are few who agree with you, and certainly do not agree with me! I have gotten thumbs down galore even when attempting a rational discourse. There those on the left and right here who automatically give those on the opposite side a thumbs down, probably without even reading. And that is a shame. It is up to the moderates — the moderate right and the moderate left — to carry on a dialogue, and save this country from the extreme elements. Thanks again.

gordonbloyershow said:
If Palin had quit and left Alaska without a governor some of you might have a point. She left Alaska with a republican governor that was just like her. What is the problem. If Obama quit his friends wouldn’t be too happy because Biden is a bigger dummy than Barry.

Gordon, that argument is illogical. To your way of thinking, any governor could quit, as long as there was someone to replace that person. And the same would hold true for the President. That would be chaos. And please do not make a silly joke about how we would be better off if Obama quit. That is not the point here. The point is: a governor quit, for no good reason, and too many people defend that kind of behavior.

alamo2 said:
And that is a shame. It is up to the moderates — the moderate right and the moderate left — to carry on a dialogue, and save this country from the extreme elements. Thanks again.

Alamo, thank you as well. I enjoy discussing issues with you. I don’t consider myself moderate though. I am strongly in favor of conservative policies, but we all have the right to our opinions and should be able to discuss them without insults and obscenities. We are all Americans and as a nation we’ll all sink or swim together whether we are left, right, or in the middle.

CosmosDan said:
Well no. That’s twice I’ve seen Michelle take someone’s words and misrepresent them because she thinks she knows what they “really mean”

Dan, that wasn’t Michelle F that said that. She was quoting MediaWhore.

Matt Herrick said:
I agree Ms. Palin is not Presidential material, but I also wish celebrities of all stripes would keep their political opinions to themselves.

Except there are two sides to that. If celebrities — in other words, people who can EQUALLY gain the attention of the media, to get a message out — DIDN’T take sides or speak up, it would be like giving Palin… or any politician or public figure for that matter… a free pass to run and say and do whatever they wanted, completely unchallenged.

Hey, let’s face it — the whole reason WHY Palin loves to drop the phrase “lamestream media” is because UNLESS she’s getting her ass kissed on Fox News, everyone ELSE actually is giving her the proper scrutiny that a public figure deserves — certainly someone who’s possibly running for freakin’ PRESIDENT, which I think we can all agree would be a person who deserves the UTMOST scrutiny.

Besides, the whole reason Palin doesn’t like the media has long become obvious. In some ways she is literally the flip side of Obama and his off the cuff stammering and “uh, uh, uhs”. In short, like Obama and his teleprompters, if Palin isn’t reading a pre-prepared speech and is asked to speak off the cuff, it instantly becomes obvious she’s dumb as a rock.

Dsiscokid said:

I agree Alamo. You can go to a ton of websites and its nothing but name calling and insults. Let’s face it our nation is in trouble and we all (libs, conservatives, libertarians, moderates, etc.) are Americans. We are going to disagree on a lot of issues but we have to find a way to work together to find common ground. I’m learning that Ivy League “elites” (D or R) who insult God-fearing Americans as Bible-thumping, Tea Party, gun toting white Christian rednecks are no better than individuals accusing others of being Hitler, whether it’s Bush or Obama. It’s intellectually lazy and serves on purpose, IMHO

Great post. It’s nice if someone has earned a degree and all but to think it entitles them to ridicule others and dismiss their opinions and feelings is not helpful.

philipjames said:
When I read comments about Sarah Palin by people who obviously do not know her, have not read anything she has written or listened to her speeches, then of course I can crap on them. where does their opinion of her come from? just out of their a** without any foundation? go and ask any leftie Sarah Palin hater exactly why they dislike her and you will hear them mouth simple statements like “she is against women’s rights” which is a lie or “she is polarizing or controversial”…. oh? as if Obama isn’t to about 65% of America? but I never see that word constantly attached to him… doofus maybe, but not controversialSo, since most of the left gets their political intelligence from comedians, entertainers and far left talking heads I have every right to call them out.

You missed my point completely. And to categorize the “Left” like that is disingenuous. All the left don’t think alike. All the right don’t think alike. All the tea partiers don’t think alike. Your generalizations are wrong, since they cannot be 100% right. Many people unkindly say negative things about Palin. The singer said that she could not win. So come on: explain to us why you admire her — and why you think she can (and should) win. In other words, add to the dialogue, don’t make fun of it, or degrade it. Thanks.

Patrick Henry said:
Dan, that wasn’t Michelle F that said that. She was quoting MediaWhore.

I see. It wasn’t posted as a quote and I had missed the first one. My mistake. Michelle , I apologize for misquoting you and will be having crow for lunch.

Dave Templeton said:
There are two reasons why Barack Obama is President today. It’s because the GOP, in their infinite wisdom, picked the dumb shit Senator from my state and the dumb shit unknown from Alaska. What part of that doesn’t the GOP get? So if the Republicans want to throw in the towel now fine but they would be wasting their time pondering and pandering over Palin for the next two years, Obama will get reelected. Gingrich and Rubio are the team I want to see for the 2012 race, two winners!

As a Democrat, I have to agree with you! I also would love to see Gingrich (and anyone) as the Republican candidate in 2012. I do not think he can win (nor do I think he can get the nomination). He has too much baggage, especially with the family values thing. And his comments about non-colonial Kenyan willl make him a fringe candidate, too far right for the moderates and independents. In my humble opinion….

Cousin Trace is in danger of getting “Dixie Chicked.” But why in the world would he ‘love to death” someone like Sarah Palin who epitomizes ‘rode hard, put up wet?’

