Tea Bagger comes in hard with a slider….Stewart doesn’t hesitate and takes a hard cut…..500 foot shot over the left field wall….

Stewart 3,057 Tea Baggers 0

Comedy channel.

Wow, that joke works…………………If the hearings were about investigating people who won’t denounce Terrorism. But that’s not what the hearings are….so it’s just another out of context clip.

turk281 said:
Wow, that joke works…………………If the hearings were about investigating people who won’t denounce Terrorism. But that’s not what the hearings are….so it’s just another out of context clip.

Could you explain to me what the hearings are and what they are supposed to accomplish?

You get more news from the Comedy Central then regular news. So we find out that King is really a terrorist sympathizer. He might need to be brought up on charges for Aiding and Abetting the enemy.

I think it would have been great to investigate the mafia by holding hearings on all Italians , and questioning Catholic churches in Italian neighborhoods. I’m pretty sure that would have encouraged patriotism and cooperation among Italian Americans.

Hey if ya’ll believe that crap about Muslims being taught to lie to infidels as part of Muslim doctrine, then what the hell good will King’s public hearings do?

CosmosDan said:
Could you explain to me what the hearings are and what they are supposed to accomplish?

I’ll try to answer that. The hearings are a garish waste of time that will allow people on both sides of the issue to grandstand and have lots of time on television. The desired accomplishment is that Peter King will get lots of money and votes.

How does that sound?

Religion of Peace said:
Comedy channel.

dem radical Musli
And the funniest joke of all is this terrorist sympathizer is chairing a committee about those evil radical Muslims who are citizens of our country, in many cases.

Peter King is chair of the Homeland Security Committee. Due to the fact that homegrown terrorism is considered to be the biggest threat according to Janet Napolitano and Eric Holder, it’s his job to investigate Americans who have become radicalized.

Sorry that they happen to be Muslim. The mob happened to be Italian, and there are a lot of Catholic priests who happen to abuse kids. These things need to be investigated.

radical Muslims who are citizens of our country,
——–

A homegrown terrorist is still a terrorist. Hasan=homegrown and coddled by the left.

turk281 said:
Peter King is chair of the Homeland Security Committee. Due to the fact that homegrown terrorism is considered to be the biggest threat according to Janet Napolitano and Eric Holder, it’s his job to investigate Americans who have become radicalized.

Sorry that they happen to be Muslim. The mob happened to be Italian, and there are a lot of Catholic priests who happen to abuse kids. These things need to be investigated.

KKK groups are on top of that list maybe he should investigate those groups.

Pretty funny how the new far left talking point is “peter King is a terrorist defender” all the while he’s trying to keep these same far left loons safe. I say drop ‘em of in the sunni triangle and see how long they coddle islamofascists. ;)

Yoda002 said:
KKK groups are on top of that list maybe he should investigate those groups.

How many planes have they flown into buildings, df? How many crowds have they fired into, df? I’ll personally pay for your ticket to the sunni triangle, df.

“The IRA has the same moral standing as the British Army.”

That is like a congressman saying the Israeli army has the same moral standing as Hamas. He should recuse himself from the hearings since he has no moral standing of his own.

Lebowitz=comedy channel.

Yoda002 said:
KKK groups are on top of that list maybe he should investigate those groups.

No, just because the SPLC says there are more official hate groups in the racist white power/black power movements doesn’t mean they’re more dangerous. After all racists are just racist assholes basically.

We’re talking about radical religious nuts attempting to kill people.

Politically correct moral equivalency is ridiculous and you know better than that.

It’s not illegal to hate people, it is illegal to try and kill them.

Religion of Peace said:
How many planes have they flown into buildings, df? How many crowds have they fired into, df? I’ll personally pay for your ticket to the sunni triangle, df.

Ingrown terrorism is what we have to worry about. Because a few radicals flown planes into buildings 8 years ago your going after the biggest religion in the world. Nobody was coddling Hasan either. All King is trying to do is win brownie points for the Tea Party and keep you afraid very afraid.

Yoda002 said:
Ingrown terrorism is what we have to worry about. Because a few radicals flown planes into buildings 8 years ago your going after the biggest religion in the world. Nobody was coddling Hasan either. All King is trying to do is win brownie points for the Tea Party and keep you afraid very afraid.

Nobodies trying to go after a religion.

Why do YOU equate going after a small faction of fanatic murderers with the majority of good decent law abiding Muslims??

turk281 said:
No, just because the SPLC says there are more official hate groups in the racist white power/black power movements doesn’t mean they’re more dangerous. After all racists are just racist assholes basically.

We’re talking about radical religious nuts attempting to kill people.

Politically correct moral equivalency is ridiculous and you know better than that.

It’s not illegal to hate people, it is illegal to try and kill them.

But inside those groups are a few nuts that can go off at any time and they usually don’t strike in large numbers. But If you’re scared of 1.2 billion people then there is not much we can do about that.

Yoda002 said:
But inside those groups are a few nuts that can go off at any time and they usually don’t strike in large numbers. But If you’re scared of 1.2 billion people then there is not much we can do about that.

Yoda002, I understand you don’t want to demonize a religion or culture. Nobody wants that.

But if you honestly don’t see the difference between a declared jihad and racist hate groups…we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

turk281 said:
Yoda002, I understand you don’t want to demonize a religion or culture. Nobody wants that.

But if you honestly don’t see the difference between a declared jihad and racist hate groups…we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

King isn’t trying to go after certain groups but he is going after the general muslim population, which I don’t believe he really cares about it; he is just trying to distract and cause fear to improve his approval ratings within the Tea Party. Its all a political game.

Nobody was coddling Hasan either.

——-

I beg to differ. Shows how uninformed you really are.

Nah, Stewart isn’t dull and predictable.

And of course, Stewart couldn’t have included the following in his political hit job…:

Three of King’s grandparents came from Ireland, but apart from a granduncle who fought for Irish independence in the early part of the last century, he was not from a family with any commitment to revolutionary politics in Ireland. When violence first broke out in Northern Ireland, King dismissed the IRA as “a bunch of crazy people.”

…it wouldn’t have fit in with the smear.

Yoda002 said:
King isn’t trying to go after certain groups but he is going after the general muslim population, which I don’t believe he really cares about it; he is just trying to distract and cause fear to improve his approval ratings within the Tea Party. Its all a political game.

That would make sense if it weren’t for the fact that King represents New York’s 3rd district and his ass is basically cemented in place until he either decides to retire, or he croaks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York's_3rd_congressional_district

OxyCon said:
That would make sense if it weren’t for the fact that King represents New York’s 3rd district and his ass is basically cemented in place until he either decides to retire, or he croaks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York’s_3rd_congressional_district

Yoda limps off bleeding profusely…;)

OxyCon said:
…it wouldn’t have fit in with the smear.

And did you forget to read this in the article you C&P your little snippet from:

“frequent vis­itor over the next decade.

He of­ten stayed at the home of a se­nior IRA mili­tant who ran op­erations in Belfast and was a wel­come guest at the Felons Club, a heav­ily forti­fied drink­ing estab­lish­ment for for­mer IRA pris­oners in West Belfast, accord­ing to Ed Moloney, au­thor of “The Secret History of the IRA,” and a review of Ir­ish and Ir­ish-American press accounts of King’s trips.”

Here’s the whole article in case you just got your little snippet from some pro-King blog:

http://www.ongo.com/v/513018/-1/AE536122DF65F08A/as-rep-peter-kings-muslim-hearings-approach-his-past-views-draw-ire

turk281 said:
Yoda002, I understand you don’t want to demonize a religion or culture. Nobody wants that.

But if you honestly don’t see the difference between a declared jihad and racist hate groups…we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

At least you recognize that every community group across the country that are fighting against a Mosque going up in their neighborhood (using fear of radicals as an excuse) is a racist hate group. Unfortunately, many of those groups do consider themselves part of the Tea party.

Nacho said:
At least you recognize that every community group across the country that are fighting against a Mosque going up in their neighborhood (using fear of radicals as an excuse) is a racist hate group. Unfortunately, many of those groups do consider themselves part of the Tea party.

Ughh…

I’m a libertarian leaning conservative. I believe, as most conservatives, that the mosque is constitutionally just fine to build. Just maybe in poor taste.

I’m also an atheist, so when people claim that there are homophobic, sexist anti semitic, and radical elements of Islam I’m not going to disagree.

