Bill Sammon has a somewhat muted presence, to be sure, but he is one of the most utterly despicable personalities on cable news. He is thoroughly amoral in the classic Nixonian sense. That he engaged in manufacturing the “news” surprises me not in the least. That Murdoch and Ailes would be pleased with manufactured “news” would not surprise me.

And you are still telling me they are a News organisation. Nah, they are a station of propaganda . Murdoch’s American branch just like he has them all over the world.

I bet those Reporters that stood for them in the white house will be regretting their decision. I don’t think so, cause they might end up working there as well.

Does the “public option” not equate to government run insurance? What about the “public option” makes it public?

The truth is not fair and balanced? Well, not anymore, apparently.

skyfet said:
I bet those Reporters that stood for them in the white house will be regretting their decision. I don’t think so, cause they might end up working there as well.

I’ll bet that would be fascinating if it were in English.

I am shocked that Fox”news” is exactly what we all know it to be, a political arm of the republican party!

Yep, just run of the mill Moonie influence. If you are willing to take hundreds of thousands of dollars from a man who claims to be the messiah and overtly wants to take over the world, like Sammon, what is it to fix the health care debate?

FOX tried to slant the news?!?!?!

I’m shocked, shocked I tell you!

OH MY GOD! STOP THE PRESSES! A reporter says that government run healthcare is GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE

It is Gov’t run healthcare, so Bill was merely speaking the truth. The truth isn’t terribly popular with the libs though. Give it up, FOX NEWS ain’t goin anywhere you deranged libs!!

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
It is Gov’t run healthcare, so Bill was merely speaking the truth. The truth isn’t terribly popular with the libs though. Give it up, FOX NEWS ain’t goin anywhere you deranged libs!!

THAT’S THE WRONG TRUTH!!

“Shut up.” they explained.

@Pablo
The Veterans are using Public option (Govt run), that seem to be working well. You sound like a shrill for Insurance company who make profit by denying people care when they need it.

Pablo said:
Does the “public option” not equate to government run insurance? What about the “public option” makes it public?

The truth is not fair and balanced? Well, not anymore, apparently.

I think the point is them being told which words to say, based on it’s positive or negative reaction, is not exactly news neutral.

Scott_in_MI said:
OH MY GOD! STOP THE PRESSES! A reporter says that government run healthcare is GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE

LMAO.. I know ,,Colby goes to GREAT extents into attempting to find something scandalous
Lol,, GAWD
This ruffled you feathers Colby?
jeeze

They earned it, skyfet. We owe it to them. You want VA care? Serve your country.

CosmosDan said:
I think the point is them being told which words to say, based on it’s positive or negative reaction, is not exactly news neutral.

You ever heard of a style book, Dan?

Hey everyone, I just heard some incredible news. You guys aren’t going to believe this.

The sun rises in the east.

Can you believe that?

It’s not Govt run healthcare you jokers, if it was Govt run healthcare it won’t be Public Option. Govt run health care is run in Europe doesn’t generate revenue via insurance premium, it’s funded via taxation. So it’s a right automatically not for profit. You jokers should stop repeating the GOP talking point and educate yourself and stop embarrassing yourself.

Govt healthcare in Europe allows anyone who is ill to go in the hospital and walkout after receiving treatment without paying a dime. That’s Govt run healthcare, not public option, where you pay premiums. Don’t be dummies, or Zombies, use your own head and do some basic research.

Fact: Obamacare in the hands of the government will in the end see the death of us all! That’s the fact public!

Scott_in_MI said:
Hey everyone, I just heard some incredible news. You guys aren’t going to believe this. The sun rises in the east. Can you believe that?

Fact: You might need the government to tell us that first to believe it!

Scott_in_MI said:
Bill Sammon

Wait a minute,, i need to check with Bill Sammon for the correct terminology on that,,
FRACK,, he’s still a Republican!!!
THE SUN IS STATIONARY,, IT’S WE THAT ARE MOVIN’
THE SUN AINT RISING CHIT!

Well well well, it looks like little Billie Sammon had his own Journolist.

@Pablo
They earned it, that’s true. So does everyone who is an American. If the Govt can run the VA very well, why shouldn’t it be rolled out to everyone. Why mist companies make money by denying care? It’s amoral and rotten to the core.
The Public option was the middle ground, people have the choice to either stay with private insurance or a government insurance. People who deride Govt.. as incompetent can stay with the private company while everyone else can go somewhere else.
But they don’t want competition that would threaten their thievery, and they fought a hard battle and they won.

skyfet said:
Don’t be dummies, or Zombies, use your own head and do some basic research.

Here’s a memo from the Congressional Budget Office saying that ObamaCare is going to cost the government over $1 Trillion over 10 years. If the government (via taxpayers) pays for it, it GOVERNMENT RUN HEALTHCARE.

Perhaps you should stop being a puppet/dummie/zombie

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/114xx/doc11490/LewisLtr_HR3590.pdf

No American should have to join the army to get healthcare, and thanks to President Obama’s fight we wont have to!

From the Kurtz piece:

The public option—an alternative insurance exchange for those who could not get health coverage from their employers—would in fact have been run by the Health and Human Services Department.

Fox News – Fair, balanced and unafraid.

