It is very funny watching all the cockroaches scatter. Best. Election. Ever.

In December 2007, Ron Paul had a Tea Party Money Bomb for his 2008 presidential campaign. 

3 Months later, in March 2008, Newt Gingrich films the climate change PSA with Nancy Pelosi.

I don’t think you can honestly question which one has been more consistent.

“by virtue of being seen as an unlikable crack pot, he (Newt) has become an outsider, just like the tea party.”

I agree.  The Tea Klan are unlikable crack pots.

2012 is by far the best election cycle of my life.

It’s going to be even better when Obama gets thrown out.

You mean when small government Republicans unite under the mantle of new ideas led by Newt Gingrich.

 How or why would a Tea partier ever pull the lever for Gingrich? If they do that then they are going against almost everything they supposedly stand for.

Ron Paul actually is the original Tea Party member.  If you actually know what the TP is about and not the propaganda the media has been dishing out, he has been preaching less government, no bailouts, no corporate cronyism, etc.  That is what the TP is actually about. Capitalism is private profit, private losses, NOT private profit, socialized losses.

Here’s an excerpt of a speech given over Labor Day weekend (before anyone had heard of OWS):

Yeah, the permanent political class – they’re doing just fine. Ever
notice how so many of them arrive in Washington, D.C. of modest means
and then miraculously throughout the years they end up becoming very,
very wealthy? Well, it’s because they derive power and their wealth from
their access to our money – to taxpayer dollars.  They use it to bail
out their friends on Wall Street and their corporate cronies, and to
reward campaign contributors, and to buy votes via earmarks. There is so
much waste. And there is a name for this: It’s called corporate crony
capitalism. This is not the capitalism of free men and free markets, of
innovation and hard work and ethics, of sacrifice and of risk. No, this
is the capitalism of connections and government bailouts and handouts,
of waste and influence peddling and corporate welfare. This is the crony
capitalism that destroyed Europe’s economies. It’s the collusion of big
government and big business and big finance to the detriment of all the
rest – to the little guys. It’s a slap in the face to our small
business owners – the true entrepreneurs, the job creators accounting
for 70% of the jobs in America, it’s you who own these small businesses,
you’re the economic engine, but you don’t grease the wheels of
government power.

He’s white. That’s what the Tea Klan stands for.

Yeah, well, you might want to have some excuses handy in case that doesn’t work out for you.  Here, let me help.

(1)  Liberal media (natch)
(2)  Voter fraud
(3)  Liberal media also, again

See, if you start playing up these angles now, they won’t look so stupid and desperate when you inevitably use them in December 2012 onward. 

Just trying to help.

lol

A “liberal” drone that’s been programed to be completely obsessed with race. Big…fucking… surprise.

Oh no you didn’t!  Sadly it’s true.  Teabaggers are racist, old and uneducated.

Well Illusive considering that the republicans have only has 5 representatives in the house and senate who were african american since 1919 he does sort of have a point:)

The Tea Party is uneducated yet blacks are far more likely to drop out of high school than any other race. 

The Tea Party started in 2007 and was mostly a bunch of Ron Paul supporters.  Here is the local news coverage of a Tea Party rally on December 16th, 2007:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8LsnbN7d-8

By the way….. George Bush was still President and Barack Obama was just a long shot candidate.

Oh yeah, blacks are also more likely to smoke crack than any other race, but ti’s the Tea Party that’s stupid. 

Picture this–Big Brother sitting on the edge of the tub while you’re sitting on the pot. I’ll take three copies.

No, he doesn’t. Wood is just emotional and consumed by hate. As most “liberals” are.

So, Cons like Newt because he’s like how Charlie Sheen’s been this past year? He’s popular because America loves to watch a car crash?

HILARIOUS

WINNING!!!!!! LOL

Ah yes. I remember seeing one in Minneapolis on that day. 

Ron Paul isn’t the answer – he’s a doddering isolationist fool who thinks we can put the geo-political genie back in a 100 year old bottle. That isn’t my brand of Tea-Party Conservatism and as a rugged individualist, I bristle at Glenn Beck and others when they tell me how to cast my vote.. 