The people against the ground zero mosque happen to include unionized firefighters, police officers, contractors, teachers, and the majority of the island of Manhattan which is one of the most liberal places in the US.

If it makes life simpler for you to equate the Tea Party with racism and everything that’s wrong with America, congratulations!! You’re the kind of lazy person with no critical thinking skills that politicians love.

turk281 said:
The people against the ground zero mosque happen to include unionized firefighters, police officers, contractors, teachers, and the majority of the island of Manhattan which is one of the most liberal places in the US.

There are many mosques’ in Manhattan. Now can you prove the rest of that BS statement?

turk281 said:
Ughh…

I’m a libertarian leaning conservative. I believe, as most conservatives, that the mosque is constitutionally just fine to build. Just maybe in poor taste.

I’m also an atheist, so when people claim that there are homophobic, sexist anti semitic, and radical elements of Islam I’m not going to disagree.

The people against the ground zero mosque happen to include unionized firefighters, police officers, contractors, teachers, and the majority of the island of Manhattan which is one of the most liberal places in the US.

If it makes life simpler for you to equate the Tea Party with racism and everything that’s wrong with America, congratulations!! You’re the kind of lazy person with no critical thinking skills that politicians love.

“The Mosque…” I never mentioned ground zero or even New York. I mentioned groups across the country fighting against a mosque going up in their backyard. Its happening cities all across our country. Bad taste is not what these people are fighting against.

OxyCon said:
That would make sense if it weren’t for the fact that King represents New York’s 3rd district and his ass is basically cemented in place until he either decides to retire, or he croaks:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York’s_3rd_congressional_district

Interesting. So you are saying he doesn’t have to campaign? Cause this sure looks like political grandstanding leading to a really nice fundraising letter. Also an excellent way to waste 2 – 3 weeks of congressional time and get invited to the Fox News studio at least 5 times.

the real john t said:
There are many mosques’ in Manhattan. Now can you prove the rest of that BS statement?

Fifty-two percent of the respondents said they did not want the mosque to be built at all, 31 percent are in favor of it, and 17 percent are undecided.

Quinnipiac Ground Zero Mosque poll:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x1302.xml?ReleaseID=1473

“Opposition to the mosque is 56 – 31 percent among white voters, 45 – 34 percent among black voters and 60 – 19 percent among Hispanic voters. Opposition among religious groups is 66 – 22 percent among Jews, 66 – 24 percent among white Catholics and 46 – 36 percent among white Protestants. ”

PS- I suppose hispanics are really racist since they oppose it way more than most by 60%

Finally! what I’ve been saying all along. He is a terrorist sympathizer, and everyone seems to have forgotten about it, not me.

turk281 said:
Fifty-two percent of the respondents said they did not want the mosque to be built at all, 31 percent are in favor of it, and 17 percent are undecided.

WOW!!! They surveyed 1,183 people out of a population of 2 million. Now that’s got to be a fact, by golly, you betcha.

OxyCon said:
Nah, Stewart isn’t dull and predictable.

And of course, Stewart couldn’t have included the following in his political hit job…:

…it wouldn’t have fit in with the smear.

Yeah, because his family being Irish means the IRA weren’t terrorists…

No wonder majority of Americans(who watch them) are fooled by the opinions of these so called TV hosts who distort facts or play down highly critical issues all in the name of “comedy”.

So what exactly is Jon Stewart’s point here?

Is it that Islamic Extremism IS, or IS NOT a huge threat to the United States and it’s citizens?

Or is it that the Irish Republican Army (IRA) is the threat that America faces(or ever faced), which makes the US Government subject United States citizens and foreigners to TSA security scans, and wire tapping that has been expanded by the Obama administration to now include, all electronic communications like Skype,Blackberry,Emails etc…?

Sometimes I really will like to know the main points of these so called comedians, with the stuff they present to the uninformed and unenlightened public who actually rely on them for information, and base their own opinions on the garbage from these shows.

LOGICandREASON said:
So what exactly is Jon Stewart’s point here?
Is it that Islamic Extremism IS, or IS NOT a huge threat to the United States and it’s citizens?

Did you ever consider the point is Stewarts pointing out Kings hypcritisy? He backed the IRA but he wants to investigate all the Muslims. King was in a political office when the IRA was in full mode. When did he call for an investigation in the Irish in the US?

LOGICandREASON said:
No wonder majority of Americans(who watch them) are fooled by the opinions of these so called TV hosts who distort facts or play down highly critical issues all in the name of “comedy”. So what exactly is Jon Stewart’s point here? Is it that Islamic Extremism IS, or IS NOT a huge threat to the United States and it’s citizens? Or is it that the Irish Republican Army (IRA) is the threat that America faces(or ever faced), which makes the US Government subject United States citizens and foreigners to TSA security scans, and wire tapping that has been expanded by the Obama administration to now include, all electronic communications like Skype,Blackberry,Emails etc…? Sometimes I really will like to know the main points of these so called comedians, with the stuff they present to the uninformed and unenlightened public who actually rely on them for information, and base their own opinions on the garbage from these shows.

What’s your point, because it seems to that the IRA are acceptable because they don’t kill Americans.

Listen, I grew up in Ireland, and as such I grew up with British conservatives trying to label me a possible terrorist because of that fact, much like what people like Peter King are doing to Muslims today. Tell me tell you something else. People I know are dead or in prison because of the Ra. It wasn’t just British soldiers they were after. And a large reason the Ra were as powerful as they were was because of the fincial support they got from ‘Irish’ Americans like Peter King.

Yoda002 said:
KKK groups are on top of that list maybe he should investigate those groups.

And don’t forget Neo-Nazi’s and umm, umm, that doesn’t make sense (Thanks to Cenk Uygur). Translation: Black Separatist Groups.

Pardon me, I think I heard Eric Holder and the Politically Coercive Police at the door.

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Tea Bagger comes in hard with a slider….Stewart doesn’t hesitate and takes a hard cut…..500 foot shot over the left field wall…. Stewart 3,057 Tea Baggers 0

500 feet???? 3,057 to nothing??? Stewart’s gotta be using steroids.

the real john t said:
WOW!!! They surveyed 1,183 people out of a population of 2 million. Now that’s got to be a fact, by golly, you betcha.

Have you ever studied how statistical surveys are developed? Or maybe this is the first time you have noticed the sample size in a poll, since it was not slanted your way. Now be honest, if Quinnipiac had shown it as 56 for the mosque would you have posted the small sample size?

Now would I have liked to have seen a larger sample size, yes because I feel a bit more comfortable with larger sample sizes, but is it inaccurate, probably not. Let’s not forget that the major media surveys have been caught consistently weighting their political survey samples as high as 60-70% Democrat in their polls. Outrage, anyone, anyone? We have become such a poll driven society that it is painful and in doing so we have forgotten the old adage, “There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”.

They were fighting against discrimination towards Catholics in electoral boundaries, voting rights and allocation of public housing, and oppression from the British government. The conflict was caused by the disputed status of Northern Ireland within the United Kingdom and the discrimination against the nationalist minority by the dominant unionist majority. I don’t really see what point/comparison Stewart is trying to make…

But King sees no parallel between the IRA and violent Islamist extremism, which he describes as a foreign enemy or a foreign-directed enemy. His preferred comparison for the IRA is with the African National Congress led by Nelson Mandela; the IRA, no less than the ANC’s military wing, was fighting for community rights and freedom, he says.

He argued that IRA violence was an inevitable response to British repression and that the organization had to be understood in the context of a centuries-long struggle for independence.

“I [wanted] a peace agreement, a working agreement, where the nationalist community would feel their rights would be respected,” King said in an interview at his Capitol Hill office. “I felt that the IRA, in the context of Irish history, and Sinn Fein were a legitimate force that had to be recognized and you wouldn’t have peace without them.

“Listen, I think I’m one of the people who brought about peace in Ireland.”

His interpretation of the past draws support from former president Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, who as British prime minister oversaw the most successful phase of the peace process in Northern Ireland. In the 1998 Good Friday Agreement, all parties to the conflict agreed to use “exclusively peaceful and democratic means” to pursue their aspirations.

But once he saw a path to peace that was just and deliverable, he urged and campaigned for everyone to take it,” Blair wrote in an e-mail. “I thought he was right in his concerns about the new global terrorism but could understand why he saw the Irish situation as different.”

