Plain racism.

Why won’t our undocumented community organizer just release the damn thing and be done with all this “nonsense”?
Why does he spend millions fighting against it if he has nothing to hide?

“The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” ~ Obama

I will tell you who needs to get “investigated”, it is you little daughter for tax fraud. But coming from you, what would you expect. You are a parasite sucking on the trailer park trash.

Bwahahaha! Shocking, eh? What could be worse for the right wing wierdos? I mean McCain-Palin wasn’t bad enough? Could they possibly repeat that same sad nightmare? Palin-Trump or Trump-Palin? LMAO! You go kids!

What is with this leftist fascination with trailer parks?

Colorado_Conservative said:
Why won’t our undocumented community organizer just release the damn thing and be done with all this “nonsense”?
Why does he spend millions fighting against it if he has nothing to hide?

“The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” ~ Obama

been there done that worry about something important like which fool will lose in 2012 to the President.

I like that she called him “The Donald”…..

Palin/2012

There isn’t any “controversy”. It’s just the musing of idiots like Palin and the bagger brigade who didn’t vote for this President and still can’t get over the fact that he beat her and McGrumpy like 2 rented mules! Again, we Liberals love the birther thing because it confirms that you’re all still pissed which makes us very happy. Just wait until he crushes whatever GOP dolts ends up running against him and wins his second term. It’s going to be fun taunting the inbreds!

Only someone not of this country would eagerly try to ruin this country. Clearly, the scrutiny will increase–and it should–the more things Obamo does to undermine any economic recovery, divide the American people, and focus on the few at the expense of the many. Plus, the idiot is utterly aloof.

I say, let the screws tighten.

Again, her answer was shrewd. “I believe he was born in Hawaii,” she stated, citing the announcement of his birth in the paper.

That’s not shrewd, that’s just obvious.

Where are you getting your information? This President has actually created jobs. The last President lost 8 million of them. Try to come with the facts. It’s fine that you don’t like this President but, lying about his record is just ignorant.

roxsteady said:
Again, we Liberals love the birther thing

Nope. You really don’t. Nice try at rationalizing, though.

However, if you insist that we continue bludgeoning Obamo, we’ll be happy to oblige.

ChrisNH said:
Nope. You really don’t. Nice try at rationalizing, though.

However, if you insist that we continue bludgeoning Obamo, we’ll be happy to oblige.

just leave.

ChrisNH said:
Nope. You really don’t. Nice try at rationalizing, though. However, if you insist that we continue bludgeoning Obamo, we’ll be happy to oblige.

That’s because you’re clueless and don’t have anthing closely resembling facts! He’s the President and if you don’t like it, that just tough! There isn’t a damn thing you can do about it but cry!

Palin makes the libs get all wee weed up…..LOL

“That’s just tough” is what I meant to type. Your opinions don’t mean much. Most of you who defend Palin are just as ignornat and uneducated as she is. You call a former Harvard Law Professor an idiot yet, you think a middle aged woman with birth control issues who writes on her hand should be President?

roxsteady said:
Where are you getting your information? This President has actually created jobs. The last President lost 8 million of them. Try to come with the facts. It’s fine that you don’t like this President but, lying about his record is just ignorant.

yeah, he added a couple hundred thousand to the government payrolls and that’s about it.

Looks like they don’t want anyone else mentioning trailer parks, either.

idesign said:
Palin makes the libs get all wee weed up…..LOL

She doesnt’ even speak English! Hers is a language only fellow yokels can decipher.

Greta is fuming right now.

timzank said:
yeah, he added a couple hundred thousand to the government payrolls and that’s about it.

No, these were jobs added in the private sector. See, once again you don’t know what you’re talking about but, then, that’s typical of wingnuts!

Why are you lefties so afraid of a ligament birth certificate surfacing?

It is the law you know!

writer said:
Looks like they don’t want anyone else mentioning trailer parks, either.

Do they have trailer parks in Kenya?

Ohh, Trump/Palin 2012!

“I don’t think 9/11 was a government conspiracy, but some people do and good for them for trying to find out!”

If I didn’t know better, I’d think the left was stereotyping when they sneer at people who live in trailer parks. But that can’t be. The left is the caring and sensitive side. They’d never do that.

The repugs are getting mad in here…LOL LOL

Yawn, another trivial article on the Trump birther non-story. Maybe you could start running articles on Donald Trump’s hairpiece. Those would be more original than this tired rehashing of the same negligible issue in 50 stories that all cover the same ground.

lackdude said:
The DIMocras are getting mad in here…LOL LOL</

LOL

Take a look at this chart. This is what we Liberals call facts. Just like the President’s birth certificate that’s been available online since 2008. The refusal of morons to accept reality doesn’t mean it isn’t reality. He’s the President and no matter how many time syou trolls, crybabys and sore losers are told this, you just can’t deal with it.

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2011/04/01/chart-private-sector-job-growth-under-obama/

BatBoy said:
Why are you lefties so afraid of a ligament birth certificate surfacing?

Obama can’t drag himself in the mud with the mud throwing idiots. Only thing he’s afraid of is sinking to their level by actively denying an insane idea.

If lies were music Obama would be a 25 mile-long marching band.

Show everyone your Long Form Birth Certificate, Hussein!

He can’t! He has something he needs to keep hidden!

idesign said:

lame try again

HostileLogic said:
If lies were music Obama would be a 25 mile-long marching band.

Show everyone your Long Form Birth Certificate, Hussein!

He can’t! He has something he needs to keep hidden!

HA HA HA you have to live in this country. too bad it sucks to be you…LOL

Mediaite, you’re such a bunch of fucking clowns…. just pandering to the mouth-breathers that live in their parents basement with this non-stop “birther” /Trump crap. Let’s try some facts (something you’ll never see on this website in relation to this story):

Republican Governor Linda Lingle of Hawaii (as quoted by World Net Daily of all places) “It’s been an odd situation,” Lingle said, referring to the continuing controversy over the disputed natural-born citizenship of Obama. “This issue kept coming up so much in the campaign, and again I think it’s one of those issues that is simply a distraction from the more critical issues that are facing the country.

“So I had my health director, who is a physician by background, go personally view the birth certificate in the birth records of the Department of Health, and we issued a news release at that time saying that the president was, in fact, born at Kapi’olani Hospital in Honolulu, Hawaii. And that’s just a fact and yet people continue to call up and e-mail and want to make it an issue and I think it’s again a horrible distraction for the country by those people who continue this.”

Want more from Gail Collins rebut of Trumps reply in the Times (something you won’t see on Mediaite) –

Trump does not actually seem to have people studying, or even Googling. Still, he sounds very self-assured. This is because before he was a reality-show host, he was in the New York real estate business, a profession in which it is vital to be able to say imaginary things with total certainty. (“I have five other people who are begging me to sell them this property. Begging.”)

Let’s run over some of his arguments:

THE GRANDMOTHER STORY “His grandmother in Kenya stated, on tape, that he was born in Kenya and she was there to watch the birth,” Trump wrote. This goes back to a trans-Atlantic telephone call that was made in 2008 by Ron McRae, an Anabaptist bishop and birther, to Sarah Obama, the president’s 86-year-old stepgrandmother. He asked her, through an interpreter whether she was “present when he was born in Kenya.” The translator responded: “She says, yes, she was. She was present when Obama was born.”

It is at this point that some of the tapes floating around the Web stop, which means that the listener doesn’t get to hear the follow-up, which makes it very clear that Sarah Obama misunderstood. The full conversation ends with the interpreter saying, for the umpteenth time: “Hawaii. She says he was born in Hawaii. In the state of Hawaii, where his father, his father was learning there. The state of Hawaii.”

THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE If only Hawaii made its birth records public, and charged people a thousand dollars a pop to look at them, the state’s budget problems would be solved by the conspiracy theorists. However, it doesn’t. If you were born in Hawaii and request a copy of your birth certificate, you get a certification of live birth, which the federal government accepts for passports. Barack Obama requested his in 2007, and his campaign posted it on the Internet.

“A certificate of live birth is not even signed by anybody. I saw his. I read it very carefully. It doesn’t have a serial number. It doesn’t have a signature,” said Trump on “Today.”

The document has the stamped signature of the state registrar. The University of Pennsylvania’s FactCheck.org made a pilgrimage to the Obama campaign headquarters, examined the document, felt the seal, checked the serial number and reported that it looked fine.

THE EMPTY PHOTO ALBUM “Our current president came out of nowhere. Came out of nowhere,” Trump told the Conservative Political Action Conference to great applause. “In fact, I’ll go a step further. The people that went to school with him, they never saw him; they don’t know who he is. It’s crazy.”

This week on CNN, Suzanne Malveaux played Trump clips of Hawaiians reminiscing about the schoolchild Obama for a documentary the network had done on the president.

“Look, I didn’t say that … If he was 3 years old or 2 years old or 1 year old and people remember him, that’s irrelevant,” Trump responded. “You have to be born in this country.”

roxsteady said:
He’s the President

You mean the “illegitimate” President…Right!

felixw said:
Yawn, another trivial article on the Trump birther non-story. Maybe you could start running articles on Donald Trump’s hairpiece. Those would be more original than this tired rehashing of the same negligible issue in 50 stories that all cover the same ground.

It’s pretty funny, isn’t it?

Each story seems to convert another right wing nut here in favor of Trump.

roxsteady said:
Take a look at this chart. This is what we Liberals call facts. Just like the President’s birth certificate that’s been available online since 2008. The refusal of morons to accept reality doesn’t mean it isn’t reality. He’s the President and no matter how many time syou trolls, crybabys and sore losers are told this, you just can’t deal with it.

http://www.oliverwillis.com/2011/04/01/chart-private-sector-job-growth-under-obama/

You are forgetting something. Look at the chart again and look at when it became clear that Obama would win the election. That’s when the numbers reeeealy took a nosedive.

Also, we need many months of 500,000 jobs created/month. But Obama hates business so business is doing what they can to protect themselves.

Obama’s decision to keep thwarting our ability to supply ourselves with energy is going to keep hurting too. Gas prices are way up.

roxsteady said:
There isn’t any “controversy”. It’s just the musing of idiots like Palin and the bagger brigade who didn’t vote for this President and still can’t get over the fact that he beat her and McGrumpy like 2 rented mules! Again, we Liberals love the birther thing because it confirms that you’re all still pissed which makes us very happy. Just wait until he crushes whatever GOP dolts ends up running against him and wins his second term. It’s going to be fun taunting the inbreds!

you seem to have an amazingly short memory. Or is that just spin. The historic loss dealt to the liberal agenda in November 2010 will be repeated tenfold come November 2012. Regardless…

Raygun said:
Only thing he’s afraid of is sinking

He should not be afraid, he can’t sink much lower!

roxsteady said:
There isn’t a damn thing you can do about it but cry!

Well, Larry O’Donnell did that for me.

HostileLogic said:
If lies were music Obama would be a 25 mile-long marching band. Show everyone your Long Form Birth Certificate, Hussein! He can’t! He has something he needs to keep hidden!

He doesn’t have to show any of you his long form birth certificate. He’s the President of the United States and met those requirements already. Where have you been? Oh, that’s right. Licking your wounds.

some of y’all still mad you lord and savior glen beck is leaving.

ChrisNH said:
Well, Larry O’Donnell did that for me.

That had nothing to do with the President! What’s the matter? That chart I pasted in pissing you off? Wingnuts can’t stand it that Obama has already created more private sector jobs than Bush? Now, that was one stupid President. A real embarrassment to this country.

I’m going to go now. My work of bitch slapping the morons is complete!

roxsteady said:
He doesn’t have to show any of you his long form birth certificate. He’s the President of the United States and met those requirements already. Where have you been? Oh, that’s right. Licking your wounds.

I think rocks just woke up and thinks we are still in 2008. Yes, he WON and we all know that. After the past two years, and then last November, your blind faith in this administration and Obowmao is pure partisanship. Oh and you look very Anti-American sitting over there.

Let me be the first to say that even I’m bored with the birther stories.

ChrisNH said:
Well, Larry O’Donnell did that for me.

how goes it in the land of the free and undead?

roxsteady said:
I’m going to go now

Good.

I’m sure we’ll find you on your porch waiting for your next entitlement check,

catfishjuggling said:
Let me be the first to say that even I’m bored with the birther stories.

They are not birther stories see, its all in your attitude. It’s all about Obombagate and the most lawless and fraudulent administration in the history of this country. Feel better now. Keep on rocking the Libs…you give true conservatism such Teeth!!

ChrisNH said:
Good.

I’m sure we’ll find you on your porch waiting for your next entitlement check,

basement. Whever dad is at the bar or not watching porn on the desktop

Lou Sarah says:
April 9, 2011 at 11:03 pm  

Yawn……

Well with such a well thought out argunment like that, Screwauger, you have opened my eyes.

You’d think the former Governor would be a little more senstive to how horrible this stupidity is since there is a persistent group of people who refuse to believe that she is the actual mother of Trig. There are still lefties out there demanding that she produce his birth certificate.

Interesting parallel: She claims she has. She hasn’t.

(To be clear: both Obama birthers and Trig birthers are ignorant assholes).

Just a note, even Obama’s #1 fan Chris Matthews has wondered why he can’t produce his birth certificate?

Chris Matthews Asks Obama to Release Birth Certificate
12-28-2010Categorized in: Constitution, Law
33 922Email14.1KShare15.1KChris Matthews, the anchor of MSNBC’s “Hardball” program, is now calling for Barack Obama to release his original, long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate to put to rest any doubts about the president’s constitutional eligibility to hold office.

On last night’s edition of his show, Matthews stated: “I am not a birther. I am an enemy of the birthers.” But he continued with the questions, “Why doesn’t the president just say, ‘Send me a copy right now?’ Why doesn’t Gibbs and Axelrod say, ‘Let’s just get this crappy story dead?’ Why not do it? … If it exists, why not put it out?”

To date, there has not been one good answer to that very simple question.

Is there a bigger moron out there then this idiot? She can’t even put a sentence together that makes sense not to mention that stupid higher pitch or whatever the hell it is that she does when she is speaking. Oh but no worries because she is going to Liberty University in October for her big faith speech and then they send it on to about 1000 churches so that will just make up for her idiocy – and all the stupid, sorry sob’s that kiss her butt.

He’s a Brit, citizen.

catfishjuggling said:
Well with such a well thought out argunment like that, Screwauger, you have opened my eyes.

You’d think the former Governor would be a little more senstive to how horrible this stupidity is since there is a persistent group of people who refuse to believe that she is the actual mother of Trig. There are still lefties out there demanding that she produce his birth certificate.

Interesting parallel: She claims she has. She hasn’t.

(To be clear: both Obama birthers and Trig birthers are ignorant assholes).

Was an attempt at levity however, I forgot that Anti-American Liberal F*cks have no sense of humor. BTW, neither Sarah or her kids are leader of the free nation so your argument/comparison is ignorant, partisan in nature and all the more reason you and I won’t speak again. Asshole.

You get your own opinions. For example, I am an asshole. You’re welcome to believe that.

You don’t get your own facts. He produced a birth certificate. He was born in Hawaii.

The end.

As a liberal, I absolutely love birther talk. All the Obama team has to do is play some of these interviews. Thank you Republicans for helping us. Please keep it up. Also, please don’t forget to add the fact that he is a Muslim! In all honesty, I want to ask RATIONAL right wingers a question. I sincerely mean this. How do you feel when you hear SENIOR members of your party promote birtherism?

catfishjuggling said:
You get your own opinions. For example, I am an asshole. You’re welcome to believe that.

You don’t get your own facts. He never produced a birth certificate. Was he born in Hawaii?

To be continued……
.

Fixed it…..

screwauger said:
Was an attempt at levity however, I forgot that Anti-American Liberal F*cks have no sense of humor. BTW, neither Sarah or her kids are leader of the free nation so your argument/comparison is ignorant, partisan in nature and all the more reason you and I won’t speak again. Asshole.

Anti-American? This is coming from a member of the party that tried to shut down the federal government in order to stop women from having abortions? Please, don’t reproduce. I don’t think humanity can endure more inbred, illiterate, jesus-freak, teabagger/GOP pigs like you.

As I like to point out on every stupid birther thread.

OK.

He’s Kenyan.

Therefore, he has committed at least perjury in producing a fake certificate of live birth (that is one theory, no?) or outright treason in “pretending” to be eligible to be President sicne he wasn’t born here.

Okay.

You win.

Now what?

Why is there not one single prosecutor will the balls to charge him for the forgery? Or at least some form of illegal entry into the country? maybe they could deport him? Too scared?

Why has no one singe member of the House of Representatives drawn up Articles of Impeachment?

I mean for God’s sake: The fate of the Union is hand!! How about the rule of law?

But instead: crickets.

Why? Do they all hate America?

Or do they know that this is just bullshit meant to fire up you crazy people.

I think deep down in the cracks of your insane brains even you know the answer here.

James Randal said:
As a liberal, I absolutely love birther talk. All the Obama team has to do is play some of these interviews. Thank you Republicans for helping us. Please keep it up. Also, please don’t forget to add the fact that he is a Muslim! In all honesty, I want to ask RATIONAL right wingers a question. I sincerely mean this. How do you feel when you hear SENIOR members of your party promote birtherism?

I guess you don’t read very well….

Palin said she believes he was born in Hawaii, but There must be on it that he is trying to hide.

I love the sliding birther scale. It’s not that he wasn’t born there. It’s that he has something to hide.

You guys are great.

So what: it says he’s Muslim??? If you took two minutes to actually read “Dreams From My Father,” you’d see he isn;t hiding the fact that his father was a Muslim. Hell, his whole family is crawling with them. So what? He was a damned baby when he was born.

Governor Bobby Jindal was born a Hindu. He isn’t one now. You got a problem with that. Or is it just the D after Obama’s name?

There are plenty of really valid reasons to not vote for Obama. The stupid birther issue isn’t one.

The only thing anyone wants to hear from Crash’n'Bore Palin is her reaction to Bachmann taking her place. While Sarah sits, whines, and tries to drag out her game while Michele’s taking action.

catfishjuggling said:
There are plenty of really valid reasons to not vote for Obama. The stupid birther issue isn’t one.

Right – the best reason not to vote for Obama would be if Republicans get a candidate who’s more than a sideshow attraction.

@chris: I could not heart your post more.

Btw, I love that the response when I call out these yahoos is that I am a liberal. I have been saying for a while that I am behind Mitch Daniels for a while. I’m not voting for Obama. That doesn’t change the fact that the man was born in Hawaii.

Trump will never find Obama’s birth certificate, hell, Obama can’t even find it.

