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Bill Kristol: Rahm “Conveniently” Decided Mayor Of Chicago Was Lifelong Ambition

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Bill Kristol thinks there is more to Rahm Emanuel’s exit than meets the eye. On Fox News Sunday this morning Chris Wallace wanted to know whether President Obama could hope to achieve some bipartisanship after the midterms. Kristol responded that he thought it was a definite possibility now that some of the more “arrogant” and polarizing figures (Emanuel, Summers, Orszag) in the administration were departing, before veering off into this little bit of conspiracy theorizing.

I love how the whole media has decided to accept Rahm’s story that he’s always wanted to be Mayor of Chicago. He grew up in the suburbs, went to college in New York, worked in Washington D.C., went back to Chicago in 1999. I think you could Google Rahm Emanuel and never find him saying a word about being Mayor of Chicago until it conveniently became his lifelong ambition so that they could give him a nice excuse for leaving the White House.

Or not. Here’s what happens when you Google “Rahm Emanuel” “Mayor Of Chicago”: you get this Jonathan Alter Newsweek article from Sept. 7, just after Richard Daley announced his retirement, which notes Emanuel has been talking about this since last year:

He told me and a bunch of other people last year that he would run if Rich Daley decided not to seek a seventh term. After his dream of being the first Jewish speaker of the House was thwarted by his taking the job of White House chief of staff, he switched his goal to City Hall.

Meanwhile, a quick glance at Emanuel’s Wikipedia page will lead you to this Telegraph article from June — long before anyone knew of Daley’s intentions — which says basically the same thing:

Mr Emanuel has privately expressed a readiness to run for mayor of Chicago, which is also his home town though he was never part of the Obama set and did not endorse the then senator in the Democratic primary in 2008. That would however depend on Mayor Richard Daley stepping down when he is up for re-election in 2011.

Nevertheless, the lesson here according to Kristol is: Don’t underestimate Obama’s willingness to get rid of people (presumably after creating fictional lifelong ambitions for them). Clip below.

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  • felixw

    Rahm knows that there will be a shakeup at the White House after the whupping coming in November. He left because he knew that, if he waited a few weeks, he would probably get fired. A smart move on his part. Bad luck for the people of Chicago, though, if he becomes mayor.

  • da-wdc

    Kristol is dishonest and has always been dishonest, and has usually been wrong, too. There are no consequences for this because he tells Fox News viewers what they want to hear.

  • shootfromthehip

    Bill Kristol is a hack. Anyone who knows Rahm or who knows how to use Google knows Rahm’s affection for Chicago. Kristol, of course, has a hard time understanding that anyone can love Chicago, but millions of Americans do.

  • Patrick Henry

    shootfromthehip said:
    Kristol, of course, has a hard time understanding that anyone can love Chicago, but millions of Americans do.

    Chicago is a great city that I love to visit. The political games they play there are reprehensible. Rahm will fit right back in.

  • Yoda002

    I don’t think Billy “blood thirsty” Kristol has been right about anything. Everything is a conspiracy to him and his alway pushing to go to war with someone. They should send him to Afghanistan as a embedded reporter; he wouldn’t last two days.

  • http://www.squidoo.com/lauriebethsgrotto Laurie Beth

    You don’t need a nice excuse to leave the White House if you’ve already stayed longer than the average individual who’s held the job. He’s been Chief of Staff longer than the average two years. For whatever reason, it’s an exhausting job and people don’t last very long. I can’t imagine people would have been demanding an excuse if he left without any solid plan after the typical two year period.

    Nice hunting, Ms. M.

  • writer

    Despite the rumors, his campaign slogan will not be “Remember Capone!”

  • GlenQuagmire

    FYI, in the exact same segment, Brit Hume corrects Kristol about Rahm-bo’s mayoral aspirations being well known.