“The Troubles,” as they were called, erupted when Roman Catholics in the late 1960s began to demand equal treatment in employment, housing and education in the majority-Protestant province of Northern Ireland. Peaceful demonstrations were violently suppressed by local authorities, and the situation quickly escalated into open conflict, drawing in the British army.

Clinton said that King was “an anchor of America’s role in the Irish peace process.”

“He was one of the few Americans who knew and understood Adams,” Clinton said in an e-mail. “He helped to ensure Adams’s successful visit to the U.S. Capitol for a St. Patrick Day luncheon in 1995, where we shook hands for the very first time, a moment that represented the profound change in American policy.”

“Yeah. There was such an outcry against terrorism after the Twin Towers, it would have been almost impossible to distinguish the IRA from al-Qaeda-even though to me there was no comparison.”

http://www.ongo.com/v/513018/-1/AE536122DF65F08A/as-rep-peter-kings-muslim-hearings-approach-his-past-views-draw-ire

Northern Ireland was fighting for Independence from British rule, from oppression and religious discrimination. Kind of like we were during the American Revolution.

I don’t think that is the case in this current situation with King, and al Qaeda terrorists, is it?

CosmosDan said:
I think it would have been great to investigate the mafia by holding hearings on all Italians , and questioning Catholic churches in Italian neighborhoods. I’m pretty sure that would have encouraged patriotism and cooperation among Italian Americans. Hey if ya’ll believe that crap about Muslims being taught to lie to infidels as part of Muslim doctrine, then what the hell good will King’s public hearings do?

Don’t show your ignorance. We had hearings on the Mafia and the Mafia organized Italian American groups to protest the hearings. These phony protests about these hearings are being organized by the Muslim Brotherhood.

turk281 said:
Yoda002, I understand you don’t want to demonize a religion or culture. Nobody wants that. But if you honestly don’t see the difference between a declared jihad and racist hate groups…we’ll just have to agree to disagree.

Hey remember, Yodel uses a phony name because he is hiding the fact that he is am member of the Muslim Brotherhood. So is Treehorn and Color Me Bad.

same2u said:
“The IRA has the same moral standing as the British Army.” That is like a congressman saying the Israeli army has the same moral standing as Hamas. He should recuse himself from the hearings since he has no moral standing of his own.

I wish Megyn had asked King about that quote when he was on her show.

Sidhekitten said:
the real john t said:
WOW!!! They surveyed 1,183 people out of a population of 2 million. Now that’s got to be a fact, by golly, you betcha.
Have you ever studied how statistical surveys are developed?

that was a weird comment, wasn’t it?

Someone tell Jon-Boy that “any association” with terrorist organizations is QUITE DIFFERENT than coutenancing a Breeding Ground for them!

Oh, is Jon Stewart bashing Republicans again? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

What a boring partisan he has become.

sarainitaly said:
I don’t think that is the case in this current situation with King, and al Qaeda terrorists, is it?

I left to go make lunch, before I finished my comment…

I don’t think that is the case in this current situation with King, and al Qaeda and homegrown muslim terrorists, is it?

Also, wanted to add, the situation in Ireland at the time is kind of similar to that in Libya, isn’t it? At least in the beginning. They are forming a rebel army and are protesting/fighting for their *freedom* and against oppression and they are being attacked by the Libyan government. They have the support of the American government, but (I think?) more sophisticated weaponry than the IRA.

So now Jonny is trying to compare the IRA with Muslims??? That’s rich.

What a s-t-r-e-t-c-h.

Stewart is a comedian and a clown. I love a good laugh too but he’s on here a little bit too much. Who really gives a damn what he thinks.

i’m still waiting for them to round up all the catholic pedophile sympathizers. nowadays if you find out about one of these freaks that diddles on kids, they reward you by making you pope.
when jesus said “let the little children come to me and do not hinder them” that’s not what he had in mind.

As I read through more of the comments, I have to point out that the Irish aren’t out to take over the world.

The Muslims are working at various levels in many countries to acquire power. Some methods are violent and some are through undermining the systems. In most cases, it’s NOT about assimilation.

They are a 100-fold greater threat than the IRA ever was and Stewart is losing it because he should have thought this through.

To all you hammer heads invoking Kings ties to the IRA:

So what your saying is, that King is the wrong guy for the job but your totally in agreement with his concerns and intentions?

Ok great we’ll call it even and thank God you libs are actually on the side of common sense for once. Our ranks grow thicker! AWSOME!

turk281 said:
No, just because the SPLC says there are more official hate groups in the racist white power/black power movements

SORRY DUMBASS THE SPLC DOESNT MENTION BLACK POWER GROUPS, YOU JUST THREW THAT IN….nice try though…republican propaganda artists like you make me sick…..your deceptions are really easy to expose….is that what the told you to say at the crossburning last week????…little asswipes like you are destined for prison…..keep up the good work

the real john t said:
Did you ever consider the point is Stewarts pointing out Kings hypcritisy? He backed the IRA but he wants to investigate all the Muslims. King was in a political office when the IRA was in full mode. When did he call for an investigation in the Irish in the US?

First of all, King wasn’t chairman of the committee on homeland security at the time. Secondly, the IRA wasn’t attacking Americans.

Apparently Stewart and the rest of you useful idiots are just fine with homegrown terrorists killing/trying to kill Americans. Just leave them alone and let them continue. And you bitch about Republicans who allegedly “vote against their own interests.” Talk about hypocrisy.

CosmosDan said:
I think it would have been great to investigate the mafia by holding hearings on all Italians , and questioning Catholic churches in Italian neighborhoods. I’m pretty sure that would have encouraged patriotism and cooperation among Italian Americans. Hey if ya’ll believe that crap about Muslims being taught to lie to infidels as part of Muslim doctrine, then what the hell good will King’s public hearings do?

As you posted yourself just 8 minutes prior, you have no clue what the hearings are for or what they’re about. So who cares what you think about the Italian mob!

ProObamaAgenda said:
SORRY DUMBASS THE SPLC DOESNT MENTION BLACK POWER GROUPS, YOU JUST THREW THAT IN….nice try though…republican propaganda artists like you make me sick…..your deceptions are really easy to expose….is that what the told you to say at the crossburning last week????…little asswipes like you are destined for prison…..keep up the good work

Hey, genius, check this out:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-cenk-uygur-won%E2%80%99t-read-chart-that-says-black-separatists-are-a-hate-group/

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Tea Bagger comes in hard with a slider….Stewart doesn’t hesitate and takes a hard cut…..500 foot shot over the left field wall…. Stewart 3,057 Tea Baggers 0

You know it’s a sign of mental illness to have a hatred of Palin, dont you? Unless you live in Alaska, she has never even been in a position of authority over you, never could have forced anything on you and certainly never did anything to you.

So you attempt to mock her with your avatar, why?

Just wondering.

Jackie_Treehorn said:
Stewart 3,057 Tea Baggers 0

Back on earth:

Stewart; Irrelevant comedian. Tea Party; Taking over the country.

Take your meds and take a nap.

Yoda002 said:
You get more news from the Comedy Central then regular news. So we find out that King is really a terrorist sympathizer. He might need to be brought up on charges for Aiding and Abetting the enemy.

It’s true a lot could be said that ALL news sucks. But the rest of your post is silly.

Steve_27 said:
Back on earth:

Tea Party; Taking over the country.

.

HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA FUNNIEST POST YET TODAY!

im_lovin_it said:
I’ll try to answer that. The hearings are a garish waste of time that will allow people on both sides of the issue to grandstand and have lots of time on television. The desired accomplishment is that Peter King will get lots of money and votes.

How does that sound?

That’s what I’m afraid of. I can’t quite understand how public congressional hearings sure to insult the Muslim population and paint us as Islamaphobes, is going to increase our home security. We do need to be watching for domestic terrorism but we have organizations for covert investigation. Not only that, from what I’ve read American Muslims have helped with information including the Times Square attempt. Shouldn’t King be mentioning that?

Steve_27 said:
As you posted yourself just 8 minutes prior, you have no clue what the hearings are for or what they’re about. So who cares what you think about the Italian mob!

Nobody should since it was obvious sarcasm.