I actually think Obama does have his birth certificate, but there is some very incriminating information on it he doesn’t want known. Otherwise, why the big lawyer bucks he keeps shelling out to keep it hidden”

Like momma’s baby, daddy’s maybe. So, who’s your daddy Obama?

Yeah. Someone else is his dad on the birth certificate where they named him Barack Hussein Obama II. Real dad? Joe Smith.

That makes some sense.

Can Palin or Bachmann still run for president since they were born on a different planet?

For those who have said that Obama is shelling out money to keep something hidden on his birth certificate..please provide a valid URL (other than Fox News) to this information.
Thanks.

James Randal said:
I want to ask RATIONAL right wingers a question. I sincerely mean this. How do you feel when you hear SENIOR members of your party promote birtherism?

How do you feel after you call for the murder of everybody that is to the right on the political spectrum?

Ardiva said:
For those who have said that Obama is shelling out money to keep something hidden on his birth certificate..please provide a valid URL (other than Fox News) to this information.
Thanks.

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/05/06/challenge-barack-obama-birth-certificate-legal-expenses/

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James Randal said:
I want to ask RATIONAL right wingers a question. I sincerely mean this. How do you feel when you hear SENIOR members of your party promote birtherism?

How do you feel after you call for the murder of everybody that is to the right on the political spectrum?

Dude, that’s dodging the question. Palin taught you well.
Good luck trying to find a rational right winger. I’m still trying to get one to tell me why they think anyone’s afraid of Palin if they think she can fix everything that’s wrong in the world…

catfishjuggling said:
I love the sliding birther scale. It’s not that he wasn’t born there. It’s that he has something to hide.

You guys are great.

So what: it says he’s Muslim??? If you took two minutes to actually read “Dreams From My Father,” you’d see he isn;t hiding the fact that his father was a Muslim. Hell, his whole family is crawling with them. So what? He was a damned baby when he was born.

Governor Bobby Jindal was born a Hindu. He isn’t one now. You got a problem with that. Or is it just the D after Obama’s name?

There are plenty of really valid reasons to not vote for Obama. The stupid birther issue isn’t one.

Hindu’s aren’t running around beheading people. Can’t you tell the difference between these various groups?

As for Dreams, i’t s not clear that he even wrote it. Bill Ayers seems to be the likely person who wrote it.

As for the birth certificate, like a lot of issues, it’s now out of hand. If Obama had produced it YEARS ago, none of this stuff would have any traction. But Obama decided to hide it as he has done with many things from his past.

Simple… Obama is keeping his official birth certificate or his birth information under wraps. Obama is keeping almost all his university, legal and early years records under lock and key.
Can anyone explain to me why we don’t have this stuff, which is supposed to be run of the mill information?
The only reason you spend money to keep records sealed is because there is something in those records that is not good.
We already know tha Obama is a doofus… maybe he is a Muslim doofus.
Owing to the Obama butt kissing of the liberal media, we never did find out what is in all those documents from law school…. maybe some really Marxist leaning ideas? Could he be a Marxist doofus?
He is a black liberation theology doofus and a pretend intelligent doofus… how much further could it go?

Man Alz, it is hard to hide the crazy sometime isn’t it.

Oh, I’m sorry I am mocking you. You see, I have Saul Alinsky’s rules burned in my brain.

Boo!

Hindu.

Calling for beheadins.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/2009/03/varun-gandhi-vows-to-cut-heads.html

He did produce it years ago. You just live in an alternate reality wherein you’re convinced it isn’t real.

@jamesphillip:

Obama didn’t release his college records. He should have.

Bush did.
Gore did.
Kerry did.

McCain didn’t either. What do you think he was trying to hide? I mean he was born in Panama, which is close to Columbia. Maybe he harbors some sort of pro-FARC agenda. Why haven’t we seen his records.

To be clear: Obama should release his transcripts. But make sure to throw a fit in the Republican nominee also doesn’t.

catfishjuggling said:
So what: it says he’s Muslim??? If you took two minutes to actually read “Dreams From My Father,” you’d see he isn;t hiding the fact that his father was a Muslim. Hell, his whole family is crawling with them. So what? He was a damned baby when he was born.

Doesn’t matter to Muslims. To them, Obama is a heretic of the worst kind.

@Calvin: So wait. Now he ISN’T a Muslim for Muslims.

Jesus freaking monkey christ.

I quit.

You guys win.

You can have this stupid place.

catfishjuggling said:
@Calvin: So wait. Now he ISN’T a Muslim for Muslims.

I believe he does go to church, not a mosque.

Who gives a shit what Obama got in Econ101?

Alz said:
As for Dreams, i’t s not clear that he even wrote it. Bill Ayers seems to be the likely person who wrote it.

LOL You guys are crackpots. What are you basing that on (other than Rush Limbaugh, Beck, and WND)??

catfishjuggling said:
Jesus freaking monkey christ.
I quit.
You guys win.
You can have this stupid place.

What’s wrong with you?

I was just pointing out that some Muslims would regard him has a heretic of the worst kind. Gaddafi may think of Obama as a Muslim, as others may, but some would regard him as a traitor (because they see he’s not a practicing Muslim anymore). And then there’s the Muslims who don’t care that he’s not a Muslim anymore. They don’t all fit into one neat little group.

Calvin said:
but some would regard him as a traitor (because they see he’s not a practicing Muslim anymore).

When did he ever practice Muslim?

You know the end is near when someone has to toss Palin the birther issue to keep her from drowning – her “don’t retreat” tweet (hoping for a government shutdown) went over like a lead balloon.

the real john t said:
When did he ever practice Muslim?

I don’t know if he ever practiced, but he was born a Muslim.

Recent polls have shown Trump running second among potential Republican primary voters.
Many of the major GOP pundits have cheered him on.
Fox does a story or two on him daily.

Yet the teabloggers still blame the MSM media for over-hyping him. lol

mibwilso said:
LOL You guys are crackpots. What are you basing that on (other than Rush Limbaugh, Beck, and WND)??

Jack Cashill’s work: http://www.cashill.com/natl_general/did_bill_ayers_write_1.htm
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/evidence_mounts_ayers_cowrote.html

Also, Ayers admitted it to a Chicago blogger http://backyardconservative.blogspot.com/2009/10/bill-ayers-no-dream.html

Alz said:
Also, Ayers admitted it to a Chicago blogger http://backyardconservative.blogspot.com/2009/10/bill-ayers-no-dream.html

Did you actually read that article? It read like Ayers was being sarcastic to the idiot.

catfishjuggling said:
Man Alz, it is hard to hide the crazy sometime isn’t it.

Oh, I’m sorry I am mocking you. You see, I have Saul Alinsky’s rules burned in my brain.

Boo!

Hindu.

Calling for beheadins.

http://blog.beliefnet.com/cityofbrass/2009/03/varun-gandhi-vows-to-cut-heads.html

He did produce it years ago. You just live in an alternate reality wherein you’re convinced it isn’t real.

See http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/

It’s just a study watching liberals in conniptions desperately trying to make Islam look normal and peaceful with such massive evidence that you are wrong.

the real john t said:
Did you actually read that article? It read like Ayers was being sarcastic to the idiot.

Why do you think she is an idiot? It’s just one more data point.

Cashill’s work is very interesting: From his web page.

“Prior to 1990, when Barack Obama contracted to write Dreams From My Father, he had written very close to nothing.”

“As an undergraduate, Obama had written what he justifiably calls some ‘very bad poetry.’ He published nothing under his own name in The Harvard Law Review, where he served as an editor and as president. And after leaving Harvard, he published nothing in its review or in any law journal.”

“Then, in 1995, this untested 33 year-old produced what Time Magazine has called–with a straight face– ‘the best-written memoir ever produced by an American politician.’”

“The public is asked to believe Obama wrote this on his own. ”

It’s unlikely that Obama wrote the book.

Cashill?

Yeah, there’s a serious guy.

Here is his latest genius theory:

Is Barack Obama actually not in this photo of Barack Obama?

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/04/07/birther_photoshop_fail/index.html

Far and away the best part is that the “real photo” has something pretty important in it. Obama’s knee.

As Parneene brilliantly points out:

What was Barack Obama’s knee doing in New York, while the rest of him was in Pakistan, and Indonesia? Dealing drugs? Why are mainstream journalists afraid to ask tough questions about the president’s detachable knee? The people have a right to know!

You crazy people really have no irony detector.

You know in the rational world Obama may just be a normal dude who got elected and is doing a bad job as President. It doesn’t need to be a big conspiracy.

Alz said:
Why do you think she is an idiot? It’s just one more data point.

You’ve got to quit believing everything you read in those RW sites. It makes you look foolish.

@Alz: I am a freaking athiest. I think Islam is a silly made up set of beliefs. Just like Hinduism. Just like Christianity.

Where I can’t play with you nutsos is the way you bash it. The idea is to bash such that you make Christianity look great. You spend all your time trying to scare other scared people with the bogeyman of Islam. Despite the fact that there are over a billion Muslims on the planet from very diverse and different cultures who aren’t trying to blow everyone up. And there are a group of them from very diverse, different cultires who are trying to kill other people for different reasons. There is no single Islam. I refuse to paint all people with a broad stroke. Just like the fact that you are a crazy person does not mean that the Republicans are. I can see the difference.

I don’t want to live under Islam either. I also don’t want to live in yoru nutcase world.

You liberals are deflecting. Any number of people could write this:

“Prior to 1990, when Barack Obama contracted to write Dreams From My Father, he had written very close to nothing.”

“As an undergraduate, Obama had written what he justifiably calls some ‘very bad poetry.’ He published nothing under his own name in The Harvard Law Review, where he served as an editor and as president. And after leaving Harvard, he published nothing in its review or in any law journal.”

“Then, in 1995, this untested 33 year-old produced what Time Magazine has called–with a straight face– ‘the best-written memoir ever produced by an American politician.’”

“The public is asked to believe Obama wrote this on his own.”

In other words, it stands on its own and we should wonder about Obama.

There are far too many liberals that care too deeply about defending the birth certificate issue.

In legalese, it’s as simple as producing said item. Therefore, I would like Obama to produce all forms of documentation. This would solve any problem. :)

catfishjuggling said:
@Alz: I am a freaking athiest. I think Islam is a silly made up set of beliefs. Just like Hinduism. Just like Christianity.

Where I can’t play with you nutsos is the way you bash it. The idea is to bash such that you make Christianity look great. You spend all your time trying to scare other scared people with the bogeyman of Islam. Despite the fact that there are over a billion Muslims on the planet from very diverse and different cultures who aren’t trying to blow everyone up. And there are a group of them from very diverse, different cultires who are trying to kill other people for different reasons. There is no single Islam. I refuse to paint all people with a broad stroke. Just like the fact that you are a crazy person does not mean that the Republicans are. I can see the difference.

I don’t want to live under Islam either. I also don’t want to live in yoru nutcase world.

Islam is out there to make you submit to the religion. That’s what it is about. Your position is understood, but too many liberals bend over backwards ignoring the problems with Islam. At the same time they pull this “moral equivalence” about Islam and I think more people should know what the liberals are up to.

catfishjuggling said:
@Alz: I am a freaking athiest. I think Islam is a silly made up set of beliefs. Just like Hinduism. Just like Christianity.

Where I can’t play with you nutsos is the way you bash it. The idea is to bash such that you make Christianity look great. You spend all your time trying to scare other scared people with the bogeyman of Islam. Despite the fact that there are over a billion Muslims on the planet from very diverse and different cultures who aren’t trying to blow everyone up. And there are a group of them from very diverse, different cultires who are trying to kill other people for different reasons. There is no single Islam. I refuse to paint all people with a broad stroke. Just like the fact that you are a crazy person does not mean that the Republicans are. I can see the difference.

I don’t want to live under Islam either. I also don’t want to live in yoru nutcase world.

I don’t think there’s an easy way to bash murder or the harsh treatment of women.

Calvin said:
I don’t know if he ever practiced, but he was born a Muslim.

That is idiotic. There is no Muslim gene.

Gasket said:
That is idiotic. There is no Muslim gene.

From my understanding and perhaps Alz knows more about this topic, but I’ve heard that if your father is a practicing Muslim, then by “custom” the son/daughter is considered Muslim.

Oh Jesus.

I really do quit.

catfishjuggling said:
Oh Jesus.

I really do quit.

No need to quote someone that you don’t believe exists.

Besides, quitting is a normal liberal quality. You fit the profile quite accurately.

WCinWI said:
Besides, quitting is a normal liberal quality.

I didn’t know Palin was a liberal.

timzank said:
yeah, he added a couple hundred thousand to the government payrolls and that’s about it.

ROFLMAO. 13 straight months of PRIVATE SECTOR job growth!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/01/private-sector-leads-way-economy-adds-216000-jobs-march/

WC. You just called the former Governor of Alaska a liberal then.

Go back in your hole.

I am done playing now.

catfishjuggling said:
WC. You just called the former Governor of Alaska a liberal then.

Go back in your hole.

I am done playing now.

Good, take “gasket” the stoner w/you.

WCinWI said:
From my understanding and perhaps Alz knows more about this topic, but I’ve heard that if your father is a practicing Muslim, then by “custom” the son/daughter is considered Muslim.

This is my understanding too.

WCinWI said:
From my understanding and perhaps Alz knows more about this topic, but I’ve heard that if your father is a practicing Muslim, then by “custom” the son/daughter is considered Muslim.

You do not inherit religion. I’m an agnostic and I’m arguing this from a rational perspective. It’s a learned trait. I do not even consider really young children to be of a certain religion even if their parents are. You have to have some understanding of religion to get a particular religious label. The only thing you inherit are genes.

WCinWI said:
No need to quote someone that you don’t believe exists.

Besides, quitting is a normal liberal quality. You fit the profile quite accurately.

Palin is not a liberal.

Calvin said:
This is my understanding too.

Mine too.

catfishjuggling said:
WC. You just called the former Governor of Alaska a liberal then.

Go back in your hole.

I am done playing now.

Are you going to really try to play the resignation game? Don’t go there. It’s far too easy to disprove.

Now heed your own advice and just give up.

WCinWI said:
From my understanding and perhaps Alz knows more about this topic

OH yes, everything he knows comes off some radical RW site.

I find it odd that a person such as “gasket” defends a religion he knows nothing about.

the real john t said:
OH yes, everything he knows comes off some radical RW site.

Home from the bar so soon?

Keep digging Trump. Let us know when you find that “birth certificate.” Here’s an idea Trump, put up a bounty with your own money, say $10million dollars for someone to produce another Obama birth certificate. LOL. He sure as heck can do it. You think opposition researchers would not have produced something in the past 3 years?

Gasket said:
You do not inherit religion. I’m an agnostic and I’m arguing this from a rational perspective. It’s a learned trait. I do not even consider really young children to be of a certain religion even if their parents are. You have to have some understanding of religion to get a particular religious label. The only thing you inherit are genes.

Somebody better tell the New York Times.

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood.

Gasket said:
You do not inherit religion. I’m an agnostic and I’m arguing this from a rational perspective. It’s a learned trait. I do not even consider really young children to be of a certain religion even if their parents are. You have to have some understanding of religion to get a particular religious label. The only thing you inherit are genes.

Palin is not a liberal.

Then if you’re agnostic, don’t comment about Muslim religion. I don’t claim to know Muslim faith, but what I stated has been said over and over. I believe Obama’s father was a practicing Muslim. By Muslim faith, that means by proxy that Obama is a Muslim. At least he was at birth. What he is now, I have no clue. With all of the church nonsense, I tend to believe/think that Obama’s an agnostic while in office and who knows what he’ll be outside of office.

the real john t said:
OH yes, everything he knows comes off some radical RW site.

LOL. This birtherism deal is so awesome. It’s the teabagger crazy tax for the GOP candidates next year.

Gasket said:
Keep digging Trump. Let us know when you find that “birth certificate.” Here’s an idea Trump, put up a bounty with your own money, say $10million dollars for someone to produce another Obama birth certificate. LOL. He sure as heck can do it. You think opposition researchers would not have produced something in the past 3 years?

Someone wouldn’t have to produce another birth certificate. Merely the original.

I think the issue is hilarious.

Explain to me this logic. IF Obama produced his birth certificate, why spend all of the money to keep it quiet? Where’s the logic in that? There is none.

Gasket said:
LOL. This birtherism deal is so awesome. It’s the teabagger crazy tax for the GOP candidates next year.

Last I checked, we didn’t have any GOP candidates that believed in birtherism. Would you like to tell me who those candidates might be?

Trump won’t be a candidate.

So who else? Last I checked, there were two candidates, Ron Paul and Tim Pawlenty. Both aren’t birthers if I understand it correctly. So please explain this to me.

Gasket said:
LOL. This birtherism deal is so awesome. It’s the teabagger crazy tax for the GOP candidates next year.

The RWers take conspiracy theories to an all new high.

WCinWI said:
Last I checked, we didn’t have any GOP candidates that believed in birtherism. Would you like to tell me who those candidates might be?

Trump won’t be a candidate.

So who else? Last I checked, there were two candidates, Ron Paul and Tim Pawlenty. Both aren’t birthers if I understand it correctly. So please explain this to me.

“gasket” lost the muzzy debate so now he’s just babbling.

Calvin said:
Somebody better tell the New York Times.

I know about that and that is why I stated my position earlier.

This is what you don’t get. Islamic law does not define the individual Obama. Obama himself does. Religious inheritance is a vacuous meme that no rational intelligent person can use to argue about religious identity. Only demagogues do.

catfishjuggling said:
Yeah. Someone else is his dad on the birth certificate where they named him Barack Hussein Obama II. Real dad? Joe Smith.

That makes some sense.

Just keeps getting better doesn’t it? I laugh so hard my sides hurt!

Gasket said:
I know about that and that is why I stated my position earlier.

This is what you don’t get. Islamic law does not define the individual Obama. Obama himself does. Religious inheritance is a vacuous meme that no rational intelligent person can use to argue about religious identity. Only demagogues do.

Move the goal posts much?

Ardiva said:
For those who have said that Obama is shelling out money to keep something hidden on his birth certificate..please provide a valid URL (other than Fox News) to this information.
Thanks.

I’ve been asking and waiting to see this for years.

Ardiva said:
For those who have said that Obama is shelling out money to keep something hidden on his birth certificate..please provide a valid URL (other than Fox News) to this information.
Thanks.

————–

ROFL!

Jaurez said:
“gasket” lost the muzzy debate so now he’s just babbling.

That tends to happen when you base your statements off of assumptions, rather than facts or just pure logic.

What Trump did is make the issue about why Obama would spend $2 million so far on keeping things muzzled.

