gee this author eyes need a wash out. graham could not defend himself from yesterday and he has no right to question another person’s faith. graham is a bigot and not a christian. that is what i saw in the interview tonight.

Another thing about being a Christian is that you are suppose to demonstrate and act as a Christian. In between the plethora of lies, which I obviously can’t attribute the above statement to because it’s between him and God; the use of Christianity to call out your political opponents, most notably Christians, as liars “they are bearing false witness against me” in reference to obamacare to fund abortions, the constant demonization of the people who God chose as his own in the Old Testament; and on and on.

Indeed, if someone more informed on the issues had read what you quoted above before interviewing Obama, Reverend Graham would’ve had a harder time to defend his position. Equally, if Reverend Graham was more informed on the politics, he’d have just an easy time proving Obama uses religion only to further himself.

Here’s hoping the next interviewer reads this and the next interviewer to Obama asks him what the expiration date on the second(Himself) and ninth commandment(This time Paul Ryan).

Ahh, well, at least we can use religion to our own advantage this time around, eh, Tommy?

I think Graham embarrassed himself.

aamom said:
gee this author eyes need a wash out. graham could not defend himself from yesterday and he has no right to question another person’s faith. graham is a bigot and not a christian. that is what i saw in the interview tonight.

sooooo predictable.

O’Donnell’s wife, pets, and children might be in danger tonight. That’s what we ought to focus on.

Its amazing how people see things differently. I felt Lawrence O’Donnell made embarrassed Graham. He never really answered O’Donnell relative to the Muslim question. After seeing this I would be a suspect about donating to the Graham foundation. He appears to be a crooked as a stick

Mediate, your bias is on full display.

Own?

That’s ridiculous.

I was disappointed Larry wasn’t stronger in that interview.

Obviously Tommy CHRISTopher didn’t watch the same interview as I did or the countless comments I have read on other blogs, both conservative and liberal. Actually Tommy Christ is the only person I have read so far that thought that Franklin Graham (who multiple times was hemming and hawing after LOD asked him a question) owned anything.

Look I know Mediaite has an agenda, and the guy that runs this site has a major beef with MSNBC, I get it and I fully know what I am going to get when I visit this site. But honestly this is nothing short of a joke of an article.

I can also tell you Tommy that I viewed this inteview on Justin.TV in a chat room of about 200 people and none of them thought Franklin owned anything. But somehow I think you know that.

ChrisNH said:
O’Donnell’s wife, pets, and children might be in danger tonight. That’s what we ought to focus on.

What does this mean?

ChrisNH said:
O’Donnell’s wife, pets, and children might be in danger tonight. That’s what we ought to focus on.

Why do you always write vague threats on here against liberals and their families. Sure sign of a pussy is someone who talks a lot of bunk on a website, how powerless do you feel in your everyday life that you have to pose as a bad ass on a political gossip blog?

ChrisNH said:
O’Donnell’s wife, pets, and children might be in danger tonight. That’s what we ought to focus on.

I mean I dont care what people say on here but if anyone should be banned from this site is someone who makes a threat against someones wife and children. Seriously go play in traffic you worthless piece of human filth.

Anderson Cooper is sitting at his desk.

ChrisNH said:
O’Donnell’s wife, pets, and children might be in danger tonight. That’s what we ought to focus on.

http://www.chrisvanveen.com/

Dont threaten anyone’s life on here again Chris Van Veen. You can be reported.

Color Me Badd said:
Obviously Tommy CHRISTopher didn’t watch the same interview as I did or the countless comments I have read on other blogs, both conservative and liberal. Actually Tommy Christ is the only person I have read so far that thought that Franklin Graham (who multiple times was hemming and hawing after LOD asked him a question) owned anything.

Look I know Mediaite has an agenda, and the guy that runs this site has a major beef with MSNBC, I get it and I fully know what I am going to get when I visit this site. But honestly this is nothing short of a joke of an article.

I can also tell you Tommy that I viewed this inteview on Justin.TV in a chat room of about 200 people and none of them thought Franklin owned anything. But somehow I think you know that.

wow! you have no life.

It seems like President Obama’s beliefs about what makes him a Christian line up pretty well with Graham’s, and certainly doesn’t rest his spiritual conversion on a membership card.

Nice and simple. Graham lied, Amanpour’s credibility died.

And if the President said it once, it MUST be true! I mean, he’d never lie about his religion or spiritual leader (Rev. Wright) just to gain votes! Noooo… couldn’t be.

Color Me Badd said:
I mean I dont care what people say on here but if anyone should be banned from this site is someone who makes a threat against someones wife and children. Seriously go play in traffic you worthless piece of human filth.

you stupid twatwaffle, he was saying larry would take his fail out on his family. please go off yourself worthless POS.

Tommy, it’s plain and simple. You continue to PUT words into people’s mouth and insinuate a meaning of your interpretation and it’s getting old and simply stupid. Nobody owned anyone in this interview. Your tone suggests you are an atheist and if this is true that’s fine. But if an agnostic judge were scheduled to hear a case on Christianity he would remove himself from the case because he would not be able to fairly rule in the case. Why don’t you do the same and stop writing about subjects in which you cannot be fair about? Keep doing what you’re doing and I hope you’ll find yourself writing columns for some local newspaper with free distribution of 30,000 copies that nobody reads.

jdubbellu said:
you stupid twatwaffle, he was saying larry would take his fail out on his family. please go off yourself worthless POS.

Careful see how fast I found Chris?

What a surprise! More Trump birther coverage from MSNBC. Yawn…They might as well repeat the same Trump birther segments they ran the previous hour, or yesterday, or the day before, or last week, or the week before, or the week before that. Much like this web site, they can’t let go of this issue. And for good reason: Obama’s track record is such a disaster, the only thing they feel confident defending is his place of birth.

Color Me Badd said:
Careful see how fast I found Chris?

bring it douche.

Tommy Christopher obviously has suffered oxygen loss to the brain at some point. No one but him is spinning this as a triumph for Franklin in any way, shape, or form, at either liberal or conservative websites. But leave it to Christopher to use his biases to shape his interpretation of a story, he is, after all, obsessed completely with Keith Olbermann. I guess reflexively he attacks anything on MSNBC with equal zeal. Someone has got to carry his boss Dan Abrams water right Tommy boy?

jdubbellu said:
who do you think busted your ass for the fake pic you claimed was you? f*cking loser…</blockquote

yeah but that was easy. I dont try and hide anything. Consequences will never be the same /b/

603-769-7340 call me.

Color Me Badd said:
Careful see how fast I found Chris?

ROFL! A cyber stalker!

Color Me Badd said:
yeah but that was easy. I dont try and hide anything. Consequences will never be the same

If you didn’t try to “hide” anything, why were you using a fake photo, and phony life story?

Are you unfamiliar with the definition of “hide?”

Oh, and what are the “consequences” going to be? Should we be terrified?

Color Me Badd said:
I mean I dont care what people say on here but if anyone should be banned from this site is someone who makes a threat against someones wife and children. Seriously go play in traffic you worthless piece of human filth.

Oh but it’s ok if your liberal friends wish someone dead like Rush? You liberals are the same and besides ChrisNH says
“might be in danger tonight.” Not that they were. Get a grip!!

Ye shall judge a man by his works. Graham and these so-called Christians can go on all they want, but it’s their works that many of us find lacking. They are basically lackeys of the billionaire Christians, Jews, Muslims, etc who support these mostly fundamentalist religious organizations. I find that most Evangelical Christian leaders have more in common with the awful Wahabbists who have done so much to denigrate Islam than with the millions of ordinary people who think of themselves as Christians. The only religious organizations worthy of respect are the ‘liberal’ ones who, at least, try to challenge the religious bigots who want to control our minds and our lives along with women’s bodies, not to mention the pederasts who prey on our youth. When was the last time a fundamenalist of any stripe proposed any type of progressive ideology like national health care or a serious reduction of our warmongering habits, or asking the insanely wealthy people in our country to contribute a little bit more to the nation. All they do is think charity will solve our social and economic problems. I should add that I am a true believer, and I know in my heart that God is appalled at the hypocrisy of these religious charlatans.

Poor old angry and gay Lawrence O’Donnell seems to be getting owned by everyone these days. Serves the idiot right for always being such an ahole.

One question for Rev. Franklin Graham. Who are you to question anyone’s christianity? Who are you? Maybe you should pray that no one discovers any of your sins from your past. I have found that people who question others have a deep psychological problem themselves. Hmmm! You are not your father. I’m sure your father would be ashamed of your comments about the president of the United States.

I know it is not God’s word anywhere in the Bible that tells you to question a person about their Christianity. A pastor is called to preach and teach…not get involved in the politics of the world other than to pray for its people.

Rev. Franklin Graham…there’s something wrong here.

Obama is a CINO….christian in name only. Like I said earlier, he only joined Reverend Wright’s church for political reasons and votes in the black community. Obama has used everyone to get up the ladder, and throws them away for his own convenience. He is a master of using the system, and especially gaining an advantage of liberal white guilt. The man was totally unqualified to be president, and look where we are at now.

For any of you so called ” Liberal Christians ” can you please cite for me in Bible where it says anything OTHER than being saved thru Jesus Christ can you enter heaven ? If not why is Franklin Graham wrong for condemning Islam ? Was Mohammed in the Bible ? I have seen Graham and never once has he condemned an individual person , just the religion .

I’m not exactly the most religious person , but Liberals Christian always struck me as wishy

For any of you so called ” Liberal Christians ” can you please cite for me in Bible where it says anything OTHER than being saved thru Jesus Christ can you enter heaven ? If not why is Franklin Graham wrong for condemning Islam ? Was Mohammed in the Bible ? I have seen Graham and never once has he condemned an individual person , just the religion .

I’m not exactly the most religious person , but Liberals Christian always struck me as odd with this open embrace of all religions .

“(Set aside, for the moment, that Amanpour spends this interview asking questions like “What will the second coming look like?” with a straight face.)”

Nice job insulting the beliefs of pretty much every evangelicial Christian in the world, Tommy. In case you didn’t know, the second coming is pretty much standard Christian doctrine, not some fringy belief that deserves ridicule and mockery, even when a leader of the evangelical community makes misguided statements. Sorry if that disappoints you, but bigotry is bigotry, and you really should be more careful. (Believe it or not, there are actually lots of people that live outside of D.C., NYC, and LA who believe the very things that you find so funny. I suppose, like the president, you’d derisively refer to them as those who “cling to guns and religion.”). Would you lob similar insults against Islam? I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for that.

In the future, I’d suggest focusing less on eschatology and going back to writing “Tommy Maddow” in the inside covers of your notebooks.

Sorry for double .. Need edit button !

If Franklin wasn’t Billy’s son, he’d be working at Home Depot.

milynily said:
If Franklin wasn’t Billy’s son, he’d be working at Home Depot.

And if Ted Kennedy wasn’t the brother JFK, he would’ve been a convicted murderer. What’s your point?

O’Donnell and Graham obviously have different definitions of the phrase “give up everything.”

Although neither one has gone out of his way to avoid collecting personal posessions.

aamom said:
gee this author eyes need a wash out. graham could not defend himself from yesterday and he has no right to question another person’s faith. graham is a bigot and not a christian. that is what i saw in the interview tonight.

Would you feel the same way if it was Jim Bakker instead of Obama?

And on a technical basis-since this isn’t a Christian theocracy he does have the right to question another person’s faith. Just sayin.

Emma said:
I think Graham embarrassed himself.

I think O’Donnell was ready to pass the plate.

jdubbellu said:
you stupid twatwaffle, he was saying larry would take his fail out on his family. please go off yourself worthless POS.

Interesting — you concluded that ChrisNH was talking about spousal abuse even though there was little or no evidence to suggest that. Hmmmm . . .

Victim or aggressor? Just wondering.

Color Me Badd said:
Obviously Tommy CHRISTopher didn’t watch the same interview as I did or the countless comments I have read on other blogs, both conservative and liberal. Actually Tommy Christ is the only person I have read so far that thought that Franklin Graham (who multiple times was hemming and hawing after LOD asked him a question) owned anything. Look I know Mediaite has an agenda, and the guy that runs this site has a major beef with MSNBC, I get it and I fully know what I am going to get when I visit this site. But honestly this is nothing short of a joke of an article. I can also tell you Tommy that I viewed this inteview on Justin.TV in a chat room of about 200 people and none of them thought Franklin owned anything. But somehow I think you know that.

I thought the whole point was that he wasn’t supposed to own anything.

jo hoochie said:
Oh but it’s ok if your liberal friends wish someone dead like Rush? You liberals are the same and besides ChrisNH says
“might be in danger tonight.” Not that they were. Get a grip!!

Let’s see . . . wishing a public figure dead (tacky, but not actionable) vs what appears to have been an explicit threat against someone’s wife and family (later waved away as some sort of spousal abuse fantasy).