CosmosDan said:
That’s what I’m afraid of. I can’t quite understand how public congressional hearings sure to insult the Muslim population and paint us as Islamaphobes, is going to increase our home security. We do need to be watching for domestic terrorism but we have organizations for covert investigation. Not only that, from what I’ve read American Muslims have helped with information including the Times Square attempt. Shouldn’t King be mentioning that?

No, there should have been hearings YEARS ago. The Muslims and the Liberals are making a much BIGGER stink over the hearings than they do over the TERRORISM.

When the Muslims and the Liberals wake up and focus on the real issues, then we should consider their opinions.

In the meantime, here is a body count: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

Both the Muslims and the Liberals have to talk about THEIR civility: DENOUNCE THE VIOLENCE AND DEMAND THAT THE MILITANTS STOP.

But… but… TEH MOOSLIMS aren’t WHITE!

turk281 said:
Peter King is chair of the Homeland Security Committee. Due to the fact that homegrown terrorism is considered to be the biggest threat according to Janet Napolitano and Eric Holder, it’s his job to investigate Americans who have become radicalized.

Sorry that they happen to be Muslim. The mob happened to be Italian, and there are a lot of Catholic priests who happen to abuse kids. These things need to be investigated.

That doesn’t explain why we need a public hearing or how that will make us more secure. We already have professionals to investigate in a less public manner don’t we?

Judge Mental said:
Apparently Stewart and the rest of you useful idiots are just fine with homegrown terrorists killing/trying to kill Americans.

The defenders of the terrorists on this site have just given themselves away. They are the hidden plants of the Muslim Brotherhood. No Americans would be here saying the ignorant things these folks are saying.
That is why they hide behind those phony names. A check of their backgrounds would reveal ties to the Taliban. Yoda is the leader of this underground hate America movement.

ProObamaAgenda said:
SORRY DUMBASS THE SPLC DOESNT MENTION BLACK POWER GROUPS, YOU JUST THREW THAT IN….nice try though…republican propaganda artists like you make me sick…..your deceptions are really easy to expose….is that what the told you to say at the crossburning last week????…little asswipes like you are destined for prison…..keep up the good work

Typical…

To all the libs on here making comparisons to the Italian mob, pedophiles and the kkk, you need to grow up and fast. Do you realize this only equates to childlike foot stomping? You remind me of my 5 year old daughter when she cries that her 10 year old brother is getting to do something she cant.

Your pathetic!

If in your sick minds muslims cannot be capable of being recruited, transformed, then commit acts of terror, making Kings concerns and job irrelevant, then thats it! Just state it that way and bug off! Thats your only option! Otherwise it is what it is. Your just whining useless irrelevant and annoying.

If King was actually with the IRA and killed British soldiers, it wouldn’t make him wrong about this! There is not one conservative on this site that would not want a pedophile to suffer the harshest punishment or agrees with kkk scumbags. So just what the hell is the point of all your useless bs?

turk281 said:
I understand you don’t want to demonize a religion or culture. Nobody wants that.

Unfortunately that’s what is happening, and with public hearings. King is making it worse not better.

NORBIT Jr. said:
Someone tell Jon-Boy that “any association” with terrorist organizations is QUITE DIFFERENT than coutenancing a Breeding Ground for them!

Not when the terrorist organisations are killing innocent by standards in the street, including women and children.

So in your twisted mind, it would be ok to be associated with terrorists who are breeding ground in a foreign country. As long as it’s happening somewhere else, it’s OK to spread terror. Nice, sounds like Oliver Stone in the contra affair.

Steve_27 said:
To all you hammer heads invoking Kings ties to the IRA:

So what your saying is, that King is the wrong guy for the job but your totally in agreement with his concerns and intentions?

Ok great we’ll call it even and thank God you libs are actually on the side of common sense for once. Our ranks grow thicker! AWSOME!

At least you admit you side with a terrorist sympathizer who helped raise money to buy car bombs to kill people.

Steve_27 said:
To all the libs on here making comparisons to the Italian mob, pedophiles and the kkk, you need to grow up and fast. Do you realize this only equates to childlike foot stomping? You remind me of my 5 year old daughter when she cries that her 10 year old brother is getting to do something she cant.

Your pathetic!

If in your sick minds muslims cannot be capable of being recruited, transformed, then commit acts of terror, making Kings concerns and job irrelevant, then thats it! Just state it that way and bug off! Thats your only option! Otherwise it is what it is. Your just whining useless irrelevant and annoying.

If King was actually with the IRA and killed British soldiers, it wouldn’t make him wrong about this! There is not one conservative on this site that would not want a pedophile to suffer the harshest punishment or agrees with kkk scumbags. So just what the hell is the point of all your useless bs?

This form of liberalism (Modern Liberalism/Progressivism) is a mental disorder. If you can find the time, watch (and absorb) the video “How Modern Liberals Think” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c.

If you want to know WHY liberals are like they are, watch it!

There is an advanced level of seditious Islamist infiltration and subversion within today’s America, including anti-Semitic, jihadist indoctrination and even recruiting in some of our colleges, radical teachings and incitement in the rapidly growing number of mosques and Islamic schools around the nation, jihad recruitment in our prisons thanks to taxpayer-funded radical Muslim chaplains, even subversion within our own government.
Most U.S.-based Islamists and their organizations masquerade as charitable, religious and civil-rights groups but are dedicated to replacing the Constitution with the Quran. That’s not my opinion; their leaders have said so, like CAIR founder Omar Ahmad, who told a California newspaper: “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Quran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth.”

I personally think it’s freaking great. When the right keeps up these bullshit semantics instead of working on all these jobs they promised Americans they’ll be voted out faster than the Dems in ’10……

CosmosDan said:
Unfortunately that’s what is happening, and with public hearings. King is making it worse not better.

“We will examine al Qaeda’s latest and dangerous tactic of radicalizing members of the American Muslim community and recruiting them to engage in jihadist attacks against innocent Americans. We will also examine the American Muslim community’s response to the growing threat. Last month, Homeland Security Secretary Napolitano declared that the terrorist threat level is at its most ‘heightened state’ since 9/11; National Counterterrorism Center Director Michael Leiter called al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) the most significant threat to our homeland; and Attorney General Eric Holder recently said that radicalization in this country by AQAP’s Anwar al Awlaki and other terrorist recruiters is what keeps him awake at night.”

“At the hearing, we will hear from American Muslims, including those with first-hand, devastating experience with the effects of al Qaeda’s radicalization efforts. This life-and-death issue is too important to ignore in the name of political correctness.”

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/03/07/rep_pete_king_to_hold_hearing_on_radical_islam_in_america

Rep. King is already seeing protests against the hearing and opposition from radical Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the man behind the push for a mosque at Ground Zero, and the Council on Islamic Relations, a Muslim group with ties to Hamas. (Big surprise?)

How would that make things worse? Don’t Muslims in America want to understand the”latest and dangerous tactic of radicalizing members of the American Muslim community and recruiting them to engage in jihadist attacks against innocent Americans” and eliminate those threats?

I would think the only people who would oppose these hearings are people who want to see Muslim extremists prevail.

turk281 said:
I’m a libertarian leaning conservative. I believe, as most conservatives, that the mosque is constitutionally just fine to build. Just maybe in poor taste.

It isn’t just the NYC community center being protested. It’s Mosques around the country. That’s the kind of Islamaphobia that King is feeding with public hearings.

Our security challenge has at least two sides. To be on guard against terrorism and to try not to breed the kind of anger and resentment that helps radical recruiters and increases the chances of violence. My concern is that King’s public hearings which does seem to single out Muslims in general despite his protests, will only breed more resentment from Muslims and the Islamaphobes that are getting louder.
As Martin Luther King Jr. once said: “Violence begets violence; hate begets hate; and toughness begets a greater toughness. It is all a descending spiral, and the end is destruction — for everybody. Along the way of life, someone must have enough sense and morality to cut off the chain of hate.”

It’s every American citizens responsibility to cooperate with law enforcement, as well as the responsibility of legal immigrants who wish to become citizens. Do we assume Muslim Americans have an added responsibility because of their religion? Does that justify singling out American Mosques for investigation, and will public hearings help more than the security we already have in place?
It sure looks like King is just grandstanding to me, in a way that doesn’t help.

CosmosDan said:
As Martin Luther King Jr. once said: “Violence begets violence; hate begets hate; and toughness begets a greater toughness. It is all a descending spiral, and the end is destruction — for everybody. Along the way of life, someone must have enough sense and morality to cut off the chain of hate.”

