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The REAL Health Care Debate: The Obama Administration Vs Fox News

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Picture 28Watching a few hours of Fox News these days amounts to a non-stop infomercial opposing  the Obama Administration’s effort to reform Health Care.  While there is always room for a healthy debate on the issues, please don’t look to Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck for a measured discourse - they  rarely, if ever, present a constructive solution to the current health care problems (though there is the occasional admission that there is need for reform.) No single entity seems more entrenched in the opposition to the health care reform than Fox News.

The political bias of cable news is a time-worn tale, particularly with Fox News. But  it seems like that narrative has made us so numb to blatant subjectivity that we can no longer see clear bias when its right in front of our faces. Does no one care anymore? Or maybe it’s just August and everyone’s on vacation?  Simply put — the amount of propaganda put forth from Fox News is far from fair and balanced — they are very near inciting riots.

Not so? If you watch Glenn Beck or listen to his radio show, you hear a lot of phrases like “waking the sleeping giant” and “we don’t want this country to become Russia.” Cut to the language of protesters confronting their elected officials in the town halls of the past week and one hears the same exact phrases spoken through held back tears and barely restrained emotion.

During Wednesday’s “Talking Points Memo,” O’Reilly made the rather bold claim that the Obama administration is specifically targeting Fox News. How did he make the deduction? Because White House spokesman Robert Gibbs recently said “Well, I think we all have something to lose, Matt, if we let cable television come to town hall meetings and kill health care reform for another year and put the special interests back in charge.

Fox News – particularly O’Reilly – have always been quite savvy at “punching up” – that is, targeting entities that are well above their accepted station (i.e. their current debate with GE). Does claiming to be engaged in a “fight” with the White House serve their purpose? In terms of pleasing their audience it does — just hear the rabble rousers yell to their democratically elected representatives that they want their country back. From a publicity standpoint it’s a genius move – evil genius maybe.

There is  legitimate criticism that the Obama White House has not been able to articulate their new health care agenda in a simple and understandable way. The truth is that it’s currently a very complicated issue. But isn’t that part of the problem — that unnecessarily complex solutions create a multitude of loopholes that allow big corporations to turn a healthy profit? Is that how a free market is supposed to work? Is that the American way, or is it the problem?

The problem is not just with Fox News, nor with cable news in general. We are truly in a nation divided by media consumption, exacerbated by the rise of opinion journalism (at the cost of capital J – journalism). As Kurt Andersen has said, American’s now only consume media the reaffirms their pre-existing opinions.  The vacuum of differing views has been profitable for a number of media outlets, but what cost victory?

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  • TfT

    This article is a bunch of bunk.

    We have ABC pushing the concept of the american citizens standing up for their rights as putting Obama in a dangerous situation. The same media folks who supported the Movie of Bush being assassinated when he was a sitting President, the same media who never bothered to cover the outrageous behavior of the left when Bush was President and the groups that protested him; the same media who ignored Democrat Senator Durbin calling our troops NAZI’s in the well of the Senate.

    Fox News is giving a voice to the average Joe — you know, the ones that Katie, Brian, Charlie, Olbermann, Blitzer et al can’t stand. This article is nothing but elitist snobbism.

    The only ones attempting to “nearly incite riots” are the mainstreamers who are claiming the citizenry speaking out is a bunch of redneck racists and mobsters.

  • JimW

    This article is exactly what I would expect from an organization founded by Dan Abrams. TfT is absolutely correct, “Fox News is giving a voice to the average Joe — you know, the ones that Katie, Brian, Charlie, Olbermann, Blitzer et al can’t stand. This article is nothing but elitist snobbism.”

  • http://mediaite.com Steve Krakauer

    I think this goes too far, Colby.

    While Fox News focuses on the health care debate as framed by the town hall uprisings, they are just one of the cable news networks who give them tremendous coverage. And they certainly aren’t behind the town halls or the feelings of discontent, even if they do spend a lot of time focusing on them.

    Also, as I’ve written before, grouping Bill O’Reilly with Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck doesn’t make sense. There are legitimate debates that take place on his show, and he regularly has people on who disagree with him.