Logic says that if you initially produced an item and you were questioned about said item at a later date in a court proceeding then the simplest thing to do would be to produce said documentation. Even if that’s a photocopy version. Case closed. However, if court proceeding does not produce any form of documentation, someone’s hand has been in the cookie jar and someone needs to find the trail of crumbs.

It’s amazing what logical thinking can produce. :)

Gasket said:
I know about that and that is why I stated my position earlier.

This is what you don’t get. Islamic law does not define the individual Obama. Obama himself does. Religious inheritance is a vacuous meme that no rational intelligent person can use to argue about religious identity. Only demagogues do.

You pretty much just made no sense.

You don’t get religion. So drop it. Simple as that.

WCinWI said:
Then if you’re agnostic, don’t comment about Muslim religion. I don’t claim to know Muslim faith, but what I stated has been said over and over. I believe Obama’s father was a practicing Muslim. By Muslim faith, that means by proxy that Obama is a Muslim. At least he was at birth. What he is now, I have no clue. With all of the church nonsense, I tend to believe/think that Obama’s an agnostic while in office and who knows what he’ll be outside of office.

That’s obtuse reasoning. My being agnostic does not mean I am clueless about religion. As a matter of fact, atheists and agnostics on average are more versed in religion that religious people. My parents are staunch Christians. I know alot about the faith. I also had formal education both in Christianity and Islam in school. Also lived around Muslims (my best friend in HS was a practising Muslim) so I do have intimate knowledge about what they do. I do know what I’m talking about. You can not be Muslim 9or any religion) by proxy. That is nonsense and hogwash.

WCinWI said:
Last I checked, we didn’t have any GOP candidates that believed in birtherism. Would you like to tell me who those candidates might be?

Trump won’t be a candidate.

So who else? Last I checked, there were two candidates, Ron Paul and Tim Pawlenty. Both aren’t birthers if I understand it correctly. So please explain this to me.

Actually only a couple or two have come out and categorically said birtherism is nonsense. Tim Pawlenty is one. Others use coded language by giving useless disclaimers to make them appear reasonable. Palin, if not a birther would have said this (what Trump is doing) is a useless exercise. She does the exact opposite, throws a bone to the birther base by egging Trump on. Can’t have it both ways.

Gasket said:
I know about that and that is why I stated my position earlier.

Your position:

Calvin said:
I don’t know if he ever practiced, but he was born a Muslim.

Gasket said:
That is idiotic. There is no Muslim gene.

So were you saying I was wrong (or idiotic), or denouncing Islamic law as idiotic?

Have you not read my comments? I’ve been saying Obama is not a Muslim (he’s a Christian) but he was born a Muslim. I said that some Muslims consider him to be a Muslim still (like Gaddafi) while others recognize that he is a not a Muslim and consider him a traitor because he was born a Muslim, making him hated more than you or me. And then there’s the Muslims who don’t care that he’s not a Muslim.

WCinWI said:
You pretty much just made no sense.

You don’t get religion. So drop it. Simple as that.

I make no sense? You drones are saying someone can inherit religion. That is biologically and rationally impossible. Get a clue.

“my best friend in HS was a practising Muslim”

Yea, I’m John Wayne.

Calvin said:
Your position:

Calvin said:
I don’t know if he ever practiced, but he was born a Muslim.

So were you saying I was wrong (or idiotic), or denouncing Islamic law as idiotic?

I said you were wrong because the Islamic concept is idiotic and rationally incompatible with what we know about religion. You can not be born with a religious identity. I do not use religion to corroborate logic. You are doing that.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/31/obama-campaign-reportedly-amasses-big-legal-fees/

So what would lawyers need to be defending?

mibwilso said:
LOL You guys are crackpots. What are you basing that on (other than Rush Limbaugh, Beck, and WND)??

Ayers said it on tape just to mess with them …. and they bought it hook line sinker.

Calvin said:
I said that some Muslims consider him to be a Muslim still (like Gaddafi) while others recognize that he is a not a Muslim and consider him a traitor because he was born a Muslim

and left the faith.

Calvin said:
Have you not read my comments? I’ve been saying Obama is not a Muslim (he’s a Christian) but he was born a Muslim. I said that some Muslims consider him to be a Muslim still (like Gaddafi) while others recognize that he is a not a Muslim and consider him a traitor because he was born a Muslim, making him hated more than you or me. And then there’s the Muslims who don’t care that he’s not a Muslim.

I haven’t read all your statements in this thread. I responded to something specific. You can not support a specious claim by using something illogical as evidence. It does not matter whether that statement has a religious following.

It’s like me saying that US soldiers in Iraq are really just dying because America is immoral and supporting that statement by saying that the Westboro Baptist Church believes so. Do you get my point? It’s illogical. Calvin, you are a reasonable person so I try to avoid ad hominem while debating you.

WCinWI said:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/31/obama-campaign-reportedly-amasses-big-legal-fees/

So what would lawyers need to be defending?

Who says they are? Every presidential candidate has lawyers on retainer. The “spent millions of dollars hiding the BC” is a meme parroted by the rightwingers.

Geez…I just read your link after making my post and it pretty much answered your question. SIGH.

Calvin said:
and left the faith.

He never had the faith of a Muslim, so how could he leave it?

Gasket said:
That’s obtuse reasoning. My being agnostic does not mean I am clueless about religion. As a matter of fact, atheists and agnostics on average are more versed in religion that religious people. My parents are staunch Christians. I know alot about the faith. I also had formal education both in Christianity and Islam in school. Also lived around Muslims (my best friend in HS was a practising Muslim) so I do have intimate knowledge about what they do. I do know what I’m talking about. You can not be Muslim 9or any religion) by proxy. That is nonsense and hogwash.

Actually only a couple or two have come out and categorically said birtherism is nonsense. Tim Pawlenty is one. Others use coded language by giving useless disclaimers to make them appear reasonable. Palin, if not a birther would have said this (what Trump is doing) is a useless exercise. She does the exact opposite, throws a bone to the birther base by egging Trump on. Can’t have it both ways.

It’s really simple. Produce the actual birth certificate and poof! Crisis averted. And if that’s too specific for ya, I’d like to see all of Obama’s government documentation – schooling, birth, hospital records, etc.. Why have we not seen any of this stuff?

Christianity is a collection of all faiths. Christianity is not A faith.

http://www.islam101.com/dawah/newBorn.htm

So, just as the child submits to the physical laws which Allah has put in nature, his soul also submits naturally to the fact that Allah is his Lord and Creator. But, his parents try to make him follow their own way and the child is not strong enough in the early stages of his life to resist or oppose the will of his parents. The religion which the child follows at this stage is one of custom and upbringing and Allah does not hold him to account or punish him for this religion.

Calvin said:
and left the faith.

I get what you’re saying. Essentially, when Obama was born, based on his father, he was a Muslim. Then we don’t know how his family raised him. Many people think that he would be agnostic because his mother was agnostic. I think in puberty, people of Muslim faith sincerely hold onto that belief or have moved in a new faith direction. People want to separate the fact that he could have been two religions in his young years.

WCinWI said:
That tends to happen when you base your statements off of assumptions, rather than facts or just pure logic.

What Trump did is make the issue about why Obama would spend $2 million so far on keeping things muzzled.

Logic says that if you initially produced an item and you were questioned about said item at a later date in a court proceeding then the simplest thing to do would be to produce said documentation. Even if that’s a photocopy version. Case closed. However, if court proceeding does not produce any form of documentation, someone’s hand has been in the cookie jar and someone needs to find the trail of crumbs.

It’s amazing what logical thinking can produce. :)

Logical thinking?

You obviously didn’t use it here.

WCinWI said:
That tends to happen when you base your statements off of assumptions, rather than facts or just pure logic

Really? What exactly did you just do here? You ASS U MEd that Obama’s lawyer fees were solely for hiding his birth certificate. It’s a false premise, then you provide the evidence to support it.

LOL.

Gasket, what I said is exactly what the NYT said. I know it doesn’t matter to you or me that Obama is considered to be born a Muslim by Muslims, but it matters to them. Again from the NYT:

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

With few exceptions, the jurists of all Sunni and Shiite schools prescribe execution for all adults who leave the faith not under duress; the recommended punishment is beheading at the hands of a cleric, although in recent years there have been both stonings and hangings. (Some may point to cases in which lesser punishments were ordered — as with some Egyptian intellectuals who have been punished for writings that were construed as apostasy — but those were really instances of supposed heresy, not explicitly declared apostasy as in Senator Obama’s case.)

This has been my point. accoring to Islamic law, Obama was born a Muslim. This has no relevance to you or me, but it has relevance for Muslims. Radical Muslims consider Obama to be a traitorous Muslim. Am I wrong (along with NYT)?

the real john t said:
He never had the faith of a Muslim, so how could he leave it?

It’s called having dual faiths at birth. Or dual where he’s only Muslim and agnostic. That’s how it works. I’ve seen it explained on multiple sites. Don’t get mad at people when they think that a particular faith has a harsh rhetoric/vibe to it.

Gasket said:
Logical thinking?

You obviously didn’t use it here.

Really? What exactly did you just do here? You ASS U MEd that Obama’s lawyer fees were solely for hiding his birth certificate. It’s a false premise, then you provide the evidence to support it.

LOL.

Stop digging that hole gasket. Just stop.

I don’t assume anything. Other than the fact that you don’t know a darned thing about religion. :)

Boy this Allah sounds like a real jerk.

Kinda like this guy:

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,

the real john t said:
He never had the faith of a Muslim, so how could he leave it?

Tell that to the extremists. They consider him to be a traitorous Muslim. It doesn’t matter whether he spent every spare second in a mosque during his childhood or not. To them, he is a heretic.

catfishjuggling said:
Boy this Allah sounds like a real jerk.

Kinda like this guy:

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,

Apparently you’re a liar. Saying that you’ll leave and then stay.

Gotta love when someone tries to attack religion with another religion. Oy vey.

WCinWI said:
What Trump did is make the issue about why Obama would spend $2 million so far on keeping things muzzled.

For 3 years now the right has been saying $2 million so far. There must be a time warp.

Night all. I care far too much about watching Paul Ryan on MTP in the morning to continue this debate that is already held in fact. Enjoy Paul Ryan tomorrow y’all. It’ll put everything into perspective. :)

WCinWI said:
It’s called having dual faiths at birth.

Could you please explain how someone can have FAITH in a religion when they are born? That’s pure BS.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
For 3 years now the right has been saying $2 million so far. There must be a time warp.

I really don’t care the amount. The fact that any amount is paid in defense of it at all says enough.

catfishjuggling said:
Boy this Allah sounds like a real jerk. Kinda like this guy: You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me,

I know what you mean. I hear that verse quoted every darn time those Christians kill those who leave the faith.

WCinWI said:
Night all. I care far too much about watching Paul Ryan on MTP in the morning to continue this debate that is already held in fact. Enjoy Paul Ryan tomorrow y’all. It’ll put everything into perspective. :)

WCinWI said:
I really don’t care the amount. The fact that any amount is paid in defense of it at all says enough.

Didn’t you just call catfishjuggling a liar because he said he was leaving and then came back on? I guess that makes you a liar and a hypocrite.

WCinWI said:
Produce the actual birth certificate and poof!

It was done three years ago.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

WCinWI said:
Crisis averted. And if that’s too specific for ya, I’d like to see all of Obama’s government documentation – schooling, birth, hospital records, etc.. Why have we not seen any of this stuff?

Is that required to be POTUS? I don’t recall THAT section of the Constitution. The FEC gets to view Obama’s qualifications. I believe they did that last week…maybe this week just like they did 4 years ago.

BTW, I recall you saying you were not a birther? Or are you playing the Palin card?

WCinWI said:
Christianity is a collection of all faiths. Christianity is not A faith.

LOL. Christianity, like Islam is multi-denominational based on a central doctrine. It is a religious faith revolving around Jesus Christ as the son of God.

the real john t said:
Could you please explain how someone can have FAITH in a religion when they are born? That’s pure BS.

I already provided context to that in an earlier post. Or you could do the research yourself as I did in just a matter of moments. I found it on multiple sites. In the Muslim faith, you are initially born into it regardless. There is no choice in the matter. Then, as a child, you practice what your parents are accustomed to. And then I believe at puberty, you make the personal choice. I personally don’t get it. It’s essentially like having dual faiths, unless your parents are only practicing Muslims.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_intr.htm

All children are born on Al-Fitra (a pure, natural state of submission to Islam). His parents sometimes make him Christian, Jewish, etc.

the real john t said:
Didn’t you just call catfishjuggling a liar because he said he was leaving and then came back on? I guess that makes you a liar and a hypocrite.

No, I didn’t say that I was leaving for good. I said goodnight, which is often times a nice gesture. Sorry that you confuse the two. :)

Now stop making me do your research work and do your own. Do you or do you not agree with the NY Times article that Calvin posted?

You see the same book can be read two different ways. Same book that produces polite Lutherans sitting abround eating bratqurst in St. Paul also produces crazy people who hold rattle snakes in the hills.

And you’re right. No Christian killing. Ever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_crusades

WCinWI said:
I really don’t care the amount. The fact that any amount is paid in defense of it at all says enough.

How convenient for you.

WCinWI said:
In the Muslim faith, you are initially born into it regardless. There is no choice in the matter. Then, as a child, you practice what your parents are accustomed to.

His mother was not a Muslim.

Gasket said:
It was done three years ago.
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Is that required to be POTUS? I don’t recall THAT section of the Constitution. The FEC gets to view Obama’s qualifications. I believe they did that last week…maybe this week just like they did 4 years ago.

BTW, I recall you saying you were not a birther? Or are you playing the Palin card?

LOL. Christianity, like Islam is multi-denominational based on a central doctrine. It is a religious faith revolving around Jesus Christ as the son of God.

I would like to see the hospital records. That would confirm everything and is not out of question. :) Most people wouldn’t have an issue with providing this sort of info. Why hasn’t the administration done so? I frankly don’t care where he’s born. His policies alone are anti-American enough for me to judge him. Also, the church that he went to in Chi-town was enough too. It’s not my fault that you all fell for a myth.

Jesus (pbuh) is a prophet, born of the Virgin Mary. They regard the Christian concept of the deity of Jesus (pbuh) to be blasphemous; it is seen as a form of polytheism.

Stop trying to talk religion. Just watch Paul Ryan later today. :)

the real john t said:
His mother was not a Muslim.

Correct. His mother wasn’t. His father was. His mother was agnostic.

Calvin said:
I know what you mean. I hear that verse quoted every darn time those Christians kill those who leave the faith.

Love the avatar! “The business of America is business.” My fave story about Calvin (I’ll paraphrase to keep it short): After visiting a chicken farm the guide said, “Mrs. Coolidge wanted me to tell you the rooster does his ‘duty’ several times a day.” Calvin shot back, “With the same hen??”

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
How convenient for you.

Yeah – it’s funny how logic just throws a wrench into life that way. :)

Calvin said:
Gasket, what I said is exactly what the NYT said. I know it doesn’t matter to you or me that Obama is considered to be born a Muslim by Muslims, but it matters to them. Again from the NYT:

This has been my point. accoring to Islamic law, Obama was born a Muslim. This has no relevance to you or me, but it has relevance for Muslims. Radical Muslims consider Obama to be a traitorous Muslim. Am I wrong (along with NYT)?

You are not wrong for repeating what the NYT says. There are radical Muslims who believe in a lot of things that make no sense, In fact, most things are not even sourced from the Q’uran or the taquiyya. They are simply invented. . However, that does not mean those ideas should be used in a substantive argument to establish in the mainstream Obama’s religious identity. It does not matter what a minority fundamentalist fringe thinks Obama is. This is simply being used to demagogue. It’s irrelevant not to mention a rather irrational and illogical concept.

WCinWI said:
Stop digging that hole gasket. Just stop.

I don’t assume anything. Other than the fact that you don’t know a darned thing about religion. :)

LOL. I pointed out your assumption (specifically) and you still deny it. GTFO. You are the queen of fallacies and strawmans. We know you all too well.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
How convenient for you.

Don’t you love that?

WCinWI said:
Correct. His mother wasn’t. His father was. His mother was agnostic.

Then why don’t you quit using that same C&P about being born and following his parents religion BS trying to say he was born a Muslim.

Here is my view on the whole certificate ruckus….. Either show it or shut up. NOT a certificate of live birth… the official certificate. If ya have it, show it, if ya do not… shut up. BOTH sides. Simple as that. And if you do not have it… well then…. could be a very interesting next election.

WCinWI said:
I would like to see the hospital records. That would confirm everything and is not out of question. :) Most people wouldn’t have an issue with providing this sort of info. Why hasn’t the administration done so? I frankly don’t care where he’s born. His policies alone are anti-American enough for me to judge him. Also, the church that he went to in Chi-town was enough too. It’s not my fault that you all fell for a myth.

Jesus (pbuh) is a prophet, born of the Virgin Mary. They regard the Christian concept of the deity of Jesus (pbuh) to be blasphemous; it is seen as a form of polytheism.

Stop trying to talk religion. Just watch Paul Ryan later today. :)

Kind way of admitting your birtherism.

Did you see the birth certificate I posted?

You can’t even keep your arguments straight. Muslims agree with the existence of Jesus. They do not believe in his divinity. I can run circles around you on this while you’re busy with your google. I know you are clueless about this because you are searching on google. Note, I said Christianity is based on the concept of Jesus being the son of God. Muslims do not agree with this.

IIWII said:
Love the avatar! “The business of America is business.” My fave story about Calvin (I’ll paraphrase to keep it short): After visiting a chicken farm the guide said, “Mrs. Coolidge wanted me to tell you the rooster does his ‘duty’ several times a day.” Calvin shot back, “With the same hen??”

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO…… someone gave me a thumbs down because I posted a “joke” comment…. do Libs even read the comments? or do they just pinpoint names and reject by rote? I will take the thumbs down without anger………and laugh myself to sleep knowing the shallow mind who posted it is all in anger and such…… and I was just posting a funny…….. I love this site.

WCinWI said:
Yeah – it’s funny how logic just throws a wrench into life that way. :)

Your logic was to say Obama’s lawyers spent $2 million so far. When I called you on it … you said you don’t really care how much they spent. I find that highly illogical. People with logical minds don’t spend their time talking about things they don’t care about. The only logical explanation is that it was convenient for you to shift your position to I don’t care.

WCinWI said:
Correct. His mother wasn’t. His father was. His mother was agnostic.

Actually, Obama’s father was NOT a Muslim. His grandfather was. Clueless as usual.

Gasket said:
Actually, Obama’s father was NOT a Muslim. His grandfather was. Clueless as usual.