  • http://www.karlspensen.blogspot.com Karl Spensen

    I love BILL KRISTOL’s analysis because he has ALWAYS been RIGHT about EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!11111

  • sarainitaly

    “I love how the whole media has decided to accept Rahm’s story that he’s always wanted to be Mayor of Chicago. … I think you could Google Rahm Emanuel and never find him saying a word about being Mayor of Chicago until it conveniently became his lifelong ambition so that they could give him a nice excuse for leaving the White House.”

    I don’t get how any of the *proof* provided here refutes what Kristol said. Rahm mentioned it once in the past year and that’s evidence of some lifelong ambition?

    “Meanwhile, a quick glance at Emanuel’s Wikipedia page will lead you to this Telegraph article from June — long before anyone knew of Daley’s intentions — which says basically the same thing:”

    You don’t think that Obama and Rahm knew about Daley’s intentions?

    And – be careful about using Wikipedia…there are a couple of commenters who like to berate anyone who uses them as a source.

  • Azarkhan

    I don’t doubt that Rahm Emmanuel wants to be mayor of Chicago, but I think it is odd that he leaves one month before a crucial election for Democrats.

  • the real john t

    sarainitaly said:
    I don’t get how any of the *proof* provided here refutes what Kristol said. Rahm mentioned it once in the past year and that’s evidence of some lifelong ambition?

    Where is the proof of what Kristol was spouting? He didn’t have any proof. He just spews shit out of his Republican Place (his ass).

  • The_Reasonable_Lib

    I actually have to agree that Rahm left for other reasons. I personally think he was fired because he was finally deemed too much of a detriment to the administration’s efforts.

  • CSS

    Liberal Dems don’t like Rahm because he challenged and advised the President not to push through health care reform during an economic downfall. With him gone, what we are left with is the Chicago inner circle that is in love with him and won’t challenge or disagree with him. Britt Hume was the only one who truly caught this. I’m not going to go as far and say that he should have stayed, but I will say that Emanuel was the only experience guy advising the President. He learned from the Clinton years and tried to advise Obama to govern more from the center. Emanuel is not the type of person who likes to be ignored, so it was time for him to leave. Going back to Chicago will position him for what I believe he really wants, and that is to run for a senate seat in the future if he doesn’t pull off the Mayor gig. Don’t kid yourself, Obama was glad to say goodbye, and I agree with Hume that Emanuel’s departure, for the moment, doesn’t change anything.

  • Arnold

    Rahm . This reminds me . I must have Maria pick up some cockroach spray for the garagen .

  • sarainitaly

    the real john t said:
    Where is the proof of what Kristol was spouting? He didn’t have any proof. He just spews shit out of his Republican Place (his ass).

    well, the proof that there is only one reference from last year….

    He also said he *thinks*…
    “I think you could Google Rahm Emanuel and never find him saying a word about being Mayor of Chicago until it conveniently became his lifelong ambition so that they could give him a nice excuse for leaving the White House.”

  • ConLoonPatrol

    Bill Kristol is a liar. But hey, all republicans are vile scumbags, so what else is new?

    Before Obama even took ofc we heard about Rahms aspirations to become mayor of Chicago AND we also were told that he’d probably serve in the first part of the administration and then go on to his own endeavors.

    But hey, this FAUX the fake news channel we’re talking about so you can’t expect to ever get the truth on any topic that they cover.

  • right-is-wrong

    ConLoonPatrol said:
    Before Obama even took ofc we heard about Rahms aspirations to become mayor of Chicago AND we also were told that he’d probably serve in the first part of the administration and then go on to his own endeavors.

    But hey, this FAUX the fake news channel we’re talking about so you can’t expect to ever get the truth on any topic that they cover.

    Newsspeak
    everything else is Oldspeak

    (1984)

  • The Real Royal King

    Kristol has a very long history of being wrong about virtually everything, most notably every neo-con excuse for the Iraq debacle, and he has a history of being a terrible, terrible liar. Meanwhile, it has been very well known for many years in Democratic circles, going back to the Clinton years, that Rahm would run for mayor of Chicago as soon as there was an opening. No one in the party was surprised by this announcement, and Kristol is simply lying again.

