He’s right.

From the joint MSNBC Policy Manual/Rules for Radicals….
RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

The MSNBC host try going after FOX night after night…but it just never works.

What would a week of MSNBC programming sound like if they did not mention FOX????

Your thoughts please!

“O’Reilly has dismissed Kurtz as a “partisan hack,” but in this instance it appears that his work is to be trusted.”

Even a “partisan hack,” can recognize when things have been taken too far to the left. Olbermann is an exception to this rule.

“It’s worth noting that on many previous occasions, O’Reilly has dismissed Kurtz as a “partisan hack,” but in this instance it appears that his work is to be trusted. ”

Because he is a hypocritical piece of crap like most conservatives.

Well, if ANYONE knows slime, it’s the Falafel Kid.

5,6,8,12, apply to Fox as well if not more.

MSNBC goes after Fox because Fox finds what they think is a *story* and beats it like a dead horse. Personally I can’t stand either station and only watch a bit of each. Admittedly more of MSNBC as I do lean more to the left, being a moderate. And I’m sorry but Fox is out to scare the bejesus out of folks that the neighborhood is going to hell with the new neighbors that have moved in. Fox is so far to the right they are about to tip over into the Atlantic. All you people thinking they are a real news show are gonna go with them. Its opinion based as is MSNBC. Both to some degree dumb down people when those people use them to be their brain. There is such a need for a fair minded middle of the road network where both sides can be presented and allow people to think for themselves and come up and make their own conclusions.

Both sides need to get off the overtone of race. It’s getting old and boring. Racial prejudice exists and will always exist in some form or another. Things have gotten better but there is always and will always be room for improvement.

There is always a high level discussion at MSNBC to mull over the strategy for the evening ‘ s programs . At the table each night are : Maddow , Olby , Olby ‘s cat and the voices in Olby’s head .

Oh , and Traitor Joe Klein .

BillO is right, this was a good segment. MSNBC is ridiculous. Blaming FOX for her firing is so laughable. Regardless of the fact that O’Reilly filmed his show before she was fired, the WH reacted before his show even aired. FOX had nothing to do with it.

As for Shirley, she hasn’t stopped seeing things through her black and white lenses. She is lightening quick to draw the race card, and attributes all criticisms from the other side as racist.

“Here’s a new snippet of the Shirley Sherrod you believe is owed an apology discussing Andrew Breitbart. The full video of her with Anderson Cooper is here. Who really deserves the apology here, given Sherrod’s views?”

I think he would like to get us stuck back in the times of slavery. That’s where I think he would like to see all black people end up again.

And I think that’s why he’s so vicious against a black president, you know. He would go after me. I don’t think it was even the NAACP he was totally after. I think he was after a black president.

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2010/07/are-conservative-sherrod-apologists-the-real-racists.html

You know, I haven’t seen such a mean-spirited people as I’ve seen lately over this issue of health care. Some of the racism we thought was buried. Didn’t it surface? Now, we endured eight years of the Bush’s and we didn’t do the stuff these Republicans are doing because you have a black President.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/07/23/behar-bush-admin-did-not-give-damn-about-poor-people-and-everybody-kn

Sherrod ripped Fox in an interview Wednesday with Media Matters, saying the network would “love to take us back to where we were many years ago. Back to where black people were looking down, not looking white folks in the face, not being able to compete for a job out there and not be a whole person.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/21/AR2010072106708.html

sarainitaly said:
BillO is right, this was a good segment. MSNBC is ridiculous. Blaming FOX for her firing is so laughable. Regardless of the fact that O’Reilly filmed his show before she was fired, the WH reacted before his show even aired. FOX had nothing to do with it.

Of course, you perpetuate a lie in the same manner that FOX did with the Breitbart tape. The point was never, never, never that FOX had Ms. Sherrod fired. The point was that FOX perpetuate the Breitbart lie to slander Ms. Sherrod. Please try to get this straight.

You also perpetuate the lie that FOX did not call for the firing until after it happened. The O’Reilly segment was taped prior to the firing. Again, please get your facts straight.

FOX NEWS: BOOBS, LIES AND (EDITED) VIDEO TAPES!

Hugo Daun said:
Well, if ANYONE knows slime, it’s the Falafel Kid.

In fact, if O’Reilly believes MSNBC manufactured slime, he should sue for copyright and trademark enfringement.

FOX NEWS: BOOBS, LIES AND (EDITED) VIDEO TAPES!

The rightists still aren’t dealing with any of this at all well, are they?

FOX NEWS: BOOBS, LIES AND (EDITED) VIDEO TAPES!

Of course the myopic cons don’t get it…let me fill y’all in on a little something something.
See MSNBC decided to do what Breitbart failed to do-Old crazy face andrew wanted to attack the NAACP
because of their tea party resolution. How is that working out based on O’Reilly’s self centered and self serving coverage?

One week later-the fact that Fox even feels the need to navel gave and address their coverage is a win
for MSNBC-Mean while Obama is signing laws while the entire media establishment obsesses over
a known propgandists edited tape.

Funny how Glenn Beck didn’t fall for it.

Breitbart=0

Media Matters=1

NBC News is getting crushed by FNC. And that means they lose millions every quarter in revenue. That’s why Capus and his character assassins do what they do. if you can’t beat them, slime them.

So true. I think it’s hilarious when Bill continuously points out how CNN and PMSNBC are getting their collective butts kicked by FOX.

Royal Race-Baiter, Breitbart didn’t lie. Have you even read and listened to the vid on his original piece? Well I did the first day it came out and again yesterday and heard the part where she had her turnabout on being a big fat racist. I know you were hoping this would be the demise of Breitbart and Fox, but it’s not.

ps, consider me checked, Colby. Hey, are you getting closer to making good on your threat to ban me?

MichelleF said:
NBC News is getting crushed by FNC.

Boy is that one bald faced lie, Michelle in Utah. NBC News had 10 times, let me repeat that, 10 times, 10 times, the viewership of FNC’s best rated show, the Falafel Hour, on Wednesday night alone!

You need a repeat tutorial with your demi-god Breitbart to improving your lying skills. Otherwise, Tucker is going to fire you.

Checkmate!

FOX NEWS: BOOBS, LIES AND (EDITED) VIDEO TAPES!

Man Royal Race-Baiter, the last few days has really taken a toll on you. I’m getting worried now.

MichelleF said:
Man Royal Race-Baiter, the last few days has really taken a toll on you. I’m getting worried now.

