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Ron Paul Angrily Rebuts Jake Tapper Over Question About 9/11 Conspiracies

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Ron Paul strongly rebuffed ABC News’s Jake Tapper on Sunday’s This Week, when he had brought up a quote by former senior campaign aide Eric Dondero, that claimed the Republican presidential candidate had engaged in 9/11 conspiracy theories. “Now, wait, wait, wait! Don’t go any further on that. That’s complete nonsense!” Paul exclaimed.

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“It’s nonsense? It’s not true?” Tapper asked.

“No, I never bought into that stuff, never talked about it. About the conspiracy of Bush — of Bush knowing about this?” Paul responded incredulously. “No, no, come on! Come on! Let’s be reasonable! That’s just off-the-wall!”

Watch Paul shut down Tapper over the 9/11 conspiracy theory question below via ABC:

(h/t HuffPo)

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  • http://twitter.com/JoeyBoots Joey Boots

    Emphatically deny and then no followup from reporter.

  • Anonymous

    The idiot “reporter” got called out and backed off his hit-job.

  • http://twitter.com/Agonzo1 anthonybgonzalez

    If the questions is based on lies, there should be no obligation to answer it. 

  • Anonymous

    Crazy old man looks crazy, old.

    Not news.

    RON PAUL 2012.  THE TROOF IS OUT THERE.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WH3ZLMM7CUKUHUIMK4TKXW6SQE John

    There was no point to that question other than to make Ron Paul look crazy.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WH3ZLMM7CUKUHUIMK4TKXW6SQE John

    I think at this point Ron Paul would actually welcome a “How often do you beat your wife?” question.  These are not even interviews anymore.  

  • Brewzer

    Man Jake really tried some dirty stuff right there. Did you notice how he just tossed it in there and kept going. Dr. Paul put him in his place. Good!

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul does fine making Ron Paul look crazy all by himself.

  • Anonymous

    The supposed trick question is “Have you stopped beating your wife?”  Paul could answer “How often do you beat your wife” by saying “never.”

    Paul’s wife could kick Paul’s ass.

    And then Paul could blame his ass-whooping on the Jews.

  • Anonymous

    Absolute nonsense! The United States is completely on its deathbed and you have this yellow journalism making matter worse!  Pure insanity..

    Every American must watch this video in its entirety and make it VIRAL..

    Prepared to be Very ANGRY! 

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQR2z4YCzDw 

    WAKE UP!! 

    Ron Paul 2012 or RIP…

  • Booberry Pah

    Works for Obama.

  • Anonymous

    He can quit associating with Alex Jones and other conspiracy theorists.  Of course, that will never happen.  So, the conspiracies stay up.  Many on the right think Obama’s a communist because he’s openly advocating for socialism and surrounds himself with communists.  Why apply to one one standard that we would not apply to another?  Cut off Alex Jones then act like the victim, perhaps.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WH3ZLMM7CUKUHUIMK4TKXW6SQE John

    Just because Ron Paul is polite to Alex Jones does not make him a conspiracy theorist.

  • Anonymous

    The question was based on Ron Paul’s statement that the Bush administration viewed 9/11 with “glee” because it gave them an excuse to invade Iraq. Half of that statement is true. But I agree, that question from Tapper was BS.

  • Anonymous

    Dr. Ron Paul didn’t get mad at Jake Tapper, he was angry at the quote which was an overt lie and was very passionately expressing to Tapper that is was nonsense. I know Mediaite is on a quest to make Dr. Paul seem like a grumpy old man, but people can actually watch all these things you write stories on — kinda one of the disadvantages of writing articles about TV clips.

    Overall it was a very good interview, I thought out of the tour that Dr. Paul did today of the Sunday shows this one was fairest, I’d expect no less from Jake Tapper, and had the tough questions that Dr. Paul will inform the nation on as his popularity grows.

  • Anonymous

    What a load. I have followed Paul for 20 years, back before he became a Repub. Also, Alex Jones.
    Paul has taken his ultra extreme message and moderated it as his centrist popularity has grown and Jones has gone off further into the weeds. But, go back and look, they are thick as they can get, each using the other when it suited them. And they both bought into the conspiracy that is 9-11 just to different degrees.
    These folks believing Paul has a snow ball’s chance to be the candidate are delusional.
    The owners of the country will never allow that.

  • Anonymous

    Its kind of hard to follow-up when you have no facts to back up your claim. 

  • http://games-survival.com Justplaythegame

    I don’t mind those questions asked of Dr Paul.. he answers straight and honest and does not candy coat.. Kind of refreshing from a candidate.. I trust his word and look forward in making him the Republican candidate.. and hopefully the next President of the United States.

    Anyone confused about Ron Paul need to search out his record. Search out the truth and forget paid for Media pushing another candidate by their paychecks.

    Ron Paul 2012 and Beyond…

  • Anonymous

    Except the voters are going crazy for Dr Ron Paul too?
    Warmongering, banker bailouts, drone massacres, NDAA “Billof No Rights and Beastiality” is the Norm? Then Yes, I’m Batsh*t CRAZY!

  • Anonymous

    I would suggest Dr Ron Paul mention the NDAA “Bill of No Rights and
    Beastiality” . The Media are covering for this psycho administration and will end the interview as soon as he mentions it!

  • http://profiles.google.com/fatlibertarianinokc Fat Libertarian

    Paul also associates and interviews with many others who aren’t 9/11 truthers.  So I guess he’s a truther and not a truther.  No.  What this really comes down to is people like you who care more about Alex Jones individual beliefs than you do government control.   Alex Jones is not in a position of power over you or I and support his right to investigate 9/11.  There’s nothing wrong with that.  

    Yes, neocons – I WORRY MORE ABOUT BIG GOVERNMENT THAN I DO ALEX JONES.

  • http://twitter.com/RabbleRealist A Rabble Realist

    So now Ron Paul is disavowing Alex Jones and the 9/11 Truth movement? LMAO really? He’s on there every other week.

  • Anonymous

    Dr. Paul is guilty of doing what all these guys do. The rest of the clown car crew has done it with the birthers. Even Obama has done it with the code pink crazies. You wink at them. Give them coded messages you are one of them.

    But you aren’t. You never are. But you are more than willing to cash their checks.

    Hell, almost the entire Republican field was running to get in on this grifter circuit.

  • http://www.intoxination.net intoxination

    Well let’s see. For 4 years now Barack Obama has answered questions of the theory that he was secretly born in Kenya and the entire state of Hawaii colluded to cover it up in the early 60s just so he could become President one day. I believe if he can go through that then Ron Paul can handle this simple question. If he can’t then he has no business being in the White House. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ram-Kumar/1150996573 Ram Kumar

    Hey crackpot, dont post the same messages in every page here. Go back to your basement, wear your momma’s panties and dance around where no one is watching.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ram-Kumar/1150996573 Ram Kumar

    Ooh, “the Jooz”…thats what makes your butt turn red? Go grab a cookie…

  • Anonymous

    prisonplanet.tv, infowars.com

  • 12voltman1

    I’m Hoping Paul will win on Tuesday for Obama sake.
    Go crazy Doctor go!

