Now that the liberals have maxed out the race card, they are going to focus on the class warfare card.  Yawn. 

I bet they’d all get along just fine. 

Note to Palm Beach locals : If you catch Bill Maher on your lawn , pour some beer or salt on him and he’ll dissolve . The trail of slime will disappear in a few days .

Bill Maher is not a liberal. He’s a libertarian and a radical – inthe original slense of the word.
ArthurAlpert

How convenient for the liberal democrats to forget all the filthy-rich democrats living there?

Oh, snap. Hello!

The rich fight and win class warfare all the time. Why do conservatives who don’t have much money suck up to them so much? Do they all have the mentality of assistant managers? Do they really believe that one fine day they too will rise? Fat chance, losers….

You CONSTANTLY talk about race.

Just glancing though the boards and it’s what you do day in day out, all day every day???

Do you have a problem with race?

The fact that Florida doesn’t have income tax doesn’t hurt either.  Texas doesn’t have income tax, but sadly the whole state is in Texas.

I suppose you use the way the blacks suck up to the Dem party or the way Obama sucks up to the banks and the union as to where you got your idea?

Do you think Jay-Z does?

”
My president is black, in fact he’s half white. So even in a racist mind he’s half right. My president is black, but his house is all white! Never thought I’d say this shit, baby I’m good. You can keep your pussy because I don’t want no more Bush. No more war. No more white lies, my president is black.”

GrafX, try reading this other Mediaite thread and then tell me who talks about race all the time. http://www.mediaite.com/tv/ann-coulter-on-medias-vetting-of-gop-candidates-can-we-get-the-ad-to-find-obamas-cocaine-dealer/

“Texas doesn’t have income tax, but sadly the whole state is in Texas.” I’m using that line on my Texan boyfriend the first chance I get.

Yawn

Yawn, yawn, yawn.

How is this article about “class warfare?”

Conservatives are the ones who talk about “class warfare,” not liberals.

How is it “class warfare” waged by liberals when CEOs of major corporations now are making more money than they ever did before?  They are making more money now than before the start of the great recession.  They have seen their pay dramatically increase over the years, but the pay of average workers has gone up only slightly.  I heard just today on national news that workers should not expect much of a raise next year.  Yet these same CEOs are not hiring more people, so how do they justify their huge increases in salary?  Must be “class warfare.”

Was it “class warfare” in the Clinton years when federal taxes were 3 points higher than after the Bush tax cuts?  That’s all Obama has been asking for.  3 more points, to get us where we were before, to help pay down the debt.  No, that will not pay the entire debt down, but it’s a start, and it will help.  How is this “class warfare?”

Was it “class warfare” during WWII and the few decades afterwards when the top tax bracket was at times over 90%?  Yet in the decades following WWI, we had great propserity, in spite of those huge tax rates on those so-called “job creators.”

Conservatives are the ones who use that term “class warfare,” not liberals.  I see conservative republicans in Congress often use this term.  I often see conservative pundits and their guests on Faux News use this term, not liberals.

Yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn, yawn.

And, I forgot to add that every poll I have seen in the past few months about raising taxes puts some 70% to 80% of all Americans would approve of raising taxes on the most wealthy.

This large of a percentage has to include independents and republicans.

Boehner goes around saying that he wants to do what the American people want, so why is he so afraid of the tea party that he won’t increase taxes?

I’m not sure how you make a witch go away, but Palm Beach locals ought to find out, if indeed, Ann Coulter lives there.  Same with rush the vile pig limbaugh.  I’m really not sure how you make someone this evil and odious go away, but I certainly wouldn’t want this drugster in my neighborhood.

It’s funny how conservatives claim that low taxes entice business to hire people.  While Texas has no taxes, and while Rick Perry claims he has such a marvelous record on employment, Texas is actually only 26th on the list when it comes to unemployment figures.  They should have one of the lowest rates of unemployment in the country if low taxes do what Perry claim they do (note that they also have one of the highest personal property tax rates in the country.)

But Florida is even worse.  For a state that has no income tax, it seems mighty awkward that they are 45th highest in unemployment in the country.

Since the republican  Governor Scott is into pharmaceuticals, Florida should work out quite well for Rush.