Patrick Henry said:
Alamo, thank you as well. I enjoy discussing issues with you. I don’t consider myself moderate though. I am strongly in favor of conservative policies, but we all have the right to our opinions and should be able to discuss them without insults and obscenities. We are all Americans and as a nation we’ll all sink or swim together whether we are left, right, or in the middle.

Absolutely. I tend to think we need the different social and fiscal views to try and arrive at a balance, but we can’t do that without good honest communication and a starting point from which we all care about the country and our fellow citizens.

And since Bill’s unbiased statement sums up the same feelings the media have for Palin, that’s why she wouldn’t win.

Patrick Henry said:
Cobra, you are right, that is a long time if the person turns out bad. As a conservative though, I have to go with the person that at least voices that he/she will vote in a conservative fashion. O”Donnell is certainly not what my perfect candidate would look like, but a much closer match than Castle or Coons.

Patrick, I respect you opinion on that. I just hope that you have a better choice than that in other races! It is up to the independents, and moderates, to give us better candidates. As a Democrat, I wish I had a better choice than Pelosi or Reid. Sigh…..

gordonbloyershow said:
Palin has lots of time to get prepared. All the left-wing comedians made fun of Reagan too. Gov. Ed Brown tried to make him a joke. He wasn’t laughing after Reagan crushed him.
I think Palin knows what her problem is and she will be working on it. It only takes one debate to change the mind of the electorate about how smart and competent she is. Once Reagan wiped out Carter in the debate it was all over.

There’s a HUGE difference between Reagan and Palin. For Heaven’s sake — and I say this as a former die-hard Republican myself, who is now a moderate Independent (since the Republican party seems to no longer tolerate moderates willing to listen to all sides of an issue and THEN decide) — let’s be honest here about Reagan’s history and Palin’s.

Reagan had a basically solid career as an actor, but then became interested in politics through his involvement in the Screen Actors Guild, of which he was eventually President. He also used the time after that period to study up on national politics…traveling and learning from people…to eventually stage his run for Governor. As Governor, he certainly had MORE accomplishments than Palin.

Oh, yeah — and let’s not forget that Reagan was a successful TWO TERM Governor for 8 years, whereas Palin didn’t even have the guts to finish out her first term, quitting at the halfway mark. Which Murkowski brutually satired Friday night, in announcing that she’d still run as a write-in candidate for the Alaskan Senatorial election, when she said “This is one Republican woman who WON’T quit on Alaska.”

In comparison, Palin got thrown into the spotlight by McCain…made a splash…but since then has really NOT done anything to address all the weaknesses that were brought to the public’s attention. Worse, she’s basically used the time since the election to simply line her pockets with money and try to make herself more famous.

Look, there’s a REASON why Palin only has a 30-35% approval rating nationally. In fact, in just the last month or so, her ratings have dropped nearly 10 points from even Republicans — or Independent moderates like me — who have grown weary of her. It’s because, as Trace Adkins is noting, you MIGHT like Palin, but deep down inside you just KNOW that she’s NOT Presidential material.

For crying out loud, even as a surface and emotional “image”, could anyone with a functioning brain say that Palin creates the “look” or even presents the “stature” of a President that Reagan did — even as a candidate? Answer: no. Why? Because everyone sees her for what she is: a media creation whose time is quickly coming and going.

Patrick Henry said:
Alamo, thank you as well. I enjoy discussing issues with you. I don’t consider myself moderate though. I am strongly in favor of conservative policies, but we all have the right to our opinions and should be able to discuss them without insults and obscenities. We are all Americans and as a nation we’ll all sink or swim together whether we are left, right, or in the middle.

Thanks Patrick. As Benjamin Franklin said of another time: “We must hang together, or surely we will be hanged apart!”

People who live their lives based on what celebrities say are idiots.

Contrary to popular opinion, the phrase “What this country needs is a good five cent cigar” was not said by Bill Clinton.

writer said:
Contrary to popular opinion, the phrase “What this country needs is a good five cent cigar” was not said by Bill Clinton.

But it could have been.

Umm. why can’t he have an opinion and express it? What do you expect from Anderson?

notsofast said:
“A few years ago, he (Obama) would be serving us coffee.” — Bill Clinton

” He (Obama) doesn’t sound like a Negro unless he wants to.” Senator Harry Reid

“He ( Obama) couldn’t sell watermelons to….” Dan Rather

“See, Barack’s been talking down to black people … I want to cut his nuts off.” Jesse Jackson

Bill Maher on how he expected BHO to act with BP: “I was expecting a “real black president”– you know, the kind that “lifts up his shirt so they can see the gun in his pants.”

“Isn’t Obama’s big problem is that he does everything half-assed? Maybe it’s because he’s only half black.”

RATIGAN: And Obama didn’t do it, when it came down to it, when the Wall Street guys got across the table from him and said “Oh you going to change our tax code little boy?” I think not…. If its Teddy Roosevelt in office who is not intimated by these types of people he might say “Listen. I don’t care who you are, I don’t care how rich you are, its not going to happen.” But with this guy (Obama), he just bends over every time.
MIKA BRZEZINSKI: Dylan, you’re very- Oh, my God!
SCARBOROUGH: You know, I was so uncomfortable with a couple of the things you said and then the exclamation point at the end.
RATIGAN: It’s unbelievable to me. I’m not trying to offend.

You sure do watch alot of MSNBC

notsofast said:
absolutely, Trace would be a better one to ask than Palin

just smarter

gordonbloyershow said:
You make no sense. Do you even read the newspapers? Have you noticed that the tea party members are also battling the Republican establishment? Or do you stop after you read your horoscope and Doonesbury? I know you lefties spin and spin all day long. But you will find it very difficult to play this tired Bush rant against the tea party — since it makes no sense whatsoever. Hey, but keep on trying. Why don’t you play the race card next?