  • 12voltman1

    Thanks for the mental picture….Not!

  • Anonymous

    The presstututes are working overtime in their efforts to marginalize, mock and smear Ron Paul. They are in full panic mode, and they have the anti-Paul propaganda machine running in overdrive.

    Please help Ron Paul counter-punch the attackers by donating to the Ron Paul money bomb. Visit his official website: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

    Let’s make this a truly Happy New Year by supporting the only man who will really change anything in Washington.

  • Anonymous

    I think you’re confusing your fantasies with reality.  While Obama may have heard thousands of questions about his birth place few if any were asked directly to his face interview after interview.

    For the record.  I Obama is a natural born citizen imo.

    Ron Paul who warned America the NDAA was coming in a Republican debate a few months ago is now asked the same questions over and over.  None of them relating to the stripping of constitutional rights.

    You and people like you may prefer to ask a man about a paragraph he wrote in a book 24 years ago.  But people like me would prefer that the man who has promised to end war, reign in out of control spending and defend and restore my rights, prefer to hear what he has to say about laws like NDAA.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Cody-Wendt/100000021364934 Cody Wendt

    Because of course, in order to let someone else interview him, one must agree with everything that interviewer believes.

  • NadePaulKuciGravMcKi

    criminal controlled media seems extra concerned
    over any and all questions re 11 SEP 01 cover-up
     
    Government would never conspire to deceive the public.

  • Anonymous

    Paul thinks FEMA is setting up concentration camps to detain American Citizens during Martial Law.

    He’s Coo Coo for Coconuts.   

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul quote:

    This superhighway would connect Mexico, the United States, and Canada, cutting a wide swath through the middle of Texas and up through Kansas City. Offshoots would connect the main artery to the west coast, Florida, and northeast. Proponents envision a ten-lane colossus the width of several football fields, with freight and rail lines, fiber-optic cable lines, and oil and natural gas pipelines running alongside…
    The ultimate goal is not simply a superhighway, but an integrated North American Union–complete with a currency, a cross-national bureaucracy, and virtually borderless travel within the Union. Like the European Union, a North American Union would represent another step toward the abolition of national sovereignty altogether.”

    he’s a conspiracy nut.

  • Anonymous

    This is the text of a Ron Paul bill that he is currently pushing in COngress.

    The Supreme Court of the United States and each Federal court–

    (1) shall not adjudicate–

    (A) any claim involving the laws, regulations, or policies of any State or unit of local government relating to the free exercise or establishment of religion;

    (B) any claim based upon the right of privacy, including any such claim related to any issue of sexual practices, orientation, or reproduction; or

    (C) any claim based upon equal protection of the laws to the extent such claim is based upon the right to marry without regard to sex or sexual orientation; and

    (2) shall not rely on any judicial decision involving any issue referred to in paragraph (1).

    Can you see how dangerous this man is?  

  • Anonymous

    Why should anyone be polite to that blowhard, lying sack of crap?

  • Anonymous

    So you are.  

  • Anonymous

    Actually crazy id people like yourself who keep supporting and voting for the SAME candidates whether it be republican or democrat, because they are all part of the status quo to continue the same old.  Ron Paul is a beam of light to freedom.. but of course you can choose the destruction of this country if you want.  Just dont call Paul crazy then.

  • Anonymous

    He also goes on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox so what does that tell you? They are all part of a big machine to continue the wars and big government and you are singling out Alex Jones who I don’t even listen to?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_TUDFPTFJCG5S2FWPNVFRGYSTXQ Sassan

    That’s a LIE!! I urge people to watch this short video clip with Ron Paul answering a question on “why won’t he come out on the truth about 9/11″. It is astonishing and it makes a rational observer conclude that Ron Paul indeed is a truther. Watch for yourselves: http://youtu.be/3u0tgNUfOL8

  • Anonymous

    No chance?  Well, do you understand the primary process?  I doubt it, because “no chance” is ridiculous…

  • Anonymous

    Yes, just like when Sarah Palin kept going when Katie Couric asked her what kind of magazines she reads;  ALL OF THEM, I’LL GET BACK WITH YOU ON THAT.     Ron Paul, a supposed doctor who doesn’t realize that you can’t catch aids from a toilet seat can hustle a news commentator, but won’t fool the American people for long.     This guy who says, LET HIM DIE when asked about an individual without health care in a coma was classic Ron Paul….I DON’T CARE ABOUT ANYBODY, AND NO ONE CARES ABOUT ME!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jamie-Cornett/1324871401 Jamie Cornett

    I dont feel like explaining it, and you wont care anyway, but activist judges can interpret the bill of rights to meet their agenda and in turn will become law of all 50 states as opposed to each individual state with state courts.  Among many other reasons he wrote “we the people act”.

  • Anonymous

    Under libertarianism, discrimination would be permitted.  

    Discrimination infringes on the very freedom libertarians say they value.

    If someone is not allowed to live where they choose, eat where they choose, etc….then they are not FREE.   That is the opposite of freedom.

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul IS crazy!   This is the 21st century, not the 19th.    His philosophy of isolationism will not work in today’s America.    Perhaps when people used the horse and buggy, but those days are long behind us.    What happens in our economy happens in the economies of the world…and vise versa.    We need government services like FEMA…the EPA…and the FDA..for the health and safety of all americans.    We have a stake in what goes on in the world; like a dictator saying that he will cleanse the world of a certain race (like when Clinton intervened in Kosovo)….like when Obama intervened in Libya.    Should we not care about Iran getting a nuclear weapon and using it against Israel?     Can we as the Leader of the Free World hide ourselves within the United States and ignore the rest of the world?    Yes, Ron Paul is crazy but unfortunately, like Jim Jones, has followers who believe in his smoke and mirrors.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WH3ZLMM7CUKUHUIMK4TKXW6SQE John

    Yeah, I’m no Alex Jones fan but at least he doesn’t treat Ron Paul like the press did today.

  • Anonymous

    Yeah, I understand the primary process and I understand the system. The reality is the system is not going to run a candidate whose major goal is to dismantle the system. Believing otherwise is what is ridiculous.

  • bugspotter24

    Dondero again?
    Hm. That expelled and disgruntled ex-”former aide” Dondero sure is a heck of a source; they’re always going back to him…
    Surely he can provide corroborating witnesses?
    You know, like Bachmann did in her accusation that Paul had bought off Sorenson?
    Or was that also a “conversation just between him and me”?
    Pff.
    What a joke. 
    Keep doing your thing, Doc. We got yo back.