I think a really nice place for Maher would be Mars

Median annual pay last year for top executives at 200 large companies was $10.8 million, 23 % higher than 2009.  Median pay last year for 100 million full-time wage and salary workers was $752 a week, or about $39,000 a year, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics.Beyond compassion, there are reasons to be unsettled by this state of affairs. One is that people with stagnant or nonexistent wages don’t have money to spend, which hobbles economic recovery. Another is the threat of instability if people are poor, jobless, or stressed for too long. Historians point to the Gilded Age as a time when huge fortunes, widespread hardship, corporate corruption, political protest movements, and militant labor unrest set the stage for government to regulate business and provide a social safety
  

Isn’t it strange how when you ask the religious right fanatics who are obviously in the middle class or poor category as to why they are supporting no new taxes on the rich, they bring up race?
The facts are clear.  If the rich continue to get richer and the middle class and poor get poorer, there will be an uprising and it won’t be good for the rich or the conservatives and it just won’t be black against white.

Heck, we don’t have a state income tax either.  And, Washington is a BLUE state.

a libertarian he is not.

but you’re happy with Maher – who does everything and then some.  Choosy aren’t you? lol

yah right.  Are you for real – get that hearing checked and the cataracts removed. 

So, if you don’t get your way, there’s going to be violence?

What makes you think that’s not going to go well for conservatives or the rich?

How is it any of your damned business how much other people make?

No, because Texas has a very rapidly growing population. People are moving to Texas in droves, some of them bring jobs with them and others looking for work.

http://tinyurl.com/3e838ct

Any business person will tell you that taxes play no part in whether or not to hire additional people.  If there is demand for their product or service, they will hire more people.  Then again, as a lot of corporations are doing now in order to increase their bottom line, they just load the work onto the current employees.  Instead of paying them hourly they will put them on salary so they don’t have to pay them overtime.  That is what happens in non-union corporations and “right-to work states”.  They can make you work 60 hour weeks instead of 40 – at the same salary. 

My hearing is fine, and although I wear glasses, I have no cataracts.

I think you’d best have your mental health checked.

I don’t care how much individuals make, but it is a known fact that the income inequality in this country is the greatest it has ever been.  We are something like 45th highest in income inequality in the world.

It is a known fact that CEOs of large corporations make many millions and that their salaries now are greater than what they were before the great recession.  It is a known fact that the average worker’s salaries are relatively stagnant.

This is what I care about……that the income inequality is so great, and that while the very wealthy keep on getting even more wealthy, the average worker’s salary is not increasing all that much.

As mentioned elsewhere on this site, I once was in the highest of tax brackets.  I could care less if I paid 36% or 39% in federal income tax.

I made that amount of money because of the good jobs people who worked for me did.  Those multi-million dollar CEOs also are making the money they do off of the backs of the middle class workers who work for them.  This country has allowed these people to make such money, especially now, at a time when taxes are at an all time low. 

Maher hasn’t seem to have be become an addict, and rush the vile pig has become one.  Further, rush the vile pig has on a number of occasions said that drug users should go to jail.  Why didn’t he go to jail? He has made statements that he thought there should be stronger sentences.

Well, I guess he was once arrested for “doctor shopping” and getting so many pain killers.

He once sarcastically said that “we” are going to let drug users destroy their lives and then “we’ll pay for whatever messes you get into.”

Limbaugh is “choosy,” isn’t he, when it comes to going to jail for drug use.

That’s a load of crap “gorge”, back up your nonsense with some sort of verifiable facts.

“TMP”

You forgot to add that over 50% of the drugs coming into this country come through Texas, where the drugs are repackaged and redistributed elsewhere.  That produces jobs and boosts the local economy when those drug dealers spend money!

The high price of oil also has contributed to jobs in Texas.  While consumers have been hurt by the high price, the state of Texas and the oil companies operating there have gained a lot.

I should also point out that a recent Wall Street Journal article has pointed out that while the private sector has increased jobs by 9% during the decade Parry has been governor, the public (government) sector grew by 19%.

Most of the jobs in the past few years in Texas are public sector/government jobs.  I believe since 2008, there has actually been a very slightly decrease in the private sector. 

Further, Parry used billions of stimulus money, not only from Obama, but also from the previous administration.  Parry used Obama’s stimulus money to pay for public sector jobs and to help close his state’s budget gap.  Texas has received the 2nd highest amount  of federal stimulus money from Obama.

That same Wall Street Journal article questions what will happen once actual budget cuts start to take place.  In July, Parry signed a $5B budget cut.

How about Obama, he was a druggy also?

“TMP”

I’m all for drug users, present and former being sent to jail.  First Obama and 90% of the liberals and then Rush.

“TMP”

Corporations are sitting on trilliions in cash.  I believe Apple has more cash on hand than does the U.S. government.

