Bigots rarely see the error of their ways. She is too old and far gone in her hate now to see how wrong her bigotry is. It will probable only get worse with age.

Loved her in the Wizard of Oz.

Ugh, I see and Anderson and Joy both had interviews with assholes last night.

Helen Thomas is a hero and Joy Behar is hands down the worst interviewer on television, she should be embarrassed at how little she knows.

Color Me Badd said:
Helen Thomas is a hero and Joy Behar is hands down the worst interviewer on television, she should be embarrassed at how little she knows.

Didn’t realize you hated Jews so much. Good to know. You and Helen can give each other your “special wave”.

Harry Flashman said:
Loved her in the Wizard of Oz.

Good one.. that made me laugh.

Leftist hate mongers can be unapologetic, because nobody in the media will ever make a big deal of it.

I’m sure Olbermann has no regrets either. But in both instances the surprise isn’t that these ideologues stand by their opinions. The real surprise is that their bosses let them get away with it for so many years. Who’s minding the store?

tatboy said:
Didn’t realize you hated Jews so much. Good to know. You and Helen can give each other your “special wave”.

Conflating Jews and the murderous policies of Israel is typical of people like yourself.

Regrets? Only that “everybody misinterpreted it and distorted it…

What on Earth was misinterpreted or distorted? That is one ugly person, inside and out.

Color Me Badd said:
Conflating Jews and the murderous policies of Israel is typical of people like yourself.

Um, not to be too specific here, but Helen Thomas was very specific about who should go back to Germany and Poland. Her comments were not about Israel, but about the Jews and you know it. As far as Israel’s “murderous policies,” does that include defending themselves against daily terror attacks? Because they still are getting rockets launched from Hamas controlled Gaza.

Pablo said:
What on Earth was misinterpreted or distorted? That is one ugly person, inside and out.

Gotta agree Pablo. Thomas is a long time openly anti-semitic reporter who has skewed her reporting for decades on Israel.

Keeva said:
Um, not to be too specific here, but Helen Thomas was very specific about who should go back to Germany and Poland. Her comments were not about Israel, but about the Jews and you know it. As far as Israel’s “murderous policies,” does that include defending themselves against daily terror attacks? Because they still are getting rockets launched from Hamas controlled Gaza.

Yes lobbing targetless rockets into Israel is exactly the same as using illegal white phosphorous bombs on women and children and targeting hospitals and schools.

Color Me Badd said:
Yes lobbing targetless rockets into Israel is exactly the same as using illegal white phosphorous bombs on women and children and targeting hospitals and schools.

Ahhhh yes… awful forgiving of the murder of Jews. I’m not shocked in the least.

Keeva said:
Um, not to be too specific here, but Helen Thomas was very specific about who should go back to Germany and Poland. Her comments were not about Israel, but about the Jews and you know it. As far as Israel’s “murderous policies,” does that include defending themselves against daily terror attacks? Because they still are getting rockets launched from Hamas controlled Gaza.

And of course murdering American citizens like Rachel Corie, but you obviously have no problem with that either cause it’s Israel.

Oh Helen….this is really too bad. The woman did a good job of trying to keep them honest in Washington. Then she decided to out herself as everyone’s crazy old grandma that says outrageous shit that makes everyone uncomfortable at Thanksgiving.

Color Me Badd said:
Helen Thomas is a hero and Joy Behar is hands down the worst interviewer on television, she should be embarrassed at how little she knows.

An antisemitic is your hero? You can criticize Israel’s policies but to tell them all to leave is reprehensible, surely have you more sense.

Color Me Badd said:
And of course murdering American citizens like Rachel Corie, but you obviously have no problem with that either cause it’s Israel.

Oh sweetheart, I am so glad you brought up Rachel Corrie who was radicalized by the Palestinian extremists. Here is link showing Rachel Corrie tearing and burning an American flag in Israel. I shed no tears for Rachel and neither should you.

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000636.html

Maybe Hamas shouldnt use women and children as shields and use her and joy instead

TangledThorns said:
Oh sweetheart, I am so glad you brought up Rachel Corrie who was radicalized by the Palestinian extremists. Here is link showing Rachel Corrie tearing and burning an American flag in Israel. I shed no tears for Rachel and neither should you.

http://www.factsofisrael.com/blog/archives/000636.html

So since she burned an American flag she deserved to be run over by an Israeli bulldozer. Defending Israel always brings out the bloodlust in people.

I am sure you haven’t read the Palestinian Papers, why should a true believer like yourself ever read anything. But you might do yourself a favor and google it.

Color Me Badd said:
Yes lobbing targetless rockets into Israel is exactly the same as using illegal white phosphorous bombs on women and children and targeting hospitals and schools.

Obviously you have been drinking the Thomas Kool Aid that says the Palestinians are pure victims even when they brutally kill innocent people. I never said the Israelis were saints. I said they were defending themselves against an enemy that uses hospitals, schools, woman and children as human shields. Against an enemy that sends bombs into malls and pizza parlors. An enemy that today (Hezbollah) said it was ready to occupy Northern Israel by force.

How come folks like you never acknowledge the simple fact that terror remains a top tool of Hamas and company?

Rachel Corie put herself in that situation by laying down in front of a moving bulldozer. After multiple investigations, it was ruled an accident by all except the likes of you who just added it to your nonsensical, terror supporting anti-Israel thinking. Her death was tragic and not necessary, but she took that risk when she signed on with murderers.

Apparently, to folks like you, only Israel ever kills an innocent while every Hamas victim is somehow justified. Perhaps you and Helen should spend some quality time in Gaza.

Thomas was making more sense than Behar.

valkyrie101 said:
Thomas was making more sense than Behar.

Light bulbs make more sense than Behar.

Color Me Badd said:
And of course murdering American citizens like Rachel Corie, but you obviously have no problem with that either cause it’s Israel.

Never play chicken with a Cat D-9. That’s not murder, it’s a Darwin Award winner.