“It is important to note that the examples set forth above are all right-of-center or “traditionalist” opinion media personalities”
It’s equally important to note that the “hard news” figures of Brett Baier and Jim Angle of 10/27/2009 Special Report are also in that category. How duplicitous do you intend to become???

mcf1757 said:
No American should have to join the army to get healthcare, and thanks to President Obama’s fight we wont have to!

You can get a job and get it you know. But you might want to tell these kids how awesome their health coverage that they just lost is.

CosmosDan said:
I think the point is them being told which words to say, based on it’s positive or negative reaction, is not exactly news neutral.

Where in the original Kurtz piece, or in Colby’s “book report” or an article, did Sammon say which words to use based upon the reaction? You’ve assumed that.

“Government option” vs “Public option,” someone tell me why “Public Option” is more descriptive and a fairer way of stating things.

‘
“OKAY BOSS,, what do i say here,,”
“PUBLIC OR GOVERNMENT WORKS?!?”

‘We’re F’in FOX,, CALL IT GOVERNMENT!!”

“wow,, THAT’S PRETTY SCANDALOUS BOSS,,IF the libs ever hear about this,, they might chit their pants and yell”

“LET ‘EM,, WE’RE FOX GDAMNIT!”

“Leak that in a memo for me will ya”

Skyfet says:

They earned it, that’s true. So does everyone who is an American.

The military is part of the gov’t, most workers aren’t.

If the Govt can run the VA very well, why shouldn’t it be rolled out to everyone

This is a joke, right! Yeah, the VA, DMV, IRS are all smooth ops!!

skyfet said:
It’s not Govt run healthcare you jokers, if it was Govt run healthcare it won’t be Public Option. Govt run health care is run in Europe doesn’t generate revenue via insurance premium, it’s funded via taxation. So it’s a right automatically not for profit. You jokers should stop repeating the GOP talking point and educate yourself and stop embarrassing yourself.

Govt healthcare in Europe allows anyone who is ill to go in the hospital and walkout after receiving treatment without paying a dime. That’s Govt run healthcare, not public option, where you pay premiums. Don’t be dummies, or Zombies, use your own head and do some basic research.

skyfet, I was wondering…

skyfet said:
@PabloThey earned it, that’s true. So does everyone who is an American. If the Govt can run the VA very well, why shouldn’t it be rolled out to everyone.

Exactly who thinks the Government runs the VA well? Have you already forgotten about Walter Reed?

Atticus Draco said:
“Leak that in a memo for me will ya”

You know, that’s probably right. Heh.

Only in this ridiculous political world would an apt descriptor for something be labeled “partisan”. The REAL story is how “public option” was decided upon as the moniker for this. Does anyone think that this was just a term that some low-level staffer figured would be appropriate, vs. something that was put through polling and other means of attempting to discern how Americans would respond to it? Come on…get real. Sammon’s term is correct. If people object to a government-run plan, tough. These absurd euphemisms abound in our political (and military) culture. What about the infamous “collateral damage” phrase, or ‘friendly fire”? Kudos to Sammon for plain-speaking.

No big surprise…we all know FOX gives it’s correspondents talking points.

Jon Stewart proves that every time he does one of his Fox montages.

More Kurtz:

While news executives routinely offer guidance about proper wording in news stories…

YOU’RE HURTING OUR MESSIAH! SHUT UP!

Pablo said:
Pablo says:
December 9, 2010 at 11:15 am Pablo(Quote)
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More Kurtz:

While news executives routinely offer guidance about proper wording in news stories…

YOU’RE HURTING OUR MESSIAH! SHUT UP!

LMAO,, NOW AINT THAT THE F’in TRUTH!!!

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
It is Gov’t run healthcare, so Bill was merely speaking the truth. The truth isn’t terribly popular with the libs though. Give it up, FOX NEWS ain’t goin anywhere you deranged libs!!

Why do you persist in spreading lies. I know you hear these lies on FOX, but in spreading them you are lying yourself.

The public option involves insurance. The gouvernment becomes a provider of insurance, not of direct medical care. The idea is that this would increase competition. This is sound because there is virtually no competition in health insurance. Rates would then go down.

It’s just like the Death Panel lie you and other like you perputated.

Why is it you must lie about this. Can’t you use the truth to make your point? If you can’t, then perhaps you ought to re-examine your view. It is obviously not fact-based.

Of course, as this indicates, FOX “News” was also an active participating in spreading these dreadful lies. Perhaps, without FOX “News” you would not have had a lie to spread.

BFD said:
No big surprise…we all know FOX gives it’s correspondents talking points. Jon Stewart proves that every time he does one of his Fox montages.

Sure is a good thing that never happens on any of the other networks…

BFD said:
Well well well, it looks like little Billie Sammon had his own Journolist.

That is a very good burn.

ImNotBlue asks

Why “Public Option” is more descriptive and a fairer way of stating things.

I think the “news” is suppose to report stories as they are, that means if the Democrats are calling it a Public Option, they should report it as such!

Pablo said:
You ever heard of a style book, Dan?