  • Anonymous

    I agree the “system” is trying its best to dismantle paul’s campaign, but let’s see if it is working. They hit him HARD for 2 weeks with racist nonsense and his poll numbers didn’t fall, so who nows. Let’s wait and see, but to say he has NO chance, is silly.

  • Anonymous

    So you’re not interested in what Paul wrote 24 years ago?   And some are not interested in what took place on the house floor when Gingrich was dragged down there in the 90s by both Republicans and Democrats for lying.   Still others aren’t concerned that a guy who says he’ll create jobs, threw hundreds out to make a profit at Bain Incorporated.    No one wants to take the time to vet their candidate…all he has to say is something that they like, and the vetting process stops.    Having an isolationist president is not my idea of entering into the 21st century.     If another Kuwait, Kosovo, or Libya  spring up, does that mean that our president turns his back on the crisis…sure sounds like it.     Okay he says he’s against war, does that mean if he has to go to war…he’ll refuse?     Ron Paul reminds me of another president we had once….James Buchanan.    He didn’t believe that the government had any right to step in and stop the southern states from seceding from the union.  He wanted the next president to handle it if he felt it necessary.   His idea was “hands off” we don’t need to get involved.    He left an incredible mess for Lincoln to fix…didn’t he?     And say Iran developes a nuclear bomb and uses it against their vowed target, Israel….do you think THAT would be a mess the next president would have to fix?

  • Anonymous

    You’ll need to post a link with proof of him saying that or that coo coo for coconuts thing is really just you calling yourself nuts.

  • Anonymous

    But I thought Ron Paul was the crackpot?

  • Brewzer

    Can you please show me in this video where Dr. Paul says “Let him die” or the part where he pulled a Sam Jackson and said “Yes they deserve to die and I hope they burn in hell”?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hd1UbSPx-E 

    At 50 seconds in Mold Blitzer asks Dr. Paul…

    Blitzer- “But Congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die”

    Paul- “No”

    Now, I went ahead and looked up the definition of “No” for you…

    no1    /noʊ/ noh] Show IPA adverb, adjective, noun, plural noes, nos, verb
    adverb
    1. (a negative used to express dissent, denial, or refusal, as in response to a question or request)
    2. (used to emphasize or introduce a negative statement): Not a single person came to the party, no, not a one.
    3. not in any degree or manner; not at all (used with a comparative): He is no better.
    4. not a (used before an adjective to convey the opposite of the adjective’s meaning): His recovery was no small miracle.   http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/no 

    Now, I am sure that you are in a snappy mood since today is the first of the month, and you got your welfare check. But, before you try and pass off the regurgitated talking points the Obama campaign sent along with your food stamps, why don’t you try to use your computer for something useful, like finding the truth.

  • Anonymous

    Let me adress each point.

    “His philosophy of isolationism.” Your whole premise is wrong. He is an non-interventionist, just like Canada, Japan, Germany, Brazil, Sweden, Italy, China etc.  Are you suggesting all those countries are isolationist?  No.  North Korea is an isolationist country, so was the former USSR.  But nice try with your media talking points.

    “We need government services like FEMA…the EPA…and the FDA..for the health and safety of all americans”

    We do?  So what happened before those agencies?  FEMA is a disaster.   Hint: Katrina…

    “ We have a stake in what goes on in the world; like a dictator saying that he will cleanse the world of a certain race”

    Odd, why didn’t the US go into the Congo, Rwanda, TIbet, and I can go on when they were being “cleansed” by their dictators and brutal governments?  If you are so eager to go to war, sign up .  Don’t force others to go and spend their money on YOUR wars.

    “Should we not care about Iran getting a nuclear weapon and using it against Israel? ”  

    Why do you care about Israel?   Do you live there?  Apparently you don’t care about the US.

  • Anonymous

    Fair questions. If a senior aide makes that statement about him, he needs to respond. And of course, same with the newsletters.

  • Anonymous

    In addition…if the people of Germany were interested what Adolph Hitler wrote while in prison (Mein Kamp), perhaps they could have stopped him before he started his campaign to liquidate the Jews.

  • Anonymous

    One could have said those things about the polls with regard to Trump, Cain, Perry and Gingrich not too long ago. They were eliminated.
     One also can’t confuse the babble of the MSM and the blogs with the system “trying” to take down Paul. I repeat it because you seem to have missed it- the System will not run a candidate whose stated goal is to dismantle it. It’s as plain as that.
    “Ridiculous” and “silly”?
    Just watch how it plays out.

  • Anonymous

    Its somebody that was fired years ago for performance issues and is disgrunted.  I think you got your response.

  • Anonymous

    Very possible. But if someone from a presidential candidate’s former inner circle makes these kinds of allegations, it’s fair of a reporter to ask the candidate about it. And Paul had a good answer.

  • Anonymous

    Well, there is a huge difference. They were soft surges promoted by the media, and this they imploded.  Ron Paul has had a steady and slow increase of support, which doesn’t go away.

    PLUS, new news from Virginia. Only Paul and Romney will be on the ballot.  This is MAJOR news and again shows you Paul has a chance, because Romney does not do well in the  south.

    And we will see how it plays out.  His son Won KY against the establishment and media bias.  

  • http://twitter.com/TheJeffSeal Jeff Seal

    Name calling is the first sign of insecurity. You have nothing productive to say about Ron Paul, so do us a favour and go vote for Romney or Obama or whoever neocon you support!

  • gary gayler

    Yep, Texas & Oklahoma I know spent millions of dollars legislating and passing legislation against this plan and to insure the loose interpretation of “imminent domain” for this highway would be throttled.  Two people talking about just about anything can be defined as conspiracy.

  • Anonymous

    What’s the cause to investigate big government extensively if they are killing their own people?  Priorities may be mixed…

  • Anonymous

    I can’t say about you, but personally, I try to avoid nutjobs and prefer them not to have the President on speed dial.

  • Anonymous

    You’re calling people crazy, and yet after all these months and all these debates you are still saying he is an isolationism?

    There is really no excuse for it at this point.

    If you can’t provide even the tiniest amount of intellectual honesty, then your opinion is worthless.

  • Anonymous

    He didn’t write them 24 years ago, so your entire point is kind of moot.

    You familiar with the concept of paragraphs?  I didn’t bother reading the rest.

  • Anonymous

    Yes Chilidawg and Mayhem, we are millions of BATSHIT CRAZY people who’ve had enough corruption to deal with. Anyone who thinks the corruption, graft and propaganda coming from Washington is acceptable is either incapable of existing without Uncle Sam’s butt-wiping, nose-blowing and “management” services, or they are scared to death of the truth Ron Paul is telling. In that case, go find a nice big rock to hide under for the duration of the transformation. The lyrics go like this …(fingers in ears) La la la la la la….

  • Anonymous

    Ask the people in Texas if they think that’s a conspiracy.    

  • http://twitter.com/kabmn00 kevin

    All you Ron Paul fans.  The cuckoo has left the clock.  He has NO chance of being President. I also vote (R) every time, in case you were wondering.