Give it a rest! His father was his father was not his grandfather was not his grandfather was… the fact is… Obama IS a Muslim. What is all the fuss about? He is Muslim. So??????????????

catfishjuggling said:
You see the same book can be read two different ways. Same book that produces polite Lutherans sitting abround eating bratqurst in St. Paul also produces crazy people who hold rattle snakes in the hills. And you’re right. No Christian killing. Ever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_crusades

Didn’t say there was never any killing done by Christians. You’re talking about something that happened 500 years ago. Show me the daily news reports on all of the Christians killing the infidels today. And show me the Christians calling for a modesty police. http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=215050

Modern Christianity and Islam are not comparable.

Gasket said:
Don’t you love that?

It’s a “please ignore the man behind the curtain” moment. :)

this is yet another “the world is laughing at Americans” moment (must watch this)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCJOmh91WSE&feature=player_embedded

IIWII said:
Give it a rest! His father was his father was not his grandfather was not his grandfather was… the fact is… Obama IS a Muslim. What is all the fuss about? He is Muslim. So??????????????

Thanks for settling that, Einstein with your omniscient wisdom.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
It’s a “please ignore the man behind the curtain” moment. :)

WCinWI is a “lady” and I use that loosely. :)

IIWII said:
Give it a rest! His father was his father was not his grandfather was not his grandfather was… the fact is… Obama IS a Muslim. What is all the fuss about? He is Muslim. So??????????????

I have a stalker!!!!!!!!!!! Yeeeeee—ha!!!!! I could say, “Gibber, kellif onot a pikls. Wqplm nsk vciz!” And my stalker will give me a thumbs down! Have I said I love this site??????? kekekekekekeke

Gasket said:
However, that does not mean those ideas should be used in a substantive argument to establish in the mainstream Obama’s religious identity. It does not matter what a minority fundamentalist fringe thinks Obama is. This is simply being used to demagogue. It’s irrelevant not to mention a rather irrational and illogical concept.

I think the Secret Service would beg to differ.

Gasket said:
Thanks for settling that, Einstein with your omniscient wisdom.

Yep, settled. And you disagree? What Christian church does he regularly attend? Waiting… waiting……. waiting………………….. and you call me an “Einstein”… yeah, because you know genius when you have someone read the posts to you. So, he is Muslim. Why does that anger you?

IIWII said:
I have a stalker!!!!!!!!!!! Yeeeeee—ha!!!!! I could say, “Gibber, kellif onot a pikls. Wqplm nsk vciz!” And my stalker will give me a thumbs down! Have I said I love this site??????? kekekekekekeke

Point made!!!!!!!!

Gasket said:
WCinWI is a “lady” and I use that loosely. :)

But she could be the Wizard of Oz. I hear she hangs in circles with those who have no hearts, brains, or nerve. Something to do with the anterior cingulate cortex, I believe. :)

I see the Libs are out in force tonight! Every single honest comment is being given a thumbs down…… I love this site! I will use the recent posts to show my students how the medium (internet) can be used to twist and turn public opinion. Thanks for the non-comments and thumbs down… you just gave be three days of lesson plans!

Calvin said:
Didn’t say there was never any killing done by Christians. You’re talking about something that happened 500 years ago. Show me the daily news reports on all of the Christians killing the infidels today. And show me the Christians calling for a modesty police. http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=215050

Modern Christianity and Islam are not comparable.

They are not, because their stages of development (and age) are not comparable either. Islam has not matured and/or undergone the numerous reformations that Christianity (or older faiths) have. A big clue is also the divergence of denominations within each respective religion and hierarchy. Don’t forget that just in the 1800′s, “Christian” USA did not consider women (even white women) as full citizens economically and even socially similar to what is seen in most Muslim dominated countries today. Islam (today) is just not where Christianity is today. That explains the power of the fringe elements (and the radical Imams) within Islamic hierarchy and the subservience of it’s followers. Hopefully a few millenia can change this.

IIWII said:
What Christian church does he regularly attend?

There’s nothing that says you need attend church to be Christian.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
But she could be the Wizard of Oz.

You don’t want to call her a woman or she. She’s got a hair trigger and will say you’re a sexist. So I’m just going to start calling it an “it” from now on.

I know! (I teach US government) but, it has been a tried and true US custom that the press has logged the “church” of the president. Lincoln had a seat in a church even though he did not believe in organized religion… and yet the press has let this POTUS have a pass on that issue. I do not care a hoot if the current occupant of the seat is Christian or Muslim…. I am wondering why people on the left and right find it so explosive the current POTUS is a Muslim.

IIWII said:
Every single honest comment is being given a thumbs down……

Ever notice how the RWers are so concerned about the thumbs vote. Like they really mean a whole lot.

IIWII said:
I know! (I teach US government) but, it has been a tried and true US custom that the press has logged the “church” of the president. Lincoln had a seat in a church even though he did not believe in organized religion… and yet the press has let this POTUS have a pass on that issue. I do not care a hoot if the current occupant of the seat is Christian or Muslim…. I am wondering why people on the left and right find it so explosive the current POTUS is a Muslim.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
There’s nothing that says you need attend church to be Christian.

Gasket said:
They are not, because their stages of development (and age) are not comparable either. Islam has not matured and/or undergone the numerous reformations that Christianity (or older faiths) have. A big clue is also the divergence of denominations within each respective religion and hierarchy. Don’t forget that just in the 1800’s, “Christian” USA did not consider women (even white women) as full citizens economically and even socially similar to what is seen in most Muslim dominated countries today. Islam (today) is just not where Christianity is today. That explains the power of the fringe elements (and the radical Imams) within Islamic hierarchy and the subservience of it’s followers. Hopefully a few millenia can change this.

I do understand what they are saying tho. I was born “into” Catholicism and could still be considered Catholic by Catholics. That’s why as insurance my family knows that under NO circumstances am I to have the last rites or be buried Catholic … or I will haunt them and their children and their children’s children. Amen!

IIWII said:
So, he is Muslim. Why does that anger you?

What makes you think I am? You are also intelligent enough (I hope) to perceive the intention behind the use of the word. It’s not merely meant to label a religious identity. It’s being used as a pejorative by the wingnuts. Just like when they use his middle name. You know what they say about ignorance? A good suggestion for your lesson plan. Tolerance is another.

IIWII said:
I know! (I teach US government) but, it has been a tried and true US custom that the press has logged the “church” of the president.

Did you bitch and moan about Reagan not going to church?

the real john t said:
Ever notice how the RWers are so concerned about the thumbs vote. Like they really mean a whole lot.

Ahhhh…… again you project…. it is not a personal affront if I get a thumbs up or down… I am comfortable and secure in my own skin… but the mark is a simple way of reading who is posting and commenting… and since your side is losing the thumb battle… I can use that to make my lesson plans. I do not give a rat’s arSe what the thumbs say… but I do know how to use the information to enlighten my students.

IIWII said:
I do not give a rat’s arSe what the thumbs say…

Then why do you keep crying about it?

the real john t said:
You don’t want to call her a woman or she. She’s got a hair trigger and will say you’re a sexist. So I’m just going to start calling it an “it” from now on.

LOL.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
I do understand what they are saying tho. I was born “into” Catholicism and could still be considered Catholic by Catholics. That’s why as insurance my family knows that under NO circumstances am I to have the last rites or be buried Catholic … or I will haunt them and their children and their children’s children. Amen!

Haha…:)

the real john t said:
Did you bitch and moan about Reagan not going to church?

Maybe…. where in this thread/post does it mention Reagan??????? Focus, ya need to focus here.

the real john t said:
Then why do you keep crying about it?

I am egging you and your ilk on… so I have more material… Thank you for offering another paragraph in my lesson plans!

Gasket said:
age)

Does Islam have about 600 years on Christianity?

Gasket said:
Islam has not matured and/or undergone the numerous reformations that Christianity (or older faiths) have.

But why? Is there something inherent about Islam that has prevented this, or is age?

Gasket said:
Don’t forget that just in the 1800’s, “Christian” USA did not consider women (even white women) as full citizens economically and even socially similar to what is seen in most Muslim dominated countries today.

Won’t argue with you on that one.

Gasket said:
Islam (today) is just not where Christianity is today. That explains the power of the fringe elements (and the radical Imams) within Islamic hierarchy and the subservience of it’s followers. Hopefully a few millenia can change this.

I believe that Zhudi Jasser has it right: the bulk of the fight against radical islam will have to be fought by Muslims. If you haven’t heard of Jasser, you should look him up.

IIWII said:
Maybe…. where in this thread/post does it mention Reagan???????

Where is it in this post talking about Obama not going to church?

IIWII said:
Maybe…. where in this thread/post does it mention Reagan??????? Focus, ya need to focus here.

Reagan was brought up because the conversation is about Obama not attending church. Reagan did not attend church either. But then he didn’t have a Gretchen Carlson going on about it for years either … some say. :)

Gasket said:
What makes you think I am? You are also intelligent enough (I hope) to perceive the intention behind the use of the word. It’s not merely meant to label a religious identity. It’s being used as a pejorative by the wingnuts. Just like when they use his middle name. You know what they say about ignorance? A good suggestion for your lesson plan. Tolerance is another.

Done! I will show both sides! “HIS” middle name is what it is… so, are you saying no one should mention it? Are YOU embarrassed and ashamed of his middle name? IIWII… it is what it is…. and when you say “THEY” use his middle name… I recall HIM using his middle name when he was sworn in…. or maybe you deleted that bit of his ascension…

the real john t said:
Where is it in this post talking about Obama not going to church?

NOT about going to church… about him going to Mosque… I am just saying, he is Muslim. Certificate or no…. he is Muslim. (Waiting for your response… I have Thursday open in class)

IIWII: Ha! Never heard that story about “Silent Cal.” My favorite story is that a woman came up to Coolidge at a party and told him that she had just bet her friend that she could get Coolidge to say more than two words. His response was “you lose” ( :

Goodnight everybody.

IIWII said:
Are YOU embarrassed and ashamed of his middle name?

The discussion is about the intent behind the use. I’ve yet to see it used in any way other than attack. Have you?

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Reagan was brought up because the conversation is about Obama not attending church. Reagan did not attend church either. But then he didn’t have a Gretchen Carlson going on about it for years either … some say. :)

NOooooo the conversation is about Obama being Muslim… and he does not attend a Christian church. Reagan did not attend any church… but had NO Muslim ties. When it comes to this POTUS… silence is accepted as consent/agreement… basic law 101.

IIWII said:
NOT about going to church… about him going to Mosque…

Where in the article does it say he attended a Mosque?

Calvin said:
IIWII: Ha! Never heard that story about “Silent Cal.” My favorite story is that a woman came up to Coolidge at a party and told him that she had just bet her friend that she could get Coolidge to say more than two words. His response was “you lose” ( :

Goodnight everybody.

Yep! That is the most famous….. “You lose…” night.

Calvin said:
I think the Secret Service would beg to differ.

I don’t think they care. Their job is to protect Obama. You know when Ahmadinejad (virulent anti-American) visits the US he’s protected by the Secret Service right? The Atlantic had a nice story on them a few months ago. You should read it. Pretty cool.

IIWII said:
NOooooo the conversation is about Obama being Muslim

No you are having that conversation alone. Obama claims Jesus Christ as his lord and savior. There is no other case to be made.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
The discussion is about the intent behind the use. I’ve yet to see it used in any way other than attack. Have you?

Yes!I I have! HE used it to take the oath…. so there is no shame in it. How can ONE be attacked when ONE has accepted and agreed??????? As Everclear sings in one of their songs, “They cannot hurt you unless you let them.” So one side uses the middle name… the other side uses the middle name… the bullet has been fired and the target has not been hit…. a spent ball…..

IIWII said:
NOooooo the conversation is about Obama being Muslim… and he does not attend a Christian church. Reagan did not attend any church… but had NO Muslim ties. When it comes to this POTUS… silence is accepted as consent/agreement… basic law 101.

Are you serious? Obama is panned by the wingnuts for attending a controversial CHURCH for 20 years! Make up your mind. Do you want to pigeonhole him as a Christian or a Muslim?

IIWII said:
so there is no shame in it

There is no shame in it. But there should be shame in those who use it as an attack. And that’s the only time I’ve seen it brought up (aside from his swearing in).

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
No you are having that conversation alone. Obama claims Jesus Christ as his lord and savior. There is no other case to be made.

And yet, he has made no attempt to show that. He says it because it is politically expedient… For the record… I am Athiest, I don’t care one way or the other… but the current occupant of the Seat says one way and lives the other. Same same same as Reagan… you and your side will trash Reagan over this issue but give Obama a pass… I will hold both of them to the same “honesty” standard…… where does that leave you? Partisan……

IIWII said:
(Waiting for your response… I have Thursday open in class)

OH! You mean that class you teach in Montana but your email you were so eager to give out, showed your IP just north of Wichita Kansas. You must have a very long commute.

Gasket said:
Are you serious? Obama is panned by the wingnuts for attending a controversial CHURCH for 20 years! Make up your mind. Do you want to pigeonhole him as a Christian or a Muslim?

Political expedience… he was in that church because it was the best way to go for the political moment.

Gasket said:
silence is accepted as consent/agreement

In whose world is silence accepted as consent/agreement?

btw isn’t it refreshing to be able to have an adult conversation here? Just saying :)

the real john t said:
OH! You mean that class you teach in Montana but your email you were so eager to give out, showed your IP just north of Wichita Kansas. You must have a very long commute.

You are still an idiot. If you know how to use the internet..,. you can find me. Northern Cheyenne, Montana. I do not know what search enginge you use… but maybe you should get a better job and purchase next grade up. Or are you waiting for me (taxpayers) to give you better service?????? And truth be told, the email I used? is from when I was living in Illinois. Still my mailing addrerss, where my wife of 32 years waits for my return…. so, maybe your search is splitting the difference? Kansas would be about half way.

IIWII said:
Done! I will show both sides! “HIS” middle name is what it is… so, are you saying no one should mention it? Are YOU embarrassed and ashamed of his middle name? IIWII… it is what it is…. and when you say “THEY” use his middle name… I recall HIM using his middle name when he was sworn in…. or maybe you deleted that bit of his ascension…

I am not ashamed or embarrassed that Obama has those names. Why should I? I have two African names myself. What embarasses me is the religious bigotry, xenophobic and coded racism behind fringes of the conservative movement like the birthers. That should be embarrassing to any rational American. They use his NAME and ethnicity to demagogue. That is shameful.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
btw isn’t it refreshing to be able to have an adult conversation here? Just saying :)

YES!!!!!!! Sorry, didn’t know if that comment was intended for me… do not mean to step on a thread of yours. Still, just saying…. discourse…. over a beer or three and a bottle of wine. yes, it is nice. Thank you.

IIWII said:
Still my mailing addrerss, where my wife of 32 years waits for my return…. so, maybe your search is splitting the difference? Kansas would be about half way.

Yeah, sure. HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Gasket said:
I am not ashamed or embarrassed that Obama has those names. Why should I? I have two African names myself. What embarasses me is the religious bigotry, xenophobic and coded racism behind fringes of the conservative movement like the birthers. That should be embarrassing to any rational American. They use his NAME and ethnicity to demagogue. That is shameful.

Look at the political discourse as a timeline…. there are extreme ends on BOTH sides. Not ALL conservatives are way over by dere on the right and not ALL libreals are over by dere wiff the Weather Underground. It is when we toss invectives back and forth without taking a deep breath, well, it is those times we are not being honest with ourselves and others.

Political Gum Hockey’s analysis of why Sarah Palin won’t run for president in 2012, or ever.

http://politicalgumhockey.wordpress.com/2011/04/09/why-sarah-palin-wont-run-for-president/

the real john t said:
Yeah, sure. HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Yep, since you are a Lid… would not expect you to see/understand the truth when it stands right in front of you.

IIWII said:
Yep, since you are a Lid… would not expect you to see/understand the truth when it stands right in front of you.

Lib……. dang, a Lid is my Chicago Cubs hat…….

IIWII said:
Political expedience… he was in that church because it was the best way to go for the political moment.

Do you have any factual evidence or is this based on conjecture?

IIWII said:
And yet, he has made no attempt to show that.

To show what? He’s a Christian? I think having his kids baptized is a BIG sign and attending that “hateful church” in Chicago was too. If he wanted political expediency, why did he join a predominantly black church? Most connected people in Chicago are white and do not attend Holy Trinity. Just saying…..Your hypothesis is leaking like a sieve. :)

IIWII said:
would not expect you to see/understand the truth when it stands right in front of you.

OH! Because you said that was the truth makes it the truth?

IIWII said:
Look at the political discourse as a timeline…. there are extreme ends on BOTH sides. Not ALL conservatives are way over by dere on the right and not ALL libreals are over by dere wiff the Weather Underground. It is when we toss invectives back and forth without taking a deep breath, well, it is those times we are not being honest with ourselves and others.

Thank you. I can agree with that post.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
In whose world is silence accepted as consent/agreement?

Law… if you refuse to answer a question it is accepted as fact to the positive. Silence is consent… basic law.

Time for bed for me. Goodbye everyone. :)

IIWII said:
And yet, he has made no attempt to show that.

To whom? It is between him and his God and no one else’s business.

IIWII said:
but the current occupant of the Seat says one way and lives the other.

By who’s standards? I know quite a few devoted Christians who don’t attend any church. There is a whole movement out there if people who have dropped the church worship and practice in a deeply personal way … and bypass the middle man (church).

IIWII said:
you and your side will trash Reagan over this issue but give Obama a pass

Maybe I’ve missed it but I don’t recall Reagan’s lack of church attendance as a topic of conversation by anyone … then or now. The left only brings up the fact when as a counterpoint to the attack on Obama for it.

IIWII said:
I will hold both of them to the same “honesty” standard

Sounds to me like you hold them to your standard of what a Christian should look.

IIWII said:
where does that leave you? Partisan……

Is this really where you want to take this conversation, Jim?

Gasket said:
Thank you. I can agree with that post.

Wow!!!! Thank you! From my side to yours…. we are not as far apart as we argue.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
To whom? It is between him and his God and no one else’s business.

By who’s standards? I know quite a few devoted Christians who don’t attend any church. There is a whole movement out there if people who have dropped the church worship and practice in a deeply personal way … and bypass the middle man (church).

Maybe I’ve missed it but I don’t recall Reagan’s lack of church attendance as a topic of conversation by anyone … then or now. The left only brings up the fact when as a counterpoint to the attack on Obama for it.

Sounds to me like you hold them to your standard of what a Christian should look.

Is this really where you want to take this conversation, Jim?

No, it is not… just evolved to this point. I stand down. The stage is yours.

the real john t said:
OH! Because you said that was the truth makes it the truth?

Yes.