So your point is we need to get behind the Vice Presidential pick?

notsofast said:
No, no, no, Cobra! Of all of our Presidents, he is the most ineffective and he is black- that is a fact!- Your logic!

Effective?

LOL

Record # of people in poverty.
Record # of people on welfare.
Record # of people in foreclosure.
Record # of job losses in 2009.

Yeah, he has been quite effective.

Guess you believed that whole JIB-JAB fairy dust thing that a World economy can be changed by replacing the man in the white house -

Sure Palin is not worth taking seriously, and poses no threat to the Left. That’s why Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews and every other liberal pundit has to devote hours of coverage to her each week — and have continued to do so for more than two years. What’s wrong with this picture?

MichelleF said:
Hey Cobra, do you agree with this statement from Bill Maher:

“Isn’t Obama’s big problem is that he does everything half-assed? Maybe it’s because he’s only half black. You know? It’s that, if he was a, if this, if he was fully black, I’m telling you, he would be a better president.“

It’s amazing – no matter what topic it always comes back to the blacks and the muslims

Paul Westlake said:
“they don’t want their conservative leaders to reach across the aisle and work with the other party; they want them to leer across the aisle and give them the finger.” THIS is the neo-con Tea Party movement in a nutshell. I have ZERO respect for those who carry the “my way or the highway” attitude into a political fight. McCain, once revered for reaching across the aisle, is now reviled by his own base for the same reason. Conservatives want to beat liberals into a bloody pulp and when we fight back, go running to the refuge of their victim complexes. If freaking Trace Adkins can figure this out well enough to articulate it on CNN, you better believe the majority of the rest of the country is figuring it out, too. It’s selfish and petty and short-sighted, and it will end, one way or another. We all better start praying it ends peacefully.

I love how the left always preaches about “reaching across the aisle” and how those mean tea party people want the newly elected people to stick to the platforms that got them elected, while all the while for the last 4 years the Democrats ram bills through while refusing to allow amendments, putting 300 page amendments in a bill at 3AM, and vote for bills they don’t read. If that is the Libs “fighting back” then you get what you deserve

He talks like he got shit is mouth too.

gordonbloyershow said:
Palin has lots of time to get prepared. All the left-wing comedians made fun of Reagan too. Gov. Ed Brown tried to make him a joke. He wasn’t laughing after Reagan crushed him.I think Palin knows what her problem is and she will be working on it. It only takes one debate to change the mind of the electorate about how smart and competent she is. Once Reagan wiped out Carter in the debate it was all over.

She still needs to get her high school diploma first.

LA screenwriter said:
Except there are two sides to that. If celebrities — in other words, people who can EQUALLY gain the attention of the media, to get a message out — DIDN’T take sides or speak up, it would be like giving Palin… or any politician or public figure for that matter… a free pass to run and say and do whatever they wanted, completely unchallenged. Hey, let’s face it — the whole reason WHY Palin loves to drop the phrase “lamestream media” is because UNLESS she’s getting her ass kissed on Fox News, everyone ELSE actually is giving her the proper scrutiny that a public figure deserves — certainly someone who’s possibly running for freakin’ PRESIDENT, which I think we can all agree would be a person who deserves the UTMOST scrutiny. Besides, the whole reason Palin doesn’t like the media has long become obvious. In some ways she is literally the flip side of Obama and his off the cuff stammering and “uh, uh, uhs”. In short, like Obama and his teleprompters, if Palin isn’t reading a pre-prepared speech and is asked to speak off the cuff, it instantly becomes obvious she’s dumb as a rock.

Your right, Sarah Palin has never been vetted as completely as Barack Obama. LA, did you scream about the non existent vetting of Obama? I’m guessing no. I’m still waiting to see his college papers and grades. I think a background check that you would get if you applied for a management position at walmart would be the least that would be done for a Presidential candidate, but no we are told that he is a genius that graduated from an Ivy league school by the same people who consider President Bush a full blown idiot even though graduated from an Ivy league school as well. Even though I wasn’t a big fan of Bush by any means, at least he actually participated in the business world and had success. Barry has spent his life shaking down businesses as a “community organizer” and it shows in where we are at in this country. Job killing policies and union payoffs kill the economy.

Today Obama was railing at business again for having the audacity to participate in the political process by fighting for their lives against the most anti business government in US History, yet he doesn’t seem to be concerned that Union Leadership spent 100 Million to elect democrats. Seems a bit hypocritical to me. Tomorrow he’ll be attacking the Insurance Industry again. Sunday it will be back to Oil Companies, and Monday back to the finance sector. Sprinkle in a few blaming Republicans for stopping him from passing legislation though he had a super majority and maybe 3 dashes of blame Bush, and he’ll be ready for another 4 rounds of golf and some more parties.

Anderson Cooper asked him the central question surrounding the future of the Tea Party– what will happen when they become incumbents–
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Stupid Question. They arent even in power AC!

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As for Palin, when asked about what he thought of her presidential ambitions, Adkins repeated that he hoped she would reconsider rather than hurting the party. “She can’t win,” he argued, “she’s become a punchline.”