They are not hiring because of low demand.  If corporations are so productive, now, saving trillions in cash, why would they hire anyone if consumers generally are not buying things, in particular, if they can get the current work done with their current number of employees?

There is a conservative AM radio talk show here in town.  A couple of years ago, the conservative host asked small business owners, listeners to his program, to call in and tell him if they thought they were paying too much in taxes.  Almost every single one of them said, “no,” taxes were not too high.  Their main complaint was that the tax code is complicated, and it changes every year.  They have to hire accountants every year in order to figure out the tax code changes.

I’ve read articles in Bloomberg and Moody’s which claim that if you change taxes on the wealthy, they will not change their spending habits.  They will change their savings instead.  For instance, if taxes are lowered, they won’t buy more, but they will save more.

You have to stop believing all those Liberal polls.  If you are a poll person, you should be more woried about Obies poll numbers dropping to below 40%.

The leftist rhetoric isn’t working any more.

“TMP”

You have to stop believing all those Liberal polls.  If you are a poll person, you should be more woried about Obies poll numbers dropping to below 40%.

The leftist rhetoric isn’t working any more.

“TMP”

What about George W. Bush?

I don’t see it that way GrafX.  It’s the Liberals who are constantly yelling RACIST and Michelle is just pointing out the fact that it’s not working anymore. Now it’s class warfare and that is rapidly getting old.

The rhetoric isn’t working anymore.

“TMP”

Zermatt2, if you think you’re not paying enough taxes then write a check.  Put your money where your rhetoric is.

“TMP”

What about Bill Clinton?

“TMP”

George Bush was not a drug user you idiot.  You reinvented yourself to post nonsense?  

And, where do you get your 90% of liberals use drugs figure from?  That’s mighty curious.

Bush is not a liberal. 

What about former Republican governor of New Mexicao, Gary Johnson?  I don’t know if he has ever admitted to smoking pot, but he is all in favor of decriminalizing it…..and, to hear him speak, you’d almost bet that he has indeed smoked weed.

I wonder if Ron Paul has ever done drugs?

I know a conservative Republican who many years ago I saw on a number of occasions smoking dope.

I bet there are many non-liberals who use drugs, although probably not at the 90% figure that you use for liberals!!!

That’s not the point, ST.  The point is that in order to make more of a difference, it should be written into the tax code that the very wealthy pay a few more points in taxes.  That’s the way it was in the Clinton years…..3 points, I repeat, only 3  points higher than it is now.

How many greedy Wall Street types would pay extra?  These guys got bailed out by all of us, yet they took their huge bonuses later. 

And, my “rhetoric” is true.  I made no qualms whatsoever when I had to pay that 39% rate. 

You present no proof just crap. Spreading crap isn’t facts Zermatt2. My 90% is pretty accurate considering who you people are. It seems that you’ve been into your stash today by the way you’re posting here.

“TMP”

They’re not “liberal” polls.  I have seen a number of them.

Republicans in general have lower poll numbers than Obama does, as does Congress.

Conservative/repuglican rhetoric hasn’t worked in a long time.

So you’r a hypocrite. OK, I understand.

“TMP”

SoThere,

The only one full of crap is you.  I have presented facts. You have not.  You just throw out absurd numbers.  My parents are liberals.  They don’t use drugs.  They never have. 

I have tried weed a couple of times more than 10 years ago.  It didn’t do anything for me.   I haven’t touched it since.

Basing your “facts” on what I write here sounds to me as if you are on drugs.

Using your crazy figures, your made up math, then I could cut your 90% down to 33% simply by saying that out of 3 people, my parents and myself, only 1 has ever tried weed.  That’s not the correct way to doing so, but it’s better than your crazy figure of 90%, which you apparently have simply pulled out of your rear end.

Right, but Obama’s running for President and things are going to change because you spread your class warfare rhetoric.

People are unemployed, twice as many Blacks are unemployed vs, Whites. Mortgages are still being foreclosed on thanks to Barney Frank and prices in the supermarket are beginning to skyrocket.

A year from now people are going to ask themselves one question (as the always do) am I better off today then when Obama took office then they go into the booth and vote? You know what the answer is going to be.

Your rhetoric won’t work in the voting booth.

“TMP”

“TMP”

You spread crap with no facts to back up your nonsense. I’m not surprised that you are a druggie Zermatt2. Sorry, never touch the stuff.

You’re leftist rhetoric won’t work on me pall, I’ve heard it all before from people like you. Go toke up another one.