In other words, you are angry because I exposed your own lies, twice now, the Ayers connection to Ms. Sherrod and the FNC trouncing of NBC News. Dear, both were ridiculous lies. If I hadn’t exposed them, you might have been more comfortable, but would you respect me in the morning. I think not. Just tell the truth, and this unpleasantness can be avoided.

FOX NEWS: BOOBS, LIES AND (EDITED) VIDEO TAPES!

Here’s the thing….

If you want intelligence go to MSNBC-
Keith Olbermann – Graduate of Cornell University at age 20 with a bachelors in communication.
Rachel Maddow – Graduate of Stanford with a degree in public policy, doctorate of philosophy in politics from Oxford University. Oh, and she’s a Rhodes Scholar.

If you want ignorance go to FOX-
Glenn Beck – Attended and graduated high school, former substance abuser.
Sean Hannity – Dropped out of 2 universities, was a general contractor and bartender.
Bill O’Reilly – Well, at least he graduated college (history major).

Don’t try and compare these people on a basis of intelligence, because there is no comparison. Go to WIKI and read the bios, then have an informed opinion.

MichelleF said:
NBC News is getting crushed by FNC. And that means they lose millions every quarter in revenue. That’s why Capus and his character assassins do what they do. if you can’t beat them, slime them.

So true. I think it’s hilarious when Bill continuously points out how CNN and PMSNBC are getting their collective butts kicked by FOX.

Royal Race-Baiter, Breitbart didn’t lie. Have you even read and listened to the vid on his original piece? Well I did the first day it came out and again yesterday and heard the part where she had her turnabout on being a big fat racist. I know you were hoping this would be the demise of Breitbart and Fox, but it’s not.

ps, consider me checked, Colby. Hey, are you getting closer to making good on your threat to ban me?

First off, because something is popular, doesn’t mean it’s right. We can agree on that, right? After all, during WWII, Hitler’s approval ratings were pretty high in Germany until the war turned. That means the majority of a country supported something that we can now all agree was evil and destructive. So, tons of support does not equal right. There are also more things to discuss in an analysis of Fox’s ratings, (Who watches Fox vs. who watches MSNBC and how they tend to get their news), but we’ll leave that for another time.

Breitbart did lie. I’m sorry but it happened. Okay, maybe not lied, but did distort the truth for his own narrative. But that’s what the commentators on both sides of the aisle tend to do. It’s not really new or surprising. And the NAACP and the White House certainly seems to be coming out better. Breitbart forgot to do something that would’ve helped his image. An apology. Breitbart only really said that the issue wasn’t about Sherrod’s being a racist but about the NAACP, yet the video he had posted was corrected. And he came out it was “about the crowd” after the Sherrod thing came out. He used doctored video. He’s done it before. And if he’s smart, he may wait a bit before the next time showing a video. His credibility has been hurt by this. FOX’s hasn’t.

And it probably never will. You keep saying, “MSNBC keeps going after FOX and they keep getting crushed.” That’s not 100% true. They aren’t attacking FOX because they want to crush FOX. They attack FOX because that’s what its viewers want. I’m sure the FOX fans aren’t watching MSNBC and then going, Hmmm, maybe they are right. I’m sure they don’t turn over to MSNBC, just as I’m sure MSNBC viewers aren’t turning to FOX. So, the if you can’t beat them, slime them doesn’t hold much water.

And the attacks on Sherrod are kind of cruel. Her father was killed by a member of the KKK (and trust me, I have a strong feeling that was race related), but still talked out against racial intolerance. If you would expect someone to be a die hard “screw whitey” racist, it would be her. And yet, she feels she’s being attacked because of race (something she has personal knowledge of, something that I and perhaps you do not) she speaks out. And now, she’s a racist? Again, it’s not logical. And it’s borderline cruel. And I’m writing this paragraph not as a liberal or a progressive, but as a human being.

Permastupid, I dedicated this to Royal Race-Baiter, but it applies to

Bob Hope, Great Movie Line you too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqGepqFMuaU&feature=related

Was it Robert Byrd? Of course I feel bad for her, but the left is trying to turn her into an American Hero and she’s not. She does harbor racist feelings. If you can’t admit that, well I’m sorry. If you use phrases like, “your own kind”, to me you are harboring some racial animosity. If I, as a white person, told someone to stay with their own kind, you KNOW I would be called a racist. I know this because I’m called a racist on a daily basis here and haven’t EVER said something even remotely racist. You need to be consistent with your outrage.

O’Reilly always resorts to ad hominem attacks. Always. It’s so old.
Stick to the relevant point at hand, O’Reilly and ditch the ad hominem.
It will strengthen you argument if you do.

Maddow and Olbermann spend a good portion of their programs, discussing Fox News. If not for Fox News, what would they have to fill that one hour slot? LOL. How is carrying out a bitter on-air rivalry, with another media outlet, labeled as news? The media isn’t supposed to make itself, the news of the day. Stick to stories that matter.

By having Rev. Wright and Louis Farrakhan as guest speakers, the NAACP has proven it’s a racist organization. O’Reilly has apologized for not listening to the entire tape of Sherrod, but given the type of people the NAACP invites as guest speakers, it’s understandable that O’Reilly saw this as merely another example of NAACP racism.

Fight Back!
The Obama Bumper Sticker Removal Kit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=201pgTaEseQ&feature=related

MSNBC is a joke. That’s why Rangel was surprised Luke Russert dared to ask him questions about his indictments. He didn’t expect the joke of a network to seriously question a liberal about wrongdoing. All the silly partisan hawks on this site that talk about how Fox News is biased need to take their heads out of the sand and look at the bias and untruths that come out of MSNBC.

Any fair-minded person would realize Fox News did not push the Sherrod video and furthermore, was not responsible for getting her fired. However, liberals are so obsessed with Fox they just had to find a Fox angle. Why is it that on Mediaite, only Steve Krakauer has called them out on this bullcrap?

And Glynnis the Beck devotee, how come you never pointed out how Beck supported Sherrod even before the full video came out? I guess you cherry pick the Beck shows that paint him in the light most favorable to your perception of him.

I am so frustrated with American media right now.

