So I’m left wondering, who is this Ameriphobe, and why should I care what he thinks?

If you can call that a schooling (some facts but a lot of ramble), he was schooling the media at large and the President for not discussing things in terms of “whabiism”.

Yes, but Saudi Arabia is a major supplier of crude oil to Japan and the rest of Asia and is a major purchaser of U.S. military hardware. The Saudis have replaced a lot of the religious heirarchy and they have toned-down the more radical teachings that they were exporting to the rest of the Middle East. The Saudis are even negotiating with Isreal because of the threat of Iran expanding it’s influence in the region.

The real threat to the U.S. is from Middle Eastern “Political Asylum” refugees that the U.S. State Department continues to “resettle” in our country. If even a small percentage of them has the desire to inflict mass casualties on New Yorkers out for a Saturday night in a crowded Time Square they are a disaster waiting to happen:

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/profiles/blogs/palestinians-have-missle

“MSNBC’s fiery Dylan Ratigan tried to provide some clarity”

MSNBC…clarity. Get serious. That’s as stupid as using Mediaite and clarity in the same sentence.

Wow, this guy is a jackass.

“Schooled” code for Progressive translation. Muslims = Islam

Dylan who?

Once again, MSNBC is reacting to what other hosts from other networks do rather than making their own news with their own hosts. I’m not a fox watcher by any means but this is just pathetic. Stop worrying about what other people are doing and make your own stories in the media. MSNBC acts like a spoiled teen girl who runs around school screaming how everyone else sucks..

espo222 said:
Wow, this guy is a jackass.

Wow. Went right over your head didn’t it?

So let me get this straight, absolutely no funding came from the Taliban? All funding came from Saudi Arabia? Funny, I thought that the Taliban were actually based in Afghanistan and actually controlled the majority of that country. I’m sure that they only sheltered al quaeda but did not fund them in any way whatsoever. Great logic Dylan!

Mr.Papshmer said:
So I’m left wondering, who is this Ameriphobe, and why should I care what he thinks?

You’ve been consuming fake food and news for so long you can’t discern what’s real anymore.

Ninja said:
So let me get this straight, absolutely no funding came from the Taliban? All funding came from Saudi Arabia? Funny, I thought that the Taliban were actually based in Afghanistan and actually controlled the majority of that country. I’m sure that they only sheltered al quaeda but did not fund them in any way whatsoever. Great logic Dylan!

al quaeda had no need for taliban money, dipshit, they’ve got Saudi money…did you even listen to a word he said? al quaeda funded the taliban, which is why they permitted them safe haven in afghanistan.

we didn’t invade afghanistan because they attacked us on 9/11, how soon you idiots forget, we invaded afghanistan because the taliban was there and they have provided al queda with a safe haven and wouldn’t kick them out when we told them to….so we invaded.

check your history books before you spout off nonsense

True Muslims who follow their prophet attacked the west!
Quote: “…I have been made victorious with terror…”–Mohammed, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220.
Quote: “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’…” –Mohammed, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387.

SpineCrusher said:
Wow. Went right over your head didn’t it?

Well, none of it was true for one. The attacks around the world, on the Cole, on the 1st WTC or the 2nd, were not dont by “a single sect”. They were done by a conglomerate of extreme Islamic terrorist groups. These wars are funded and supported inside Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt and India.

In conclusion, RATigan is a moron who talks out of his ass and hopes nobody will check his facts.

The motivation of the Muslim-Terrorists:
- Allah orders to kill Pagans and to subjugate Jews and Christians (Q.9:5, Q.9:29). Except when they convert to Islam!
- Allah promises paradise for those who kill and are killed for his cause (Q.9:111, Q.4:74, Q.3:157). Especially the 9/11(200)1 verse!
- The reward for male Jihadists is very pleasant; a paradise full of virgins (Q.78:31-40)!

Hey Dylan, what about Sudan?

On March 14, 2007, a federal judge in the United States, Robert Doumar ruled that the Sudanese government was liable for the bombing.[16]
The ruling was issued in response to a lawsuit filed against the Sudanese government by relatives of the victims, who claim that Al-Qaeda could not have carried out the attacks without the support of Sudanese officials

Dronetek said:
Well, none of it was true for one. The attacks around the world, on the Cole, on the 1st WTC or the 2nd, were not dont by “a single sect”. They were done by a conglomerate of extreme Islamic terrorist groups. These wars are funded and supported inside Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt and India. In conclusion, RATigan is a moron who talks out of his ass and hopes nobody will check his facts.

None of it was true? Please explain what part of the Saudi Wahabbi’s funding the parasites who attacked us on 9/11 that was not true?

You really need to read something besides the 3 to 4 tea party emails you get everyday.

If you think this was a refutation of Bill O’Reilly, then do I have a site for you!

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/red+herring

^^See number two.

I don’t TRUST the LAMESTREAM media, so the only news I get that ISN’T from FOX NEWS (The Most Powerful Name in News) is from Tea Party E-MAIL FORWARDS!!!!111 And let me tell you something, everything I needed to know about ISLAM I learned on 9/11(tm)!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

Hey Dylan, what about Egypt, Libya and Jordan?

According to a 1998 U.S. federal indictment, al-Qaeda is administered by a council that “discussed and approved major undertakings, including terrorist operations.” At the top is bin Laden. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the head of Egyptian Islamic Jihad, is thought to be bin Laden’s top lieutenant and al-Qaeda’s ideological adviser. Abu Yahya al-Libi, a Libyan who was captured by Pakistani authorities in 2002 but managed to escape from U.S. prison in Afghanistan in 2005, has emerged as the public face of al-Qaeda and another top-level leader. (Reports that he was killed in a December 2009 airstrike were later rescinded). Some counterterrorism experts consider him a top strategist and a theological scholar, arguing that his religious scholarship makes him one of the most effective promoters of global jihad. Jarret Brachman, a former analyst for the Central Intelligence Agency, told The New York Times that al-Libi “has become the heir apparent to Osama bin Laden in terms of taking over the entire global jihadist movement.”

Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, an Egyptian, is an original member of al-Qaeda’s leadership council and has been an adviser to bin Laden for more than a decade. He served time in prison in the early 1980s with deputy leader al-Zawahiri for their role as conspirators in the 1981 assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat. Another important figure is Saif al-Adel, an Egyptian, who is rumored to be under house arrest in Iran along with some other top leaders of the organization, including Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, an Egyptian and financial officer of al-Qaeda. Adel and Abdullah are wanted for their role in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, which killed more than 200 people.

The Jordanian radical Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who established the Sunni Muslim extremist group al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) and directed a series of deadly terror attacks in Iraq-including the beheadings of kidnapped foreigners-was also associated with al-Qaeda. Zarqawi pledged his allegiance to bin Laden in October 2004, and bin Laden praised Zarqawi as “the prince of al-Qaeda in Iraq.”

http://www.cfr.org/publication/9126/alqaeda_aka_alqaida_alqaida.html#p6

Karl Spensen said:
I don’t TRUST the LAMESTREAM media, so the only news I get that ISN’T from FOX NEWS (The Most Powerful Name in News) is from Tea Party E-MAIL FORWARDS!!!!111 And let me tell you something, everything I needed to know about ISLAM I learned on 9/11(tm)!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

Karl PWNS ALL!!