Keeva said:
Obviously you have been drinking the Thomas Kool Aid that says the Palestinians are pure victims even when they brutally kill innocent people. I never said the Israelis were saints. I said they were defending themselves against an enemy that uses hospitals, schools, woman and children as human shields. Against an enemy that sends bombs into malls and pizza parlors. An enemy that today (Hezbollah) said it was ready to occupy Northern Israel by force.

How come folks like you never acknowledge the simple fact that terror remains a top tool of Hamas and company?

Rachel Corie put herself in that situation by laying down in front of a moving bulldozer. After multiple investigations, it was ruled an accident by all except the likes of you who just added it to your nonsensical, terror supporting anti-Israel thinking. Her death was tragic and not necessary, but she took that risk when she signed on with murderers.

Apparently, to folks like you, only Israel ever kills an innocent while every Hamas victim is somehow justified. Perhaps you and Helen should spend some quality time in Gaza.

How would you react if you lived with your family in Buffalo NY and Canada decided to annex your city and bomb your house and kill your family with white phosphorus bombs, deemed illegal by the Geneva Convention.

If you didn’t have a similar reaction to the Palestinians there would be something wrong with you.

FYI Hezbollah is a democratically elected leader of Lebanon and Hamas was also democratically elected in 2006 in an election promoted by the Bush WH.

Neo-cons and Zionist only champion democracy when they can be in charge.

How can she say that she has no regrets… except that she should have “kept her mouth shut.” Isn’t that a pretty substantial regret?

Color Me Badd said:
How would you react if you lived with your family in Buffalo NY and Canada decided to annex your city and bomb your house and kill your family with white phosphorus bombs, deemed illegal by the Geneva Convention.

And once again, the deep, willful ignorance of the left is proudly on display.

ImNotBlue said:
How can she say that she has no regrets… except that she should have “kept her mouth shut.” Isn’t that a pretty substantial regret?

It’s the Nir Rosen deal: “I’m sorry you heard that.”

Obeezy said:
Maybe Hamas shouldnt use women and children as shields and use her and joy instead

I’m for that! Good one Obeezy!!

The immediate name outrage and name-calling on this thread shows why this issue has cost so many lives. The Jews suffered the Holocaust. Then the U.N. moved them to Palestine. Palestinians said WTF?!?! And they’ve been at it ever since. Due to this nation’s Judeo-Christian tradition we are unfailing allies of Israel, to a fault even.

Hamas has done many bad things. They also spend an enormous amount of their budget on social services for Palestinians. It’s entirely possible some of these human shields were willing to die to support Hamas against Israel. Hamas shouldn’t bomb Jews sitting around having lunch, either.

The whole thing is just awful. Helen Thomas telling the Jews to “get the hell out,” however, is not going to help anything.

Color Me Badd said:
FYI Hezbollah is a democratically elected leader of Lebanon and Hamas was also democratically elected in 2006 in an election promoted by the Bush WH.

Hamas was elected to some seats, but they staged a violent coup the following year to get full control of Gaza. It is the violent cpuip and subsequent oppressive regime that is the problem. Unless you consider dragging people out of their homes and executing them for suspicion of collaboration a good government action.

Hezbollah was elected after they had a hand in killing the leader of the other side.

As far as your Canada thing, turn it around. Suppose Canadians launched rockets every day into Buffalo. How bad would we feel if the US struck back.

Oh, and the rockets Hamas uses? Illegal by the Geneva Convention since they target civilians. Hezbollah rockets? Illegal since they agreed with the UN not to have any more.

There are 2 sides to this, but you sadly only see the one. You also ignore the West Bank which is peaceful and works with Israel.

Color Me Badd said:
So since she burned an American flag she deserved to be run over by an Israeli bulldozer. Defending Israel always brings out the bloodlust in people.

I didn’t know Rachel well enough so I don’t know if she deserved to die. I do know she was very anti-American so I won’t miss her. However, keep using your circa 2003 anti-Israel propaganda as it keeps your arguments weak and invalid.

Pablo said:
Never play chicken with a Cat D-9. That’s not murder, it’s a Darwin Award winner.

True… Choosing to die is not murder. She made her choice. Being a human shield is not a job i want.

Color Me Badd said:
FYI Hezbollah is a democratically elected leader of Lebanon and Hamas was also democratically elected in 2006 in an election promoted by the Bush WH.

That was 2005, actually. And when’s the next election?

Hamas in Gaza elections warning

The Islamist movement Hamas has told Palestinians in the Gaza Strip not to take part in elections called by Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas.

Hamas said the elections set for 24 January had been called without its agreement and were illegal.

It said anyone in Gaza who co-operated with the poll would be “dealt with by the ministry or by other means”.

Islamofascist “democracy”: One man, one vote, one time. Yes, the people who voted for Hamas got exactly the government they deserve.

Color Me Bad said:

“Yes lobbing targetless rockets into Israel is exactly the same as using illegal white phosphorous bombs on women and children and targeting hospitals and schools.”

It’s a well known fact that Hama uses human shields. To them, in Jihad, the death of innocent civilians is ok. So by hiding behind women and children, and thus getting those women killed, is part of Jihad. You as a typical sensitive westerner fall for it everytime.

The fact is, Hamas, fires from hospitals and schools knowing that 1). Israel will not return fire, 2). If Israel does return fire then it is a propaganda victory for Hamas as the reports are that Israel fired on schools. Then some ignorant westerner, such as yourself, crys foul.

Here’s some good footage of Hamas fighters firing rockets into Israel just feet from a school.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLbZyWZI3hU

Keeva said:
Hezbollah was elected after they had a hand in killing the leader of the other side.

And the UN is petrified to drop the indictment. They know who did it, but 6 years later, no prosecutions. And the lovely, joyful, wonderful Cedar Revolution has been hijacked by terrorists who are now in charge. Say, that couldn’t possibly happen again, could it?

I’d like to see that old bitch go back to Lebanon. She was never a journalist, she was an OPINION columnist for the AP that the media referred to as a journalist because she’s a woman and it was the politically correct thing to do for many years. I can’t believe so many presidents and press secretaries put up with her, during the Bush administration more than “questions” she made political commentary.

http://libertarians4freedom.blogspot.com/

Keeva said:
Hamas was elected to some seats, but they staged a violent coup the following year to get full control of Gaza. It is the violent cpuip and subsequent oppressive regime that is the problem. Unless you consider dragging people out of their homes and executing them for suspicion of collaboration a good government action.