IIWII said:
YES!!!!!!! Sorry, didn’t know if that comment was intended for me… do not mean to step on a thread of yours. Still, just saying…. discourse…. over a beer or three and a bottle of wine. yes, it is nice. Thank you.

It was meant for all of us. :) We’re disagreeing without being disagreeable. LOL

IIWII said:
Law… if you refuse to answer a question it is accepted as fact to the positive. Silence is consent… basic law.

Guess I’m not following. Who do we have in a court of law? Obama? And why?

Gasket said:
Time for bed for me. Goodbye everyone. :)

Sweet dreams :)

Gasket said:
Do you have any factual evidence or is this based on conjecture?

To show what? He’s a Christian? I think having his kids baptized is a BIG sign and attending that “hateful church” in Chicago was too. If he wanted political expediency, why did he join a predominantly black church? Most connected people in Chicago are white and do not attend Holy Trinity. Just saying…..Your hypothesis is leaking like a sieve. :)

Oh my…. where did you get that bit of fact? Reverend Wright was Trinity United (99% African American) Holy Trinity is North side Chicago… I know, I have been there. I can send you photos. I live in Illinois just an hour’s drive from Chicago when I am not in Montana teaching. His church was Trinity United….Holy Trinity is nothing near that other church. Just saying.

IIWII said:
No, it is not… just evolved to this point. I stand down. The stage is yours.

Good. I had to rush my beloved cat to the hospital today. She had an asthma attack. Thought I might lose her.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Guess I’m not following. Who do we have in a court of law? Obama? And why?

Oh geesh…. in law, our law, based on British commobn law, and precedent… when a person is asked a question and they do not respond, when the askee does not reply, that (by our and British Common law on which much of our Law is founded) is considered consent. Same as, “Possesion is 9 tenths of the law.” Silence is considered consent. Now stop nitpicking this bit or I may have to raise my hand to your backside!

IIWII said:
Oh my…. where did you get that bit of fact? Reverend Wright was Trinity United (99% African American) Holy Trinity is North side Chicago… I know, I have been there. I can send you photos. I live in Illinois just an hour’s drive from Chicago when I am not in Montana teaching. His church was Trinity United….Holy Trinity is nothing near that other church. Just saying.

And another point… Chicago is DOMINATED by liberat/Democrat politics… Daley and such… Obama took the safe road and wound his way through Chigo politics by holding to the Democrat Machine politics. I will tell you this one time and one time only, do NOT take me up on Chicago politics. I have lived under “Chicago” rule for 30 years. If you do not know of what you post… say nothing.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
Good. I had to rush my beloved cat to the hospital today. She had an asthma attack. Thought I might lose her.

Ummmm…. ok…. hope all is well! (Best I could do, I am not an animal lover) And I do mean that honestly….. hope all is well.

I’m beat. Haven’t had 8hours in a week. Gonna peek into a couple of threads then go to sleep. Didn’t realize you and your wife resided in different states when your teaching. Now I know why you bring her up so much. You must miss her terribly … but it must be great when you go home. :)

IIWII said:
Ummmm…. ok…. hope all is well! (Best I could do, I am not an animal lover) And I do mean that honestly….. hope all is well.

She seems fine tonight but I’ll have to take her to her regular vet next week to see what kind of ongoing treatment she will need. I don’t want to ever see her struggle to breath like that again. sweet dreams of your lady love. night, Jim.

Thanks…….. yes I do. We will be in Vegas in 10 days… the he!! wiff gambling…I will hold her close and dance to Dean Martin. 33 years this year… and never been apart from her for more than 5 days until this year. Been 7 months and counting. Thank you for the notice of me mentioning my wife. Have a great night and best to the cat.

Thanks, Jim :)

IIWII said:
Lib……. dang, a Lid is my Chicago Cubs hat…….

HEY! What do you have against the Cubs??????? You can call me all kind’a names… but leave the Cubs out of your thumbs down crap!!!!!!

Gasket said:
ROFLMAO. 13 straight months of PRIVATE SECTOR job growth!
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/01/private-sector-leads-way-economy-adds-216000-jobs-march/

Isn’t it utter hypocrisy for a flaming liberal, such as you, Gasket, to quote FOX?

It’s comical how all the left wing bomb thrower sights, TV, newspapers, etc throw the interview by one of their own out there about how Barack’s grandma was a flip flopper and the certificate of live birth ( guppies at PetSmart have the same documentation ) IS a valid birth certificate, but NOT ONE of these morally bankrupy organizations will question the president on the fact that he may have spent upwards of $2 million bucks concealing his past ( lying about ) from us ” real ” American people.

They do however vilify anyone who brings this subject up, starting out with the words ” THEY CLAIM “.

They have been instructed by the regime ( Caucuss the other week ) on exactly the wording of the White House talking points regarding this subject, but that will not stop the truth from being known.

Sarah will be pretty “perplexed” herself this morning when she finds out her faked pregnancy hoax has gone mainstream. Sarah, please show us Trig’s birth certificate….we’re perplexed about a lot of the details of the imaginary pregnancy.

Pinkbutterfly said:
Sarah will be pretty “perplexed” herself this morning when she finds out her faked pregnancy hoax has gone mainstream. Sarah, please show us Trig’s birth certificate….we’re perplexed about a lot of the details of the imaginary pregnancy.

OH NO YU DIT INT !!!!!!

This is what Mediaite and other conservative blogs do not want you to know:

Brain structure differs in liberals, conservatives: study
(AFP) – 2 days ago

WASHINGTON — Everyone knows that liberals and conservatives butt heads when it comes to world views, but scientists have now shown that their brains are actually built differently.
Liberals have more gray matter in a part of the brain associated with understanding complexity, while the conservative brain is bigger in the section related to processing fear, said the study on Thursday in Current Biology.

“We found that greater liberalism was associated with increased gray matter volume in the anterior cingulate cortex, whereas greater conservatism was associated with increased volume of the right amygdala,” the study said.

Other research has shown greater brain activity in those areas, according to which political views a person holds, but this is the first study to show a physical difference in size in the same regions.
“Previously, some psychological traits were known to be predictive of an individual’s political orientation,” said Ryota Kanai of the University College London, where the research took place.
“Our study now links such personality traits with specific brain structure.”

The study was based on 90 “healthy young adults” who reported their political views on a scale of one to five from very liberal to very conservative, then agreed to have their brains scanned.
People with a large amygdala are “more sensitive to disgust” and tend to “respond to threatening situations with more aggression than do liberals and are more sensitive to threatening facial expressions,” the study said.
Liberals are linked to larger anterior cingulate cortexes, a region that “monitor(s) uncertainty and conflicts,” it said.

“Thus, it is conceivable that individuals with a larger ACC have a higher capacity to tolerate uncertainty and conflicts, allowing them to accept more liberal views.”
It remains unclear whether the structural differences cause the divergence in political views, or are the effect of them.

But the central issue in determining political views appears to revolve around fear and how it affects a person.
“Our findings are consistent with the proposal that political orientation is associated with psychological processes for managing fear and uncertainty,” the study said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iISI7ifh-AjUE3ejyC1wQmwFrMFw?docId=CNG.61c886c438708471a9f4ea23070fa70c.3a1

Resistance Is Futile said:
This is what Mediaite and other conservative blogs do not want you to know:

Brain structure differs in liberals, conservatives: study
(AFP) – 2 days ago

WASHINGTON — Everyone knows that liberals and conservatives butt heads when it comes to world views, but scientists have now shown that their brains are actually built differently.
Liberals have more gray matter in a part of the brain associated with understanding complexity, while the conservative brain is bigger in the section related to processing fear, said the study on Thursday in Current Biology.

“We found that greater liberalism was associated with increased gray matter volume in the anterior cingulate cortex, whereas greater conservatism was associated with increased volume of the right amygdala,” the study said.

Other research has shown greater brain activity in those areas, according to which political views a person holds, but this is the first study to show a physical difference in size in the same regions.
“Previously, some psychological traits were known to be predictive of an individual’s political orientation,” said Ryota Kanai of the University College London, where the research took place.
“Our study now links such personality traits with specific brain structure.”

The study was based on 90 “healthy young adults” who reported their political views on a scale of one to five from very liberal to very conservative, then agreed to have their brains scanned.
People with a large amygdala are “more sensitive to disgust” and tend to “respond to threatening situations with more aggression than do liberals and are more sensitive to threatening facial expressions,” the study said.
Liberals are linked to larger anterior cingulate cortexes, a region that “monitor(s) uncertainty and conflicts,” it said.

“Thus, it is conceivable that individuals with a larger ACC have a higher capacity to tolerate uncertainty and conflicts, allowing them to accept more liberal views.”
It remains unclear whether the structural differences cause the divergence in political views, or are the effect of them.

But the central issue in determining political views appears to revolve around fear and how it affects a person.
“Our findings are consistent with the proposal that political orientation is associated with psychological processes for managing fear and uncertainty,” the study said.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iISI7ifh-AjUE3ejyC1wQmwFrMFw?docId=CNG.61c886c438708471a9f4ea23070fa70c.3a1

http://www.mediaite.com/online/conservative-liberal-study-says-its-all-in-your-head-brain-actually/

Trump/Palin 2012 …..Bahahahahahahha!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/apr/08/politifacts-guide-obamas-birth-certificate/

Resistance Is Futile said:
Brain structure differs in liberals, conservatives: study
(AFP) – 2 days ago

A year from now Liberals will be calling Ryota Kanai a racist for the underpinnings that support such studies…

This just exemplifies the problem we have and why so many right-wingers believe this; no prominent conservative figure is seeking to denounce this bullshit. It’s just as much their fault.

Colorado_Conservative said:
Why won’t our undocumented community organizer just release the damn thing and be done with all this “nonsense”?
Why does he spend millions fighting against it if he has nothing to hide?

“The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.” ~ Obama

Why won’t any republicans denounce it?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
This just exemplifies the problem we have and why so many right-wingers believe this; no prominent conservative figure is seeking to denounce this bullshit. It’s just as much their fault.

You know what would end the debate?
The Birth Certificate…
Obama’s people don’t like what is on it…

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Why won’t any republicans denounce it?

Begs the political question… The GOP probably sees the issue polling well…

TrollJuice said:
Trump/Palin 2012 …..Bahahahahahahha!

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2011/apr/08/politifacts-guide-obamas-birth-certificate/

Obama/Biden 2012 ……Bahahahahahahah!

Just for fun…
download the Live Birth Certificate…
photoshop your own name inplace of Obama’s…
There is no need for a seal or signature or hospital…
print it out…
voila, you were born in Honolulu

Trust Obama. Right, Sarah Devlin?

Wow, A Palin story always brings in a ton of comments…..

Thanks Mediaite!

Why are you liberals so afraid of a real birth certificate coming to the surface?

You should be in favor of it…it would prove your point of being right on this. Think of the “Politcal Power” you would gain by having a birth certificate produced.

And NO….a “Certificate of Live Birth” is NOT a “Birth Certificate!”

The Birth Certificate issue might have helped marginalize the “crazies” when Obama was polling in the high 60′s…
But with POTUS polling in the 40′s the issue is gaining momentum…evolving into a loud demand…
Just think if his poll numbers dip below 40%…

Yes, Sarah, please show us the birth certificate for Trigg. Not the adoption papers–the papers showing who the birth mother was. As far as your comment about Obama being born in Florida, you are just trying to get some attention for yourself by spreading your lie. You really should read newspapers more often. That is as unbelievable as when all the people report that your birth certificate shows you were born in LaLaLand.

Well look at all the late night action that went on here! I guess Saturday night is alright (for birthers).

I noticed nobody seemed to have much to say about these most excellent posts…..

Ardiva said:
For those who have said that Obama is shelling out money to keep something hidden on his birth certificate..please provide a valid URL (other than Fox News) to this information.
Thanks.

Ardiva said:
http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/05/06/challenge-barack-obama-birth-certificate-legal-expenses/

From the link:
CHALLENGE: Show me the verifiable documents that reveal the dollar amount spent by Barack Obama or his campaign on legal expenses to prevent the release of Obama’s “real” birth certificate.

Well, any takers? Since everybody is saying it there surely must be lots of evidence to present.

With Palin’s support, and Fox News, a Trump win is plausible on the Republican side.

Need a B C to be on American Idol and X factor . But not to be POTUS . Does not surprise me .

Tucker Peterson said:
Need a B C to be on American Idol and X factor . But not to be POTUS . Does not surprise me .

Ironic because we have an American-Idol President…

Poor Barry; the only president without a BC- Is that racism?

im_lovin_it said:
CHALLENGE: Show me the verifiable documents that reveal the dollar amount spent by Barack Obama or his campaign on legal expenses to prevent the release of Obama’s “real” birth certificate.

Because Obama is so open and transparent///

I don’t know if anyone here is old enough to remember SPY magazine, the originator of “snark”, but here is a cache version of the magazine:
http://books.google.com/books?...

He’s on the cover. The coverage of Trump during his downfall in the ’90′s starts on page 50.

Surely the reasonable Republicans will step in and put an end to this……anyone?

SHo Trig’s Birth certificate…… babygates returns

barry can’t show a BC- he is foreign born!

Barack Must Go said:
Obama/Biden 2012 ……Bahahahahahahah!

Haha! Still not as funny as Trump/Palin!!!! Or even better Palin/Bachmann 2012!! Yeeeeeah!! Whoo Hooo

Come on conservatives! Aren’t you pleased with your potential candidates? I’d really love to know

we could run bart simpson and beat the indonesian

RowdyHoward said:
Come on conservatives! Aren’t you pleased with your potential candidates? I’d really love to know

T-Paw / Rubio 2012…
an electoral college landslide…

madaboutobama said:
Surely the reasonable Republicans will step in and put an end to this……anyone?

Surely reasonable Obama confidants will step in an put an end to this… Gov Ambercrombie?

Sarah, please show us Trig’s birth certificate, you know….the one with his actual birth date. Sarah, you are a phony and a disgusting human being. No woman in her right mind would fake a pregnancy….but we all know that Palin is mentally ill.

If you want to know more about the faked pregnancy…here it is. http://theimmoralminority.blogspot.com/ It’s time for the truth about the faked pregnancy to go mainstream. Sarah, we all know you are a phony, lying con artist. It must really suck to walk into your closets will all the skeletons you try to hide.

Wow 283 hits.

Palin still can draw the rabid left wing zealots out from under the fridge, even in broad day light. Who says they only come out at night.

I guess it’s time to check ValPack for an ORKIN Man or Terminex coupon again.

skoorbekim said:
Because Obama is so open and transparent///

So nothing? How is everyone saying he’s spent X amount of money on suppressing his BC? Where are these numbers coming from?

The funny thing is you actually have a very good point. Obama loves to preach transparency. Pay no attention to the champagne room full of lobbyists of course….

Yet, what’s all the talk these days? Bozos and birthers. Does half the GOP even know who Tim Pawlenty is? Mitch Daniels? It’s gotten so bad at times I think Rahm-Bo put Trump up to this. One last gift for his old boss.

Barack Must Go said:
Wow 283 hits.

Palin still can draw the rabid left wing zealots out from under the fridge, even in broad day light. Who says they only come out at night.

I guess it’s time to check ValPack for an ORKIN Man or Terminex coupon again.

Yes, how many comments have you made on here alone? Kinda sucks trying to defend an idiot, after a while you just begin to sound like one yourself

im_lovin_it said:
So nothing? How is everyone saying he’s spent X amount of money on suppressing his BC? Where are these numbers coming from?

Good question…
That is why this Birth Certificate issue is intriguing…
There are plenty of questions and until they get answered this issue will hit a fever pitch…

Trump: True American hero, icon and next president.

Please stop the birther nonsense. Obama is a typical American red diaper baby, born in Hawaii. His Kenyan dad had almost nothing to do with his life, despite the Dreams From My Father mythmaking.

Barack Obama is the son of white communist student from Kansas. Like most marxists at the time 18-year old Ann Dunham idolized the Third World as vanguard of the Revolution and hooked up with the first African socialist she could get her hands on.

Obama Sr. had no reason to bring his pregnant Hawaiian bit-of-fun-on-the-side home with him to his wife and kids in Kenya. If Obma is hiding anything, it is the fact that he is the son of basically a white single mother.

Birthers fundamentally miss the point who Obama is. They help the Obamacrats hide the fact that he is a red diaper baby. All the anti-imperialism and black liberation stuff he got from his white mum; it was all standard marxist-leninist dogma in the 1970s.

And birthers make it easy for Obamacrats to paint all opposition as racists and xenophobes.

peterverkooijen said:
Please stop the birther nonsense. Obama is a typical American red diaper baby, born in Hawaii. His Kenyan dad had almost nothing to do with his life, despite the Dreams From My Father mythmaking.

Barack Obama is the son of white communist student from Kansas. Like most marxists at the time 18-year old Ann Dunham idolized the Third World as vanguard of the Revolution and hooked up with the first African socialist she could get her hands on.

Obama Sr. had no reason to bring his pregnant Hawaiian bit-of-fun-on-the-side home with him to his wife and kids in Kenya. If Obma is hiding anything, it is the fact that he is the son of basically a white single mother.

Birthers fundamentally miss the point who Obama is. They help the Obamacrats hide the fact that he is a red diaper baby. All the anti-imperialism and black liberation stuff he got from his white mum; it was all standard marxist-leninist dogma in the 1970s.

And birthers make it easy for Obamacrats to paint all opposition as racists and xenophobes.

Finally some sense is brought to the table.

RowdyHoward said:
Yes, how many comments have you made on here alone? Kinda sucks trying to defend an idiot, after a while you just begin to sound like one yourself

Then quit. Nobodies holding a gun to your head Howie. You’re free to come and GO as you like thanks in large part to Sarah Palin and the Tea Party folks.

If they hadn’t effectively stopped the Obama manifesto from implementing, we’d all be wearing the same color shirts while goose stepping on the mall.

Red Diaper Doper Baby is the proper term. ;)

Those are some very serious policies there…the Republican party isn’t a joke at all. The Conservatives aren’t run by reality show people!

I am not a “birther.” I think Obama was born in Hawaii.

But he’s hiding something and he’s going to great lengths to keep it hidden.

Obama spends a fortune to prevent anyone from seeing his Long Form Birth Certificate. Not only that, a vast array of other documentation of his life has been aggressively shielded from public view.

So the “logical” conclusion from all of this by many is that Obama has nothing to hide and those that think he’s hiding something are racists and xenophobes.

You can’t make this stuff up.

I think it is great that Trump is investigating Obama, since the GOP has no balls to do it. Anyone who lets good, honorable military men go to prison, all because of Obama’s childish refusal to prove who he is, well, to me, that shows Obama has no Honor or Integrity whatsoever. You Progressive Entitlement Pukes can kiss Obambi’s butt goodbye in 2012, maybe sooner.