Well, as long as Muslim terrorists are still committing violent acts against Americans, and hating Americans, they are going to beget hate and violence. We could cut off the “chain of hate”, as Americans, but it’s not going to stop them from hating or committing violent acts against Americans, is it? I don’t recall those who died on 9/11 being violent or hateful towards Muslim terrorists.

“Does that justify singling out American Mosques for investigation,” it does if they have/find evidence that terrorists use mosques as breeding grounds for terrorism.

Steve_27 said:
If in your sick minds muslims cannot be capable of being recruited, transformed, then commit acts of terror, making Kings concerns and job irrelevant, then thats it!

Thanks Kreskin. I was wondering what was going on in my sick mind.

I haven’t seen one liberal post anything like this. Maybe your mind reading abilities aren’t as good as you think.

It’s clear that the recruitment is an issue. I just think that’s something our more covert operations should be dealing with.

Religion of Peace said:
Lebowitz=comedy channel.

Hey, moron, his name’s actually Stewart:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/names-news

Alz said:
They are a 100-fold greater threat than the IRA ever was and Stewart is losing it because he should have thought this through.

So, it’s okay that King has questionable ties to a terrorist organization because they only kills dozens of people, instead of hundreds?

I tend not to judge terrorist organizations by how many they kill. Rather, I focus on the reprehensible fact that they all use violence and fear to try and keep people from expressing their rights. To me, the IRA is no different than Al-Qaeda, save for the fact that they are in different regions of the earth and have different faiths. Their actions are the same.

sarainitaly said:
How would that make things worse?.

Because it’s a double edged sword Sara. It’s true we need to be concerned about radical Islam trying to recruit American Muslims. We also need to be concerned that rising anti Muslim sentiment fueled by ignorance and fear mongers like Pam Geller, and how feeding that fear helps the recruiters.

I wonder what the public hearings will accomplish that can’t be better accomplished by the security specialists we already have operating. If King’s committee needs to be informed that’s who they should be talking to. Why do we need a public display?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Hey, moron, his name’s actually Stewart:
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/names-news

SHUT UP LIB!!!!!111 One of the things we True American Patriots like to point out is that his last name is really LIEBOWITZ!!!!!111 Read into that whatever you WANT!!!!!!111

sarainitaly said:
Don’t Muslims in America want to understand the”latest and dangerous tactic of radicalizing members of the American Muslim community and recruiting them to engage in jihadist attacks against innocent Americans” and eliminate those threats?

I would think the only people who would oppose these hearings are people who want to see Muslim extremists prevail.

Do you think Muslims in America don’t understand that planning to bomb American targets is criminal and helping those that do is criminal as well?

I would say that our security organizations need to work with American Muslims and try to establish communication for intelligence purposes. We can reach out to Muslim leaders and help them to help us, and help their own people in the process. We have top fight terrorism, while also showing that we support religious freedom , rather than create an impression of religious persecution.

So, my question again is, what purpose do public hearings serve that Homeland Security and the FBI can’t do?

I do agree that Muslim leaders should not object to the notion that recruitment is a real possibility and something to watch for. I can understand their objection to making it a public spectacle.

Stephen Hogan said:
So, it’s okay that King has questionable ties to a terrorist organization because they only kills dozens of people, instead of hundreds?

I tend not to judge terrorist organizations by how many they kill. Rather, I focus on the reprehensible fact that they all use violence and fear to try and keep people from expressing their rights. To me, the IRA is no different than Al-Qaeda, save for the fact that they are in different regions of the earth and have different faiths. Their actions are the same.

So, it’s ok for Obama to have questionable ties to a terrorist organization because they only killed a couple of people? How do you feel about the Weather Underground, the same as al Qaeda?

King “argued that IRA violence was an inevitable response to British repression and that the organization had to be understood in the context of a centuries-long struggle for independence.” Northern Ireland was fighting for Independence from British rule, from oppression and religious discrimination. (Kind of like we were during the American Revolution.)

“Peaceful demonstrations were violently suppressed by local authorities, and the situation quickly escalated into open conflict, drawing in the British army.” (Kind of like what is happening in Libya today).
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-has-rep-peter-king-met-his-terrorist-sympathizing-past-self/comment-page-2/#comment-358658

King was instrumental in the Irish peace process. They were oppressed and fighting for their freedoms. He understood that…

CosmosDan said:
I wonder what the public hearings will accomplish that can’t be better accomplished by the security specialists we already have operating. If King’s committee needs to be informed that’s who they should be talking to. Why do we need a public display?

well, maybe the end results will be the evidence needed to calm down the people like Pamela Gellar?

sarainitaly said:
Well, as long as Muslim terrorists are still committing violent acts against Americans, and hating Americans, they are going to beget hate and violence. We could cut off the “chain of hate”, as Americans, but it’s not going to stop them from hating or committing violent acts against Americans, is it? I don’t recall those who died on 9/11 being violent or hateful towards Muslim terrorists.

That’s exactly the challenge we face, to defend ourselves , including our Muslim citizens, while not adding to the anger and resentment that breeds violence. That’s the measure of how we gauge our actions and choices in dealing with the real issue of terrorism.
That’s my question about these public hearings. What positive things are they going to accomplish? What negative impact might they have?

Karl Spensen said:
SHUT UP LIB!!!!!111 One of the things we True American Patriots like to point out is that his last name is really LIEBOWITZ!!!!!111 Read into that whatever you WANT!!!!!!111

OMG!! It’s Karl. Lib rally at my place to come up with a Karl action plan.!! LOL!

Demonizing? Well there are extremely demonic people in islam that are pushing this religion through very demonic ways and King is just trying to help keep us safe against them.

Of course here is where another famously immature and retarded liberal argument come’s in and it sounds like, “Well it’s just a very small percentage….” yada yada yada. Yeah no shit! We dont care what the numbers are, we just know they exist and want to prevent them from striking again.

Are you that stupid to actually not know this or are you just a full blown terrorist bloggin from some cave?

sarainitaly said:
well, maybe the end results will be the evidence needed to calm down the people like Pamela Gellar?

I don’t think that’s a reasonable expectation. Pamela is either a paranoid bigot, or someone who wants to personally capitalize on the bigotry of others, or both.

Singling out a religion to vilify in a country built on religious freedom, is pretty anti American in my book.

CosmosDan said:
sarainitaly said:
Don’t Muslims in America want to understand the”latest and dangerous tactic of radicalizing members of the American Muslim community and recruiting them to engage in jihadist attacks against innocent Americans” and eliminate those threats?
I would think the only people who would oppose these hearings are people who want to see Muslim extremists prevail.

Do you think Muslims in America don’t understand that planning to bomb American targets is criminal and helping those that do is criminal as well?

I don’t think that’s what I said. You don’t think it benefits them to understand how al Qaeda works, how they recruit, the methods they use, the tricks they pull, the places they go. If Muslim Americans know what signs to look for, they can make sure their kids aren’t being recruited, aren’t susceptible, and they know what kinds of signs to watch for.

Why the paranoia on the part of those opposing the trials? What are they afraid will come out of the trials? I would think it would be a win-win.

Those who fear *all muslims are terrorists and trying to kill us* will perhaps learn that Muslim Americans are cooperating with law enforcements, are not harboring terrorists, do not want Sharia law in America, etc. And muslims who will have a better understanding on what people actually fear, how they can avoid losing loved ones to extremists, and how they can better help authorities alerting them if mosques being used for terrorist breeding grounds, identifying cells, etc.

Seems a lot of people are worried about what will actually come out of these trials… Why so, if it’s the truth?

CosmosDan said:
I don’t think that’s a reasonable expectation. Pamela is either a paranoid bigot, or someone who wants to personally capitalize on the bigotry of others, or both.

Singling out a religion to vilify in a country built on religious freedom, is pretty anti American in my book.

well, you’ll never know if you never give it a chance, will you?

And another thing you dumb liberal bastards: There is no such thing as “Islamophobia!” It would be like crying “Naziphobia” during WWII.

If we strart arresting and killing muslims just for being muslims, then you have a case. But thats obviously not happening and being though liberals are anti “pre-emptive strike” regardless of the circumstances, that pretty much leaves you without a legitimate gripe against King or anyone else trying to protect us.

