“or to be mad at all Jews when Woody Allen makes a bad movie.”

Good line. :-)

We should take a lesson in tolerance from the Muslims. Just look at all the Christian churches they allow in the area of Mecca. They do allow them, don’t they?

Sure writer, they allow them….wink … wink!

This commentator is a “goner” too when the buyout is complete!

writer said:
We should take a lesson in tolerance from the Muslims.

Wrong. We should take a lesson from our Founding Fathers. Our history allows for religious and political freedom, both of which are precious commodities in today’s world.

But hey, if you want to act like the Saudi’s, go for it!

BFD, does that religious freedom also include Mormons? I notice you always mocking Michelle for being a Mormon. Is that the kind of freedom you’re talking about? Or does your sympathy only extend to Islam?

writer said:
BFD, does that religious freedom also include Mormons? I notice you always mocking Michelle for being a Mormon. Is that the kind of freedom you’re talking about? Or does your sympathy only extend to Islam?

Yes, it does include Mormons. I wouldn’t advocate denying the right to build a Mormon Church anywhere in America. We have a spectacular one in San Diego. Shiny.

You seem to have a problem with both religious freedom and my right to free speech to criticize religion.

Why do you hate America?

We can’t stop the mosque, they have the right to build it. We have the right to protest it, disagree with it, and point out plainly that the only reason they are building it and dedicating it on Sept 11 is to give us infidels a big hearty “fuck you”. If anybody out there doesn’t see it for what it is (a stick in our eye) then they are truly blind (or an appeasing liberal who’ll lick the balls of terrorists right up until their throat is slit).

The important thing is, once construction is complete, we make damn sure the property on the left becomes a 24 hour strip club and porn shop with a 3-way liquor license, the property on the right becomes a pork barbeque pit (open 24 hours) and across the street let’s open up a Kennel.

Don’t hate America, BFD. Just far lefties who cherry pick whom to sympathize with based on political correctness.
Yeah, you’ve got freedom of speech to mock any religion you want. But curiously, when it comes to Muslims, there’s always more compassion than mockery coming from you. Are you a Muslim, and that’s why you can mock everyone but them?

writer said:
Are you a Muslim, and that’s why you can mock everyone but them?

No, I’m not, but more importantly, why do you mock ONLY THEM?

When you can answer that question honestly you will understand why I defend them.

Say whatever you guys want, but until every single one of you has studied, in depth, the word taquiyya, nothing you or anyone says about this situation is at all important. It could have gold toilets and the New Yorkers would be thrilled. But what goes down that hole is what you all better think about real hard. Look up the word and understand it. Then post!

Actually, BFD, I don’t find it necessary to mock anyone’s religion. But when talking about tolerance for others’ views, Islam isn’t exactly leading the pack. Personally, I think if anyone has the money to buy a piece of property, they should be able to build whatever they want. If someone bought land next to Auschwitz and wanted to open a German beer garden, they’d have every right to do so. But some things are just insensitive and in poor taste. That’s the part you don’t understand.

“Anyone who opposes a new swimming pool in Manhattan does so at great peril”

Can you use the facilities if you’re not Muslim?

writer said:
But some things are just insensitive and in poor taste.

Our constitution doesn’t protect you from insensitivity and poor taste.

Get over it.

Sure, BFD. If this was Christians wanting to build a church near Mecca, you’d be mocking the hell out them, calling them a bunch of bigoted fanatics and every other name you could think of. If you were consistent in defending or mocking everyone equally your argument would have some validity. But we all know you cherry pick when to defend and when to mock. Gotta stay with those rules of political correctness.

Whew, thanks! I was dying to know what Toure thinks. I’d also love to know his thoughts on the Spanish/American war & just how those pyramids were built. After he’s done, I hope to hear from Punky Brewster & Downtown Julie Brown.

BTW, your analogy about Germany and the Beer Garden doesn’t hold yup.
If it was Al Qaeda who wanted to build next to ground zero you would have a point.

That’s you problem, you equate ALL Muslims with Al Qaeda.

