Forget the birth certificate and give me the college transcripts!

Pablo said:
Forget the birth certificate and give me the college transcripts!

You show me yours, I’ll show you mine.

Personally, I’d never release my records either. Who benefits from knowing Obama’s grade in orgo chem? Who would use his transcripts as a basis of judgment? Nobody who hasn’t already decided.

I don’t care about his birth certificate. I’d rather see his college grades and SAT/LSAT scores.

Publius219 said:
You show me yours, I’ll show you mine.

Personally, I’d never release my records either. Who benefits from knowing Obama’s grade in orgo chem? Who would use his transcripts as a basis of judgment? Nobody who hasn’t already decided.

I’d say that the American people benefit from that kind of transparency, a key selling point of Obama’s candidacy. I wouldn’t release mine either, just on principle, but then, I’m not asking America to make me its President. We’ve got Bush’s, we’ve got Kerry’s, why shouldn’t we have Obama’s?

Sean68 said:
I don’t care about his birth certificate. I’d rather see his college grades and SAT/LSAT scores.

I don’t care about his birth certificate either. I’d rather see his giant penis and perfectly round ballsack.

Best.Day.Ever.

Independent said:
I don’t care about his birth certificate either. I’d rather see his giant penis and perfectly round ballsack. Best.Day.Ever.

And let’s not forget his confession that he believes the white man invented AIDS to destroy the black man.

Sean68 said:
And let’s not forget his confession that he believes the white man invented AIDS to destroy the black man.

You mean Jeremiah Wright’s confession.

To which Obama replied:

“…what is undeniable is that, you know, these are a series of incendiary statements that I can’t object to strongly enough. Had I heard those in the church, I would have told Reverend Wright that, you know, that I profoundly disagreed with them. They didn’t reflect my values, and they didn’t reflect my ideals…”

So, in conclusion: Obama has a magnificent cod-piece that I would like to see. That is all.

Independent said:
You mean Jeremiah Wright’s confession. To which Obama replied: “…what is undeniable is that, you know, these are a series of incendiary statements that I can’t object to strongly enough. Had I heard those in the church, I would have told Reverend Wright that, you know, that I profoundly disagreed with them. They didn’t reflect my values, and they didn’t reflect my ideals…” So, in conclusion: Obama has a magnificent cod-piece that I would like to see. That is all.

I think the fact that he was running for POTUS at the time those videos came out influenced his denunciations. Did he have any other choice? Before he ran for POTUS he belonged to that radical black-liberation-theology nuthouse for 20 years. He even took the title of his book “The Audacity of Hope” from a speech in which, not two sentences prior to that phrase, appeared what was basically an accusation that the black people of the world are poor because of whitey’s greed.

Sean68 said:
I think the fact that he was running for POTUS at the time those videos came out influenced his denunciations. Did he have any other choice? Before he ran for POTUS he belonged to that radical black-liberation-theology nuthouse for 20 years. He even took the title of his book “The Audacity of Hope” from a speech in which, not two sentences prior to that phrase, appeared what was basically an accusation that the black people of the world are poor because of whitey’s greed.

Also, did you not notice the audience reaction to Wright’s lunatic screachings? Sounded like unanymous support to me. So if Obama wasn’t applauding and “that’s right-ing!” he would have been the only one. Those were his fellow parishioners.

Sean68 said:
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Cool story bro.

Independent said:
Cool story bro.

Yes. Cool and true.

He missed a lot in 20 years, didn’t he?

Pablo said:
Forget the birth certificate and give me the college transcripts!

Pablo, I’d missed that you’d already made the point about the college transcripts, which makes my post redundent. I think what they’re concealing is the fact that his grades weren’t bad, just not the iron-clad evidence of the utter brilliance the oprah’s of the world would have us believe. And I’m sure his test scores would reveal the same. Ya know, average. It would be embarrassing to learn that Obama got into Harvard Law School with LSAT scores in the 85th percentile (when the average for whites and asians is in the 99th). Also the fact that he was named Editor of the law review says more about the psychology of a bunch of left-wing and moderate conservatives trying to agree on an editor (“hey, guys, let’s elect the first black law review editor!”), than it does about Obama’s supposed brilliance. Though I guess these days all of America is getting a close-up glimpse of just how brilliant this guy really is.

Pablo said:
He missed a lot in 20 years, didn’t he?