“TMP”

How is raising taxes on the so called rich going to help you? Do you expect the government will spend the money in order to help you.

Ok I will give you the 3 percent if we go back to the same spending under the Clinton administration.

You’re the idiot.  Seems like I touched a nerve, huh, moron?

Bush did admit to drinking heavily, and alcohol is considered to be a drug.

In so many words, Bush has admitted to smoking weed.  In an ABC interview, Bush was asked if he had tried marijuana.  His response was that he didn’t want to answer the question because he “didn’t want some little kid trying what he (I) tried.”

Yes, there are rumors that Bush used cocaine, although he has never admitted it.  But he has responded to questions of this nature with the response that he was “young and irresponsible.”

I honestly don’t care if anyone has smoked dope.  I don’t like it if someone tries cocaine, but if it was something some some time ago, when someone was “young and irresponsible,” it doesn’t bother me, either.

So, Bush has not denied using such drugs when asked.

I’m not a druggie, ST.  I said I tried weed a couple of times more than 10 years ago and haven’t touched it since.  The only drugs I have used in the past 10 years have been prescription drugs, and those have been few and far between.  Oh, I guess I take an occasional aspirin every now and then, and I do take a daily multi-vitamin every morning with breakfast.

Just love you conservatives…..you claim that liberals don’t use facts, but you conservatives apparently don’t use them either.  There is absolutely no facts behinds your claim of 90% of liberals using drugs.  Absolutely none.   Nothing; nada; zip.

You have nothing, nada, zip in your brain.  You must have wasted it many years ago, on drugs!

Your a freaking idiot – never mind moron.  Now crawl back in the hole you crawled out of.

You threw out a lie and then tried to back it up with more lies.  Don’t bother responding – I will not be responding to your idiotic posts – done bah bye

Sorry I don’t touch the stuff. You have admitted that you’re a druggie. I still don’t see any facts backing up any of your crap here.

You have a nice liberal day now, ya hear.

Oh, and keep away from the drugs, it has damaged your brain.

“TMP”

The idiot came out of nowhere – a kid who made millions.  lol

Another fool who thinks anyone is buying the b.s. he’s selling.  Full of “facts” – lol

Yup zermy the wormy.  

I think everyone should pay their fair share of taxes

In your own words Zermatt2:

on South Florida: A Nice Place For Famous Republicans. And Bill Maher. 08/22/11 06:47 PM
Maher hasn’t seem to have be become an addict, and rush the vile pig has become one. Further, rush the vile pig has on a number of occasions said that drug users should go to jail. Why didn’t he go to jail? He has made statements that he thought there should be stronger sentences.

Limbaugh is “choosy,” isn’t he, when it comes to going to jail for drug use.

Now that you’re an admitted drug user when are you going to turn yourself in to the police. What was your excuse for taking drugs,

“rush the vile pig has become one.

Rush had a severe back injury that ruptured a disk. He became dependent on pain killers because of it. this is something people like you always fail to include in your hateful rants.

The radio talk show host said he first became addicted to painkillers “some years ago,” following spinal surgery. However, he added, “the surgery was unsuccessful and I continued to have severe pain in my lower back and also in my neck due to herniated discs. I am still experiencing that pain.”

He had tried to break his dependence in the past and has checked himself into medical facilities twice before, he said.

You’re a typical leftist idiot.

“TMP”

http://articles.cnn.com/2003-10-10/entertainment/rush.limbaugh_1_wilma-cline-rush-limbaugh-inaccuracies-and-distortions?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ

republicans will be running for Congress next year, as will Democrats. 

I  know perfectly well the unemployment figures.  They are horrible.  But you blame Barney Frank; I blame George W. Bush.

Bush lowered tax rates which benefited primarily the wealthy.  He did not raise taxes to pay for his 2 wars.  He is the only President who has not raised taxes during a time of war.

Yes, Obama has added to the deficit, but Bush started something, a cancer, which metastisized.  It was so bad, Obama had to do something drastic in order to try to fix the problem. 

There are many former Bush and Reagan treasury and budget people who have been saying that lowering taxes will be bad for the economy.  Bruce Bartlett, former advisor to Reagan and treasury official for Bush the first, wrote an article a few months ago titled, “No, Governor Pawlenty……Tax Cuts do not Pay for Themselves.”  He continues to speak out against this republican view.

David Stockman, head of the OMB under Reagan, basically says the same thing, as does Alan Simpson, former Republican senator.  Simpson was upset at Republicans for not wanting to raise the debt ceiling.