  • Anonymous

    Oh no, it’s a paradox because he also gets interviewed by ABC, Fox, NBC and CBS!

    Obviously since he’s interviewed by NBC, ABC and CBS he’s an Obama follower.

    But yet, he is interviewed by Fox News, so maybe he is just a secret agent for the right!

    But oh, he gets interviewed by Alex Jones, so he must be…. A DOUBLE SECRET AGENT!!!!

    Yay!   We’ve figured out the conspir….eh, we’ve figured it out.

    Well, I guess that is the case.  Unless by some odd random chance it turns out that being interviewed by someone doesn’t mean you agree with them about everything or something extremely bat sht crazy like that.

  • Anonymous

    Brian, I think that those who hide behind the “foreign policy” issue when fighting Ron Paul’s success need to have a backbone and tell the truth.  As Bill Clinton might have said… “it’s about Israel, stupid..” (not directing that at you brian).  It’s a don’t ask don’t tell game being played.. no one wants to openly say “Ron Paul makes me pee my pants because I don’t know how his foreign policy will effect Israel… so, I’m going to attack him and call him batshit crazy, an old fart, anything to make him go away!!” 

    WELL, that’s not good enough. Israel is our ally, but Israel also has responsibility for her own security. Even Netanyahu wants us to back off, so what’s up with all the wet pants?

    Ron Paul…end the corporate Oligarchy, end the religious Evangelical dictatorship hiding within the Republican party (neocons) , and preserve our freedom of religion in USA.

    Israel IS the issue..  perhaps the Israel-firsters’ kids need to be enlisted in the military to do their service on the West Bank.

  • Anonymous

    It’s like watching a British comedy show..   It’s so friggin ridiculous that even an idiot would question the validity of the media bozo asking the question.

    They are pissing their pants…

    Ron Paul… Wife Beater and POTUS  2012..

  • Anonymous

    Yup, I worry about Fascist-lite Neocons running a religious dictatorship inside the R party and I worry about the Marxist-lites nesting inside the D party. Alex Jones? No worries…  Alex Jones is like  broadcasting D-con to flush out all the vermin.

  • Anonymous

    So let me get this straight.

    You’d prefer “nutjobs” did not have the President on speed dial.

    But then you don’t mind continuing the “War on terror” that seems to be an endless war costing billions of dollars, it not a trillion every year?

    You don’t mind continue things like the Patriot Act, the passing of the recent NDAA, the SOPA and other losses of civil liberties?

    You don’t mind the corporatism of DC and the way the corporations buy regulations for themselves through lobbyists. 

    You don’t mind the rich being bailed out at the expense of the poor and middle class?     You don’t mind the Federal reserve loaning out $16 TRILLION dollars to private banks, corporations and foreign governments?  That’s our entire national debt almost.     Have you ever wondered if America is the richest country in the world, who is that is so rich at to loan America so much money?

    I personally find that rather odd.   Because it would seem to me that the reason why you wouldn’t a “nutjob” having the president on speed dial is because you would be worried that they might influence the president to:  fight endless wars, impose on the civil liberties of others, put the laws of this country up for sale on the black market, and scam the people out of their wealth.

    And what in the world is Alex Jones going to influence him to do that would be so bad?    Spend extra time making sure our civil liberties aren’t being taken?   Making sure the sovereignty of the country isn’t going to be undermined by outside influences?

    Alex Jones is a bit over the top for my tastes, and I dislike his fear based tactics as much as I do from the major media.   But give me a freaking break.

  • Anonymous

    It’s time for real people to decide… you in?

  • Anonymous

    I didn’t mind the question itself.  It’s more about the fact that the reporter already knew this, and that the reporter is only asking the question to put it into the minds of the people that he did.

    It’s an age old political tactic called “Make em deny it”.

    There is an old LBJ story about it.   In his first congressional race, he told his campaign manager to put out rumors that his opponent had sex with his farm animals.

    To which the campaign manger replied “Jeesh, Lyndon, nobody is gonna believe this!”.

    And LBJ says: “I know, I just want to hear the SOB deny it”.

    No idea if it’s actually a true story, but you get the point.

    They know he deal, anyone who pays attention knows the deal, but they just want to hear him deny it.

  • Anonymous

    I hope lots of well intentioned people vote for Ron Paul. I really do.
    It will do wonders for the nation as a whole.
    That’s what I am “in” for.

  • Anonymous

    Should you be allowed to say who comes in your house and property and who doesn’t? 

    Would it be against your freedom if the government up and decided that you must allow anyone who wants to come into your house come in? 

    A business is private property and as such carries the same rules as your house does.   That is their freedom to choose, no different than your right to choose who comes in your front door.

    When you create laws that FORCE people to do things, that is when you are infringing on their rights.     And while we can probably sit around and agree on how incredibly ignorant they are, the price of freedom is allowing your neighbors to have theirs, especially when you disagree with how they CHOOSE to use that freedom.

    Black people would be just as free to create black only restaurants or whatever, and so on.  They will suffer the consequences of that choice in the same manner one that only allowed white people would.    They suffer a loss in business, and give business to their opponents.

    For this reason, it was actually NOT a big problem in the south of business owners not allowing people.   But rather it was LAWS passed by the government that FORCED them to segregate.    They were Jim Crows LAWS, not Jim Crows list of things for private businesses to do because they are ignorant racists.

    And personally, I’d prefer the places I did visit and give my business to display their racial ignorance on the front door so I can support the businesses that aren’t run by ignorant racists. 

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul does think there was a coverup in places, he’s said that many times.   And that he was no opposed to an independent investigation etc.

    But he believes the cover ups were more a matter of covering up incompetence rather than a conspiracy by George Bush.    Since not a single person was held responsible for any mistakes that were made in our defense and national security.

    Not sure how much good such a thing would do all these years later, but I don’t see the harm in it, unless there is something to hide. 

  • Anonymous

    You ever heard of the Ollie North trials?

    They do have such plans, that is not a conspiracy and it’s not exactly secret.  

    To think the government is not prepared for extreme situations is kind of naive.

    Where people go off the deep end is when they claim the government is going to do it all on purpose. Which I suppose is possible, but extremely unlikely for a variety of reasons.

    At best, they would be doing some kind of preparation for a civil war. And that seems far fetched to me.

    At any rate, I don’t believe I’ve ever heard Ron Paul comment on that.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Bell/1682234735 Sean Bell

    That would be an interesting logical argument.  Would you mind if I came over and ate at your house?  I’m curious why is it that most businesses have the right to serve who they wish with exceptions required by Federal law.  I am not implying that any business should discriminate at all, but I also understand them not wanting a dude that hasn’t bathed in a month driving off customers.  Did Ron Paul have an issue with the Civil Rights Act telling state and local governments that they had no right to discriminate?  Nope, private property rights were his issue.  The government is incapable of making two people like each other, and believing they have the right to do it at the point of a gun is just as bad as what the states were doing to the minorities.