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Absolutely right she is a good S disturber now but will have to be tamed before 2012

musiccityvic said:
I love how the left always preaches about “reaching across the aisle” and how those mean tea party people want the newly elected people to stick to the platforms that got them elected, while all the while for the last 4 years the Democrats ram bills through while refusing to allow amendments, putting 300 page amendments in a bill at 3AM, and vote for bills they don’t read. If that is the Libs “fighting back” then you get what you deserve

That’s a load of crap. 1) Dems didn’t cram anything down anyone’s throat for the two years that Bush was in office in your example; 2) Obama immediately reached across the aisle to the GREAT frustration of his progressive base on nearly every agenda item, only to have his hand slapped away by obstructionist partisanship time and time again; 3) the GOP actually locked committee room doors to keep Dems out of meetings when they had control of Congress, and a GOP senator objected to meetings after 2pm for the first time in modern Senate history THIS YEAR, so enough about the parliamentary tricks; 4) the GOP used reconciliation to ram the massive, unfunded, budget-busting, deficit-exploding Bush tax cuts through the Senate, which was just one of dozens of bills the Democrats were literally locked out of, and now those same people are blaming Democrats for the GOP’s self-imposed expiration date, and even as some Democrats have expressed a willingness to compromise, to the reactionary partisan, it’s just another instance of having a Democrat “ram” something down America’s throat.

You should be so lucky to have Democrats as willing to cram legislation through the process as their Republican counterparts. At least we’d get GOOD legislation from time to time that way. Good grief! And what IS this conservative fascination with “ramming” things down throats? Why the overt sexual imagery all the time? Rush with the ankle-grabbing, Glen with the ramming… what the hell is going on out there?

Talk about getting what people deserve? The Bush administration is lucky it hasn’t been shipped to The Hague en masse, and neo-con pols and pundits are lucky they didn’t have their jaws wired shut after those eight abysmal years, and you have the balls to talk about what people deserve? That’s rich!

writer said:
Okay, Cobra. So if Obama’s opponents repeatedly referred to him as ‘that black guy’, you’d have no problem with it? And I didn’t say Wright was the avowed racist. I said he’s best friends with an avowed racist. (Louis Farrakhan. He of the ‘all whites are blue eyed devils’ fame. He of the ‘Hitler was a great guy’ quotes.) But Cobra, I already know you bend over backwards to deny black racism. Carry on.

LOL! If Obama’s opponents ONLY referred to him as “that black guy”, it would be an IMPROVEMENT. Where the hell have you been hiding the past three years? They’ve called Obama everything except a child of God.

And why are White Conservative like you so terrified of Louis Farrakhan? He didn’t run for office like Barry Goldwater, George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan, who all campaigned against Civil Rights for Black people. By that argument, everybody who claims to like Goldwater, Bush Sr. or Reagan, who wanted to keep my family at the back of the bus, I can indict as guilty of condoning racism.
This is 2010 Writer. Minorities aren’t scared of folks like you anymore.

musiccityvic said:
I love how the left always preaches about “reaching across the aisle” and how those mean tea party people want the newly elected people to stick to the platforms that got them elected, while all the while for the last 4 years the Democrats ram bills through while refusing to allow amendments, putting 300 page amendments in a bill at 3AM, and vote for bills they don’t read. If that is the Libs “fighting back” then you get what you deserve

No amendments? Are you effin’ kidding? Democrats allowed PLENTY of amendments. Republicans vote “No” anyway. Take Health Care Reform:

“Review a few of the Republican initiatives included in legislation passed by Congress:
Includes personal responsibility incentives: Allows health insurance premium to vary based on participation in proven employer wellness programs
(Sources: H.R. 3468, “Promoting Health and Preventing Chronic Disease through Prevention and Wellness Programs for Employees, Communities, and Individuals Act” (Castle bill); H.R. 4038, “Common Sense Health Care Reform & Accountability Act” (Republican Substitute bill); H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” (Republican Study Committee bill); H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act” (Kirk bill), “Coverage, Prevention and Reform Act”)
Advances medical liability reform through grants to States: Provides grants to States to jump-start and evaluate promising medical liability reform ideas to put patient safety first, prevent medical errors, and reduce liability premiums.
(Sources: S. 1783, “Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act” (Enzi bill); H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” (Republican Study Committee bill); H.R. 4529, “Roadmap for America’s Future Act” (Ryan bill); S. 1099, “Patients’ Choice Act” (Burr-Coburn, Ryan-Nunes bill))
Extends dependent coverage to age 26: Gives young adults new options.
(Sources: H.R. 4038, “Common Sense Health Care Reform & Accountability Act” (Republican Substitute bill); H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act” (Kirk bill))
Allows automatic enrollment by employers in health insurance: Allows employee to opt-out.
(Sources: House Republican Substitute; H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” (Republican Study Committee bill); “Coverage, Prevention, and Reform Act” )
Mechanisms to improve quality.
(Sources: H.R. 4529, “Roadmap for America’s Future Act;” S. 1099, “Patients’ Choice Act;” H.R. 3400, Republican Study Group bill; S. 1783, “Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act” (Enzi bill))
Community Mental Health Centers. The President’s Proposal ensures that individuals have access to comprehensive mental health services in the community setting, but strengthens standards for facilities that seek reimbursement as community mental health centers by ensuring these facilities are providing appropriate care and not taking advantage of Medicare patients or the taxpayers.
(Source: H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act”) “

http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas

Stop the hate.

–Cobra

musiccityvic said:
Your right, Sarah Palin has never been vetted as completely as Barack Obama. LA, did you scream about the non existent vetting of Obama? I’m guessing no. I’m still waiting to see his college papers and grades.

Like you effin’ demanded that from ANY white President in the past.