>>”If this was Christians wanting to build a church near Mecca, you’d be mocking the hell out them, calling them a bunch of bigoted fanatics and every other name you could think of.”<<

Wrong. I would think that was funny as hell.

Not equating all Muslims with Al Qaeda. Just as today’s Germans shouldn’t be equated with Nazis. But some things are just insensitive. Out of all of New York, the only place they could think of to locate a mosque was near ground zero? And BFD, given the way you mock Christianity, (yet never seem to mock Islam) I have trouble believing that you’d think a church near Mecca was ‘funny’. I think you’d have a few less humorous comments. But hey, maybe you’ve turned over a new leaf, huh?

to be mad at all Jews when Woody Allen makes a bad movie.”

That would be always and poor child, please as a lib apologist, don’t draw a moral equivalence between the death of 3000 Americans and a mundane Allen movie, you irresponsible POS!

writer said:
I have trouble believing that you’d think a church near Mecca was ‘funny’. I think you’d have a few less humorous comments. But hey, maybe you’ve turned over a new leaf, huh?

I’m not going to argue hypotheticals with you, especially hypotheticals with you telling me how I would act.

Stupid, it is.

Toure says it is ‘Islamophobia’ that leads the opposition the structure.

Neda Bolourchi must be a Muslim Islamophobe. in today’s WaPo: A Muslim victim of 9/11: ‘Build your mosque somewhere else’

I know Ground Zero is not mine alone; I must share this sanctuary with tourists, politicians, anyone who chooses to come, whatever their motivations or intentions. But a mosque nearby — even a proposed one — is already transforming the site from a sacred ground for reflection, so desperately needed by the families who lost loved ones, to a battleground for religious and political ideologies. So many people from different nationalities and religions were killed that day. This site should be a neutral place for all to come in peace and remember. I believe my mother would have thought so as well.

Pablo said:
A Muslim victim of 9/11: ‘Build your mosque somewhere else’

Yeah, victims are always the most rational and fair on the issues.

That’s why we let them decide justice in America. lol

BFD, I was being hypothetical and was giving you the benefit of the doubt, saying you may have turned over a new leaf. Tell you what. Next time the subject of Muslims or Islam comes up, we’ll wait for all of your jokes about ‘honor killings’ or women having to be ‘covered’. Since you’re able to mock all religions and not just some of them, I’m sure it’ll be a laugh riot.

writer said:
BFD, I was being hypothetical and was giving you the benefit of the doubt, saying you may have turned over a new leaf. Tell you what. Next time the subject of Muslims or Islam comes up, we’ll wait for all of your jokes about ‘honor killings’ or women having to be ‘covered’. Since you’re able to mock all religions and not just some of them, I’m sure it’ll be a laugh riot.

Each consecutive post of yours in this thread has gone down in intelligence and up in childishness.

Soon you will be an infant posting.

Then I’d be on your level, BFD. LOL Can’t wait for all those Islam jokes. I bet you’re coming up with some real knee slappers right now.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Yeah, victims are always the most rational and fair on the issues.

Better she should just shut her uppity yap, eh BFD?

August 08, 2010

Newsweek columnist says US funding mosque construction

Lee DeCovnick

. . . . To that end, early in its tenure the Bush administration began a serious effort to seek out and support moderate Islam. Since then, Washington has funded mosques, schools, institutes, and community centers that are trying to modernize Islam around the world.

We should be encouraging groups like the one behind this project, not demonizing them. Were this mosque being built in a foreign city, chances are that the U.S. government would be funding it.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/08/newsweek_columnist_says_us_fun.html

If the people that oppose this particular location for a Mosque also were against building one anywhere the lefty loons that are posting here would have a point. As usual they don’t have a point. I don’t know anyone that opposes them building that Mosque anywhere else in New York.
You have to understand how libs argue. When they can’t win they set up a strawman arguement and if that doesn’t work they yell racism and if that doesn’t work they just LIE.
This Mosque is will NEVER be built. The Mob controls cement in New York. No cement no Mosque. The construction unions control the construction. They won’t build it. If the unions and the people of New York block access to the building the police will not move them. If Bloomberg orders them to move the protesters they will tell him to shove it. If he calls in the National Guard they will tell him to shove it.
So all you jerks that are posting supporting the terrorists can shove it. It will not be built.