    I also don’t see O’Reilly vs. GE as a “punching up” situation. When GE is actually responding to O’Reilly, as they did this week, they clearly are not exhibiting signs of being “above” him. Sure, the White House may not be directly fighting with Fox News, but they certainly have made comments about cable news in general, and FNC is far and away the industry leader.

  • libra blue

    “…the Obama White House has not been able to articulate their new health care agenda in a simple and understandable way.”

    Isn’t that the whole crux of the problem? Instead of creating “hit lists” of the email addresses of those who are upset about the proposed health care plan(s) maybe the Obama administration should focus on trying to address the questions that these town hall protesters and others are asking about this plan.

    It has become increasingly clear that neither the WH, nor the MSM that supports it, can explain this plan in an understadable way, that is why they have decided to attack the dissenters instead.

    Not only that, there are rumors out there that somehow there is something sinister going on because, they claim, only Republican websites are posting the dates and times of these “meetings.” Maybe I am wrong, but aren’t these meetings being arranged by both Democrats and Republicans and aren’t they posted on the officials’ websites and announced on the news channels?

    Maybe the Democrats should try to do a better job of informing their constituents of these meetings instead of again attacking the messenger.

    Unfortunately, I think that Americans do “consume media that reaffirms their pre-existing opinions” just as the news organizations often report only the angle that best suits their agenda.

  • Colby Hall

    The crux of the problem, as I see it, is that there isn’t an honest debate going on right now. And Fox News, in my humble opinion, is furthering the half-truths, myths and “fear mongering” that is keeping this from becoming an honest and productive discussion.

    I watch Fox News regularly – but until they detail a better/different solution to the health care malaise, their criticism is empty to me. Fox News created a narrative of this being Obama’s Waterloo and its become a self-fulfilling prophecy. And it just so happens that they are enjoying record ratings.

  • TfT

    Colby: You are correct in that there is not an honest debate going on right now. You have ABCCBSNBC spitting out the Obama talking points. ABC just hired a health expert who donated money to Obama (how much can we trust his expertise?). You have MSNBC saying daily, even hourly, that those of us who speak out are racists — talk about inciting violence!

    The “fear mongering” is coming from Team Obama: “If we don’t do it now, our economy will collapse” or whatever the fear message of the day is.

    Palin stoked the fires with her “death panel” statement, but she won the debate. The Senate Version of the bill has removed the “end of life discussion” section because it could have been misinterpreted, misused, etc. That was a debate that resulted in action — victory for Palin and a loss for Obama.

    Your article is bunk, imho, because you singled out Fox.

    In standard operating procedure, media is not talking about the substance of anything, they are talking about the styles of one group being grassroots (the democrats of course) and the other being astroturfers. When in fact, anyone with the ability to read the interent (craigslist for example) can see that it is Team Obama who is paying folks to attend these town halls — the astroturfers are the supporters of Obamacare, not the protesters..

    If you want to raise the level of debate, the article you posted isn’t the way to do it. Look at ABC and Brian Ross’s reporting this morning–it is disgraceful, but is right in line with Team Obama’s latest talking points.

  • http://www.abramsresearch.com/ Dan Abrams

    First time visiting the site JimW? Welcome. Sorry to ruin your vision of what “my” site would look like but for your reading pleasure you might want to check out the following posts. I think they might even fit with what your site would look like. Colby’s column here is his opinion on this issue. Keep coming back, the team here might surprise you.

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cable-news-conquered-fox-news-now-gunning-for-wwe-raw-the-closer/

    http://www.mediaite.com/online/bill-oreilly-attacks-g-e-on-day-3-of-truce-gate-wins-for-good/

    http://www.mediaite.com/print/bill-oreilly-puts-his-love-for-barack-obama-into-a-parade-column/

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-has-the-freshest-music-show-on-tv-somehow/

  • libra blue

    @Colby Hall, I am not trying to defend FNC, but they aren’t the only ones contributing to this problem. Obama and his supporters in the MSM are not doing a very good job of defending his “plan” with any facts, nor have they attempted to satisfactorily answer the questions posed by the “town hall” protesters, which would have been the best defense/offense. They are making the same mistakes they did with the “tea party” protesters, they criticize and insult them without directly responding to their concerns and that has inflamed the situation.