Hezbollah was elected after they had a hand in killing the leader of the other side.

As far as your Canada thing, turn it around. Suppose Canadians launched rockets every day into Buffalo. How bad would we feel if the US struck back.

Oh, and the rockets Hamas uses? Illegal by the Geneva Convention since they target civilians. Hezbollah rockets? Illegal since they agreed with the UN not to have any more.

There are 2 sides to this, but you sadly only see the one. You also ignore the West Bank which is peaceful and works with Israel.

Your defense of empire has many holes, for one I am very willing to have a debate with you over whether the people of Gaza think that the Hamas leadership is a boon or a negative to them. Lets have that debate.

As far as if the inverse were true if Canada were lobbing primitive rockets into Buffalo, everyone has a right to defend themselves against a warring enemy. But you might want to look at the actual stats on Palestinian vs. Israeli deaths Check out B’Tselem’s numbers if you wish to argue whether the amount of deaths are even close to being even.

http://www.btselem.org/English/Statistics/Casualties.asp

These are just deaths due to acts of war, not even counting the very slow and painful deaths the blockade of Gaza by Israel and Egypt have caused.

The PA were willing to give Israel basically anything they want and Likud walked away from any sort of compromise.

You ask me to see both sides, there aren’t two sides to fact.

More Liberty4 said:
Color Me Bad said:

“Yes lobbing targetless rockets into Israel is exactly the same as using illegal white phosphorous bombs on women and children and targeting hospitals and schools.”

It’s a well known fact that Hama uses human shields. To them, in Jihad, the death of innocent civilians is ok. So by hiding behind women and children, and thus getting those women killed, is part of Jihad. You as a typical sensitive westerner fall for it everytime.

The fact is, Hamas, fires from hospitals and schools knowing that 1). Israel will not return fire, 2). If Israel does return fire then it is a propaganda victory for Hamas as the reports are that Israel fired on schools. Then some ignorant westerner, such as yourself, crys foul.

Here’s some good footage of Hamas fighters firing rockets into Israel just feet from a school.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLbZyWZI3hU

All valid points. Without condoning their actions, however, consider the incredible firepower advantage Israel has versus Hamas and Gaza. You could certainly say Hamas fights dirty. Yet, what other choice do they have?

Color Me Badd said:
The PA were willing to give Israel basically anything they want and Likud walked away from any sort of compromise.

That statement alone tells me that any debate with you is pointless. In 2000, the Palestinians were offered everything they wanted and walked away to start a new round of terrorist attacks. That is history and fact.

You seem to think that Gaza is the only Palestinian land and ignore the West bank since it does not provide you the anti-Israel propaganda you want. You see precisely one side – Israel as the aggressor even though they are the ones that have been repeatedly attacked since their creation in 1948. You and Helen really need to get together for a book burning rally. Make sure to destroy everything that might paint a terrorist face on your beloved Hamas and Hezbollah.

Helen Thomas still isn’t explaining her remarks clearly. “Why should the Israelis have to go anywhere?” she said she should have said — twice. The original question, though, was where should they go. What she meant, obviously from the rest of her comments about America, Alaska, etc., was “Why did the Israelis/Jews have to leave Europe, America, Russia, etc. in the first place? They were not being persecuted after the allies won WWII. They left needlessly and then went and took the Palestinians’ land” Agree with the idea or not, that is what she meant. I don’t understand why she has a problem explaining this. She just sounds like care about what she’s saying *this* time either.

… sounds like she doesn’t care about what she’s saying … (sorry for not re-reading carefully before I posted)

Some funny Helen Thomas pictures:

http://thepeoplescube.com/images/Helen_Thomas_Formaldehyde_M.jpg
http://thepeoplescube.com/peoples_resource/image/1271

From: http://www.thepeoplescube.com.

I have always gotten Helen Thomas and Andrea Mitchell
confused with each other!
They could be twins.
So I won’t comment.

shonangreg said:
… sounds like she doesn’t care about what she’s saying … (sorry for not re-reading carefully before I posted)

When nine hundred years old you reach, care what you say you will not, hmm? ;p

Keeva said:
That statement alone tells me that any debate with you is pointless. In 2000, the Palestinians were offered everything they wanted and walked away to start a new round of terrorist attacks. That is history and fact.

You seem to think that Gaza is the only Palestinian land and ignore the West bank since it does not provide you the anti-Israel propaganda you want. You see precisely one side – Israel as the aggressor even though they are the ones that have been repeatedly attacked since their creation in 1948. You and Helen really need to get together for a book burning rally. Make sure to destroy everything that might paint a terrorist face on your beloved Hamas and Hezbollah.

2000 is ancient history I would highly suggest you check out the You Tube of Joe Scarborough interviewing Zbigniew Brzezinski on that subject though, Brzezinski could be talking to you and your “stunningly superficial” view of what happened in 2000. Read Brzezinski’s book about it, he wrote about it at length. But I have a feeling you never read anything.

I also suggested you google The Palestinian Papers released by Al Jazzera a few weeks ago, it illustrates far better than I can here that the PA were practically begging Israel to make a deal with them for a two states solution as late as 2010. They basically said never.

Please read some more things before you bring your tired Fox News/Joe Scarborough talking points. The fact that you have no idea what happened in the 2000 Camp David summit means I am done speaking with you about this subject. I personally don’t care if you shill for Zionists, most do anyway.

Keeva said:
That statement alone tells me that any debate with you is pointless. In 2000, the Palestinians were offered everything they wanted and walked away to start a new round of terrorist attacks. That is history and fact.

You seem to think that Gaza is the only Palestinian land and ignore the West bank since it does not provide you the anti-Israel propaganda you want. You see precisely one side – Israel as the aggressor even though they are the ones that have been repeatedly attacked since their creation in 1948. You and Helen really need to get together for a book burning rally. Make sure to destroy everything that might paint a terrorist face on your beloved Hamas and Hezbollah.