I’m with Eric Bolling on this. We can not abandon our ship of state in foreign waters. Ron Paul is the wrong answer.

Ron Paul can’t get elected. He does keep a group pulled together that will vote as a block against Obama, so that’s good. The Tea Party is just this cycle’s version of the Moral Majority and who will also vote as a block against Obama, so that’s good. We need a President who will scare the piss out of our enemies, that man is Newt Gingrich, so that’s good too. 

No matter how you slice it the republicans have had only 5 african americans represent them in almost 100 years, the democrats have had well over 100.  At some point you have got to call that a pattern.

I love how they prove me right.  Psst…Tim…you’re supposed to temporarily conceal your virulent racism and then accuse me of being obsessed with race for pointing out how racist you are.

Didn’t you get the playbook?

I love how they prove me right 2x.

I love how you have no facts to prove me wrong. 

Kind of like a pattern over the past 3000 years of almost all great contributions to the liberal arts coming from white men? 

“he’s a doddering isolationist”

The neocons caught you hook, line and sinker with the isolationist lie. 

May providence forbid…

Right.  This was before the movement was co-opted by a bunch of know-nothing neo-cons trying to portray themselves as outsiders (Palin and others).  The tea party of today represents very little of what was going on with Ron Paul’s movement in 2007.  

If the shoe fits, Ron Paul should wear it.

To Tim Malone, I suggest you read guns, germs and steel its a very informative on the reasons for your last comments.

I actually think there is a lot of the original Tea Party from 2007 mixed in with the current expanded Tea Party.  And I would certainly not call Sarah Palin an insider.  Seeing Ron Paul close to 1st place in the latest polls in Iowa tells me the Tea Party still contains a big libertarian influence.

Eric Bolling is completely wrong on this and it is very provable. Look at YouTube or some newspapers from 2007.  

To label Ron Paul an isolationist is the pinnacle of inanity.  Our current foreign policy is isolationist.  It is not synonymous with non-intervention — unless, of course, you define the antonym of isolationism to be having 700+ military bases in 150+ countries paying for the national defense of supposedly sovereign nations while exerting the will of our corrupt political ruling class around the world.  Attitudes like yours will see us bankrupt with hyperinflation and lots of dead soldiers with their families wondering why we were ever over there in the first place.  

I do, however, compliment you on rebuking Glenn Beck when he tells you how to vote (though he certainly hasn’t told you to vote for Ron Paul).  Beck and all the other pundits are caricatures of themselves.

Ron Paul’s supporters will vote against Obama, that is true.  However, they will never vote for anyone other than Ron Paul.  Unless the GOP wises up and stops undermining Dr. Paul’s campaign, they will either see Obama’s second term or a Ron Paul presidency in another party.  Newt and Romney have no chance.

Looking forward to vote Ron Paul in 2012!

After this, he will not be asked to come back. You’re not supposed to talk about Ron Paul. Your “choices” are Newt & Romney. That Ron Paul guy is a nut.  The media is supposed to tell you who you’re supposed to pay attention to. Obey. They will keep you safe. Obey.

I hope you are right that the tea party still contains a big libertarian influence.  I have not seen that.  Sarah Palin became status quo really quickly.  

They wouldn’t,,,,, the Neocons are just trying to convince you that they have redefined the Tea Party… No real Tea Party people are listening to this bull at all.  It is all propaganda. Trust your neighbors not the media that wants to group and divide us all.

So being friends with other nations, and trading with them peacefully and not meddle in their affairs is isolationism. 

No. It is not. It is the foreign policy of the U.S. 
Principles come first. I don’t let lies about how Iran will destroy the U.S. or Israel scare me dumb. It’s war propaganda. If you can’t see it, then I’m sorry for you. It’s bullsh1t. The longer we stay over there, the more Muslims will resent us and the more radicals we’ll breed. Revolving door recruitment. .

Not true,,,, don’t buy the media definitions of anything including the Tea Party Patriots that are really all just individuals of a similar mind set on the Constitution that are standing together as individual free persons and are really not a “party” at all
The lack of central organization  is the power of the movement.
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What’s wrong with you warmongers? You all are the real extremists. “Scare the piss out of our enemies.”