    It is troubling that the same people that are attacking FNC for not having “a better solution” cannot even explain his so-called plan to the American people.

    As I see it Obama and his cronies are contributing to this schism over the health care plan by failing to answer the questions posed at these town hall meetings. If they spent more time on that and less time on creating “hit lists” and pointing fingers maybe the discussion could move forward.

    In my humble opinion, both sides are guilty of “fear mongering.”

    It doesn’t just “happen,” there must be a reason why FNC is “enjoying record ratings.”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Jones/1384303476 Chris Jones

    I guess the constant shilling for Obamacare 100% of the time from MSNBC is perfectly acceptable, right?

  • libra blue

    @TfT, I am an independent, but I agree with much of what you said. I seem to remember some busing going on by the Obama campaign during the election, but we never heard much criticism of that by organizations like CNN and MSNBC.

    Anderson does a lot of “fear mongering” on AC360. He constantly tries to turn every disagreement with Obama into a racial issue. His blog constantly contains numerous articles and columns linking any criticism of Obama to racism by organizations like SPLC and Roland Martin.

    On Wednesday, he had Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center on who discussed what he said is the rise of militia groups since the election and proceeded to try and make that connection by saying the following:

    MARK POTOK, DIRECTOR, SOUTHERN POVERTY LAW CENTER: Well, I think, as you suggest in your intro, it really has a lot to do with the rise of the power of a black man.

    You know, for these people, for this movement in general, the primary kind of enemy is the government, the federal government. That was true in the ’90s, and it’s true today. But the big difference today is that the federal — the face of the federal government is the face of a black man.

    It was more than obvious that Anderson agreed with him. He went on to advise his viewers:

    COOPER: You can go to AC360.com for the full report on the rise of militias, including a fascinating, if twisted, list of plots, conspiracies, and racist rampages in America since the Oklahoma City bombing.

  • TfT

    I watched the segment with Mark Potok and was disgusted. Then I saw the ratings the next day for AC’s show. Then I smiled.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-De-Rosa/503357744 Anthony De Rosa

    Let’s get something straight right off the bat. Fox News doesn’t speak for the “average Joe,” that’s a clever tag line for a network that is as biased as MSNBC or CNN. All of the networks are shills for one party or another, but please don’t insult our intelligence by trying to portray Fox News as any less biased or champion for the common man than any other mainstream network.

    All of the networks are doing a horrible job at actually getting to the facts of what is a vital issue for Americans on the left and the right. The administration deserves most of the blame because they have not provided anyone with a clear plan to defend or object to.

    And please don’t tell me that Fox is somehow a shining beacon of democracy and liberty when they’re simply propping up demagogues of a different persuasion.

    Stop playing politics and personalities and start getting to the issues. MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, and the three major networks are all guilty of dereliction of journalistic duty.

  • JimW

    I love seeing liberals getting ticked-off. Listen, I AM an average Joe. I listen to Fox News because I feel they DO speak for me. I just turned 65, I am on Medicare, I get supplemental insurance from AARP and I don’t want my life screwed with by a president and administration I am beginning to distrust. I was right there on the front lines with ACT UP, I’ve spent HOURS helping friends make quilts (for the Names Project) honoring loved ones who died from AIDS, and with all my liberal leanings, I do not trust Barack Obama. I can’t believe what the mainstream media has become. Thank God for Fox News!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-De-Rosa/503357744 Anthony De Rosa

    Jim, you’re one guy. Don’t pretend to speak for every average Joe in America. I am one too and none of the networks, including Fox News, speak for me. I’m insulted by all the networks who pretend to present news while they’re just parroting talking points from their respective ideologies.

    If you’re on Medicare, you already support socialized medicine. I don’t necessarily support a nationalized method, I support fixing a system that costs both of us $2.5 trillion a year and rising to cover the uninsured. I believe that will require good ideas from the left and the right. Do you hear any network, including Fox News, actually spending time discussing solutions? Of course not, they’re all too busy creating useless controversies that solve nothing.

    How on earth you think Fox News is any better than the mainstream networks is beyond me. They’re all doing an awful job of informing the public and are more interested in generating ratings by coming up with personality and political battles rather than solutions.