  • The Real Royal King

    the real john t said:
    Where is the proof of what Kristol was spouting? He didn’t have any proof. He just spews shit out of his Republican Place (his ass).

    Well, this is typical intellectually dishonest Sara N. Italy crap. Kristol made an outrageous statement but the burden is on everyone else to prove it is not true. Sara N. Italy is simply a rightist tool.

  • http://twitter.com/pewestlake Paul Westlake

    sarainitaly said:
    And – be careful about using Wikipedia…there are a couple of commenters who like to berate anyone who uses them as a source.

    Citing the Telegraph article and crediting Wikipedia for the reference is perfectly acceptable sourcing and citation.

    sarainitaly said:
    well, the proof that there is only one reference from last year….

    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I’m not saying that proves Kristol wrong – his track-record takes care of that all on its own – just that it also doesn’t prove him right.

    And thanks for the “ditto” the other day. ;-)

  • right-is-wrong

    The Real Royal King said:
    Well, this is typical intellectually dishonest Sara N. Italy crap. Kristol made an outrageous statement but the burden is on everyone else to prove it is not true. Sara N. Italy is simply a rightist tool.

    Nu uh

    you prove it

  • JamesA1102

    sarainitaly said:
    He also said he *thinks*…“I think you could Google Rahm Emanuel and never find him saying a word about being Mayor of Chicago until it conveniently became his lifelong ambition so that they could give him a nice excuse for leaving the White House.”

    As usual Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government run healthcare) just spews right wing BS. As Google search comes up with plenty of articles about this including this one from last January: http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2010/01/washington_post_columnist_says.html

  • Big_F-ing_Deal

    This is America. Kristol has every right to be wrong and he exercises that privilege frequently.

  • sarainitaly

    Paul Westlake said:
    Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. I’m not saying that proves Kristol wrong – his track-record takes care of that all on its own – just that it also doesn’t prove him right.

    He said: “I think you could Google Rahm Emanuel and never find him saying a word about being Mayor of Chicago until it conveniently became his lifelong ambition so that they could give him a nice excuse for leaving the White House.”

    There is nothing but one reference from last year, and now two from this year. That pretty much proves Kristol right…don’t ya think? He said “until it conveniently became his life long ambition”. You don’t think that extends until last fall? It’s not like Obama’s decline started yesterday, or people were calling for Obama to dump Rahm yesterday. This has been going on for a while.

    Nice that some of you sit there and call me a liar or shill or whatever, while ignoring the friggin facts.

    “Citing the Telegraph article and crediting Wikipedia for the reference is perfectly acceptable sourcing and citation.” Oh, I see. When Glynnis does it, it’s ok. When I or someone else on here on the right does it, it is insulted, and mocked.

    Glynnis attempted to prove it wrong. I don’t see how her *proof* proved anything.

    the real john t said:
    Where is the proof of what Kristol was spouting? He didn’t have any proof. He just spews shit out of his Republican Place (his ass).

    And BTW – it’s an OPINION show, and he was giving his opinion. And in this case, it appears his opinion was right.

  • sarainitaly

    JamesA1102 said:
    As usual Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government run healthcare)

    you’re insane.

    (oh, BTW, my husband just got back from his doctor’s appointment. One that he scheduled 7 months ago. socialized medicine is FUN!)

  • The Real Royal King

    sarainitaly said:
    you’re insane. (oh, BTW, my husband just got back from his doctor’s appointment. One that he scheduled 7 months ago. socialized medicine is FUN!)

    How convenient, and how patently untrue!