I can’t wait for you to wake up in a fascist America and realize the very false sense of security you sought, is the same security that removes your constitutional liberties. 

Don’t be naive and think it can’t happen here. It already has, little by little. Say goodbye to the 4th amendment.

Insideguy, I have read that. I suggest you read “Understanding Human History” which debunks many of Diamonds theories. 

It’s not possible to be for free trade and be an isolationist. If you wanna see isolationists, look at mid 17th to mid 19th century Japan. 

I will pick it up thank you. I suggest you try not to sound like a person who believes their race is superior in some way to all others.

I really don’t need any, Tim. 

I’m sure you think that your “crack” point is unassailable, but making sweeping generalizations based on race…is pretty much a textbook definition of racial bigotry.

I’m not really interested in participating in an argument where the subject is: “is white supremacy justified?”  You yourself are an example of white people who are most definitely inferior.

I’m just grateful that you personified Tea Klan racism for me.

You might have a point about Wood, since Glenn Beck made the same argument.

And has the Tea Party been around since 1919? What connection are you trying to make? It surely isn’t based on logic

And the Democrats created the KKK and Bull Connor was a Democrat. (You know, the guy who sent the dogs after black people and sprayed them with fire hoses when they were walking down the street). 

If you want to play this game to make an illogical connection I’ll play all day. 

You are proving his point that people are so hypersensitive to race discussions because of political correctness. Whenever you hear the word ‘black’ in a sentence, you automatically think racism.

Although this is an irrelevant point, it’s not racist to say that blacks smoke crack at a higher rate than other races. Are facts based on racial statistics somehow racist? 

Crack Cocaine is more prevalent in poor black communities than any other racial demographic. How is that a racist statement? He’s not saying that all blacks smoke crack, he’s saying that its more common in the black community.

You ought not be so hypersensitive to racial statistics. Political correctness makes you fear the truth because it might ‘offend’ someone

No just saying the tea party are mostly conservatives and the party that is identified with conservatives don’t elect black men. Make of it what you will.

Ill play the game all night long Guy. And ill win that game.

Again, you are ignoring facts just because they are racial statistics. African-American students have higher high school drop out rates than other races. How is stating that fact racist? 

Facts are assumptions to liberals. 

Actually, every President that has served in office since the Cuban Trade Embargo is a isolationist. Ron Paul as President wants to open trade with ALL nations including Cuba, This would make him the FIRST non-isolationist President since JFK.

Well if what you say is correct then if this tea party votes for Gingrich it will be the end of them.

Guns, Germs, and Steel is an attempt to deny reality.  The notion that all races are precisely equal is insanity.

The ‘out of Africa’ depiction is also insanity.  Anyone who understands evolution understands that if a species separates from the original group, it evolves new and different traits from its original group.  To say that these groups are identical is moronic.  They’re NOT.  There are clear, observable, differences between the two groups, and that’s not even getting into the more complicated, not easily observable, differences.   

The ‘out of Africa’ theory is over-simplified to explain that all human beings moved out of Africa in a concerted effort at the exact same time.  What if over the course of 60,000 years, 400 different groups moved out at different times and each developed its own tiny differences.  Some of those groups developed higher brain capacity, some developed stronger muscular traits, etc.?  Is it racist to acknowledge this?  In reality, yes.  It is completely racist to say that one group of people is different from another group.  I can hardly call this science – it’s the exact opposite.

You are correct when you say that Ron Paul supporters will vote as a block against Obama.  However, they will also vote as a block against any status quo candidate. The Paul supporters who are ex-republican and right-leaning independents will most likely either write in Ron Paul or vote 3rd party (assuming Paul doesn’t run 3rd party..).  The left leaning independents and blue dems who support Dr. Paul will either vote 3rd party or swing back to Obama.

If Ron Paul is not the GOP nominee, Obama wins in a landslide.