And these are the same how?

I’m not evangelical, but I though Franklin’s father would come off a lot more intelligent and reasonable than the son here. I get it that he’s more interested in saving souls, but his pseudo-endorsement of Trump and his weird questioning of the president’s Christianity is truly baffling.

I think O’Donell did waste an opportunity here, but I don’t agree with the assessment that he got “owned” by the reverend here at all. I think part of the problem is the type of simplistic theology that Graham spouts can only be discussed if you are more familiar with fundamentalist “theology”, if we can even call it that.

rubberneck said:
Obama is a CINO….christian in name only. Like I said earlier, he only joined Reverend Wright’s church for political reasons and votes in the black community. Obama has used everyone to get up the ladder, and throws them away for his own convenience. He is a master of using the system, and especially gaining an advantage of liberal white guilt. The man was totally unqualified to be president, and look where we are at now.

And you know these “facts” how? Don’t you get it? Just making shit up doesn’t work anymore. Trying it just makes you look like a fool.

Alice67 said:
What does this mean?

He’s going to give them away to the poor. What do YOU think he means?

possibly said:
Mediate, your bias is on full display. Own? That’s ridiculous.

You are exactly right. He can’t possibly be a Christian if he owns stuff.

possibly said:
Mediate, your bias is on full display.

Own?

That’s ridiculous.

Are you claiming Mediaite is biased to the right? Really?

What I find most compelling is that Obama has a slew of defenders in the media who continually insist he is a bona-fide Christian. However these are the same who villified Bush for being so ardent with his faith.

The thing you are missing out on here Tommy is “lip-service”. Obama’s words above (not sure the date, the link has changed) may hew to Christian belief, but look at the man’s actions — there is a reason many in this country are confused as to his faith. He has not attended services with any regularity, and he was dismissive towards the National Day of Prayer. This weekend he made a point of releasing an official statement in honor of Earth Day, yet there was no mention of either Good Friday, nor Easter. (He did attend services.) Just look at Carney’s fumbling explanation of the oversight. Yet his administration has made the effort to recognize a string of Muslim holy days.

I’m not making an accusation, I’m simply pointing out that what we have seen in practice from Obama does not cement his placement in his faith, it raises many questions.

ganymede said:
Ye shall judge a man by his works. Graham and these so-called Christians can go on all they want, but it’s their works that many of us find lacking.

What have you done that gives you standing to condescend to Graham’s works? What are your works, ganymede?

msblkwidow said:
Who are you?

Ladies and Gentlemen, former congressman Bob Etheridge. Stand up Bob, God love ya!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oqIP9yagkQ

murf said:
For any of you so called ” Liberal Christians ” can you please cite for me in Bible where it says anything OTHER than being saved thru Jesus Christ can you enter heaven ? If not why is Franklin Graham wrong for condemning Islam ? Was Mohammed in the Bible ? I have seen Graham and never once has he condemned an individual person , just the religion . I’m not exactly the most religious person , but Liberals Christian always struck me as odd with this open embrace of all religions .

You must consider all Catholics as ‘liberal christians’ because it has been catholic doctrine for centuries that anyone who lives a good and just life can get into heaven.

ganymede said:
When was the last time a fundamenalist of any stripe proposed any type of progressive ideology like national health care or a serious reduction of our warmongering habits, or asking the insanely wealthy people in our country to contribute a little bit more to the nation.

When was the last time God proposed such a thing? I don’t recall Jesus preaching the virtues of national healthcare or mandatory wealth redistribution.

JanieB said:
Tommy Christopher obviously has suffered oxygen loss to the brain at some point. No one but him is spinning this as a triumph for Franklin in any way, shape, or form, at either liberal or conservative websites. But leave it to Christopher to use his biases to shape his interpretation of a story, he is, after all, obsessed completely with Keith Olbermann. I guess reflexively he attacks anything on MSNBC with equal zeal. Someone has got to carry his boss Dan Abrams water right Tommy boy?

It is a shame. Tommy was one of the last on this site who could be counted on to provide fair and unbias coverage. Guess he’s finally sold out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcy40pvGIGQ

MartiniShark said:
What I find most compelling is that Obama has a slew of defenders in the media who continually insist he is a bona-fide Christian. However these are the same who villified Bush for being so ardent with his faith.

The thing you are missing out on here Tommy is “lip-service”. Obama’s words above (not sure the date, the link has changed) may hew to Christian belief, but look at the man’s actions — there is a reason many in this country are confused as to his faith. He has not attended services with any regularity, and he was dismissive towards the National Day of Prayer. This weekend he made a point of releasing an official statement in honor of Earth Day, yet there was no mention of either Good Friday, nor Easter. (He did attend services.) Just look at Carney’s fumbling explanation of the oversight. Yet his administration has made the effort to recognize a string of Muslim holy days.

I’m not making an accusation, I’m simply pointing out that what we have seen in practice from Obama does not cement his placement in his faith, it raises many questions.

Look, wer’ee dealing with a strange strain of liberal: Modern Liberals/Progressives. They pretty do and say what they want. It’s incorrect to call them out on their hypocrisy because the Modern Liberal belief system does not really subscribe to morals or ethics.

In other words, they have no standards. So they have no problem saying one thing and the saying the exact opposite at a later time. They use OUR rules against us.

mediadoubt said:
O’Donnell and Graham obviously have different definitions of the phrase “give up everything.” Although neither one has gone out of his way to avoid collecting personal posessions.

I think Graham’s point is that he gave up his life and his possessions to the service of Jesus. If he was called to go live in a ditch in the Phillippines he would. Now whether you agree that he was called to live in a nice house and drive a nice car etc is another matter.

In my opinion the logical conclusion of O’Donnell’s philosophy is Graham living in a re-education camp trying to turn two fish heads into soup.

Alz said:
Look, wer’ee dealing with a strange strain of liberal: Modern Liberals/Progressives. They pretty do and say what they want. It’s incorrect to call them out on their hypocrisy because the Modern Liberal belief system does not really subscribe to morals or ethics. In other words, they have no standards. So they have no problem saying one thing and the saying the exact opposite at a later time. They use OUR rules against us.

Now that is the pot calling the kettle black!

murf said:
I’m not exactly the most religious person , but Liberals Christian always struck me as odd with this open embrace of all religions .

I’ll do my best to explain it from my perspective. When Jesus talks of salvation through him, he is speaking of Christ consciousness. Jesus was a man who became Christ …. who attained Christ consciousness. From everything I’ve seen most Christian teachings focus on Jesus Christ, as man who was the son of God …. rather than the focus of Christ consciousness that is available to all human beings. If one understands what Jesus was talking about was Christ consciousness then one understands what he meant by all I am you will be and more. This opens ones heart to as potential and as Christ consciousness yet to be realized. This is what He saw in us and this is what he wants us to see in all our brothers and sisters. This potential is what unites us as one …. whether we are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu or Atheist. Our potential and our evolution towards the ideal of Christ consciousness is what is sacred.

I’ve known atheists who have a much greater understanding of the Sacred than many Christians. All of it is worthless unless one walks the walk.

ElCapitanAmerica said:
I’m not evangelical, but I though Franklin’s father would come off a lot more intelligent and reasonable than the son here. I get it that he’s more interested in saving souls, but his pseudo-endorsement of Trump and his weird questioning of the president’s Christianity is truly baffling. I think O’Donell did waste an opportunity here, but I don’t agree with the assessment that he got “owned” by the reverend here at all. I think part of the problem is the type of simplistic theology that Graham spouts can only be discussed if you are more familiar with fundamentalist “theology”, if we can even call it that.

As opposed to simplistic communist theology.

I realize what I’ve just said will be considered sacrilegious to some here. I won’t debate my beliefs.

Wow. Moderated then deleted. Hmm.

possibly said:

Are you trying to say Mediaite is biased to the right? If so, what’s that based on?

pinandpuller said:
As opposed to simplistic communist theology.

What does this mean? You think the debate of sola fide, and the shallow understanding some have of it in semi religious circles has anything to do with “communist theology”?

Also, please explain to me what “communist theology”, as the term doesn’t exist in serious theological discussions.

Alice67 said:
All of it is worthless unless one walks the walk.

Get to steppin’ sister.

pinandpuller said:
He’s going to give them away to the poor. What do YOU think he means?

There’s been two very different interpretations. I thought I’d go right to the source and inquire. Hope that okay with you.

TheEagle said:
You must consider all Catholics as ‘liberal christians’ because it has been catholic doctrine for centuries that anyone who lives a good and just life can get into heaven.

So burning John Huss at the stake was like rendition?

Then there’s that whole by grace are you saved thru faith…not of works etc. It loses something in Latin. Maybe the Incarnations of Immortality series is older than I think.

Alice67 said:
I’ll do my best to explain it from my perspective. When Jesus talks of salvation through him, he is speaking of Christ consciousness. Jesus was a man who became Christ …. who attained Christ consciousness. From everything I’ve seen most Christian teachings focus on Jesus Christ, as man who was the son of God …. rather than the focus of Christ consciousness that is available to all human beings. If one understands what Jesus was talking about was Christ consciousness then one understands what he meant by all I am you will be and more. This opens ones heart to as potential and as Christ consciousness yet to be realized. This is what He saw in us and this is what he wants us to see in all our brothers and sisters. This potential is what unites us as one …. whether we are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu or Atheist. Our potential and our evolution towards the ideal of Christ consciousness is what is sacred.

You are free to believe whatever you wish, but I just want to highlight that what you expressed here is not a Christian explanation of Christian salvation under any mainstream understanding from Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or even fundamentalist perspectives.

ElCapitanAmerica said:
Also, please explain to me what “communist theology”, as the term doesn’t exist in serious theological discussions.

Liberation theology, and the theory is all over some very silly, yet somehow still oddly respected theological discussions. It’s Marxism with the odd “Praise Jesus!” deployed as window dressing.

Alice67 said:
There’s been two very different interpretations. I thought I’d go right to the source and inquire. Hope that okay with you.

I hear hope is making a comeback.

Maybe you should listen to Blue Bayou because that’s what my post did to you.

MartiniShark said:
I’m not making an accusation, I’m simply pointing out that what we have seen in practice from Obama does not cement his placement in his faith, it raises many questions.

What most people don’t seem to understand though is that it’s none of their business. We live in a country where there is to be no religious test for anyone in public office.

ElCapitanAmerica said:
You are free to believe whatever you wish, but I just want to highlight that what you expressed here is not a Christian explanation of Christian salvation under any mainstream understanding from Catholic, Orthodox, Protestant or even fundamentalist perspectives.

No. But there are plenty of people who follow the teachings of Christ, consider themselves to be Christian who believe exactly this. Unity, New Thought and on and on.

Alice67 said:
No. But there are plenty of people who follow the teachings of Christ, consider themselves to be Christian who believe exactly this. Unity, New Thought and on and on.

What’s the name of your cult?

Alice67 said:
No. But there are plenty of people who follow the teachings of Christ, consider themselves to be Christian who believe exactly this. Unity, New Thought and on and on.

PNW ?

TheEagle said:
Now that is the pot calling the kettle black!

Or the fortune cookie calling the sugar cookie white.

ganymede said:
Ye shall judge a man by his works.

Umm… not quite right, but good try. How about – By their fruits you shall know them – meaning whatever is produced through the hard work, genuine love will either bear fruit or thorns. You seem to be confusing politics with religion. Charity does go a very long way in solving social and economic woes. I believe you’ve not had very much firsthand experience with ministries that are out there truly changing their neighborhood, city and nations with no other ulterior motive than being a living example of God’s love.

pinandpuller said:
I hear hope is making a comeback.

Maybe you should listen to Blue Bayou because that’s what my post did to you.

Have no idea what you’re talking about.

TheEagle said:
It is a shame. Tommy was one of the last on this site who could be counted on to provide fair and unbias coverage. Guess he’s finally sold out.

By “fair and unbiased” you mean never criticizes the left, right?

Pablo said:
Liberation theology, and the theory is all over some very silly, yet somehow still oddly respected theological discussions. It’s Marxism with the odd “Praise Jesus!” deployed as window dressing.

I was hoping he’d say that but yes, that’d be the closest (although people don’t refer to it as ‘communist theology’), funny that I had a discussion about that just yesterday with a friend who wrote his thesis on it (but now claims he never really endorsed it).

Lib. Theology seems kinda pretty much dead for all intents and purposes, btw.

tws258 said:
PNW ?

Don’t know what this means.

Alice67 said:
Have no idea what you’re talking about.