  • schmoe

    I don’t know. I guess it is all where you come from. While all the news networks have their biases, I just think Fox News is on another level of bias 10 orders of magnitude greater than any other network or media outlet. The level of disinformation – I have a hard time considering it a news network. I have read the Washington Times, the Pittsburgh Trib – these are conservative outlets. Fox News is something entirely different.

  • TfT

    The only point that I would make regarding Fox News, versus the other networks. FNC gives the conservative representatives a voice to talk about their alternatives to Obamacare. And they have several. If you watch ABCCBSNBCMSNBCCNN all you hear is the republicans are the “party of NO” because that is Obama’s message.

    I concur whole heartedly that every news organization should be faulted on this topic. They all focus on style over substance because it is easier to “report” that way.

    But at least on FNC, I can see a conservative tell me the alternatives without getting jammed/slammed/rebuffed/interrupted/etc.

    I don’t rely on any of the networks, cable or otherwise, for the fullness of the news I seek. I watch CSPAN house and senate hearings whenever I can; I read transcripts, and I read the web. I inform myself because I know I cannot trust any “news” organization to inform me.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Anthony-De-Rosa/503357744 Anthony De Rosa

    TfT, I don’t dispute that ABC, CBS, MSNBC, and CNN are as biased as Fox News is, but I don’t care for those networks either. Five wrongs don’t make a right. Don’t prop up Fox News just because the other four networks are just as disingenuous. When are we going to stand up as Americans, all of us, to stop being treated like puppets for ALL of these ideologies. We have real problems that need real solutions and we are stuck with all of these outlets that do nothing but massage and affirm our prejudices.

    Can we stop making excuses for ANY network, please? Fox News included.

  • libra blue

    @Anthony Rosa, I agree, FNC isn’t any better or worse than any other of the so-called “news” organizations out there. Does anybody really believe that any of the overpaid teleprompter reading talking heads like Bill O’Reilly, Anderson Cooper, or Keith Olbermann really care about what the “average Joe” is going through? These penthouse dwelling celebrities don’t know the first thing about what it is to struggle to make ends meet. They are there to push their organizations’ or their own personal agendas and to incite their audiences for the sake of ratings in order to keep their inflated salaries.

    I do have to agree with TfT that FNC is the only one that is allowing those opposing Obama’s policies to speak without being cut off or ridiculed, but I also think that Fox was guilty of pandering to Bush when he was in office.

    The problem with the “average Joes” is that they often allow themselves to be swayed by clever tag lines, pretty faces, and other superficial Madison Avenue gimmicks employed by these news organizations. They should take some responsibility and inform themselves then they will be able to hold the O’Reillys, Coopers, and Olbermanns of the world accountable.

  • debordelique

    Two Words: Rumor Bomb. Well, there is a considerable amount of social scientific evidence to support points made in this post above. One could start with the Pew Center on The People and the Press, where it looks like people choose news sources based on trust and political beliefs. But it is an exaggeration to suggest that all or even the majority of U.S. citizens are like this. Indeed, the current mediation of these townhall meetings is a function of the same problem; these disrupters appear to be a vocal minority. When they are foisted on the news agenda for their spectacular/tabloid quality (they piss some people off and are a point of deep emotional identification for others) but are not framed as being an uncivil, anti-democratic (because disrespecting of civil debate) minority, they start to look normal, even seriously majoritarian. But the current cultural fallout over healthcare reform shows deep American cultural conflicts. Even pointing this out, and insisting on an ethic of civil/respectful debate will be re-spun by some as mere “liberal” rhetoric. When we reach this stage of affairs, is there really a democracy left? All social instiutions are to blame for these cultural tendencies: schools, religion, family, and especially the cutthroat market media, in crisis due to the internet (sites and comments like…this). Why? Factchecking, challenging deliberately or stupidly slippery language, reporting both sides (or as many as possible)–all this has gone down the drain due to time/speed, fewer financial resources to keep up, and pressures for attention which lead to printing and showing anything that will sustain attention, piss people off, etc. This is the era of THE RUMOR BOMB.
    Well-documented and discussed here: http://flowtv.org/?p=2259

  • http://debunkerhill.com CatM

    You are completely correct that Fox News has committed itself full-time to ginning up opposition not only to the healthcare bill but to the Obama administration. Studies show that Fox viewers are the most ill-informed compared with viewers of other networks or those who listen to NPR. A recent analysis of Fox coverage of the healthcare debate showed that Fox had guests on who opposed healthcare reform at a 6 to 1 ratio, yet polls consistently show the majority of the American people support it.