–Cobra

Paul Westlake said:
That’s a load of crap. 1) Dems didn’t cram anything down anyone’s throat for the two years that Bush was in office in your example; 2) Obama immediately reached across the aisle to the GREAT frustration of his progressive base on nearly every agenda item, only to have his hand slapped away by obstructionist partisanship time and time again; 3) the GOP actually locked committee room doors to keep Dems out of meetings when they had control of Congress, and a GOP senator objected to meetings after 2pm for the first time in modern Senate history THIS YEAR, so enough about the parliamentary tricks; 4) the GOP used reconciliation to ram the massive, unfunded, budget-busting, deficit-exploding Bush tax cuts through the Senate, which was just one of dozens of bills the Democrats were literally locked out of, and now those same people are blaming Democrats for the GOP’s self-imposed expiration date, and even as some Democrats have expressed a willingness to compromise, to the reactionary partisan, it’s just another instance of having a Democrat “ram” something down America’s throat. You should be so lucky to have Democrats as willing to cram legislation through the process as their Republican counterparts. At least we’d get GOOD legislation from time to time that way. Good grief! And what IS this conservative fascination with “ramming” things down throats? Why the overt sexual imagery all the time? Rush with the ankle-grabbing, Glen with the ramming… what the hell is going on out there? Talk about getting what people deserve? The Bush administration is lucky it hasn’t been shipped to The Hague en masse, and neo-con pols and pundits are lucky they didn’t have their jaws wired shut after those eight abysmal years, and you have the balls to talk about what people deserve? That’s rich!

Yeah, that Obamacare legislation is terrific, that’s why every democrat running for office acts as if it doesn’t exist. Spending has skyrocketed since the Dems have taken over. I don’t blame just the Dems to be clear. All the RINO’s were able to reach across the aisle for 10 years and spend like crazy with bipartisan support. They have paid the price and will continue to pay the price as they are purged out of office. On the tax cuts, do you mean the tax cuts that 40 democrats are supporting the continuation of? The same cuts that your leadership wants to cut the “rich” out of by saying well its only 2% of the population are the same ones they villified for only helping the rich. So I guess the other 98% of the people actually DID get something.

I’m not saying the Repubs are innocent by any means, because they are not. However, don’t try to tell us how great the Democrats have done in the 4 years they have been in control and the last 2 with a super majority. Passing 2500 page bills without reading them, against the will of 70% of the people, by the way, passing a large financial bill that does nothing to address the Fannie and Freddie mess, passing a 800 billion stimulus that is a complete failure and then continuing to pour billions and billions into the garbage with no idea on how to get the economy going again. Like I said, if they have done such a fantastic job, why aren’t any of the Democrats running on their record for the last 4 years. It is simple. They can’t because they have done an abysmal job, starting with the savior in chief. You can’t villify bettter than half the population, call them stupid and racist, cater to unions, and attack every big industry in the country without consequences. Then spend 2 years blaming the other guy. The 40 year reign will be over in November. Get used to it. Despite what you believe, the country isn’t made up of Progressives, it is a Center Right country at the least and fiscally conservative. I love how you Libs talk about Bush’s deficit spending but don’t mention the fact the Obama has grown the government by 25% while setting record yearly deficits for 2 years straight. No, that is Bush’s fault too I suppose.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. “Mahatma Gandhi”

Do you notice that every discourse ends up with a sexual or racist accusation with the Progressives? Just Sayin

Cobra said:
Notsofast,

You’re equating that the financial collapse, subsequent recession and economic consequences that began BEFORE Obama was sworn in on January 19, 2009 is Obama’s fault?

LOL. You’re the Bethany Storro of this blog.

Sorry, Cobra, everything I said was true about BHO

Record # of people in poverty.
Record # of people on welfare.
Record # of people in foreclosure.
Record # of job losses in 2009.

- and , child, Bush has been out of office for over 18 months!

IT WAS IN ALL THE PAPERS!

And barry’s cabinet, is not the ‘aisle.”

LOL

Cobra said:
You’re the Bethany Storro of this blog.

No- Barry is.

He has run this country into the ground and know he says, “Someone did this to me. He was white! Help me!”

LMAO

musiccityvic said:
Yeah, that Obamacare legislation is terrific, that’s why every democrat running for office acts as if it doesn’t exist. Spending has skyrocketed since the Dems have taken over.

Unrelated to the point you were making and that I commented on.

musiccityvic said:
All the RINO’s were able to reach across the aisle for 10 years and spend like crazy with bipartisan support.

No. No RINOs. Incumbents your friends will vote for… again, like McConnell and DeMint. And no, they did not do it with cheers from the Dems. They did it by holding their caucus in line, luring a few blue dogs, and shouting down the Dem establishment, or locking them out of the room, literally.

musiccityvic said:
On the tax cuts, do you mean the tax cuts that 40 democrats are supporting the continuation of? The same cuts that your leadership wants to cut the “rich” out of by saying well its only 2% of the population are the same ones they villified for only helping the rich.

Doesn’t matter who supports their extension, the Bush tax cuts have and will continue to explode the deficit and have not payed for themselves. And the Dems never said there were NO tax cuts for the other 98%, they said it was too heavily weighted to favor the top 2%, which it was, and still is.

musiccityvic said:
I’m not saying the Repubs are innocent by any means, because they are not. However, don’t try to tell us how great the Democrats have done in the 4 years they have been in control and the last 2 with a super majority.

I didn’t.

musiccityvic said:
Passing 2500 page bills without reading them, against the will of 70% of the people, by the way, passing a large financial bill that does nothing to address the Fannie and Freddie mess, passing a 800 billion stimulus that is a complete failure and then continuing to pour billions and billions into the garbage with no idea on how to get the economy going again.