I know, you were a Manson follower in the 60′s, right?

pinandpuller said:
Maybe you should listen to Blue Bayou because that’s what my post did to you.

lols

Alice67 said:
I’ll do my best to explain it from my perspective. When Jesus talks of salvation through him, he is speaking of Christ consciousness. Jesus was a man who became Christ …. who attained Christ consciousness. From everything I’ve seen most Christian teachings focus on Jesus Christ, as man who was the son of God …. rather than the focus of Christ consciousness that is available to all human beings. If one understands what Jesus was talking about was Christ consciousness then one understands what he meant by all I am you will be and more. This opens ones heart to as potential and as Christ consciousness yet to be realized. This is what He saw in us and this is what he wants us to see in all our brothers and sisters. This potential is what unites us as one …. whether we are Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or Hindu or Atheist. Our potential and our evolution towards the ideal of Christ consciousness is what is sacred. I’ve known atheists who have a much greater understanding of the Sacred than many Christians. All of it is worthless unless one walks the walk.

In all candor I was flying out of Sky Harbor one time and someone gave me a book called the something something of Jesus the Christ and it pretty much sounded like what you just said. That and when Greg Gutfeldt retweets Deepak Chopra. I guess your philosophy could be dubbed Deepak’s Wager but I don’t think that you are likely to beat the spread between He and thee.

Alice67 said:
Don’t know what this means.

Pacific Northwest . Unity , New Thought ……… Oregon ?

Alice67 said:
I realize what I’ve just said will be considered sacrilegious to some here. I won’t debate my beliefs.

You can own your beliefs in pretty much any religion. We already know you don’t debate much of anything.

I love hearing the hypocrisy from MSNBC. O’Donnell insists that no one can know what is going on in Obama’s heart, so any accusations about his motivations are bogus. I remind you, this is the same network that announced “BUSH LIED” about a million times on the air. It seems that when it comes to Republican Presidents, the MSNBC hosts know exactly what going on inside their heads and can gauge their innermost motivations. Who can take such clumsy spinmeisters seriously?

pinandpuller said:
In all candor I was flying out of Sky Harbor one time and someone gave me a book called the something something of Jesus the Christ and it pretty much sounded like what you just said. That and when Greg Gutfeldt retweets Deepak Chopra. I guess your philosophy could be dubbed Deepak’s Wager but I don’t think that you are likely to beat the spread between He and thee.

Well thank God it’s not up to you. :)

tws258 said:
Pacific Northwest . Unity , New Thought ……… Oregon ?

Yes, I’m in Ashland Oregon, but was going to New Thought Church when I lived in Sarasota Florida. Also studied a book called A Course In Miracles for 20 years.

Alice67 said:
Yes, I’m in Ashland Oregon, but was going to New Thought Church when I lived in Sarasota Florida. Also studied a book called A Course In Miracles for 20 years.

Start with EST ?

ElCapitanAmerica said:
What does this mean? You think the debate of sola fide, and the shallow understanding some have of it in semi religious circles has anything to do with “communist theology”? Also, please explain to me what “communist theology”, as the term doesn’t exist in serious theological discussions.

Wow now I know how Alice feels.

I was just making a backhanded reference to LOD in the context of religion and ideology since LOD is an avowed socialist and Graham a Christian.

When you really come down to it though its all about which guy with a beard you read and model your life after. Jesus, Moses, Mohammed, Darwin, Marx?

Obama and Bush don’t have beards if that helps any. And that Quaker Oats guy doesn’t have a mustache so that doesn’t count either.

Alice67 said:
What most people don’t seem to understand though is that it’s none of their business. We live in a country where there is to be no religious test for anyone in public office.

So that’s why there have been so many athiest presidents. And why Bill and Hillary Clinton and Al Gore and John Edwards and BHO et al always manage to end up in a (typically) black church during that silly season.

**WINK WINK**

What was Tommy Christopher smoking before he saw this interview?

Alice67 said:
No. But there are plenty of people who follow the teachings of Christ, consider themselves to be Christian who believe exactly this. Unity, New Thought and on and on.

Lord, Lord…yada yada yada…I never knew you…

Resistance Is Futile said:
What was Tommy Christopher smoking before he saw this interview?

Said the son and the heir , of nothing in particular.

mlb said:
Umm… not quite right, but good try. How about – By their fruits you shall know them – meaning whatever is produced through the hard work, genuine love will either bear fruit or thorns. You seem to be confusing politics with religion. Charity does go a very long way in solving social and economic woes. I believe you’ve not had very much firsthand experience with ministries that are out there truly changing their neighborhood, city and nations with no other ulterior motive than being a living example of God’s love.

Secret Millionare will be mandatory…

tws258 said:
Start with EST ?

Nope. Started with an Eastern meditation in 1973. Lived in an Ashram for a while.

Alice67 said:
Have no idea what you’re talking about.

Thanks for making my point.

Alice67 said:
Nope. Started with an Eastern meditation in 1973. Lived in an Ashram for a while.

My second thought .

Alice67 said:
Well thank God it’s not up to you. :)

Well if you’re correct it doesn’t really matter. If I AM then you only have one shot.

Actually started as a child since I was a pretty devout Catholic growing up. Children of Mary, CYO.

Alice67 said:
Yes, I’m in Ashland Oregon, but was going to New Thought Church when I lived in Sarasota Florida. Also studied a book called A Course In Miracles for 20 years.

I studied Bloom County. I love Bagran Bill lol

Alice67 said:
Actually started as a child since I was a pretty devout Catholic growing up. Children of Mary, CYO.

I think Obama is a secret Catholic who sees Mary in every evil foreign dictator he meets.

(Being for the benefit of Ms Alice)

BECAUSE HE GENUFLECTS!!!

Larry O’s logic traps always backfire on him. Everybody loves a good train wreck and O doesn’t disappoint.

pinandpuller said:
I think Graham’s point is that he gave up his life and his possessions to the service of Jesus. If he was called to go live in a ditch in the Phillippines he would. Now whether you agree that he was called to live in a nice house and drive a nice car etc is another matter.

In my opinion the logical conclusion of O’Donnell’s philosophy is Graham living in a re-education camp trying to turn two fish heads into soup.

Agreed. O’Donnel was trying the “no honest clergyman has more than one suit” ploy and Graham didn’t fall for it. That being said, I don’t thing Graham owned O’Donnell except in the sense that O’D was trying to portray Graham as a moron, which he doesn’t appear to be.

I have lots of problems with Graham, but his ability to competently defend his faith isn’t one of them.

Alz said:
Look, wer’ee dealing with a strange strain of liberal: Modern Liberals/Progressives. They pretty do and say what they want. It’s incorrect to call them out on their hypocrisy because the Modern Liberal belief system does not really subscribe to morals or ethics.

In other words, they have no standards. So they have no problem saying one thing and the saying the exact opposite at a later time. They use OUR rules against us.

Alz, Alz, Alz, there you go again, just making shit up.

You clearly don’t have the slightest idea what anyone outside your own head believes and you prove how cramped the space inside your head is every time you hit a key. I’d suggest you get a life, but you’d just waste it.

Jaurez said:
What’s the name of your cult?

I could ask you the same question.

Christopher must have a strong disliking for O’Donnell. I did not see O’Donnell “owned” as I watched the segment on television.

I saw Graham struggling like a fish out of water as he continued to avert O’Donnell’s comments with, “I just want you to love God. I just want everybody to love God.”, and squeezing in with machine-gun rapid fire the tried and true “And God gave his only begotten Son…” – which had nothing to do with O’Donnell’s questions, and of which we saw NOTHING when he was interviewed by Amanpour, who soft balled him.

Graham is a disgrace to his calling, and from my perspective O’Donnell did a great job of exposing him.

Tommy, is this a condescending comment towards Christians?:

(Set aside, for the moment, that Amanpour spends this interview asking questions like “What will the second coming look like?” with a straight face.)

OxyCon said:
Tommy, is this a condescending comment towards Christians?:

Yes, and that was the only thing about Tommy’s article I liked. The second coming? Hahaha yeah right. Jesus never existed, no historian from that time period ever wrote about him, and yet wrote about other reformers and rebels in the area that the supposed Jesus Christ was from. The few references to the historical Jesus from that time period have been proven to be forgeries. Jesus never existed, so the entire religion of Christianity is based on complete bullshit. What idiots.

And of course anyone who has ever studied comparative religions (which I have) know that the dying god solar myth has existed for over 3000 years starting with Zoroaster and continuing with Mithra, Horus, Odin and the list goes on. The story of Jesus not only isn’t true but was ripped off wholesale from older mythologies. I am convinced that Christians either don’t know their own history or are just complete idiots.

hgovernick said: O’Donnell did a great job of exposing him.

And that’s why…You sir, are an idiot.

murf said:
For any of you so called ” Liberal Christians ” can you please cite for me in Bible where it says anything OTHER than being saved thru Jesus Christ can you enter heaven ? If not why is Franklin Graham wrong for condemning Islam ? Was Mohammed in the Bible ? I have seen Graham and never once has he condemned an individual person , just the religion .

I’m not exactly the most religious person , but Liberals Christian always struck me as wishy

I challenge you to tell us where Jesus Himself says that only by His “saving” us can we enter Heaven. I want you to include the word “save” or “saving” from the Bible in your response to my challenge.

Paul G said:
And that’s why…You sir, are an idiot.

Says the goofball with the propeller headed cartoon for a user photo.

tigerprez said:
“(Set aside, for the moment, that Amanpour spends this interview asking questions like “What will the second coming look like?” with a straight face.)”

Nice job insulting the beliefs of pretty much every evangelicial Christian in the world, Tommy. In case you didn’t know, the second coming is pretty much standard Christian doctrine, not some fringy belief that deserves ridicule and mockery, even when a leader of the evangelical community makes misguided statements.

I suggest you simply turn the other cheek.

o’donnell basically ran circles around the reverend

that was pretty humiliating

I don’t know if it was just that interview but it appears MSNBC’s investing that $129.95 on PetSmart obedience training classes for Lawrence are beginning to pay off, and he’s on 4 Wednesday mornings in and 4 more to go.

Look I know Republicans are usually pretty stupid, but how stupid do you have to be to threaten a media personality’s family and then have so much shit online about you that I found your phone number and home address in like 3 minutes. Wow you people don’t think do you? Anytime anyone threatens anyone with physical violence, and especially their family. It is my duty to report it which I did.

OxyCon said:
Tommy, is this a condescending comment towards Christians?:

You bet it is. Christians should be ridiculed all the time, because they believe in complete bullshit. Tee Hee.

Good Lord! I just watched O’Donnell before brfeakfast!
Rev Graham did make him look like the insufferable BORE he is, but my question is as always,
why would anyone appear with him on that stupid show to begin with, knowing
his reputation for ambush interviews?

“Graham, unlike me, has spoken with the President about his beliefs, yet even I know that Graham’s statement is a falsehood:”

Isn’t there a lot of skepticism over whether Obama even wrote that book?

That portion of the book sounds like a nice little story to set up a candidate with a*funny* name as a *good christian candidate* with the purpose of winning votes – pandering. Just like Obama pandered to black Christian Conservatives down in South Carolina, he pandered to them in Chicago by joining TUCC, and he pandered to the country through that book.

Richard Wolffe, promoting his book about Obama, “Renegade,” told the audience the president wasn’t naïve about Wright – he was ignorant.

“I don’t think I phrased it as naïve, but I was curious to know, as everyone was what he heard and what he thought about it,” Wolffe said. “And my conclusion from talking to him and his friends was that the dirty secret of the Rev. Wright episode, which he couldn’t really explain, was that he actually really wasn’t much of a churchgoer.”

“When he said he wasn’t in church – he was trying to get at that, but I think this is kind of embarrassing for him,” Wolffe said. “And he told me look, ‘Yeah,’ he said. ‘It’s true, I didn’t go much, I had young kids. The services would go on for hours, if you’ve ever taken young kids to church, for three hours.’”

Wolffe told the audience Obama was using religion, specifically his church attendance to garner support for the various offices he held – from Illinois state senate, the U.S. senator and ultimately President.

“And then at the same time, he was running for various offices,” Wolffe said. “So when he went to church, and this is where the politician’s slipperiness comes in – he didn’t say, ‘I wasn’t much of a churchgoer.’ If he was in church, it just wasn’t his church. He wasn’t going to church to pray. He was going to church around the state of Illinois to get votes.”

“Rolling Stone did a story about Wright’s sermons right at the start of the campaign,” Wolffe said. “The candidate saw it. He disinvited Wright from giving the public prayer at the start of the Springfield launch. He gave a private prayer with the family and he ordered his campaign staff to go research the sermons. He said, ‘Go find out what’s in these sermons,’ obviously he wasn’t there.”

http://www.mrc.org/cmi/articles/2009/Wolffe_President_Missed_Reverands_Rantings_Because_He_Wasnt_Much_of_a_Churchgoer.html

Alan Keyes Teaches Obama What Real Christianity Is…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zncREVIECHw

Hasn’t he only gone to church about twice a year since taking office?

And stories like this don’t help:
http://www.mediacircus.com/2009/04/obama-denies-jesus-in-georgetown-speech/

TC: If you listened closely, Graham sidestepped the substance of O’D's final question because he couldn’t answer truthfully without revealing himself as the fraud he truly is.