Allen West 2012! A Proven Patriot, Leader, and a Born American with a Real Birth Certificate! Or Trump, or Palin, or Bachmann, or Newt, or the neighbors dog, anyone but the current NonAmerican Idiot, Obama!

Trump was apparentlythe talk of the town on the Sunday talk shows. how these liberal loony hosts will work over time to protect hehimself from his past is too funny. They could care less what his background is, they will just follow him like a bunch of blind mice. How sad for this country that these so-called journolists still have a seat at the table.

HostileLogic said:
I am not a “birther.” I think Obama was born in Hawaii.

But he’s hiding something and he’s going to great lengths to keep it hidden.

Obama spends a fortune to prevent anyone from seeing his Long Form Birth Certificate. Not only that, a vast array of other documentation of his life has been aggressively shielded from public view.

So the “logical” conclusion from all of this by many is that Obama has nothing to hide and those that think he’s hiding something are racists and xenophobes.

You can’t make this stuff up.

CHALLENGE: Show me the verifiable documents that reveal the dollar amount spent by Barack Obama or his campaign on legal expenses to prevent the release of Obama’s “real” birth certificate.

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2009/05/06/challenge-barack-obama-birth-certificate-legal-expenses/

skoorbekim said:
Good question…
That is why this Birth Certificate issue is intriguing…
There are plenty of questions and until they get answered this issue will hit a fever pitch…

Well the answer to the questions are that people are pulling stuff out of their ass and the drooling masses are messily devouring it. It works like this: I say that Sarah Palin spent 10 million in oil money to hide her illegal shenanigans. Where did this information come from, you might ask? That’s a good question and it needs to be investigated!! What is Sarah Palin hiding?!!

TfT said:
Trump was apparentlythe talk of the town on the Sunday talk shows. how these liberal loony hosts will work over time to protect hehimself from his past is too funny. They could care less what his background is, they will just follow him like a bunch of blind mice. How sad for this country that these so-called journolists still have a seat at the table.

So what Beck. Beck took two segments of Kurtz’s show. I sincerely enjoyed Bill Press. NOT.

Amazing how idiots bring this up as a diversion from real issues like how to fix the economy and create jobs. No one cares about Palin’s opinion on this or anything else anymore – all we want to know is if there will be a catfight between the two prom queens as Bachmann moves onto Sarah’s former stage.

HostileLogic said:
I am not a “birther.” I think Obama was born in Hawaii.

But he’s hiding something and he’s going to great lengths to keep it hidden.
…

So the “logical” conclusion from all of this by many is that Obama has nothing to hide and those that think he’s hiding something are racists and xenophobes.

He has plenty to hide, but it is hiding is plain sight and birthers help him hide it.

Obama is a lifelong communist, born and raised in a communist family and mentored and groomed by communist circles.

Who paid for his academic career? Now there is a good question.

But the birthers aren’t asking that. For some reason they are obsessed with proving Obama is African.

Why do birthers want to obscure the fact Barack Obama is the bastard son of a white communist single mother in Hawaii?!

Birther may not be racists and xenophobes, but they make it very easy for Obamacrats to paint all opposition as racists and xenophones. Thanks a lot birthers. You will get Obama reelected in 2012.

im_lovin_it says:

It’s funny how you come here trying to play some kind of middle of the road kinda guy until somebody challenges Obamas birth issues. You were never fooling me, though. Thanks for your *concern.*

This birth issue for Obama is a huge can of worms that is about to explode and I can’t wait!

Take your challenge and stuff it.

In total, Obama has paid Perkins Coie, a single law firm, $2.3 million since he announced his campaign for presidency. By contrast, a cumulative total of all of Sen. John McCain’s legal consulting fees from Jan. 1, 2007, to June 30, 2009, amounts to $1.46 million.

Robert Bauer of Perkins Coie – top lawyer for Obama, Obama’s presidential campaign, the Democratic National Committee and Obama’s Organizing for America – is the same Washington, D.C., lawyer defending President Obama in lawsuits challenging his eligibility to be president.

Palin has nothing to say until she shows her high school diploma.

They bring the birther issue up because they don’t think they can win by running on the issues.

HostileLogic said:
Obama spends a fortune to prevent anyone from seeing his Long Form Birth Certificate.

And here it is again. Please show these numbers. You all talk about them but on one can show any evidence.

mibwilso said:
They bring the birther issue up because they don’t think they can win by running on the issues.

Like trillions in debt, and not keeping A SINGLE campaign promise??? Adopting ALL of Bush’s “failed policies”? LOL. Socialism and union thuggery??? Growing government workers to not just double manufacturing jobs, but TRIPLE, for his next 4 years??? ROFLMAO. Those issues??? Your campaign slush funds laundered through the unions are gonna put a crimp in the liberal’s constant class warfare politics. The new “aggrieved” class are the taxpayers in this country. Aggrieved at the race-baiter, class warfare thieving moochers on the left.

ellie said:
And here it is again. Please show these numbers. You all talk about them but on one can show any evidence.

And that is good enough for the sheep to believe he hides his past for free.

im_lovin_it said:
That’s a good question and it needs to be investigated!! What is Sarah Palin hiding?!!

It’s the small brain “some say” Fox mentality.

ndanielson said:
And that is good enough for the sheep to believe he hides his past for free.

The poster sometimes known as “ellie” can’t see my post above. Her partisan goggles must be all foggy, today.

ndanielson said:
And that is good enough for the sheep to believe he hides his past for free.

No it just proves yer full of chit.

glenn113 said:
Palin has nothing to say until she shows her high school diploma.

When did Obama show his, hypocrite?

Does this dress make her anterior cingulate cortex look big?

Two losers, a failed governor and national joke and a woman who is a “judge” whose husband was in prison for tax evasion and hanging out with the Mafia, who was paying her limo driver when she was the D.A. over a hundred thousand dollars a year and was the highest paid government employee in the state of NY, and a person who dropped out of the Senate race against Hillary Clinton after one week because she said it was “hard”. Fox News is a sad joke.

It’s not just a birth certificate issue libbies, it’s a whole hidden past. Go Donald Trump. A great read on the issue, from people actually involved in investigating the fraud, 0bama. http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35298

Jaurez said:
The poster sometimes known as “ellie” can’t see my post above. Her partisan goggles must be all foggy, today.

Yes, she is a government mooch, probably her whole life. The courts have been feeding her clients to run her scam, so I’m sure she can’t see past a government teat if she tried.

Palin and the Donald are either both playing politics or they are both totally as dumb as a stick. A third grader can read the evidence and KNOW that President Obama was born in Hawaii. As a Republican I say , this total ignorance disqualifies both of them even from running as dog catcher of their city as far as I am concerned. Even my 9 year old great grandniece KNOWS President Obama was born in Hawaii because she has a birth certificate just like President Obama’s!

I was born to two Catholics and baptized one. To this day they consider me Catholic. I consider myself atheist. I have been asked on some questionaires what my religion is and I have said atheist. If my parents were asked what religion I was they would say Catholic. Just because you are born something does not mean that is what you consider yourself as an adult. Jeez.

Now you will say no, we want to know if he is a natural born citizen. Don’t you people realize if this could be a proven fact that he was born in Kenya, that Hillary or McCain would have found this out with all their recources? JHC, Bill Clinton was a former President who has to still have connections all over. If she could have proved him not to be an American citizen (as Michell in Utah loves to point out she was the original birther) it would have been done. Get a grip, get a life, get a real candidate and get some real issues to debate.

When I was 16 and ready to get my drivers license I needed a BC to prove I was the age of 16. My mother could not find it and we had to send away for one. I recieve a certificate of live birth and they accepted it as proof of age.

Then a few years ago I had to get a passport and once again I could not locate my BC and sent away for one. Again I recieved a certificate of live birth and once again it was accepted.

Color Me Badd said:
Two losers, a failed governor and national joke and a woman who is a “judge” whose husband was in prison for tax evasion and hanging out with the Mafia, who was paying her limo driver when she was the D.A. over a hundred thousand dollars a year and was the highest paid government employee in the state of NY, and a person who dropped out of the Senate race against Hillary Clinton after one week because she said it was “hard”. Fox News is a sad joke.

The real joke was a Kloppenberg victory in WI! The people have spoken, let the slush funds dry up!

writer said:
Does this dress make her anterior cingulate cortex look big?

The liberal posts do.

mari2JJ says:

You’re a republican and I’m John Wayne.

im_lovin_it said:
CHALLENGE: Show me the verifiable documents that reveal the dollar amount spent by Barack Obama or his campaign on legal expenses to prevent the release of Obama’s “real” birth certificate.

Lawyers working for nothing?

You can’t make this kind of sh!t up, either.

mari2JJ said:
Even my 9 year old great grandniece KNOWS President Obama was born in Hawaii because she has a birth certificate just like President Obama’s!

And what more proof does a liberal sheep need than the affirmation of her 9 year old grandniece? I bet your grandniece is down with 0bama’s non-war for a non-victory in Libya, too?

Repugnant creature. I never should have encouraged humans to breed.

ellie said:
And here it is again. Please show these numbers. You all talk about them but on one can show any evidence.

Do you geniuses think lawyers work for free?

When God was throwing intelligence down to the Earth, did you have a deathgrip on your umbrella?

mari2JJ said:
As a Republican I say , this total ignorance disqualifies both of them even from running as dog catcher of their city as far as I am concerned. Even my 9 year old great grandniece KNOWS President Obama was born in Hawaii because she has a birth certificate just like President Obama’s!

Dang, your anterior cingulate cortex must have never developed properly.

HostileLogic said:
Do you geniuses think lawyers work for free?

Especially when there must be armies of them to scrub an entire lifetime of history! http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35298

Even Fox acknowledges that Beck was a liability and credits the left for helping bring him down!
Thanks Fox! http://tinyurl.com/3lflstd

ndanielson said:
Yes, she is a government mooch, probably her whole life. The courts have been feeding her clients to run her scam, so I’m sure she can’t see past a government teat if she tried.

Got anything to back up these claims small brain?

ellie said:
Even Fox acknowledges that Beck was a liability and credits the left for helping bring him down!Thanks Fox! P>

Wrong topic, but since you brought him up, Beck will be on FOXN tomorrow at 5pm…

ellie said:
Even Fox acknowledges that Beck was a liability and credits the left for helping bring him down!
Thanks Fox! http://tinyurl.com/3lflstd

Beck brought us Van Jones, Anita Dunn and the CPUSA, not to mention 0bama’s “safe school czar”? I never knew a thing about any of them. Thank you Glenn Beck. But the left embraces socialism, communism, and pedophiles in our schools huh, Ellen?

Van Jones: http://biggovernment.com/taylorking/2011/04/01/911-cheerleader-and-cop-killer-supporter-van-jones-to-sit-on-corporate-boards/

Anita Dunn: Chariman Mao was one of her favorite philosophers: http://www.pekingduck.org/2009/10/anita-dunn-names-mao-zedong-her-favorite-philosopher/

Kevin Jennings: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/23/critics-assail-obamas-safe-schools-czar-say-hes-wrong-man-job/

HostileLogic said:
Do you geniuses think lawyers work for free?

When God was throwing intelligence down to the Earth, did you have a deathgrip on your umbrella?

I’m asking for numbers. For 3 years now you pea brains having been saying $2 million so far. You number hasn’t changed but the years keep passing. Show me something. FACTS! I know that concept is foreign to you but changing the argument to … do you think lawyers work for free? isn’t going to cut it. FACTS! please.

I won’t accept you moving to goal post. I want proof.

ellie said:
Got anything to back up these claims small brain?

As much proof as 0bama has shown that he is competent, let alone eligible to be POTUS, why, ellen? Who sends clients to your alcohol treatment scam, ellen?

skoorbekim said:
Wrong topic, but since you brought him up, Beck will be on FOXN tomorrow at 5pm…

Enjoy it while you can. And once again I’d like to thank Fox for giving us lefties the credit we deserve.

ellie said:
Enjoy it while you can. And once again I’d like to thank Fox for giving us lefties the credit we deserve.

you go book burner

You know the Donald there, he is but also I’d just like to say like we do there in Alaska that if it is an but therefore there are things that ya know, like the birth certificate thingy that we do need to say such is unAmerican as it is too.

ellie said:
I’m asking for numbers. For 3 years now you pea brains having been saying $2 million so far. You number hasn’t changed but the years keep passing. Show me something. FACTS! I know that concept is foreign to you but changing the argument to … do you think lawyers work for free? isn’t going to cut it. FACTS! please.

I won’t accept you moving to goal post. I want proof.

I see from your facebook you hang around the GlennBunnyClown? AKA Koldys. LOL. No wonder you are such a lost cause as a grandmother. LMAO. You got little spoiled grand kids askin’ where’s my piece of free cheese from the evil rich. LOL. Now hurry up and scrub your shameful past, quick, ellen!

ellie said:
Enjoy it while you can. And once again I’d like to thank Fox for giving us lefties the credit we deserve.

Thank FOXN by tuning in tomorrow at 5…

ndanielson said:
As much proof as 0bama has shown that he is competent, let alone eligible to be POTUS, why, ellen? Who sends clients to your alcohol treatment scam, ellen?

I don”t work in alcohol treatment, genius. I’m a Hospice and elder caregiver. And nothing to back up your lies. What a surprise. Honesty is not the rights strong suit by a mile.

ellie said:
Enjoy it while you can. And once again I’d like to thank Fox for giving us lefties the credit we deserve.

Glackin and fixednews clown, too. LOL. Quite the circle you hang with.

ellie said:
I don”t work in alcohol treatment, genius. I’m a Hospice and elder caregiver. And nothing to back up your lies. What a surprise. Honesty is not the rights strong suit by a mile.

Union?

cjd ohio 1 said:
you go book burner

aw someone needs a {{{hug}}}.

ndanielson said:
I see from your facebook you hang around the GlennBunnyClown? AKA Koldys.

Haven’t a clue what you’re talking about. But thanks for caring enough to go to my facebook page. I’ve got one on myspace too. also have a Twitter account.

ellie said:
aw someone needs a {{{hug}}}.

not from you, you are to violent for me book burner

ndanielson said:
Glackin and fixednews clown, too. LOL. Quite the circle you hang with.

All large brained i’m sure.

skoorbekim said:
Union?

Nope. But I come from a strong union family and I’m proud of it.

mari2JJ said:
Even my 9 year old great grandniece KNOWS President Obama was born in Hawaii because she has a birth certificate just like President Obama’s!

Then I would strongly advise you to go to Vitalchek.com and apply for a real birth certificate for her because I recently went through three weeks a crap helping my sister renew her VA drivers license after the DMV rejected her COLB as proof of identity. She was born in NJ, married in Ohio, divorced in VA. Moved to VA when she was three, lived her all her life, got her first VA drivers license at age 16 using her hospital issued COLB, at age 21 when she moved to Ohio and got married, was divorced due to abuse three years later, moved back to VA renewed her Va drivers license using the same COLB, moved to SC for three year but did not need a license because she was using public transportation, moved back to VA and attemped to renew her expired VA license but was turned down because the new laws since 9/11 no longer allow a hospital issued COLB to be used for official ID purposes. It cost three weeks time and $55 to get a copy of her marriage license and a copy of her long form birth certificate to renew a license in the Viginia where she has actually HAD a VA license for a total of 31 years, her picture and previous license/driving record including her picture was on the DMV computer and she had her expired drivers license in her hand, and two bills with her name and address on them but they REFUSED to accept a COLB as proof of identity. If her COLB is not sufficient to get a drivers license RENEWED in the same state where she has already had a drivers license for 31 years, then don’t ask me to believe a computer generated COLB released in THREE different forms is sufficient to prove Obama is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!

There is absolutely NO reason on earth for him to have sealed every single record of every single school he attended and every single job he has held unless he is hiding something very important. And there is no down side to every single American insisting that he show his records just as Obama via SR 511 asked McCain to prove his natural born status.

ellie said:
Nope. But I come from a strong union family and I’m proud of it.

Family of Public Employee Unions?

skoorbekim said:
Family of Public Employee Unions?

With big anterior cingulate cortexes. Just ask her. Maybe they were the proud UAW union that drove the auto industry into socialism.

falling said:
then don’t ask me to believe a computer generated COLB

When I first applied for my Passport I was turned away because my COLB did not have a proper seal… I had to bring back my hospital BC and long form…

ndanielson said:
With big anterior cingulate cortexes. Just ask her. Maybe they were the proud UAW union that drove the auto industry into socialism.

I’m too scared///

ndanielson said:
With big anterior cingulate cortexes. Just ask her. Maybe they were the proud UAW union that drove the auto industry into socialism.

We all know where your “cingulate” cortex is located and it’s not in the micro-cephalic cranium of yours.

skoorbekim said:
Wrong topic, but since you brought him up, Beck will be on FOXN tomorrow at 5pm…

He’s on tour this week, but he’ll still be on the radio. He’ll be back on TV next week, getting the highest ratings at the 5pm timeslot. Why is a failure like him going on tour while doing his radio show (which is the 3rd most listened to radio program in America)? Clearly, Beck is on his way to obscurity.

Calvin said:
He’s on tour this week, but he’ll still be on the radio. He’ll be back on TV next week, getting the highest ratings at the 5pm timeslot. Why is a failure like him going on tour while doing his radio show (which is the 3rd most listened to radio program in America)? Clearly, Beck is on his way to obscurity.

Because a freak show draws a crowd? Just a guess.

Calvin said:
He’s on tour this week, but he’ll still be on the radio. He’ll be back on TV next week, getting the highest ratings at the 5pm timeslot. Why is a failure like him going on tour while doing his radio show (which is the 3rd most listened to radio program in America)? Clearly, Beck is on his way to obscurity.

Thanks…
I know he also takes time off for Easter…

oops! Hawaii official denounces ‘ludicrous’ birther claims

http://tinyurl.com/42atsj6

ndanielson said:
ellie said:
I’m asking for numbers. For 3 years now you pea brains having been saying $2 million so far. You number hasn’t changed but the years keep passing. Show me something. FACTS! I know that concept is foreign to you but changing the argument to … do you think lawyers work for free? isn’t going to cut it. FACTS! please.
I won’t accept you moving to goal post. I want proof.