<3

SpineCrusher said:
al quaeda had no need for taliban money, dipshit, they’ve got Saudi money…did you even listen to a word he said? al quaeda funded the taliban, which is why they permitted them safe haven in afghanistan. we didn’t invade afghanistan because they attacked us on 9/11, how soon you idiots forget, we invaded afghanistan because the taliban was there and they have provided al queda with a safe haven and wouldn’t kick them out when we told them to….so we invaded. check your history books before you spout off nonsense

So Saudi Arabia funded an entire country by funneling money through al quaeda to the governing / ruling entity of Afghanistan? By your logic, al-quaeda and the taliban had two entirely different agendas and did not work together at all either except for aq maybe “leasing” some land from them? Do you not feel that the taliban was complicit in the attacks that occured? Maybe they were totally unaware of what aq was up to? I’m sure that is what really was going on, silly me.

Azarkhan said:
Hey Dylan, what about Egypt, Libya and Jordan? According to a 1998 U.S. federal indictment, al-Qaeda is administered by a council that “discussed and approved major undertakings, including terrorist operations.” At the top is bin Laden. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the head of Egyptian Islamic Jihad, is thought to be bin Laden’s top lieutenant and al-Qaeda’s ideological adviser. Abu Yahya al-Libi, a Libyan who was captured by Pakistani authorities in 2002 but managed to escape from U.S. prison in Afghanistan in 2005, has emerged as the public face of al-Qaeda and another top-level leader. (Reports that he was killed in a December 2009 airstrike were later rescinded). Some counterterrorism experts consider him a top strategist and a theological scholar, arguing that his religious scholarship makes him one of the most effective promoters of global jihad. Jarret Brachman, a former analyst for the Central Intelligence Agency, told The New York Times that al-Libi “has become the heir apparent to Osama bin Laden in terms of taking over the entire global jihadist movement.” Mustafa Abu al-Yazid, an Egyptian, is an original member of al-Qaeda’s leadership council and has been an adviser to bin Laden for more than a decade. He served time in prison in the early 1980s with deputy leader al-Zawahiri for their role as conspirators in the 1981 assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat. Another important figure is Saif al-Adel, an Egyptian, who is rumored to be under house arrest in Iran along with some other top leaders of the organization, including Abdullah Ahmed Abdullah, an Egyptian and financial officer of al-Qaeda. Adel and Abdullah are wanted for their role in the 1998 bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, which killed more than 200 people. The Jordanian radical Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who established the Sunni Muslim extremist group al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) and directed a series of deadly terror attacks in Iraq-including the beheadings of kidnapped foreigners-was also associated with al-Qaeda. Zarqawi pledged his allegiance to bin Laden in October 2004, and bin Laden praised Zarqawi as “the prince of al-Qaeda in Iraq.” http://www.cfr.org/publication/9126/alqaeda_aka_alqaida_alqaida.html#p6

and what?

Who’s funding al quaeda? I don’t see anything in this “red-herring” that refutes what Ratigan said.

Nice try, but you’ve already been pegged many times as a misinformational propagandist and you will continue to get call out for it.

FTL!

Hey Dylan, what about Algeria?

Abdelmalek Droukdel, a.k.a Abou Mossaab Abdelouadoud, is the Emir of the Organization of Al-Qaida in the Islamic Maghreb (QE.T.14.01), formerly known as the Salafist Group for Preaching and Combat (GSPC). He assumed leadership of GSPC in mid-2004.

RE: MSNBC’s fiery Dylan Ratigan tried to provide some clarity to the discussion on Morning Joe.

This would be fine if they had an audience….

I actually get a kick out of these nobodies…Dylan Ratigan, the other day it was Andrew Sullivan…all wanting to go after Bill O’Reilly for one reason or another. He doesn’t even give them the time of day…which frustrates them so.

Has anyone, other than some of the staff over at MSNBC, and maybe Ratigan’s
immediate family ever heard of him?

Hey Dylan, what about the Phillippines? Indonesia?

Abu Sayyaf, whose name means “bearer of the sword” in Arabic, is a militant organization based in the southern Philippines. It seeks a separate Islamic state for the country’s Muslim minority. The U.S. State Department designates Abu Sayyaf as a terrorist organization that boasts of ties to Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda network, as well as the Indonesian network of Jemaah Islamiyah.

Ninja said:
So Saudi Arabia funded an entire country by funneling money through al quaeda to the governing / ruling entity of Afghanistan? By your logic, al-quaeda and the taliban had two entirely different agendas and did not work together at all either except for aq maybe “leasing” some land from them? Do you not feel that the taliban was complicit in the attacks that occured? Maybe they were totally unaware of what aq was up to? I’m sure that is what really was going on, silly me.

Do you just make this drivel up as you go along? Funded an entire country? WTF are you talking about? The Taliban is not a country.

Who said anything about “leasing land” or two entirely different agendas?

It’s not about feelings…these are facts. There are plenty of places that this information is available, nothing Ratigan said in this interview is anything new, that was his whole point. The truth doesn’t garnish better ratings which is why the media doesn’t focus on it.

I can’t even believe you posed the question about the Taliban being complicit or not…of course they were, that’s why we invaded Afghanistan to destroy their leadership and catch those al quaeda scumbags while they were still there.

unfortunately, we can’t seem to close the game out…even after 9 years.

The underlying problem with Islam:
- what is written in the Qur’an is the direct word of God (f.ex. Q.11:1),
- and Allah protects his word from corruption (Q.15:9)
- you should subjugate yourself to Allah (z.B. Q.3:19)
- you should NOT question Islam (Q.5:102 & Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 24, Number 555)
- the Qu’ran is very easy to understand (Q.44:58 & Q.54.17, Taqwa is the only requirement),
- you are Not allowed to interpret the clear verses (muhkamat), and it is forbidden to seek an interpretation in the unspecific verses (mutashabihat), only Allah knows these (Q.3:7)
- Muhammad is an excellent role-model (Uswa-e-Hasana; Q.33:21, Q.60:4-6).
- you should follow Allah AND Muhammad (f.ex. Q.3:132, Q.4.80 etc)
- during war or peace periods, you should ask Muhammad what to do or those with POWER (Q.4:83)

“Schools” My Arse!

The only people morphing Islamic Terrorism into Islamaphobia are on the political LEFT! – and like the contrived use of the “Race Card”, this is being done either out of blind ignorance or political duplicity!

Where are all you SANCTIMONIOUS PRETENDERS when BayWhore, Mahr, and the rest of the Christian-Hating Left rail against Catholics on a regular basis???? – What a bunch of discredited HYPOCRITES!

11-02-10 —– The First Step to Undoing 50 Years of Liberal LIES & DECEPTION!

Uh-oh, now they’re in India! (I seem to recall an incident in Mumbai, but, like Dylan’s brain, it’s bit foggy)

Many terrorists active in Kashmir received training in the same madrasas, or Muslim seminaries, where Taliban and al-Qaeda fighters studied, and some received military training at camps in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan. Leaders of some of these terror groups also have al-Qaeda connections. The long-time leader of the Harakat ul-Mujahideen group, Fazlur Rehman Khalil, signed al-Qaeda’s 1998 declaration of holy war, which called on Muslims to attack all Americans and their allies.

