I don’t know much about meth labs, and will need to defer to Mr. Stewart’s expertise in this area.

Having fully reassumed his position as the most respected voice on the American left last week,

Frances, Mr. Stewart called. He wants you to pickup his dry cleaning, wash his car and give him a tongue bath.

Oh, never mind. This piece will do just fine.

This site is a hoot sometimes, it really is.

Watching Laura Ingram in for Bill O’Reilly tonight, she (and I think it was the legal analysts) brought up some interesting points regarding the legislation. They said it was rather carefully crafted, but (more importantly) designed so that the police couldn’t simply stop someone for “looking out of place,” they had to stopped them for another reason prior to asking for identification. In other words, no police officers will be walking the streets saying, “Hey you!” But if you run a stop sign, while giving you a ticket, the officers might ask for proof of residence.

Furthermore, they also pointed out that folks who are here legally, but from another country, are required by law to carry ID on them at all times. If you have a green card, apparently, you’re supposed to keep that with you… so an officer asking to “see your papers,” is something you should already be in possession of. Yet again, it’s not extra enforcement of the laws, it’s just enforcement of the already standing laws.

BUT, since half the people on this site just had their eyes gloss over when reading the above… I’ll ask the easy question and move along: If not this bit of legislation, what should Arizona do to curb the violence, drug trafficking, and smuggling that is plaguing their state now? What would be a more appropriate action?

ImNotBlue says- what should Arizona do to curb the violence, drug trafficking, and smuggling that is plaguing their state now?

Maybe hold President Obama accountable for his promise to do something about immigration during his first year in office? Just a thought…

Jack Burns says:
April 27, 2010 at 10:41 pm

Maybe hold President Obama accountable for his promise to do something about immigration during his first year in office? Just a thought…

Holding Obama accountable?! Well, clearly you’re just a racist…

The comedian, clearly, hasn’t read the law.

Stewart looks very illegal to me.

“Watching Laura Ingram in for Bill O’Reilly tonight, she (and I think it was the legal analysts) brought up some interesting points regarding the legislation. They said it was rather carefully crafted, but (more importantly) designed so that the police couldn’t simply stop someone for “looking out of place,” they had to stopped them for another reason prior to asking for identification. In other words, no police officers will be walking the streets saying, “Hey you!” But if you run a stop sign, while giving you a ticket, the officers might ask for proof of residence.”

I saw that segment but since Laura (who’s terrible btw) supports the law, she did not play devil’s advocate like O’reilly normally does. For example, in the case above, what would give the officer REASONABLE SUSPICION to ask the driver for proof of residence? Isn’t it plausible that they will ask HISPANICS that question more than they would ask a white guy? The “reasonable suspicion” in this case would be race or national origin. Can’t you see the issue there? Furthermore, cops could find any bullshit PC reason to pull you over if you were hispanic for the sole purpose of inquiring your immigration status. How do you think blacks get profiled? Ever heard of ‘driving while black?’ Statistics prove this! It’s quite telling how naive some of you are not to see how LEOs can abuse this law to infringe citizen’s rights. Not only that, due to threat of lawsuits for not enforcing the law, they will be incentivized to profile even more to cover their butts.

Stewart has insulted meth lab operators everywhere.

felixw says:
April 27, 2010 at 9:46 pm

I don’t know much about meth labs, and will need to defer to Mr. Stewart’s expertise in this area.

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I shouldn’t do that, Felix when you have at your call a woman with far greater expertise, the Drop Out Governor of Alaska whose state and hometown are the Meth Lab Capital of Amerika.

… it was rather carefully crafted, but (more importantly) designed so that the police couldn’t simply stop someone for “looking out of place,” they had to stopped them for another reason prior to asking for identification.

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Indeed that makes me feel much, much better. Ingraham. Much, much better. What a shame Lou Dobbs wasn’t available.

Ihre Papiere, bitte. Beeilen Sie sich!

Stewart is the ‘Meth Lab of satire,” so I guess that makes things somewhat even.

phony queen and aap/gbm win the daily award of “hypocrite of the day.” Enjoy!