What will you accept as proof? Obama for America, (now called Organizing for America after having merged with the DNC at the end of Jan 2008) Obama’s campaign PAC is legally required to release a quarterly statement detailing it’s financial records. And according to FEC records, the PAC has been paying international law firm Perkins Coie a monthly retainer since July of 2007, the month Obama formed his presidential exploratory committee… this is completely normal as all candidates need a law firm to make sure things remain kosher during their campaign. What is NOT normal is that since his inauguration, Obama for America has paid international law firm Perkins Coie exactly $1,666,397.01 (with a total of $2.6 million from the date he first formed his presidential exploratory committee) as of the release of their Jan. 22, 2011 disclosure forms. Perkins Coie is the law firm that has represented Obama in each of the “birther” cases, so it would be reasonable to assume that Obama has paid Perkins Coie somewhere in the neighborhood of $1 -1.5 million dollars to keep his records from being unsealed by the courts, with the rest being spent on retainer and misc. fees involved with the campaign.

If you want more “proof” look the information up yourself…as you well know, Obama HAS done everything in his power, including paying a law firm, to keep his life’s records from being unsealed. It would be very unreasonable to assume he has gotten that legal defense for free.

skoorbekim said:
Thanks…
I know he also takes time off for Easter…

Pretty sure that Easter is the time he goes totally blind only to regain it. Makes sense when you think about it.

ellie said:
Nope. But I come from a strong union family and I’m proud of it.

Nothing at all wrong with a good, strong, private sector union, but public section unions should be declared illegal and gotten rid of in all 50 states. It is absolutely ludicrous to allow elected officials to negotiate pay and benefits with the very people who donate funds to their election campaign coffers. This has led to unsustainable promises being made to the public sector unions by elected officials who have left office by the time those promises need to be (and cannot be) fulfilled. Public sector employees should be paid and receive benefits equal to the average equivalent position if it were held in the private sector instead of being “negotiated” between a politician and his largest donors. This goes for EITHER party because BOTH are guilty!

ellie said:
Nope. But I come from a strong union family and I’m proud of it.

How much are the unions paying you for trolling and spreading lies? Sorass too! Oh you are such a proud person aren’t you? LOL

jo hoochie said:
How much are the unions paying you for trolling and spreading lies? Sorass too! Oh you are such a proud person aren’t you? LOL

oops! Hawaii official denounces ‘ludicrous’ birther claims

http://tinyurl.com/42atsj6

falling said:
What will you accept as proof? Obama for America, (now called Organizing for America after having merged with the DNC at the end of Jan 2008) Obama’s campaign PAC is legally required to release a quarterly statement detailing it’s financial records. And according to FEC records, the PAC has been paying international law firm Perkins Coie a monthly retainer since July of 2007, the month Obama formed his presidential exploratory committee… this is completely normal as all candidates need a law firm to make sure things remain kosher during their campaign. What is NOT normal is that since his inauguration, Obama for America has paid international law firm Perkins Coie exactly $1,666,397.01 (with a total of $2.6 million from the date he first formed his presidential exploratory committee) as of the release of their Jan. 22, 2011 disclosure forms. Perkins Coie is the law firm that has represented Obama in each of the “birther” cases, so it would be reasonable to assume that Obama has paid Perkins Coie somewhere in the neighborhood of $1 -1.5 million dollars to keep his records from being unsealed by the courts, with the rest being spent on retainer and misc. fees involved with the campaign.

If you want more “proof” look the information up yourself…as you well know, Obama HAS done everything in his power, including paying a law firm, to keep his life’s records from being unsealed. It would be very unreasonable to assume he has gotten that legal defense for free.

oops! Hawaii official denounces ‘ludicrous’ birther claims

http://tinyurl.com/42atsj6

glenn113 said:
Palin has nothing to say until she shows her high school diploma.

OH I LIKE THIS!!!!!!! I bet Palin and every other Republican candidate would happily show their diploma, high school AND college, work records, any marriage, divorce, and birth records the media might ask for! You may have come up with the best idea yet! Let’s see everyone’s OFFICIAL records…Trump has already led the way by releasing both his COLB and his long form birth certificate! Obama is still fighting the release of his records all the way back to his birth…including his kindgergarten records…how odd is that?!

ellie said:
oops! Hawaii official denounces ‘ludicrous’ birther claims
http://tinyurl.com/42atsj6

Cool! So it will be a simple thing for Obama to ask them to release those records to the public! When is he going to do so? It is going to be fun finding out everything about the man sitting in the White House…I for one am really curious as to when he changed his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama…or perhaps he simply changed it BACK to BHO? Surely he will be unsealing everything soon? And of course he will be extending a massive apology to the man he had put in Leavenworth rather than release all these wonderful records which will PROVE beyond doubt that he is a natural born citizen and has actually lived, been educated, worked, been adopted, been born etc…exactly where and when he said he was!

ellie said:
Even Fox acknowledges that Beck was a liability and credits the left for helping bring him down!Thanks Fox! http://tinyurl.com/3lflstd

How odd, because Beck and Fox are going to continue to work together after he leaves the 5 pm slot. In fact, Beck says that the left is going to be wishing he were safely back in that 5 pm slot in very short order! I believe him!

falling said:
Cool! So it will be a simple thing for Obama to ask them to release those records to the public! When is he going to do so? It is going to be fun finding out everything about the man sitting in the White House…I for one am really curious as to when he changed his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama…or perhaps he simply changed it BACK to BHO? Surely he will be unsealing everything soon? And of course he will be extending a massive apology to the man he had put in Leavenworth rather than release all these wonderful records which will PROVE beyond doubt that he is a natural born citizen and has actually lived, been educated, worked, been adopted, been born etc…exactly where and when he said he was!

Even tho you’re paranoid that doesn’t mean they’re not out to get cha!

falling said:
How odd, because Beck and Fox are going to continue to work together after he leaves the 5 pm slot. In fact, Beck says that the left is going to be wishing he were safely back in that 5 pm slot in very short order! I believe him!

Beck says a lot of things … but even Fox knows he’s toast.

falling said:
Cool! So it will be a simple thing for Obama to ask them to release those records to the public! When is he going to do so? It is going to be fun finding out everything about the man sitting in the White House…I for one am really curious as to when he changed his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama…or perhaps he simply changed it BACK to BHO? Surely he will be unsealing everything soon? And of course he will be extending a massive apology to the man he had put in Leavenworth rather than release all these wonderful records which will PROVE beyond doubt that he is a natural born citizen and has actually lived, been educated, worked, been adopted, been born etc…exactly where and when he said he was!

Didn’t read the article did you. Typical.

“But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.”

“But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.

” ‘It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

“But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.”

ellie said:
oops! Hawaii official denounces ‘ludicrous’ birther claims

http://tinyurl.com/42atsj6

NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Obama should produce the document and ask the State of Hawaii to produce the document.

ellie said:
oops! Hawaii official denounces ‘ludicrous’ birther claims

http://tinyurl.com/42atsj6

NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Obama should produce the document and ask the State of Hawaii to produce the document.

falling said:
Cool! So it will be a simple thing for Obama to ask them to release those records to the public! When is he going to do so? It is going to be fun finding out everything about the man sitting in the White House…I for one am really curious as to when he changed his name from Barry Soetoro to Barack Hussein Obama…or perhaps he simply changed it BACK to BHO? Surely he will be unsealing everything soon? And of course he will be extending a massive apology to the man he had put in Leavenworth rather than release all these wonderful records which will PROVE beyond doubt that he is a natural born citizen and has actually lived, been educated, worked, been adopted, been born etc…exactly where and when he said he was!

Correct. Obama should quit withholding information.

ellie said:
“But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.

” ‘It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

“But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.”

Then change the law. It’s a Constitutional requirement for there to be proof. Why is Obama hiding it?

ellie said:
Even Fox acknowledges that Beck was a liability and credits the left for helping bring him down!Thanks Fox! http://tinyurl.com/3lflstd

Your link is just some left and right wing FOX related commentators taking their best guess at why Beck is leaving FOX. It is absolutely NOT FOX acknowleding that Beck was a liability or FOX crediting the left with helping bring him down. BTW, only SOME of the commentators agreed with your assessment. I think all of their differing ideas are partially correct and I also think Beck has outgrown his timeslot and we will be seeing a lot more of him in the future…guess only time will tell!

ellie said:
Didn’t read the article did you. Typical.

“But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.”

You must be very upset with Obama, then. Obama, through the Axelrod of Evil, worked hard to get at Jack Ryan’s divorce papers when they were running for the Senate.

I’m sure Obama was aghast when they were able to get them released.

Just face it, Obama is hiding something. I used to ignore this issue but with the Left going so berserk over it, there must be something to it.

Alz said:
NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Obama should produce the document and ask the State of Hawaii to produce the document.

But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.

“It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.

Alz said:
Correct. Obama should quit withholding information.

But Wisch, the spokesman for the attorney general’s office, said state law does not in fact permit the release of “vital records,” including an original “record of live birth” — even to the individual whose birth it records.

“It’s a Department of Health record and it can’t be released to anybody,” he said. Nor do state laws have any provision that authorizes such records to be photocopied, Wisch said. If Obama wanted to personally visit the state health department, he would be permitted to inspect his birth record, Wisch said.

But if he or anybody else wanted a copy of their birth records, they would be told to fill out the appropriate state form and receive back the same computer generated “certification of live birth” form that everybody else gets — which is exactly what Obama did four years ago.

Alz said:
You must be very upset with Obama, then. Obama, through the Axelrod of Evil, worked hard to get at Jack Ryan’s divorce papers when they were running for the Senate.

I’m sure Obama was aghast when they were able to get them released.

Just face it, Obama is hiding something. I used to ignore this issue but with the Left going so berserk over it, there must be something to it.

When shown to be an idiot …. change the subject.

falling said:
Your link is just some left and right wing FOX related commentators taking their best guess at why Beck is leaving FOX. It is absolutely NOT FOX acknowleding that Beck was a liability or FOX crediting the left with helping bring him down. BTW, only SOME of the commentators agreed with your assessment. I think all of their differing ideas are partially correct and I also think Beck has outgrown his timeslot and we will be seeing a lot more of him in the future…guess only time will tell!

This “ellie” is not interested in finding the truth or making things better. Her goal is to elevate Liberalism and to tear down America. You have to come at it from this angle because when you (you , me or anyone) assume that she will assimilate facts into her opinion so as to seek the truth, then we are mistaken.

These types of liberals are not like us. Logic bounces off them and no matter how carefully we try to explain our position, she won’t care.

The Modern Liberal belief system is not based on making things better.

That doesn’t mean to stop writing here, but you have to include the people more in the middle so they can see how goofy the liberals are – this is the real goal.

ellie said:
When shown to be an idiot …. change the subject.

or leave the thread, like you did on larry odonnell

ellie said:
When shown to be an idiot …. change the subject.

No, don’t make things up. You are citing the law as an impediment to releasing the document(s). I’m pointing out that Obama didn’t seem to want to be bound by the letter or spirit of the law in a similar situation.

I typed that slow so you could get it.

cjd ohio 1 said:
or leave the thread, like you did on larry odonnell

I’ve told you before …. how can I miss you when you won’t go away. Quit being so needy.

Alz said:
Then change the law. It’s a Constitutional requirement for there to be proof. Why is Obama hiding it?

LOL too much! Keep it coming!

ellie said:
I’ve told you before …. how can I miss you when you won’t go away. Quit being so needy.

lol, i love it when self rightous people like you get stumped

Alz said:
I typed that slow so you could get it.

LOL Keep it coming!

cjd ohio 1 said:
lol, i love it when self rightous people like you get stumped

You couldn’t stump me if I’d had a lobotomy!

ellie said:
You couldn’t stump me if I’d had a lobotomy!

then go back and finish the thread ms. self rightous, why didnt larry help his friend with his own money, but he wants to give government money lol

cjd ohio 1 said:
then go back and finish the thread ms. self rightous, why didnt larry help his friend with his own money, but he wants to give government money lol

on the left, charity is giving other peoples money away lol

cjd ohio 1 said:
hen go back and finish the thread ms. self rightous, why didnt larry help his friend with his own money, but he wants to give government money lol

I have no idea what Larry did or didn’t do and why. Do I look like his spokesperson? Send him an email and ask him. *sheesh*

ellie said:
I have no idea what Larry did or didn’t do and why. Do I look like his spokesperson? Send him an email and ask him. *sheesh*

oh, you acted like it yesterday, so it seems your lobotomy went well lol, stick to your birther stuff, you are not ready for prime time

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35298

Peter F. Geithner (father of Obama’s Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner), worked for the Ford Foundation and oversaw the work of Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, while she was developing “microfinance programs” in Indonesia. In brief, Obama’s mother set up a large loan system in Indonesia akin to the savings and loan structure of the 1970s and 1980s. To gain a better understanding of her activities in finance, despite her background in anthropology, recall the BCCI scandal of the late 1970s. In fact, some of the same “players” who existed then continue to exist in Obama’s circles.

cjd ohio 1 said:
oh, you acted like it yesterday

I acted like it? Evidence please.

Journalism professor: former Palin flack trying to kill birth hoax discussion

http://tinyurl.com/3qvroa9

ellie said:
I acted like it? Evidence please. Journalism professor: former Palin flack trying to kill birth hoax discussion http://tinyurl.com/3qvroa9

evidence= the thread, read it lol

ellie said:
I acted like it? Evidence please.

Journalism professor: former Palin flack trying to kill birth hoax discussion

http://tinyurl.com/3qvroa9

Joe Klein, is that you buddy?

cjd ohio 1 said:
evidence= the thread, read it lol

I acted like I knew what O”Donnell did and didn’t do and why? Evidence please.

Why can’t Barry release his BC?

ellie said:
I acted like I knew what O”Donnell did and didn’t do and why? Evidence please.

if you think i am going to cut and paste your comments from the other thread, you did have a lobotomy, others will read the thread, and see you are now lying

ellie said:
Even tho you’re paranoid that doesn’t mean they’re not out to get cha!

LOL The first thing you have said that I agree with! So Obama IS going to be releasing his records? ALL of the records he has had sealed? BTW, did you know that HI just changed to issuing the COLB similar to the one Obama released during the campaign last year? Fortunately for WND and a few other places investigating Obama they had people born in HI request their own long form and receive it so we do know what one looks like. And did you know that until last year HI did not accept a COLB as proof of citizenship themselves? It is funny what money will buy.

I figure the whole truth will come out eventually, but in my eyes Obama will always be scum after he allowed a very good man to be sent to Leavenworth instead of just releasing his records. Lt Col Lakin has now lost his hard earned position in the military, his very hard earned pension his family was counting on upon his retirement, and is spending time in jail all because Obama is so arrogant he thinks he is above question…and the judge decided a sitting “president” would be embarrassed by what would show up should his life’s history be unsealed by the courts.

peterverkooijen said:
Please stop the birther nonsense. Obama is a typical American red diaper baby, born in Hawaii. His Kenyan dad had almost nothing to do with his life, despite the Dreams From My Father mythmaking.

Barack Obama is the son of white communist student from Kansas. Like most marxists at the time 18-year old Ann Dunham idolized the Third World as vanguard of the Revolution and hooked up with the first African socialist she could get her hands on.

Obama Sr. had no reason to bring his pregnant Hawaiian bit-of-fun-on-the-side home with him to his wife and kids in Kenya. If Obama is hiding anything, it is the fact that he is the son of basically a white single mother.

What this means is that if abortion was as much of an option to an unwed mother as it is today then there is a good chance Barack Obama would have been a casualty of an abortion and we would have been deprived of a President.

Palin always was an idiot by posting chain letters on her FB page, including a particularly hateful Harold Estes one, but that she’s a Birther and supports Trump, she’s lost all credibility and respect as far as I’m concerned. And I’m not a democrat.

We had better all be birthers. Now and forever. When we allow someone to run for the highest office in our nation – we had better do our research and investigate their resume very closely. And if a candidate has gone above and beyond in …expense to hide the facts on themselves we should not accept that candidate’s request to run for ANY office in the United States of America. Here is a list of the biggest con men in US history:
Barrack H Obummer
Donald Trump
Frank Abignail

@Roxsteady:

Most of you who defend Palin are just as ignornat and uneducated as she is. You call a former Harvard Law Professor an idiot yet, you think a middle aged woman with birth control issues who writes on her hand should be President?

How silly, Many Palin supporters (myself included) have advanced degrees, have run businesses, created jobs, were also professors (actually, he was a lecturer and according to some reports, not a particularly good one) and Palin herself has a Bachelors degree, not uneducated at all. Is Obama an Idiot? Probably not, but his policies don’t seem to have been well crafted, and like many court jesters, when he should be at his desk, he is often out on a vacay. Uh, Obama is middle aged… and your point is? Oh, and deciding to exercise her choice is supposed to be what you folk on the left call for. You would deny that to her? No? Then why the snark? And lastly, making a note to herself on her hand seems like quick thinking if nothing else was available. Perhaps though it is entirely like many on the right who claim that all the Palin Bashing from the left is really an indicator of how frightened they are of this woman.

Sarah’s WAY better off when she keeps her big stupid mouth SHUT! Big shock that she’d jump on the ridiculous birther bandwagon! When is the Republican Partyy going to realize that this woman is nothing but a big-mouthed idiot and stop supporting her and talking her up. She’s as ignorant and useless as that dim-witted Michele Bachmann. Unfortunately she’s also got just as big a mouth backed by NO knowledge! I’m not surprised at the support either of them gets from the super-conservative Republicans or the moronic Tea Partyers. These people are the REAL dangers to America. Have none of them gotten the fact that the whole aim is to shrink Government and limit its power so the corporations can get stronger and carry on their rape of the country. Terrorists have NOTHING on these extremist wingnuts as far as being a danger to this country. Listen to ANY of these people carefully and you’ll see there is absolutely NO substance being presented, only a desire to topple the status quo, with NOTHING to replace it with. We desperately need to use our voting power to keep these people OUT of Government office. There are too many that got passed through in November and those who put them in are already seeing the consequences, such as the destruction of collective bargaining for public workers. Do ANY of these idiots realize what’s really happening and what the real agenda is? These offshoot groups were CREATED by the Republican party for exactly the purpose they’re serving. They want nothing more than to dismantle the regulations that keep their greed and selfishness in check. Wake up, you morons. You’re nothing but pawns and you WILL be sorry if this continues. If you want a clue, read a little George Orwell (“Animal Farm” & “1984″) and you’ll see where they want to take this country! Believe it! It’s already happening!

cjd ohio 1 said:
if you think i am going to cut and paste your comments from the other thread, you did have a lobotomy, others will read the thread, and see you are now lying

That’s what I thought. No evidence … just projection.

ellie said:
That’s what I thought. No evidence … just projection.

lol, what a fool

falling said:
LOL The first thing you have said that I agree with! So Obama IS going to be releasing his records? ALL of the records he has had sealed? BTW, did you know that HI just changed to issuing the COLB similar to the one Obama released during the campaign last year? Fortunately for WND and a few other places investigating Obama they had people born in HI request their own long form and receive it so we do know what one looks like. And did you know that until last year HI did not accept a COLB as proof of citizenship themselves? It is funny what money will buy.