ProObamaAgenda said:
SORRY DUMBASS THE SPLC DOESNT MENTION BLACK POWER GROUPS, YOU JUST THREW THAT IN….nice try though…republican propaganda artists like you make me sick…..your deceptions are really easy to expose….is that what the told you to say at the crossburning last week????…little asswipes like you are destined for prison…..keep up the good work

While it is true that SLPC does focus on white hate groups, it was their main focus when they began in 71, they have enough intellectual honesty to admit that black hate/separatist groups exist, even when it hurts them to admit it.
Please not the following link from their own site…

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/black-separatist

Unfortunately, you have in your post just exposed how hate filled and or racist you are. Although I must admit that you may be in the top ten for stringing together cliche talking points when a reasoned approach fails you. Do actually believe that those who you hate will be going to prison? Hey you could get a job as a captain in the Political Coercive Police Force’s “re-education camps”. (A nod to our tin-foil crowd).

And for all of you that may have missed Judge Mental, we both had the same idea…

Judge Mental said:
Hey, genius, check this out:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-cenk-uygur-won%E2%80%99t-read-chart-that-says-black-separatists-are-a-hate-group/

CosmosDan said:
I don’t think that’s a reasonable expectation. Pamela is either a paranoid bigot, or someone who wants to personally capitalize on the bigotry of others, or both. Singling out a religion to vilify in a country built on religious freedom, is pretty anti American in my book.

How about basic police work to prevent more slaughter in the name of a religion? Where’s that stand in your book?

Jackie_Treehorn said:
I personally think it’s freaking great. When the right keeps up these bullshit semantics instead of working on all these jobs they promised Americans they’ll be voted out faster than the Dems in ‘10……

Yeah, “semantics,” cause the whole issue is just imaginary. Keep representing the clueless left as you are, just fine by me.

im_lovin_it said:
I’ll try to answer that. The hearings are a garish waste of time that will allow people on both sides of the issue to grandstand and have lots of time on television. The desired accomplishment is that Peter King will get lots of money and votes. How does that sound?

Sounds like your a retard. If it’s so wrong and terrible then just how will he be getting votes? And he’s getting paid more how?

If you review the congressional records since King first took office, you’ll see the only ‘laws’ he ever proposed before were resolutions praising the IRA and the vatican’s pedophile-employment sites, catholic schools.

LOGICandREASON said:
No wonder majority of Americans(who watch them) are fooled by the opinions of these so called TV hosts who distort facts or play down highly critical issues all in the name of “comedy”. So what exactly is Jon Stewart’s point here? Is it that Islamic Extremism IS, or IS NOT a huge threat to the United States and it’s citizens? Or is it that the Irish Republican Army (IRA) is the threat that America faces(or ever faced), which makes the US Government subject United States citizens and foreigners to TSA security scans, and wire tapping that has been expanded by the Obama administration to now include, all electronic communications like Skype,Blackberry,Emails etc…? Sometimes I really will like to know the main points of these so called comedians, with the stuff they present to the uninformed and unenlightened public who actually rely on them for information, and base their own opinions on the garbage from these shows.

I could only click on the green thumb once so i’m writing here to let you know I hit it ten more times.

Darr247 said:
If you review the congressional records since King first took office, you’ll see the only ‘laws’ he ever proposed before were resolutions praising the IRA and the vatican’s pedophile-employment sites, catholic schools.

So he got off to a bad start but now he’s doing great things. Whats your point?

NORBIT Jr. said:
Someone tell Jon-Boy that “any association” with terrorist organizations is QUITE DIFFERENT than coutenancing a Breeding Ground for them!

Says the guy bashing the POTUS for his associations.

Color Me Badd said:
At least you admit you side with a terrorist sympathizer who helped raise money to buy car bombs to kill people.

No not really but rock on fag.

Steve_27 said:
Stewart is a comedian and a clown. I love a good laugh too but he’s on here a little bit too much. Who really gives a damn what he thinks.

Uh #1 late nite talk show host.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/blogs/live-feed/daily-show-beats-leno-letterman-35776

Steve_27 said:
As you posted yourself just 8 minutes prior, you have no clue what the hearings are for or what they’re about. So who cares what you think about the Italian mob!

Steve_27 said:
Back on earth:

Stewart; Irrelevant comedian. Tea Party; Taking over the country.

Take your meds and take a nap.

Steve_27 said:
To all the libs on here making comparisons to the Italian mob, pedophiles and the kkk, you need to grow up and fast. Do you realize this only equates to childlike foot stomping? You remind me of my 5 year old daughter when she cries that her 10 year old brother is getting to do something she cant.

Your pathetic!

If in your sick minds muslims cannot be capable of being recruited, transformed, then commit acts of terror, making Kings concerns and job irrelevant, then thats it! Just state it that way and bug off! Thats your only option! Otherwise it is what it is. Your just whining useless irrelevant and annoying.

If King was actually with the IRA and killed British soldiers, it wouldn’t make him wrong about this! There is not one conservative on this site that would not want a pedophile to suffer the harshest punishment or agrees with kkk scumbags. So just what the hell is the point of all your useless bs?

Steve_27 said:
Demonizing? Well there are extremely demonic people in islam that are pushing this religion through very demonic ways and King is just trying to help keep us safe against them.

Of course here is where another famously immature and retarded liberal argument come’s in and it sounds like, “Well it’s just a very small percentage….” yada yada yada. Yeah no shit! We dont care what the numbers are, we just know they exist and want to prevent them from striking again.

Are you that stupid to actually not know this or are you just a full blown terrorist bloggin from some cave?

Steve_27 said:
Yeah, “semantics,” cause the whole issue is just imaginary. Keep representing the clueless left as you are, just fine by me.

Steve_27 said:
Sounds like your a retard. If it’s so wrong and terrible then just how will he be getting votes? And he’s getting paid more how?

Steve_27 said:
I could only click on the green thumb once so i’m writing here to let you know I hit it ten more times.

OOOOHHHHH click on green thumb

Steve_27 said:
No not really but rock on fag.

You sound like on of them “compassionate conservatives”.

Mexican2 said:
You sound like on of them “compassionate conservatives”.

He sounds like the perfect candidate for Medical Marijuana.

sarainitaly said:
So, it’s ok for Obama to have questionable ties to a terrorist organization because they only killed a couple of people? How do you feel about the Weather Underground, the same as al Qaeda?

I was unaware that Obama compared Bill Ayers to George Washington, just as King compared Gerry Adams. I was also unaware that Obama joined organizations known for supplying the Weather Underground, like King did when he joined NORAID.

Obama’s connections with the Weather Underground begin and end with his friendship with Ayers. And in regards to your other question, I would consider the Weather Underground similar to Al Qaeda, if the Weather Underground still existed. They dissolved in the early 80′s, before Obama was even in Chicago and long before he met Bill Ayers.

sarainitaly said:
King “argued that IRA violence was an inevitable response to British repression and that the organization had to be understood in the context of a centuries-long struggle for independence.” Northern Ireland was fighting for Independence from British rule, from oppression and religious discrimination. (Kind of like we were during the American Revolution.)

“Peaceful demonstrations were violently suppressed by local authorities, and the situation quickly escalated into open conflict, drawing in the British army.” (Kind of like what is happening in Libya today).
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jon-stewart-has-rep-peter-king-met-his-terrorist-sympathizing-past-self/comment-page-2/#comment-358658

King was instrumental in the Irish peace process. They were oppressed and fighting for their freedoms. He understood that…

Yes, they were oppressed and fighting for their freedom. However, they were also committing acts of terrorism. Like the 1996 Manchester bombing, the London Stock Exchange Bombing, their assassination attempt on Margaret Thatcher, the bombing of the 1982 British Army ceremonial parade, the assassination of Lord Mountbatten, or their use of the ‘proxy bomb’ (a type of involuntary suicide bomb).

The problem with the IRA is that they engaged in means of revolution that had no regard for the potential impact on civilians. But, I guess as the old addage goes, ‘One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter’.

Steve_27 said:
No not really but rock on fag.

It isn’t Steve Phelps is it?

I’m sure King anticipated this line of attack. The good news for him, though, is that most Americans won’t accept the moral equivalency of the IRA trying to kick the English out of Northern Ireland and islamic terrorists trying to detonate, say, a nuclear device or biological weapon in downtown NYC.