  • The Real Royal King

    sarainitaly said:
    He said: “I think you could Google Rahm Emanuel and never find him saying a word about being Mayor of Chicago until it conveniently became his lifelong ambition so that they could give him a nice excuse for leaving the White House.” There is nothing but one reference from last year, and now two from this year. That pretty much proves Kristol right…don’t ya think? He said “until it conveniently became his life long ambition”. You don’t think that extends until last fall? It’s not like Obama’s decline started yesterday, or people were calling for Obama to dump Rahm yesterday. This has been going on for a while. Nice that some of you sit there and call me a liar or shill or whatever, while ignoring the friggin facts. “Citing the Telegraph article and crediting Wikipedia for the reference is perfectly acceptable sourcing and citation.” Oh, I see. When Glynnis does it, it’s ok. When I or someone else on here on the right does it, it is insulted, and mocked. Glynnis attempted to prove it wrong. I don’t see how her *proof* proved anything. the real john t said:Where is the proof of what Kristol was spouting? He didn’t have any proof. He just spews shit out of his Republican Place (his ass). And BTW – it’s an OPINION show, and he was giving his opinion. And in this case, it appears his opinion was right.

    I realize the Sun-Times, the local Chicago newspaper, may not be a credible source, but take a gander at the speculation, interest, intent, last April:

    http://www.suntimes.com/news/cityhall/2193486,rahm-emanuel-mayor-daley-042310.article

    and from the Chicago Tribune last January:

    http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/politics/blog/2010/01/emanuel_chicago_mayor_sally_qu.html

    You know, Sara N. Italy, when you decide to spread a lie, you really need to have a better source than Bill Kristol.

  • Dave Richards

    the real john t said:
    Where is the proof of what Kristol was spouting? He didn’t have any proof. He just spews shit out of his Republican Place (his ass).

    You seem to have an obsession with asses. Maybe looking in the mirror causes that problem.

  • Dave Richards

    The Real Royal King said:
    Kristol has a very long history of being wrong about virtually everything, most notably every neo-con excuse for the Iraq debacle, and he has a history of being a terrible, terrible liar. Meanwhile, it has been very well known for many years in Democratic circles, going back to the Clinton years, that Rahm would run for mayor of Chicago as soon as there was an opening. No one in the party was surprised by this announcement, and Kristol is simply lying again.

    So, giving and opinion is now called “lying” in left wing circles?

    Do you people ever get tired of being stupid?

  • badnewzbearz

    Rahm will be hard to replace. Ex-ballerinas who mail dead fish to people are pretty hard to find.

  • The Real Royal King

    Dave Richards said:
    So, giving and opinion is now called “lying” in left wing circles? Do you people ever get tired of being stupid?

    Making up facts is not the same thing as offering an opinion, although Tea Partiers frequently confuse the two.

  • The Real Royal King

    badnewzbearz said:
    Rahm will be hard to replace. Ex-ballerinas who mail dead fish to people are pretty hard to find.

    I have to admit that, although I believe Rahm will make a fantastic mayor of Chicago, I’m not unhappy to see him go. He bought far too much Clinton baggage into the Obama administration.

  • The Real Royal King

    brought

  • right-is-wrong

    sarainitaly said:
    oh, BTW, my husband just got back from his doctor’s appointment. One that he scheduled 7 months ago. socialized medicine is FUN!

    Poor Sara.
    7 months for healthcare for free in a country where you are not a citizen?

    Myself (unemployed), and wife (unemployed) have no such wait.
    And it only cost us $800 month for the absolute minimum coverage, with a $3500 deductible and almost zero towards prescriptions and no dental.

    Come on home, no waiting!

  • sarainitaly

    The Real Royal King said:
    You know, Sara N. Italy, when you decide to spread a lie, you really need to have a better source than Bill Kristol.

    Your articles proved Kristols point, and reinforced my point. dork.

    I think you could Google Rahm Emanuel and never find him saying a word about being Mayor of Chicago until it conveniently became his lifelong ambition so that they could give him a nice excuse for leaving the White House.”