Most true Ron Paul supporters would as soon have another 4 years of a war-mongering big-spending democrat as 4 years (with an incumbent running in 2016) of a war-mongering big-spending republican.  By 2016 enough people will have awakened that liberty will prevail — assuming there is anything left of our country by 2016.

So a fair election process that doesn’t automatically result in a black man winning the election is somehow racist? You’re making it sound like you want affirmative action for politicians.

Just because there are few black GOP congressmen does not at all mean that the GOP is racist. There are so many other outliers that your race obsessed mind can’t realize exist. 
Based on your logic, MSNBC is the most racist network because they consistently have less black anchors than FOX and CNN. MSNBC only added Sharpton because they were criticized by black groups for having too many white newscasters on the network. 

So some grew smarter and others grew stronger. Hmmm so you discount all of guns,germs and steel? How do you account for Black scientist,doctors,lawyers and engineers then? Do you discount this or is it just a coincidence? Do you then say that Asians are smarter than white people because they kick our asses on tests? And are Americans stupider than europeans because they know multiple languages, and also kick our asses on academic tests?

I didn’t say what you just wrote in your first paragraph Ry. But you are in denial when your side has had 5 black men and no black women represent you in almost 100 years. You think these are just coincidental statistics? Like I said your side has chosen over 100 years not to elect black people to represent you. Now you can make excuses for this but then you would be denying the obvious.  My mind is not race obsessed in any way shape or form. You then went on a rant about Sharpton which has no relevance what so ever to this discussion. The conservatives in this day in age are just what their name implies. They do not wish to move forward they generally wish to move back to a time in which they believe the country was better. They were against gays in the military, they are afraid that our culture is being destroyed, they are paranoid that their religion is being taken away from them and many don’t believe in evolution or modern scientific methods. Now you can not really argue this. But in the long run you will lose, and you know it. You can argue that Democrats were once racist and I would agree many were. But these democrats were conservatives and they were rolled over by history just as the modern conservatives will be. Social and scientific change is happening everyday and those living in the past will become relics just as the men were who were against women voting and against blacks from voting. Just as the men in the Catholic Church were left in the dust by the enlightenment. Its inevitable.

Dear Ryguy,

Both points are socioeconomic, and have precious little to do with skin color.  There are plenty of white crack smokers, and plenty of whites who drop out of high school.  Poorer people of all races are more likely to smoke crack and poorer people are more likely to drop out of high school.

But Tim isn’t a real deep thinker, so he thinks this proves some point about all black people.  That is one indicator that he is a racist. 

“How is stating that fact racist?”

Connecting it to race is what makes it racist, stupid.

the rule for this election is very simple–who does the least to piss off paul supporters.  whichever side manages that, manages to clear one major obstacle of concerted effort of at least 10% of a very cooperative, highly energized grassroots work against him.  you republicans in name only can keep attacking paul and alienating supporters, just know that many of paul’s supporters did not have political allegiance before 07 but came into politics at the coincidental timing of financial crisis which paul predicted, essentially granting paul a political-teacher like status among many supporters.  to assume you owned these people’s political allegiance all along is ridiculous.

even some establishment libertarians tried to attack paul, and in fact libertarian party is split right down half half for and against paul right now.  make no mistake, allies and enemies are distinguished very clearly by paul supporters.  if we aren’t afraid to split from libertarians, whom media likes to smear paul as, what makes republicans in name only the ego to think differently of the outcomes here.  disagree with paul supporters all you like, political discourse is good and necessary, but, smear and attack paul and his supporters un-courteously as mark levin, see what happens.

Libertarianism and Ron Paul supporters are the only semi-rational movements in American conservatism today. The rest of the party is a struggling dinosaur. I think in a battle of wits, Liberals would win against Libertarians, but no doubt if we had an honest battle, both sides would learn something.

So why don’t we Liberals help our Libertarian brothers and sisters. If we crossed over party lines and voted in primaries for Ron Paul and supported other Libertarian candidates, then we could help give them a chance. Then two positive ideologies could battle it out.