Stephen Hogan said:
I was unaware that Obama compared Bill Ayers to George Washington, just as King compared Gerry Adams. I was also unaware that Obama joined organizations known for supplying the Weather Underground, like King did when he joined NORAID.

irrelevant.
he has ties to the Ayers’, former leaders of a group you would compare to al Qaeda. As you said, “I tend not to judge terrorist organizations by how many they kill. Rather, I focus on the reprehensible fact that they all use violence and fear to try and keep people from expressing their rights.” And Obama chose to associate many times with the leaders of that terrorist organization.

Stephen Hogan said:
Yes, they were oppressed and fighting for their freedom. However, they were also committing acts of terrorism. Like the 1996 Manchester bombing, the London Stock Exchange Bombing, their assassination attempt on Margaret Thatcher, the bombing of the 1982 British Army ceremonial parade, the assassination of Lord Mountbatten, or their use of the ‘proxy bomb’ (a type of involuntary suicide bomb).

The problem with the IRA is that they engaged in means of revolution that had no regard for the potential impact on civilians. But, I guess as the old addage goes, ‘One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter’.

Not saying I agree with their tactics, but they used the means they had to fight back. They were attacked first, and didn’t have (I don’t believe) sophisticated weapons. They had bombs. I would imagine the situation in Libya turning very similar if the US/UN don’t step in.

Like the Weatherunderground, I’m sure the IRA felt that years of non-violent resistance had done little or nothing to win their cause, and resorted to *terrorism*. However, they were fighting two very different battles. Just as the battles between the IRA and al Qaeda/Muslim terrorists are quite different.

And I suppose you are right, ‘One man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter’. I’m sure Britain considered the Minute Men terrorists, and most likely Qaddafi considers the rebels terrorists.

damien said:
And a large reason the Ra were as powerful as they were was because of the fincial support they got from ‘Irish’ Americans like Peter King.

Thank God there is finally an example of true “LOGIC AND REASON” in this thread.

If we support legitimate governments like Israel and Great Britain, we condemn terrorist groups like the Hamas and the IRA.

If there is an actual threat of homegrown terrorism, we have to deal with that threat. But we have seen enough violence committed by anti-abortion extremists, plots to foment revolution by militia groups, and everyday examples of hate crimes by racists or homophobes to know the difference between real acts of domestic “terrorism” and fear mongering over the threat posed by one group in order to gain political power.

Just listen to the rhetoric and substitute other names for the group in question – it’s always the same hate speech throughout our history.

Jon Stewart shines a light on our paranoia and hypocrisy with the gift of laughter.

sarainitaly said:
irrelevant.
he has ties to the Ayers’, former leaders of a group you would compare to al Qaeda. As you said, “I tend not to judge terrorist organizations by how many they kill. Rather, I focus on the reprehensible fact that they all use violence and fear to try and keep people from expressing their rights.” And Obama chose to associate many times with the leaders of that terrorist organization.

No, it’s not irrelevant. You were one making the comparison between Obama’s ties with the Weather Underground and King’s ties to the IRA. I’m saying the ties aren’t comparable. Whatever ties Obama has with the Weather Underground do not run anywhere near as deep as for him to join an organization that funds the Weather Underground (as King did with the IRA), nor do they run as deep for him to compare Bill Ayers to George Washington (as King did with Adams). It’s a false equivalence. King’s involvement with the IRA far exceeds Obama’s involvement with the Weather Underground (namely, because the latter didn’t have any, only a friendship with the former leader after the fact).

sarainitaly said:
Not saying I agree with their tactics, but they used the means they had to fight back. They were attacked first, and didn’t have (I don’t believe) sophisticated weapons. They had bombs. I would imagine the situation in Libya turning very similar if the US/UN don’t step in.

They didn’t have very sophisticated weaponry. In fact, they mainly started off with American standard-issue M1 Garands, a semi-automatic rifle used in World War II.

Frankly, I’m of the belief that nearly all revolutions that are born through violence will usually end up just as despotic as the government they replaced. Look at the French Revolution, the Bolshevik Revolution, the Xinhai Revolution, the Islamic Revolution of Iran, etc. I think the US is probably one of the few exceptions to that rule and mainly just because we were lucky enough to have intelligent and pragmatic leaders at the time. Albert Camus wrote a great book on the subject of revolutions called The Rebel. I wholeheartedly suggest it! :)

sarainitaly said:
You don’t think it benefits them to understand how al Qaeda works, how they recruit, the methods they use, the tricks they pull, the places they go. If Muslim Americans know what signs to look for, they can make sure their kids aren’t being recruited, aren’t susceptible, and they know what kinds of signs to watch for.

Sure. The question is how do we approach it. Here’s one way that doesn’t require a public singling out of Muslim Americans for investigation.

http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/dennis_mcdonough_addresses_the_american_muslim_community/0018417

““Islam is part of America”. He praised American Muslims for helping fight violent extremism and called on them to help undermine what it called the “twisted ideology” used by al-Qaida.

“We have a choice. We can choose to send a message to certain Americans that they are somehow ‘less American’ because of their faith or how they look; that we see their entire community as a potential threat … Or, we can make another choice. We can send the message that we’re all Americans,”

IMO, It’s crucial that we encourage American Muslims to work with us to stop recruitment by radicals but also to do so in a way that does not take on the appearance of religious persecution. We must show our commitment to freedom of worship by denouncing anti Muslim groups and the spread of ignorance that we see expressed almost daily on this very board.
here’s some thoughts on the rally opposing King’s hearings.
http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/we_are_muslims/0018416
““My concern is that if the perception that in the Arab-Muslim world that Muslims are under attack, the perception among the youth here that Muslims are under attack by their own members of Congress, by their own government, this helps radicalize people. And we need to reverse that cycle of radicalization. That is why I suggest if he wants to have hearings, have it around radicalization and extremism, because that’s our common enemy.” Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf
That’s my concern as well. There’s a way to handle it that addresses security without catering to anti Muslim sentiment, which, IMO, adds to the danger.

“Targeting one community takes us back to an era similar to what happened with the Japanese after World War II, what happened under the McCarthy era. We’re spreading fear and hatred rather than tolerance and justice.” DRUM Executive Director Monami Maulik

from here
http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/822/the-peter-king-radicalization-of-muslims-hearing-and-american-democracy-
“Despite attempts by King and others to push the argument that Muslim Americans haven’t done enough to combat terrorism, the evidence shows that Muslims are very concerned about terrorism. Individually and collectively, Muslim Americans have turned in or contributed to the arrest of many suspected terrorists, including the Times Square bomber and the Hutaree, and some Muslims have helped intelligence agencies to infiltrate the al-Qaeda network. ”
“Moreover, top counterterrorism officials like Attorney General Eric Holder, FBI Director Robert Mueller, and many police and intelligence officials have repeatedly met and worked with Muslim American community leaders on a variety of counterterrorism efforts over the years. Mueller has testified before Congress and stated publicly several times that Muslim Americans have been extremely helpful to his agency’s counterterrorism efforts. For example, in 2004 Mueller said: “Since September 11th, we have had substantial assistance and cooperation from the Muslim-American community, the Arab-American community, [and] the Sikh-American community within the United States. And for that all of us are tremendously thankful”

Do we have any evidence of King acknowledging Muslim American’s efforts, or do we just have his assertion that they aren’t doing enough.
for the sake of balance I read and listen to an opposing Muslim position and this guy makes some very reasonable points.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/03/09/american-muslims-view-community-needs-king-hearings-radical-islam/

“The biggest obstacles to that legacy for American Muslims are Islamists, domestic and foreign advocates of the platform of political Islam. It is time for our diverse Muslim communities to reclaim our faith from the control of Islamists.”

Jasser supports separation of Mosque and state as I do, and say Islamic reform must address the concept of Islam as a political state , rather than a faith separate from a secular government. I agree with that as well. it’s unclear to me why he doesn’t acknowledge that Muslim Americans have helped our security efforts.

sarainitaly said:
well, you’ll never know if you never give it a chance, will you?

Know with certainty, of course not. Make a realistic judgement based on what I know up to this point. I think I can.

The American Muslim Jasser who supports Kings hearings had this to say about Gellar from one of the links I provided.