Pablo said:
Better she should just shut her uppity yap, eh BFD?

Nope, didn’t sat that. Basically I was saying it was foolish of you tout the victim as the voice of reason when that is obviously seldom the case. Usually they are the voice of emotion.

You righty’s love putting your words in others peoples mouths..

gordonbloyershow said:
I don’t know anyone that opposes them building that Mosque anywhere else in New York.

Mosques are being opposed and defaced all over this country right now.
You should read a newspaper occasionally.

>>”The Mob controls cement in New York.”<<

Thank God we have the Mob to uphold justice in this country. lol

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Basically I was saying it was foolish of you tout the victim as the voice of reason when that is obviously seldom the case.

Did you say that about Shirley, BFD?

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Mosques are being opposed and defaced all over this country right now.
You should read a newspaper occasionally.

Links?

BFD has never been shy about mocking any religion. It’s just that with Islam, it’s so tolerant and peaceful, he just can’t think of anything bad to say.

Pablo said:
Links?

Facts…

In Murfreesboro, Tenn., Republican candidates have denounced plans for a large Muslim center proposed near a subdivision, and hundreds of protesters have turned out for a march and a county meeting.

In late June, in Temecula, Calif., members of a local Tea Party group took dogs and picket signs to Friday prayers at a mosque that is seeking to build a new worship center on a vacant lot nearby.

In Sheboygan, Wis., a few Christian ministers led a noisy fight against a Muslim group that sought permission to open a mosque in a former health food store bought by a Muslim doctor.

Why are Muslims and their leftist allies so insensitive and intolerant of other people and points of view?

Why can’t this mosque be built somewhere else?

Since this structure is about religious tolerance and understanding, will it also contain a church and a synagogue? Why not?

writer said:
It’s just that with Islam, it’s so tolerant and peaceful

Hmmm…you said you don’t mock any religions and yet here is a thinly veiled sarcastic attack on Islam.

Very interesting.

No, BFD. It’s an openly sarcastic attack on your hypocrisy. I don’t care what religion anyone is, and don’t go out of my way to mock them. But I think all of them have good points and bad points. My point is, since all religions have things you could make fun of, why do limit yourself only to Christianity?

writer said:
I don’t care what religion anyone is, and don’t go out of my way to mock them.

Obviously you just did. lol

Yeah, BFD. And I’ve also told and laughed at ‘a preacher and a rabbi walk into a bar’ jokes. I don’t personally mock any particular individual for their religion, like you do with Michelle. I can also point out things I think are silly in Christianity. Saying that the world is only a few thousand years old, for example. But I do that with all religions and don’t single anyone out personally. But you pretend to be fair, and you’re not. You will only point out things about Christianity, but when it comes to Islam, then you suddenly believe in being ‘understanding’. What a hypocrite.

Pablo said:
Did you say that about Shirley, BFD?

Pigford v. Glickman, Shirley Sherrod, Barack Obama

Uh-Oh Of The Day

By Bob Parks Sunday, August 8, 2010

Have any of you wondered why we haven’t heard much from those arrogant liberals who danced to the “Breitbart got’cha” dance and why the president hasn’t asked all parties involved to chill…?

Only now am I realizing the real purpose for Breitbart’s release of that tape snippet.

It appears that Ms. Shirley Sherrod had just unwittingly exposed herself as the perpetrator of one of the biggest fraud claims in the United States – a fraud enabled solely because she screamed racism at the government and cowed them into submission. And it gets even more interesting. Ms. Sherrod has also exposed the person who aided and abetted her in this race fraud.

As it turns out, the original judgment of “Pigford v. Glickman” in 1999 only applied to a total of 16,000 black farmers. But in 2008, a junior Senator got a law passed to reopen the case and allow more black farmers to sue for funds. The Senator was Barack Obama.

I wonder if those loud-mouthed libs still want to talk to Andrew?