And speaking of Reagan, it should be noted that this conservative “hero” actually raised taxes a number of times.  One of those times was the largest tax increase in peacetime ever to that point. 

Bill Gross, founder and current head of the world’s largest bond fund, PIMCO, wrote to share holders 2 or 3 months ago that now is not the time for fiscal conservatism.  Mr. Gross is known as a fiscal conservative.  He said that if fiscal conservatism were to be implemented too quickly, it could hurt the economy.  He in fact suggested more stimulus.

After Congress agreed to raising the debt limit, Bill Gross said that it did not go far enough.  He said that trillions need to be cut out of the budget.  But he also said that trillions more need to be raised through tax increases.

So, Mr. or Ms. SoThere…..you say I use no facts; what I just listed are facts, plain and simple.

I still want to know what facts or what source you have used to claim that 90% of liberals use drugs!

I know. It’s funny when they come out proclaiming their intelligence and after they post a few time they display their ignorance.

“TMP”

I blame Barney Frank and Chris Dodd for the collapse in the Housing industry.  Do some research. 

http://rapidcityjournal.com/news/opinion/columnists/national/article_6a24427c-dbd2-11df-9fd4-001cc4c03286.htmlBush's tax cuts benefited everyone, not just the rich.  Do more research.The Wall Street Journal editorial page
states that taxes paid by millionaire households more than doubled from $136
billion in 2003 to $274 billion in 2006 because of the JGTRRAThe 2001
act and the 2003 act
significantly lowered the marginal tax rates for nearly all U.S. taxpayers. One
byproduct of this tax rate reduction was that it brought to prominence a
previously lesser known provision of the U.S. Internal Revenue Code, the Alternative
Minimum Tax (AMT). The AMT was originally designed as a way of making sure
that wealthy taxpayers could not take advantage of “too many” tax incentives and
reduce their tax obligation by too much. It is a parallel system of calculating
a taxpayer’s tax liability that eliminates many deductions. However the
applicable AMT rates were not adjusted to match the lowered rates of the 2001
and 2003 acts, causing many more people to face higher taxes. This reduced the
benefit of the two acts for many upper-middle income earners, particularly those
with deductions for state and local income taxes, dependents, and property
taxes. wiki
The House and Senate approved both wars and approved their finances every year.

Reagan raised taxes on the promise of future cuts in spending.  They never came. He then cut taxes.
 You need to do more research. http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/reagtxct/reagtxct.htmOBTW, the economy improved because of Reagans  tax cuts  and policies.The problems in this country “metastisized” after the Democrats gained control of the House and Senate in 2007. The number of unemployed persons was 7.4 million in the fourth quarter of
2007, an increase of 600,000 compared with the level in the fourth quarter of
2006. Unemployment in 2007 = 4.6%                          2008 = 5.8%                          2009 = 9.3                          2010 = 9.6Typical tax and spend liberals. You post opinions from people who are stating just that, opinions.Where did you copy and paste that from?  You should credit your sources unless you prefer to be a plagiarizer.I don’t see any verifiable references in your post just opinions from former this guy  or that guy.

Nice try, classic fail.

“TMP”

Florida does not have an income tax.  It does have a liberal – so to speak – concealed carry law.  What more can an conservative talker who has made it want?  Also bagels as good as any in NYC, and good food generally.

iS YOUR BRAIN MADE OF STONE? WHO WOULDN’T BE FOR RAISING OTHER PEOPLES TAXES.

DON’T HERE THEM TALKING ABOUT THE 51% WHO PAY NO TAXES AT ALL.

GUESS YOU LIKE TO STEAL OTHER PEOPLES MONEY. OH HUM. 

ONCE AGAIN ZERMATT2, WAIT TILL THERE IS ONLY ONE CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE AGAINST OBAMA. NYBODY WITH A 26%FAVORABLE RATTING (GALLUP) IS A DEAD MAN WALKING.

ZERMATT:

CEO”S GET THEIR PAY FROM PRIVATE (NON GOVERNMENTAL) INSTITUTIONS. THE GET PAIS BASED ON PERFORMANCE. WHEN THEY MAKE BIG MONEY FOR TEIR STOCK HOLDERS THEY EARN BIG SALARIES AND EVERYBODY IS HAPPY. IF THEY DON’T PERFORM THE GET FIRED, PERIOD. THA IS THE CAPATILISTIC SYSTEM. THAT IS OUR SYSTEM SO GET USED TO IT.