    One can do as Jon Stewart does and take footage of what the Fox talking heads say today and juxtapose it with what they said during the Bush administration and you find that they have no principles; they say whatever fits with their political agenda. For example, they criticized leftwing protesters as “unAmerican” and “unpatriotic” and decry such terminology being used against conservative protesters. A year ago, Glenn Beck talked about how terrible American healthcare was–even at the best hospitals. Yesterday, he said it was the best in the world. Bill O’Reilly is among the worst when it comes to denying the reality of what he said. His viewers may have Alzheimers or other reasons for their increasingly short memories, but the video does not.

    Fox is nothing more than the attempt by a very wealthy Australian man named Rupert Murdoch who does the same thing in other countries to manipulate Americans into supporting policies that help him boost his bank accounts.

    And Glenn Beck? He is insane and dangerous–not to mention, idiotic.

    I do think organizations like Fox have succeeded in fractioning America. I feel no kinship with the people who regularly view Fox and honestly believe what they are hearing. As someone who pursues knowledge everywhere, from many different sources, I am too well informed to not recognize the fallacies of their arguments.

    Good opinion piece, Colby. It looks ilke you got “Freeped,” which is when conservatives link to something they do not like and attack it en masse in an attempt to make it look like theirs is the majority of opinion. Kind of like what they are doing with the healthcare town halls.

    And Dan, please never stoop to defending yourself against these people. Nothing is more maddening to me than seeing people who are doing a good job of presenting factual information bend over backwards to coddle to the manufactured outrage on the right by compromising honest journalism (or, in this case, reality-based writing). Media organizations need to ditch these attempts at false equivalency that require them to give equal weight to opinions and perspectives that they know and rational Americans know are not equal in weight.

  • JimW

    CatM, put down the Kool Aid. You’re starting to sound a lot like Keith Olbermann.

    “Media organizations need to ditch these attempts at false equivalency that require them to give equal weight to opinions and perspectives that they know and rational Americans know are not equal in weight.”

    For God’s sake. Was it Edgar in King Lear who said:

    “The worst is not.
    So long as we can say ‘This is the worst.”

  • http://debunkerhill.com CatM

    Jim W, it’s not “kool-aid,” it’s intelligence. I sound nothing like Keith Olbermann. His voice is much deeper than mine, for starters.

    No idea (re: Edgar), but it was Queen Gertrude in Hamlet who said, “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” Based on your name and avatar, I’m surmising that you are not a lady, but the sentiment remains the same.

    You’ve offered absolutely nothing that could be construed as a rebuttal, only your protestations, leading me to believe you have nothing else to offer.

  • JimW

    CatM, surmise nothing, I am most definitely a lady!