Since I know you will never look it up on your own.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/12/30/zbigniew-brzezinski-calls_n_154211.html

I am willing to bet Zbigniew Brzezinski knows a little more than you do about the Camp David summit.

Color Me Badd said:
2000 is ancient history I would highly suggest you check out the You Tube

::double facepalm::

Pablo said:
::double facepalm::

Pablo said:That was 2005, actually. And when’s the next election?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/palestine/pa-elections2006.htm

Palestinian Parliamentary Elections 2006

In the 25 January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections, Hamas won a decisive majority in the Palestinian Legislative Council or Parliament. Of the 132-seat Parliament, Hamas won 74 seats, thereby ending the Fatah party’s control of the Palestinian Authority. Fatah managed to win only 45 seats with the remaining 13 seats divided among smaller parties. Voter turnout was high, at 77.7 percent.

:double facepalm, indeed:

im_lovin_it said:
The immediate name outrage and name-calling on this thread shows why this issue has cost so many lives. The Jews suffered the Holocaust. Then the U.N. moved them to Palestine. Palestinians said WTF?!?! And they’ve been at it ever since. Due to this nation’s Judeo-Christian tradition we are unfailing allies of Israel, to a fault even….

are you really this much of an idiot? Israel wasn’t created after the Holocaust, it was REBORN. the Jews weren’t “moved” to Palestine, they’ve been there for thousands of years. they were there for centuries, in fact, before Mohamed came along and basically screwed up Arab culture and learning for–well, forever, so far.

there were no “Palestinian Arabs” in 1948; they were invented out of whole cloth. the UN did approve of the partition, and whether you agree or disagree, there WAS a state set aside for the Arabs, and it’s called Jordan. after the 1948 partition, there were hundreds of thousands of Jewish and Arab refugees. the Jewish ones looked at reality, figured out what they needed to do to survive, and did. the Arab ones, on the other hand, decided to remain refugees because it was only a matter of time before they would destroy the Jews and all the land would return to them.

the so-called Palestinians do not want peace. they want dead Jews. some peace partner!

Ruth Gretzinger said:
are you really this much of an idiot? Israel wasn’t created after the Holocaust, it was REBORN. the Jews weren’t “moved” to Palestine, they’ve been there for thousands of years. they were there for centuries, in fact, before Mohamed came along and basically screwed up Arab culture and learning for–well, forever, so far.

there were no “Palestinian Arabs” in 1948; they were invented out of whole cloth. the UN did approve of the partition, and whether you agree or disagree, there WAS a state set aside for the Arabs, and it’s called Jordan. after the 1948 partition, there were hundreds of thousands of Jewish and Arab refugees. the Jewish ones looked at reality, figured out what they needed to do to survive, and did. the Arab ones, on the other hand, decided to remain refugees because it was only a matter of time before they would destroy the Jews and all the land would return to them.

the so-called Palestinians do not want peace. they want dead Jews. some peace partner!

I actually prefer the simplistic explanation over your Zionist rewrite of history.

shonangreg said:
Helen Thomas still isn’t explaining her remarks clearly. “Why should the Israelis have to go anywhere?” she said she should have said — twice. The original question, though, was where should they go. What she meant, obviously from the rest of her comments about America, Alaska, etc., was “Why did the Israelis/Jews have to leave Europe, America, Russia, etc. in the first place? They were not being persecuted after the allies won WWII. They left needlessly and then went and took the Palestinians’ land” Agree with the idea or not, that is what she meant. I don’t understand why she has a problem explaining this. She just sounds like care about what she’s saying *this* time either.

Zionism, look it up and do some research. The European Jews desire to occupy Israel occured way before WWII. The persecution just gave them the ability to lobby harder for their desires to occupy this piece of land, which Europe then refused to do “see the White Papers”. The Jews didn’t care, and continued to immigrate, illegally, to Israel.

There’s much more to the story. If you do the research then you will understand what Helen is talking about.

Sound bites from partisan resources never tell the whole story.

Color Me Badd said:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/palestine/pa-elections2006.htm

Palestinian Parliamentary Elections 2006

In the 25 January 2006 Palestinian parliamentary elections, Hamas won a decisive majority in the Palestinian Legislative Council or Parliament. Of the 132-seat Parliament, Hamas won 74 seats, thereby ending the Fatah party’s control of the Palestinian Authority. Fatah managed to win only 45 seats with the remaining 13 seats divided among smaller parties. Voter turnout was high, at 77.7 percent.

:double facepalm, indeed:

You’re confusing Parlimentary elections with municipal. This might help you sort the timeline out, assuming that 2005 isn’t ancient history yet. After all, it was the last municipal election in Gaza. And they got the government they voted for.

TangledThorns said:
An antisemitic is your hero? You can criticize Israel’s policies but to tell them all to leave is reprehensible, surely have you more sense.

.
Not only to leave but to “go home” back to Poland and Germany.

I think I once heard that when WWII ended there were only 6,000 Jews left alive in Germany out of the millions in prewar Germany.

That is their “home” that the old hag wants them to go back to.

It is to our shame that she managed to maintain her position for so many long years with such views.

Ruth Gretzinger said:
are you really this much of an idiot? Israel wasn’t created after the Holocaust, it was REBORN. the Jews weren’t “moved” to Palestine, they’ve been there for thousands of years. they were there for centuries, in fact, before Mohamed came along and basically screwed up Arab culture and learning for–well, forever, so far. there were no “Palestinian Arabs” in 1948; they were invented out of whole cloth. the UN did approve of the partition, and whether you agree or disagree, there WAS a state set aside for the Arabs, and it’s called Jordan. after the 1948 partition, there were hundreds of thousands of Jewish and Arab refugees. the Jewish ones looked at reality, figured out what they needed to do to survive, and did. the Arab ones, on the other hand, decided to remain refugees because it was only a matter of time before they would destroy the Jews and all the land would return to them. the so-called Palestinians do not want peace. they want dead Jews. some peace partner!

Sorry, but stating there were no Palestinian Arabs in 1948 is a canard.