I’m not sure how that’s relevant to this story. They are free to advise , encourage or instruct people on what words they want used, but the reason it’s a story is the ongoing controversy about whether Fox is fair and balanced. Their opinion shows don’t matter, but fairly often even the news shows use select language or comments with an agenda in mind.

from the HuffPo story on the same thing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/09/fox-news-public-option-gop_n_794297.html

This happens to be the exact phrase that Republican pollster Frank Luntz had advised Republicans to begin using to describe the public option — on Sean Hannity’s show, no less.

Speaking to Hannity in August 2009, Luntz said that “if you call it a ‘public option,’ the American people are split,” but that “if you call it the ‘government option,’ the public is overwhelmingly against it.”

As you pointed out, it is accurate so it’s no big deal to me. It seems fairly obvious that Fox is a certain % news and a certain % a campaign platform for the GOP.

ImNotBlue said:
Sure is a good thing that never happens on any of the other networks…

Yes, it happens elsewhere. So what? Does that excuse FOX “News”. All the Marys in Heaven you and your other radical rightist cult members act like FOX “News” is purer than angel pee. One might think you would be outraged instead of manically thrashing for an excuse.

mcf1757 said:
ImNotBlue asks I think the “news” is suppose to report stories as they are, that means if the Democrats are calling it a Public Option, they should report it as such!

So, whatever the Democrats say, is how it should be reported.

Hmmm… yes, that sounds “fair.”

Yeesh.

LOL! The MSM has been spinning these tax cuts as (tax cuts for the rich” for weeks now and THIS is what you chose to do a story on? It doesn’t bother you that ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC have been using Democrat talking points to attack Republicans over this fight for tax cuts?

ImNotBlue said:
So, whatever the Democrats say, is how it should be reported.

Hmmm… yes, that sounds “fair.”

Yeesh.

Yep. Just look at how all the networks have been using Democrat talking points when reporting on this battle for tax cuts for everyone. Every network characterizes it as “tax cuts for the rich”, when its actually tax cuts for everyone.

This is why I laugh at the people who complain about Fox. Chances are, they’re all for biased, slanted media as long as its pushing a DNC agenda.

Dronetek said:
LOL! The MSM has been spinning these tax cuts as (tax cuts for the rich” for weeks now and THIS is what you chose to do a story on? It doesn’t bother you that ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and MSNBC have been using Democrat talking points to attack Republicans over this fight for tax cuts?

There is a fundamental fraud in what Sammon and FOX “News” did this, and I think you ought to be more concerned that your sole source for news defrauded you than looking for excuses.

CosmosDan said:
As you pointed out, it is accurate so it’s no big deal to me.

If it’s accurate, how is it bias?

The Real Royal King said:
Yes, it happens elsewhere. So what? Does that excuse FOX “News”. All the Marys in Heaven you and your other radical rightist cult members act like FOX “News” is purer than angel pee. One might think you would be outraged instead of manically thrashing for an excuse.

Wow, who knew that would set you off?! You’re awfully angry these days, Royal. Winter getting you down?

Anyway, the point is that for all the folks who want to cry, “SEE… BIAS!!!” Where were you then? Where were you when NBC made the editorial decision to call Iraq a Civil War (and then suddenly stop calling it that when, you know, it turned out not to be true)? Did you complain about them sending out “talking points” to their networks (remember that was big NBC, not just MS)?

Oh, and do angel’s pee? I mean, you spend so much time in Church, and reminding us of that, (which is why you can say such nasty and horrible things about people you don’t know) I figure you’ll probably know the bathroom habits of the angels themselves. Do tell!

ImNotBlue said:
Exactly who thinks the Government runs the VA well? Have you already forgotten about Walter Reed?

At least the Vets have the options to stay with the VA or get a private insurance deal. By the way they won’t swap it for anything else. You ask one, if you know one.

Atticus Draco said:
Atticus Draco

I think Colby should ban you again MICHELLE FROM UTAH!!! Throw one of your TEY in there.

The Real Rabid Kook said:
Yes, it happens elsewhere. So what? Does that excuse FOX “News”.

It makes them a news organization. Per Kurtz:

NEWS EXECUTIVES ROUTINELY OFFER GUIDANCE ABOUT PROPER WORDING IN NEWS STORIES

ImNotBlue:

So, whatever the Democrats say, is how it should be reported.

Hmmm… yes, that sounds “fair.”

Yeesh.

Ha, you report what the Democrats say and you also report what the Republicans say,

Fair and balanced, sound familiar?

CosmosDan said:
I’m not sure how that’s relevant to this story.

I’m sure you’re not, Dan. Good for you.

As MSNBC’s Richard Wolffe – formerly of Newsweek – appeared as a guest on Wednesday’s Late Late Show on CBS, after Wolffe conveyed his left-leaning take on the deal to extend the Bush tax cuts, host Craig Ferguson asked, “You’re a Democrat, aren’t you?” as he stared at the MSNBC contributor for comedic effect, inspiring audience laughter.

After Wolffe responded, “I am a journalist,” Ferguson smiled and quipped, “Much the same thing, isn’t it?”

True dat!

mcf1757 said:
Ha, you report what the Democrats say and you also report what the Republicans say, Fair and balanced, sound familiar?

And that is what they did, isn’t it?

skyfet said:
At least the Vets have the options to stay with the VA or get a private insurance deal. By the way they won’t swap it for anything else. You ask one, if you know one.