  • John Guerra

    Jim W:
    I cannot say this with enough strength. Fox News is the public relations arm of the right wing, evangelical, neo-conservative nutcases. There is no other way to put it to you. You should read online somewhere about Roger Ailes and the lies and public deciet he used against Democratic candidates in many, many campaigns. The guy in charge of Fox News was one of Ailes’ proteges, and he took Ailes’ lessons and applied them to cable news. The journalism business has a code of ethics and standards agreed upon by newspaper editors all over the country. Fox News absolutely breaks all of the ethics rules whenever it goes on the air. This is a fact.
    Jefferson, Adams, all of the founding fathers included freedom of the press because an informed public will made better decisions. If real journalists follow ethics and rules, such as having three sources and accurately reporting the news, then Fox News is and always has been a group of ideologues who’ve refused again and again to follow traditional journalism ethics. They lie all the time. I’m sorry to tell you this, but I’m telling you this simply as a non-involved participant in the news business.
    Now, the fact is, Fox News puts people on who perpetrate the obscene lie that old people will be euthenized and or won’t get coverage under Obama’s plan. That’s a lie. You and other ill-informed viewers of the Fox News Network have been acting irrationally and shoudl i say, rather idiotic at the town hall meetings. You’ve been handled, Jim, you’ve been handled by the Health insurance industry and a group of Republican men who sent out directions to these groups on how to disrupt these important meetings.
    I am not ashamed of this country but am ashamed and sickened anytime I accidentally run into a Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck diatribe on the TV. I have been a reporter for 30 years and I was in this business before the disgusting Fox News ever showed up on the landscape and it’s been an absolutely damaging network to this nation’s understanding of civic affairs.
    They repeated the Bush Administration lies and the faked intelligence about yellow cake and uranium and Saddam’s alleged involvement in 9-11.
    It is my opinion that because Fox News presented the Bush-Cheney lies as news and as main stream, all the while denigrating Americans who were asking questions about why our soldiers should die needlessly and in vain in a country that never attackes us. That is criminal behavior.
    Unless you start reading other news sources, you’re going to never understand who’s destroying America for real. I don’t know you, but anyone who depends on Fox for their information is ill informed and will believe the most impossible lies coming from the unethical and dangerous southern lawmakers and their absolutely corrupt lobbying friends.
    Blackwater, by the way, is a product of Bush Cheney, and Fox loves them. If someone is going to take your guns, my friend, it’s going to be Erik Prince and his Blackwater thugs, who to this day have government contracts.
    Information is your ally. Your enemy is Fox News. Please, please, see them for the dangerous liars that they are.
    And, by the way, Hannity, Beck and O’Reilly all show classic signs of mental illness, paranoia and I believe hallucinations.
    If that’s the people you trust to give you your news, you are in a sad state of thinking to be sure.
    –John Guerra

  • John Guerra

    One more quick note for Jim W: Read presidential directive 51, which George Bush put together. That’s where you’ll find the real changes coming our way. If Obama doesn’t disregard it, you can say goodbye to 50 states, which will be replaced by six regions controlled not by governors but asistants to the Homeland Security Director.
    It’s a chilling document and it’s real. Just do a search online for Presidential Directive 51 and you’ll see why Fox News backs Bush and the conservatives. Fox News is not for freedom and the America you and I love. They are for corporate ownership of everything and the death of the middle class. That’s the ugly truth.

    JG

  • TfT

    So John G “Has been a reporter” for 30 years, and is incensed that the left no longer completely controls the TV airwaves. You hate FNC because it is the ONLY network where a conservative can be heard without the incessant interruptions (see O’Donnel’s interviews as evidence). As a “reporter” I would think you would be a proponent of all free speech, not just liberal lefty free speech — but alas, I would be wrong. The press has buried themselves — journalism is dead. The opinion shows on FNC are primarily hosted by right wingers, the opinion shows on MSNBC are all hosted by left wingers, CNN is just lost — they can’t seem to make up their minds. No more radio hosts allowed on their shows, but having a comedian host LKL is just fine with them. Cooper, King, Campbell, Blitzer et al are all left wingers. Katie, Brian and Charlie are all left wingers. Mainstream news is of the left and for the left. FNC gives conservatives a place to go to hear from republicans who are drowned out on every other television network. FNC is kicking the other cablers to the curb with their ratings — there is a reason for that. I do not trust a single word I hear from Katie Brian or Charlie, I don’t believe what is said on MTP or FTN either, and as for George Stephanapolous hosting a Sunday morning show and ABC claiming he is objective — well, that is down right laughable.

    I see you are an Olberman fan.

  • Marty

    Jim W & TFT…you folks are so lost it is sad!!!

    Why can’t people ever be honest with who they really are. The article points out how people basically watch the news source that suits their already made up minds…..so if you are a devoted Fox News watcher you were already against Obama from the start and anything he does ever, you will be against.

    1)The healthcare plan will take NOTHING FROM YOU! If you like your current plan..you can keep it, the “Obama Plan” simply gives people a CHOICE to choose a government plan if they like.

    2) They will pay for it by dropping excessives and by raising taxes…ON MILLIONAIRES!!! Not average “joes” so our taxes won’t go up at all

    3) You think its “socialism” or “government taking over healthcare” tell that to people who are on Medicare, Medicaid and VA healthcare….all of which are GOVERNMENT SYSTEM PLANS!!! So if the Republicans are so against “socialism” why won’t they stand up and stop these programs too???!!!