I hope you kept watching. O’D nailed Graham and all the other false prophets (profits?) in his “Rewrite” segment by reciting Bible verses pertinent to those who fail to share their wealth with the needy: “When I was hungry you fed me, when I was naked you clothed me, when I was sick you visited me . . . ” and so on.

The cost of Graham’s toupee ALONE should keep him well away from the Pearly Gates.

Lawrence of Analia is a pussy…cat. The fact someone smarter than he kicked his girly assets is hardly surprising.

Robert Watson, a high-ranking Republican state legislator in Rhode Island, is in hot water after being charged with driving under the influence of marijuana and possession of marijuana and drug paraphernalia. Drug charges alone would be bad enough for a public official, but Watson, Rhode Island’s House minority leader, is still remembered for his controversial anti-drug, anti-gay and anti-immigrant remarks.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/04/25/drug-bashing-ri-republican-charged-with-drug-use/

More stuff that doesn’t help…

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jay-carneys-awkward-response-to-questions-over-lack-of-white-house-easter-statement/

By comparison, the White House has released statements recognizing the observance of major Muslim holidays and released statements in 2010 on Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-ul-Adha.

The White House also failed to release a statement marking Good Friday. However, they did release an eight-paragraph statement heralding Earth Day. Likewise, the president’s weekend address mentioned neither Good Friday or Easter.

Alice67
What most people don’t seem to understand though is that it’s none of their business. We live in a country where there is to be no religious test for anyone in public office.

I was not applying a religious test to Obama, I was holding up his own words against his actions. He is the one telling us he is Christian. It is also his administration that made the point of highlighting Earth Day this past weekend and not acknowledge either Good Friday nor Easter. He also chose to bypass the National Day of Prayer. If he is not a devout individual that is no impact on his job performance, but when he tells us otherwise then it matters.

Color Me Badd said:
And of course anyone who has ever studied comparative religions (which I have) know that the dying god solar myth has existed for over 3000 years starting with Zoroaster and continuing with Mithra, Horus, Odin and the list goes on. The story of Jesus not only isn’t true but was ripped off wholesale from older mythologies. I am convinced that Christians either don’t know their own history or are just complete idiots.

You argue that the Jesus myth preexisted the time that Jesus was supposed to have lived, and therefore, Jesus did not exist. But that makes no sense, since whether the physical man, Jesus, is a historical figure or not has nothing to do with the existence of prior myths. And historical records from that period are not even remotely comprehensive, so to suggest that no proof of Jesus existing can be found in historical records is also lame. (Especially considering the mountains of circumstantial evidence, including the emergence of and entire religion, which tends to support the notion of a physical Jesus.)

I just love all these millionaire religious leaders.

Obviously Tommy Boy has a different definition of “owned” than the rest of us.

Accept the Lord’s healing power Tommy…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bnr5DwH3cKU&feature=related

sarainitaly said:
More stuff that doesn’t help… http://www.mediaite.com/tv/jay-carneys-awkward-response-to-questions-over-lack-of-white-house-easter-statement/ By comparison, the White House has released statements recognizing the observance of major Muslim holidays and released statements in 2010 on Ramadan, Eid-ul-Fitr, Hajj, and Eid-ul-Adha. The White House also failed to release a statement marking Good Friday. However, they did release an eight-paragraph statement heralding Earth Day. Likewise, the president’s weekend address mentioned neither Good Friday or Easter.

To quote article VI of the constitution, “but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

No other President has issued a proclamation for Good Friday or Easter: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/38447_Wingnut_Fail_of_the_Day-_Obama_Didnt_Proclaim_Easter_%28But_Neither_Has_Any_Other_President%29

And this President has made Easter statements in the past: http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/04/11/obamas-weekly-address/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPid9BLQQcg

That’s not how I saw it.
Graham is one creepy tea-bagging Jesus dude.

Colormebadd Are you consistent in your derision? I’m sure Terry Jones would let you open for him up in Dearbornistan. You mock Christians-not out of valor-but because you can. You act like you are running with the bulls when you are really startling fainting goats.

Jaurez said:
By “fair and unbiased” you mean never criticizes the left, right?

No.

pinandpuller said:
So burning John Huss at the stake was like rendition? Then there’s that whole by grace are you saved thru faith…not of works etc. It loses something in Latin. Maybe the Incarnations of Immortality series is older than I think.

Huss’ dispute with authority did not concern basic theological issues. The catholic church has maintain the belief that you gain entrance into heaven by leading a good and just life. The whole saved through faith alone is a protestant belief, not a catholic one.

NOBAMA 2012 said:
“Owning” O’Dummy, like “owning” all Liberals, is easy…

Like the rest of the Liberal Lewzers on MSNBC, whose shows mediaite.com feels obligated to post daily because no one else is watching them…

These clowns are not the “sharpest knives in the drawer.”

Liberal politicians can’t balance budgets, they can’t fight wars…heck, they don’t even wanna enlist, for Pete’s sake!

And they can’t run any governments efficiently…local, state or federal…

All Liberals know how to do is lay taxes that they themselves refuse to pay, screw up what’s working or stick their noses in what’s clearly none of their business…

Just look at their leader…

A clown who has never held an executive positon in his life before being elected POTUS and who can’t even find his friggin’ Birth Certificate…

The Blind Leading the Blind, a painting by Pieter Bruegel the Elder, comes to mind…
Based on a saying by Jesus that appears in the Gospels…
“Can the blind lead the blind? Will they not both fall into the ditch?”

That’s exactly what Liberals are doing…running this country into a ditch.

“If Democrats had any brains they’d be Republicans” Ann Coulter

And Lenin sure had Liberals pegged when he called them “Useful Idiots.”

Only 21 more months ’til we evict the incompetent, hypocritical, racist, Marxist Grifter from the Oval Office & cancel “Amateur Hour” at the White House.

Margaret Thatcher once said, Socialism only works ’til you run out of other peoples’ money.

NOBAMA 2012

“Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.” P.J.O’Rourke

Liberal Politicans can’t balance budgets?

Two words for you

Bill Clinton.

pinandpuller said:
Colormebadd Are you consistent in your derision? I’m sure Terry Jones would let you open for him up in Dearbornistan. You mock Christians-not out of valor-but because you can. You act like you are running with the bulls when you are really startling fainting goats.

I do agree with you Christianity in 2011 is akin to a fainting goat My derision is reserved for all religions, including Islam.

Islam is currently going through it’s reformation period, similar to Christianity, centuries ago. The difference is that the Christians killed far more innocents than Islam ever did. Truth hurts huh?

pinandpuller said:
Colormebadd Are you consistent in your derision? I’m sure Terry Jones would let you open for him up in Dearbornistan. You mock Christians-not out of valor-but because you can. You act like you are running with the bulls when you are really startling fainting goats.

The rub is Christians aren’t consistent, Christians rage against the violence of radical Muslims but honestly Islam has a lot of catching up to do if they want to be as vicious as Christians.

http://articles.exchristian.net/2002/10/how-many-people-have-been-killed-by.php

TOTAL: When I take all the individual death tolls listed here, weed out
the duplicates, fill in the blanks, apply Occam (“Pluralitas non est
ponenda sine necessitate”), etc. I get a very rough total of 1½ M
deaths in the Crusades.

TheEagle said:
No other President has issued a proclamation for Good Friday or Easter:

TheEagle said:
And this President has made Easter statements in the past:

“No other president has issued a “proclamation” “And this President has made Easter STATEMENTS”

Hmmm, STATEMENTS only count for Obama? Doesn’t count for any other president unless it’s a “PROCLAMATION?” Sheesh!

@ TheEagle

I’m confused. You said TC was the only one who could be counted on to provide unbiased opinions. Were you serious, or was that sarcasm?

TC is a self-proclaimed Liberal, who is paid to give his left-wing opinion as a commentator. How is it possible that you could call him “unbiased” as a result? His who position is one of bias!

It had to be sarcasm.

Rio said:
“No other president has issued a “proclamation” “And this President has made Easter STATEMENTS” Hmmm, STATEMENTS only count for Obama? Doesn’t count for any other president unless it’s a “PROCLAMATION?” Sheesh!

Never said they didn’t. You’re just trying to twist things around because you don’t have the fact on your side.

The original article stated: “First, he was asked why the White House had not sent out a proclamation for Easter. (To put the question in context, keep in mind that the White House has sent out proclamations for the “150th Anniversary of the Unification of Italy” and “Wright Brothers Day.”) ”

Thus, I addressed the issue of proclamations because it was brought up in the article and was commented on by other posters.

Others brought up the issue of statements and I showed that President Obama has made statements in 2009 and 2010, two of the three years he has been President.

So unless you can show that every other President has made an Easter statement, every year that they were in office; then it is an unfair criticism.

ImNotBlue said:
@ TheEagle I’m confused. You said TC was the only one who could be counted on to provide unbiased opinions. Were you serious, or was that sarcasm? TC is a self-proclaimed Liberal, who is paid to give his left-wing opinion as a commentator. How is it possible that you could call him “unbiased” as a result? His who position is one of bias! It had to be sarcasm.

I’ll leave the sarcasm and bias to you.

jdubbellu said:
this exists, color me badd in the wild! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-U6cMdpKmY&sns=em

Awesome!

I’m waiting for the technology that allows one to reach through the television and pummel somebody. Of course the station would be tuned to MSNBC. It’s a very target rich environment full of very hateful people like Larry the Commie.

TheEagle said:
The original article stated: “First, he was asked why the White House had not sent out a proclamation for Easter. (To put the question in context, keep in mind that the White House has sent out proclamations for the “150th Anniversary of the Unification of Italy” and “Wright Brothers Day.”) ”

You are basing your whole debate on a reporter who you have found had erroneously used “proclamation” in his question? What was that whole copy and paste about President Bush in the other thread? What were you trying to prove?

In this thread you included:

No other President has issued a proclamation for Good Friday or Easter:

But, even though the thread title said…”statement” you are clinging to the reporters erroneous term. Heh!

Liberals like to put words in other peoples mouth and then argue them as facts…..why anyone watches that little punk Larry is above my pay grade!

Why can’t I trust a self-proclaimed Christian who mixes politics with religion? Let preachers proclaim the Gospel and stop judging. That is why I traveled twice to listen Dr. Billy Graham and I prefer to listen to Joel Osteen today. It’s interesting to see who or what is really important in the lives of some people who proclaim christianity. I will continue trying to defend those who are criticized and belittled constantly by others who claim to know God as their personal Saviour.

I will continue trying to defend those who are criticized and belittled constantly by others who claim to know God as their personal Saviour.

Dear Mediaite:

No matter how many articles you write in your real pathetic and embarrassing effort to protect the fraud in the White House, you will not succeed in convincing the American people. Barack Obama is a phony-a man unqualified to hold the presidency. Mr. Trump may be a goofy media seeking clown but he represents a vast number of Americans who are sick and tired of this affirmative action unqualified individual in the White House. That you continue to defend and refuse to look into Obama’s background simply provides more proof that the man is a fraud. Americans are not stupid and we are sick and tired of the malfeasance of “news” outlets like Mediaite. You will be left in the dustbin of history. Have a good day.

jdubbellu said:
this exists, color me badd in the wild! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-U6cMdpKmY&sns=em

You should think about not referring to African American men as being “in the wild”.

NOBAMA 2012 said:
THE BUDGET THAT BILL CLINTON SIGNED “KICKING & SCREAMING” WAS A GOP CONGRESS BALANCED BUDGET! AND IT TOOK THE GOP FIVE FRIGGIN’ TIMES TO GET CLINTON TO FINALLY SIGN IT!

THANKS FOR MAKIING MY POINT, MISSY…

“Kill jobs and lead to a recession, force people off of work and onto unemployment and will actually increase the deficit.” Gingrich again waxing prophetic regarding President Clinton’s 1993 budget bill. Gosh, how wrong can a person be?” Newt Gingrich

Try reading history.

One more thing … from the Bible. We have ALL sinned and come short of the Glory of God. None of us are blameless … who does that include?

Rev. Graham wasn’t making political points but giving his opinion based on his beliefs. Media oxygen is created by people in the media, not the people they cover.

Graham was kind, generous and honest. O’Donnell could learn from those principles. O’Donnell comes across as a guy who doesn’t want to listen to his guest, just make his points. I’m surprised he gets even the low ratings he does…

Rio said:
You are basing your whole debate on a reporter who you have found had erroneously used “proclamation” in his question? What was that whole copy and paste about President Bush in the other thread? What were you trying to prove? In this thread you included: But, even though the thread title said…”statement” you are clinging to the reporters erroneous term. Heh!

No I’m addressing the article and a statement made by another poster. Even if you use the word statement instead of proclamation, you have to prove that all previous Presidents issued an Easter statement every single year they were in office or it is an unfair criticism.