Hawk11 said:
Here’s the thing…. If you want intelligence go to MSNBC-Keith Olbermann – Graduate of Cornell University at age 20 with a bachelors in communication.Rachel Maddow – Graduate of Stanford with a degree in public policy, doctorate of philosophy in politics from Oxford University. Oh, and she’s a Rhodes Scholar. If you want ignorance go to FOX-Glenn Beck – Attended and graduated high school, former substance abuser.Sean Hannity – Dropped out of 2 universities, was a general contractor and bartender.Bill O’Reilly – Well, at least he graduated college (history major). Don’t try and compare these people on a basis of intelligence, because there is no comparison. Go to WIKI and read the bios, then have an informed opinion.

Barack Hussein Obama – B.S. from Columbia University, Graduate from Harvard Law School, worse President of the United States.

A degree does not guarantee street smarts, Maddcow and Dopeymann does not have it.

Any questions?

Hey VegasRudy,

Maddcow and Dopeymann does not have it? Well, I know your intelligence.

My comment had to do with the backround in the field in which they all came from. Intelligence in the field in which they came from and the ability to have an informed opinion in the field in which they report from.

And as far as the President being what you call “worse President of the United States”, another gaff on your part, he has done more for 95% of Americans in the last 18 months than Bush Jr. in 8 years.

FOX is about hate and fear. I would love to know what their criteria is for a job as a broadcaster there. They obviously don’t set their standards very high. Just do what Roger Ailes tells you.

See what happends when you watch too much msnbc, referring to H11′s case, worst post of the day.

sarainitaly:

Your hero, Bill O’Reilly:

“Bill O’Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you’re a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you’ve got to cap with a number.”

http://crooksandliars.com/2007/05/31/bill-oreilly-the-white-christian-male-power-structure-is-in-jeopardy

Do you support the “White Christian Male Power Structure” as Bill O’Reilly does?

If you DO, then on what grounds are you trying to indict Shirley Sherrod, who like my relatives, grew up the JIM CROW south, and despite watching her father’s MURDER at the hands of a White man go UNPUNISHED (white grand jury refused to indict, despite witnesses), evolved to a point on race where she vigorously helps EVERYBODY regardless of race, including the White farmer family at the crux of the edited video clip?

sarainitaly, am I as a Black Man, supposed to remain SILENT while people like Bill O’Reilly basically tout White supremacy (White Men holding power over everybody else)?

–Cobra

Cobra, you obviously have a chip on your shoulder against the entire white race. So why do you find it so hard to believe that other blacks do as well?

RTB,

Elaborate? What part was the worst post?

All of it Hawk.

(I wrote this comment re: Alvin Greene, but it also seems to fit here)

“If you want intelligence go to MSNBC-” Hawk11
“Who cares! He is running for Congress!” JimBob

Agree. I have a lot of sympathy for Alvin Greene. People who dismiss him because they think he is too stupid are the same elitists who dismiss tea party members.

America is a democracy. Anyone can participate. Having a high IQ is not a requirement. In fact, I’ll take someone with common sense anyday over an intellectual.

But if you insist on a standard, why not start with a basic one like loving and cherishing America?

Ok Michelle,
Exactly what is your problem with it? Is it that is displays the difference in the validity of what you’re watching?

The Real Royal King says:
July 23, 2010 at 9:13 am

You also perpetuate the lie that FOX did not call for the firing until after it happened. The O’Reilly segment was taped prior to the firing. Again, please get your facts straight.

So what? It was TAPED before… but AIRED afterwards, and that’s what matters. Duh.

You’re really grasping at straws on this one.

Hawk11 says:
July 23, 2010 at 12:03 pm

If you’re going to play the “college education = intelligence” game, you’re going to have to widen the net. You realize how many famous and successful entertainers, scientists, broadcasters, etc. never went the “traditional” route to all that schooling?

It’s a foolish argument, start to finish. Please try again.

Blue,

I don’t have to try again… You explained my point right there. FOX news is loaded with prime time entertainers. Glenn Beck himself coined himself an entertainer. I wasn’t calling in the card on college and intelligence. I was talking about the backround in the field in which these people report from.

Do you want a bartender to fix your car?
Do you want a drug dealer to cut your hair?
Do you want the CEO of Starbucks to fix your furnace?

Obviously the answer to these is no. So in that light, do you want to get your news from a bartender/contractor and substance abuser who claims to be an entertainer?

So there’s your foolish argument. If you think that this is a foolish way to look at it then you should really evaluate your priorities of news and politics.

Cobra said:
our hero, Bill O’Reilly:

“Bill O’Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you’re a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you’ve got to cap with a number.”

Sorry Cobra, that was indeed an edited portion of the discussion.

Post the entire thing, or STFU, you racist.

Hawk11 said:
Blue, I don’t have to try again… You explained my point right there. FOX news is loaded with prime time entertainers. Glenn Beck himself coined himself an entertainer. I wasn’t calling in the card on college and intelligence. I was talking about the backround in the field in which these people report from. Do you want a bartender to fix your car?Do you want a drug dealer to cut your hair?Do you want the CEO of Starbucks to fix your furnace? Obviously the answer to these is no. So in that light, do you want to get your news from a bartender/contractor and substance abuser who claims to be an entertainer? So there’s your foolish argument. If you think that this is a foolish way to look at it then you should really evaluate your priorities of news and politics.

Roughly 1/3 of the entire population has a college degree…which in reality translates to: 2/3 of the entire population has enough sense to come in out of the rain, the other 1/3 doesn’t.

Hawk11 says:
July 23, 2010 at 12:28 pm

I don’t have to try again… You explained my point right there. FOX news is loaded with prime time entertainers.

Any of the opinion hosts, and most of the “journalists” from ALL the networks, even local news, are “entertainers” first. It’s the nature of television.

Glenn Beck himself coined himself an entertainer. I wasn’t calling in the card on college and intelligence. I was talking about the backround in the field in which these people report from.

Well, they all have many years within this particular field. O’Reilly has been doing journalism and news since his undergrad days… and Beck and Hannity have been in the media business for years and years. But really, what does it matter?

Do you want a bartender to fix your car?
Do you want a drug dealer to cut your hair?
Do you want the CEO of Starbucks to fix your furnace?

It depends… do they know how to do it? Or do you believe that people only know how to do one thing?

Obviously the answer to these is no. So in that light, do you want to get your news from a bartender/contractor and substance abuser who claims to be an entertainer?

They’re all entertainers… and this is how it’s been since mass journalisms inception. If you read the history books, you’ll realize that every media outlet -from newspapers to television- had to have an element of excitement and entertainment, or else they’d never be able to sell their product.