The arly use of the term “Palestinian”, as an endonym, was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the local Arabic-speaking population of Palestine began prior to the outbreak of World War I, and the first demand for an Arab state encompassing Palestine was issued by the Syrian-Palestinian Congress on 21 September 1921. After the creation of the State of Israel, the exodus of 1948, and more so after the exodus of 1967, the term came to signify not only a place of origin, but the sense of a shared past and future in the form of a Palestinian nation-state.

You’re either purposfully lying to protect your pride or are simply misinformed.

Color Me Badd said:
So since she burned an American flag she deserved to be run over by an Israeli bulldozer. Defending Israel always brings out the bloodlust in people.

.
No! However, she chose to put herself in that position. After all, she was not a Jew in WWII forced by Nazis into being a human shield.

If I choose to walk home in the middle of the interstate who is to blame if I become road kill other than myself.

Grammie said:
.Not only to leave but to “go home” back to Poland and Germany. I think I once heard that when WWII ended there were only 6,000 Jews left alive in Germany out of the millions in prewar Germany. That is their “home” that the old hag wants them to go back to. It is to our shame that she managed to maintain her position for so many long years with such views.

Sorry Grammie, but you obviously don’t know the history of the region.

An extreme majority of the Jews that now occupy the state known as Israel immigrated, illegally, from all over the globe, not just Poland and Germany, but Russia, China and the US as well.

The concept of Israel stems from Zionism. The political movement was formally established by the Austro-Hungarian journalist Theodor Herzl in 1897 following the publication of his book Der Judenstaat. At that time, the movement sought to encourage Jewish migration to the Ottoman Palestine.

Once again, they were talking about immigrating to Palestine way before either of the WW’s.

They immigrated, many illegally, to Palestine and using Western force were able to carve out a piece of Palestine and rename it to Israel.

The land was stolen, by the West, and given to the Jews.

Imagine if another world power carved out a large piece of the US, the parts with access to ports for commercial and military needs, and gave it to the Native Americans. Then the Native Americans stated their country would be ruled by their religious/spiritual desires…would you be ok with that?

yeah, crickets.

That’s what I thought.

SpineCrusher said:
Sorry Grammie, but you obviously don’t know the history of the region.

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I’m sorry, but you are mistaken.

There were 6,000 Jews left alive in 1945 in Germany and that is where Thomas suggested they return to.

As for the other I’ll refer you to some of the other commenters here who have done an excellent job of giving the history of the region, which BTW goes back to pre Roman times.

We, the US, made a commitment to Israel in 1948. It a commitment of which I’m proud. I expect my country to live up to that commitment.

The so called Palestinians who chose to become refugees in their certainty that they would finish the Nazi’s work for them had the option of relocating, as many Jews did, but chose another path.

she looks like that puppet from Saw

SpineCrusher said:
Sorry Grammie, but you obviously don’t know the history of the region.

An extreme majority of the Jews that now occupy the state known as Israel immigrated, illegally, from all over the globe, not just Poland and Germany, but Russia, China and the US as well.

The concept of Israel stems from Zionism. The political movement was formally established by the Austro-Hungarian journalist Theodor Herzl in 1897 following the publication of his book Der Judenstaat. At that time, the movement sought to encourage Jewish migration to the Ottoman Palestine.

Once again, they were talking about immigrating to Palestine way before either of the WW’s.

Uh oh don’t bring up Theodore Herzl you are only going to confuse these people.

SpineCrusher said:
The concept of Israel stems from Zionism.

Which is that Israel is the home of the Jews, as it has been for thousands of years.

SpineCrusher said:
They immigrated, many illegally, to Palestine and using Western force were able to carve out a piece of Palestine and rename it to Israel. The land was stolen, by the West, and given to the Jews. Imagine if another world power carved out a large piece of the US, the parts with access to ports for commercial and military needs, and gave it to the Native Americans. Then the Native Americans stated their country would be ruled by their religious/spiritual desires…would you be ok with that?

Apples to Oranges, but the Ameroindians do have their reservations.

Pablo said:
Which is that Israel is the home of the Jews, as it has been for thousands of years.

I pray for peace for both sides, Jews and Arabs.

Color Me Badd , SpineCrusher
Why do you hate the Jewish people?

Sorry helen, but you remain as only the SECOND WORST ANTI-SEMITE in America. You MESSIAH has a solid hold on the #1 spot.

Dsiscokid said:
Color Me Badd , SpineCrusher
Why do you hate the Jewish people?

I dont, I just hate you.

Palestine has never been a country. It is not now, nor has it ever been. This region is, and has always been a part of the Jewish homeland.

Color Me Badd said:
Yes lobbing targetless rockets into Israel is exactly the same as using illegal white phosphorous bombs on women and children and targeting hospitals and schools.

Is that the same thing as suicide bombers who are promised 70 virgins fron allah the moon god?

Color Me Badd said:
I dont, I just hate you.

I’m sorry to hear that, ma’am…..

Keeva said:
Hamas was elected to some seats, but they staged a violent coup the following year to get full control of Gaza. It is the violent cpuip and subsequent oppressive regime that is the problem. Unless you consider dragging people out of their homes and executing them for suspicion of collaboration a good government action. Hezbollah was elected after they had a hand in killing the leader of the other side. As far as your Canada thing, turn it around. Suppose Canadians launched rockets every day into Buffalo. How bad would we feel if the US struck back. Oh, and the rockets Hamas uses? Illegal by the Geneva Convention since they target civilians. Hezbollah rockets? Illegal since they agreed with the UN not to have any more. There are 2 sides to this, but you sadly only see the one. You also ignore the West Bank which is peaceful and works with Israel.

Well Stated

More Liberty4 said:
Color Me Bad said: “Yes lobbing targetless rockets into Israel is exactly the same as using illegal white phosphorous bombs on women and children and targeting hospitals and schools.” It’s a well known fact that Hama uses human shields. To them, in Jihad, the death of innocent civilians is ok. So by hiding behind women and children, and thus getting those women killed, is part of Jihad. You as a typical sensitive westerner fall for it everytime. The fact is, Hamas, fires from hospitals and schools knowing that 1). Israel will not return fire, 2). If Israel does return fire then it is a propaganda victory for Hamas as the reports are that Israel fired on schools. Then some ignorant westerner, such as yourself, crys foul. Here’s some good footage of Hamas fighters firing rockets into Israel just feet from a school.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLbZyWZI3hU

Good post

Color Me Badd
I’m waiting for you to site “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” as empirical fact……..