Note to self: skip this guy Tommy Christopher’s columns from now on.
Failing to describe Graham’s puling rant, or his problems w/ his church’s
board, or his palatial estate (w/ aerial photos) keep this from being
serious journalism .

Anchorage, AK.

Vera Maddox Crozier said:
Why can’t I trust a self-proclaimed Christian who mixes politics with religion? Let preachers proclaim the Gospel and stop judging.

Rev. Graham’s organization has done great work in Haiti. For that alone, I listen to his opinions. I think he was giving his honest opinion of the matter on ABC, so even though I disagree with his conclusion, I think he has to be honest. What more should he do? He doesn’t control the questions…

And another thing-how can the media continue to describe Obama as a great orator when he cannot speak at all without two teleprompters. Truly-you must think people are stupid. We’re not.

NOBAMA 2012 said:
Color Me Badd

HEY MISSY, WRONG ABOUT THE BALANCED BUDGET. DEAL WITH IT

Is that all you got? You think typing in all caps and stating U R WRONG! Is going to win you any debates in the real world (non teabag echo chamber world that is)?

TheEagle said:
No I’m addressing the article and a statement made by another poster. Even if you use the word statement instead of proclamation, you have to prove that all previous Presidents issued an Easter statement every single year they were in office or it is an unfair criticism.

The only thing I have to prove is that Obama did not address Easter to the nation THIS YEAR which is what the topic of this thread is about. Deflections and distractions appear to be your stock in trade, but unfortunately for you, they aren’t the topic.

You want to know what other president may have missed and address, go find it, open up a folder and store it so you can peruse it whenever. Again, Obama did not give an Easter address to the nation, THIS YEAR and, he might just as well have skipped last year’s address. imho

Rio said:
The only thing I have to prove is that Obama did not address Easter to the nation THIS YEAR which is what the topic of this thread is about. Deflections and distractions appear to be your stock in trade, but unfortunately for you, they aren’t the topic. You want to know what other president may have missed and address, go find it, open up a folder and store it so you can peruse it whenever. Again, Obama did not give an Easter address to the nation, THIS YEAR and, he might just as well have skipped last year’s address. imho

No it is what the other thread is about. It is not a deflection to call the criticism unfair since it is holding President Obama to a standard that no other President has been held to in the past.

NOBAMA 2012 said:
Color Me Badd

HEY MISSY, WRONG ABOUT THE BALANCED BUDGET. DEAL WITH IT

Hey look more facts to refute your UR WRONG argument.

There are, indeed, two main heroes in the story of the remarkable budget surplus of 1998, but neither of them are Newt Gingrich or his Republican Congress. It turns out that their contribution to deficit reduction did more harm than good. No, the true heroes of deficit reduction were, first, President Clinton, whose 1993 budget—passed without a single Republican vote—raised taxes on the wealthy and dramatically altered the nation’s fiscal path, and second, a steadily improving economy. Those two factors, and particularly the interaction between them, account for virtually the entire fiscal improvement. Contrary to the Gingrich assertion, legislation passed by the Republican-led Congress of 1995 through 1997 combined to actually worsen the fiscal situation—albeit slightly.

http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/ideas/2011/03/030811.html

I hope we don’t start getting political junk falling out of our church bulletins like we did during the days of Jerru Fallwell. We don’t mind the shoe boxes too much.

TheEagle said:
No it is what the other thread is about. It is not a deflection to call the criticism unfair since it is holding President Obama to a standard that no other President has been held to in the past.

They did the same thing to Clinton.

TheEagle said:
I’ll leave the sarcasm and bias to you.

Uh… thanks?

So that means you actually believe that the one author on this site who OPENLY presents themselves as a Liberal, presenting a left-wing view, is “unbiased.”

Wow! What does that say about you, when such a person is your definition of “unbiased?” I’ll answer: It say that you’re so far off the spectrum left, while still believing your only moderately left (or more crazily, moderate), that you then place everyone else accordingly. I’d be interested to know (and no doubt prove my argument) who you view as a “mainstream Democrat.” From whom is the center point for you?

Color Me Badd said:
You should think about not referring to African American men as being “in the wild”.

Oh… so you’re an African American, now? Yeesh. First you were a young white girl, who’s entire family was in the Army (including your boyfriend). And now, you’re an African American… what? Older man for this persona? Who are you pretending you are today, Badd?

ImNotBlue said:
Uh… thanks?

So that means you actually believe that the one author on this site who OPENLY presents themselves as a Liberal, presenting a left-wing view, is “unbiased.”

Wow! What does that say about you, when such a person is your definition of “unbiased?” I’ll answer: It say that you’re so far off the spectrum left, while still believing your only moderately left (or more crazily, moderate), that you then place everyone else accordingly. I’d be interested to know (and no doubt prove my argument) who you view as a “mainstream Democrat.” From whom is the center point for you?

Oh… so you’re an African American, now? Yeesh. First you were a young white girl, who’s entire family was in the Army (including your boyfriend). And now, you’re an African American… what? Older man for this persona? Who are you pretending you are today, Badd?

No that racist teabag claimed I was a black man. Reading comprehension failure.

Color Me Badd said:
No that racist teabag claimed I was a black man. Reading comprehension failure.

Ah, I see. It’s just so confusing to me. One day you’re one person, the next you’re someone else. Forgive me for not realizing this time it was someone else making up who you are… instead of YOU making up who you are.

if you actually follow o’donnell’s line of questioning, it’s clear that he boxes in graham. and graham weasels his way out of it by arguing that he has faith. even though his opinions about obama are obviously steeped in Fear of the Other (black, muslim, “socialist”, etc)

ImNotBlue said:
Uh… thanks? So that means you actually believe that the one author on this site who OPENLY presents themselves as a Liberal, presenting a left-wing view, is “unbiased.” Wow! What does that say about you, when such a person is your definition of “unbiased?” I’ll answer: It say that you’re so far off the spectrum left, while still believing your only moderately left (or more crazily, moderate), that you then place everyone else accordingly. I’d be interested to know (and no doubt prove my argument) who you view as a “mainstream Democrat.” From whom is the center point for you? Oh… so you’re an African American, now? Yeesh. First you were a young white girl, who’s entire family was in the Army (including your boyfriend). And now, you’re an African American… what? Older man for this persona? Who are you pretending you are today, Badd?

As I said, I’ll leave the sarcasm and bias (and hatred) to you.

ImNotBlue said:
Ah, I see. It’s just so confusing to me. One day you’re one person, the next you’re someone else. Forgive me for not realizing this time it was someone else making up who you are… instead of YOU making up who you are.

jdubbellu said:
you are the only racist here.

I really do wish the teabags could come up with better debating skills other than “I know you are but what am I”.

Colorado_Conservative said:
Liberals like to put words in other peoples mouth and then argue them as facts…..why anyone watches that little punk Larry is above my pay grade!

We liberals like listening to people who are college graduates,

TheEagle said:
As I said, I’ll leave the sarcasm and bias (and hatred) to you.

So you believe that you are unbiased?

And whom do I “hate?” What “hatred” have you witnessed?

ImNotBlue said:
So you believe that you are unbiased? And whom do I “hate?” What “hatred” have you witnessed?

Never said I was unbiased. That’s just dishonestly putting words in my mouth.

Words are often deceiving. Christians attend church. How can the president prove to Rev. Franklin Graham that he is a christian if only God knows if His Spirit dwells within a person’s heart.

Also, I think that Franklin Graham’s birth was a little more important than Barack Obama’s at the time, and different hospitals may have different regulations. Alabama didn’t require a birth certificate when I started school. I had to get a certified copy AFTER graduation. Oh, I’m sure if the hospital in Hawaii had known that a future president was being born or that prominent business or professional men might want proof some day, things might have been different. Thank you.

Learn to preach, in case you are questioned about your negative comments regarding the integrity of others who may call themselves christians.

TheEagle said:
Never said I was unbiased. That’s just dishonestly putting words in my mouth.

But you said you’d leave the “sarcasm and bias (and hatred) to you.” Which implies to me that you think you’re not biased, but I am. As I asked a moment ago, what does that mean, and what evidence do you have to support it?

ImNotBlue said:
But you said you’d leave the “sarcasm and bias (and hatred) to you.” Which implies to me that you think you’re not biased, but I am. As I asked a moment ago, what does that mean, and what evidence do you have to support it?

I implied nothing. You infered it. Which says more about you than me.

mickeymat said:
Dear Mediaite:

No matter how many articles you write in your real pathetic and embarrassing effort to protect the fraud in the White House, you will not succeed in convincing the American people. Barack Obama is a phony-a man unqualified to hold the presidency. Mr. Trump may be a goofy media seeking clown but he represents a vast number of Americans who are sick and tired of this affirmative action unqualified individual in the White House. That you continue to defend and refuse to look into Obama’s background simply provides more proof that the man is a fraud. Americans are not stupid and we are sick and tired of the malfeasance of “news” outlets like Mediaite. You will be left in the dustbin of history. Have a good day.

Let me call you a wambulance ——– poor wittle sore loser.

ImNotBlue said:
Ah, I see. It’s just so confusing to me. One day you’re one person, the next you’re someone else. Forgive me for not realizing this time it was someone else making up who you are… instead of YOU making up who you are.

I am not at all surprised that you are confused. At least you admit it.

Color Me Badd said:
No that racist teabag claimed I was a black man. Reading comprehension failure.

Color Me Bad…Some days you claim to be black, some days you claim to be white….what we do know is that you are a “RACIST”

Wait…wait, are you the president by chance…he fits the description very well.

God is a myth.

Vera Maddox Crozier said:
Words are often deceiving. Christians attend church. How can the president prove to Rev. Franklin Graham that he is a christian if only God knows if His Spirit dwells within a person’s heart.

Matthew 7:15-20 (King James Version)
Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

Does the President “bare the fruit” of a God-fearing, Bible-believing follower of the Lord Jesus Christ?
Does Franklin Graham “bare the fruit” of a God-fearing, Bible-believing follower of the Lord Jesus Christ?

“Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again” – John 3:7

Nacho said:
God is a myth.

Nacho is a liar

TheEagle said:
I implied nothing. You inferred it. Which says more about you than me.

So, then please clarify. Go into detail. What are you saying?

Color Me Badd said:
I am not at all surprised that you are confused. At least you admit it.

Yes, following your lies is confusing. I’ll admit it.

Christian-a person who believes in Jesus Christ

How does President Obama not fit that again? Sorry, Graham, but you can’t just change definitions to suit yourself. You have no proof he isn’t a Christian.

Seems like the word “hate” gets thrown around here the same way “110%” gets thrown around on sports shows.

graham did not roll O’Donell at all. He just spouted his religious BS. I am sick and tired of these gd religious bullshitters….both graham and his father are religious nuts and racists.

People like graham and beck will rot in hell, if there is such a place.

BatBoy said:
Color Me Bad…Some days you claim to be black, some days you claim to be white….what we do know is that you are a “RACIST”

Wait…wait, are you the president by chance…he fits the description very well.

Show me where I said I was black?

Don’t you lose tax exemption when you endorse a candidate, as Graham did? He’s a right wing hypocrite.

WTH, by clarifying the faith, you jump to the conclusion that he questions POTUS faith. He said he is not the one to decide. What a crock of a analysis!

Lawrence O’Donnell is just another Obama pimp.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Christian-a person who believes in Jesus Christ How does President Obama not fit that again? Sorry, Graham, but you can’t just change definitions to suit yourself. You have no proof he isn’t a Christian.

Does the same thing go for politics? People who believe in the more refined core belief of the party ARE members of the party? No more “DINOs” or “RINOs?” Does it work that way too?

Zermatt2 said:
graham did not roll O’Donell at all. He just spouted his religious BS. I am sick and tired of these gd religious bullshitters….both graham and his father are religious nuts and racists. People like graham and beck will rot in hell, if there is such a place.

“Religious Nuts”
“Racists”

And people say the left needs new talking points…

TheEagle said:
No it is what the other thread is about. It is not a deflection to call the criticism unfair since it is holding President Obama to a standard that no other President has been held to in the past

You were the one claiming no other president issued an Easter proclamation, in that case, Obama did not either….ever. But, now that we know Easter statements were not recorded as proclamations, you want to be fair and expect others to dig through the internet to prove a point for you, just to be fair.

Further, we also do not know if any other president was criticized at any point in history for not addressing the nation during Easter, you seem to assume they did not face any wrath, if they did not. To be fair, and being as though you hold such weight in…..being fair, I personally feel that you should, due to your own interest in…..being fair, research it. Capiche?

it is hard to believe that Obama was able to have this revelation while not “apparently” not hearing the insanity that Wright was spouting off for 20 years….

Graham, unlike me, has spoken with the President about his beliefs, yet even I know that Graham’s statement is a falsehood:

How is Graham a liar?

Wow Tommy- saying that Graham LIES is a little out of bounds, even for you.

Let me ask you something- does writing something in a book make something true?