Are you really going to tell me that KO isn’t an “entertainer?” Have you missed all the dramatic camera turns while he rails against the “evil people” who disagree with him? You can’t be so naïve.

So there’s your foolish argument. If you think that this is a foolish way to look at it then you should really evaluate your priorities of news and politics.

So you believe that KO is more adept to report the news, because he graduated from Cornell’s Agriculture school (politics? no.)… and has been reporting sports for most his life? Yeah… you’re going to have to work on that theory.

Shep Smith does the news on Fox. O’Reilly, Hannity, and Beck are doing opinion shows, in the same way that Olbermann, Maddow, and Schultz are doing opinion shows on MSNBC.

Cobra said:
Cobra says:
July 23, 2010 at 11:49 am  (Quote)
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sarainitaly:

Apparently you learned nothing from the Shirley Sherrod debacle about taking things out of context…

Do a little more research than just posting an edited clip you found on a partisan web site, and you might just discover that BillO’s point was that people who support immigration call those who oppose it racist, but yet, those on the far left who hate white Christian conservative males, is racism, as well.

O’REILLY: That’s bull. At the turn of the 20th century when the wave of immigration from Europe came over the country was in a totally different thing. If you bring in 40 — look, you bring in 40 million foreign nationals to this country, you change everything about this country. And admit it, everything changes. And then there’s where you have the reverse racism.
SCHWARTZ: Our rights change, our freedoms change?

O’REILLY: No. We have a one party system. The Republican Party disappears, because three to one the 40 million will break Democrat. So you destroy that. And then you go from there.

But that’s where the reverse racism is. The New York Times of the world hate the white Christian male power structure and want to change it by a massive amount of foreign nationals being able to vote, Laura. That’s racism, too.

And, when did i EVER say BillO was my hero?
And no, I don’t support a “white male christian power structure”. Now, a female power structure….I can get behind that. ;O)

Hawk11 said:
Here’s the thing…. If you want intelligence go to MSNBC-Keith Olbermann – Graduate of Cornell University at age 20 with a bachelors in communication.Rachel Maddow – Graduate of Stanford with a degree in public policy, doctorate of philosophy in politics from Oxford University. Oh, and she’s a Rhodes Scholar. If you want ignorance go to FOX-Glenn Beck – Attended and graduated high school, former substance abuser.Sean Hannity – Dropped out of 2 universities, was a general contractor and bartender.Bill O’Reilly – Well, at least he graduated college (history major). Don’t try and compare these people on a basis of intelligence, because there is no comparison. Go to WIKI and read the bios, then have an informed opinion.

It sure doesn’t speak well of Cornel, Oxford and the Rhodes Scholars runing around … now does it!

Take the President for instance…he is pretty smart…but acts so “STUPIDLY” most of the time….

Sign me
Not Impressed!

sarainitaly says:
July 23, 2010 at 12:58 pm

But Sarah… don’t you realize, a partisan site editing a video to make O’Reilly look like he said something he didn’t, is okay! Sure it’s WILDLY hypocritical, especially since they’re arguing that a conservative site did virtually the same thing… but it’s different when they do it!

Cobra said:
“Bill O’Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you’re a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you’ve got to cap with a number.”

And then they claim that Fox is NOT trying to scare white people. Big black bogeyman. Geez, can’t get much blatant than that or RACIST.

Cobra said:
sarainitaly: Your hero, Bill O’Reilly: “Bill O’Reilly: But do you understand what the New York Times wants, and the far-left want? They want to break down the white, Christian, male power structure, which you’re a part, and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have. In that regard, Pat Buchanan is right. So I say you’ve got to cap with a number.” http://crooksandliars.com/2007/05/31/bill-oreilly-the-white-christian-male-power-structure-is-in-jeopardy Do you support the “White Christian Male Power Structure” as Bill O’Reilly does? If you DO, then on what grounds are you trying to indict Shirley Sherrod, who like my relatives, grew up the JIM CROW south, and despite watching her father’s MURDER at the hands of a White man go UNPUNISHED (white grand jury refused to indict, despite witnesses), evolved to a point on race where she vigorously helps EVERYBODY regardless of race, including the White farmer family at the crux of the edited video clip? sarainitaly, am I as a Black Man, supposed to remain SILENT while people like Bill O’Reilly basically tout White supremacy (White Men holding power over everybody else)? –Cobra

Sara N. Italy just can’t tolerate another woman getting any attention. Degrading and slandering a good and decent, hardworking woman, supporting her family and herself while helping other good and decent, hard working Americans is perfectly acceptable as long as it puts the attention back on Sara N. Italy. Sad, really.

FOX NEWS: BOOBS, LIARS AND (ALTERED) VIDEO TAPES!

Hawk11 said:
Hey VegasRudy, Maddcow and Dopeymann does not have it? Well, I know your intelligence. My comment had to do with the backround in the field in which they all came from. Intelligence in the field in which they came from and the ability to have an informed opinion in the field in which they report from. And as far as the President being what you call “worse President of the United States”, another gaff on your part, he has done more for 95% of Americans in the last 18 months than Bush Jr. in 8 years. FOX is about hate and fear. I would love to know what their criteria is for a job as a broadcaster there. They obviously don’t set their standards very high. Just do what Roger Ailes tells you.

I am always amused at people who brag about educational resumes as a measure of intelligence. Background don’t mean squat. Experience does. It shows in Obama and hiscabinet. They do not have any real world experience. Obama and his crew cannot run this country out of a textbook. In his two years Obama has added $3.8 trillion to the debt compared to GW Bush adding $4.3 trillion to the debt in EIGHT years.

You may find it unbelievable, but broadcasting is business. Fox News’ did not achieve its ratings successes by promoting hate and fear. They do generate hate and fear amongst their competitors. The losers at MSNBC spend too much time whining about those they fear with their constant “gotcha” moments. Fox News’ Sean Hannity may be the most irritating partisan commentator Fox has, but he still manages to wax his competition. Poor Chris Matthews at MSNBC does not have a chance going against Glenn Beck. Matthews is funny because he’s like a puppy on uppers yapping about Rush Limbaugh. Keith Dopeymann with his Ted Baxter impression is just a dope. Rachel Maddcow is like a Mrs. Kravitz with late breaking gossip. Ed Schultz is just bitter old radio jock. MSNBC’s standards are non-existent.

sarainitaly said:
Apparently you learned nothing from the Shirley Sherrod debacle about taking things out of context…

Do a little more research than just posting an edited clip you found on a partisan web site, and you might just discover that BillO’s point was that people who support immigration call those who oppose it racist, but yet, those on the far left who hate white Christian conservative males, is racism, as well.