    You think this just happened over night? Like I said, Obama has been spiraling downward, and people have been calling for Rahm to be replaced/fired and/or predicting his replacement SINCE LAST YEAR.

    Scarborough: Rahm Fired as White House Chief of Staff ‘Over the Next Year’
    Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/12/21/scarborough-rahm-fired-white-house-chief-staff-over-next-year#ixzz11OVcX2tQ

    As Peter Wallsten of the Wall Street Journal has noticed, Rahm Emanuel isn’t getting along too well with liberals these days. Tension started as early as August when the White House Chief of Staff went “apeshit” (in the words of liberal blogger Jane Hamsher) at the left wing over health care. The spat heated up in December when Hamsher joined forces with Grover Norquist to call for “an investigation into Rahm Emanuel’s activities at Freddie Mac,” while Emanuel continued to blow off the left on policy. Now progressives are openly calling for Emanuel’s resignation, blaming him for the mess Democrats and Obama currently find themselves in.

    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/Liberals'+Long+War+With+Rahm+Emanuel-655

    Jane Hamsher, Grover Norquist Call for Rahm Emanuel’s Resignation
    Today, Grover Norquist and I are calling for an investigation into Rahm Emanuel’s activities at Freddie Mac, and the White House’s blocking of an Inspector General who would look into it.
    http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/23/jane-hamsher-grover-norquist-call-for-rahm-emmanuel%E2%80%99s-resignation/

    FIRE Rahm Emanuel
    http://thejoshuablogs.blogspot.com/2009/07/fire-rahm-emmanuel.html

    Gawd, talk about clueless.

    So, I repeat – It appears that Kristol was right, and Rahm didn’t start talking about wanting to be mayor until he needed a “nice excuse” to get out of the WH, and just happen to coincide with the calls for his firing! And if you don’t think there were conversations with Daley about this last year you are even more clueless than anyone thought.

    Why don’t you get over your idiotic obsession with me and every single frickin thing I say, and actually pay attention. You might even learn something. Calling me a liar just makes you look…well, what Dave Richards said.

  • The Real Royal King

    sarainitaly said:
    Your articles proved Kristols point, and reinforced my point. dork. “I think you could Google Rahm Emanuel and never find him saying a word about being Mayor of Chicago until it conveniently became his lifelong ambition so that they could give him a nice excuse for leaving the White House.” You think this just happened over night? Like I said, Obama has been spiraling downward, and people have been calling for Rahm to be replaced/fired and/or predicting his replacement SINCE LAST YEAR. Scarborough: Rahm Fired as White House Chief of Staff ‘Over the Next Year’Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/12/21/scarborough-rahm-fired-white-house-chief-staff-over-next-year#ixzz11OVcX2tQ http://www.theatlanticwire.com/features/view/feature/Liberals‘+Long+War+With+Rahm+Emanuel-655 Jane Hamsher, Grover Norquist Call for Rahm Emanuel’s ResignationToday, Grover Norquist and I are calling for an investigation into Rahm Emanuel’s activities at Freddie Mac, and the White House’s blocking of an Inspector General who would look into it.http://firedoglake.com/2009/12/23/jane-hamsher-grover-norquist-call-for-rahm-emmanuel%E2%80%99s-resignation/ FIRE Rahm Emanuelhttp://thejoshuablogs.blogspot.com/2009/07/fire-rahm-emmanuel.html Gawd, talk about clueless. So, I repeat – It appears that Kristol was right, and Rahm didn’t start talking about wanting to be mayor until he needed a “nice excuse” to get out of the WH, and just happen to coincide with the calls for his firing! And if you don’t think there were conversations with Daley about this last year you are even more clueless than anyone thought. Why don’t you get over your idiotic obsession with me and every single frickin thing I say, and actually pay attention. You might even learn something. Calling me a liar just makes you look…well, what Dave Richards said.

    Shrill, thy name is Sara.

    You’ve lost this round.