    That fact that you folks won’t acknowledge this just shows the SHEEP that you are. You will only follow what your ignorant minds already believe and you will only see what you want to see. I know, I know..you are going to say I am being elitist or that I am looking down on the common man….you know what. I have a right to look down on anyone who has the truth right in front of them but still CHOOSES not to see it. A person like that is not worthy of respect. I don’t respect any person who let’s prejudice, ignorance and immaturity block the progress of the United States. You know what I Want My Country Back To…..!!! From people like YOU!

    B.T.W.on your comment….

    “Palin stoked the fires with her “death panel” statement, but she won the debate. The Senate Version of the bill has removed the “end of life discussion” section because it could have been misinterpreted, misused, etc. That was a debate that resulted in action — victory for Palin and a loss for Obama”

    Is not true!!!! Congress is not in session right now, they are on vacation remember, so no laws or amendments have been made or changed..because no one is there to do it…so put down the celebration glass!!

  • TfT

    The Senators and Congressman are out of session, the staff continue to work details on the health care bill. Your statement:

    1)The healthcare plan will take NOTHING FROM YOU! If you like your current plan..you can keep it, the “Obama Plan” simply gives people a CHOICE to choose a government plan if they like.

    Is bunk and you should know that. Obama is for a single payer system, as is evidenced by his past statements. Barney Frank has said just recently, that offering the Government Plan is the path to single payer and is their intent.

  • WakeUp

    The powers that truly control this country must love the endless bantering between the left and the right. It takes the focus away from the target that deserves the full wrath of all Americans: huge, multinational corporations. Democratic. . . No! Socialist. . . No! Capitalist. . . No! Face it, we live in a Corporatist country. Huge corporations have incredible influence and power over both Republicans and Democrats in Washington and around the globe. They will shape any health care reform we get from Washington in such a way that their interests (Profits) are protected.

    Don’t think the insurance companies and big Pharma are spending millions to kill any real health care reform? You are naive or, sorry, just not very smart.

    Don’t think the financial giants, who were largely responsible for the current worldwide economic mess, are already reaping huge profits? “Citibank’s Energy chief wants the company to honor his contract, for 2008, that could be as high as $100 million.-WSJ” Wonder why gas went over $4 a gallon last year when supply was rising and demand was actually falling? Speculative trading of oil. By the time it reached it’s final destination, a barrel of oil had been traded 27 times on average. This was not how the Commodities Exchange was designed.

    People of this country need to wake up and educate themselves. Seek the facts. Seek the truth. Opinions expressed on cable news outlets are just that. . .OPINIONS!

    I recommend reading The Shock Doctrine, by Naomi Klein. With over 4 years of investigative research and reporting, not to mention 60+ pages of footnotes, Ms. Klein offers a thesis (not an opinion) on Disaster Capitalism that should scare the hell out of everyone in this country.

  • Pam1151

    TfT there will never be single payer health care in this country because of the corporations as Wake Up says. You don’t need to worry about that in your lifetime. I have great health care so I really don’t have to worry about all of this crazy talk. I do believe I will be able to keep what I have because my insurance company needs my premiums and “unfortunately” they are not going anywhere regardless of what happens with this health care bill.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Gregory-Backus/615261184 James Gregory Backus

    TfT said:
    This article is a bunch of bunk.

    We have ABC pushing the concept of the american citizens standing up for their rights as putting Obama in a dangerous situation. The same media folks who supported the Movie of Bush being assassinated when he was a sitting President, the same media who never bothered to cover the outrageous behavior of the left when Bush was President and the groups that protested him; the same media who ignored Democrat Senator Durbin calling our troops NAZI’s in the well of the Senate.

    Fox News is giving a voice to the average Joe — you know, the ones that Katie, Brian, Charlie, Olbermann, Blitzer et al can’t stand. This article is nothing but elitist snobbism.

    The only ones attempting to “nearly incite riots” are the mainstreamers who are claiming the citizenry speaking out is a bunch of redneck racists and mobsters.

    Just incredible that you can watch this and only see what you want to see instead of the truth. Fox doesn’t represent any “average” American. They represent the blind faith sheep of the Republican Corporate Citizenship. The dumbest constituents whom offer little and nothing to mankind or our country.

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