THOSE PEOPLE IN PRIVATE INDUSTRY MAKE THEIR MONEY ON MERRIT. IF YOU DON’T PERFORM YOU USALLY ARE OUT. CONTRARY IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR YOU MAKE YOUR MONEY NO MATTER WHAT YOUR PERFORMANCE IS. THAT IS THE PROBLEM OUR COUNTRY FACES NOW. WAY TO MANY PEOPLE ON THE PUBLIC DOLE NOT PERFORMING BUT DRAWING PENSIONS AND BONUSES FOR NON PERFORMANCE. STOP TRYING TO EVEN OUT THE WEALTH. ALL MEN ARE EUAL BUT SOME ARE A LOT MORE EQUAL THEN OTHERS.

ZERMATT:

CEO”S GET THEIR PAY FROM PRIVATE (NON GOVERNMENTAL) INSTITUTIONS. THE GET PAIS BASED ON PERFORMANCE. WHEN THEY MAKE BIG MONEY FOR TEIR STOCK HOLDERS THEY EARN BIG SALARIES AND EVERYBODY IS HAPPY. IF THEY DON’T PERFORM THE GET FIRED, PERIOD. THA IS THE CAPATILISTIC SYSTEM. THAT IS OUR SYSTEM SO GET USED TO IT.

THOSE PEOPLE IN PRIVATE INDUSTRY MAKE THEIR MONEY ON MERRIT. IF YOU DON’T PERFORM YOU USALLY ARE OUT. CONTRARY IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR YOU MAKE YOUR MONEY NO MATTER WHAT YOUR PERFORMANCE IS. THAT IS THE PROBLEM OUR COUNTRY FACES NOW. WAY TO MANY PEOPLE ON THE PUBLIC DOLE NOT PERFORMING BUT DRAWING PENSIONS AND BONUSES FOR NON PERFORMANCE. STOP TRYING TO EVEN OUT THE WEALTH. ALL MEN ARE EUAL BUT SOME ARE A LOT MORE EQUAL THEN OTHERS.

ZERMATT:

AT FIRST I HAD SOME BUYERS REMRSE IN CALLING YOUR BRAIN STONE, HOWEVER , SINCE ALL THAT INVICTIVE CRAP YOU ARE THROWNG AT 123 AND TMP I NO LONGER HAVE THAT REMORSE.

YOU APPEAR TO BE QUITE NAIVE AND PRETTY DAMN DUMB AT THAT

Wow, SoThere.  You’re actually trying to use “facts,” now!  Good for you.
 
I think you are wrong, however, on the unemployment rate that Obama inherited. According to this chart from the Bureau of Labor Statistics, it was 7.8% in January of 2009, the month in which Obama took office.  Then it increased for a few months, and at least for those few months, you cannot blame Obama.  Sure, you can blame him now that the unemployment rate has not gone down and has gone even higher, but because of Bush, the unemployment rate did go over 8% in the first couple of months of Obama’s presidency. 
 
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000
 
I can also point out this chart, which shows the numbers of jobs lost under Bush vs. Obama.  Yes, the unemployment rate did go up under Obama because jobs were still being lost; however, the rate at which they were lost (and now are being gained) diminished a few months after Obama took office.
 
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-jobs-lost-in-the-bush-and-obama-administration-2010-2
 
While republicans say that the stimulus didn’t do any good, I believe Obama and the OMB when they say that the stimulus did help save jobs.  And, note, some 30% and higher of the stimulus was in fact tax cuts.  Why haven’t those tax cuts, as well as the extensions of the Bush tax cuts, caused more jobs?
 
As far as the original Bush tax cuts, yes, I know most if not all taxes were lower; however, the wealthy benefited the most, not only in terms of the total amount of money they saved; but also as a percentage of income.
 
The two lowest tax brackets in the 2003 reductions remained the same…..10% for the lowest, although, yes, the actual income this rate was taxed upon went up from $12,000 to $14,000.  Same is true for the 2nd lowest bracket….remained at 15%, and income level went from $27,950 to $28,400.  Note these are for people filing as single.
 
However, for the highest tax bracket, the rate dropped from 38.6% to 35%, and income was raised from $307,050 to $311,950 the income which the newly 35% was based upon.
 
Also note that capital gains were lowered across the board.  Note that most people who realize capital gains of any significance are usually the more wealthy people.
 
And, for all of these tax breaks, George Bush did not do so well in creating jobs.
 