And, when did i EVER say BillO was my hero?
And no, I don’t support a “white male christian power structure”. Now, a female power structure….I can get behind that. ;O)

As you can see from even the quotes YOU POSTED, Bill O’Reilly SUPPORTS a “white male christian power structure.” Since you go out of your way to INDICT Shirley Sherrod of “seeing things through her black and white lenses”, while AGREEING with Bill O’Reilly….the same guy who you QUOTE as supporting a “white male christian power structure” that you claim to not support.

How does Bill O’Reilly get a PASS from you on race, but Shirley Sherrod gets your disdain?

I didn’t even bring up the “Michelle Obama Lynching party” comments or the “Sylvia’s resturant MF Ice Tea” stuff, yet….unless you really want me to. ;-)

notsofast said:
Sorry Cobra, that was indeed an edited portion of the discussion.

Post the entire thing, or STFU, you racist.

LOL…cyberklanners talk real tough behind the safety and anonymity of the internet, don’t they?

–Cobra

maxine says:
July 23, 2010 at 1:39 pm

And then they claim that Fox is NOT trying to scare white people. Big black bogeyman. Geez, can’t get much blatant than that or RACIST.

No, you could get more blatant and racist. But the quote would have to be ACCURATE and in context for that to happen.

The Real Royal King says:
July 23, 2010 at 1:39 pm

When you can’t defend the comment, or you’ve been proven wrong… attack the messenger.

Man, your vacation did strange things to you TRRK. You’re really transparent these days. Very angry, and very obvious. What happened?

Cobra says:
July 23, 2010 at 1:43 pm

Let’s ignore your out of context quotes, your misleading interpretations, and your predicatable “outrage” at people who disagree with you… and focus on one thing you said:

How does Bill O’Reilly get a PASS from you on race, but Shirley Sherrod gets your disdain?

Let’s reverse this. “Why does Shirley Sherrod get a PASS from you on race, but Bill O’Reilly gets your distain?”

You equated the two comments, which means you think they’re on par… but you’ve given a pass to one, and “indicted” on the other. So while you take a break from calling everyone who disagrees with you a “racist” (see: Ackerman’s Law), tell us why you’re allowed to be a hypocrite.

LOL…cyberklanners talk real tough behind the safety and anonymity of the internet, don’t they?

Yes… you do.

-INB
(Still with the signing… I just don’t get it.)

Cobra said:
As you can see from even the quotes YOU POSTED, Bill O’Reilly SUPPORTS a “white male christian power structure.”

I didn’t even bring up the “Michelle Obama Lynching party” comments or the “Sylvia’s resturant MF Ice Tea” stuff, yet….unless you really want me to. ;-)

*eyeroll* Ok, I can see it is completely useless to try to have a discussion with you. Get back to me when you have read the context, and not just the edited soundbites as presented by MM, or Crooks and Liars.

‘If You Can’t Beat Them, Slime Them’

ImNotBlue said:
ImNotBlue says:
July 23, 2010 at 1:50 pm

He’s obsessed with me. It is very stalkerish. And gross.

On this one O’Reilly is correct all the way. Maddow and Olbermann have little arudience in which to preach their hate speak, so they wait for someone like MEDIATE to give them publicity.

Hawk11 said:
Here’s the thing….

If you want intelligence go to MSNBC-
Keith Olbermann – Graduate of Cornell University at age 20 with a bachelors in communication.
Rachel Maddow – Graduate of Stanford with a degree in public policy, doctorate of philosophy in politics from Oxford University. Oh, and she’s a Rhodes Scholar.

If you want ignorance go to FOX-
Glenn Beck – Attended and graduated high school, former substance abuser.
Sean Hannity – Dropped out of 2 universities, was a general contractor and bartender.
Bill O’Reilly – Well, at least he graduated college (history major).

Don’t try and compare these people on a basis of intelligence, because there is no comparison. Go to WIKI and read the bios, then have an informed opinion.

Oh yes, graduating from Cornell in a hard major like communications just to become a sports broadcaster really shows off intelligence. And nice job mentioning how O’Reilly graduated as a history major, (as if history is easier compared Olbermann’s communications degree), and not include his master’s from Harvard. You’re no different from when Olbermann actually showed his degree on the air, and actually failed while doing so.

Cobra, why do people like Rev. Wright and Farrakhan get a pass from you? When the NAACP invites these racists as guest speakers, why does the NAACP get a pass from you?

The Real Royal King said:
Sara N. Italy just can’t tolerate another woman getting any attention.

Total projection.

Cobra said:
LOL…cyberklanners talk real tough behind the safety and anonymity of the internet, don’t they?

You are talking to yourself again, son.

MichelleF said:
Permastupid, I dedicated this to Royal Race-Baiter, but it applies to

Bob Hope, Great Movie Line you too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqGepqFMuaU&feature=related

Was it Robert Byrd? Of course I feel bad for her, but the left is trying to turn her into an American Hero and she’s not. She does harbor racist feelings. If you can’t admit that, well I’m sorry. If you use phrases like, “your own kind”, to me you are harboring some racial animosity. If I, as a white person, told someone to stay with their own kind, you KNOW I would be called a racist. I know this because I’m called a racist on a daily basis here and haven’t EVER said something even remotely racist. You need to be consistent with your outrage.

First off, don’t call me stupid. I’m not insulting you. I don’t consider you stupid, we have different opinions. Remember opinions are NOT facts. Nor do they tend to be an assessment of intellectual proclivity. I did graduate college with a solid 3.5. My IQ does test at 146, which is 6 points above genius level. I’m not bragging, just trying to show facts that do not support calling me stupid. I feel that the way I’ve written most of my comments should show that I’m not an idiot. And to insult me in such a way makes your argument null and void. I do pride myself on my intellect as well as my ability to debate subjects without having to resort to name calling or even character assassination. I don’t know you on a personal level, so you won’t hear “stupid bitch” or “dirty white trash” or any other baseless argument insult. Of course, I’m also an aspiring stand up comic and have to deal with the occasional heckler so I can hold my own in an insult battle (Also, yes, I am a stand up so please, no, well you aren’t funny, or why aren’t you funny or I’ve never heard of you. I’ve heard them all before. They are hack. You are supplying nothing new or anywhere near devastating to me.)