SpineCrusher said:
Sorry, but stating there were no Palestinian Arabs in 1948 is a canard. The arly use of the term “Palestinian”, as an endonym, was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the local Arabic-speaking population of Palestine began prior to the outbreak of World War I, and the first demand for an Arab state encompassing Palestine was issued by the Syrian-Palestinian Congress on 21 September 1921. After the creation of the State of Israel, the exodus of 1948, and more so after the exodus of 1967, the term came to signify not only a place of origin, but the sense of a shared past and future in the form of a Palestinian nation-state. You’re either purposfully lying to protect your pride or are simply misinformed.

And that state was formed and it was called Jordan.

Pablo said:
Which is that Israel is the home of the Jews, as it has been for thousands of years.

Yep, there was Jews there before there were Muslems.

Dsiscokid said:
I pray for peace for both sides, Jews and Arabs.

And attempt to work as peaceful mediators for peace as much as possible for both sides, IMHO.

RichS said:
Yep, there was Jews there before there were Muslems.

Hey, don’t let facts get in the way of an argument :)

What is the “hate”? Israel is taking land from the Palestinians, then getting upset when they are called out on it. They are slowly cutting off food/water to the Palestinians while claiming Hezzbollah is a threat to them.

Ron Paul himself has said we don’t need to aid Israel, they have nuclear weapons, they are not a third world country….

Helen Thomas points out the truth… WTF does this have to do with WW2? WTF does Israel taking people’s land NOW have to do with WORLD WAR 2? NOTHING…

Can’t anyone else see this? It’s not about being anti-semite, it’s about being moral. It’s also about Israel being an imperialist country.

In dramatic turnaround, US to censure Israel in Security Council -

WASHINGTON – In a dramatic departure from longstanding policy, the United States intends to support a United Nations Security Council resolutions censuring Israel for building settlements in Palestinian territory.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/17/in-dramatic-turnaround-us-to-censure-israel-in-security-council-report/

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See? Maybe people should pay attention to her, the same thing she was complaining about is now the exact same reason Israel is being censured. Was she really that out of line? no.

Why should she have any regrets? She was ready to retire with full pension and does not have a worry in the world.
Her hatred flows right out of each and every old dirty pore and it sits on top of her skin for the entire world to witness.

She hates Jews because in particular Jewish women because they are oh so much prettier, or so much more intelligent and have oh so much social decorum.

She should really go into a quiet corner and reflect on her angry life and try to find some spiritual relief…
God bless you Helen of Palestine.

Snowspot said:
What is the “hate”? Israel is taking land from the Palestinians, then getting upset when they are called out on it. They are slowly cutting off food/water to the Palestinians while claiming Hezzbollah is a threat to them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o37GHxeRqGA

Really?

Snowspot:
When was the last time you heard about Israel lobbing rockets into Palestine, just for the hell of it? When did it become appropriate for a group of people, unrecognized by anyone in the world as being a distinct race, or country, able to demand anything from Israel?

Ruth Gretzinger said:
are you really this much of an idiot? Israel wasn’t created after the Holocaust, it was REBORN. the Jews weren’t “moved” to Palestine, they’ve been there for thousands of years. they were there for centuries, in fact, before Mohamed came along and basically screwed up Arab culture and learning for–well, forever, so far.

there were no “Palestinian Arabs” in 1948; they were invented out of whole cloth. the UN did approve of the partition, and whether you agree or disagree, there WAS a state set aside for the Arabs, and it’s called Jordan. after the 1948 partition, there were hundreds of thousands of Jewish and Arab refugees. the Jewish ones looked at reality, figured out what they needed to do to survive, and did. the Arab ones, on the other hand, decided to remain refugees because it was only a matter of time before they would destroy the Jews and all the land would return to them.

the so-called Palestinians do not want peace. they want dead Jews. some peace partner!

No, I’m not that much of an idiot. I was just making a passing historical comment in what I thought would be a rather benign post. Yes, there is obviously more to this story than, “U.N. moved them to Palestine. Palestinians said WTF?!?!” Really, I hope you are proud of yourself for your post.

Also, you said REBORN. Which means, recreated, right? Which means at one point it wasn’t there? So who and what was there during its absence? Lots of people right? Ottomans had it for what 400 years or something? Wasn’t it NOT called Israel for over a thousand years? Please don’t be so dismissive of other people’s intelligence.

Wow, it’s looking better and better for the GOP every day.

First, Gibbs is replaced by Carney; and now, Jews are being pilloried by anti-semites in THEIR Own Party (only blacks, as a group, vote more for Democrats, and that’s not even taking into account political contributions).

I guess for Liberals, it’s not racism or bigotry if it’s Democratic racism and bigotry!
heh – heh

I think if we sent Helen over there in a hot pink negligee, it might smoothe things out for awhile.

Grammie said:
.I’m sorry, but you are mistaken. There were 6,000 Jews left alive in 1945 in Germany and that is where Thomas suggested they return to. As for the other I’ll refer you to some of the other commenters here who have done an excellent job of giving the history of the region, which BTW goes back to pre Roman times. We, the US, made a commitment to Israel in 1948. It a commitment of which I’m proud. I expect my country to live up to that commitment. The so called Palestinians who chose to become refugees in their certainty that they would finish the Nazi’s work for them had the option of relocating, as many Jews did, but chose another path.

You are wrong again Grammie.

We did not make the commitment to Israel. It was England who did. In fact, we backed away and did not agree to the creation of an Israeli country to begin with.

Do some research, please.

Dsiscokid said:
Color Me Badd , SpineCrusherWhy do you hate the Jewish people?

We’re talking about the state of Israel, not the people who live there.

If you want to have a grown up conversation then act like one.

RichS said:
Yep, there was Jews there before there were Muslems.