And his defense of Wright rested on the following: My white grandmother was afraid of being mugged by young black men! But, then, she was a typical white person and, ya know, the typical white person is a bigot.

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Sean68 said:
Pablo, I’d missed that you’d already made the point about the college transcripts, which makes my post redundent. I think what they’re concealing is the fact that his grades weren’t bad, just not the iron-clad evidence of the utter brilliance the oprah’s of the world would have us believe. And I’m sure his test scores would reveal the same. Ya know, average. It would be embarrassing to learn that Obama got into Harvard Law School with LSAT scores in the 85th percentile (when the average for whites and asians is in the 99th). Also the fact that he was named Editor of the law review says more about the psychology of a bunch of left-wing and moderate conservatives trying to agree on an editor (“hey, guys, let’s elect the first black law review editor!”), than it does about Obama’s supposed brilliance. Though I guess these days all of America is getting a close-up glimpse of just how brilliant this guy really is.

Confirmation bias with a touch of racial prejudice…nice! Because the only way a colored person can succeed in America is vis-a-vis the scraps laid out at the feet of his white master…eh Sean? Do you feel the same way about Justice Clarence Thomas stature or do you make a special exception for that conservative uppity Negro? Just wondering since you decided to play the race card.

Did Bush release his all his transcripts before he was elected to the office of the President? Just wondering again….since that’s the bar Obama is being measured to for the revelation of his own. I would also love to see Bush’s birth certificate as well. I mean…why should I “trust” what I’m told about his place of birth. That is crazy talk.

Fact: I think Rush was correct on all points against the liberals ideas and conspiracies that they spew out even on this site as fact but it’s pure bullshit just like the progressive platform to steal tax and spend what they didn’t earn themselves. Cut spending first make hard cuts that way show me your an adult then we should up taxing to make up for small again small debts left to balance! Start with burning all the bad printed 100 usd bills that don’t need to be flooded into the market. If I was a freak show in college on my theses that I turned in for grades in government classes then so be it because all instructors I had where freaks too and I had to lie to get thru that class for my grade also. Tear some ass RUSH!

The only people on earth that believe Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell didn’t lie about weapon of mass destruction are the dummies and useful idiots. By the way how is the French wine boycott going for ya?

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The following article was originally published in the Harvard Law Record’s 2010 April Fool’s Day edition and was intended as satire. Many of the comments from birthers that follow, however, are very real.

Harvard Law School librarians made a stunning discovery in a long-sealed chamber in the basement of Langdell Hall Monday night, when they indicated they had found what they believed to be a copy of President Barack Obama’s original certificate of live birth. Individuals who believe the president’s extra-American birth invalidates his presidency rapidly seized on the document as further proof for their claims, flocking to courts to seek injunctions on a number of executive orders and bills recently signed into law, including the vaunted health care reform act. HLS archivists said that the birth certificate was “no doubt” the original copy submitted by the sitting President upon his enrollment in the law school in 1988.

Although copies of the President’s birth certificate have long been posted online and certified by government officials in his home state, many doubt its provenance, claiming that the online document is merely a “certificattion of live birth” rather than a “birth certificate”. Others claim to have seen birth certificates placing Obama’s birth in Mombasa, Kenya (Obama’s father was a Kenyan citizen), or other foreign locations, such as Indonesia, where Obama lived as a child. The President’s political opponents occasionally mock him as a “citizen of the British Empire,” a reference to Kenya’s status in 1961, the year of his birth.

These so-called “birthers” were stunned but unfazed when the Harvard Law School copy of the birth certificate pointed them not to Kenya, Indonesia, or some other site of speculation, but the Pacific Ocean island chain of Hawaii. “I knew it,” wrote blogger ObamaIzaF8ke2273. “Obama was born outside the United States. We just didn’t know exactly where. Until now.”

The Hawaiian Islands, which lack pro sports teams, are literally off the radar screen for many Americans. In the wake of the tsunami warnings issued for the islands after the devastating earthquake in Chile in February, even CNN anchor Rick Sanchez could not locate the islands on a map, instead pointing to the Galapagos, an Ecuadorian possession several hundred nautical miles to the southeast. The fact the Hawaii appears to float in a box next to the lower 48 American states on maps has made the location of the archipelago all the more inscrutable for the U.S.’ geographically-challenged populace.

The islands’ long and complex history also makes their current political status confusing for many Americans, who are not aware of their place in the international system. A National Geographic survey released in 2008 indicated that there was a shocking correlation between those who could not attest to the system of government in Hawaii and those who believed that the government of Alaska conducted an independent foreign policy.