I’d like to see proof of that, please.

Does anyone think John Kerry is going to the VA for healthcare?

Pablo said:
Does anyone think John Kerry is going to the VA for healthcare?

He is one of the richest in Congress. At least he has a choice. You go to the ordinary veteran and be a smug to him and deride his healthcare.

If the head of the news division is telling the reporters to frame the debate from the starting point of GOP talking points, I’m not sure how thats fair, balanced or news!

Colby wrote, “Anyone who watched Fox News coverage of the health care debate at this time could see that most of the personalities on the channel were not fans of the White House efforts to pass the bill.”

That begs the question: who at FoxPAC leaked the e-mails? Who was not a fan of this kind of propaganda substituting for news?

Mr. Murdoch: you have a mole!

GlennBeckReview said:
Colby wrote, “Anyone who watched Fox News coverage of the health care debate at this time could see that most of the personalities on the channel were not fans of the White House efforts to pass the bill.”

That begs the question: who at FoxPAC leaked the e-mails? Who was not a fan of this kind of propaganda substituting for news?

Mr. Murdoch: you have a mole!

What makes you think they didn’t intentionally leak it? This is a fine conversation to have, and any fool could see how Media Matters would get the ball rolling if given the bait.

GlennBeckReview said:
Colby wrote, “Anyone who watched Fox News coverage of the health care debate at this time could see that most of the personalities on the channel were not fans of the White House efforts to pass the bill.” That begs the question: who at FoxPAC leaked the e-mails? Who was not a fan of this kind of propaganda substituting for news? Mr. Murdoch: you have a mole!

Maybe it was Glenn Beck?! Get on that GBR.

mcf1757 said:
If the head of the news division is telling the reporters to frame the debate from the starting point of GOP talking points, I’m not sure how thats fair, balanced or news!

It would have been better that they framed it the way the Democrats wanted? Is that more “fair, balanced, or news?”

skyfet said:
He is one of the richest in Congress. At least he has a choice. You go to the ordinary veteran and be a smug to him and deride his healthcare.

I could walk over to the mirror, find an ordinary veteran and be a smug to him…if I knew how to be a smug. I don’t use the VA. I like my healthcare. Your point fails.

Pablo said:
I’m sure you’re not, Dan. Good for you.

Gee, I hope someday I’m that clever. {Sigh!}

Well, his other choice, for accuracy, was socialized medicine. Public option is vague and made to hide the truth that the government runs healthcare rules and options via various agencies. Also, The press isn’t supposed to use the terminology of the parties in power, in fact, the press is supposed to provide info to the public. Parroting the Obama administration would be a disservice to the public. You can argue a nefarious intent if you want, but the terminology he espoused I believe is more accurate and less propagandistic.

Fox News is watched because it’s not a propaganda arm of the democrats, likely why MSNBC gained under Bush. That’s exactly the job of the press to inform and to question. I complain about this all the time, but if you’re not a liberal, Fox News is your only solid news source. And yes, that is sad…

Pablo said:
I could walk over to the mirror, find an ordinary veteran and be a smug to him…if I knew how to be a smug. I don’t use the VA. I like my healthcare. Your point fails.

No my point is accurate. Why do you continuously deride the VA healthcare. They are happy with it, and they’d rather have that than to be thrown to the Insurance business, of which you are an avid advocate or shrill for.

skyfet says:

You go to the ordinary veteran and be a smug to him and deride his healthcare.

I was just talking to my father and my uncle, who was a lifelong military man, has to have cardiac surgery and must go to Seattle for it because the VA in Idaho doesn’t even have a cardiologist available. Yeah, there’s your GREAT gov’t run healthcare at work! Stop trying to convince us the gov’t is best equipped to handle our medical care. No one with a brain is buyin it!

Atticus Draco says:
“This ruffled you feathers Colby?”

It’s not just Mediaite: HuffPo ran a story about this too. You sheep don’t know how you’re being brain washed, shaped and even motivated by propaganda.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/09/fox-news-public-option-gop_n_794297.html/

Fox creates an alternative reality:
http://foxnewsboycott.com/fox-news/fox-news-has-created-an-alternate-reality/

Now watch the minions react: “BAA-a-a-a”

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
skyfet says:

You go to the ordinary veteran and be a smug to him and deride his healthcare.

I was just talking to my father and my uncle, who was a lifelong military man, has to have cardiac surgery and must go to Seattle for it because the VA in Idaho doesn’t even have a cardiologist available. Yeah, there’s your GREAT gov’t run healthcare at work! Stop trying to convince us the gov’t is best equipped to handle our medical care. No one with a brain is buyin it!

At least he is not being denied care or had to sell his house to pay after the healthcare insurance denies him care. Nor does he has to take from his savings (your inheritance) to pay for his care.

The Real Royal King said:
Why is it you must lie about this. Can’t you use the truth to make your point? If you can’t, then perhaps you ought to re-examine your view. It is obviously not fact-based.
Of course, as this indicates, FOX “News” was also an active participating in spreading these dreadful lies. Perhaps, without FOX “News” you would not have had a lie to spread.