    Time for the next lie.

  • The Real Royal King

    right-is-wrong said:
    Poor Sara.7 months for healthcare for free in a country where you are not a citizen? Myself (unemployed), and wife (unemployed) have no such wait.And it only cost us $800 month for the absolute minimum coverage, with a $3500 deductible and almost zero towards prescriptions and no dental. Come on home, no waiting!

    Sara N. Italy is correct in describing a system which is not the most efficient in Europe. No surprise there. However, even in the Italian system, any critical matter would have been addressed very quickly. Likely, a trip to the primary care giver would have been needed, followed by the necessary referral for many matters, but the average wait to see the primary giver even in Italy is less than five (5) days. This is just another one of those convenient lies Sara attaches to to further her victimization.

  • sarainitaly

    right-is-wrong said:
    Poor Sara.
    7 months for healthcare for free in a country where you are not a citizen?
    Myself (unemployed), and wife (unemployed) have no such wait.
    And it only cost us $800 month for the absolute minimum coverage, with a $3500 deductible and almost zero towards prescriptions and no dental.
    Come on home, no waiting!

    I am a citizen, and my husband is Italian. I liked my health coverage in the states.
    Free healthcare? What are you smoking? Nothing’s free buddy. We pay a lot in taxes. We pay for the doctor appointments, and we pay for the tests. I’ve lived here 8 years and gone to the doctor once, and paid $150 for the visit, and I paid $50 for a blood test. wooo free! That said, as I said to James in the past, there are some pluses but it has a lot of negs as well. Waiting 7 months for my husband to get a check up to control his Type 1 diabetes being one of the negs. My comment was for James because he has some weird fixation on me living here and getting healthcare. He for some reasons likes to comment about it….Like it has some relevance to Rahm Emanuel?

    Are you retired?

  • sarainitaly

    The Real Royal King said:
    Shrill, thy name is Sara.

    You’ve lost this round.

    Time for the next lie.

    Nothing shrill about my comments. I actually tried to be civil-ish to you.
    I completely 100% won this round, and every round.
    Of course you want to move on – because YOU LOST.

    The Real Royal King said:
    This is just another one of those convenient lies Sara attaches to to further her victimization.

    You’re a f*cking idiot.

  • The Real Royal King

    sarainitaly said:
    Nothing shrill about my comments. I actually tried to be civil-ish to you.I completely 100% won this round, and every round.Of course you want to move on – because YOU LOST. You’re a f*cking idiot.

    It’s nice you can convince yourself of that. Speaking of nice, I hope your afternoon and evening are.

  • http://twitter.com/pewestlake Paul Westlake

    sarainitaly said:
    There is nothing but one reference from last year, and now two from this year. That pretty much proves Kristol right…don’t ya think?

    No, I don’t. I wanted to be a fighter pilot when I was a kid. You kind a single reference to that on Google. Does that make it untrue? J Edgar Hoover wore womens underwear to work, won’t find in that in the papers of the time period. Once again, absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence. And since Kristol has been wrong only slightly less often than Larry Kudlow, MY assumption would be that he’s wrong… as usual.

    sarainitaly said:
    Nice that some of you sit there and call me a liar or shill or whatever, while ignoring the friggin facts.

    What facts?

    sarainitaly said:
    “Citing the Telegraph article and crediting Wikipedia for the reference is perfectly acceptable sourcing and citation.” Oh, I see. When Glynnis does it, it’s ok. When I or someone else on here on the right does it, it is insulted, and mocked.

    Wikipedia was not the source, The Telegraph was the source, wikipedia was just a conduit. When wikipedia is the SOURCE, it’s a problem. But when the extensive footnotes that can sometimes be found in wiklipedia articles lead to legitimate news sources, it’s those sources that are being cited, not wikipedia. I don’t know where your hysteria comes from with me, I’ve been pretty consistent on my points.

    sarainitaly said:
    Glynnis attempted to prove it wrong. I don’t see how her *proof* proved anything.