Just because Obama has a passage in a book doesnt make it true- its what’s in his heart that matters…

Since that is the case, only Obama knows the truth- therefore what Graham says is his opinion, not a lie, which is a willful intent to deceive.

I think you owe the reverend an apology.

jdubbellu said:
its a trap bat!! it wants you to go back and read all of its posts in an effort to make you retarded by the time you are finished. dont do it!

No you are just outed as a liar, no big deal

jdubbellu said:
its a trap bat!! it wants you to go back and read all of its posts in an effort to make you retarded by the time you are finished. dont do it!

I actually could care less if you make up shit about me. You losers at life take this gossip site so seriously.

ImNotBlue said:
Does the same thing go for politics? People who believe in the more refined core belief of the party ARE members of the party? No more “DINOs” or “RINOs?” Does it work that way too? “Religious Nuts”“Racists” And people say the left needs new talking points…

Some people are just pure aholes. The grahams are like that. If you cannot criticize them like the louts they are, then you are the same.

On the fateful day lawrance poped out of his mom/sisters bottom and hit that cold toilet water he been a sorry piece of S#!t. Should have flushed, twice.

You know that jerks like glenn beck have said that those who think he is crazy can go to hell.

Well, people like the grahams can also go to hell. That’s where these religious zealots and hypocrites will go.

Rio said:
You were the one claiming no other president issued an Easter proclamation, in that case, Obama did not either….ever. But, now that we know Easter statements were not recorded as proclamations, you want to be fair and expect others to dig through the internet to prove a point for you, just to be fair. Further, we also do not know if any other president was criticized at any point in history for not addressing the nation during Easter, you seem to assume they did not face any wrath, if they did not. To be fair, and being as though you hold such weight in…..being fair, I personally feel that you should, due to your own interest in…..being fair, research it. Capiche?

So in other words, you can’t prove that every President made an Easter statement every year they were in office or the any other President was criticized for not doing so. Instead of admitting that this is an unfair criticism of President Obama, you try to pass the buck.

Color Me Badd said:
I actually could care less if you make up shit about me.

Yeah! Badd is the only one who cares about the stuff that Badd makes up about Badd.

Zermatt2 said:
Some people are just pure aholes. The grahams are like that. If you cannot criticize them like the louts they are, then you are the same.

Eh… I try to keep my criticism grounded in reality… but I guess to someone who hates them, truth isn’t as important.

TheEagle said:
No it is what the other thread is about. It is not a deflection to call the criticism unfair since it is holding President Obama to a standard that no other President has been held to in the past.

And I wonder why the right would hold him to a different standard than all our other presidents? hmmmmm I wonder?

TheEagle said:
So in other words, you can’t prove that every President made an Easter statement every year they were in office or the any other President was criticized for not doing so. Instead of admitting that this is an unfair criticism of President Obama, you try to pass the buck.

Evidently you don’t want to go to the trouble to prove any of them did not. Since YOU are the one that is so interested in knowing if they did or did not….to be fair….what’s stopping you from proving to us, once and for all that that’s the case?

I would think you would be digging deep since you have repeated several times that it’s so unfair, produce the information. Quit passing the buck.

Color Me Badd said:
No that racist teabag claimed I was a black man. Reading comprehension failure.

I was “accused” of being a racist black man who hated whites and Jews. lol

Alice67 said:
And I wonder why the right would hold him to a different standard than all our other presidents? hmmmmm I wonder?

We have proven that President Bush delivered an Easter message to the nation every single year that he served, so, I will hold Obama to the former President’s standard. How’s that? Right off the bat, Obama failed.

Alice67 said:
I was “accused” of being a racist black man who hated whites and Jews. lol

As I recall, yesterday you asked for some “proof” for something I had said. I offered it, and you never responded. Any comments?

Rio said:
We have proven that President Bush delivered an Easter message to the nation every single year that he served, so, I will hold Obama to the former President’s standard. How’s that? Right off the bat, Obama failed.

I’m sure he cares what standard you’ve decided to hold him to … just as much as I care … and just as much as most of America cares. The TEAhadists are flying solo on this batshit crazy plane.

ImNotBlue said:
As I recall, yesterday you asked for some “proof” for something I had said. I offered it, and you never responded. Any comments?

Find the thread and link me to where you asked the question and I’ll go look at it.

Rio said:
Evidently you don’t want to go to the trouble to prove any of them did not. Since YOU are the one that is so interested in knowing if they did or did not….to be fair….what’s stopping you from proving to us, once and for all that that’s the case? I would think you would be digging deep since you have repeated several times that it’s so unfair, produce the information. Quit passing the buck.

Burden of proof is on those making the accusation. Not the other way around.

TheEagle said:
Burden of proof is on those making the accusation. Not the other way around.

You accused all presidents of not making any Easter proclamations. Start digging.

Obama’s statement at the Easter breakfast …..

“I wanted to host this breakfast for a simple reason — because as busy as we are, as many tasks as pile up, during this season, we are reminded that there’s something about the resurrection — something about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ, that puts everything else in perspective.

“We all live in the hustle and bustle of our work… But then comes Holy Week. The triumph of Palm Sunday. The humility of Jesus washing the disciples’ feet. His slow march up that hill, and the pain and the scorn and the shame of the cross. And we’re reminded that in that moment, he took on the sins of the world — past, present and future — and he extended to us that unfathomable gift of grace and salvation through his death and resurrection.

“In the words of the book Isaiah: “But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.”

“This magnificent grace, this expansive grace, this ‘Amazing Grace’ calls me to reflect. And it calls me to pray. It calls me to ask God for forgiveness for the times that I’ve not shown grace to others, those times that I’ve fallen short. It calls me to praise God for the gift of our son — his Son and our Savior.”

READ IT BEFORE YOU COMMENT!
now carry on with demonization ….

ImNotBlue said:
Yeah! Badd is the only one who cares about the stuff that Badd makes up about Badd.

Eh… I try to keep my criticism grounded in reality… but I guess to someone who hates them, truth isn’t as important.

Yeah, right, Blue.

You know, Blue….people of your ilk just cannot handle the truth. That’s why you repeat over and over again that people who criticize you say things like “truth isn’t as important.” That is utter BS, and if you don’t know that, you are mentally insane. Any time someone like me criticizes you, you utter this utter nonsense, and this is the truth.

Rio said:
You accused all presidents of not making any Easter proclamations. Start digging.

Already proved that: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/proclamations.php

Alice67 said:
I’m sure he cares what standard you’ve decided to hold him to … just as much as I care … and just as much as most of America cares. The TEAhadists are flying solo on this batshit crazy plane.

Better be careful about using….”most of Americans cares” day by day as Obama’s polls slip, your bunch is slipping into a smaller and smaller minority flying on a “batshit crazy plane.” He better be caring.

Alice67 said:
And I wonder why the right would hold him to a different standard than all our other presidents? hmmmmm I wonder?

I didn’t have to go back to “all our other presidents” just had to go back one, President Bush. Obama failed.

Produce “all our other presidents” that are causing Obama to be held by a different standard or shut up.

TheEagle said:
Already proved that: http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/proclamations.php

Yes you did, and I mistakenly said “proclamations” and you jumped on it. Now, produce Easter greetings, statements, blessings, speeches, etc. that past presidents have failed to deliver, just to be fair, because that’s so important to you and so far, you have failed to deliver the information.

Alice67 said:
Obama’s statement at the Easter breakfast …..

Good speech, to those attending the breakfast, now, where’s his address to the nation?

Zermatt2 said:
Yeah, right, Blue. You know, Blue….people of your ilk just cannot handle the truth. That’s why you repeat over and over again that people who criticize you say things like “truth isn’t as important.” That is utter BS, and if you don’t know that, you are mentally insane. Any time someone like me criticizes you, you utter this utter nonsense, and this is the truth.

Really, like when? Is this the way you react when cornered? Not very honest of you.

Alice67 said:
Find the thread and link me to where you asked the question and I’ll go look at it.

Here you go:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/cokie-roberts-people-call-obama-muslim-instead-of-saying-i-dont-like-him-cause-hes-black/comment-page-8/#comment-428249

http://www.mediaite.com/online/cokie-roberts-people-call-obama-muslim-instead-of-saying-i-dont-like-him-cause-hes-black/comment-page-8/#comment-428270

Rio said:
Better be careful about using….”most of Americans cares” day by day as Obama’s polls slip, your bunch is slipping into a smaller and smaller minority flying on a “batshit crazy plane.” He better be caring.

I didn’t have to go back to “all our other presidents” just had to go back one, President Bush. Obama failed.

Produce “all our other presidents” that are causing Obama to be held by a different standard or shut up.

This is what he said at Easter breakfast …..

Obama’s statement at the Easter breakfast …..

“I wanted to host this breakfast for a simple reason — because as busy as we are, as many tasks as pile up, during this season, we are reminded that there’s something about the resurrection — something about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ, that puts everything else in perspective.

“We all live in the hustle and bustle of our work… But then comes Holy Week. The triumph of Palm Sunday. The humility of Jesus washing the disciples’ feet. His slow march up that hill, and the pain and the scorn and the shame of the cross. And we’re reminded that in that moment, he took on the sins of the world — past, present and future — and he extended to us that unfathomable gift of grace and salvation through his death and resurrection.

“In the words of the book Isaiah: “But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.”

“This magnificent grace, this expansive grace, this ‘Amazing Grace’ calls me to reflect. And it calls me to pray. It calls me to ask God for forgiveness for the times that I’ve not shown grace to others, those times that I’ve fallen short. It calls me to praise God for the gift of our son — his Son and our Savior.”

So what’s the problem? Just that is wasn’t an official statement? Have any problems with what he expressed?

Rio said:
Now, produce Easter greetings, statements, blessings, speeches, etc. that past presidents have failed to deliver, just to be fair, because that’s so important to you and so far, you have failed to deliver the information.

Here’s Obama’s speech at this years Easter breakfast. So what’s the problem?

Obama’s statement at the Easter breakfast …..

“I wanted to host this breakfast for a simple reason — because as busy as we are, as many tasks as pile up, during this season, we are reminded that there’s something about the resurrection — something about the resurrection of our savior, Jesus Christ, that puts everything else in perspective.

“We all live in the hustle and bustle of our work… But then comes Holy Week. The triumph of Palm Sunday. The humility of Jesus washing the disciples’ feet. His slow march up that hill, and the pain and the scorn and the shame of the cross. And we’re reminded that in that moment, he took on the sins of the world — past, present and future — and he extended to us that unfathomable gift of grace and salvation through his death and resurrection.

“In the words of the book Isaiah: “But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.”

“This magnificent grace, this expansive grace, this ‘Amazing Grace’ calls me to reflect. And it calls me to pray. It calls me to ask God for forgiveness for the times that I’ve not shown grace to others, those times that I’ve fallen short. It calls me to praise God for the gift of our son — his Son and our Savior.”

Rio said:
Good speech, to those attending the breakfast, now, where’s his address to the nation?

Boy you are definitely the me me me generation. The President gets over 4,000,000 hits of complaint and response when I Googled this issue. His speech at Easter is quite beautiful and inspiring …. but no …. it has to be done the way you want it to be done or ….. 4,000,000 whining complaining childish responses to not getting it done YOUR way. And you wonder why we think this has nothing to do with anything but the color of his skin.

ImNotBlue said:
Really, like when? Is this the way you react when cornered? Not very honest of you.

Here you go:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/cokie-roberts-people-call-obama-muslim-instead-of-saying-i-dont-like-him-cause-hes-black/comment-page-8/#comment-428249

http://www.mediaite.com/online/cokie-roberts-people-call-obama-muslim-instead-of-saying-i-dont-like-him-cause-hes-black/comment-page-8/#comment-428270

You know, Blue.

I don’t care about your links. I don’t care what Cokie Roberts or others say. The truth is that Obama says he is a Christian and that he was born in this country. I don’t give a flying crap if you or Donald Trump or any other idiot says he is a Muslim born on another planet. It does not matter where Obama was born…..People like graham who seem to claim that he was are simply idiots, and it is just distracting from the real problems in this country. Argue about the real problems in this country; don’t argue about where Obama was born…..and that’s the problem with what Trump and his assholiness Graham are doing.

ImNotBlue said:
Really, like when? Is this the way you react when cornered? Not very honest of you.

Here you go:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/cokie-roberts-people-call-obama-muslim-instead-of-saying-i-dont-like-him-cause-hes-black/comment-page-8/#comment-428249

http://www.mediaite.com/online/cokie-roberts-people-call-obama-muslim-instead-of-saying-i-dont-like-him-cause-hes-black/comment-page-8/#comment-428270

And, by the way, Blue….if you really want the “truth,” why don’t you just say so and not rely on someone like Cokie Roberts? Again, I don’t really care what she has to say, and I did not look into detail on your links. Maybe she said something I like; maybe she didn’t. Why can’t you figure it out for yourself, you dip? I can think for myself and don’t need to rely on a single person to say things about the “truth.”