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/26324

“timzank says:
We can’t stop the mosque, they have the right to build it. We have the right to protest it, disagree with it, and point out plainly that the only reason they are building it and dedicating it on Sept 11 is to give us infidels a big hearty “fuck you”. If anybody out there doesn’t see it for what it is (a stick in our eye) then they are truly blind (or an appeasing liberal who’ll lick the balls of terrorists right up until their throat is slit).

The important thing is, once construction is complete, we make damn sure the property on the left becomes a 24 hour strip club and porn shop with a 3-way liquor license, the property on the right becomes a pork barbeque pit (open 24 hours) and across the street let’s open up a Kennel.”

tim, I’m sure I’d disagree with you on many other things, but this is the best solution and answer I’ve seen so far…yes if they want to build there in downtown Manhattan let them have it, and everything else that goes along with it.

Education: It wasn’t a religion that did the bombing, it was 19 crazy islamists.
Too many Americans are blinded by hate that it wouldn’t matter what was built there, some group of Americans is going to object.
Here’s my take, the radical Muslim is so because America is such an easy target, why, because they are everwhere in the Middle East where most Muslims don’t think they should be. And as long as Americans continue flex their muscle in the Middle East, there will always be a drive for extremists in the Muslim community.
Americans have a very short history, of being bad to themselves, and others unlike them.

BFD

Wow, I missed that news from Murfreesboro, Tenn, Temecula, Calif and Sheboygan, Wis. How could that have happened. Wow, I just saw it on Fox News.
I bet they are blocking that Mosque in your hometown of Brain Dead, Mass. too.

Latest poll, 61% of New Yorkers oppose the Mosque.

by the definition of the mosque opponents a catholic church cannot be built near schools and daycare centers because priests raped little boys

Pablo said:
Did you say that about Shirley, BFD?

Sweet pwnage Pablo

Granting all the best intentions, should this masque be built, it will become a magnet for all the jihadist wannabes of the world, to collect and inspire, in New York City—figuratively and literally in their “New Mecca.”

I’ve noticed muslims love insisting we in the US practice meticulous religious pluralism–but when we’re less than perfect, we’re called racists and islamophobes.

What they seem to love less–judging from their inaction–is calling for religious pluralism in lands where islam is dominant.

Has the guy behind this ground zero mosque ever called on Saudi Arabia to treat all religions equally under the law–or even allow the open practice of other faiths?

If he hasn’t, someone should provide him with a very public forum to call for the building of a Christian Cathedral in the shadow of Jabal al Nour. Let’s see what HIS principles REALLY are.

Religious pluralism for us; for them? Not so much.

Just so everybody is up to speed this mosque thing ain’t a done deal.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/half_baked_mosque_8ItuaW0WIByZa5xZ0rCmpJ

Sue said:
Say whatever you guys want, but until every single one of you has studied, in depth, the word taquiyya, nothing you or anyone says about this situation is at all important. It could have gold toilets and the New Yorkers would be thrilled. But what goes down that hole is what you all better think about real hard. Look up the word and understand it. Then post!

Just checked it out, Sue — seems to be the exact interpretation the Republicans used to justify their continued lying 2001-2009. Thanks, now that I looked it up I understand Republicans much better. “This is a kind of situation ethics which permits Republicans to lie about almsot anything to achieve their agenda (see invasion of Iraq, Sarah Palin’s death panels, Grassley’s assertion he’d be bi-partisan)
There is considerable evidence that extremist Tea Partiers have extrapolated from this and will lie – or dissimulate if you prefer – for their own agenda and history revisionism, i.e., mangling the attitudes and positions of the founding fathers and appropriating symbols of the Revolutionary War.

Bill Adkins said:
what you all better think about real hard. Look up the word and understand it. Then post!

Just checked it out, Sue — seems to be the exact interpretation the Republicans used to justify their continued lying 2001-2009.

Right. The centuries old Islamic concept of taquiyya is all about Republicans, except it’s now about Tea Parties too. Frigging genius. You’d better have someone check your needle, Bill, because it’s stuck in the one groove.