Malik Obama . http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101015/ap_on_re_af/af_kenya_obama_s_brother_1

allat said:
The underlying problem with Islam:- what is written in the Qur’an is the direct word of God (f.ex. Q.11:1),- and Allah protects his word from corruption (Q.15:9)- you should subjugate yourself to Allah (z.B. Q.3:19)- you should NOT question Islam (Q.5:102 & Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 24, Number 555)- the Qu’ran is very easy to understand (Q.44:58 & Q.54.17, Taqwa is the only requirement),- you are Not allowed to interpret the clear verses (muhkamat), and it is forbidden to seek an interpretation in the unspecific verses (mutashabihat), only Allah knows these (Q.3:7)- Muhammad is an excellent role-model (Uswa-e-Hasana; Q.33:21, Q.60:4-6).- you should follow Allah AND Muhammad (f.ex. Q.3:132, Q.4.80 etc)- during war or peace periods, you should ask Muhammad what to do or those with POWER (Q.4:83)

NORBIT said:
“Schools” My Arse! The only people morphing Islamic Terrorism into Islamaphobia are on the political LEFT! – and like the contrived use of the “Race Card”, this is being done either out of blind ignorance or political duplicity! Where are all you SANCTIMONIOUS PRETENDERS when BayWhore, Mahr, and the rest of the Christian-Hating Left rail against Catholics on a regular basis???? – What a bunch of discredited HYPOCRITES! 11-02-10 —– The First Step to Undoing 50 Years of Liberal LIES & DECEPTION!

You two should start playing bingo together

So Donetrek – what you are saying is that mediaite staff Tommy bought what Ratigan said hook, line, and sinker…didn’t check Ratigan’s fact before he repeated them here and claimed that Ratigan schooled O’Reilly?

Interesting observation.

A quick google search finds this:

“However, the Saudis are far from the only source of terrorism funding. Funding for terrorist organizations comes mainly from national governments, including but not limited to Iran, Saudi Arabia, and a number of other Arab states; charitable organizations like the Arab League and the International Islamic Relief Organization; “legitimate” business fronts, such as travel agencies and cell phone distributors; the exploitation of the unregulated commodities market and other financial markets; and various forms of international trade that convert cash into diamonds and gold. Terrorists also generate money from criminal activities such as extortion, prostitution rings, video pirating, and drug trafficking.”

http://www.meforum.org/572/turning-off-the-tap-of-terrorist-funding

Hey Dylan, give it up for Nigeria!

DETROIT (AP) — A lawyer advising a Nigerian man who is accused of trying to use explosives in his underwear to blow up an international flight will get access to the evidence, a judge ruled Thursday over the defendant’s objections.

The 15-minute hearing was the first since Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab sacked his four-lawyer defense team last month and said he wanted to represent himself on charges stemming from the attempted Christmas Day attack.

TfT said:
So Donetrek – what you are saying is that mediaite staff Tommy bought what Ratigan said hook, line, and sinker…didn’t check Ratigan’s fact before he repeated them here and claimed that Ratigan schooled O’Reilly? Interesting observation. A quick google search finds this: “However, the Saudis are far from the only source of terrorism funding. Funding for terrorist organizations comes mainly from national governments, including but not limited to Iran, Saudi Arabia, and a number of other Arab states; charitable organizations like the Arab League and the International Islamic Relief Organization; “legitimate” business fronts, such as travel agencies and cell phone distributors; the exploitation of the unregulated commodities market and other financial markets; and various forms of international trade that convert cash into diamonds and gold. Terrorists also generate money from criminal activities such as extortion, prostitution rings, video pirating, and drug trafficking.” http://www.meforum.org/572/turning-off-the-tap-of-terrorist-funding

There are “terrorists” everywhere..WTF do you not understand about that?

Watch the clip before you comment. Ratigan was talking about the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and where THEIR funding came from…that’s it…nothing more. He didn’t break down how the funding works for EVERY terrorist organization in the world.

So what is YOUR point?

The level of ignorance of those here opposed to the truth in what he said is TERRIFYING!

SpineCrusher said:
Do you just make this drivel up as you go along? Funded an entire country? WTF are you talking about? The Taliban is not a country. Who said anything about “leasing land” or two entirely different agendas? It’s not about feelings…these are facts. There are plenty of places that this information is available, nothing Ratigan said in this interview is anything new, that was his whole point. The truth doesn’t garnish better ratings which is why the media doesn’t focus on it. I can’t even believe you posed the question about the Taliban being complicit or not…of course they were, that’s why we invaded Afghanistan to destroy their leadership and catch those al quaeda scumbags while they were still there. unfortunately, we can’t seem to close the game out…even after 9 years.

You stated earlier that aq funded the taliban government. You do realize that the taliban ruled afghanistan right? That means they controlled the country of Afghanistan including the military, the treasury and they were also recognized as the governing body of that country. We can say we are not at war with Afghanistan all we want, but if someone invades the United States and says they are not at war with us only our government how would you view that?

SpineCrusher said:
You two should start playing bingo together

Think Twice – Islam A Religion of Peace?
Zeba Khan and Maajid Nawaz vs. Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray: Is Islam a Religion of Peace?
http://vimeo.com/15646170
Live Oxford-style debate at New York University’s Skirball Center for the Performing Arts. With

Hey Dylan, have some spicey Al-Shabab.

A suicide strike by two bombers suspected to have belonged to an Al Qaeda-linked group in Somalia killed at least 32 people Tuesday, including six legislators from the country’s Western-funded parliament.

Somali Minister of Information Abdirahman Omar Osman immediately blamed Al Shabab, the country’s leading Islamist insurgent group, for the attack.

NORBIT said:
The only people morphing Islamic Terrorism into Islamaphobia are on the political LEFT!

YES YES YES!!!111 Oh Norbit, you are the only one here who rivals me when it comes to PASSION and CAPITALIZATION!!!11 And you are SO RIGHT!!!!!111 Just like the LEFT has been exposed as a bunch of SEXIST RACISTS (oh GOD saying that gives me SUCH a Freedom Chubby), they have now been exposed as ISLAMOPHOBES!!!!!!!!111

I mean don’t get me wrong, there is PLENTY to be afraid of when it comes to MUSLINS!!!!111 But the only thing worse than a MUSLIN TERRORIST (which is ALL of them) is a LEFTIST community organizer SEIU union thug black panther communist marxist fascist race-card playing Muslin LIBERAL!!!!!!!1111

SpineCrusher said:
You’ve been consuming fake food and news for so long you can’t discern what’s real anymore.

Never mind the question, just straight to the insults. That’s cool, if you’re only here to receive thumbs up from the rabid progressives here, but the increasing bitterness and intolerance from the left of anything not in line with their view is a big part of the reason that people who had been politically asleep for so long are now just realizing what a bunch of intolerant bigots progressives are for the most part. And no one likes an intolerant bigot. Not a real one, anyway. Regular people going about their regular lives are not intolerant bigots, and when progressives fling that at them with no merit whatsoever, they’re first left thinking, “What an asshole”, they they associate progressives with assholes.

Ninja said:
You stated earlier that aq funded the taliban government. You do realize that the taliban ruled afghanistan right? That means they controlled the country of Afghanistan including the military, the treasury and they were also recognized as the governing body of that country. We can say we are not at war with Afghanistan all we want, but if someone invades the United States and says they are not at war with us only our government how would you view that?

The Taliban has never been a recognized government of any country, they are a political group that has been fighting the governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan and trying to sieze power through influence.

While it’s true that they declared themselves the “Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan” at the height of their power, they only gained diplomatic recognition from three states: Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates.

DO YOUR RESEARCH FIRST!

allat said:
True Muslims who follow their prophet attacked the west!
Quote: “…I have been made victorious with terror…”–Mohammed, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 220.

That is a classic misquote. See, the word ru’b is what it is translated from. It is not the Western definition of terror, but actually means anxiety or fear. Here’s the full verse:

Allah’s Apostle said, “I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand.” Abu Huraira added: Allah’s Apostle has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).