    As far as businesses today reverting back to 1950s era segregation because Paul got elected is a canard, since he was only pointing out his issues with it to raise awareness of property rights.  No business today with more than a single location would even attempt it. After they had been closed due to demonstrations for a month or so, they would change their minds or be bought out by someone more reasonable.  Being openly racist in today’s world as a businessman would be the perfect test of whether they understood business.  The only reason it worked then was because the police and the law were on the racists side.

    The government being our friend will go down as the most destructive Big Lie of the 20th Century.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Bell/1682234735 Sean Bell

    Sassan, you have almost become the anti-Paulbot.  You make post after post making wild claims and accusations.  The only ones you actually show much real interest in have to do with his foreign policy.  Seems the people who scream loudest about the innuendo stuff, are the ones that already didn’t like him for his political positions.  With the angle the press has been using on these stories, your hardly needed.  They have bigger bullhorns, but the same agenda.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Bell/1682234735 Sean Bell

    Eric Dondero and the Michelle Bachmann scandal have been jokes.  Not what they had to say, or that the news aired their statements, but by the way in which the information has been massaged.  None of the stories include even the basest information regarding the possible veracity of their claim, conflicts of interest, or possible motive to lie.  In politics, you don’t have to be guilty, you just need to have the press paint you as such.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Bell/1682234735 Sean Bell

    I believe the main reason to perform such an investigation would be to end rumors, and to set a precedent that we as a country can not afford for our leaders to keep their oops moments that affect us out of the public record.  If a president accidentally sharts himself, that he keep in his private diaries.  Be partially responsible, or look inept during a large loss of life and it must be in the public record.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Sean-Bell/1682234735 Sean Bell

    Excellent point, and again beside any kind of point.  Hitler was a fascist, which would be the opposite of Ron Paul.  This is ranting drivel.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1190134026 Barry Dalton

    Not a Jake Tapper fan by any means. He’s a supporter of pro-rich tax policy and thinks the Paul Ryan plan is courageous.

    But he did Ron Paul a service here. First he presented a quote from a Ron Paul associate. Ron Paul denied it, and Tapper moved on.

    Next, in the response about the Newsletter, Paul gave his best answer yet. I’m anti-Ron Paul. He’s dangerous for America on every front.

    But for the first time, I actually believed what he was saying about the newsletters. He was honest and showed regret and contrition.

    So, like a man, he’s saying we can judge him on the managment mistakes he made, but not use these mistakes to mischaracterize him as a racist.

    Now, if Obama had made a similar admission and a similar statement about the Courts being unfair to minorities, Ron Paul’s supporters would crucify him.

    And yet I now have a little bit more respect for Ron Paul than I did before.

    Why don’t you sycophants stop whining every time the media dares show a little balls when questioning your Messiah Ron Paul?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1190134026 Barry Dalton

    The question was not BS. It was a fair question.

    Stop encouraging rightwing self-victimhood.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1190134026 Barry Dalton

    “Name calling is the first sign of insecurity.”

    Could I get a source on that?

    And, are you saying that Ron Paul supporters never call names?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1190134026 Barry Dalton


    So what happened before those agencies?  FEMA is a disaster.  …. Why do you care about Israel?   Do you live there? ”

    Perfect example of why we can’t let you nuts run the country into the ground.

    That said, I don’t support the rightwing’s Holy War against Iran.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1190134026 Barry Dalton

    “Ron Paul 2012 or RIP…”
    I’ll take the latter. 

    Ron Paul would be the worst president in history.

    He’d just hand everything over to the whackjobs on these blogs and then later shrug and say he had no idea what you zealots were up to.

    He’s an Enabler of rightwing domestic terrorism.

  • Anonymous

    Is that you McCain? Have they been testing experimental Parkinsons drugs on you again?

  • Daniel Key

    Please don’t act like you don’t understand why people are tired of this…

    -He was ignored and marginalized for six months.

    The media either completely ignored him or when they did give him attention, he spends the entire interview trying to defend the reporters’ complete misunderstanding of his views and at the end he’s asked “are you going to run third party”?

    -In spite of this he STILL becomes first place in Iowa and then….

    “BREAKING NEWS!!!  RON PAUL IS A RACIST!!.”  These newsletters have been out for a decade, and were fully ventilated in the 2008 campaign, but it’s like the media just saved this stuff for the right time to use it.  Because of this, he’s now spent his entire time as the front runner saying “i’m not a racist, i’m not a truther, i’m not a homophobe, I’m not an anti-semite.”

     Can you at least admit that we’re at least somewhat justified for being a little annoyed?

  • Daniel Key

    I’m a hippy too…and I support Ron Paul.  If you look past the (D) after Obama’s name, you quickly see that he’s as (R) as they come.  Ron Paul aint a republican…he’s fighting for that simple life that involves the peace and love you want.

  • Daniel Key

    Wow…is this really that hard to comprehend?  When you’re anti-establishment, you’re going to draw anti-establishment people…some of them are actually moral, logical, thoughtful people, others are anti-establishment for completely illogical reasons.  This does not effect his message at all…and that message is liberty.  You’re free to be as psychotic and as hateful as you want as long as you don’t hurt anyone.  You’re also free to suggest that liberty enables domestic terrorism if you want. Do you know what else liberty enables?  ANYTHING UNDER THE F’ING SUN!

  • Anonymous

    Worse that Bush or Obama is that even possible? You do know that Dr. Paul has raised millions of dollars without having to hit up the fat cats on Wall Street like others. He’s raised millions in small donations from average voters. The reason he’s as far ahead in Iowa as he is, is that he is by far more organized than the other contenders. He’s not beholding to any special interest group with fat wallets. That just scares the “bejeebers” outta the business as usual establishment types in DC. The man is not influenced by anything but the constitution. The way the establishment has been slowly whittling away at our rights and impeeding our freedoms as of late, they can only see him as an obstacle. Perhaps you believe that we the people are not able to govern ourselves and need an overseer like the federal system in more aspects of our lives… historically you’re not alone as monarchies once thought the very same thing.

  • Daniel Key

    I wouldn’t really call it “associating” simply because he goes on their shows.  He’s a completely open guy and will go anywhere and spread his message to anyone who wants to hear it.

  • Daniel Key

    Alex Jones is really not that terrible of a person.  He’s a little wacko and off base some times, but if you actually knew anything about him you’d at least know that he loves America and wants to protect our liberties at all cost.  He also predicted that Bin Laden would attack WTC only a month or so before 9/11.  Youtube me if you don’t believe it.

  • Anonymous

    I’m a Jake Tapper ‘associate’ and I, like Jake, believe that reptilian overlords are infiltrating our schools to teach kids how to abort babies.
    See how easy it is to make stupid shit up? Why did they question the Ron Paul ‘associate’ instead of Ron Paul?