Alice67 said:
This is what he said at Easter breakfast …..

Alice67 said:
Here’s Obama’s speech at this years Easter breakfast.

Yeah, you’ve posted this three times, it’s not an address to the nation, it’s a speech to 90 people attending…..the Easter breakfast. Now, do we have to get into past presidents speeches at…. the Easter breakfast? He did not choose to address the nation this year, case closed.

Rio said:
Yes you did, and I mistakenly said “proclamations” and you jumped on it. Now, produce Easter greetings, statements, blessings, speeches, etc. that past presidents have failed to deliver, just to be fair, because that’s so important to you and so far, you have failed to deliver the information.

Prove that they have delivered one every year. Don’t play games and ask me to prove a negative. Prove that every single President has issued a statement for easter every year they were in office. You can’t which proves your criticism is unfair.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/cokie-roberts-people-call-obama-muslim-instead-of-saying-i-dont-like-him-cause-hes-black/comment-page-8/#comment-428270

Okay, so what do you want me to say about it. You showed one post. Good for you. Happy?

I’m sitting here with a little vomit in my mouth. We have what appears to be a “religious zealot” who didn’t find it in her “Christian” soul to say anything against the hate, vile postings about Palin She didn’t find it offensive!

What a hypocrite (see definition below)

a person who pretends to have virtues, moral or religious beliefs, principles, etc., that he or she does not actually possess, especially a person whose actions belie stated beliefs.

Alice67 said:
Boy you are definitely the me me me generation. The President gets over 4,000,000 hits of complaint and response when I Googled this issue. His speech at Easter is quite beautiful and inspiring …. but no …. it has to be done the way you want it to be done or ….. 4,000,000 whining complaining childish responses to not getting it done YOUR way. And you wonder why we think this has nothing to do with anything but the color of his skin.

Your racism emerges again. There is no wonderment as to why you think it has anything to do with the color of his skin. It’s commonly known, etched into the history of Obama’s short time in office, that people like you use race as a discusting tool.

You have no idea of who I am, what race, color or creed, yet in a pinch, toss out racism. Pfftt!

Rio said:
Yeah, you’ve posted this three times, it’s not an address to the nation, it’s a speech to 90 people attending…..the Easter breakfast. Now, do we have to get into past presidents speeches at…. the Easter breakfast? He did not choose to address the nation this year, case closed.

wha wha wha me me me i want i want i want. Grow up. He’s black. His middle name Hussein. He ascended to the highest office in the nation. He’s the most powerful man in the world. Get over it. I’m glad he didn’t issue an “official” statement. Simply because I love watching you people showing the entire world how small and petty you all are. No one works harder than you jokers to get him reelected.

Rio said:
Your racism emerges again. There is no wonderment as to why you think it has anything to do with the color of his skin. It’s commonly known, etched into the history of Obama’s short time in office, that people like you use race as a discusting tool.

You have no idea of who I am, what race, color or creed, yet in a pinch, toss out racism. Pfftt!

You have a reading comprehension issue that I’m afraid I’m unable to help you with.

Alice67 said:
You have a reading comprehension issue that I’m afraid I’m unable to help you with.

well, what color is rio?

TheEagle said:
Prove that they have delivered one every year

That’s your obligation. To defend Obama you posted the proclamation information…. all presidents did not issue a proclamation, blah, blah, blah. That included Obama, btw. Then you demanded, as you are still doing, that someone else should dig back into history to prove your point. You do it, go for it. So far, Obama is looking pretty enemic just going back one president.

ImNotBlue said:
Really, like when? Is this the way you react when cornered? Not very honest of you.

Here you go:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/cokie-roberts-people-call-obama-muslim-instead-of-saying-i-dont-like-him-cause-hes-black/comment-page-8/#comment-428249

http://www.mediaite.com/online/cokie-roberts-people-call-obama-muslim-instead-of-saying-i-dont-like-him-cause-hes-black/comment-page-8/#comment-428270

And, one last thing, Blue.

You say something to the effect of me being “cornered.” How utterly absurd. I am on a blog….how can I be “cornered”?????

I will just repeat that people like Franklin Graham are idiot pieholes. I do not make the money like this ahole does. Why does he use his God to in effect disparage Barack Obama? He is only doing so to boost his “religious” cause.

I do not agree with everything that Obama has done, but, again, why use religion to disparage the guy? This is what really pisses me off about people like graham and others like him…….to use religion to to claim that he is right. Graham has done this before, and he should be damned for doing so. My Catholic upbringing did not raise me to do such things.

cjd ohio 1 said:
well, what color is rio?

What do I care?

Alice67 said:
He’s black. His middle name Hussein.

What does this have to do with his neglecting to deliver an address to the nation?

cjd ohio 1 said:
cjd ohio 1 says:

And just so you know …. that conversation you were in with Ellen Carey Rowe on another thread is not me. It’s someone using my name. I only post under Alice67 only as I’ve dumped the other account.

Alice67 said:
What do I care?

Alice67 said:
. And you wonder why we think this has nothing to do with anything but the color of his skin.

because you believe rio has a problem with the color of the presidents skin

Alice67 said:
What do I care?

So, you are all of a sudden not concerned with color? what an about face! Unless you can use it as a tool, it’s suddenly, not important? discusting!

Zermatt2 said:
You know, Blue. I don’t care about your links. …

That’s great! But they weren’t for you. They were for Alice.

Alice67 said:
Okay, so what do you want me to say about it. You showed one post. Good for you. Happy?

Well that is what you asked for, wasn’t it:

Alice67 says:
April 25, 2011 at 1:09 pm

ImNotBlue said:
there were a few posts dropping the “N” word on him.

Show just one. I read the entire thread. Show one.

Seems like you’d be more appreciative.

Zermatt2 said:
And, one last thing, Blue.

Yikes! Someone’s been stewing.

You say something to the effect of me being “cornered.” How utterly absurd. I am on a blog….how can I be “cornered”?????

You are “cornered” when you are asked something you can’t answer, giving something you can’t defend, or proven to be wrong or hypocritical… and thusly try dodging instead.

I will just repeat that people like Franklin Graham are idiot pieholes. I do not make the money like this ahole does.

Jealous?

Why does he use his God to in effect disparage Barack Obama? He is only doing so to boost his “religious” cause.

As I asked before, does the same go for politics? Does the moment someone says they’re a “Democrat” (for example) does that mean they are so… or is there something they have to “prove” first?

I do not agree with everything that Obama has done, but, again, why use religion to disparage the guy? This is what really pisses me off about people like graham and others like him…….to use religion to to claim that he is right. Graham has done this before, and he should be damned for doing so. My Catholic upbringing did not raise me to do such things.

I believe Graham was making the point that Obama’s stated beliefs and his actions do not necessarily agree. As has been suggested before, Obama uses his religion as an election tool, but does not necessarily believe what he says. That speaks to his honesty and integrity. Heck, I’ve even heard Liberals make this argument saying, “Someone so smart couldn’t believe those things, it’s just for the votes.” Additionally, it does help explain why he would spend so much time in such a hateful church… because it would help his career, but he wasn’t really listening to what was going on inside.

I think when talking about integrity and honesty, this is a valid topic. If it were simply, “He’s bad because he doesn’t believe what I believe,” that would be wrong. But it’s not. It’s more nuanced than that.

Thank God Americans are growing tired of spinners and ‘gotcha’ media types like O’Donnell and the people who champion them, like Tommy Christopher.
Mediaite is interesting because it spotlights people we might otherwise never see, but it wears thin after a couple of segments. Then, it’s time to wash out your brain with some truth, fair and balanced.

“So one Sunday, I put on one of the few clean jackets I had, and went over to Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street on the South Side of Chicago. And I heard Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called “The Audacity of Hope.”"

but he wasn’t there when the hate speech was spewed, was he now?…

Rio said:
What does this have to do with his neglecting to deliver an address to the nation?

It has to do with irrational demands from the right that have no basis but that he’s “not one of us”. Which was started by Palin btw. But Obama warned us to expect exactly what Palin delivered.

Obama said ….

The Republican candidate’s attack came after Obama told voters in Missouri: ‘Nobody thinks that Bush and McCain have a real answer to the challenges we face.

‘So what they’re going to try to do is make you scared of me.’

The Democrat candidate, who could become America’s first black president, said his rivals will say of him: ‘You know, “he’s not patriotic enough, he’s got a funny name,” ‘he doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills.”‘

The McCain calls race card ….

In response to Obama’s comments, McCain’s campaign manager Rick Davis said in a statement today: “Obama played the race card, and he played it from the bottom of the deck.”

See? McCain actually made it about race. Obama said nothing about race. Gibbs even clarified ….

But Obama’s spokesman, Robert Gibbs, said the Democrat senator’s comments were not about race but the fact he is younger than most previous presidents.

Mr Gibbs said: ‘What Barack Obama was talking about was that he didn’t get here after spending decades in Washington.’

‘There is nothing more to this than the fact that he was describing that he was new to the political scene. He was referring to the fact that he didn’t come into the presidential race with the history of others. It is not about race.’

But was Obama right? …. cue Palin ….

“Our opponent,” Ms. Palin told donors in Englewood, Colo., “is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.”

She added, “This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America,” she said. “We see America as a force of good in this world. We see an America of exceptionalism.”

And the beat goes on with Trump making statements like his grandparents getting him a Hawaiian BC so they could get welfare for him. Tell me that is the kind of accusation that would be made of a white president?

younger than most other ………lol

cjd ohio 1 said:
because you believe rio has a problem with the color of the presidents skin

I did not say that. I said the right wonders why we think it has to do with race. You people really need to learn reading comprehension. I’m tired of having to straighten out all your projections. READ WHAT”S WRITTEN! and not what you want to have been written.

ImNotBlue said:
Well that is what you asked for, wasn’t it:

Yep. You delivered. Now if I had a gold star you would get it. Happy, yet?

Alice67 said:
I did not say that. I said the right wonders why we think it has to do with race. You people really need to learn reading comprehension. I’m tired of having to straighten out all your projections. READ WHAT”S WRITTEN! and not what you want to have been written.

no i dont wonder why……….we think it has do with race

Alice67 said:
Boy you are definitely the me me me generation. The President gets over 4,000,000 hits of complaint and response when I Googled this issue. His speech at Easter is quite beautiful and inspiring …. but no …. it has to be done the way you want it to be done or ….. 4,000,000 whining complaining childish responses to not getting it done YOUR way. And you wonder why we think this has nothing to do with anything but the color of his skin.

no mention of righties

Well written piece. O’Donnell missed about 5 opportunities to refute these claims. Obama’s media lap-dog loyalists are less competent than Rev. Graham? That says something.

Alice67 said:
It has to do with irrational demands from the right that have no basis but that he’s “not one of us”. Which was started by Palin btw. But Obama warned us to expect exactly what Palin delivered.

It wasn’t started with Palin, it started with Obama’s own words:

‘So what they’re going to try to do is make you scared of me.’

Like his “typical white” grandmother?

You know, “he’s not patriotic enough, he’s got a funny name,” ‘he doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills

Gibbs explanation just doesn’t cut it, he was spinning like a fool. Carter was new to the political scene, the peanut farmer from Georgia, had something in common with “presidents on the dollar bills.” And, what did he have in common…Alice, ellie, ellen, Ellen Carey Rowe? Oh yeah, he was white.

Your guys, Obama’s team, have shamefully played the race card since the primaries. Idiot!

cue Palin ….

What do the remarks made by Palin that you posted have to do with racism?

If Palin’s remarks have nothing to do with racism then neither do Obama’s. Palin said exactly the kind of thing Obama said the McCain camp would say. You can’t have it both ways. If you say Palin’s remarks aren’t racist then Obama saying those remarks would be made is not racist.

I’m simply trying to explain to you why the left thinks the right is racist in their remarks. Not saying the left is always right. What I am giving you are reasons why it is seen that way.

Rio said:
So, you are all of a sudden not concerned with color? what an about face! Unless you can use it as a tool, it’s suddenly, not important? discusting!

If this is the way you see it, then let’s not waste anymore time with this conversation. Have a great day! :)

Alice67 said:
If this is the way you see it, then let’s not waste anymore time with this conversation. Have a great day! :)

i lost, and am leaving lol

ImNotBlue said:
That’s great! But they weren’t for you. They were for Alice. Well that is what you asked for, wasn’t it: Seems like you’d be more appreciative. Yikes! Someone’s been stewing. You are “cornered” when you are asked something you can’t answer, giving something you can’t defend, or proven to be wrong or hypocritical… and thusly try dodging instead. Jealous? As I asked before, does the same go for politics? Does the moment someone says they’re a “Democrat” (for example) does that mean they are so… or is there something they have to “prove” first? I believe Graham was making the point that Obama’s stated beliefs and his actions do not necessarily agree. As has been suggested before, Obama uses his religion as an election tool, but does not necessarily believe what he says. That speaks to his honesty and integrity. Heck, I’ve even heard Liberals make this argument saying, “Someone so smart couldn’t believe those things, it’s just for the votes.” Additionally, it does help explain why he would spend so much time in such a hateful church… because it would help his career, but he wasn’t really listening to what was going on inside. I think when talking about integrity and honesty, this is a valid topic. If it were simply, “He’s bad because he doesn’t believe what I believe,” that would be wrong. But it’s not. It’s more nuanced than that.