Well, now I’ve wasted my time on the following up the stupid comment, let me do a quick assessment of what you wrote. Yes, I’ve been called a racist too without even saying anything remotely racist. Now, we are in a comment thread that is about race, so we are going to discuss race. It’s pretty simple. No one is race baiting in a comment thread about race since we’re already discussing it. Unless you (or me or others) come out and say white people suck or black people can’t bowl (they can) or something along those lines, then we are not being racist but having frank discussions about a touchy, rage-inciting issue. Is Sherrod a racist? I don’t really think so. (Is Al Sharpton? Yes). Sure, she is commenting on FOX wanting to resort back to slavery or heated racism during the health care debate. This is less a “white people suck” comment, she admits she had those thoughts, but observations from someone who has extolled racial harmony to benefit a greater good (the need to help the poor and down trodden). Is she a hero? I don’t think so. But it’s too early to tell. Is she empathetic and possibly a sweet genuine person. Good chance of that. But we’ll see how it plays out.

sarainitaly said:
*eyeroll* Ok, I can see it is completely useless to try to have a discussion with you. Get back to me when you have read the context, and not just the edited soundbites as presented by MM, or Crooks and Liars.

Useless. Cobra is a well known racist who advocates Presentism when looking at America, but not when looking at anything else.

He is unsuccessful, and it gives him great solace to blame his failings on anyone or anything else except himself.

His favorite target is anyone who is not black.

sarainitaly said:
*eyeroll* Ok, I can see it is completely useless to try to have a discussion with you. Get back to me when you have read the context, and not just the edited soundbites as presented by MM, or Crooks and Liars.

‘If You Can’t Beat Them, Slime Them’

You posted the quote, didn’t you sara? If you prefer, I can paste the video links to You Tube…but you’re still not going to answer the greater question are you?

–Cobra

Permatiltx said:
My IQ does test at 146, which is 6 points above genius level.

My IQ tested at 182 which allows me to say are are a really pathetic ahole lib.

Hugo Daun said:
Well, if ANYONE knows slime, it’s the Falafel Kid.

I don’t know who Falafel Kid is but I think your picture is hilarious!

So Bill O’Reilly has never slimed anybody’s character? Hmm…

notsofast said:
Total projection.

i <3 u

notsofast said:
My IQ tested at 182 which allows me to say are are a really pathetic ahole lib.

Okay, well, your 182 doesn’t help you with a decent insult. I’ll help. Um, first off, ahole doesn’t really work. After all, ahole is a pretty basic insult used by a lot of people over the years. It’s hack, kind of banal (and bitchy, ha, that’s from another thread) Also, lib is very myopic. Now, it seems that your 182 IQ means you only think in black and white, thus if someone’s opinion differs from yours, makes them a liberal automatically. Well, I have mentioned that I do tend to side more with the libs, but I also don’t speak in labels, sort of prefer to be my own person with my own belief system. Arrogant. Yes, arrogant works there. Also, maybe uber-hipster. So, perhaps, “take your ironic T-shirt and fifty year old shoes, and go smoke pot behind a dumpster, oh and while you’re back there, why don’t you take your arrogance down a level and talk like a real person, you elitist polesmoker.” Not too great, but definitely a notch or two higher than yours. I’ve been called worse by better people. Oh, and pathetic. Here’s a link to help you out, http://www.thesaurus.com. And I did that with a 146 level IQ.

Your rating was above asshole!

Congrats, you phony pathetic cretin lib.

it is quite obvious that during your youth that you never experimented with mind expanding drugs.

In fact, you inspired the slogan, “A mind is a terrible thing to waste.”

A person with your IQ should have a low voice too!

You must remember that ALL libs have to lie to protect Obama.

Here is another democrat that is part of the culture of carruption.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxY1hyBWp94

notsofast said:
Your rating was above asshole!

Congrats, you phony pathetic cretin lib.

it is quite obvious that during your youth that you never experimented with mind expanding drugs.

In fact, you inspired the slogan, “A mind is a terrible thing to waste.”

A person with your IQ should have a low voice too!

Oh, this is fun. Okay. Um, well, you still used pathetic besides the fact I gave you a thesaurus link. Cretin works. I will take that. And phony, I can see that working as a possibility. How about “you pompous insincere nose digger.” Oooh, not bad. I like that one. You know what. You can’t have it, I’ll take it as my own. But I’ll still help you.

My rating is above asshole? What does that mean? What rating are you talking about? IQ level? Or are we talking about a scale that uses asshole as a gradient of some sort. If so, what are the other levels on this rating system? Again, I’m trying to figure out what rating you’re talking about here. My 146 IQ may just not understand your 182 !Q brain, as you may have a different definition for the word rating than me.

I inspired the slogan, “A mind is a terrible thing to waste.” A slogan that is about the United Negro College Fund. Good use of referencing it in a comment thread about race. Now, I don’t know how I inspired the United Negro College Fund being as a white guy I wouldn’t need to use it, not to mention that my mind expanding youth came about after the UNCF was established, thus they must’ve been able to see into the future and know that I had a mind being terribly wasted. (Probably could’ve warned Obama not to have Sherrod fired. They dropped the ball on that one.)

And for the record, I did smoke pot in college and it was the only mind expanding drug I used. (Didn’t really experiment with it since I wasn’t trying anything new or experimental with it.) And yes, I would smoke in an apartment which contained a shirtless douchebag playing acoustic guitar to impress the stoned girls. For the record, I wasn’t that shirtless guy. What I lacked in abs I made up for with body hair and pale skin.

You called me a lib again, which means you really don’t have any other way to describe me. You see in black and white. I do tend to be more of a centerist, but that’s not a bad word. I would’ve sided with the Whigs during the 1770′s. So, let’s see, how about fraudulent useless imbecilic whig. Hmm, almost sounds poetic.

And so far, I’ve taken you down a few pegs, what with your massive 182 IQ without calling you a name yet. I’m having more fun challenging myself this way. Thanks.

(P.S. Sorry to any of the others on this comment board that has commended me for not stooping down to name calling, insult spewing, but I’m doing not to belittle myself but to challenge myself. I want to see how far I can go without actually calling notsofast any sort of name. I’m betting three more comments. Let’s see what happens.)