“The evidence is now clear,” wrote a commenter on the influential conservative website RedState.com Wednesday. “Obama is no American. He’s the subject of the Hawaiian king.”

All Obama has to do is show us his actual birth certificate and all this “crazy” speculation will go away, right? Why won’t he?

disenlightened said:
All Obama has to do is show us his actual birth certificate and all this “crazy” speculation will go away, right? Why won’t he?

If he doesn’t have the original, then the COLB is all he can get. I don’t have my original, and can’t get it either. Obama was born in Hawaii. I don’t doubt that at all.

As anyone with a functioning brain cell might recall, President Obama promised to have the most transparent Administration. And although a birth certificate & college transcripts are outside the purview of the Administration proper, it would go a long way toward dispelling all the speculation if he were to produce the documents.
As long as he continues to keep these documents out of the public eye, there will ALWAYS be doubt. What does he have to hide? Produce’em & get it over with. Shut the critics up – if you can.
I’m no Obama fan as can be seen by my avatar. I’m at the other end of the spectrum. I sincerely believe history will prove him to be the worst president – E-V-E-R! Thereby eclipsing the underperforming & immensely silly James Earl Carter. No person has ever presented less experience to handle the most powerful elected position in the world. He’s an aloof, arrogant, condescending liar.

skyfet said:
The only people on earth that believe Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Powell didn’t lie about weapon of mass destruction are the dummies and useful idiots. By the way how is the French wine boycott going for ya? Are you kidding me? there’s no doubt in anyone’s mind about their lies.

Powell is one of your buddies, now skyfet. As for lying about WMDs, it is a proven fact that there were indeed WMDs found. There wasn’t the storehouse as originally thought but they were there. Also, you liberals harp on WMDs as if it were the only reason for the Iraq war, but if you’d take the time to read President Bush’s speech before the UN you’d have the full story & be able to intelligently discuss the subject. Since you haven’t done that, you obviously have no knowledge of the full story.

Incidentally, in case you’re literate, here’s the link to the speech:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/12/national/main521781.shtml

Read it…if you dare.

Gasket said:
Confirmation bias with a touch of racial prejudice…nice! Because the only way a colored person can succeed in America is vis-a-vis the scraps laid out at the feet of his white master…eh Sean? Do you feel the same way about Justice Clarence Thomas stature or do you make a special exception for that conservative uppity Negro? Just wondering since you decided to play the race card.

Have you ever heard Thomas on affirmative action? He’s a very smart guy. He gets it.

Did Bush release his all his transcripts before he was elected to the office of the President?

Didn’t I say that we have them?

I would also love to see Bush’s birth certificate as well. I mean…why should I “trust” what I’m told about his place of birth. That is crazy talk.

I understand how important it is that you see the birth certificate of a guy who isn’t running for anything and whose family has a long and established history in America. So head for the University of Texas and have fun.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tslac/40090/tsl-40090.html

@Gipper1980
Powell isn’t my Buddy. I’m not buddy with folks who went along and did there crime. By the way if there was no weapon of mass destruction the U.S has no business in Iraq. If countries were invaded because of the tyranny there Govt.. then more countries need to be invaded. Cut the crap, it’s not part of the constitution to invade other Countries, the constitution encourages the country to mind its own business. Ask Ron Paul, he knows about the constitution than the phony neocons.

Gipper1980 said:
As for lying about WMDs, it is a proven fact that there were indeed WMDs found.

Wikileaks! It MUST be true!

Pablo said:
If he doesn’t have the original, then the COLB is all he can get. I don’t have my original, and can’t get it either. Obama was born in Hawaii. I don’t doubt that at all.

The state of Hawaii has already confirmed that Obama’s original birth certificate does exist and IS on file (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm), so it can’t be said he doesn’t have access to the original. Again, if he would release it we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Why won’t he? Is there something on it he doesn’t want us to see?

Well, I guess now that Assange has been arrested, his “poison pill” will shortly be released. I’m on the edge of my seat.

@disenlightened
A you, what else would you want to see if you do agree that the State confirmed they have the original. What more do you want to see? Where he was born? ahhhhhh

Sean68 said:
[T]he fact that he was named Editor of the law review says more about the psychology of a bunch of left-wing and moderate conservatives trying to agree on an editor (“hey, guys, let’s elect the first black law review editor!”), than it does about Obama’s supposed brilliance.