It’s too bad that in his brief recap of recent Arizona laws, he missed that earlier this month, they joined a handful of other states in testing the Federal authority to regulate guns.

Jon’s just another ignorant lib, who has no idea all the AZ law says is it will enforce EXISTING FEDERAL LAW!. The Daily Kos really should update their talking points for these clowns so they don’t look so stupid.

Is profiling per se wrong and/or illegal?

I don’t think it is. Both as individuals and institutions we all use profiling every day to navigate life. So the question, to me, is will the profiling be based on a reasonable statistical and/or situational basis that removes the taint of prejudice in its improper sense.

Is there a probability that there will be some of that? Absolutely! Is that a legitimate reason to automatically scrap the entire law before it even starts? Not to me b/c virtually every law, rule and custom can be and probably is abused!

Averreauxii says:
April 28, 2010 at 5:07 am

I saw that segment but since Laura (who’s terrible btw) supports the law, she did not play devil’s advocate like O’reilly normally does.

I actually agree. Not a Laura fan.

For example, in the case above, what would give the officer REASONABLE SUSPICION to ask the driver for proof of residence? Isn’t it plausible that they will ask HISPANICS that question more than they would ask a white guy?

Perhaps. Of course, the converse of this situation (the “we’ll do it to everyone” play) is the same thing folks complain about at the airports. Is there any need to screen the 80 year-old grandmother? It’s called common sense.

The “reasonable suspicion” in this case would be race or national origin. Can’t you see the issue there?

Absolutely! And I’m not saying I’m a fan of this legislation. I am saying, however, that it’s: (a) understandable, with the Feds not willing to do anything… and the left complaining, but offering no alternatives; and (b) not the “horror” that some have falsely portrayed it as.

Furthermore, cops could find any bullshit PC reason to pull you over if you were hispanic for the sole purpose of inquiring your immigration status. How do you think blacks get profiled? Ever heard of ‘driving while black?’ Statistics prove this!

Yeah… I’m not sure those stats are to be trusted. I remember quite a few of those “studies” coming from unreliable sources, and being debunked soon after. And if the feel their rights have been violated, and being that this provision is already in the law, they could always sue. I’m sure there are plenty of ACLU lawyers ready to make the case!

It’s quite telling how naive some of you are not to see how LEOs can abuse this law to infringe citizen’s rights. Not only that, due to threat of lawsuits for not enforcing the law, they will be incentivized to profile even more to cover their butts.

Well… what’s a better alternaive?

The Real Royal King says:
April 28, 2010 at 7:43 am

Indeed that makes me feel much, much better. Ingraham. Much, much better. What a shame Lou Dobbs wasn’t available.

I know, I know… reporting the ACTUAL FACTS is annoying, when you’re intent on fabricating your own.

Of course, you’ve once again proven yourself a fraud. Remember when you said a while back that you don’t like nastiness on either side, and would thusly call it out. Then you claimed you had never heard or seen “Bovine.” Yet, in this case… “Bovine” has posted something AMAZINGLY offensive to a multitude of people BEFORE you posted!

And yet… nothing. Again… you’re a fraud.

ImNotBlue says:
April 28, 2010 at 8:03 pm

TRRK had the unmitigated gall to lie that blatantly about “Bovine”.

Both he AND that piece of GlenBovine trash made a game for months on end of constantly harassing a commenter named Royal King (clever of TRRK) with the most repulsive accusations of bestiality hence their endearing term Bovine for him.

Of course, he alternated that with describing Cecelia and I as fag hags, drunken Nazi sluts, senile drunken whores all interspersed with his pious “All the Marys in heaven” and recounting of his sublime pleasures in the season of Advent and his declaration of his saying Novenas for someone as vile, nasty and mean as I.

TRRK is a real piece of work. I’ll give him this over GlenBovineKolys, though, he can under absolute necessity reign his true nature in enough to not get banned here permanently.

Grammie says:
April 28, 2010 at 10:31 pm

Just keep sending “Bovine’s” comments to their “tips” link.

Eventually, Mediaite will get the message.