“While I appreciate the fact that honest disagreements are par for the course in this intensely difficult and controversial issue, Geller’s attacks go far beyond ideology, employing a mixture of fabrications and libelous character assassination. Amusingly, the methods she and her cohorts use to dismiss my work share common cause and technique with the Islamists. In the past, I made it a policy not to respond to such scurrilous attacks but the fact that Geller’s diatribe has gained some “currency” on the Internet made this a necessary distraction given also the importance of Rep. King’s hearings.

Less amusing is the bottom line that Geller’s and Spencer’s genre is headed in only one direction-declaring an ideological war against one-fourth of the world’s population and expecting to neutralize the Islamist threat by asking Muslims to renounce their faith. ”

I’m glad he called her out as well as expressing his views on the hearings. I think the opposition to all things Muslim has to be called the preposterous extremism it is.

sarainitaly said:
I would think the only people who would oppose these hearings are people who want to see Muslim extremists prevail.

Amazing. This kind of pseudo intellectual illogical drivel is like a political madlib: I would think the only people who would oppose _____________ are people who want to see _________________ prevail.

Here’s a list of things to oppose that seem to be in the papers these days:

Union busting
Tax cuts for millionaires
Ending subsidies for oil companies
Unlimited corporate political contributions
Suspending habeous corpus
Investigating innocent American citizens
Massive cuts to public education
Defunding NPR
Limiting the cartridge size of guns
Letting a woman die rather than have an abortion
Defining the of murder abortion doctors as justifiable homocide
Preemptive wars

Here’s a list of evil causes so frequently used to create hate and fear in the public:

Communists
Terrorists
Jihadists
Socialism
Godless murderers
Suppression of free speech
Muslim extremists
Far left Anti-Americans
The end of our Republic
Class warfare
The nanny state

Just look at the endless possibilities for fun – no typing or rational thought required! Best of all, you can really increase your post per day productivity to get that bonus from the RNC (or is it Fox?).

Karl Spensen said:
SHUT UP LIB!!!!!111 One of the things we True American Patriots like to point out is that his last name is really LIEBOWITZ!!!!!111 Read into that whatever you WANT!!!!!!111

Hmmmm… you make reference to Jon Stewart’s original last name, indicating that he comes from a Jewish family, and then say read into that whatever you want.

And your name is Karl, which, according to http://www.thinkbabynames.com/meaning/1/Karl

Karl \k(a)-rl\ as a boy’s name is pronounced karl. It is of Old German origin, and the meaning of Karl is “free man”. German form of Charles.’

So, are you saying that true American patriot is some bizarre code for the freedom for Germans to attack Jews?

What group do you claim membership in, again? And, are you sure they really want you?

BruinAlum77 said:
Amazing. This kind of pseudo intellectual illogical drivel is like a political madlib: I would think the only people who would oppose _____________ are people who want to see _________________ prevail.

Here’s a list of things to oppose that seem to be in the papers these days:

Union busting
Tax cuts for millionaires
Ending subsidies for oil companies
Unlimited corporate political contributions
Suspending habeous corpus
Investigating innocent American citizens
Massive cuts to public education
Defunding NPR
Limiting the cartridge size of guns
Letting a woman die rather than have an abortion
Defining the of murder abortion doctors as justifiable homocide
Preemptive wars

Here’s a list of evil causes so frequently used to create hate and fear in the public:

Communists
Terrorists
Jihadists
Socialism
Godless murderers
Suppression of free speech
Muslim extremists
Far left Anti-Americans
The end of our Republic
Class warfare
The nanny state

Just look at the endless possibilities for fun – no typing or rational thought required! Best of all, you can really increase your post per day productivity to get that bonus from the RNC (or is it Fox?).

This is awesome.
May I use it?

BruinAlum77 said:
Thank God there is finally an example of true “LOGIC AND REASON” in this thread. If we support legitimate governments like Israel and Great Britain, we condemn terrorist groups like the Hamas and the IRA. If there is an actual threat of homegrown terrorism, we have to deal with that threat. But we have seen enough violence committed by anti-abortion extremists, plots to foment revolution by militia groups, and everyday examples of hate crimes by racists or homophobes to know the difference between real acts of domestic “terrorism” and fear mongering over the threat posed by one group in order to gain political power. Just listen to the rhetoric and substitute other names for the group in question – it’s always the same hate speech throughout our history. Jon Stewart shines a light on our paranoia and hypocrisy
with the gift of laughter.

How do you define a people’s right to defend their land? What are the rules? And I don’t know that the IRA ever wanted to wipe England from the face of the earth.

Karl Spensen said:
LIEB

It means that like most Jews he keeps two sets of books: one for Israel and another one for everyone else.

BruinAlum77 said:
Amazing. This kind of pseudo intellectual illogical drivel is like a political madlib: I would think the only people who would oppose _____________ are people who want to see _________________ prevail.

Here’s a list of things to oppose that seem to be in the papers these days:

Bravo! very clever.

Stephen Hogan said:
However, they were also committing acts of terrorism.

Like Bill Ayers?

@Steve_27, I feel you

Republicans who defend King on this are doing themselves an incredible disservice. The IRA of the past and Al Qaeda employ the same means, even if their ends are different. Those means are precisely the problem.

shortstopk said:
Republicans who defend King on this are doing themselves an incredible disservice. The IRA of the past and Al Qaeda employ the same means, even if their ends are different. Those means are precisely the problem.

No, not really. The “means,’ meaning the “reasoning” for the violence, are for two entirely different reasons. So many worlds apart that they’re not even in the same universe. But thats ok, you keep whining about bullshit and keep carrying the irrelevant liberal torch.

It’s not “bullshit” because King wouldn’t be wrong if he did what your talking about but because your just deflecting from whats at issue here. Like I said before, if you think King is wrong because of the IRA issue, then you point out how you would like someone else in charge of the commitie. You dont do that because it’s the hearings themsleves, NOT King, NOT your false concern over any IRA issue.

Just make believe King and the IRA were fighting for the same reasons the Weather underground were fighting for and then you would love them, Right? So stop the disingenuous nonsense, the baby bull crap is pathetic and embarrassing.

Mexican2 said:
Uh #1 late nite talk show host. P>

UH, “LATE” would be the key here! He’s on at 11:00, that’s when Fox starts playing the repeats DOH!!

(It burns son!) HAHA!!

I think he’s on at 7 too but what’s on Fox? Lizard face Shepard Smith with basic news as opposed to all the other show’s that might be compared. And ‘hmmm,’ the word “might” reminds me of the basic point here: Jon is a “COMEDIAN!” Not to be compared in anyway shape or form with actual media anyway! Get it?

For the record, I think Fox sucks and they aggrevate me every 5 minutes. It doesn’t change the basic point; Stewart is allowed his opinion and I hope all the world watches him, as long as they remember, He’s a comedian!!

And thank you for the montage of all of my greatest hits yesterday, I appreciate it. ;)

BruinAlum77 said:
Thank God there is finally an example of true “LOGIC AND REASON” in this thread. If we support legitimate governments like Israel and Great Britain, we condemn terrorist groups like the Hamas and the IRA. If there is an actual threat of homegrown terrorism, we have to deal with that threat. But we have seen enough violence committed by anti-abortion extremists, plots to foment revolution by militia groups, and everyday examples of hate crimes by racists or homophobes to know the difference between real acts of domestic “terrorism” and fear mongering over the threat posed by one group in order to gain political power. Just listen to the rhetoric and substitute other names for the group in question – it’s always the same hate speech throughout our history. Jon Stewart shines a light on our paranoia and hypocrisy with the gift of laughter.

No matter how many times I see idiocy like this I still cant believe it.

First off, Starting the main paragraph off with “If” tells us all we need to know about where your coming from. Outer space. My other favorite is “real,” meaning islamic extremism is “fake.” Your lumping in violent anti abortionist and every day hate crimes with the threat of islamic extremism is simply indicative of your utter cluelessness.

I suppose if you were alive in WWII you would have said, “Stop fear mongering about those Germans and japs! Some old lady got mugged on my corner last night and we have to do something about it!” Ok thats an exaggeration and a joke. But the point is, are we not to address the WOT because you think homophobia is an equal or greater threat?

Seriously, you dont even make sense and have to be a complete moron. If you became personaly involved with a terror attack your views would change instantly and thats the reason I get angry with the likes of you so quickley; why must others potentially suffer greatly because your head is so far up your ass?