I figure the whole truth will come out eventually, but in my eyes Obama will always be scum after he allowed a very good man to be sent to Leavenworth instead of just releasing his records. Lt Col Lakin has now lost his hard earned position in the military, his very hard earned pension his family was counting on upon his retirement, and is spending time in jail all because Obama is so arrogant he thinks he is above question…and the judge decided a sitting “president” would be embarrassed by what would show up should his life’s history be unsealed by the courts.

Try reading it. All of it.

Hawaii official denounces ‘ludicrous’ birther claims

http://tinyurl.com/42atsj6

Who the Hell IS Sarah Palin anyway? Think about it. All she REALLY is is a useless mouthpiece for extremist groups who had exactly ONE legislative position and couldn’t even work up enough interest to fulfill its full term. I’m speaking, of course, about her half-term as Governor of Alaska. Other than that, look what ELSE she’s done: Making a gazillion dollars on speaking engagements and writing autobiographies, plus serving as host on her own (failed) TV show. Is she really as qualified to run for President as Obama was when HE ran? I think not! Nor is that dull-witted twit Michelle Bachmann. They’re two peas in the same pod of utter ignorance who have NOTHING to offer this country but their BIG MOUTHS. I wish the media would stop doting on their every word and reporting it as “news” when they should be simply ignoring them. Look what the coverage did for their fellow wingnut Rev. Terry Jones! Got a number of people killed with his fanaticism! What are they setting us up for NEXT in America, concentration camps?

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Sarah Palin threads sure bring out the loons… ^

Gasket said:
I don’t think they care. Their job is to protect Obama. You know when Ahmadinejad (virulent anti-American) visits the US he’s protected by the Secret Service right? The Atlantic had a nice story on them a few months ago. You should read it. Pretty cool.

With Obama, we’re still in Afghanistan and Iraq. You don’t think the fact that to Muslims he is a heretic adds more fuel to the fire? I have faith in our Secret Service, but I still pray for the President’s safety.

Thanks for pointing out that story. Pretty cool, indeed.

idesign said:
Sarah Palin threads sure bring out the loons… ^

Brought out you didn’t it.

Sarah sure knows a lot about having stuff rammed down throats…

I think that the American people who have any self-respect will boycott NBC and any product sponsors of any show that is affliated with Donald Trump.

We should not have to be searching for birth certificates.

The Constitution has age & citizenship requirements for the offices of President, Representative & Senator. I find it UNBELIEVEABLE to me that candidates for office are not required by Federal law to present bona fide credentials to election committees of each state before their names can be placed on the ballot that prove these requirements are met.

I believe Congress must pass a law requiring candidates for office to provide original birth certificate and citizenship papers to the election official of each state before their name can be put on the ballot. This law must be passed before next year’s primaries begin.

Candidates should have to provide these records themselves. We should not have to be searching them out for him or her.

Fox News Hides Video of Sarah Palin Blasting John Boehner’s Budget Deal:

http://www.politicususa.com/en/fox-sarah-palin-boehner

WCinWI said:
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/35298

Peter F. Geithner (father of Obama’s Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner), worked for the Ford Foundation and oversaw the work of Obama’s mother, Ann Dunham, while she was developing “microfinance programs” in Indonesia. In brief, Obama’s mother set up a large loan system in Indonesia akin to the savings and loan structure of the 1970s and 1980s. To gain a better understanding of her activities in finance, despite her background in anthropology, recall the BCCI scandal of the late 1970s. In fact, some of the same “players” who existed then continue to exist in Obama’s circles.

Wow, that is a major bombshell. It’s amazing how these liberals have their tentacles in all sorts of things. Gross.

Verist said:
We should not have to be searching for birth certificates.

The Constitution has age & citizenship requirements for the offices of President, Representative & Senator. I find it UNBELIEVEABLE to me that candidates for office are not required by Federal law to present bona fide credentials to election committees of each state before their names can be placed on the ballot that prove these requirements are met.

I believe Congress must pass a law requiring candidates for office to provide original birth certificate and citizenship papers to the election official of each state before their name can be put on the ballot. This law must be passed before next year’s primaries begin.

Candidates should have to provide these records themselves. We should not have to be searching them out for him or her.

Look, we’re dealing with liberals here.

Besides wondering how Obama got in without presenting his bona fides, one has to wonder how the Democratic Party itself allowed someone like him to even run. He has very little experience. You can see that he is ignorant of business and his background is so sketchy.

Just by who he hung with, he wouldn’t be able to get a normal security clearance.

But these types of liberals only care about power and they think the Constitution is in their way. I think Obama himself says it has “negative rights” in it.

The system never contemplated having people who were anti-American running things.

If there is a God, She won’t let Palin run for President in 2012. Please, don’t let her get the nomination. Pleasepleasepleasepleaseplease.

mbwisper said:
Who the Hell IS Sarah Palin anyway? Think about it. All she REALLY is is a useless mouthpiece for extremist groups who had exactly ONE legislative position and couldn’t even work up enough interest to fulfill its full term. I’m speaking, of course, about her half-term as Governor of Alaska. Other than that, look what ELSE she’s done: Making a gazillion dollars on speaking engagements and writing autobiographies, plus serving as host on her own (failed) TV show. Is she really as qualified to run for President as Obama was when HE ran? I think not! Nor is that dull-witted twit Michelle Bachmann. They’re two peas in the same pod of utter ignorance who have NOTHING to offer this country but their BIG MOUTHS. I wish the media would stop doting on their every word and reporting it as “news” when they should be simply ignoring them. Look what the coverage did for their fellow wingnut Rev. Terry Jones! Got a number of people killed with his fanaticism! What are they setting us up for NEXT in America, concentration camps?

Let’s compare her job as Governor with Obama as Senator. Palin was right to quit. She was clear that with the national exposure, that she wouldn’t be able to do the job as good as she wanted and that someone who could devote their full energies to the job should be Governor.

Now I live in Illinois. No sooner had Obama won the Senate seat, did he start running for President. He was an absent Senator for Illinois. He screwed Illinois. He should have quit for the sake of the People of Illinois. Instead, he was selfish.

Alz said:
Let’s compare her job as Governor with Obama as Senator. Palin was right to quit. She was clear that with the national exposure, that she wouldn’t be able to do the job as good as she wanted and that someone who could devote their full energies to the job should be Governor.

Excuse me. Palin quit after her and McCain lost the election.

Why are we looking for glorious leaders birf certifke? The tsunami washed away Obama’s birth certficate, forcing Gov. Abercrombie to give up on investigation.

the real john t said:
Excuse me. Palin quit after her and McCain lost the election.

Exactly. She felt it was her time and she did what was right; Obama screwed the people of Illinois.

Alz said:
Exactly. She felt it was her time and she did what was right;

Palin was still Gov. while she was running for VP. McCain didn’t quit his Senate seat.

the real john t said:
Palin was still Gov. while she was running for VP. McCain didn’t quit his Senate seat.

She was running for VP for a few months, Obama had just started a SIX year term.

As for McCain, he probably should have stepped aside.

The issue is how Obama screwed the people of Illinois.

Alz said:
The issue is how Obama screwed the people of Illinois.

No, the article is about Palin and about Trump’s idiotic conspiracies.

the real john t said:
No, the article is about Palin and about Trump’s idiotic conspiracies.

Obama should just produce the document(s). Like i said earlier, it;s out of hand now. Obama had his chance YEARS ago and the people asking the questions now wouldn’t be getting any traction.

I think it WAS a distraction, but now I’m not so sure.

Alz said:
Obama should just produce the document(s). Like i said earlier, it;s out of hand now. Obama had his chance YEARS ago and the people asking the questions now wouldn’t be getting any traction.

Go read something and quit looking so ignorant.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics

the real john t said:
Go read something and quit looking so ignorant.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics

But that is what I was saying. It’s out of hand now. People want to SEE it.

For me, I think he was born here. I’m kind of buying into the theory that there is something embarrasing on it. One theory is that “White/Caucasian” is checked and/or his name is listed as “Barry.”

Regardless, too much time has passed and it should be produced.

the real john t said:
Go read something and quit looking so ignorant.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42519951/ns/politics-more_politics

(And yes, I read it.)

Alz said:
But that is what I was saying. It’s out of hand now. People want to SEE it.

It’s on the internet if they want to see it. No you didn’t read it or you would have read why they can’t see the long form or even the person can’t even get a photocopy of it.

Alz said:
But that is what I was saying. It’s out of hand now. People want to SEE it.

For me, I think he was born here. I’m kind of buying into the theory that there is something embarrasing on it. One theory is that “White/Caucasian” is checked and/or his name is listed as “Barry.”

Regardless, too much time has passed and it should be produced.

This conspiracy theory has more legs than a millipede. It’s the one thing that Wingnutz® can cling to until 2017.
It is a great barometer of where a person’s politics are and is one of the best weapons in the democratic toolbox. When all is said and done, the birth certificate conspiracy theory will go down in the history books as one of the best managed diversions ever run by a political party. Anyone, like Trump, who comes out and says “I don’t think he was born here” or “Show me the birth certificate” is immediately marginalized as a wacko.

This thing has been running for three or four years and more people fall for it than get Rickrolled….

the real john t said:
It’s on the internet if they want to see it. No you didn’t read it or you would have read why they can’t see the long form or even the person can’t even get a photocopy of it.

The real BC hasn’t been published. …just the one that anyone can get.

See the law in Hawaii: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM

Anyone can get a birth certificate!

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WHAT ARE YOU UP TO HONEY, OR SHOULD “I” SAY MRS. PALIN, OH WELL UNTILL YOU TILL MY FIELD,
I JASON BEEING OF SOUND MIND, “I” LIKE YOUR FIRST NAME, SO “I” GUESS THAT MEAN’S “I” LIKE YOU.
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Jason Michael Barry said:
I JASON BEEING OF SOUND MIND

Questionable I must say!

Alz said:
The real BC hasn’t been published. …just the one that anyone can get. See the law in Hawaii: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM Anyone can get a birth certificate!

Ahh so he must have just faked those newspaper articles then or maybe he’s parents phoned them in right?
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2009/Jul/28/ln/hawaii907280345.html
“Birthers wave off those birth announcements, saying that Obama family members 48 years ago could have phoned in false information to both newspapers. Such vital statistics, however, were not sent to the newspapers by the general public but by the Health Department, which received the information directly from hospitals, Okubo said.”
Aren’t you the one that says liberal’s have a mental illness? You might want to get yourself checked out for a conservative mental illness.

Alz said:
The real BC hasn’t been published. …just the one that anyone can get. See the law in Hawaii: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/vol06_ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0017_0008.HTM Anyone can get a birth certificate!

“Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.”
Basically what you are saying is that the hawaiian government is so corrupt that it can easily be bought and bribed to give out birthcertificates. That’s what it would require for your statement to be true. also, the newspaper article of his birth announcement was taken directly from hospital records, I guess the hospital must have been bought off as well.

Is it true that BO spent 2 million to keep it hidden? Just asking cause I have no clue. But wow, that would be telling. One, not showing it is one thing. Spending that $$ to keep it from being seen is as peculiar as it gets. And two, Tommy Christopher had an article up earlier explaining that he couldn’t show it by law even if he wanted to. If that’s the case, why would he have to spend all that $$ just to do something that was prevented by law anyway?

Just asking cause I dont know.

The Tea Weasel® said:
This conspiracy theory has more legs than a millipede. It’s the one thing that Wingnutz® can cling to until 2017.It is a great barometer of where a person’s politics are and is one of the best weapons in the democratic toolbox. When all is said and done, the birth certificate conspiracy theory will go down in the history books as one of the best managed diversions ever run by a political party. Anyone, like Trump, who comes out and says “I don’t think he was born here” or “Show me the birth certificate” is immediately marginalized as a wacko. This thing has been running for three or four years and more people fall for it than get Rickrolled….

Moron, I could see that being your party’s genious plan but in the end why would ANYONE be marginalized? So 5$ gas, adding to the worse defecit ever, refusing to cut spending, old and new wars still going on, Gitmo’s open, flip flopping on terror trials, ramming bills the majority dont want and every other issue we have are all of a sudden no longer fair game because someone had asked “Where’s your birth certificate?”

Steve_27 said:
Moron, I could see that being your party’s genious plan

LOL

LOL at Palin trying to have it BOTH WAYS.

Try harder sister.

You can’t say you believe he is a citizen, and then court your base by saying Trump has a point.

THAT NEGATES THE FIRST PART

LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!

I wonder what her next thought will be and when she’ll have it.

BETTER STAY TUNED TO FACEBOOK!!!!!

Just as it looks Obama might be defeated for the Presidency he’ll hold a press conference in Hawaii and hold up the original Hawaiian state record of his birth and invite all to examine it and photograph it. Then what will they say….Why did he wait so long? You birthers just can’t be pleased.

Keep those Birther comments coming, Republicans!
There’s no better way to insure Obama’s second term.

In fact, I think the 2012 Republican candidate’s slogan should be: AT LEAST I’M NOT A TERRORIST-LOVING, MUSLIM SOCIALIST BORN IN KENYA WHO HATES AMERICA AND ALL IT STANDS FOR.

Just lay it on the line and see how far that gets you.

Nationman said:
“Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.”
Basically what you are saying is that the hawaiian government is so corrupt that it can easily be bought and bribed to give out birthcertificates. That’s what it would require for your statement to be true. also, the newspaper article of his birth announcement was taken directly from hospital records, I guess the hospital must have been bought off as well.

I’m from Chicago. Stranger things happen all the time.

Obama should just immediately produce the documents. We’ll see if he does it right before the 2012 election.

Sarah Palin Cites Ludicrious Claim That Obama Spent $2 Million In Birth Certificate Fight

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/04/sarah_palin_cites_ludicrious_claim_that_obama_spent_2_million_in_birth_certificate_fight.php?ref=fpb

Here is the email I got back from SarahPAC:

Dear Ryan, Thank you very much for your interest. At the current time your request is under consideration. Should the appropriate person be available for an interview, someone from the Office of Sarah Palin or SarahPAC will contact you directly. Meanwhile, we kindly direct you to Governor Palin’s Facebook page where she most frequently comments. Thank you for your inquiry.

Brown-nosing the Bottom Feeders

That which we call a birther, by any other name, would still be an irrational, TFH-wearing bigot living in a state of denial.

Every time a birther is shown a web link to, or hard copy of Obama’s official birth certificate (you know, the one that is recognized by the federal government when applying for a passport), they pull the equivalent of a 9-year old covering his ears and shouting “nyah, nyah, nyah, I can’t hear you!”

You can lead right wingers to reality, but you cannot make them embrace it.

Each state has its own standard for an official record of birth.

You have to look at the motivations of the majority of the birthers to understand why they simply cannot “let go”. Fundamentally, it comes down to the following mindset: “I cannot accept THAT man in the White House because… . (fill in the blank).”

Just about ANY reason will do — any excuse that will legitimize their race-based outrage. If it wasn’t about a birth certificate, it would be about his middle name. (He’s a closet Muslim, you know.)

In addition, there are a handful of unscrupulous politicians and pundits who, although not necessarily racist themselves, have no problem capitalizing on the bigotry of others by fueling their fear and hatred of Obama in order to score political points or further a personal agenda.

Enter Palin and “The Donald” …

When you perpetuate a malicious rumor, you take ownership of it. Alas, Palin lacks the good sense to recognize her own character flaws, nor the decency to refrain from engaging in petty, vindictive gossip in a public forum.

Donald Trump may very well have attained much of his wealth through cunning, guile, intimidation, and manipulation … however honesty, sincerity, and showing a healthy respect for the facts do not appear to be part of his repertoire.

Trump has no other issue on which to hang his hat, otherwise he would not be making so much fuss about so little, especially when it’s pure speculative nonsense.

Why do I get the feeling that Trump has a bust of PT Barnum proudly displayed on his mantle?
He seems to regard the vast majority of Americans as a bunch of suckers, eagerly clinging to every self-serving comment that he makes, regardless of whether his “insights” have any basis in fact.

Donald Trump is little more than Meg Whitman with a necktie. “Vote for me. I’m filthy rich, I’m bombastic, I don’t believe in federal regulations, I know how to cut subordinates down to size, …. and by the way, did I say I’m rich?”

No surprise that Republicans cannot learn from history, since they are continually revising it.

Natural Born Citizen, US Constitution:

Article II, Section 1, clause 5:

“No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/article02/

One of our founders (John Jay) obtained the definition of “natural born Citizen” from The Law of Nations (Vattel):

The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens… (Vattel in Book 1, Sec 212)

The Founders’ intent was to prevent foreign influence on the office of President.

Obama’s father was a British subject at the time of Obama’s birth. Obama is NOT a Natural Born Citizen.

Alz said:
I’m from Chicago. Stranger things happen all the time.

Obama should just immediately produce the documents. We’ll see if he does it right before the 2012 election.

Alz, you don’t seem so far gone that you can’t get your head around this… so please, listen clearly: Obama cannot “just release the document” when it comes to the long form. You said you read that other article, but you must have missed something. Best to go back and read it again.

And then read this highly informative summary, too:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/how-to-interview-donald-trump-the-birther-debunkers-guide-to-the-universe/

The bottom line is this. IN HAWAII, the long-form is NOT available to be copied by anybody, including the said person who is listed on the birth certificate. Obama can, if he chooses, fly to Hawaii in person to visit the Health Department himself, where he may view the document. But he cannot photocopy it, take a picture of it, or remove it to send elsewhere. ONLY the Certificate of Live Birth is available for anybody in Hawaii that currently requests proof of their birth. Period. And Obama’s certificate has been validated six ways from Sunday. It is time for every sensible person to give it a rest. You seem like you *could* be sensible if you so choose. I recommend you choose and hope you’ll choose wisely. If not, well, then I feel for you. But the truth is what it is.

As for Obama spending $2 million to “cover it up”… no, not exactly. He’s spent $2 million in fighting frivolous lawsuits filed by twits like Trump who seen this as a way to distract him from what he’d rather be doing, like running for President prior to his current term and running the country now. The tragedy for all of us is that the Republicans once wanted to engage on the issues that mattered. But one day they found out that B.S. media manipulation got them more traction with the nitwits out there and that there are more nitwits who want to vote than there are otherwise sensible people. Ergo, the Republicans especially (though not exclusively) run on nitwit platforms and stay in office by toeing the nitwit line.

If an idiot like Trump gains White-House-worthy momentum from this line of crap, then we’ll deserve what we get. But God willing, rationality won’t let that happen. It remains to be seen.