I think Libertarianism would fail to win general support as it is only an hypothesis — one that should be tested before being applied to the country at large. There are no tests going on in north Texas or eastern New Hampshire or wherever. Libertarians aren’t even talking about the need to validate their hypotheses, but this will become apparent. I am sure of it — if only they can get a chance.

What is there to be afraid of? There is no hope for the rest of Republicanism. Conservatism needs to rise again from the ashes. Libertarianism is the only decent thing it has going for it.

And Liberalism will have a chance of being purified from its own cronyism, exclusion, cliqueishness, corruption, and outright naivete in what government can do.

I don’t shy away from such a battle. Let’s join together! The Occupy Wallstreet Movement and “the” Tea Party. We can both rid our house of its leeches if we work together.

Eric Bolling has ‘Paul Derangement Syndrome’, just like Mark Levin! He starts to froth at the mouth and go all ‘Tourettes’ whenever his name is even MENTIONED! Very funny to watch- like the Horses in Mel Brooks’ “Young Frankenstein”…

“BLUECHER!”  (Horse Whinnies)

“RON PAUL” (Ninnies WHine)

I see we are now headed into phrenology territory.

Why are Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Barack Obama so much smarter and more accomplished than you are?

Thanks, Daniel Key, for continuing to prove my point.  Teabaggers are quite racist.

Why would small government Republicans have anything to do with Newt?  He’s the most liberal of the Republican field currently, by his own admission.

Unless you’re being sarcastic, in which case I’m blaming the internet for not installing a “sarcastic” tag for text.

Sarcasm sir.

Actually, just a side note, brains in an IQ sense often don’t have as much to do with success in the world.  Tenacity and a high functioning ability to measure individuals around each other are coming out as more indicative of success.

High IQs are often linked with higher than normal rates of depression and social anxiety.

Fact of the matter is, society makes up for just about everything that the genepool has given advantagewise or taken away in every case.  Pretty weird.

 Their attitude is if you make ideas simple it makes life much simpler. For many it is to difficult to actually delve into   their perceived ideas to deeply. They fear what they might discover.

Not only did Ron Paul hold the first Tea Party march on December 16, 2007, it can be argued that Ron Paul fathered the “ANONYMOUS” use of Guy Faulkes masks with his November 5, 2007 money bomb, with it’s “Remember, Remember the Fifth of November” theme that broke all records for online daily fund raising with Six million raised!

Non-inteventionist.  Get your facts straight.  And Ron IS THE ORIGINAL TEA PARTIER.  It was his grassroots who created the Tea Party.  Newt is a big government liberal and I think the Democrats are being very smart here, they want Newt as the GOP nominee thats why they are pumping him up as a Tea Partier.  They’re hoping the GOP voters will come to his defense and rally around him.

Also lest we forget George W Bush’s foreign policy he ran on in 2000, which is very similar to Ron Paul’s. With one exception, Ron Paul actually means what he says.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=F9SOVzMV2bc

The original Ron Paul Tea Party and the expanded group calling itself the tea party now still share a lot in common with Ron Paul’s platform when it comes to cutting spending.  Let us not forget the tea party stumped for Rand Paul in Kentucky.  So they do not dislike Ron Paul or his family as much as you might think.  The difference is Rand is politically better at getting essentially the same message across.  But there is very little difference between him and his father.

and why do you support Obama,because he’s black? you stupid racist

that’s all you silly ant-Ron Paul retards can say about his supporters is they are racist because you have nothing else or you would drop the race issue,come on lets here it you sorry racist come on!!

Did I say I support Obama because he is black?  I vaguely support Obama because the alternatives are worse, but like many lefties I’m disappointed in him.

I will confess that I enjoyed voting for Obama because I knew it would drive racist wackjobs crazy.

Well I have read the Ron Paul political report, so I think there is good reason to suspect Paul of racism, but I’m also opposed to Ron Paul because I know what the Austrian School of Economics is.  Do you?

You are you only fool in this comversation.