The number of pages is meaningless and the GOP doesn’t read any of their bills either, that’s what the staffs are for. The somewhat less than 70% of the people you describe were not against passing the bill for the same reasons and most of those were in favor of doing much more. Fannie and Freddie didn’t cause the mess, Goldman did, and Blankfein should be drawn and quartered. Without the stimulus, unemployment would be close to 12%, according to every reliable measure, and nearly every police and fire department in the country avoided layoffs and cutbacks in coverage as a direct result of stimulus funds. You either have no idea what you’re talking about or you’re lying on purpose to make a partisan point.

musiccityvic said:
if they have done such a fantastic job, why aren’t any of the Democrats running on their record for the last 4 years. It is simple. They can’t because they have done an abysmal job, starting with the savior in chief.

When did it become a mystery that Democratic politicians are chickenshits? And only conservative hacks call Obama anybody’s savior.

musiccityvic said:
You can’t villify bettter than half the population, call them stupid and racist, cater to unions, and attack every big industry in the country without consequences. Then spend 2 years blaming the other guy.

I suppose one couldn’t, which is why it’s a good thing none of that is true. Obama called half the population racist and stupid and nobody reported it? Wow, even Fox must have a liberal media bias. Oh, and Bush was still blaming Clinton during Obama’s inaugural. LOL

musiccityvic said:
Despite what you believe, the country isn’t made up of Progressives, it is a Center Right country at the least and fiscally conservative.

Yes, I’m sure the nation is preparing to line up according to your breakdown even as we speak.

musiccityvic said:
I love how you Libs talk about Bush’s deficit spending but don’t mention the fact the Obama has grown the government by 25% while setting record yearly deficits for 2 years straight. No, that is Bush’s fault too I suppose.

Yeah, Bush’s deficit spending is STILL 75% of the deficit, and extanding his tax cuts will make that percentage go up in the next ten years! Most of Obama’s initiatives have been PAID for, and deficit spending he did initiate was either CONSTRUCTIVE debt (actual investments in actual things, like high speed rail), emergency safety nets for unemployed workers and public agencies devastated by Bush’s voodoo economics on crack (like synthetic CDOs that destroyed housing values), or the additional tax cuts insisted on by the GOP that just piled on more DESTRUCTIVE debt. So even in the era of Democrats ramming things, it’s still the GOP that manages to explode the deficit with unfunded tax cuts for people who don’t need them. That wasn’t Bush’s fault, it was McConnell’s.

musiccityvic said:
First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. “Mahatma Gandhi”

That’s what happened in 2008. Get used to it. ;-)

musiccityvic said:
Do you notice that every discourse ends up with a sexual or racist accusation with the Progressives? Just Sayin

Just usin’ that kind of language begets that kind of criticism. Don’t like it, don’t be it. ;-)

Paul, you must stop getting all your talking points from the Huffington Post. You live in a fantasy land. Story after story comes out about how much a dismal failure the Stimulus was and yet you still champion it. When the only accomplishment the administration can champion is 2 years of unemployment benefits than you have serious problems. Funny, the housing crisis has nothing to do with the economic problems at all. That is simply not true. Wall Street does have issues that should have been addressed in the Financial bill, but like the Health bill it contains nothing other than more government control of every facet of life, a progressive dream. You progressives always fall back on firemen and police getting laid off. Yet, the last 50 billion was sent to states that had, for the most part, handled what needed to be handled to keep their services.

You need to read something other than Liberal websites. The stimulus is a failure. If it wasn’t the Democrats would be trumpeting the accomplishment with every commercial. Hell, they act like they don’t even know who Obama is now.
Get used to being in the minority again. That is what you deserve.

CosmoDan says:

Are you a mind reader as a hobby or are is it a career. Thanks Krescan for telling people what they “really mean”

It’s code I tells ya. Do you bend spoons as well?

Hey Dan, I wasn’t the one who made the comment, it was someone else. I only added the word classy. Next time, actually read the comment before calling someone else out. It will help avoid embarrassment..

MichelleF said:
CosmoDan says:

Are you a mind reader as a hobby or are is it a career. Thanks Krescan for telling people what they “really mean”

It’s code I tells ya. Do you bend spoons as well?

Hey Dan, I wasn’t the one who made the comment, it was someone else. I only added the word classy. Next time, actually read the comment before calling someone else out. It will help avoid embarrassment..

That’s funny. Someone already pointed that out and I apologized. Did you not read that?
I still appreciate your concern. It’s actually not that embarrassing to make a mistake and just admit it. You could help out though by indicating it’s a quote when you’re quoting, in your post. That kinda threw me.

musiccityvic said:
Story after story comes out about how much a dismal failure the Stimulus was and yet you still champion it.

OK. Point to them. Where are they?

musiccityvic said:
When the only accomplishment the administration can champion is 2 years of unemployment benefits than you have serious problems.

Yeah, that would really suck…

Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act
American Recovery and Reinvestment Act
Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act
Special Inspector General for the Troubled Asset Relief Program Act
Protecting Incentives for the Adoption of Children with Special Needs Act
Helping Families Save Their Homes Act
Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act
Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility, and Disclosure (CARD) Act
Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act
Cash For Clunkers
Judicial Survivors Protection Act
Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act
Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act
Military Spouses Residency Relief Act
Statutory Pay-As-You-Go Act
Nuclear Forensics and Attribution Act
Jobs for Main Street Act
PATRIOT Act Extension
Hiring Incentives to Restore Employment (HIRE) Act
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act
North American Wetlands Conservation Act
Health Care and Education Affordability Reconciliation Act
Blinded Veterans Association
Daniel Pearl Freedom of the Press Act
Small Business Act and the Small Business Investment Act
Comprehensive Iran Sanctions, Accountability, and Divestment Act
Dodd-Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act
Fair Sentencing Act

…good thing the list is a bit longer than that. ;-)

musiccityvic said:
Wall Street does have issues that should have been addressed in the Financial bill, but like the Health bill it contains nothing other than more government control of every facet of life, a progressive dream.