Pablo said:
Right. The centuries old Islamic concept of taquiyya is all about Republicans, except it’s now about Tea Parties too. Frigging genius. You’d better have someone check your needle, Bill, because it’s stuck in the one groove.

Stupid is as stupid does, stupid. Read it again and note I said “the exact interpretation the Republicans used to justify their continued lying 2001-2009.” Leading their followers down the wrong path is exactly what the Republicans and Islamic extremists have in common. Watch out for that last step, lemming.

Yes, Bill. I noted both your genius and your obsession.

I’m reminded of a recent British documentary about radical islam in the UK. One of the radicals told one of the interviewers–after the interviewer quoted to the radical the sweet, reassuring words of a “moderate” muslim: “They say one thing to you; they say another thing to us.” No doubt, Osama bin Laden’s view is that a new mosque–any mosque–a stone’s throw from the WTC is progress for islam’s eventual conquest of the West.

BFD
Can you read? I said anywhere else in New York. Not anywhere in the country. That is why libs never get anything right. They make up stuff.

writer said:
We should take a lesson in tolerance from the Muslims. Just look at all the Christian churches they allow in the area of Mecca. They do allow them, don’t they?

As many as mosques and synagogues are allowed in Vatican City!

Here’s a better analogy: there are quite a few churches (and even synagogues) in Baghdad and Istanbul.

Sean68 said: a new mosque–any mosque–a stone’s throw from the WTC is progress for islam’s eventual conquest of the West.

Quite an arm that can throw a stone the equivalent of two football fields, and through all those buildings too!

Funny it’s called the “Ground Zero Mosque,” since it’s neither at Ground Zero, nor a mosque (more like the Muslim equivalent of a YMCA). Kinda like the Holy Roman Empire, “it is nether holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.”

Maybe it should be called the NOT Ground Zero NOT Mosque!

@Big_F-ing_Deal

“We should take a lesson from our Founding Fathers” -Big_F-ing_Deal

Oh, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams had already to deal with Islam!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War#Background_and_overview

Please, America do not fool your self like we do/did!

Greetings from Europe

ReFlex76 said:
Quite an arm that can throw a stone the equivalent of two football fields, and through all those buildings too! Funny it’s called the “Ground Zero Mosque,” since it’s neither at Ground Zero, nor a mosque (more like the Muslim equivalent of a YMCA). Kinda like the Holy Roman Empire, “it is nether holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.”

What are you, in third grade? “Stone’s throw” is an expression, not intended to be taken literally. The site is/was close enough to be hit by the landing gear of one of the planes that crashed into the WTC.

As for the term “Ground Zero Mosque” — that’s what the muslims who are putting it up are calling it on their website. The actual name is something like The Cordoba Islamic Center. “Cordoba” of course was the capital city of islamic Spain.

You think they chose that name while throwing darts at a board?

ReFlex76 said:
Quite an arm that can throw a stone the equivalent of two football fields, and through all those buildings too! Funny it’s called the “Ground Zero Mosque,” since it’s neither at Ground Zero, nor a mosque (more like the Muslim equivalent of a YMCA). Kinda like the Holy Roman Empire, “it is nether holy, nor Roman, nor an empire.”

Of course that quote comes from Voltaire. A man, like me, who thought islam the most foul and loathsome of the various human superstitions.

Sean68 said:
Of course that quote comes from Voltaire. A man, like me, who thought islam the most foul and loathsome of the various human superstitions.

Well, maybe not the MOST foul and loathsome. But foul and loathsome nonetheless!

I’ll quote from their homepage: http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/our-mission

„Our Mission: Cordoba Initiative aims to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, BRINGING BACK the atmosphere of interfaith tolerance [?] and respect [?] that we have longed for since Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in harmony [?] and prosperity [?] eight hundred years ago [in Al-Andalus -> therefore Cordoba Initiative].“ (everything between [ ] is from me)

And now read this article by Andrew G. Bostom: Confused Islamic Apologetics
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1243

It’s about a critique of Feisal Abdul Rauf’s (main man behind the Cordoba Initiative) book “What’s Right with Islam”!

allat said:
I’ll quote from their homepage: http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/our-mission „Our Mission: Cordoba Initiative aims to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, BRINGING BACK the atmosphere of interfaith tolerance [?] and respect [?] that we have longed for since Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in harmony [?] and prosperity [?] eight hundred years ago [in Al-Andalus -> therefore Cordoba Initiative].“ (everything between [ ] is from me) And now read this article by Andrew G. Bostom: Confused Islamic Apologeticshttp://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1243 It’s about a critique of Feisal Abdul Rauf’s (main man behind the Cordoba Initiative) book “What’s Right with Islam”!