Obama was not actually editor of the law review. Rather, he was president. More of a figurehead. But I don’t doubt that his race was a major factor in that election, just as it was in 2008.

skyfet said:
@disenlightened
A you, what else would you want to see if you do agree that the State confirmed they have the original. What more do you want to see? Where he was born? ahhhhhh

There’s often more information on a birth certificate than just where and when. You think about it.

Pablo said:
Didn’t I say that we have them?

We have them because they were leaked, not because Bush volunteered them.

Pablo said:
I understand how important it is that you see the birth certificate of a guy who isn’t running for anything and whose family has a long and established history in America.

So Bush’s reputation is beyond reproach because he is neither president anymore and because he’s not running for anything? Or just because his family is the Republican equivalent of Camelot? If that’s the case, then are only conservatives allowed to accept and/or celebrate the narrative of anti-establishment candidates who are not life-long politicians?

Maybe the Dominican Republic will leak documents

disenlightened said:
The state of Hawaii has already confirmed that Obama’s original birth certificate does exist and IS on file (http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm), so it can’t be said he doesn’t have access to the original.

Sure it can. Hawaii has it. Obama does not. And Hawaii does not give out duplicate originals, they give out the COLB only. Now, if we agree that it exists, and it is in the hands of the State of Hawaii, that settles the question of where he was born.

Again, if he would release it we wouldn’t be having this conversation. Why won’t he?

He has released the document he has, the COLB. Plus, pointing at the crazy birthers works in his favor. The charge does not work against him.

Is there something on it he doesn’t want us to see?

Not likely. Scroll to the bottom of this page and click the photo to enlarge. It’s two long forms from the same time as Obama’s birth. There’s not much more on the long form than there is on the COLB and there’s certainly nothing on there that might discredit the newborn.

It’s a moot issue.

blurgh. said:
So Bush’s reputation is beyond reproach because he is neither president anymore and because he’s not running for anything?

No, Bush’s birth certificate is irrelevant for those reasons. But if you really want to see it, head for Texas.

Pablo said:
No, Bush’s birth certificate is irrelevant for those reasons. But if you really want to see it, head for Texas.

I never said I wanted to see Bush’s records. In fact, I think it’s as relevant to his presidency as Obama’s is to his (read: inconsequential).

But you also implied that we didn’t need to see Bush’s records because of his family’s storied legacy in America, in effect arguing that Americans would be more comfortable with Obama if his journey to the presidency was more like any of the lifelong or legacy politicians like Bush. Would you say the same thing about any of the Tea Party-backed candidates non-establishment candidates from 2010?

blurgh. said:
I never said I wanted to see Bush’s records. In fact, I think it’s as relevant to his presidency as Obama’s is to his (read: inconsequential).

But you also implied that we didn’t need to see Bush’s records because of his family’s storied legacy in America, in effect arguing that Americans would be more comfortable with Obama if his journey to the presidency was more like any of the lifelong or legacy politicians like Bush.

No, it’s because there is absolutely no question in anyone’s mind that Bush was born in America to two American parents. You can insinuate whatever else you like about that, but remember that it’s a product of your imagination and not mine.

Pablo said:
You can insinuate whatever else you like about that, but remember that it’s a product of your imagination and not mine.

No, it’s an extension of your logic.

Pablo said:
You can insinuate whatever else you like about that, but remember that it’s a product of your imagination and not mine.

You’re saying that Bush’s legitimacy as an American president is up to snuff because his family is a prominently known American family. The inverse is that candidates born into lesser known families have to demonstrate their legitimacy more than candidates from prominent families.

Limbaugh is right. The media went berserk trying to dig dirt on Palin, but they were very protective of Obama. Any time someone tried to find the truth, the media circled the wagons.

Remember all of the stories about Obama’s successes in the inner city? I don’t remember them either. But we are dealing with deep down liberals here, so the truth must be hidden.

Who in the hell cares. We have bigger fish to fry in this country. If that is the best Rush can come up with then let him crawl back under the rock he came from. I just don’t understand how the far right can stand to listen to this guy. Once again many of you allow him to be that one eyed man in the land of the blind. If I were Obama I would being doing the same thing. It is a need to know subject and the American people don’t need to know and even if you did what good would it be?

blurgh. said:
You’re saying that Bush’s legitimacy as an American president is up to snuff because his family is a prominently known American family.