It’s like blissful ignorance with some of you.

The historical information is there if you just go look for it. Are you too lazy and complacent to educate yourself?

Every comment you are making are soundbites and show that you have no true understanding of the history.

CAconservative said:
Snowspot:When was the last time you heard about Israel lobbing rockets into Palestine, just for the hell of it? When did it become appropriate for a group of people, unrecognized by anyone in the world as being a distinct race, or country, able to demand anything from Israel?

You sir are the worst of the worst. You have no moral compass and are completly biased. Your lack of objectivity is astounding.

Did the Palestinians commit the atrocities against the Jews during WWII? Did the Palestinians have anything to do with Nazi Germany?

Then why sir must they suffer? Why do you let millions of them die and live in poverty as you scoff at those who decry the human rights violations and the annexing of land that the Israeli governement (one of the few Theocracies left in the modern world) forces upon them.

Have you no heart? Do you only care for one ethnicity?

TerryDo said:
Why should she have any regrets? She was ready to retire with full pension and does not have a worry in the world.Her hatred flows right out of each and every old dirty pore and it sits on top of her skin for the entire world to witness. She hates Jews because in particular Jewish women because they are oh so much prettier, or so much more intelligent and have oh so much social decorum. She should really go into a quiet corner and reflect on her angry life and try to find some spiritual relief…God bless you Helen of Palestine.

To say she “hates Jews” is ludicrous and shows that you know absolutley nothing of her personal or professional history.

Don’t forget, all the Semites lived together quite naturally, not always peacefully, until the West came in and declared it a state.

Dsiscokid said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o37GHxeRqGA Really?

Yes, the Israeli side is beautiful isn’t it.

NORBIT Jr. said:
Wow, it’s looking better and better for the GOP every day. First, Gibbs is replaced by Carney; and now, Jews are being pilloried by anti-semites in THEIR Own Party (only blacks, as a group, vote more for Democrats, and that’s not even taking into account political contributions). I guess for Liberals, it’s not racism or bigotry if it’s Democratic racism and bigotry!heh – heh

Interesting, so holding a country’s feet to the fire for breaking international law is now considered “racism and bigotry” by the GOP.

I say the US provide the same amount of foreign aid (including military) to Palestine as they do to Israel.

I have a feeling that would solve the issue very quickly.

But to make it fair would be unfair, right? Since you are obviously a GOP faithful.

SpineCrusher said:
You are wrong again Grammie.

We did not make the commitment to Israel. It was England who did. In fact, we backed away and did not agree to the creation of an Israeli country to begin with.

Do some research, please.

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“BACKGROUND AND ANALYSIS

President Harry Truman recognized Israel on May 15, 1948, within minutes after Israel declared its independence. Past American presidents, encouraged by active support from civic groups, labor unions, political parties, and members of the American and world Jewish communities, supported the concept, articulated in Britain’s 1917 Balfour Declaration, of a Jewish homeland.

After World War II, United States support for a Jewish state grew with the desire to help settle the large number of Jewish refugees, displaced persons, and survivors of the Nazi holocaust. Popular support for Israel among U. S. Jews and significant segments of the Christian community has been supplemented by a general identification with Israel as an advanced democratic society with strong liberal and humanitarian values, as a “pioneering” and innovative nation, and as a beleaguered refuge surrounded by hostile and belligerent Arab neighbors. ”

http://www.policyalmanac.org/world/archive/crs_israeli-us_relations.shtml

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“President Harry S. Truman and US Support for Israeli Statehood

United States support for the partition of Palestine was crucial to the adoption of the UN partition plan and to the creation of the state of Israel. During World War II, the USA was anxious to maintain good relations with Saudi Arabia. President Roosevelt had promised King Saud that the USA would make no policy decisions about Palestine without consulting the Arabs, though Roosevelt tried to enlist Saud’s support for allowing Jewish immigration to Palestine. Following Roosevelt’s verbal promise to Saud to consult the Arabs about Palestine policy, he reiterated the promise in writing on April 5, 1945. However, a week later, Roosevelt was dead, replaced by Vice President Harry S. Truman, and the end of the war created a different political reality as well as bringing the revelation of massive murder of Jews in the Holocaust.

Despite his plainspoken ways, Harry S. Truman had a sweeping grasp of geopolitical realities. He was also a friend of the Jews who had made clear his support for the Zionist cause before WWII. He was strengthened in his resolve to help the Jews following the revelations of Nazi atrocities. On May 25, 1939, following the British White Paper of 1939 that limited Jewish immigration, Truman inserted a remark in the Congressional Record condemning the White paper as a repudiation of British obligations. At a Chicago rally in 1944, then Senator Truman said, “Today, not tomorrow, we must do all that is humanly possible to provide a haven for all those who can be grasped from the hands of Nazi butchers. Free lands must be opened to them.”

Truman wrote in his memoirs, “The question of Palestine as a Jewish homeland goes back to the solemn promise that had been made to them [the Jews] by the British in the Balfour Declaration of 1917 – a promise which had stirred the hopes and the dreams of these oppressed people. This promise, I felt, should be kept, just as all promises made by responsible, civilized governments should be kept.”

Truman was inexperienced in foreign affairs and initially felt he was out of his league and crushed by the burden of his new office and responsibilities. Nonetheless, he did not forget the Palestine question as soon as World War II was over. ”

http://www.mideastweb.org/us_supportforstate.htm

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In spite of your dogmatic claim of absolute truth there seems to be some questions, does there not?

I supported my country’s stance on Israel then as I do now. We made a commitment then that we have, even with the vagaries of some of our presidents, that we have upheld until now.

If this appears twice it was an error on my part since I don’t think I successfully submitted my comment.

I have attempted to submit the same (after rewriting it) comment twice to no avail.

There is no message either. What’s up?

SpineCrusher said:
You are wrong again Grammie.

We did not make the commitment to Israel. It was England who did. In fact, we backed away and did not agree to the creation of an Israeli country to begin with.

Do some research, please.