Hello Pot, this is kettle, I believe RRK wants to tell you something.

http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/114xx/doc11490/LewisLtr_HR3590.pdf

heaven forbid the managing editor inform his news team of the actual proper term and remind them to use it, and not the well crafted manipulative term of “public option”.

It is a government-run health insurance or government option.

“I just want to go on the record here that any health care reform must include a “public option.” This is an option for insurance that comes from the government, not from for-profit companies. ” HuffPo
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/health-care-public-option_b_212187.html

The “public option,” a new government insurance program akin to Medicare… NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/health/policy/18talkshows.html

Public option is proposed healthcare reform that would give individuals and employers a choice between government-provided healthcare–in a system run similarly to Medicare–or private healthcare. It is a kind of hybrid system between single-payer, or universal, healthcare and the current system serviced primarily by private insurance companies.
http://blogs.findlaw.com/law_and_life/2009/08/what-is-public-option-health-care.html

As President Obama tries to hit the restart button on the health care debate next week, it’s make or break time for the public option idea. That’s the government-run plan that would compete with private insurers.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/09/04/news/economy/public_option_hacker.fortune/index.htm

(CBS) A clear majority of Americans — 72 percent — support a government-sponsored health care plan to compete with private insurers, a new CBS News/New York Times poll finds.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/06/19/opinion/polls/main5098517.shtml

skyfet said:
No my point is accurate. Why do you continuously deride the VA healthcare. They are happy with it, and they’d rather have that than to be thrown to the Insurance business, of which you are an avid advocate or shrill for.

I’m not deriding it. Those who use it have earned it and if they’re happy with it, then I’m happy for them. You deride them when you say things like this:

skyfet said:

They earned it, that’s true. So does everyone who is an American.

skyfet said:
At least he is not being denied care or had to sell his house to pay after the healthcare insurance denies him care. Nor does he has to take from his savings (your inheritance) to pay for his care.

Right, because no one ever gets heart surgery without selling their house or paying for it from savings. And the government always has the best healthcare available for free 24/7/365. No one is ever denied care by the government!

Which is weird because the insurance program with the highest rate of denials is Medicare.

Dubbed the “Cure for Claims” campaign, the AMA effort includes a “report card” that rates insurers on several performance criteria, including how often they deny claims, how often they pay the agreed-upon fees for medical services and how quickly they pay claims once they have been filed.

The AMA evaluated claims for more than 5 million electronically billed claims to Medicare and seven large private national insurance companies: Aetna , Anthem Blue Cross Blue Shield , CIGNA , Coventry Health Care , Health Net , Humana and United Healthcare .

Medicare was the most likely to deny any part of a claim, with a 6.9 percent rate. Aetna was a close second at 6.8 percent while the others ranged from 2.7 percent to 4.6 percent.

The Real Royal King said:
There is a fundamental fraud in what Sammon and FOX “News” did this, and I think you ought to be more concerned that your sole source for news defrauded you than looking for excuses.

I don’t even watch Fox, but nice try.

skyfet said:
They are happy with it, and they’d rather have that than to be thrown to the Insurance business, of which you are an avid advocate or shrill for.

I like my private healthcare. I guess by your standard, they (the Government) shouldn’t change it. Afterall, if I like it… why does the government need to get involved?

skyfet said:
They are happy with it, and they’d rather have that than to be thrown to the Insurance business, of which you are an avid advocate or shrill for.

I like my private healthcare. I guess by your standard, they (the Government) shouldn’t change it. Afterall, if I like it… why does the government need to get involved?

GlennBeckReview said:
It’s not just Mediaite: HuffPo ran a story about this too. You sheep don’t know how you’re being brain washed, shaped and even motivated by propaganda.

WOW! HuffPo too?! Next you’re going to tell me Daily KOS and Think Progress wrote about it too!

GlennBeckReview said:
It’s not just Mediaite: HuffPo ran a story about this too.

ZOMG! Not HuffPo!

Was that the Soros division?

ImNotBlue said:
I like my private healthcare. I guess by your standard, they (the Government) shouldn’t change it. Afterall, if I like it… why does the government need to get involved?

I like my private healthcare. I guess by your standard, they (the Government) shouldn’t change it. Afterall, if I like it… why does the government need to get involved?

WOW! HuffPo too?! Next you’re going to tell me Daily KOS and Think Progress wrote about it too!

You need to wake up and stop slurring or stuttering.

skyfet said:
You need to wake up and stop slurring or stuttering.

Good advice.

Now answer the question. Your logic states that since some Vets think the VA is great, all government-run healthcare would be great. Well, how do you reconcile that with some folks (myself included) thinking our private healthcare is great? Doesn’t your logic dictate that as a result, the Government shouldn’t get involved in healthcare?

ImNotBlue said:
Good advice.

Now answer the question. Your logic states that since some Vets think the VA is great, all government-run healthcare would be great. Well, how do you reconcile that with some folks (myself included) thinking our private healthcare is great? Doesn’t your logic dictate that as a result, the Government shouldn’t get involved in healthcare?

No! I was referring to the Public Option, see you are acting like fox news here. If the VA is the public option for the Military folks, the other option is private insurance premium like civilians. They have the option to either opt out of the VA or stay. They have the choice, why can’t ordinary people also have the same.
Why are you or the Insurance Company you are championing against it, it appears to me that they don’t like competition.

skyfet said:
. They have the choice, why can’t ordinary people also have the same.