Yes, therefore there is no question whatsoever that he satisfies the Constitutional citizenship requirement for a job he isn’t running for.

The inverse is that candidates born into lesser known families have to demonstrate their legitimacy more than candidates from prominent families.

The question is one of citizenship and Constitutional qualification, not legitimacy. When your parentage and place of birth are well known to be American, people don’t have questions about your citizenship. When they don’t know that, they’re more inclined to doubt.

If we had a baby faced 35 year old running, do you think people would be out of line in asking for some evidence of his age?

BTW, Bush’s legitimacy as an American President is up to snuff BECAUSE of those two terms he served. Obama’s is up to snuff too, ever since the inauguration. Agree or disagree?

disenlightened says:

All Obama has to do is show us his actual birth certificate and all this “crazy” speculation will go away, right? Why won’t he?

He has many times, its on line! This is more of a joke to fire up the sheep, somewhat to make fun of them!
Only a total moron would think” Fox “wouldn’t offer a million dollar reward to bring Obama down! Where’s the smoking gun!

Pablo said:
Sure it can. Hawaii has it. Obama does not. And Hawaii does not give out duplicate originals, they give out the COLB only. Now, if we agree that it exists, and it is in the hands of the State of Hawaii, that settles the question of where he was born.

In a number of states they used to list religion on the birth certificate, and some have speculated that this might be why Obama is concealing his. If it were to list him as Muslim, it would not only hurt him politically, but result in a death sentence in the Muslim world. It appears there is no probably no such listing of religion on Hawaiian birth certificates of that time period, based on your link, so I’m satisfied.

timcajun said:
disenlightened says:

All Obama has to do is show us his actual birth certificate and all this “crazy” speculation will go away, right? Why won’t he?

He has many times, its on line! This is more of a joke to fire up the sheep, somewhat to make fun of them!
Only a total moron would think” Fox “wouldn’t offer a million dollar reward to bring Obama down! Where’s the smoking gun!

He has not shown his ACTUAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE. You’re embarrassing yourself.

Yes! Now bring me the college transcripts! Show me what academic papers the Constitutional Law Professor/Harvard Law Review President has ever published! Release the video of him praising Rashid Khalidi!

Pablo said:
Yes! Now bring me the college transcripts! Show me what academic papers the Constitutional Law Professor/Harvard Law Review President has ever published! Release the video of him praising Rashid Khalidi!

I think he only had ONE paper at Harvard. That’s all that was found.

And because he didn’t do any writing, he was put on the Harvard Law Review because of affirmative action goals. See an older version of the Wikipedia entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harvard_Law_Review&oldid=251403000

You have to look back to November 2008 for the information on the requirements because the information was scrubbed. Here it is and you can see why:

“Fourteen editors (two from each 1L section) are selected based on a combination of their first-year grades and their competition scores. Twenty editors are selected based solely on their competition scores. The remaining editors are selected on a discretionary basis. Some of these discretionary slots may be used to implement the Review’s affirmative action policy.”

For some reason, the current version sort of skips the “affirmative action policy.”

So it’s so funny when liberals call Obama a scholar. (No Teleprompters at Harvard, either!)

@disenlightened
You need help. By the way the constitution didn’t limit the presidency to Christians.

Pablo said:
Yes, therefore there is no question whatsoever that he satisfies the Constitutional citizenship requirement for a job he isn’t running for.

From what I can tell, we agree that there’s no question about Obama’s legitimacy as a sitting president. If that’s correct, then there are as many questions between the two of us about Obama’s legitimacy as there are about Bush’s: None.

Pablo said:
The question is one of citizenship and Constitutional qualification, not legitimacy. When your parentage and place of birth are well known to be American, people don’t have questions about your citizenship. When they don’t know that, they’re more inclined to doubt.

But we know Obama’s parentage and place of birth. Obama’s fulfilled that requirement. I sense from other posts that you agree with that conclusion. The distinction between us is that apparently argue that you can see how birtherism is a reasonable response in light of the same evidence that has convinced both you and me that Obama is a citizen. Constitutional requirements aren’t subjective, so if there’s enough evidence of Obama being a natural-born citizen to convince a majority of people, then arguing that he’s not a natural-born citizen under the American Constitution is unreasonable.

Pablo said:
If we had a baby faced 35 year old running, do you think people would be out of line in asking for some evidence of his age?