Here is a Wall Street Journal article that says as much:
 
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/01/09/bush-on-jobs-the-worst-track-record-on-record/
 
Yeah, Obama hasn’t done better, but he still has another year and a half.  And, he did inherit a pretty crappy economy. The official start of the “great recession” is recognized as December, 2007.  Why didn’t Bush do anything to fix it?
 
As far as your charge of “plagiarism” is concerned, it is not “plagiarism” to say that a certain person said something.  You can very, very easily Google those people I mentioned and what they said.  And, I did mention their names.  Those people who are giving their “opinions” base their “opinion” on facts and on their experiences in these matters.  The two people I mentioned were budget and/or treasury officials under Reagan and Bush.  Bill Gross is a very wealthy man who speaks from his experience in managing the world’s largest bond fund.

I forgot to mention Alan Greenspan, who also has said that lowering taxes does not help create jobs, nor does it increase government revenue.  He was first appointed by Reagan, worked for both Bush’s, and, yes, worked for that evil Democrat, Bill Clinton.
 
I will just give one link….something Bill Gross said earlier this year.  He has been an outspoken critic of Congress’s inability to compromise on the debt ceiling and of waiting too longer to finally do so. 
 
http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/bill-gross-raise-my-taxes
 
I’m not going to waste my time to help some lazy person find other links.  And, I do not cut and paste.  I read a lot; I remember a lot of what I read.  I read both liberal and conservative sites; I watch both MSNBC as well as Fox News.
 
As far as you, Seek, I assume you are referring to me and calling me an “idiot.”  No, Seek.  You are the idiot.  I am assuming you are a conservative, and conservatives very often accuse liberals of name-calling.  Why is it that you have called me names on this thread?
 
And, if you, Seek, are claiming that I have made millions, that is not true, either.  I said that I was in the highest of tax brackets for a few years in my career. Actually, I think it was only 2 years.   I have never been and will never be a millionaire.  I just did well, especially in those years I talk about here, by working my tail off and, frankly, being in the right business at the right time.
 
SoThere, I once again applaud you for trying to use some facts for once.
 
But I still am really, really curious as to where you got your figure of 90% of liberals use drugs!!!!

Have a nice night, Seek and SoThere.

That 51% figure thrown about by conservatives/republicans is stupid.  Most of these people are poor.  In this country, in 2011, the definition of being below the poverty level is a family of 4 making less than $22,350 a year.

Further, it is a lie that 51% of people “pay taxes at all.”  They may not pay federal income tax, but they certainly pay other taxes which probably include state taxes; certainly includes gas taxes if they drive a ar; certainly includes sales taxes, that is, if they want to survive and have to buy food and clothing.  It also includes payroll (social security) taxes.

But you tell me……do you think it is a “sin” for people who make less than $22,500 not to pay federal income tax?  Then, you, my friend, are a very un-caring human being.

And as far as your charge of “stealing other peoples’ money,” I wonder what you think about conservatives/republicans/teapartiers’ desire to decrease and even completely eliminate Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid benefits?  Isn’t this “stealing other peoples’ money?”  I have put money into these programs for over 30 years.  I am still under 55, and Paul Ryan’s plan wants to enact his cuts for people under 55.  I have had some serious medical issues the past few years and have only been able to work part time; I will likely never get back to the type of jobs and salaries I have had in the past.

People in this age range who are unemployed are being referred to, now, as being “unemployable.”  How in the hell do you expect for someone who has been unemployed for awhile, someone in his 50s, or even late 40s, to get a decent job to even save for future retirement?  And you want to “steal” their money they have put into the system in order to pay down the debt? 

This is one of my biggest gripes because while people like you probably are perfectly fine with doing this, you are not fine with increasing the tax rates on the most wealthy by a few percentage points. 

Should have said that it is a lie that 51% of people “pay NO taxes at all.”

Yes, I know that, Nevada.  I have never worked for the public sector.  I have always worked in private industry, and I have worked my tail off.

It’s not true that every single person who works in the public sector is as you describe.  Yes, some do; some are lazy and do not do a good job and may stick around.  But others do get fired sometimes.

I am not trying to “even out the wealth.”  A CEO should make very much money; however, I will point out once again that the income inequality in this country between a CEO and the average worker is larger than it ever has been.  We are about 45th highest in the income inequality level.  While CEO pay has skyrocketted, even in this great recession, the average workers’ pay has pretty much stagnated.

There is something not quite right with that equation.  CEOs make their money by the hard work, by the good work, that their middle-class workers do.  In fact, CEOs, Wall Street Bankers, etc. often get huge bonuses, even if their performance is not so good.