They EARNED the choice. It wasn’t and isn’t free.

sarainitaly said:
heaven forbid the managing editor inform his news team of the actual proper term and remind them to use it, and not the well crafted manipulative term of “public option”.

It is a government-run health insurance or government option.

Thank you for your insufferably long post. I had wondered what your apologia would be for FOX “News’” woeful lack of journalistic integrity and what your rational for supporting a second class healthcare systems, in terms of delivery in services would be. Now, I know.

skyfet said:
At least he is not being denied care or had to sell his house to pay after the healthcare insurance denies him care. Nor does he has to take from his savings (your inheritance) to pay for his care.

What a very good point you make.

We are treated almost daily to a story of someone being denied healthcare under our existing systems. Just yesterday, an infant who, without a transplant, will surely die. No health care. No Medicaid qualification. Yet, Michelle-in-Utah bleats, kvetches, moans and whines about a relative who has to travel for life-saving surgery. Sounds to me like she was more interested in bleating, kvetching, moaning and whining than making a substantive contribution.

Pablo said:
They EARNED the choice. It wasn’t and isn’t free.

Just like the military crap. For Student’s who want to go to higher education, they have to go and join the Military before they can go and study. How many died in Iraq and never made it. But if you can afford it you get your own healthcare. I wonder recruitment would be easy for the Military, if all these basic services were made available. That’s why they target people who are vulnerable to join them, because all the goodies are there when you join the Army. Heck, you’d have to dodge bullets first.

skyfet said:
No! I was referring to the Public Option, see you are acting like fox news here.

Well, first off… we all know that the attempt of the “Public Option,” is to create a full-on government run program and eliminate private insurance (Obama is on record saying that). So let’s not pretend here.

If the VA is the public option for the Military folks, the other option is private insurance premium like civilians. They have the option to either opt out of the VA or stay. They have the choice, why can’t ordinary people also have the same.

And as Pablo has pointed out, the VA is earned… much like an employer paying for health insurance. “Ordinary people” have the option… I can back out of my employer funded healthcare if I want. Why must the government run any program? What is that benefit?

Why are you or the Insurance Company you are championing against it, it appears to me that they don’t like competition.

Well… it’s because the government has a bad history of running things. Walter Reed is a good example of what happens when the government runs healthcare… they do a crappy job, and because they control information, it takes a while (and a lot of money and bureaucracy) to fix it.

Let the government provide good oversight… but keep them out of running it themselves. Checks and balances does not mean the government takes over industries and runs them themselves. That’s just asking for trouble.

Bill Sammons was a notorious right wing partisan hack before he obtained a job with Fox in a position that historically has been one that required objectivity.

ImNotBlue said:
Well, first off… we all know that the attempt of the “Public Option,” is to create a full-on government run program and eliminate private insurance (Obama is on record saying that). So let’s not pretend here.

And as Pablo has pointed out, the VA is earned… much like an employer paying for health insurance. “Ordinary people” have the option… I can back out of my employer funded healthcare if I want. Why must the government run any program? What is that benefit?

Well… it’s because the government has a bad history of running things. Walter Reed is a good example of what happens when the government runs healthcare… they do a crappy job, and because they control information, it takes a while (and a lot of money and bureaucracy) to fix it.

Let the government provide good oversight… but keep them out of running it themselves. Checks and balances does not mean the government takes over industries and runs them themselves. That’s just asking for trouble.

Have you seen any Veteran who has said they’d prefer not to be on the VA?

skyfet said:
Have you seen any Veteran who has said they’d prefer not to be on the VA?

And we’re back this?

Yes… read some of the above posts.

Oh, and I’m pretty sure some of the folks who were stuck in Walter Reed weren’t too pleased.

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skyfet said:
No! I was referring to the Public Option, see you are acting like fox news here.

Well, first off… we all know that the attempt of the “Public Option,” is to create a full-on government run program and eliminate private insurance (Obama is on record saying that). So let’s not pretend here.

The private health care industry is already lining up the explosives for its implosion. It has ceased to be an affordable, cost effective means of providing health care. The Public Option is going to happen, like it or not, and there is nothing anyone can do to stop it. Seems to me the sensible thing to do is to set up the infrastructure necessary to deal with that reality. I suppose you would take the W approach: wait for the terrorists to bomb us, wait for the health care system to implode. Great gouvernance that would be.

skyfet said:
Have you seen any Veteran who has said they’d prefer not to be on the VA?

Yeah, me. And John Kerry. Pay attention, would ya?

ImNotBlue said:
And we’re back this?

Yes… read some of the above posts.

Oh, and I’m pretty sure some of the folks who were stuck in Walter Reed weren’t too pleased.

Which posts? MIchelle-in-Utah’s self-fulfilling whine about veterans she supposedly knows?

BREAKING: News Outlet Refuses to Parrot Government Propaganda

Fox News: Better that we sell Hate than Crack said:
Bill Sammons was a notorious right wing partisan hack before he obtained a job with Fox in a position that historically has been one that required objectivity.