I would say it is unreasonable, yes, because age is just as easily verifiable as one’s place of birth.

Pablo said:
BTW, Bush’s legitimacy as an American President is up to snuff BECAUSE of those two terms he served. Obama’s is up to snuff too, ever since the inauguration. Agree or disagree?

Agreed. I don’t understand, then, the need for Obama to volunteer his academic records. If there’s consensus between us that he’s a legitimate president, should his legitimacy be nullified if he had lower-than-expected academic scores? Wouldn’t that be more hollow posturing for the sake of politicking, and not a substantive debate on policy or the issues?

Reality is the right wing media has done or attempted to do character assassination of every Democratic president for as long as I can remember. They did it to Clinton, Carter, LBJ, and just started before the death of JFK. So the birth of the “birthers” by the right wing media should not be a surprise to any of us. If Rush really wanted to dig up some dirt he may want to look into who funds Wikileaks. He may find some well funded red faced right wing groups had poured a bunch of cash their direction. Of course he wouldn’t want to do that! That would tarnish his right wing image and his gravy train might stop.
Who do you folks think fund these radical groups? They don’t have a money tree in their back yard.

blurgh. said:
From what I can tell, we agree that there’s no question about Obama’s legitimacy as a sitting president. If that’s correct, then there are as many questions between the two of us about Obama’s legitimacy as there are about Bush’s: None.

Right.

But we know Obama’s parentage and place of birth. Obama’s fulfilled that requirement. I sense from other posts that you agree with that conclusion. The distinction between us is that apparently argue that you can see how birtherism is a reasonable response in light of the same evidence that has convinced both you and me that Obama is a citizen.

It’s reasonable to ask. It’s reasonable to wonder. It stops being reasonable when you get the answer and refuse to accept it. The question has been asked and answered, AFAIC.

I would say it is unreasonable, yes, because age is just as easily verifiable as one’s place of birth.

You think it would be unreasonable to ask for verification of an easily verifiable Constitutional requirement? I don’t follow.

Agreed. I don’t understand, then, the need for Obama to volunteer his academic records.

1. He ran as Mr. Transparency.

2. He’s supposed to be a brilliant scholar.

He doesn’t have to release them, obviously. But I sure would like to see them.

Pablo said:
He doesn’t have to release them, obviously. But I sure would like to see them.

Why? He proven himself to the proper agencies so why do you need to see them?

Obimbo’s mother was a legal citizen of this country. As far as I’m concerned, that makes him a citizen, end of story!

Limbaugh DOES appeal to those extreme GOP knuckle-draggers.

Truth said:
Why? He proven himself to the proper agencies so why do you need to see them?

Do you understand English? The only stupid question is the one that’s already been answered.

Pablo said:
Do you understand English? The only stupid question is the one that’s already been answered

Thank you Professor Pablo, but I don’t think when he referred to Transparency he was referring to completely opening to the world his full resume and flashing his birth cert around. Next thing you guys will want to know is how many times he and Michele have sex a week.

skyfet said:
@disenlightened
You need help. By the way the constitution didn’t limit the presidency to Christians.

Hey, come here. Pull my finger.

He can’t possibly be this stupid, can he?

Gasket said:
Confirmation bias with a touch of racial prejudice…nice! Because the only way a colored person can succeed in America is vis-a-vis the scraps laid out at the feet of his white master…eh Sean? Do you feel the same way about Justice Clarence Thomas stature or do you make a special exception for that conservative uppity Negro? Just wondering since you decided to play the race card. Did Bush release his all his transcripts before he was elected to the office of the President? Just wondering again….since that’s the bar Obama is being measured to for the revelation of his own. I would also love to see Bush’s birth certificate as well. I mean…why should I “trust” what I’m told about his place of birth. That is crazy talk.

http://2004.georgewbush.org/bios/yale-transcript.asp

Truth said:
Thank you Professor Pablo, but I don’t think when he referred to Transparency he was referring to completely opening to the world his full resume and flashing his birth cert around.

Actually, he has produced his birth certificate. Why wouldn’t you want to know about his history? He’s the frigging President. They’re going to write dozens more books about him.

Did you want to see Bush’s military records when the left was trying to declare him AWOL?

Pablo said:
It’s reasonable to ask. It’s reasonable to wonder. It stops being reasonable when you get the answer and refuse to accept it. The question has been asked and answered, AFAIC.