  • Anonymous

    Difference:  your house is not open to the public, nor would I suggest that it should be.  Most businesses, however, operate under the premise of being open to the public.

    Don’t want your business to be open to the public? Fine.  Charge a membership fee or have membership requirements and make it more of a private club.

    But in my view a business such as a grocery store or a restaurant should be open to all paying customers who wish to shop there.  Period. Full stop.

  • Anonymous

    People should be able to choose where they shop.  Period.   There should be no laws or policies that prevent that.

    Now, if no black people CHOOSE to shop at a white-owned restaurant, fine.   That’s the market at work.   But they shouldn’t be banned from shopping there.

    The issue is choice.  Everyone should have the right to choose where they live, eat, etc.

    All of that is different from a private residence because a private residence is not intended as a place of business.

  • Anonymous

    Hey, if you’re in favor of allowing businesses to discriminate, fine….just say so.

    You’re overlooking something really important here, however.

    You said  nobody today would even attempt such discrimination. What a fallacy.

    Just ask the people in Tennessee who tried to build a mosque on land that they had legally purchased.   Members of the town threw up every obscure legal roadblock they could find, vandalised their property, and made death threats…even though the people building the mosque had no record of criminal activity.

    So clearly, the era of such discrimination is NOT over.   Maybe it is for black people, but that kind of overt discrimination is still acceptable when it comes to Muslims.

    It is simply a shocking display of naivete when so many libertarians act like discrimination is “over” in this country….and it’s clearly the viewpoint of individuals who have never really faced serious discrimination.

  • Anonymous

    Follow up with what? There are no quotes of Paul ever saying that it was inside job. There are some Paul supporters who have latched on to him because he is the most vocal anti-war candidate.

    What Paul has said is that the government creates blowback with its policies. He has said that he thought the administration used 9/11 for what it alread wanted to do. That is a different thing than saying the government engineered a false flag operation.

  • Anonymous

    I think the establishment and its apologists (you?) are the danger. It’s not Paul’s ideas that have been in place.

    And no one should be paying an income tax. It’s a stupid way to tax. It came in at the same time as the Federal Reserve Act. They are both very bad ideas. We need to cut trillions. Then we can get rid of the income tax. An income tax is a tax on production. If you tax something, you will get less of it all else being equal.

  • Anonymous

    Sure, it was a fair question in that a fired former aide leveled the accusation. A lot of “inside job” people have latched on to Paul because he is the most vocal critic of wars, Patriot Act, police state, etc. These people are a little too paranoid for my taste, but at least they don’t trust government. There is no reason to.

  • Anonymous

    Perhaps you should change your name to Nut Rockhead. I’m sorry to have interrupted your thrice daily ritual of prostrating yourself on your government-issued prayer mat in the direction of D.C. By all means, carry on…

  • Anonymous

    Oh, did it get its feelings hurt? If you start with the name-calling, expect it in return.

  • Vinny Barreca

    I like Ron Paul! He is all about minimizing federal gov and going back to the original constitution. I don’t normally vote republican but if he makes it he has my vote. Plus he is a Military man and a doctor. Last time i checked our health care system was all messed up. Vote Ron Paul
    http://www.jokeofthedayblog.blogspot.com

  • Anonymous

    Kevin the Cons have left the Constitution. Ron Paul will win or Obama gets another term. Get on board or you lose again. Either way, Ron Paul supporters aren’t sell-out do anything say anything flip-floppers and will stick to him.

  • Anonymous

    What are you talking about? Discrimination is a part of life. Under our current ideology discrimination runs rampant. It’s not like you guys are doing any better of a job stopping discrimination. Look at the past 500 years and the government imposed discrimination. Now think about one person discriminating because they want to. Which is worse. The government discriminatiing or one man doing it? Under Libertarianism you can’t institutionalize discrimination like we do now.

  • Anonymous

    MBW you have no clue what a Libertarian is. And you forgot to mention Affirmative Action under your “Rascist Americans” rant.

  • Anonymous

    Where am I wrong about libertarianism??  Yes or no: Would discrimination be permitted under a libertarian system.  

  • Anonymous

    Don’t agree.  You take for granted that Americans of all races can shop, eat, and live wherever they choose as a paying customer.

    That wasn’t true in the past. 

    The government can’t control people’s thoughts…nor can it totally eliminate discrimination….but it can draw a line and say that, at least in public, you have to treat people equally.

  • Anonymous

    What you quoted is a real thing Chili

  • Anonymous

    Go back to getting your opinoin from Hannity and Dick Morris Jamgrae. Nothing you have said in any of your rants is true or factual.

  • Anonymous

    Ron Paul was on Foxnews Sunday 2 weeks ago and again this week. I guess he’s interviewed by Chris Wallace every other week too. Realist? Really?

  • Anonymous

    You conservatives need to get over the whole affirmative action thing.  You blow it way out of proportion and exaggerate what it actually is.

    1) Quotas are not legal in the United States.

    2) See this definition from Wikipedia:
    The term “affirmative action” was first used in the United States. It first appeared in Executive Order 10925, which was signed by President John F. Kennedy on March 6, 1961, and it was used to refer to measures to achieve non-discrimination. In 1965, President Lyndon B. Johnson issued Executive Order 11246 which required federal contractors to take “affirmative action” to hire without regard to race, religion and national origin. In 1968, gender was added to the anti-discrimination list.[2] 
    Nowhere in there does it say “you can’t hire white people”.  Or “you have to choose a less qualified candidate”

  • Anonymous

    Seriously, you conservatives need to get over the whole affirmative action thing.

    It only applies to government jobs (which, to most of you, are not considered legitimate jobs anyway).  

    In any case, it doesn’t mean that the govt MUST hire the minority…it simply means that they should try to hire minority candidates when possible.

    Anyone outside the government is not covered by affirmative action unless they voluntarily choose to give preference to minority candidates.

  • http://www.intoxination.net intoxination

    He got asked about it in press conferences, but why didn’t the media really push the issue? Because they KNEW it was a BS issue fueled by racism. The issue about things that Ron Paul wrote in the past, many of which were for profit, is a very serious issue. It’s called vetting and when it doesn’t happen, well you end up with a Sarah Palin.

    But I find what you say in closing interesting. What Ron Paul wrote about 24 years ago is apparently irrelevant to you. What do you feel about what Barack Obama wrote in his college papers 20+ years ago? Those are issues the right pushed on heavily in the 08 election and I’m sure will resurface this go around. 

    And on things like the NDAA, sure it is crap, but it did pass both chambers with a veto proof majority. If Ron Paul believes in the Constitution like he claims, then perhaps he should be reminded that the President doesn’t make laws – Congress does. Sure he could have broke out the veto pen, but it would still have become law. If he chose not to enforce it then he is in violation of the U.S. Constitution and the oath he would take when assuming office. 

  • Anonymous

    Either Ron Paul wins the nomination or Obama wins another term.