The terror was actually the attempts to kill Muhammad was a failure, and the enemies soon grew to fear the prophet and the religion he had brought. His followers were rising and this is a frightening thing for the enemies. He was victorious because terror kept people from fighting. And again, this terror was based on the rise in popularity of the religion and therefore led to less combat. In other words, war and violence did not help him win.

allat said:Quote: “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: ‘None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.’…” –Mohammed, Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 387.

Not so much a misquote but a missed point. See, Allah is the Arab word for God. You can replace the word Allah with God and it still works. Muhammad worshipped the same God as the Christians and the Jews. The difference is actually based on the prophets (in other words, men). You worship Allah if you are a Christian, in other words, you worship a monotheistic God.

See, it’s easy to take the Qurun as a feared book that promotes violence when you take things massively out of context from some right wing site. Do a little research and interpretation and you’ll see that their views may be wrong.

What’s a school without any students watching?

Karl Spensen said:
YES YES YES!!!111 Oh Norbit, you are the only one here who rivals me when it comes to PASSION and CAPITALIZATION!!!11 And you are SO RIGHT!!!!!111 Just like the LEFT has been exposed as a bunch of SEXIST RACISTS (oh GOD saying that gives me SUCH a Freedom Chubby), they have now been exposed as ISLAMOPHOBES!!!!!!!!111

I mean don’t get me wrong, there is PLENTY to be afraid of when it comes to MUSLINS!!!!111 But the only thing worse than a MUSLIN TERRORIST (which is ALL of them) is a LEFTIST community organizer SEIU union thug black panther communist marxist fascist race-card playing Muslin LIBERAL!!!!!!!1111

You forgot Tawana Sharpton.

You are a true Patriot.

allat said:
The underlying problem with Islam:
- what is written in the Qur’an is the direct word of God (f.ex. Q.11:1),

Replace the word Qur’an with Bible, and oops, we’ve got Christianity.

allat said:
- and Allah protects his word from corruption (Q.15:9)

Hmm, sounds like Bible again.

allat said:- you should subjugate yourself to Allah (z.B. Q.3:19)

Are you sure they didn’t take ideas from Christianity or even Judaism.

allat said:- you should NOT question Islam (Q.5:102 & Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 24, Number 555)

Oh, yeah, did you know that if you denounce Christ you instantly go to Hell. You don’t get a second chance. Hmmm. Familiar it seems.

allat said:- the Qu’ran is very easy to understand (Q.44:58 & Q.54.17, Taqwa is the only requirement),
- you are Not allowed to interpret the clear verses (muhkamat), and it is forbidden to seek an interpretation in the unspecific verses (mutashabihat), only Allah knows these (Q.3:7)

Well, that’s a bit different. Yes, that makes them evil.

allat said:- Muhammad is an excellent role-model (Uswa-e-Hasana; Q.33:21, Q.60:4-6).

allat said:- you should follow Allah AND Muhammad (f.ex. Q.3:132, Q.4.80 etc)

Remember Allah means God. Particularly the Judeo-Christian monotheistic God which we do follow. Muhammad is the wild card here. But you can put another prophet or even Jesus into that equation as well.

allat said:- during war or peace periods, you should ask Muhammad what to do or those with POWER (Q.4:83)

Or Jesus. Actually, they seem the same, just different titles for their God and prophet.

Karl Spensen said:
YES YES YES!!!111 Oh Norbit, you are the only one here who rivals me when it comes to PASSION and CAPITALIZATION!!!11 And you are SO RIGHT!!!!!111 Just like the LEFT has been exposed as a bunch of SEXIST RACISTS (oh GOD saying that gives me SUCH a Freedom Chubby), they have now been exposed as ISLAMOPHOBES!!!!!!!!111

I mean don’t get me wrong, there is PLENTY to be afraid of when it comes to MUSLINS!!!!111 But the only thing worse than a MUSLIN TERRORIST (which is ALL of them) is a LEFTIST community organizer SEIU union thug black panther communist marxist fascist race-card playing Muslin LIBERAL!!!!!!!1111

Wonder boy Karl loves to mock people who attack radical Islam or Islam period , but Israel or Christianity is the topic of discussion , you’ll see a total different side of ” Karl ” he’ll use satire to mock Jesus as ” King Jesus firey chariots ” or what not . Somehow he sees Islam as the underdog as uses pathetic satire to mock conservatives.

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
Replace the word Qur’an with Bible, and oops, we’ve got Christianity.

1. Tu quoque fallacy
2. total bullshit
3. I’ll be back to explain it to you!
Now, I have to go, hasta la vista, baby Jesus!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pUrsUORF4Y

I would suspect Mr. O’Reilly is one of billions of people who don’t watch Dylan Ratiagn, so how could he be “schooling” Mr. O’Reilly?

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
The terror was actually the attempts to kill Muhammad was a failure, and the enemies soon grew to fear the prophet and the religion he had brought.

Yeah, if you ignore major parts of the Qu’ran and the aHadith AND History, you can some how reach that conclusion! Congratulation! But the problem is, that not only Islam critiques will test these conclusion, but also devout Muslims! e.g. conflicts between Muslims since Abu Bakr!

When one factor controls 90% of a country they are indeed the ruling government whether or not they are officially recognized as such. The taliban in all reality assumed power over the country by taking control of Kabul in 1996. They did not fight the government of Pakistan, as a matter of fact, the Pakistanis are the ones that put them on the path power beginning in 1994 with the two factions working together to open trade routes through Afghanistan.

Regardless, the point of Dylans rant was that only the wahabi-salfhi faction of Islam has ever funded any terror operation. He states this with certainty several times. This is patently false as the taliban follow strict sunni beliefs which the wahabi sect has considered to be ignorant for thousands of years. To make the statement he made, I have to believe he is either lacking analytical skills or intellictually dishonest.

allat said:
1. Tu quoque fallacy2. total bullshit3. I’ll be back to explain it to you!Now, I have to go, hasta la vista, baby Jesus!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pUrsUORF4Y

allat, please tell me how muslims justify murdering people who don’t particularly like to use prayer rugs?

How do they justify mutilating and raping women who they think have somehow done something wrong?

How do they justify insisting everyone live under Shariah law?

Basically, what I’m saying here, is that anyone who is a muslim is a stupid sack of camel shit.

That apparently would include YOU.

allat said:
1. Tu quoque fallacy
2. total bullshit
3. I’ll be back to explain it to you!
Now, I have to go, hasta la vista, baby Jesus!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pUrsUORF4Y

Then you missed the point. Here, I’ll raise it as a question. Do you feel Christianity is an evil religion? And I ask because as you can see, we are merely changing the names but not the actions. Therefore, your belief that Islam is evil and Christianity is not is based on who is being followed not how they are following. Then, let’s reverse it, and have Muslims going to sites and writing the same thing you just wrote, but used the words Bible and Jesus and God, etc. The thing is that this is a religion that came out of the same monotheistic faith as Christianity and Judaism. In fact, many of the prophets appear in all three of their sacred texts. Therefore, your problem comes from who they follow, which we both now there isn’t 100% proof that either side exists. I’m saying that your problems with Islam is apparent in Christian religions and probably most religions. And my question to you is, Does that make them evil? If not, why? And can you explain it without using the words God or Jesus or Muhammad or Allah? Now, I’ve pointed out misinterpretation of the Qur’an which are as popular as misinterpretations of the Bible. And it’s on both sides. Extremists of most religions are misinterpreting the written word. You can’t use the Qur’an as the nature of the evil. The evil lies in the hearts of men who can twist meaning to satisfy their goals on either side. Don’t point to their religious texts as examples of evil, because it doesn’t hold water. Point to them. Are Islamic extremists evil? Yes. Are they evil because they are Muslim? No.