“President Harry S. Truman and US Support for Israeli Statehood

United States support for the partition of Palestine was crucial to the adoption of the UN partition plan and to the creation of the state of Israel. During World War II, the USA was anxious to maintain good relations with Saudi Arabia. President Roosevelt had promised King Saud that the USA would make no policy decisions about Palestine without consulting the Arabs, though Roosevelt tried to enlist Saud’s support for allowing Jewish immigration to Palestine. Following Roosevelt’s verbal promise to Saud to consult the Arabs about Palestine policy, he reiterated the promise in writing on April 5, 1945. However, a week later, Roosevelt was dead, replaced by Vice President Harry S. Truman, and the end of the war created a different political reality as well as bringing the revelation of massive murder of Jews in the Holocaust.

Despite his plainspoken ways, Harry S. Truman had a sweeping grasp of geopolitical realities. He was also a friend of the Jews who had made clear his support for the Zionist cause before WWII. He was strengthened in his resolve to help the Jews following the revelations of Nazi atrocities. On May 25, 1939, following the British White Paper of 1939 that limited Jewish immigration, Truman inserted a remark in the Congressional Record condemning the White paper as a repudiation of British obligations. At a Chicago rally in 1944, then Senator Truman said, “Today, not tomorrow, we must do all that is humanly possible to provide a haven for all those who can be grasped from the hands of Nazi butchers. Free lands must be opened to them.”

Truman wrote in his memoirs, “The question of Palestine as a Jewish homeland goes back to the solemn promise that had been made to them [the Jews] by the British in the Balfour Declaration of 1917 – a promise which had stirred the hopes and the dreams of these oppressed people. This promise, I felt, should be kept, just as all promises made by responsible, civilized governments should be kept.”

Truman was inexperienced in foreign affairs and initially felt he was out of his league and crushed by the burden of his new office and responsibilities. Nonetheless, he did not forget the Palestine question as soon as World War II was over. ”

http://www.mideastweb.org/us_supportforstate.htm

A different view from your dogmatic assertion of absolute fact.

“BACKGROUND AND ANALYSIS

President Harry Truman recognized Israel on May 15, 1948, within minutes after Israel declared its independence. Past American presidents, encouraged by active support from civic groups, labor unions, political parties, and members of the American and world Jewish communities, supported the concept, articulated in Britain’s 1917 Balfour Declaration, of a Jewish homeland.

After World War II, United States support for a Jewish state grew with the desire to help settle the large number of Jewish refugees, displaced persons, and survivors of the Nazi holocaust. Popular support for Israel among U. S. Jews and significant segments of the Christian community has been supplemented by a general identification with Israel as an advanced democratic society with strong liberal and humanitarian values, as a “pioneering” and innovative nation, and as a beleaguered refuge surrounded by hostile and belligerent Arab neighbors. ”

I think the link to this article is interfering with my comment submission.

You may google american position formation israel and click on the first link.

Helen, I am in awe of your energy, your lucidity, your experience, your achievements, your knowledge and your integrity… I’m glad you’re back!

Keeva said:
Hamas was elected to some seats, but they staged a violent coup the following year to get full control of Gaza. It is the violent cpuip and subsequent oppressive regime that is the problem. Unless you consider dragging people out of their homes and executing them for suspicion of collaboration a good government action.

Hezbollah was elected after they had a hand in killing the leader of the other side.

As far as your Canada thing, turn it around. Suppose Canadians launched rockets every day into Buffalo. How bad would we feel if the US struck back.

Oh, and the rockets Hamas uses? Illegal by the Geneva Convention since they target civilians. Hezbollah rockets? Illegal since they agreed with the UN not to have any more.

There are 2 sides to this, but you sadly only see the one. You also ignore the West Bank which is peaceful and works with Israel.

Some good facts. Funny how the liberals are totally incapable of using facts that are contrary to their preconceived notions.

SpineCrusher:

So, for you, lobbying missiles from Palestine into Israel killing innocent men, women, and CHILDREN, is YOUR idea of a moral-compass?!
Did the “so called” Palestinians commit atrocities against Jews? What the hell do you call killing innocent, non-combatant citizens of Israel? Maybe you could tell us, in your opinion, how the to distinguish between Palestinian terrorists and Nazi’s?
Your talking about suffering the Palestinians have brought on themselves, aren’t you? Leave the Jews alone, and suffering in that whole region stops. Your trying to tell us that Israel doesn’t have the right to protect it’s citizens. What kind of non-sense is that?!
Why do “we” …WE… let millions of Palestinians live and die in poverty? Are you SERIOUS?? When the hell did it become our responsibility to take care of people surrounded by oil-wealthy countries of the same ethnicity?!! Maybe you should be asking yourself why those rich countries are turning their backs on their own people!

Snowspot said:
What is the “hate”? Israel is taking land from the Palestinians, then getting upset when they are called out on it. They are slowly cutting off food/water to the Palestinians while claiming Hezzbollah is a threat to them. Ron Paul himself has said we don’t need to aid Israel, they have nuclear weapons, they are not a third world country…. Helen Thomas points out the truth… WTF does this have to do with WW2? WTF does Israel taking people’s land NOW have to do with WORLD WAR 2? NOTHING… Can’t anyone else see this? It’s not about being anti-semite, it’s about being moral. It’s also about Israel being an imperialist country.

What land was taken from the Palestinians? None. The Ottoman Turks has conquered that land and called it Palestine, which means land of the Philistines. Ain’t no Palestine, Jim. After World War One Great Britian was given a League of Nations Mandate to administer Plaestine. After World War II Palestine was given its freedom, the larger part becoming Jordan and the smaller part becoming Isreal. At the very second that the State of Isreal came into existance it was attacked by the Arab League. Those “Palestinians” always show living in miserable concentration camps are in those camps on the soil of Muslims countries. There are no such camps in Isreal. Now, please, get your facts straight before you make a further fool of yourself.

SpineCrusher said:
It’s like blissful ignorance with some of you. The historical information is there if you just go look for it. Are you too lazy and complacent to educate yourself? Every comment you are making are soundbites and show that you have no true understanding of the history.

You are a fool. When did the first Muslem set foot into what is now the state of Isreal? Do you ever think before you type?