  • Anonymous

    It was vetted last election cycle and the MSM only asks the same questions over and over irregardless of the answer.

    Yet they don’t do that to the other candidates.

    MSM needs to take the answer, report it and move on.

    Ask questions like, how will you work to repeal the NDAA?
    How will you work to end the wars?
    How will you balance the budget?

    Ron Paul is the only candidate that has actually said he do these things, the rest, including Obama are for war, assassinations and deficit spending.

    Obama should have vetoed the NDAA in the face of an overriding vote.  Now he’s on record as being a Stalinist Neocon.

    A vote for Obama is a vote for the maiming of children.
    http://reason.com/blog/2011/12/22/little-girl-mutilated-by-obamas-drone-wa

    A vote for Obama is a vote for the assassination of children and US Citizens.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/world/documents/abdulrahman-al-awlaki-birth-certificate.html

    A vote for anyone other than Ron Paul is a vote for the continuation of Obama’s policies.

  • Anonymous

    The term “activist judges” cuts both ways…liberal and conservative.  Both sides are capable of twisting the meaning of the constitution to fit their political aims.

  • Anonymous

    That’s good news for us libs.  Paul will never get the nomination.

  • Anonymous

    I live in Texas and Rick Perry was completely embarrassed by the legislature overriding his plans to build the superhighway.  It wasn’t a conspiracy, it was a reality for a while.  Note the word was.

  • Anonymous

    Now you’re catching on.
    There isn’t a viable candidate on the GOP side.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rick-Shoaf/100000918279221 Rick Shoaf

    Wow..   time to get back on your meds Ellen. 

    “The people that make up the New World Order are media moguls, CEO’s and
    many others elitists. The coup d’etat is also the reason why the CEOs
    who ran in the last midterm didn’t get elected and why the republicans
    are taking over.

    You will not read about this in the media. Most of the media now has been forced to cooperate or have been paid to cooperate.”

    Which is it Ellen?  Is the media the ones in charge, or are they being forced to cooperate?

    “You couldn’t make this stuff up if you tried.”

    No..  but it appears that you can.

  • Anonymous

    Private Business.   Privately owned means privately owned, and dictating what people do on privately owned things is wrong.

    The issue is choice.    Choice for the private business owners.

    Black people should have the same rights and CHOICE as well as private business owners.

    But no, you want to FORCE things on business, and then pretend like it’s about freedom.

    Do you understand the difference between FORCING people do something, and CHOICE?

    At any rate, that business would suffer from such a choice, so it’s not like people are really going to do such things.   It’s hardly a big issue, but philosophically you are completely wrong.

    Yes, freedom means allowing people to do things even when you don’t agree with them.

  • Anonymous

    Well, you’ve clarified your position at least.  

    You support legalized discrimination in public places. 

    I don’t, and frankly I don’t care what names you want to call me for it.

    Libertarians support policies that allow people to infringe upon the freedom of others…the result of that is that only those who already hold power are able to be truly free.

    Unfortunately for folks like you, our current laws mean that you actually have to treat everyone with a basic level of dignity and respect if you want to run a business that’s open to the public.

    If somebody really doesn’t want to deal with the public, they also have the power to choose another profession that doesn’t require that.

    Likewise, they are free to start private clubs or to associate with whomever they choose….they just can’t discriminate against people in a public setting. And, for legal purposes, a business that is open to the public is considered a “public setting” even if it’s privately owned. Courts have upheld that for a long time.

  • Anonymous

    It’s pretty simple.

    If you don’t want to serve black people at a restaurant or a store…..go get a different job!

    There’s freedom for you…in this country we get to choose our profession. 

    If you don’t like serving all kinds of people, why would you choose a job that requires you to interact with the public all the time?

  • Anonymous

    Oh, so now that you’ve been backed into a wall, you are just going to sling poo at me.

    I think anyone who wouldn’t want to serve people because of race is ignorant, and that they would lose business rightfully as a result, to the point where no successful business would dream of doing such a thing.

    I do however recognize the rights of people and their right to choose who they serve with their private business.   This would also include the right for black people to choose not to serve white people, or whatever else they wanted.

    Because the fundamental price for freedom is to allow the freedom of others, especially when you disagree with them.

    The fact you’ve resorted to insults and assumptions, and tried to paint me as a racist for supporting the rights of others only goes to highlight you’ve lost the debate.

  • Anonymous

    Hey Barry, you’re probably ready to lock yourself in the closet over this Ron Paul thing. Give yourself a break and read the article by Glen Greenwald on Salon today, Jan.2…  It should give you something to think about if you truly want to be more aware than you currently are… especially regarding our King Obama.

  • Anonymous

    USS–  I don’t think I was insulting you and I don’t feel backed into a corner at all.

    Nothing I said was factually inaccurate.  If you support laws that allow people to discriminate in public places, then it only stands to reason that somebody will do it.  Such policies have practical, real-world implications…even if they sound good in theory.

    For some reason, many libertarians shy away from just admitting that and get very defensive.  

    I could accept your argument on some levels.  After all, why not let people serve whomever they choose, particularly since it would be a two-way street?….but the problem is that the various races in the country still are not equal.  So, if you pass a law that allows a group that is already dominant to discriminate, it only reinforces the inequality.

    Sure, the minority group would be free to discriminate too….but it’s still fundamentally unequal.  The idea of “separate but equal” is a myth and most people recognize that.  ”Separate but equal” did immeasurable harm as it pertains to education, for example.

    I don’t know you as a person, so I can’t say whether you’re a racist or not….but you clearly support policies that are sympathetic to people who are.  Such policies tacitly say “Racism is okay”.   To me, it’s not okay and it’s something that we should work to overcome, even if we all have had racist thoughts at one time or another.

    I realize that laws surrounding public accommodations are only one facet of libertarianism, but I think it’s a very important issue….and it’s one reason why I cannot be a libertarian (even though I agree with libertarians on many other things).

  • Anonymous

    Even with laws against segregation and discrimination in place, you still have the freedom to associate with whomever you choose.

    Nobody is forced to run a restaurant or a hotel…or any business that directly serves the public.  And nobody forces you to hang out with people you don’t like.

    You can easily choose an occupation that doesn’t require you to work with customers in a public setting.

  • Anonymous

    Yes what you said was factually incorrect.   I’m a programmer and don’t “serve” anyone in that manner, and if I did serve people, I wouldn’t care if they were black or otherwise.    You implied that my reason for being in favor of my stance was that I didn’t want to serve black people, which is ridiculous.

    Your basic argument is because of what you fear people will do with their freedom.

    As for not thinking the markets would handle the problem, if people are refused service, then it opens up the market for the people who aren’t racist.     So if you find such a situation, then go into business in the area and put the racist out of business.

    I would actually rather racist put their ignorance on the front door so I don’t support them financially.  Unfortunately, I don’t believe they will actually do it.