“Bringing back” as in those lovely peaceful golden years of islam in Spain. So long as you’re cool with being a second-class citizen and paying protection money to the government and not freely practicing your non-muslim religions etc. and so on.

Can anyone name ONE religious dissident from islamic Spain? The reason you can’t is because they didn’t permit dissent. In other words, you dissent; you die. Sounds like a lovely place doesn’t it? Let’s see what this muslim thinks of interfaith tolerance and respect if the West treated muslims like muslims treated non-muslims in this self-serving fantastic image he had of life for non-muslims under islam.

Voltaire, to take just one example, pissed all over christianity while hobnobbing around Europe with a variety of christian potentates.

allat said:
@Big_F-ing_Deal “We should take a lesson from our Founding Fathers” -Big_F-ing_Deal Oh, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams had already to deal with Islam!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War#Background_and_overview Please, America do not fool your self like we do/did! Greetings from Europe

A few years back much was made about Thomas Jefferson’s supposed respect and appreciation of islam because he owned a koran. A former nation of islam (i.e., black muslim racist cult) member, Keith Ellison was elected to congress and he asked to be sworn in on a koran–fine by me–but there were some rumblings. In a very clever move, Ellison asked to be sworn in on Jefferson’s koran. The media facilitated the Jefferson’s koran con. The reason Jefferson owned the koran–as Christopher Hitchens (peace be upon him) abley explained–was to try and understand why a bunch pirates were robbing, killing, and enslaving American merchant seamen and justifying by reference to the koran.

Jefferson tried to reason with them; that didn’t work. The U.S. Marines however proved much more effective.

@Sean68
I know this story. But here, the media is even worse!

Here, a little, simplified comparison:
In the U.S. you have on the left MSNBC, CNN, abc. And on the right you have FoxNews and Talk Radio!
On both sides you often have guests with fundamentally different views and then they are allowed to debate, to argue ,etc. Finally people at home can decide!

Here in Europe, we only have “MSNBC” and no debates!
But fortunately we still have Internet…thanks to the U.S. military!;)

allat said:
@Sean68I know this story. But here, the media is even worse! Here, a little, simplified comparison:In the U.S. you have on the left MSNBC, CNN, abc. And on the right you have FoxNews and Talk Radio!On both sides you often have guests with fundamentally different views and then they are allowed to debate, to argue ,etc. Finally people at home can decide! Here in Europe, we only have “MSNBC” and no debates!But fortunately we still have Internet…thanks to the U.S. military!;)

Brother, you have my sympathies. The Left has an even greater monopoly on the media over there than they do here, which is a frightful thought, because the only reason Fox News and right-wing talk radio exists (and is so successful) is because they fill a huge gap in the US media.

The reason Fox crushes the competition in the US is because almost ALL conservatives watch Fox. The liberal audience has the three major networks (ABC, NBC, CBS), all public broadcasting outlets, most major newspapers, magazines, CNN, MSNBC, all of academia etc. and so on.

The universities function as a blast furnace and conveyor belt that produces hard-left ideologues or soft-headed liberals (i.e., people who aren’t overtly political but have internalized as normal the various assumptions of the left) and these are the people who are making the decisions as to what we see, hear, and think about the world. They’ve basically taken control of our country and I fear it’s too late. As soon as any movement takes shape to oppose it–for example, tea parties, anti-illegal immigration groups–they are immediately crushed under the weight of an orchestrated media campaign that is always slanderous and, alas, usually effective.