Something tells me you also might be talking about public school teachers, and that is a pet peeve of mine.  You see conservative pundits make the claim that teachers do not work a full 12 months out of the year, and that is these pundits’ excuse for why teachers may only make $50,000 a year, but Wall Street bankers might makes many millions.  Their implication is that teachers do not work as hard as these Wall Street bankers.

This is BS.  My father was a teacher.  He often took on extra classes in the summer, so he did in fact work 12 months out of the year.  Regardless of whether he worked 9 months or 12 months, he almost always brought work home with him…..grading papers, tests, making up tests, etc.  He worked his tail off so he could support his family.

This really upsets me when people bash teachers, which I think is what you might be doing.

By the way, just love your all CAPs in your posts.

Many high-powered Republicans and Conservatives now move to Collier County (the Gulf side of South Florida).Collier and Lee Counties are “red” counties versus “blue” Palm Beach County. The same thing seems to be happening along the beaches of the Florida panhandle (Huckabee is an example). The very generalized rule of thumb here is Conservatives are more likely to move to the Gulf side and Liberals and Progressives to the Atlantic side. Palm Beach is old money, so it has a certain cache for many upper class souls, including  nouveau rich social climbers.

Hurricanes are a downside to Florida, especially right along the coast. Even though Hurricane Irene is expected to hit South Carolina, most people here on the peninsula are paying close attention (or at least should be). If Palm Beach (or any coastal city here) was directly hit by a Cat 4 or 5 or even a 3, it would be devastated. I live in West Central Florida, away from the coast on a ridge, but I always worry about Laurel Oak trees crashing into my house as well as having no electricity (thus no AC!) for days. I prefer winter in Florida over summer here by far, but I am a cold weather person (I live here for family reasons).

Well, yes, I will respond, Seek. 

There you go, again, calling names……something which I thought conservatives were very much against.

“You’re a freaking idiot – never mind moron. Now crawl back in the hole you crawled out of.”

Don’t you love it, when these conservatives bash liberals, saying that all they can do is call names, yet they go about and call liberals names????  Oh, the hypocrisy.

And, as far as as you’re concerned, SoThere, when I tried that weed, it was over ten years ago.  The statute of limitations certainly runs out on that.

But what’s more important is that when I tried that weed, I was in a country where it is not illegal to smoke small amounts of it.

 Nevada: “AT FIRST I HAD SOME BUYERS REMRSE IN CALLING YOUR BRAIN STONE, HOWEVER , SINCE ALL THAT INVICTIVE CRAP YOU ARE THROWNG AT 123 AND TMP I NO LONGER HAVE THAT REMORSE. YOU APPEAR TO BE QUITE NAIVE AND PRETTY DAMN DUMB AT THAT”

Oh, so sorry, Nevada, that you are so offended.  You should  learn from your dear leader, rush the vile pig limbaugh, that you shouldn’t let what people say about you hurt your feelings.  Yes, I once in a great while listen to this jerk, and I have heard him say that he doesn’t care what people think about him or say about him.

Although I have only been able to work part time the past few years, due to serious illness, before that, I had a long career in which I worked very hard and used my “stone” brain to earn a lot of money.  I am not “naive,” nor am I “pretty damn dumb” at it.

If I am “naive” and “pretty damn dumb” at it, then so are many very wealthy people like Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Bill Gross, and even Donald Trump who, last week, said he wouldn’t mind paying more in taxes in order to help pay down the debt.  And, I suppose those other people I mentioned, those who worked for Reagan and Bush, also are “naive” and “pretty damn dumb” because when it comes to taxes and the economy, I tend to believe much of what these “naive” and “pretty damn dumb” people also believe.  Even Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative members in the Senate, has made comments that he believes taxes will and have to be raised to help pay down the debt. 

Once again, I just love your all CAPS in your posts!

All these people are firmly in the “job creator” salary range.
How many house staff do they have? At least a few more yacht captians are employed.

Great Point Gorgegirl.  Because all the vets, current military, hunters, gun-owners, and general manly types sit squarely in the liberal Democrat camp.  Whereas all the metrosexuals, whiners, apathetic lay-abouts, and pencil-necked “academics” are the bulk of the Conservative movement. 
 
I agree….this won’t go well for conservatives if it ever comes to violence.

One fact of life is true; I have never been employed by a poor person. I have been employed by a woman, man, and person of color, but never a poor person. So if I want to suport a rich person or a wealthy conservative who has employed people of all races, genders, and religions, what’s it to you? Why am I the bad guy for wanting to stay employed?