    It didn’t. Nor did she use the word “proof” in her article. You’re fighting against enemies and ideas that don’t exist, Donna Quixote. ;-)

    sarainitaly said:
    And BTW – it’s an OPINION show, and he was giving his opinion. And in this case, it appears his opinion was right.

    Sure, but you’re the one that demanded proof when Kristol was roundly criticized as being the terminally wrong pundit that he has always been. Nothing is proven at all, but you’re the one that insists something MUST be proven here. Who cares? Even if Kristol is 100% right (in which case, start the snowmakers in Hades, there’ll be skiing tonight!), it still doesn’t prove anything about anything except politicians make political calculations. Gee… WHAT a shock. ;-)

  • http://twitter.com/pewestlake Paul Westlake

    Paul Westlake said:
    You kind a single reference

    That was a weird one…

    should read “you can’t find a…”

  • http://twitter.com/pewestlake Paul Westlake

    sarainitaly said:
    (oh, BTW, my husband just got back from his doctor’s appointment. One that he scheduled 7 months ago. socialized medicine is FUN!)

    Prove that your husband made that appointment seven months ago AND, that his appointment that was scheduled seven months ago actually occurred today. I want to see documentary evidence of this claim or you’re just a right-wing shill, worse than your claims about Mediaite writers.

  • The Real Royal King

    Paul Westlake said:
    Prove that your husband made that appointment seven months ago AND, that his appointment that was scheduled seven months ago actually occurred today. I want to see documentary evidence of this claim or you’re just a right-wing shill, worse than your claims about Mediaite writers.

    Amen!, Paul.

  • sarainitaly

    Paul Westlake said:
    Sure, but you’re the one that demanded proof when Kristol was roundly criticized as being the terminally wrong pundit that he has always been. Nothing is proven at all, but you’re the one that insists something MUST be proven here. Who cares? Even if Kristol is 100% right (in which case, start the snowmakers in Hades, there’ll be skiing tonight!), it still doesn’t prove anything about anything except politicians make political calculations. Gee… WHAT a shock. ;-)

    you’re kidding, right?
    why did Glynnis write this post? Why did she provide the google searches? she was trying to refute Kristol’s comments.

    Her *research* or as I called it *proof* don’t refute anything he said. It doesn’t prove Kristol wrong.

    Once again – I am COMMENTING on the story. A story that was written with the intent to prove Kristol wrong. it didn’t. And neither did the other searches someone posted here.

    As I clearly showed – Rahm’s two comments didn’t pop up until the Left and Right started calling for his firing/resignation. Which support what Kristol said.

  • sarainitaly

    Paul Westlake said:
    Prove that your husband made that appointment seven months ago AND, that his appointment that was scheduled seven months ago actually occurred today. I want to see documentary evidence of this claim or you’re just a right-wing shill, worse than your claims about Mediaite writers.

    don’t be a dork, paul. you’re better than RRK.
    (and his appt. was last week, not today. and yes, it took 7 months.)

  • sarainitaly

    “I don’t know where your hysteria comes from with me, I’ve been pretty consistent on my points.”

    Where was I hysterical with you? Perhaps you are the one fighting against things that don’t exist.

    People (RRK, etc.) have repeatedly attacked others for citing Wiki.

  • http://twitter.com/pewestlake Paul Westlake

    sarainitaly said:
    don’t be a dork, paul. you’re better than RRK.
    (and his appt. was last week, not today. and yes, it took 7 months.)

    I’ll give you the “dork” comment, but you can’t deny that exactly that level of criticism and nitpicking is the meat and drink of a large proportion of the conservative commentators here. If I was being as hypocritical as some (who shall go nameless), I would be hammering you for those facts again right now. So, do me a favor – seeing that I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, please do the same for me and don’t be one of the people that makes me “prove” that neo-con ideology includes smashing the welfare state. Cool? ;-)

  • http://twitter.com/pewestlake Paul Westlake

    sarainitaly said:
    you’re kidding, right?
    why did Glynnis write this post? Why did she provide the google searches? she was trying to refute Kristol’s comments.