It’s reasonable to ask. Once. And it was answered definitively. To endlessly wonder about something that has been answered definitively is to exercise one’s imagination, not reason.

Pablo said: You think it would be unreasonable to ask for verification of an easily verifiable Constitutional requirement? I don’t follow.

Again, is it unreasonable to ask once? Not at all. But to contradict something that has been demonstrably proven or disproved for the sake of politics is unreasonable. The burden of proof is surely on the candidate, again, Constitutional requirements are not subjective. Once they are met, any questions on the matter that ignore the evidence provided become less reasonable in the face of said evidence.

Pablo said:1. He ran as Mr. Transparency.

2. He’s supposed to be a brilliant scholar.

He doesn’t have to release them, obviously. But I sure would like to see them.

His standard of personal transparency is no different from presidents of the recent past. Again, Bush’s records were leaked after he refused to release them. Obama’s scholarship is irrelevant to his supporters, and those ambivalent to his presidency wouldn’t be swayed by his GPA at this point . The only ones with a vested in such records are his detractors.

Try as I might, I cannot imagine a bigger F**cking A**hole than Limbaugh. He’s just a truly horrible and substandard human being. The worst thing he’s ever done to this country is recover from his heart attack..!!

JazzDrummer7 said:
Try as I might, I cannot imagine a bigger F**cking A**hole than Limbaugh. He’s just a truly horrible and substandard human being. The worst thing he’s ever done to this country is recover from his heart attack..!!

Quick, got a mirror?

blurgh. said:
It’s reasonable to ask. Once. And it was answered definitively. To endlessly wonder about something that has been answered definitively is to exercise one’s imagination, not reason.

Right, and as you’ve noticed, I don’t approve of beating that dead horse.

His standard of personal transparency is no different from presidents of the recent past. Again, Bush’s records were leaked after he refused to release them. Obama’s scholarship is irrelevant to his supporters, and those ambivalent to his presidency wouldn’t be swayed by his GPA at this point . The only ones with a vested in such records are his detractors.

You don’t think that kind of info would be helpful to the electorate? A lot of employers want to see your transcripts before they’ll hire you, and President is an awfully big job. And what about historians? They spend careers digging that sort of detail up.

His standard of personal transparency is no different from presidents of the recent past.

I repeat, he ran on a promise to be fully transparent. He did not run on being just like George Bush.

Pablo said:
You don’t think that kind of info would be helpful to the electorate? A lot of employers want to see your transcripts before they’ll hire you, and President is an awfully big job. And what about historians? They spend careers digging that sort of detail up.

Then let historians dig the details up. In Obama’s own words, “[he] won.” He won without providing academic records. Some might have voted against Obama because he didn’t provide them; a majority voted for him in spite of it, signifying that the electorate was not interested. We’re free to tell the electorate that they’re wrong about things, but making conversation with a brick wall would prove more effective.

Pablo said:
I repeat, he ran on a promise to be fully transparent. He did not run on being just like George Bush.

He ran on a promise of running a transparent government in the name of accountability. His academic records are related to neither transparent government or accountability.

Pablo said:
I’d say that the American people benefit from that kind of transparency, a key selling point of Obama’s candidacy. I wouldn’t release mine either, just on principle, but then, I’m not asking America to make me its President. We’ve got Bush’s, we’ve got Kerry’s, why shouldn’t we have Obama’s?

trust me they will come out , Bush never released his, instead they were just leaked. Just let the things take their course..

Pablo rants:”Forget the birth certificate and give me the college transcripts!”

the freaken guy graduated Magna Cum Laude fro Harvard for christ sake—what the hell else do you need, you foolish freak? You would do better looking for Bush’s and his Military papers showing where he was during his AWOL days !

Limbaugh is his usual big bag of wind ! If he wants to see the Certified copy of the birth Cert—then all he has to do is go to factcheck.org ! there it is, with Fact Check’s guarantee it is original !

And if he is talking about more than that, then let me give him a little education !

So What About That “Long Form Birth Certificate”?

There’s really no such thing. What these conspiracy theorists are probably referring to is the “birth certificate” that people sometimes get at a hospital (often times complete with the baby’s footprint, etc) but the truth is that kind is actually nothing more than a souvenir meant for scrapbooks and has absolutely no legal meaning. For example the hospital souveneir is not acceptable for getting a passport, while the official state certified birth certificate Obama put online is.