Well, mr. blue (or mrs. blue).

You are full of crap. I don’t care if those remarks were for Alice or not. This does not dispute my point, which is that you are not truthfull.

When someone like you says that someone like me does not know the “truth,” you are being seriously dishonest. The truth does not lie in someone like you or Cokie Roberts.

You are spewing some nonsense about Obama’s religion. You seem to think that he is a Muslim (as if that is bad), or you seem to think that he is not a “Christian.” But who really cares? I don’t. Religion does not make a difference in my mind. What matters is what is right for this country; what matters is what is right for human beings, you dip.

Again, I will repeat that if there is a hell, billy graham and his son will will go there because they lie and use their “religion” to make their huge profits.

Alice67 said:
If Palin’s remarks have nothing to do with racism

No, not if Palin’s remarks have nothing to do with racism, they did not. You explain your accusation.

“Our opponent,” Ms. Palin told donors in Englewood, Colo., “is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.”
——

Palin was referring to Bill Ayers. Last time I looked Ayers is white – in fact a very rich white terrorist who to this day claims he’s not sorry.

All you have is the race card – if you can’t play it, your argument is completely without merit.

Rio said:
No, not if Palin’s remarks have nothing to do with racism, they did not. You explain your accusation.

What accusation? I made no accusation. I gave you reasons why I think the left thinks the right and particularly the TP is racist. One says one group (right) IS something. The other says this may be why one group (left) THINKS something. One is stated as fact the other is stated as supposition. Do you see the difference?

Alice67 said:
If this is the way you see it, then let’s not waste anymore time with this conversation. Have a great day! :)

deja vu, sigh, if only.

Alice67 said:
What accusation? I made no accusation.

Ellen Carey Rowe/ellie/ellen/Alice67 said:

‘There is nothing more to this than the fact that he was describing that he was new to the political scene. He was referring to the fact that he didn’t come into the presidential race with the history of others. It is not about race.’

But was Obama right? …. cue Palin ….

“Our opponent,” Ms. Palin told donors in Englewood, Colo., “is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country.”

She added, “This is not a man who sees America like you and I see America,” she said. “We see America as a force of good in this world. We see an America of exceptionalism.”

It is not about race.’

But was Obama right? …. cue Palin ….

Whatcha cuing Palin about, Alice67/ellie/ellen/Ellen Carey Rowe? Not an accusation? you say? Want to dig up another hodgepodge of out of context posts or change your name again?

nope. ta!

This entire article was a misfire…. but I’m sure it got mediaite hits… because I doubt any other site is saying that Graham “owned” Lawrence.. because he did it and anyone that can dissect a debate could tell you that.

Is the author of this article aware of false arguments?

Apparently not…

http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/skeptic/arguments.html

*didn’t … ahh screw it. :P

Mediaite, get an edit system what’s your excuse for still using wordpress? Is your admin not able to do more? I ran into the own problem you guys have with user icons and editing comments… but I am surprised with how big the website is that you can’t find someone to create an edit function.

Rio said:
That’s your obligation. To defend Obama you posted the proclamation information…. all presidents did not issue a proclamation, blah, blah, blah. That included Obama, btw. Then you demanded, as you are still doing, that someone else should dig back into history to prove your point. You do it, go for it. So far, Obama is looking pretty enemic just going back one president.

No I’m asking you to prove your point that not issuing a statement is some great outrage that is out of the norm. You know you can’t prove that so now you’re playing games.

mediadoubt said:
Alz, Alz, Alz, there you go again, just making shit up.

You clearly don’t have the slightest idea what anyone outside your own head believes and you prove how cramped the space inside your head is every time you hit a key. I’d suggest you get a life, but you’d just waste it.

I must be getting close.

Zermatt2 said:
Well, mr. blue (or mrs. blue). You are full of crap. I don’t care if those remarks were for Alice or not. This does not dispute my point, which is that you are not truthfull.

So you don’t care that you interjected yourself into a conversation that had nothing to do with you, didn’t reference anything you had said, and was intended for someone else? Uh… okay.

When someone like you says that someone like me does not know the “truth,” you are being seriously dishonest. The truth does not lie in someone like you or Cokie Roberts.

And where did I say it did?

You are spewing some nonsense about Obama’s religion. You seem to think that he is a Muslim (as if that is bad), or you seem to think that he is not a “Christian.”

Really? What makes you think that? What have I said? Please quote.

But who really cares? I don’t.

Honestly, I don’t care either. The only element of this that interests me is the “moral” angle. If Obama is lying about his religion, he’s lying to all America for some reason. It’s the lie (or potential lie) that’s interesting… religion just happens to be what the lie is about, but my interest certainly in his religion itself.

Religion does not make a difference in my mind. What matters is what is right for this country; what matters is what is right for human beings, you dip.

Well, I agree with that part, and don’t think I’ve said anything to contradict that. Sans the “dip” insult, of course.

Again, I will repeat that if there is a hell, billy graham and his son will will go there because they lie and use their “religion” to make their huge profits.

Why shouldn’t religious leaders (or non-religious atheists) make profit? They provide a service that people want, and do a job that is difficult, requires skill, and forces them to do a lot of things I’m sure they’d rather not do. Who are you to determine what jobs can and can’t make money? The Obama’s are making a lot of money off being public figures… is that a problem too? Do you think they’re only in it for the money?

As for “lies,” yes I’ve heard this story before. Someone who disagrees with your view, is a “liar.” It the same thing from ideologues of all stripes. “There is no truth but MY truth,” they say without knowing what they really mean is “opinion.” I guess you now fall into that category too.

Battchief said:
Don’t you lose tax exemption when you endorse a candidate, as Graham did? He’s a right wing hypocrite.

Donald Trump hasn’t announced yet.

posterchild said:
We liberals like listening to people who are college graduates,

I like listening to people who aren’t educated beyond their intelligence.

Your post made my night! loved it.

Did this wacky reverend just say “diet on the cross?”

Although I have noted in some religious depictions the chest of Jesus is showing some serious ribs protruding through his rib cage area.

i don’t see lawrence o’donnell getting “owned”. false advertising!

ImNotBlue said:
So you don’t care that you interjected yourself into a conversation that had nothing to do with you, didn’t reference anything you had said, and was intended for someone else? Uh… okay.

And where did I say it did?

Really? What makes you think that? What have I said? Please quote.

Honestly, I don’t care either. The only element of this that interests me is the “moral” angle. If Obama is lying about his religion, he’s lying to all America for some reason. It’s the lie (or potential lie) that’s interesting… religion just happens to be what the lie is about, but my interest certainly in his religion itself.

Well, I agree with that part, and don’t think I’ve said anything to contradict that. Sans the “dip” insult, of course.

Why shouldn’t religious leaders (or non-religious atheists) make profit? They provide a service that people want, and do a job that is difficult, requires skill, and forces them to do a lot of things I’m sure they’d rather not do. Who are you to determine what jobs can and can’t make money? The Obama’s are making a lot of money off being public figures… is that a problem too? Do you think they’re only in it for the money?

As for “lies,” yes I’ve heard this story before. Someone who disagrees with your view, is a “liar.” It the same thing from ideologues of all stripes. “There is no truth but MY truth,” they say without knowing what they really mean is “opinion.” I guess you now fall into that category too.

You know, blue…..your “truth” is BS. Did you see what the White House has submitted the long form of Obama’s birth certificate this morning?

This is what is wrong with people of your ilk. I bet you still do not believe Obama was born here…..and, again, I have to ask, what the heck is the difference? This is not the important issue, mr. blue.

ImNotBlue said:
So you don’t care that you interjected yourself into a conversation that had nothing to do with you, didn’t reference anything you had said, and was intended for someone else? Uh… okay.

And where did I say it did?

Really? What makes you think that? What have I said? Please quote.

Honestly, I don’t care either. The only element of this that interests me is the “moral” angle. If Obama is lying about his religion, he’s lying to all America for some reason. It’s the lie (or potential lie) that’s interesting… religion just happens to be what the lie is about, but my interest certainly in his religion itself.

Well, I agree with that part, and don’t think I’ve said anything to contradict that. Sans the “dip” insult, of course.

Why shouldn’t religious leaders (or non-religious atheists) make profit? They provide a service that people want, and do a job that is difficult, requires skill, and forces them to do a lot of things I’m sure they’d rather not do. Who are you to determine what jobs can and can’t make money? The Obama’s are making a lot of money off being public figures… is that a problem too? Do you think they’re only in it for the money?

As for “lies,” yes I’ve heard this story before. Someone who disagrees with your view, is a “liar.” It the same thing from ideologues of all stripes. “There is no truth but MY truth,” they say without knowing what they really mean is “opinion.” I guess you now fall into that category too.

And, blue, I must say that I did not interject anything into the conversation……you are simply blowing smoke up someone’s ass when you make the comments you do. Seriously…..I went to a Jesuit high school, and Jesuits take a vow of poverty. I really do not care if “religious” people like graham make a profit, but I simply do not trust their objectives if they do.

Sitting in a church…..ANY church……makes me no more a Christian than sitting in my garage makes me a car as well as professing my “faith” makes me no more faithful than professing to be handsome makes me Brad Pitt.

And really……I care not for his professed faith any more than I care where on God’s green earth he was born.

What I do care about is that when he campaigned and then shortly after being elected he professed (follow along and you might get why I don’t put a hell of a lot of stock in what he SAYS) that he would:

“I won’t have a single lobbyist working in my administration” – Epic Fail
“I won’t raise taxes on people making less than $250K per year” – Epic Fail
Be transparent (in fact “the most transparent admin in history”) – Epic Fail
Opposition to same sex marriage – Epic Fail
Close Gitmo in on year – Epic Fail
Shut down the Iraq war and bring Afghanistan to an end – Epic Fail (and then add to that…..starting an illegal war on Lybia all the while ignoring much of the same or worse than they condemned Lybia for in places like Syria, Yemen and Bahrain)
Focus on jobs for America – Epic Fail
Bring back respect for America thoughout the world – Epic Fail
All ObamaCare negotiations will be on CSpan – Epic Fail
There will be no earmarks in the Stimulus Bill – Epic Fail
The Stimulus Bill will stave off unemployment over 8% – Epic Fail

So I began to have my doubts……then:

I am immediately implementing “Pay-as-you-go” – Epic Fail
My plan won’t have a purchase mandate – Epid Fail
ObamaCare will pay for itself – Epic Fail
Folks in AZ will get jacked up taking their kids for ice cream – Epic Fail
ObamaCare isn’t a tax before it is – Epic Fail
“If you like the plan you have now, you will be able to keep it” – Epic Fail
ObamaCare will not raise the deficit one dime – Epic Fail

So when I hear things like:

No boots on the ground in Lybia transmogrify to “well the CIA don’t count” then begin to morph into “our allies are sending troops to instruct” and;
“I won’t use signing statements to circumvent Congress” or;
“That bridge collapse in Minnesota is evidence we need more infrastructure “investment”"

color me……….unconvinced.

I see “VoiceOfReason” is anything but….

Color me unsurprised since reason is not a trademark of the Reichwing.

Here’s another “carnival barker”. And in this case the apple falls very far from the tree. He’s an embarrassment to his father.

THIS IS MISLABELED. Lawrence got the Rev on his knees………….

I would respectfully submit that you should study the Bible before you leave comments on here to expose your lack of knowledge regarding salvation.  Jesus repeatedly says that claims to be the only way…a splendid example is John 14:6.  Please read it and it will shed light on this fact. 

It is a shame that the opinions on this page are so dogmatic, so rude, and so close minded.  But most of all, so devoid of the facts.  Just study the issue and you will see it in a different light.  Jesus never taught us to hate each other, call each other idiots, or misquote scripture as O’Donnell did on tv. 

Shame.

I respectfully submit that you still have not answered my challenge, reposted here:

“I challenge you to tell us where Jesus Himself says that only by His
“saving” us can we enter Heaven. I want you to include the word “save”
or “saving” from the Bible in your response to my challenge.”

I HAVE studied the Bible.  Jesus (and others) say that Jesus is “the way”.  But MAN has added the interpretation “to be saved” regarding “entering Heaven”.

The “shame” lies on those millions of Christians who have been led astray by False Teachers and False Prophets in the U.S.A.  Yes – MILLIONS – of Christians led astray, just as prophesied in the Bible.