Indeed he was. Hume was also notoriously right wing, but he made some effort, somewhat unsuccessfully, to be objective when he was doing actual news.

the VA is a good safety net for veterans, but most chose to use our private insurance first

Pablo said:
Yeah, me. And John Kerry. Pay attention, would ya?

Again!If you’d only pay attention. John Kerry is one of the richest in Congress, he has the option to either keep it or not. You take your smugness to the vet who is trying to get by day by day and ask him if he’d give up his VA.

Bill Sammons does the same job for Fox “News” as Frank Lutz does for the RNC: Political Messaging.

Jim Treacher said:
BREAKING: News Outlet Refuses to Parrot Government Propaganda

BINGO!

All news and cable networks give guidelines to their staff on likely patterns they would have to adhere to, in line with the policies of each respective company; and I ‘m rather surprised that this is considered news worthy by Mediaite.

Lets leak and compare all internal memos in CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC and FOX, then we could have an honest debate about whose pattern is more outrageous, partisan, pro specific agenda(like gay rights, illegal immigration etc).

Bollocks!

Are there more blatantly partisan books than the ones written by managing editor Bill Sammons?

* The Evangelical President: George Bush’s Struggle to Spread a Moral Democracy Throughout the World
* At Any Cost: How Al Gore Tried to Steal the Election
* Strategery: How George W. Bush Is Defeating Terrorists, Outwitting Democrats, and Confounding the Mainstream Media.
* Fighting Back: The War on Terrorism from Inside the White House
* Misunderestimated: The President Battles Terrorism, Media Bias and the Bush Haters

cjd ohio 1 said:
the VA is a good safety net for veterans, but most chose to use our private insurance first

Civilians don’t have that safety net. Medicaid is not easy to get. That’s what the Public Option was about. For the people to have a choice, they were not asking for handout. They just want other options to compete with the Insurance company, especially one that won’t drop them at the hour of needs.

skyfet said:
Again!If you’d only pay attention. John Kerry is one of the richest in Congress, he has the option to either keep it or not. You take your smugness to the vet who is trying to get by day by day and ask him if he’d give up his VA.

HE DOES NOT USE THE VA. Nor do I. We’re both vets. What part of that will not absorb into your pea brain?

then join the military, take your chances, then you have a safety net……earn it

and the VA will not do everything

Fox News: Better that we sell Hate than Crack said:
Are there more blatantly partisan books than the ones written by managing editor Bill Sammons?

* The Evangelical President: George Bush’s Struggle to Spread a Moral Democracy Throughout the World
* At Any Cost: How Al Gore Tried to Steal the Election
* Strategery: How George W. Bush Is Defeating Terrorists, Outwitting Democrats, and Confounding the Mainstream Media.
* Fighting Back: The War on Terrorism from Inside the White House
* Misunderestimated: The President Battles Terrorism, Media Bias and the Bush Haters

Sure, but nobody buys them.

Pablo said:
HE DOES NOT USE THE VA. Nor do I. We’re both vets. What part of that will not absorb into your pea brain?

What part of your brain can’t get it that not every vet is as fortunate like you and Kerry.

cjd ohio 1 said:
then join the military, take your chances, then you have a safety net……earn it

Just like the Kids that joined the Army to go to Universities and ended up being Killed in combat.

dont want to be mean, but that is what the military is for, hell i dont like our serviceman and women being killed, but the purpose of the military is to fight

if you want a social program, join the peace corps, which is a good thing

cjd ohio 1 said:
if you want a social program, join the peace corps, which is a good thing

I don’t want a social program. The public option is an Insurance policy. But would be run fairly, compared to Insurance companies dropping people when the fall sick. I don’t need this, I am covered (Thank God), but basic fairness is required.
People don’t have to risk being blown into two to be able to afford healthcare.

medicare , and medicaid, dont cover everything either, just a point

cjd ohio 1 said:
medicare , and medicaid, dont cover everything either, just a point

I mentioned that already. It’s not easy to get Medicaid. You know some people work two jobs to be able to afford their health cost, because they have pre existing conditions.

yes , i know, but where is the money going to come from for all this, hey i dont want to see someonr die if their life can be saved,

and i am for health insurance companies not being able to drop you when you get sick, yes i understand that point

Pablo said:
Sure, but nobody buys them.

Great comeback except Bill Sammons is in charge of the supposed “hard news” journalists at Fox News.It is not the job of hard news journalists to RENAME policies or programs that don’t correspond with their political ideology. It is their job to report the details and facts about those programs or policies.

skyfet said:
What part of your brain can’t get it that not every vet is as fortunate like you and Kerry.

Wait, you’re the one who said this:

skyfet said:
Have you seen any Veteran who has said they’d prefer not to be on the VA?

Yes, there are vets who have no other coverage, and use the VA. But many, many, many vets use private insurance from their jobs, like me and John Kerry. Either of us, and the many, many, many others could be using the VA, but don’t because we prefer not to. You ask a question and I give you the answer. Deal with it.

Fox News: Better that we sell Hate than Crack said:
Great comeback except Bill Sammons is in charge of the supposed “hard news” journalists at Fox News.It is not the job of hard news journalists to RENAME policies or programs that don’t correspond with their political ideology. It is their job to report the details and facts about those programs or policies.