Check out how she was hired in the first place: The Pigford Farms case

http://www.visiontoamerica.org/story/sherrods-hiring-should-be-investigated.html?utm_source=Vision+to+America+Announcements&utm_campaign=47b56a68dc-Vision_to_America_Announcements_7_23_2010&utm_medium=email

O’Reilly is correct on this. Someone should get out a stopwatch and figure out how much time MSNBC prime time hosts spending in attacks on other TV hosts and pundits, and how much time they spend dealing with major issues such as the economy, terrorism, foreign policy, the deficit, etc. As far as I can tell, the whole ethos of MSNBC is built on personal attacks. Only a tiny portion of their coverage looks at issues, and even those segments are usually twisted into smears and character attacks.

By comparison, Fox is far more focused on real events happening in the world — probably by a factor of two or three if you could get a reliable measure.

Indeed, MSNBC is getting more and more like Media Matters, which never covers any news, and devotes 100% of their energy to attacking TV hosts and pundits.

Speaking of full-time slime, we have here phone-sex Bill. Ummm. Republiscumism at its finest.

Nachi said:
Speaking of full-time slime, we have here phone-sex Bill. Ummm. Republiscumism at its finest.

The only slime here, Nachi, is what is contained in your comment. But, hey, I guess those who can’t defend their views need to rely on insults. Don’t expect us to respond by unraveling Rachel Maddow’s sexual persona. Bill’s ratings success and the Maddow ratings disaster are solely driven by the quality of what they put on the air. Or, in Maddow’s case, the lack thereof.

felixw said:
The only slime here, Nachi, is what is contained in your comment. But, hey, I guess those who can’t defend their views need to rely on insults. Don’t expect us to respond by unraveling Rachel Maddow’s sexual persona. Bill’s ratings success and the Maddow ratings disaster are solely driven by the quality of what they put on the air. Or, in Maddow’s case, the lack thereof.

Actually that’s incorrect. Ratings don’t equal quality. (See: Arrested Development and Two and a Half Men for examples on that) Remember the movie that won the People’s Choice Awards last year. The year of Inglourious Basterds, Star Trek, Up, and The Hurt Locker, and the winner was The Twilight Saga: New Moon. The “Everyone Likes, Therefore It’s Good” is actually a logical fallacy. It can’t be applied here. Maddow is also not a ratings disaster. She doesn’t have Bill O’s numbers, but she does still do pretty solidly among the other news commentary shows. Her ratings are steady, and the myth that MSNBC is losing money isn’t actually 100% true. Also, Morning Joe regularly beats Fox and Friends. Therefore, Morning Joe is better than Fox and Friends?

felixw said:
The only slime here, Nachi, is what is contained in your comment. But, hey, I guess those who can’t defend their views need to rely on insults. Don’t expect us to respond by unraveling Rachel Maddow’s sexual persona. Bill’s ratings success and the Maddow ratings disaster are solely driven by the quality of what they put on the air. Or, in Maddow’s case, the lack thereof.

Top 25 cable shows for the week ending July 18, 2010:
Rank Program Network Day Time HH Rating Viewers (000)
1 DEADLIEST CATCH DISC TUESDAY 9:00 PM 5.0 8,546
2 CLOSER, THE TNT MONDAY 9:00 PM 5.0 7,660
3 RIZZOLI & ISLES TNT MONDAY 10:01 PM 4.9 7,553
4 AFTER THE CATCH(S) DISC TUESDAY 10:01 PM 4.0 6,849
5 HOME RUN DERBY L ESPN MONDAY 8:15 PM 4.0 6,418
6 SONNY WITH A CHANCE DSNY SUNDAY 8:30 PM 3.5 6,115
7 BURN NOTICE USA THURSDAY 9:00 PM 3.5 5,647
8 HANNAH MONTANA FOREVER DSNY SUNDAY 8:00 PM 3.1 5,399
9 ROYAL PAINS USA THURSDAY 10:00 PM 3.2 5,196
10 PAWN STARS HIST MONDAY 10:30 PM 3.3 5,170
11 WWE ENTERTAINMENT (WWE RAW) USA MONDAY 10:00 PM 3.0 5,061
12 COVERT AFFAIRS USA TUESDAY 10:00 PM 3.3 4,878
13 TRUE BLOOD HBOM SUNDAY 9:03 PM 2.7 4,860
14 PAWN STARS HIST MONDAY 10:00 PM 3.0 4,634
15 WWE ENTERTAINMENT (WWE RAW) USA MONDAY 9:00 PM 2.7 4,497
16 WHITE COLLAR USA TUESDAY 9:00 PM 2.8 4,290
17 HOME RUN DERBY PRELUDE L ESPN MONDAY 8:00 PM 2.7 4,177
18 FAMILY GUY ADSM WEDNESDAY 11:30 PM 2.7 4,071
19 CAMP ROCK DSNY SUNDAY 9:30 PM 2.4 3,944
20 LEVERAGE TNT SUNDAY 9:00 PM 2.5 3,932
21 NCIS USA WEDNESDAY 8:00 PM 2.5 3,833
22 FAMILY GUY ADSM MONDAY 11:30 PM 2.6 3,790
23 FAMILY GUY ADSM THURSDAY 11:30 PM 2.5 3,752
24 SPONGEBOB NICK SATURDAY 10:00 AM 2.4 3,739
25 NEXT FN STAR 6(S) FOOD SUNDAY 9:00 PM 2.2 3,700

http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/07/20/cable-top-25-deadliest-catch-the-closer-rizzoli-isles-home-run-derby-top-weeks-viewership/57704#more-57704

Felixw…hello? Where’s Fox News? Where’s Hannity? Where’s O’Reilly? Greta…

You mean to tell me that more people watched king crab fishing on the Discovery Channel than Bill O’Reilly?
More people watched reruns of “NCIS” and “Family Guy?” than Sean Hannity? More people watched dramas about Southern-fried vampires (True Blood), reality shows about pawn shops (Pawn Stars) and oiled-up, half-naked men on ‘roids hitting themselves over the heads with chairs (WWE Raw) than Greta Van Sustren and EVERYTHING ELSE the FOX NEWS CHANNEL has to offer?

The link is right there, people.
Talk to me about ratings and “Quality” programming again.
I DOUBLE-DOG DARE you.