Arthur (Not a Political Comic) said:
See, it’s easy to take the Qurun as a feared book that promotes violence when you take things massively out of context from some right wing site. Do a little research and interpretation and you’ll see that their views may be wrong.

Lol! I read the Qu’ran, the aHadith, Muhammad Rasul Allah, Reliance of the Traveller (Allhas divine law) AND the major MUSLIM Scholars about Islam like Ibn Kathir, Al-Jalalayn, Ibn Abbas, etc

Karl Spensen said:
YES YES YES!!!111 Oh Norbit, you are the only one here who rivals me when it comes to PASSION and CAPITALIZATION!!!11 And you are SO RIGHT!!!!!111 Just like the LEFT has been exposed as a bunch of SEXIST RACISTS (oh GOD saying that gives me SUCH a Freedom Chubby), they have now been exposed as ISLAMOPHOBES!!!!!!!!111

I mean don’t get me wrong, there is PLENTY to be afraid of when it comes to MUSLINS!!!!111 But the only thing worse than a MUSLIN TERRORIST (which is ALL of them) is a LEFTIST community organizer SEIU union thug black panther communist marxist fascist race-card playing Muslin LIBERAL!!!!!!!1111

As I’ve said before, the moral equivalent of masturbation. The only person Karl is pleasuring is himself.

Thanks once again posters for proving that commenters on this site have got to be the most fucking stupid humans to ever visit earth. You are the most dangerous, dense empty headed, brainwashed people.. and at least you’re consistant with it.

I didn’t bother to watch, but did Ratigan make mention of the fact that Saddam was giving $25,000 to the families of terrorists? I’m just a little curious if he ignored that fact or not. I also wonder if Ratigan pointed out the deafening silence from muslims every damn time there is a terrorist attack perpetrated in the name of allah? And, interesting fact, as of this post there has been 16,212 terrorist attacks done in the name of allah since 9/11. We may not be at war with islam, but they seem to be at war with someone…

Nahu Tuk said:
That apparently would include YOU.

Lol! There are 2 option:
1. you are dumb
2. you are operating under false flag
I don’t care!
ByeBye

Nice try Tommy. You should be thankful you are not invited on BOR!

Ninja said:
So let me get this straight, absolutely no funding came from the Taliban? All funding came from Saudi Arabia? Funny, I thought that the Taliban were actually based in Afghanistan and actually controlled the majority of that country. I’m sure that they only sheltered al quaeda but did not fund them in any way whatsoever. Great logic Dylan!

THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POST ABOVE !!! YOU HAVE NO CLUE OBVIOUSLY WHO THE TALIBAN ARE! THANK YOU FOR PROVING YET AGAIN HOW UTTERLY STUPID AND CLUELESS RIGHT WINGERS ARE !

allat said:
Yeah, if you ignore major parts of the Qu’ran and the aHadith AND History, you can some how reach that conclusion! Congratulation! But the problem is, that not only Islam critiques will test these conclusion, but also devout Muslims! e.g. conflicts between Muslims since Abu Bakr!

But didn’t you yourself ignore major parts of the Qur’an when you used a quote that was completely out of context and is usually the most misquoted piece of Islamic text. But see, we aren’t using history to argue here, we are using the religious text. You chose to show how their religious text makes them violent and evil, and it is just as easy to do the same with showing Muslims as good and pure using the exact same religious text. Same can be said about all religious texts. (I think religion was initially a good idea at its outset, but it has been so distorted for personal gains that now, religion has no longer served the good of humanity that people believes it does. Religion is unnecessary now in my opinion. You should have a spiritual connection with a higher power, sure, but you shouldn’t force your connection on other people. Personal spiritual development is a private thing, and organized religion is far from private.)

Dronetek said:
Well, none of it was true for one. The attacks around the world, on the Cole, on the 1st WTC or the 2nd, were not dont by “a single sect”. They were done by a conglomerate of extreme Islamic terrorist groups. These wars are funded and supported inside Iraq, Syria, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Turkey, Egypt and India.

In conclusion, RATigan is a moron who talks out of his ass and hopes nobody will check his facts.

OMG! OMG ! OMG ! YOU PEOPLE ARE SO FREAKING UNINFORMED IT IS STUNNING !

allat said:
Lol! I read the Qu’ran, the aHadith, Muhammad Rasul Allah, Reliance of the Traveller (Allhas divine law) AND the major MUSLIM Scholars about Islam like Ibn Kathir, Al-Jalalayn, Ibn Abbas, etc

Then why did you choose to use the same quotes that have been making the rounds on the right wing sites? And then making there same interpretation? Did they get it from you?

Why take the terror thing out of context, when I’m not even a Qur’an scholar and I read the whole quote in context and got a different message out of it, and it turned out to be very similar to other scholarly interpretations?

I am just wondering, does anyone else think that Ms O’Donnel gave the impression that she wished she could walk off that set?

ConLoonPatrol said:
THANK YOU FOR PROVING MY POST ABOVE !!! YOU HAVE NO CLUE OBVIOUSLY WHO THE TALIBAN ARE! THANK YOU FOR PROVING YET AGAIN HOW UTTERLY STUPID AND CLUELESS RIGHT WINGERS ARE !

Please educate me oh great scholar! Your obvious intellectual superiority is clearly showing through with your posts on this topic!

Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar feel strongly enough about the Muslim religion as to create a scene defending them. Now, once Shariah law is implemented, do you think the Muslims will afford them the same consideration?

Spinecrusher:

You said this:

Ratigan was talking about the terrorists who attacked us on 9/11 and where THEIR funding came from…that’s it…nothing more.

I suggest you clean out your ears and listen again……Barnicle brought up the African Embassy’s and the Cole Bombing, to which Ratigan replied: “yes, yes”

So perhaps you should listen before you leap, eh?

chiefjgmac said:
I am just wondering, does anyone else think that Ms O’Donnel gave the impression that she wished she could walk off that set?

She wasn’t on that set. Moron.

RIChris said:
Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar feel strongly enough about the Muslim religion as to create a scene defending them. Now, once Shariah law is implemented, do you think the Muslims will afford them the same consideration?

Actually, I would rather they both be in burkas.

Think he meant msnbc is still fighting the war with fox so here I go, which isnt a contest anyways because the ratings and the rheteroic is so lopsided…and coming to bayhars defense is about as good as defending a loud fart in a crowded theatre…

Dear Mr. Papshmer:

You said: “She wasn’t on that set. Moron.” In reference to Ms. O’donnel. I suggest you rewatch the video, I’d agree that she wasn’t there mentally (she had that real lost in space look on her face) but indeed, she was there, sitting in a chair, in plain sight.

Mediate is just another left wing rag.

Mr.Papshmer said:
She wasn’t on that set. Moron.

slamming someone who probably agrees with you
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norah_O%27Donnell
She was on that set. Moron.