Oh, good grief! I’m not a big fan of that bill either but not because it’s going to control “every facet” of my life, but because it doesn’t do much to control anything! What evidence can you show that Obama is actually controlling “every facet,” or ANY facet, of your life? Get real!

musiccityvic said:
Yet, the last 50 billion was sent to states that had, for the most part, handled what needed to be handled to keep their services.

I have no idea where you get this information but it barely makes sense to begin with. Only a handful of States send more money to Washington then they get in return – NY, CA, FL, IL, TX, and a few others. EVERYONE else depends on handouts from those States. So stop trying to pretend that conservatives pay for everything while liberals bum around in parks and mooch. That’s a crock of shit. In fact, liberal States contribute the VAST majority of the Federal budget, so shut the fuck up about YOUR deficits, unless you’re prepared to give me back MY money. Slackers.

musiccityvic said:
You need to read something other than Liberal websites. The stimulus is a failure. If it wasn’t the Democrats would be trumpeting the accomplishment with every commercial. Hell, they act like they don’t even know who Obama is now.

Pot, the kettle is calling. And what part of “chickenshit” do you not understand? Ay, mio dios!

i think i’ll go back to watching the football game. your obviously delusional, so i’m wasting my time. the list of your accomplishments includes 90 percent of bills that are dismal failures. just because they have fancy names doesn’t make them effective. if they were such great bills the dems wouldn’t be facing historical losses this election. Here is one of the stories on son of stimulus. You should post another success in your post above, “The Perpetual Union Payoff So Dems Can Keep Getting Elected Act”.

Only now, as the edujobs bill has overcome its largest obstacle in the Senate, are people beginning to ask questions about how this is all going to work.

The Texas constitution may keep that state from receiving $800 million.

Nebraska is in line to receive about $59 million, even though Jess Wolf, president of the Nebraska State Education Association, said, “We haven’t lost a lot of teachers at this point, (but we’re) certainly fearful that we might.”
I can’t say I’ve read every statement about the edujobs bill, but I certainly don’t recall anyone saying the money was needed to reduce fear.
Maryland should receive about $179 million, yet the Washington Post notes, “officials have no estimate of layoffs for the school year that begins in a few weeks.” The Baltimore Sun reported “most of [the state's] school systems are not planning to lay off teachers,” and that several were hiring new ones.
The money can be used to increase teacher salaries, which will be good news in Wisconsin, where education employees are scraping by this year with average compensation increases of only 3.75 percent, instead of the average 4.13 percent they’ve enjoyed since 1993.
Even before the Senate vote, the “yo-yo effect” of pink-slipping then rehiring teachers continued.
In California, 82 Santa Cruz teachers were called back and in Vallejo a total of 58 teachers had their layoff notices rescinded, leaving only 20-30 still out. In Scranton, Pennsylvania, teaching positions will likely be safe for the fall.
Politico reports on grousing from House Democrats, stating that “some of their vulnerable members will feel like they have to walk the plank, yet again, on a politically unpopular economic-stimulus agenda, while reminding voters of their failure to handle routine budget work this year.”
What’s a measly $10 billion out of nearly $700 billion in annual spending on public education anyway? Well, it’s the notion that the people who are drowning in the ocean are bailing out the people in the lifeboats.
A few weeks ago, the Nelson A. Rockefeller Institute of Government ginned up a neat little report, based on Bureau of Labor Statistics data, on the nation’s job situation. Figure 1 is a depiction of the change in employment since the start of the current recession. The blue, yellow and green lines are the public sector. The red line is the private sector.

There’s more. After 30 months of recession, local government education employment (the category where most teachers and support employees reside) has yet to approach a one percent decline.
Of the 35 states for which we have data, 13 lost jobs in the education sector from the spring of 2009 to the spring of 2010. Mississippi was unchanged. The other 21 states had education employment increases – including New Jersey, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
It is highly likely that many of the teachers who were laid off this year – whose jobs we are now trying to save – were only hired because of last year’s stimulus money. They are essentially wards of the federal government. If this is the road to economic recovery, then we should simply hire as teachers all of the nation’s unemployed.
After such a huge victory in the Senate, you might think the teachers’ unions would be content to get out with the $10 billion, but they’re already raising the specter of perpetual bailouts. Richard Iannuzzi, president of New York State United Teachers, said the additional money only allows districts to delay the inevitable for a year because revenues are not suddenly going to rebound anytime soon.
The federal government is now firmly in the business of hiring and paying your local school teachers according to the flawed and self-interested projections of district administrators and teachers’ unions. It won’t be so easy to go back.

A giant payoff and waste of money. Once again. Again, you don’t hear the word slackers associated with conservatives. That’s all for you progressives and your terminal welfare voting class.

Its been fun locking horns with you. Your wrong, but thats ok. You’ll find out soon enough.

musiccityvic said:
i think i’ll go back to watching the football game. your obviously delusional, so i’m wasting my time.

And yet, you went on to waste much more of your time than you had with me to that point. And it really was a waste of time because my eyes glazed over on you third irrelevant point. Like the accomplishments or not, effective or not, they were signed into law, and therefore represent more than just unemployment benefits and two years of complaining. That was the point, in case you forgot.

Unions have been on their steepest decline in history over the past 30 years of voodoo economics. But the non-union workforce has had it even worse, seeing living-wage jobs get shipped overseas by the captains of trickle-down globalism who promised over and over again that global competition would be a HUGE benefit to America’s economy and its workers. It was all lies, as those of us attentive enough to be doing the actual math knew all along. And now that Obama is forced to clean up the neo-con messes with not-so-savory policy, the very neo-cons that broke everything are trying to blame Obama for their fuck ups while assuring us that they know exactly what went wrong and exactly how to fix it… without actually offering a plan to back it up. They’re fuck ups, always have been, always will be. And following them over the cliff is your prerogative, but count me out.