    Her *research* or as I called it *proof* don’t refute anything he said. It doesn’t prove Kristol wrong.

    Once again – I am COMMENTING on the story. A story that was written with the intent to prove Kristol wrong. it didn’t. And neither did the other searches someone posted here.

    As I clearly showed – Rahm’s two comments didn’t pop up until the Left and Right started calling for his firing/resignation. Which support what Kristol said.

    You missed my point (or I didn’t articulate it well enough). I don’t think EITHER of you proved anything, is what I’m saying. ;-)

  • sarainitaly

    I don’t recall asking you to prove anything. I replied to Glynnis’s post and received comments challenging my comments. I replied, supporting them. You jumped in. I restated and further supported my comments.

    Like I asked, “why did Glynnis write this post? Why did she provide the google searches? she was trying to refute Kristol’s comments.”

    “You can’t find a single reference to that on Google. Does that make it untrue?” – Kristol never said anything about your boy hood dreams being on google.

  • sarainitaly

    Paul Westlake said:
    I don’t think EITHER of you proved anything, is what I’m saying. ;-)

    I don’t think anyone can prove what is in someone’s head, but as for Kristol’s comments about the media buying his story, the Google search, and the opportunity for a convenient exit, and Glynnis’ attempt at refuting them, and the discussions that followed, and my links showing the calls for his resignation coinciding with the first occurrences of his claiming to want to run for mayor pretty much supports what Kristol was saying, if you ask me. And if you were to go back, read his comments and the article by Glynnis, and my comments and links you would agree, if you were being honest.

    I know that was one long sentence. I did it on purpose. haha

  • JamesA1102

    sarainitaly said:
    you’re insane.

    What a lame response.

  • http://twitter.com/pewestlake Paul Westlake

    sarainitaly said:
    Like I asked, “why did Glynnis write this post? Why did she provide the google searches? she was trying to refute Kristol’s comments.”

    “You can’t find a single reference to that on Google. Does that make it untrue?” – Kristol never said anything about your boy hood dreams being on google.

    Funny.

    I wasn’t refuting your entire post, just saying that the thing you described as “proof” is neither proof for you, nor Glynnis, even though she may have been trying. And, actually, the article Glynnis cited began with this passage:

    “Rahm Emanuel has never been shy about his ambition to be mayor of Chicago. He told me and a bunch of other people last year that he would run if Rich Daley decided not to seek a seventh term.”

    I don’t remember the “lifelong” part being mentioned too much, but it’s not a stretch to imagine some copywriter adding the “lifelong” flourish because it sounded good. Unless you think Jonathan Alter is lying, it seems to be something that was know but not reported on, like a great many plans in Washington DC. I don’t think Alter would have said “a bunch of other people” if he was lying, and I don’t think anyone outside of Kristol feels the need to question Alter’s veracity. But nothing is “proven” here at all. And nothing will be proven either, because it’s a William Kristol non-issue that everyone else is safely ignoring. ;-)

  • sarainitaly

    JamesA1102 said:
    What a lame response.

    it was in response to an even lamer comment.

  • sarainitaly

    honestly i don’t care about it… haha The only reason I commented in the first place was because Glynnis’ attempts at refuting Kristol didn’t refute anything. And based on what I recalled from the cries for Rahm to resign/get fired, and what I read in this article, it sounded like Kristol was right. Of course, when challenged, I have to back up what I am saying. Especially when I am right. (which is always.)

    I don’t give a rats patootie if Rahm, ever since he was a tiny dancer, has dreamed of being the mayor of Chicago. Do I believe it? No. I think he wants a good exit and he wants power within Chicago.

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