In other words, these “birthers” (the name for the conspiracy theorists who won’t admit the obvious fact that Obama was born in Hawaii) won’t accept the official certified birth certificate that Obama has put online because they’d rather see a meaningless souvenir instead. It’s such a ridiculous concept as to be truly hilarious.

There’s Only One Type Of State Certified Birth Certificate

When you contact the state of your birth and ask for a certified copy of your birth certificate they send you a particular type of “certificate of live birth” (each state’s forms are particular to that state.) In Hawaii they send you the type of document that Obama put up. That’s it. There’s no other form. There’s nothing he’s hiding. In fact, as mentioned at the beginning of this article, he’s shown more than any President in history.

When you ask for your birth certificate there’s no box you check for “short form” or “long form.” There’s only one official birth certificate document in a state at any one time (these forms may change over the years of course, which is why some people show examples of forms with more or less information on them, even in the same state.)

so stfu, Rushie, make your dirty dollars on something other than Lies !

You need more than This, Pablo? WHY? Is this all you got in your right wing hate filled racist arsenal?

“So how did Barack Obama fare in college?

It’s unclear how well he did as an undergraduate, although he was not a distinguished student. Obama refuses to release his transcript from his undergraduate years. According to an article in the Wall Street Journal, Obama was not well-known among classmates after he transferred to Columbia University from Occidental College in the early 1980s. The article quotes a former roommate who states that Obama’s performance improved after he stopped taking drugs (which Obama has admitted to openly). Since Obama did not graduate with honors, that means his GPA was between a 2.0 and a 3.3 — although, since he was admitted to Harvard Law School, it’s hard to imagine his GPA was much lower than a 3.3.

Obama graduated from Columbia in 1983 with a degree in political science. He specialized in international relations.

Law school was another story for Obama. He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School (the second highest honor available) in 1991. He also was the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, a very prestigious honor.

PBerg said:
So What About That “Long Form Birth Certificate”?

There’s really no such thing. What these conspiracy theorists are probably referring to is the “birth certificate” that people sometimes get at a hospital (often times complete with the baby’s footprint, etc) but the truth is that kind is actually nothing more than a souvenir meant for scrapbooks and has absolutely no legal meaning.

Does that make the Governor of Hawaii and the Director of the Hawaii Department of Health conspiracy theorists? Because they swear his original long form is in the vault, and shows he was born in Hawaii.

Fat, ignorant, has-been Druggies never get under my skin. Rush is just a paid waterboy for the GOP.

Rush Limbaugh, doesn’t sound American, but does have a bit of a Nazi-esque ring to it. Well, the Nazis were right-wing blowhards like fatso Rush so….

Are dittoheads ALWAYS so envious of intelligent, capable men?

PBerg said:
Limbaugh is his usual big bag of wind ! If he wants to see the Certified copy of the birth Cert—then all he has to do is go to factcheck.org ! there it is, with Fact Check’s guarantee it is original!

Limbaugh is tweaking guys like you. He’s playing you like a little wooden marionette (that would be “puppet” for those in Rio Linda), and you’re dangling on his strings with a big, dumbass smile on your face, loving it. I’ll bet you’ve been taken snipe hunting, haven’t you?

hey Pablo you are as an idiot as Rush a bigot

disenlightened Limbaugh is a bigot so are you

OK, I’ll bite. PBerg. You said: Limbaugh is his usual big bag of wind ! If he wants to see the Certified copy of the birth Cert—then all he has to do is go to factcheck.org ! there it is, with Fact Check’s guarantee it is original! You don’t know it but you are complaining about the wrong guy. Limbaugh has always dismissed the birth cert issue. He’s got you. Limbaugh is frankly, brilliant. I was an early birther and Rush disuaded me long ago. None the less, as Rush quips, Obama is the least qualified person in every room he walks into. It is only a slight exaggeration, but brilliant.

abowen said:
hey Pablo you are as an idiot as Rush a bigot

Oh, snap! Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries, beeyotch!

Rush Limbaugh is a partiot and I listen to him everyday. There is no more to be said except for this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_P6yU_ymFM&feature=share

Limbaugh Slams Liberals: Where’s The Wikileaks With Obama’s Birth Certificate?

Hilarious! This ought to have the liberals’ panties in a wad for WEEKS!

Biscuit said:
Scrawny, ignorant, has-been Druggies never get under my skin. 0bama is just a paid waterboy for the DNC.

Fixed that for you.

Socialist said:
trust me they will come out

I could NEVER trust a socialist.