You can call me delusional until the cows come home. Facts are facts, and they’re on my side.

Paul Westlake said:
Its been fun locking horns with you. Your wrong, but thats ok. You’ll find out soon enough.

You know, I don’t disagree with a single thing in there… as long as I said the last two parts. ;-)

I love all these people trashing Palin saying she’s not Presidential material! Yeah like this clown Obama is?

John Girvan said:
I love all these people trashing Palin saying she’s not Presidential material! Yeah like this clown Obama is?

Well, it seems that even those on the RIGHT are beginning to realize she makes a great cheerleader or fund raiser, but she’s NOT really Presidential material. Or she’d be an instant loser nationally.

In the shocker of the day…at the ultra Right “Values Voter Summit” taking place this weekend in Washington…in the straw poll of attendees for who would make the best candidate for President, Palin (who had long been predicted to easily win) just came in FIFTH — well behind Mike Pence (the surprise winner), Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney and New Gingrich.

To not touchy……………
gordonbloyershow said:
You make no sense. Do you even read the newspapers? Have you noticed that the tea party members are also battling the Republican establishment? Or do you stop after you read your horoscope and Doonesbury? I know you lefties spin and spin all day long. But you will find it very difficult to play this tired Bush rant against the tea party — since it makes no sense whatsoever. Hey, but keep on trying. Why don’t you play the race card next?

I didn’t write that, Felix did. Try getting it right.

alamo………It is YOUR opinion that she quit for no good reason. I think she had a good reason. There was NO chaos and our system has a backup plan for people to leave office. There would be no problem if Obama quit tomorrow. Everything would continue as is. There was no problem when JFK was shot. There was no problem when Reagan was shot. You just want to make a big deal out of NOTHING. If the Lt. Gov. of Alaska was a left-wing nut there would have been a problem, he wasn’t. He was just like Palin. Too bad for YOU.

no-touchy-touchy said:
You sure do watch alot of MSNBC

Maher, Rather, Clinton, Reid work for MSNBC?

bawahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Cobra, I’m not terrified of Farrakhan. I merely point out that he makes racist comments all the time, but you’ll defend or ignore racism whenever it comes from a black person.

writer said:
Cobra, I’m not terrified of Farrakhan. I merely point out that he makes racist comments all the time, but you’ll defend or ignore racism whenever it comes from a black person.

Really? Did you support Ronald Reagan or George Bush Sr.?

–Cobra

I was sort of neutral on Bush the first. But like the rest of the landslide, I was for Reagan. After the Carter disaster, most of the country felt the same. Only those of you on the extreme far left didn’t go along. And that’s still a deflection, Cobra. You’ll always defend or ignore black racism.

writer said:
Cobra, I’m not terrified of Farrakhan. I merely point out that he makes racist comments all the time, but you’ll defend or ignore racism whenever it comes from a black person.

I’ve pretty much dismissed him as a fringe hate monger , but in all honesty, I’ve never taken a close look because 15 seconds of him is all I can take.

gordonbloyershow said:
To not touchy……………
gordonbloyershow said:

alamo………It is YOUR opinion that she quit for no good reason. I think she had a good reason. There was NO chaos and our system has a backup plan for people to leave office. There would be no problem if Obama quit tomorrow. Everything would continue as is. There was no problem when JFK was shot. There was no problem when Reagan was shot. You just want to make a big deal out of NOTHING. If the Lt. Gov. of Alaska was a left-wing nut there would have been a problem, he wasn’t. He was just like Palin. Too bad for YOU.

I think quitting to pursue a lot more money elsewhere is a perfectly good reason for anyone. I think the point is that if she can’t fight hard enough to get through one term as Governor of Alaska how can she possibly deal with the burden of the Presidency. She can continue to make millions as an independent figure in politics, and why shouldn’t she.

Farrakhan is not an elected official, does not run a public agency, and is not even considered mainstream by the fringe! Farrakhan is a non-entity in contemporary American politics, just like Saul Alinsky, but I guess it’s hard to find new bogiemen every year… or decade… or century! ;-)

“Country star Trace Adkins’? In whose universe? That doofus dork can’t sing a note, and his face resembles the north end of a southbound goat. Why does he need to wear a big leather hat indoors, in a library? Flat head? No hair?

Lars Svensen said:
“Country star Trace Adkins’? In whose universe? That doofus dork can’t sing a note, and his face resembles the north end of a southbound goat. Why does he need to wear a big leather hat indoors, in a library? Flat head? No hair?

I met Trace. He is one physically imposing guy. His political opinion is worth any more or less than any other average citizens. It’s just another edition of celebrity gossip. I guess someone thought the Dixie Chicks controversy might get another shot as a country star criticized a conservative.

Facebook User said:
Doesn’t matter who supports their extension, the Bush tax cuts have and will continue to explode the deficit and have not payed for themselves.

Check out the real numbers:

http://www.truthfulpolitics.com/images/federal_government_revenue.jpg

As you can see not only did the Bush tax cuts pay from themselves, but federal tax revenues increased by $800 billion in the four years following their enactment — the largest increase in federal tax revenues in the history of the United States.

Even today, after all the economic destruction caused by Barack Obama, the federal government brings in more tax revenues than before the Bush tax cuts.

Also, check out the trendline after the Reagan tax cut and Kennedy tax cut — you will see that they also resulted in increased in federal tax revenues.

Next time, be more careful with your lies. The ones you are spreading here are easy to disprove.