I can’t believe the hypocritical and inaccurate stuff that comes out of the mouths of rightwingers. Freedom of religion is not just a concept, it’s basic right. The Muslim Center is not at ground zero, it’s a 3 or 4 blocks away which is a a good distance in Manhattan. As for the argument that you can only have mosques in Saudi Arabia – of course, that’s true, but the oily Saudis are probably our most reprehensible political ‘friends’ on the planet. From the example of rightwing commentary shown on this website, I feel that these views are those of desperate people who know their time is coming to an end. We’ve had many know-nothing movements in the past and they eventually peter out. This is why the fascist instincts of a minority of Americans have usually been swept away by the good common sense of the majority

Polls show a majority of people don’t want the mosque near ground zero. They’re all ‘fascists’?

allat said:
@Big_F-ing_Deal

“We should take a lesson from our Founding Fathers” -Big_F-ing_Deal

Oh, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams had already to deal with Islam!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War#Background_and_overview

Please, America do not fool your self like we do/did!

Greetings from Europe

No, that’s how you deal with pirates!

writer said:
Polls show a majority of people don’t want the mosque near ground zero. They’re all ‘fascists’?

A majority of people once supported slavery!

allat said:
I’ll quote from their homepage: http://www.cordobainitiative.org/?q=content/our-mission

„Our Mission: Cordoba Initiative aims to achieve a tipping point in Muslim-West relations within the next decade, BRINGING BACK the atmosphere of interfaith tolerance [?] and respect [?] that we have longed for since Muslims, Christians and Jews lived together in harmony [?] and prosperity [?] eight hundred years ago [in Al-Andalus -> therefore Cordoba Initiative].“ (everything between [ ] is from me)

And now read this article by Andrew G. Bostom: Confused Islamic Apologetics
http://www.campus-watch.org/article/id/1243

It’s about a critique of Feisal Abdul Rauf’s (main man behind the Cordoba Initiative) book “What’s Right with Islam”!

Muslim Moor Spain: Christians and Jews allowed to practice their religion freely!

Christian Spain: Jews and Muslims get The Inquisition!

Heck, that’s the reason Columbus had to use a remote port: all the main ports were clogged with Jewish families fleeing the coming Christians!

Sean68 said:
What are you, in third grade? “Stone’s throw” is an expression, not intended to be taken literally. The site is/was close enough to be hit by the landing gear of one of the planes that crashed into the WTC.

As for the term “Ground Zero Mosque” — that’s what the muslims who are putting it up are calling it on their website. The actual name is something like The Cordoba Islamic Center. “Cordoba” of course was the capital city of islamic Spain.

You think they chose that name while throwing darts at a board?

Beautiful city, Cordoba, as many Spaniards would agree!

Sean68 said:
What are you, in third grade? “Stone’s throw” is an expression, not intended to be taken literally. The site is/was close enough to be hit by the landing gear of one of the planes that crashed into the WTC.

As for the term “Ground Zero Mosque” — that’s what the muslims who are putting it up are calling it on their website. The actual name is something like The Cordoba Islamic Center. “Cordoba” of course was the capital city of islamic Spain.

You think they chose that name while throwing darts at a board?

Still NOT Ground Zero, stil NOT a mosque!

Sean68 said:
“Bringing back” as in those lovely peaceful golden years of islam in Spain. So long as you’re cool with being a second-class citizen and paying protection money to the government and not freely practicing your non-muslim religions etc. and so on.

Can anyone name ONE religious dissident from islamic Spain? The reason you can’t is because they didn’t permit dissent. In other words, you dissent; you die. Sounds like a lovely place doesn’t it? Let’s see what this muslim thinks of interfaith tolerance and respect if the West treated muslims like muslims treated non-muslims in this self-serving fantastic image he had of life for non-muslims under islam.

Voltaire, to take just one example, pissed all over christianity while hobnobbing around Europe with a variety of christian potentates.

No one had reason to dissent in Muslim Spain, THAT is why you never hear of them! Now, under Christian Inquisition Spain . . .

ReFlex76 said:
No, that’s how you deal with pirates!

Yeah, you’re right! That’s how you deal with pirates, who acted in accordance to Islam!