It seems that the left loves Islam. Unsure why, Muslims decrey everything you hold dear. Bottom Line, the fanatics in the muslim world, are a minority, sure, lets say, 1%. Now, there are studies showing that upwards of 30% support AQ in various Muslim nations and support homicide bombing as a “resistance”. Throw that out, the funding is coming from everywhere, wahabists are insane extremists, so if SA with what 20,000 or so crazies is ok, then they are the problem, on 9/11 they sure as hell were. What 14 out of 19. Anyway, when is the left going to finally get the facts straight about the terror threat. Obama knows it, he is blasting them back to the stoneage all over the place and keeping everything in place from Bush. The left though, they reflexively look to another villian, all the time, and it is usually at home. The fear of the other is so great that they are playing a game with history, to somehow divert themselves from the fact that , yes some cultures and civilizations are superior to others. Every time a bomb blows or some kid is hung for being Gay, it smashes a hole in the whole Multiculturalism machine. They hate that… The West is simply Superior to the backward Muslim world that is breeding hatred globally. I thank the heavens every day that I was born here. And , check me, but the migration to those lands seems a little , well non existent. Now, why is that?

Ratigan is right, but limiting the scope so as to again play the game. Elements of Islam are incompatible with western values and civilization. PERIOD. Sharia and our western legal traditions ” are incompatible”. Yet, we blame the money men? Blame Bill O….. Blame should be placed where it belongs, on the book and the teachers.

So 1% huh, jeez, I guess that about 13,000,000 people out there in the Muslim world are mighty upset, and always will be.

TfT said:
Dear Mr. Papshmer:

You said: “She wasn’t on that set. Moron.” In reference to Ms. O’donnel. I suggest you rewatch the video, I’d agree that she wasn’t there mentally (she had that real lost in space look on her face) but indeed, she was there, sitting in a chair, in plain sight.

Well, my mistake and I apologize to Chief. I suppose that must be that woman’s name? I figured he was referencing the other O’Donnell’s appearance the other night. I don’t watch msnbc and don’t know the names of their talent.

Good to see you man-up and apologize for your error. I hope you are not offended that I used the term “man-up”; Tommy may come on board and criticize me for using it…but ya know what I mean.

allat said:
Islam A Religion of Peace?

Do you really believe that? I have some land I want to sell you… Granted it is a little wet now, but when they drain the swamp, it will be choice.

Call me… 1-800-URGullable

Mr.Papshmer said:
So I’m left wondering, who is this Ameriphobe, and why should I care what he thinks?

I’m wondering whether its true that more people walked of the set of The View yesterday than saw this guy on MSMBC.

Dylan Ratigan is a genius. We thought that Muslims attacked us on 9-11. But now Ratigan brilliantly points out that only SOME Muslims attacked us on 9-11. Dang, we would never have figured that out without Dylan Ratigan. Heck, we have spent the last decade believing that EVERY MUSLIM ON THE PLANET was inside the cockpit of those planes. Give that man a Pulitzer and a lifetime pass to the Ground Zero mosque.

I think I understand about different muslim groups and I do pretty much under what a radical is….but can someone tell me who the hell Dylan Ratigan is?

I find it hard to hilarious that you think that Rattigan, a business journalist for most of his life would be a better resource about middle east history and politics versus O’Reilly. O’Reilley earned his masters in Pulbic Administration from Harvard, one of the top programs in the world. Dylan Rattigan, according to his CNBC bio, is a business journalist by trade and has a BA in potical economics from Union College.

MSNBC should do itself a favor and memo its staff to stop talking about O’Reilly and Beck anymore. Brokaw and Russert would never tarnish the NBC news history like this.

What comes across from many of the comments is that the right is massively uninformed about history and culture. Just imagine if McCain had won where we’d be today. For sure, we’d be getting into more wars instead of trying to get out of the current ones. The economy would be worse than it is because the right has no program other than the mantra, “cut taxes and spending”, which is BS. I used the word ‘warmonger’ in a recent comment referring to the rightwing’s proclivity for violence and war. Some found it offensive and old hat. The ignorance shown by the current crop of Teapublicans is so extreme that if these people ever get control of this country we and the world will be in deep doo. Strangely enough, McCain, as compromised and confused as he is, is probably the last major responsible Republican we’ll see for quite some time.

ganymede said:
What comes across from many of the comments is that the right is massively uninformed about history and culture. Just imagine if McCain had won where we’d be today.

Gee, I’m so sorry! I apologize for having a right to vote! Yes, we’d be in deep crap… It’s a good thing that Obama won the election, unemployment is staying below 8%, everyone has health insurance and spending less for it, and racism is a thing of the past. Yeah, that dude’s just like Jesus Christ, isn’t he?

My oh my, reading the comments cements why we are in the mess we are in today. To think, these asswipes vote! Don’t you often think after reading rambling verbage like this, did these same pontificators write like this about George Dumbia Bush? Probably not. That is why guys like Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld could get away with what they did. And, and the predicament that we are in today, according to some of these wipes is no ones fault buy Obamas. Dylan Ratigan is the ONLY person hosting a show that holds people accountable.
Obviously, the asswipes commenting here can not, will not, or because of what must seem obvious character
deferements acknowledge this.

felixw said:
Dylan Ratigan is a genius. We thought that Muslims attacked us on 9-11. But now Ratigan brilliantly points out that only SOME Muslims attacked us on 9-11. Dang, we would never have figured that out without Dylan Ratigan. Heck, we have spent the last decade believing that EVERY MUSLIM ON THE PLANET was inside the cockpit of those planes. Give that man a Pulitzer and a lifetime pass to the Ground Zero mosque.

You’re so correct, Felix. Let’s just all change the MSNBC motto:
From: Lean Forward
To: Bend Over

I would love to see a debate which would include Dylan Ratigan, Thom Hartman, Lawrence O’Donnel
against Ru$h Limbaugh, Brian Kilmeade, Hannity, Beck, O’Really,Michael Weiner and add more if you will
because they will need all the help they could get. It would be FACTS vs Frenzy.

I just love it when these old white farts on MSNBC, think they are the ‘experts’ on almost any given topic, when they actually know nothing.

The comments on this thread are hilarious. That Dylan Ratigan would show his face on TV (even on a network like MSNBC) and try to imply the only the Wahabbi sect of Islam is committing terrorist acts is truly laughable. Wahhabism is simply a Sunni Islamic sect. Ratigan tries to imply that Wahhabism is a separate branch of Islam. Any Sunni Muslim can say he follows the teachings of Wahhabism. The Taliban, who protected, supported, trained with, and participated in terrorist acts with Al Qaeda, is made up of mostly Sunni Muslims. Ramsi Yousef, the main perpetrator of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, was a Sunni Muslim from Kuwait. Mohamed Atta, the mastermind and the ringleader of the 9/11 attacks and also pilot of AA flight 11, was a Sunni Muslim from Egypt. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the doctor who was called Bin Laden’s lieutenant but was widely considered the brains behind Al Qaeda, was not a very religious man, and joined the Muslim Brotherhood (another primarily Sunni group) by age 14. None of these guys were Wahabbis before joining Al Qaeda. Terrorists have been planning, financing, training, and preparing for acts like 9/11 since the 1980′s. All Ratigan is trying to do is minimize Islamic terrorism as if it is just some small David Koresh led sect with just a few followers. He could not be more wrong.

Andy Lamb said:
The comments on this thread are hilarious. That Dylan Ratigan would show his face on TV (even on a network like MSNBC) and try to imply the only the Wahabbi sect of Islam is committing terrorist acts is truly laughable. Wahhabism is simply a Sunni Islamic sect. Ratigan tries to imply that Wahhabism is a separate branch of Islam. Any Sunni Muslim can say he follows the teachings of Wahhabism. The Taliban, who protected, supported, trained with, and participated in terrorist acts with Al Qaeda, is made up of mostly Sunni Muslims. Ramsi Yousef, the main perpetrator of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, was a Sunni Muslim from Kuwait. Mohamed Atta, the mastermind and the ringleader of the 9/11 attacks and also pilot of AA flight 11, was a Sunni Muslim from Egypt. Ayman al-Zawahiri, the doctor who was called Bin Laden’s lieutenant but was widely considered the brains behind Al Qaeda, was not a very religious man, and joined the Muslim Brotherhood (another primarily Sunni group) by age 14. None of these guys were Wahabbis before joining Al Qaeda. Terrorists have been planning, financing, training, and preparing for acts like 9/11 since the 1980’s. All Ratigan is trying to do is minimize Islamic terrorism as if it is just some small David Koresh led sect with just a few followers. He could not be more wrong.