It isn’t RENAMING a thing to accurately describe it. Who made “Public Option” the official name?

Single payer systems as practiced today are govt. run health care. Case closed.

I’m not sure why this article has drawn such a response. It is obvious that Fox is a conservative media outlet. It obvious they have many scripted news stories that are targeted to draw out the negatives if it doesn’t align with their conservative views. So this leak should not be surprise to any us. It only confirms what we already knew. Look at the guess they have on their shows. For every lib guess they have 10 conservative guests with opposing views. You don’t watch Fox news if you want bi-partisan reporting. Likewise you don’t watch MSNBC if you want bi-partisan reporting. My personal opinion is why Fox have conservative radio talk show host like Hannity and Beck. These are no more than an hours worth of conservative group hugs and attempts to destroy the current administration. They bring no news value to the table. I have always been a believer of doing you own research if you want the truth.

Pablo said:
It isn’t RENAMING a thing to accurately describe it. Who made “Public Option” the official name?

When the renaming is done by the opposition political party for purposes of swaying public opinion, it is not the job journalists of any legitimate new organization to substitute that name without proper context in its reporting. This is why Fox News never has and never will be a legitimate news organization.

Truth said:
I’m not sure why this article has drawn such a response. It is obvious that Fox is a conservative media outlet. It obvious they have many scripted news stories that are targeted to draw out the negatives

Yes it is obvious. But the problem is their viewers lie about this reality on blogs such as these.. If they admitted that the supposed hard news division was slanted, and NOT “fair and balanced”, we wouldn’t need to be having these discussions.

This renaming by Sammons reminds me of the Chickenshit practice of Republicans to call the Democratic Party the “Democrat Party”.

Jim Treacher said:
BREAKING: News Outlet Refuses to Parrot Government Propaganda

Unless there is a Bush in power. lolol

Thanks, Mr. Sammon for telling the truth. It drives the likes of Mediaite nuts along with all their minions. Get used to it, you serial liars. This is the new normal. We have all had it with the media cover up and your dishonest promotion of all things socialist/Marxist/Democrat. Enough is enough. Cheers.

Fox News: Better that we sell Hate than Crack said:
This renaming by Sammons reminds me of the Chickenshit practice of Republicans to call the Democratic Party the “Democrat Party”.

That worked out really well, didn’t it? Almost as well as Freedom Fries.

notsofast said:
Single payer systems as practiced today are govt. run health care. Case closed.

That’s a big Kart ‘o Krap which, I noticed, you haven’t bothered to support.

sarainitaly said:
BINGO!

We’re on to your trick of using a a mascara brush to change the “3″ to an “8″ and we’ve decided to ban you from further play.

Pablo says:
“Was that the Soros division?”

When you repeat the nonsense that Beck claims, does it make you feel as stupid as you look?

You remind me of a child playing James Bond after seeing Goldfinger in the movie theater. Caught up in the character, you don’t know what’s real and what’s fiction. “Well, Glenn Beck says….and I repeat it because I don’t have an adult mind of my own,” thinks Pablo, the minion. Sad, yet pathetic.

Public option is government run. Don’t blame the messenger for calling it what it is. You guys have such a problem with the truth, geez. just call a spade a spade will ya? Why do you alwaus have to lie?

timzank said:
You guys have such a problem with the truth, geez. just call a spade a spade will ya? Why do you alwaus have to lie?

Oh, you mean like Operation Desert Storm or Iraqi Freedom?

Let’s call a spade a spade.

It was a THE IRAQ WARS.

So what FOX leans right…MSNBC,CNN,CNBC,NBC,CBS,ABC,PBS all lean left whats the problem?..if you don’t like the way they cover the news just don’t watch…you FOX bashers just hate that more people watch FOX’s version of the news than the Dem controlled networks version.

BFD said:
Unless there is a Bush in power. lolol

And then Media Matters would go after MSNBC for it, right? Hello?

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Obamacare in the hands of the government will in the end see the death of us all! That’s the fact public!

Fact: unless you know something I don’t, everyone is going to die at some point anyway

Pablo said:
Wait, you’re the one who said this:

Yes, there are vets who have no other coverage, and use the VA. But many, many, many vets use private insurance from their jobs, like me and John Kerry. Either of us, and the many, many, many others could be using the VA, but don’t because we prefer not to. You ask a question and I give you the answer. Deal with it.

Kerry is still using Govt health care via the Senate. And you are using yours from your work place. Some have pre existing condition nor would their work cover them if they work part time so they combine two occupation to be able to afford it or stick with the VA. The other citizens don’t have the VA to fall back on.

Looking at the workings of the Insurance industry in general is like looking through wax paper. Not much is visible. We cannot allow the Insurance Companies to operate on the honor system like the Stock Market did. Pretty much the same goes for the entire medical industry form drugs and surgery to rehabilitation. Every industry doesn’t just need oversight, it needs scrutiny. All of us need all of these services at some time or another in our lives. What we don’t need and is prevalent in this entire industry along with most industries. I am not saying everyone is dishonest. I am saying some are and some are not. The quicker we get this in our cute little heads the quicker we can harness the expenses. Cutting the services should be the last step in correcting any problem in public service businesses, be them private or public.