Bullshit. You ever heard of the Weimar Republic? 1934, look it up. That is where we are imminently headed as a nation if we don’t END THE FED. Krugman and some Yuppie Keynesians are calling for even MORE STIMULUS. Can’t let that happen…let’s cut $1 Trillion (w/a T) from the budget instead. Ron Paul 2012: Save America

This gave me goosebumps. You seem to be a left-minded individual, but you figured out on your own what Ron Paul has been saying forever. It’s what the whole Revolution is about: United we stand, divided we fall. The media and the political parties keep us going forever in a left-right continuum. But that continuum swings up and down as well. And right now the 1% at the top are coming down hard and squeezing the middle class via false loans and “quantitative easing.”

We also hate Government Bailouts. Nothing should be too big to fail in America.

It’s not isolationism buddy, it’s non-interventionism. Look up the difference or continue to be controlled by blood-thirsty Neo-Cons

If Ron Paul doesnt get the GOP nomination I will be voting obama 1000%.

Boeling has  his head where the sun don’t shine.

Only Ron Paul CAN beat Obama.

If, Ron Paul gets the GOP nomination: Ron Paul gets the following voters:

(A) 2008 Obama voters who thought they were going to get ‘Change’
(B) 2008 Obama voters who voted to end the wars.
(C) The VAST majority of the Independent vote, 
(D) The entire GOP voting block who dislikes Obama enough to vote for Ron Paul instead. 
(E) Ron Paul supporters coming out to vote in DROVES.
(F) Same-sex couples who want to be set free.
(G) Democratic, disillusioned Anti-Drug war voters.
(H) Libertarians.

 Ron Paul and America wins! 

Newt has no chance that is true. But Romney has a chance.

That speech I quoted from was given by Sarah Palin.  You know….the ignorant, snowbilly, right-wing, leader of the God squad radical republican that is stupid.  and racist.

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/transcript-sarah-palins-iowa-speech

It is very similar in message from this speech from Ron Paul:
http://youtu.be/HmEOv_rT8LQ

Or this video from a TP rally in TX:
http://youtu.be/_uP2SIcj-X8

and numerous other videos and ed/ops, but I don’t have time to look for them because I have to go to work.  But they are there for anyone interested….or just continue to drink up the propaganda.

Difference btw Ron and Sarah Palin: One is an honest, 12 term representative. The other is a lying, pandering half-term governor. Did she steal some of Paul’s ideas? Yes, the other night at the end of the debate Romney and Perry each pandered to Paul’s supporters and Gingrich’s call to audit the Fed is literally a page out of Paul’s book.

That’s right Bolling,Hannity,Oreilly, and of course DICK Morris you have no power over the people and we are sick of the way you treat Dr Paul.
Ron Paul 2012

I cannot believe how much people don’t understand how the “Tea Party” got started. It was started by Ron Paul voters when we money bombed his campaign 4 years ago this Friday. It was then later turned into something much different by a bunch of people who misunderstood the original idea in the first place. While Ron Paul is the original Tea Partier the Tea Party as it is today is NOT 100% value-aligned with Ron Paul. Do not confuse the two. And as for the Tea Party having anything to do with Gingrich WTF are you kidding me?? I’m going to “go apoplectic” myself!

Argument by association logical fallacy – try debating with honesty rather than smear tactics.

I would call Sarah Palin an “aspiring” government insider.

Paul has figured out where all the WMD’s from Iraq went! They must have sold em to Iran!

Keep lapping up that war propaganda and pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.

Yes we should elect Newt and continue to expand our empire indefinitely so that we can fall apart in exactly the same way as our closest historical analogy Rome did.

Haha they have already basically placed us under martial law with bill 1867, allowing them to basically lock up american citizens indefinitely whenever they want with a simple accusation.

Romney is Obama, there is no tangible reason to vote for one over the other, so if they put Romney up I will cast a protest vote for Paul.

If they put Gingrich up I almost feel forced into voting for Obama - which is more than likely their true intent if they end up running him. Obama is actually a pretty good president if you are a neocon, certainly they would rather have him than Ron Paul.

If they end up supporting Newt sadly that is the only logical conclusion. I am hoping that they will do better but we will see.

On a side note, does anyone ACTUALLY know ANYONE other than a few internet trolls who are for Gingrich? Like anyone from real life? I sure as hell dont….