These comments are equally hilarious and painfully simplistic. As an old professor from an “elite” university once told me. “I expect you to know that much when you walked through the door.” Looks to me like a nice cut and paste job from wikipedia; congratulations.

Ratigan was on the money; not that it would matter to you. I might suggest some more work on the “internets.”

Ted- said:
These comments are equally hilarious and painfully simplistic. As an old professor from an “elite” university once told me. “I expect you to know that much when you walked through the door.” Looks to me like a nice cut and paste job from wikipedia; congratulations. Ratigan was on the money; not that it would matter to you. I might suggest some more work on the “internets.”

Ted, thanks for not ripping me a new one, as you do to so many on here with insults and name calling. My post is not a cut and paste from wiki or anywhere else. Did I go to the web to double check what I remembered about the Wahabbi sect of Sunni Muslim religion before I posted it? Yes, I did. I didn’t want to do what Ratigan did just posting on a thread on a Mediaite board, let alone going on national television and saying something very, very misleading. He basically said that terrorism is all due to Wahhabism and that Saudi Arabia funds it all, which is pretty much complete bullshit.

Karl Spensen said:
I don’t TRUST the LAMESTREAM media, so the only news I get that ISN’T from FOX NEWS (The Most Powerful Name in News) is from Tea Party E-MAIL FORWARDS!!!!111 And let me tell you something, everything I needed to know about ISLAM I learned on 9/11(tm)!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111

What I find most amusing about you Karl is that even some conservatives can’t tell whether or not you’re a conservative.

felixw said:
Dylan Ratigan is a genius. We thought that Muslims attacked us on 9-11. But now Ratigan brilliantly points out that only SOME Muslims attacked us on 9-11. Dang, we would never have figured that out without Dylan Ratigan. Heck, we have spent the last decade believing that EVERY MUSLIM ON THE PLANET was inside the cockpit of those planes. Give that man a Pulitzer and a lifetime pass to the Ground Zero mosque.

That is the way that many on the right behave; you attempt to demonize and discriminate against hard-working, upstanding americans simply because of their religion in the same way many on the right do towards gays. It’s like a never ending cycle.

Andy Lamb said:
Ted, thanks for not ripping me a new one, as you do to so many on here with insults and name calling. My post is not a cut and paste from wiki or anywhere else. Did I go to the web to double check what I remembered about the Wahabbi sect of Sunni Muslim religion before I posted it? Yes, I did. I didn’t want to do what Ratigan did just posting on a thread on a Mediaite board, let alone going on national television and saying something very, very misleading. He basically said that terrorism is all due to Wahhabism and that Saudi Arabia funds it all, which is pretty much complete bullshit.

Hmmmm. I don’t think Ratigan knows that funds funnel through SA but I don’t think you do either. Something that he probably should have left unsaid. This is how rumors get started.

Ninja said:
Regardless, the point of Dylans rant was that only the wahabi-salfhi faction of Islam has ever funded any terror operation. He states this with certainty several times. This is patently false as the taliban follow strict sunni beliefs which the wahabi sect has considered to be ignorant for thousands of years. To make the statement he made, I have to believe he is either lacking analytical skills or intellictually dishonest.

I don’t know who you’re trying to fool, the video is right at the top. The facts he stated have been known for years….keep living in your fantasy world, the rest of us will move on in the real world.

and BTW, the Taliban are a majority Pashtun…once again, just do some simple research and you’ll understand the complexity.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
What I find most amusing about you Karl is that even some conservatives can’t tell whether or not you’re a conservative.

LOL

Mr.Papshmer said:
Never mind the question, just straight to the insults. That’s cool, if you’re only here to receive thumbs up from the rabid progressives here, but the increasing bitterness and intolerance from the left of anything not in line with their view is a big part of the reason that people who had been politically asleep for so long are now just realizing what a bunch of intolerant bigots progressives are for the most part. And no one likes an intolerant bigot. Not a real one, anyway. Regular people going about their regular lives are not intolerant bigots, and when progressives fling that at them with no merit whatsoever, they’re first left thinking, “What an asshole”, they they associate progressives with assholes.

your ignorance is what’s insulting.

As you stated here…you are a newbie to politics, maybe you should have dipped your toe in the pool before jumping in head first…this is NOT touch-football. If you do not know what you’re talking about then you shouldn’t be posting or YOU WILL GET TORN DOWN.

That’s politics, deal with it.

RIChris said:
Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar feel strongly enough about the Muslim religion as to create a scene defending them. Now, once Shariah law is implemented, do you think the Muslims will afford them the same consideration?

Once Sharia law is implemented? WTF are you smoking?

Are you such a pussy that you’re just going to hand the country over to a minority population because all the scary talk coming from that screen in the corner of your house.

Pathetic! Where are the real Patriots?

Ted- said:
Hmmmm. I don’t think Ratigan knows that funds funnel through SA but I don’t think you do either. Something that he probably should have left unsaid. This is how rumors get started.

I’m sure a hell of a lot of the money comes from Saudi Arabia, but it comes from elsewhere also. In Afghanistan, it came from and still comes from drug trade, opium poppies. This is pretty common knowledge, big business over there. I know that 15 of the 19 assholes came from Saudi Arabia, but I absolutely believe that if Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and all of the recruiting and training camps that was all centered in Afghanistan had instead been in Saudi Arabia, we would have been dropping all the hardware there. Saudi Arabia kicked Bin Laden out 15 years ago. He hates their government probably more than he hates ours.

SpineCrusher said:
Once Sharia law is implemented?

I will agree with you for sure here, there will never be Sharia law in the U.S. Maybe whoever said that was just using hyperbole, I don’t know. But yeah, it’ll never happen.

Florenzo said:
I would love to see a debate which would include Dylan Ratigan, Thom Hartman, Lawrence O’Donnelagainst Ru$h Limbaugh, Brian Kilmeade, Hannity, Beck, O’Really,Michael Weiner and add more if you willbecause they will need all the help they could get. It would be FACTS vs Frenzy.

here! here!

I would pay money to see that!

Andy Lamb said:
I’m sure a hell of a lot of the money comes from Saudi Arabia, but it comes from elsewhere also. In Afghanistan, it came from and still comes from drug trade, opium poppies. This is pretty common knowledge, big business over there. I know that 15 of the 19 assholes came from Saudi Arabia, but I absolutely believe that if Bin Laden, Al Qaeda, and all of the recruiting and training camps that was all centered in Afghanistan had instead been in Saudi Arabia, we would have been dropping all the hardware there. Saudi Arabia kicked Bin Laden out 15 years ago. He hates their government probably more than he hates ours.

Can’t disagree. You make some very good points.

ConLoonPatrol said:
OMG! OMG ! OMG ! YOU PEOPLE ARE SO FREAKING UNINFORMED IT IS STUNNING !

OMG! OMG! OMG! You know everything! OMG! OMG! OMG!