    And btw, you don’t have to be a minority to understand or have been discriminated against.   Much discrimination happens not based on race, but by “class” economically.   I am from the south and seen crosses being burnt when I was a kid and I currently live in Bay Area California, and the Bay area is the most racially segregated place I have ever lived in.

  • Anonymous

    It would be my choice not to discriminate or do anything other than what the law currently is.

    That isn’t the point.

  • Anonymous

    I’m willing to correct my syntax a bit.   I wasn’t intending to suggest that YOU as an individual don’t want to serve black people.  I was speaking hypothetically and should have said “if one doesn’t want to serve black people”.

    Continuing, however, you said “Your basic argument is because of what you fear people will do with their freedom. ”

    -Yes, you’re right.  But it’s not a baseless fear.   Prior to the Civil Rights Act, for example, businesses not only had the option to discriminate….many of them DID.  And in most cases there was little public backlash to stop them. In fact, whites who were sympathetic to black people were often scorned and turned into outcasts in the community.

    That’s why I don’t buy the “market will correct it” argument.

    That argument works in situations where there is some degree of balance between the groups.

    Let’s take black people out of the equation for a moment.

    Look at the example of the Muslim group who tried to build a mosque in TN.  They wanted to build it on land that they rightfully owned….but they were vastly outnumbered in their community.  Many members of the community put up endless legal roadblocks through lawsuits, vandalized their property, and made death threats……sadly, however, there was very little community support for the Muslims, so there was very little to stop the harassment.  Even many members of law enforcement were hostile to the Muslims.  Now, because the Muslim group has had to spend so much money to defend themselves and to argue their case in court, they don’t have the money to move forward on the construction.

    In such a case, where the minority group is so vastly outnumbered, where would the so-called “market forces” come from to counteract the discrimination??

  • http://www.intoxination.net intoxination

    So the media should take what any candidate says as gospel and be done with it? Wow that’s rather amazing.

    And how about Ron Paul’s legislation to put multi-billion dollar bounties on terrorists? Sure, let’s go vigilante on them and see what that does. I’m sure there would be plenty of innocents killed then too. 

    And “Obama’s policies”? Let’s not forget the fact that they are also a continuation of the Bush policies. 

    Ron Paul’s ideas are great in a fantasy world, but here in reality we do have to face that there is an enemy that wants to kill us – including our children.We have to face the fact that if we just up and leave Afghanistan it will be a repeat of the same mistakes in the late 80′s that helped turn it into a breeding ground for terrorism. In reality we have to fund our national defense and with a Congress that takes forever to pass the simplest of bills, a veto fight could have really undermined that defense. 

    Sorry but I will stick to reality instead of hoping for fantasy and getting a very rude awakening.

  • Anonymous

    Well at the end of the day, the discussion on this issue is mostly about philosophy, as nobody in large numbers wants to discriminate on the people.   

    And it’s not about black people, it’s about individual rights.    An individual does have the right to be wrong.

    In the case of the mosque in TN.  Obviously it’s their private property, so they should be able to build it.   But you are talking about something that is happening under the current system do not forget.

    The only thing that can fix such a thing is within the perception of the people themselves.   Advancements in Civil Rights have no come because of laws, but instead because of a change of heart in the people.    This change of heart can be seen over time in history, and there was of course a point where enough hearts change to start such movements to begin with.

    Where is the market?  In what you mention it’s not a problem of the market.   Now you are getting to where you do have a legitimate function of government.   And that is to protect those peoples rights.    If government is failing to do it’s job on such a basic and fundamental level, in what manner does creating more laws go towards solving the problem itself?

    Because there is an obvious difference.   These were people who wanted to do things with their private property and they were being denied that right.   Their right to put such things on their private property is of the same right where I say people have the right to be racist.  The price of freedom is to stand up and say yes that person has a right to do that, even when I disagree.   I’m not muslim, but it’s their right to be muslim.   I give them freedom, they give me freedom and we have no problems.

    Private property means just that.    It’s not about what my opinon on the topic is, it’s about what is their right, what is their freedom.    When they overstep that bound and try to infringe on the rights of others, then I become concerned, and that is when the government has not just a right, but a duty to step in.

  • Anonymous

    Quite clearly the way forward is to question RP in a court room environment, whence if he cracks the sh*ts, like he did in the Jake Tapper interview, he would get a warning from the bench, that contempt of court carries the same penalty as the case being decided, and that if his aggressive, non compliant attitude persisted, he will be hauled out and hanged!

    The President GW Bush saw the first strike, on the WTC North Tower,
    11 September 2001, on television in Florida, massive treason can be
    the only way that could happen .. there was no plane in Pennsylvania
    or at the Pentagon, where photographs show the vapor trail from a
    cruise missile.
    “Larry Silverstein, the lessor of the
    WTC on 9/11, got a phone call telling him not to show up to work, he
    called his daughter up and she never showed up either.” Rudkowski,
    Prison Planet.

    Hey there Honey get rid of them blues

    Daddy’s getting money you’ll be wearin’ new shoes

    Turn on the telly it’ll be on the news

    Stay at home today like the rest of the Jews

    Cause today were gonna blow… Woo Woo /

    Down the freakin buildings go Woo Woo /

    We collect the dough Woo Woo /

    Stay at home and watch the show… Woo Woo Woo Woodledoodledoo Rip it up Frank

    Hey Man you say that four thou were away

    That’s a lotta bodies at the end of the day

    This is the way I see it don’t wanna be crass

    There’s a whole lotta Jews thatta gotta get put on trial ///

    American Securities and Exchange Commission says Israeli citizens, sold
    short a list of 38 stocks that could reasonably be expected to fall
    in value as a result of the pending attacks. These
    speculators operated out of the Toronto, Canada and Frankfurt, Germany,
    stock exchanges and their profits were specifically stated to be in
    the hundreds of millions of dollars. Christopher Bollyn.

    Alon Pinkas, Israel’s consul general confirmed that three Israelis
    were killed in the 911 WTC attacks, two in the planes which crashed into
    the towers, and one who had been the WTC on business. UP

    It was via the buddy system on Odigo software, which allows one to
    communicate to a large group of people that share a trait, such as the
    Hebrew language, that thousands of Israelis were warned not to go to
    the twin towers on 9/11. RBN News

    Odigo and Mossad are based in Herzliya north of Tel Aviv,
    after 9/11 Odigo was taken over by Comverse Technology, another
    Israeli company, within a year five executives from Comverse were
    reported to have profited by more than $267 million from “insider
    trading.” Rumormillnews.

  • https://buelahman.wordpress.com/ Buelahman

    Well, except for the fact that he is an R. WTF is wrong with you people?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JVYFFUC6W3OZAWLL33I4SN5LTE Lynn Ertell

    Even Rashard Mendenhall knows a controlled demolition when he sees one.  Do the rest of us ?      Was the Empire wearing any clothes on 9/11 ?

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