Have a nice day

ReFlex76 said:
Muslim Moor Spain: Christians and Jews allowed to practice their religion freely!

Yeah, as a dhimmi! You should look up what that means!

ReFlex76 said:
Christian Spain: Jews and Muslims get The Inquisition!

Heck, that’s the reason Columbus had to use a remote port: all the main ports were clogged with Jewish families fleeing the coming Christians!

Yeps, but the didn’t act in accordance to the gospel!

I want to see someone do a high dive while wearing a burka.

allat said:
Yeah, you’re right! That’s how you deal with pirates, who acted in accordance to Islam!

Pirates always have excuses.

Happy Ramadan!

allat said:
Yeah, as a dhimmi! You should look up what that means!

Yeps, but the didn’t act in accordance to the gospel!

Looked it up: “dhimmi” only applies to Sharia Law; not relevant to the notoriously secular (by Middle Ages standards) Muslim Moor Spain.

So, peaceful coexistence in Muslim Moor Spain vs. the horrors of The Inquisition; an obvious choice!

Happy Ramadan!

check this from Australia, France, Pakistan….look at MN and NYC….

Australian Prime Minister does it again!

It took a lot of courage for this man to speak what he had to say for the world to hear. The retribution could be phenomenal, but at least he was willing to take a stand on his and Australia’s beliefs.

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd – Australia

“Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks..

Separately, Rudd angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation’s mosques. Quote:

‘IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It.
I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.’

‘This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.’

‘We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society . Learn the language!’

‘We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.’

‘This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE’.’

‘If you aren’t happy here then LEAVE. We didn’t force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.’ “

Maybe if we circulate this amongst ourselves in Canada & USA, we will find the courage to start speaking and voicing the same truths. Check this http://downloads.cbn.com/cbnnewsplayer/cbnplayer.swf?aid=17933
http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/profiles/blogs/palestinians-have-missle

Here’s a word from Spain, directly.

EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ

The following is a copy of an article written by Spanish writer Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez and published in a Spanish newspaper on Jan. 15, 2008. It doesn’t take much imagination to extrapolate the message to the rest of Europe – and possibly to the rest of the world.

REMEMBER AS YOU READ – THIS WAS IN A SPANISH NEWSPAPER

Date: Tue. 15 January 2008 14:30

ALL EUROPEAN LIFE DIED IN AUSCHWITZ

By Sebastian Vilar Rodrigez

I walked down the street in Barcelona, and suddenly discovered a terrible truth – Europe died in Auschwitz. We killed six million Jews and replaced them with 20 million Muslims. In Auschwitz we burned a culture, thought, creativity, and talent. We destroyed the Chosen People, truly chosen, because they produced great and wonderful people who changed the world.

The contribution of this people is felt in all areas of life: science, art, international trade, and above all, as the conscience of the world.

These are the people we burned.

And under the pretense of tolerance, and because we wanted to prove to ourselves that we were cured of the disease of racism, we opened our gates to 20 million Muslims, who brought us stupidity and ignorance, religious extremism, and lack of tolerance, crime, and poverty, due to an unwillingness to work and support their families with pride.

They have blown up our trains and turned our beautiful Spanish cities into the third world, drowning in filth and crime. Shut up in the apartments they receive free from the government, they plan the murder and destruction of their naive hosts.

And thus, in our misery, we have exchanged culture for fanatical hatred, creative skill for destructive skill, intelligence for backwardness and superstition.

We have exchanged the pursuit of peace of the Jews of Europe and their talent for a better future for their children, their determined clinging to life because life is holy, for those who pursue death, for people consumed by the desire for death for themselves and others, for our children and theirs.

What a terrible mistake was made by miserable Europe.

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Yes religious tolerance is a good thing but when Islamic people repeatedly flaunt their religion to get things their own way a line eventually needs to be as to where an end is put to it. It’s called religious freedom, not religious takeover or religious blackmail or religious coercion. The simple fact that they want a mosque there is not a sign of religious freedom, it shows a lack of respect for America. Keep America American and stop handing the country over to each new people as they enter our country.