What I said earlier about the incredible ignorance on the right about history, culture and religion is evident in the discussion about Wahhabism. While I’m not an expert, it’s obvious to learned people that Wahhabism is the most extreme, fundamentalist form of Sunni Islam. it’s like the Catholic Church, Southern Baptists, many Evangelicals and ultra orthodox Jews on steroids. They have total control of Saudi Arabia and are into chopping hands off, stoning women, funding terrorism directly and indirectly and much more terrible stuff. They run around Saudi Arabia like the Gestapo and they’re very effective in keeping things ‘under control’. Since Saudi Arabia is our oily ally with tons of money to throw around, PR people have tried to clean up this image of extreme extremism with some success, but it’s not surprising that Wahhabism has had great influence in Sunni Islam countries such as Afghanistan, Pakistan and even Egypt. As we well know, Iraq was a Shite Islamic country under Saddam Hussein until we invaded and upset the whole applecart. Without Wahhabi controlled Saudi Arabian money, there would be very little terrorism. Also, without the extreme rightwing in this country we would probably have fewer wars of choice and a healthier country.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
you attempt to demonize and discriminate against hard-working, upstanding americans

You must be talking about your various comments over the last year about the tea party attendees. I am glad you are finally seeing how bigoted you have been and are ready to apologize.

What’s that? You’re not referring the tea party attendees? You are talking about the Muslim terrorists who flew planes into the World Trade Center? I didn’t know that they were “hard-working upstanding Americans.” I must have missed that news story. Probably ran on MSNBC.

A correction to my recent comment. Saddam Hussein was a Sunni Moslem running a Shite majority country, but there was no love lost as he did not respect the Wahabbi’s and the feeling was mutual. After we invaded, the Sunni Iraqis lost control of Iraq and the Shites, backed by Iran took over. Geo Bush & Co. were also very ignorant of the history, religion and culture of Iraq.

ganymede said:
the Sunni Iraqis lost control of Iraq and the Shites, backed by Iran took over.

For the US to expect Kurds and Shiites to submit again to Sunni rule after the genocidal murders inflicted upon them by Saddam Hussein was, to put it mildly, unrealistic.

The government will be a coalition between Shiites and Kurds, which in a federation type system may work. Any Iranian influence is unfortunate, but I don’t think the Arab Shia in Iraq will allow themselves to be controlled by Persian Shia in Iran.

The IRA has mostly gone political. The Basque seperatists have not had a serious attack in years. McVeigh, who was an agnostic, did his act decades ago, but TODAY and in the last couple of years the MAJORITY of terrorist attacks throughout the world is done in the name of Islam…DUH.
Muslims attack Buhddists in Thailand almost daily in terrorist attacks and that is not 10 nor 5 years ago, but today.
Muslims attack Coptics in Eypgt and that was not 10 nor 5 years ago but recently.
Muslims are attacking Christians in Iraq, not 10 years, nor 5 years ago but recently.
Muslims had major terrorist attacks on Hindu India, not 10 years ago, or 5 years, but last year where 100s were killed in Mumbai.
Muslims are attacking Bhuddists in Bangladesh, not 10 years ago, or 5 years, but this year.
Muslims killed a Jewish family including a pregnant woman,, and attack cars in Israel, not 10 years ago, or 5 years, but this year.
Muslims have attacked gays in gay mecca of the Netherlands, just this year.
Muslims rounded up Catholics in Saudi Arabia just last week for holding prayer meetings.
Muslims in southern Philippines attacked military bases this year.
Muslims burned down Christian churches in Indonesia this year.
Muslims Killed over 500 Christians in Nigeria this year, not 10 years ago.
Arab Muslims have still been killing pagans, black Muslims and Christians in the Sudan
Muslims have been attacking the Somalia government this year.
Muslims bombed and killed people, including people who left Islam and became Christians in Dagestan.
Muslims set off a bomb in Russia’s metro station killing dozens of people THIS YEAR.
Muslims Uigyars attacked Han Chinese in China and killed 100s, not 10 or 5 years ago, but a couple years ago.
Muslim tried to take down a plane going to Detroit just past Christmas.
Muslim tried to blow up a bomb in Time Square.
Muslims caught in Alaska plotting to kill police.
…and that is not the terrorist attacks by Muslims against other Muslim groups.
Shites killing Sunnis in Iraq.
Sunnis killing Shites in Iraq.
Sunnis setting off bombs killing police and army in Iran.
Sunnis killing Shites in Pakistan.
Sunnis attacking Ahamadites in Indonesia.
Sunnis attacking Ahamadites in Pakistan.
Shites attacking Sunnis in Yemen.
…and so on and so on and so on.
Now you can bring up THINGS THAT HAPPENED 20 YEARS AGO…but TODAY…90 percent of terrorist attacks are because of ISLAM.

allat said:
The motivation of the Muslim-Terrorists:
- Allah orders to kill Pagans and to subjugate Jews and Christians (Q.9:5, Q.9:29). Except when they convert to Islam!
- Allah promises paradise for those who kill and are killed for his cause (Q.9:111, Q.4:74, Q.3:157). Especially the 9/11(200)1 verse!
- The reward for male Jihadists is very pleasant; a paradise full of virgins (Q.78:31-40)!

Under Islam atheists would be killed.

allat said:
Lol! There are 2 option:1. you are dumb2. you are operating under false flagI don’t care!ByeBye

Your un-funny clip says a lot about you.

Mr.Papshmer said:
So I’m left wondering, who is this Ameriphobe, and why should I care what he thinks?

Because it’s an incisive view, and it’s the truth? That would be my guess.

JimBob said:
Has anyone, other than some of the staff over at MSNBC, and maybe Ratigan’s
immediate family ever heard of him?

Most informed people have.

SpineCrusher said:
As you stated here…you are a newbie to politics

Don’t recall saying I was a “newbie” to politics, and I suspect I was a member of the Washington State Libertarian Party before you were born, son.

Latin2 said:
the MAJORITY of terrorist attacks throughout the world is done in the name of Islam

And the majority of conflicts worldwide are due to muslims who refuse to get along with non-muslim neighbors. It’s an inconvenient truth, and if one were to substitute Christianity for all the crap islam pulls in the modern world, most libs would be calling for the death and destruction of Christianity. (kinda like they do now, only with more fervor.) Most people see libs for the ignorant hypocrites they are, though.

The inconvenient part of that truth is that the Wahabbi branch of Islam is based in, and funded by, Saudi Arabia, not Iraq, or Afghanistan, or Yemen

Then why the hell did Obama send more troops to Afghanistan? Bush was a war criminal and it looks like Obama is one too. We should put Bush, Cheney, Obama, and Biden on trial and put them all in prison for crimes against humanity.

Latin2 said:
Now you can bring up THINGS THAT HAPPENED 20 YEARS AGO…but TODAY…90 percent of terrorist attacks are because of ISLAM.

Quite a good post.

Dylan gets what…about 200,000 viewers on a good day. Bill O’Reilly gets 3.5 million+++ viewers. each right, Dylan, you ain’t going to school anyone at FOX News.

BTW Dylan, learn how to structure a sentence or question in 20 words or less and actually get to the point. Your War and Peace type sentences and/or questions bore everyone to death.

This rant was probably the most clear and concise criticism I’ve ever heard about the problem with Mainstream Media. Both MSNBC and FOX NEWS feed off the fear and rhetoric being fired point blank into the faces of their viewers without any care if the information they disseminate is accurate or even true. They don’t care about being informative or unbiased… all they care about is ratings.

And if that means cherry-picking facts and disregarding the rest… oh well…

The comments here are indicative of that.