–Cobra

Folks, I want to introduce you to the latest lying liberal shill for BHO, Permatiltx

The other day, I commented on the tired, worn out practice of libs always coming on Mediaite to repeat their lame excuses for FOX being #1 in cable news while MSNBC still staggers way behind like a sick puppy ( see cobra above.)

Permatiltx said:

I see a lot of the no one watches FOX news here being said by libs thing. I would like some links to it. Not saying it doesn’t happen, but this is the first time I’ve read that Libs are saying it.

notsofast said:

Ask the Royal King-
King, tell him how many watch FOX.

Permatiltx said:

So, one guy says it, means all libs say it? I’m confused

notsofast said:

Wrong!
Mediaite weekly shows cable ratings and on that post many libs chime in with “only 0.3%” of the population watches FOX. ” America’s Got Talent ” has more viewers than FOX”, etc.

Permatiltx said:

You told me one guy said it. That’s what you said, and I’m just quoting you from before.”

notsofast said:

See, ya lied, child.
Flat out lied!
I never said “one” said that. I said many.
So kindly STFU!”

See the lying Permatiltx was trying to argue that libs don’t in fact come here and repeat their worn out excuses, trying to disparage FOX.

And now look at Permatilx- his wretched ass is now arguing the same trash that I said libs do.

“Ratings don’t equal quality.”

He then regurgitates the worn-out lib talking points of comparing entertainment/movies to the ratings of a cable news network.

Sorry, child, that has been tried many times before. Try something original for a change. And you won’t compare comparables to comparables, such as FOX to CNN or MSNBC, unless he then follow ssuch a comparison with misrepresentations or an outright lie.

“Maddow is also not a ratings disaster. She doesn’t have Bill O’s numbers, but she does still do pretty solidly among the other news commentary shows.”

Categorized | Cable News Daily Ratings
Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, July 21, 2010

Posted on 22 July 2010 by Robert Seidman
O’Reilly rerun ratings at 11PM.

11 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor– 1,683,000 viewers (656,000) (970,000)

Maddow ratings Live at 9:00PM

9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Rachel Maddow Show —976,000 viewers (245,000) (492,000)

LMAO
And your big lie, child!

“Also, Morning Joe regularly beats Fox and Friends. Therefore, Morning Joe is better than Fox and Friends?”

Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, July 21, 2010

Morning programs (6:00AM-9:00AM) P2+ (25-54) (35-64)

FOX & Friends- 997,000 viewers (305,000) (549,000)

Morning Joe- 368,000 viewers (121,000) (170,000)

Mr. 146- you are nothing but the everyday run -of-the- mill lying lib.

Again, everyone, welcome Permatiltx to Mediaite, but remember- he is just another lying lib!!!

Poor Cobra, ya really out to read Mediaite more often!

LMAO!

Fox News Ranks 3rd On All Of Cable Last Week In Prime Time; Competition 28th And Lower

by Steve Krakauer | 5:34 pm, July 21st, 2010

Fox News returned to their usual spot as a top three cable network last week after a one-week hiatus during the July 4 vacation.

Meanwhile the cable news competition was stuck 28th and lower.

USA Network was #1 in prime time with TNT #2. FNC was ranked 3rd.

MSNBC finished 28th, CNN 33rd and HLN 37th. It was a slightly better finish for each of these networks from the holiday week before.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-ranks-3rd-on-all-of-cable-last-week-in-prime-time-competition-28th-and-lower/

Cobra said:
Felixw…hello? Where’s Fox News? Where’s Hannity? Where’s O’Reilly? Greta…
You mean to tell me that more people watched king crab fishing on the Discovery Channel than Bill O’Reilly?
More people watched reruns of “NCIS” and “Family Guy?” than Sean Hannity? More people watched dramas about Southern-fried vampires (True Blood), reality shows about pawn shops (Pawn Stars) and oiled-up, half-naked men on ‘roids hitting themselves over the heads with chairs (WWE Raw) than Greta Van Sustren and EVERYTHING ELSE the FOX NEWS CHANNEL has to offer?
The link is right there, people.
Talk to me about ratings and “Quality” programming again.
I DOUBLE-DOG DARE you.
–Cobra

It is obvious you are ignorart of ratings and how they are used.

You use your same illogical assessment and apply it to broadcast TV. You can compare the top 20 programs on broadcast TV and you won’t see ABC News, NBC News and CNS News on that list. Amongst cable news channels, Fox News beats out its competition anytime of the day. CNN and MSNBC are in a fierce battle for the number three spot in cable news. Sometimes, it appears they are competing on who can disparage Fox News the best because overtaking Fox News is a pipe dream.

VegasRudy said:
It is obvious you are ignorart of ratings and how they are used.

Nonsense. NBC, ABC and CBS don’t run their anchor news programming in PRIME TIME. The most you’ll get is “Dateline”: NBC–48 Hours: CBS –20/20 ABC,

CONT’D…

And the most SUCCESSFUL newsmagazine of all time–”60 Minutes”-CBS. How did they make out in the Broadcast TOP 20 for the same week?

Prime-time viewership numbers compiled by the Nielsen Co. for July 12-18. Listings include the week’s ranking and viewership.

1. Major League Baseball All-Star Game, Fox, 12.12 million.

2. “America’s Got Talent” (Tuesday), NBC, 11.63 million.

3. “America’s Got Talent” (Wednesday), NBC, 11.44 million.

4. “NCIS,” CBS, 10.21 million.

5. “The Bachelorette,” ABC, 9.64 million.

6. “All-Star Game Pregame Show,” Fox, 9.18 million.

7. “NCIS: Los Angeles,” CBS, 8.15 million.

8. “60 Minutes,” CBS, 7.84 million.

9. “Wipeout” (Thursday), ABC, 7.83 million.

10. “The Big Bang Theory,” CBS, 7.825 million.

11. “Wipeout” (Tuesday), ABC, 7.82 million.

12. “Two and a Half Men,” CBS, 7.78 million.

13. “The Mentalist,” CBS, 7.46 million.

14. “Big Brother 12″ (Thursday), CBS, 7.1 million.

15. “Big Brother 12″ (Sunday), CBS, 6.92 million.

16. “20/20,” ABC, 6.9 million.

17. “Minute to Win It” (Wednesday), NBC, 6.73 million.

18. “CSI: Crime Scene Investigation,” CBS, 6.66 million.

19. “CSI: Miami,” CBS, 6.46 million.

20. “Rookie Blue,” ABC, 6.38 million.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/07/20/entertainment/e132801D03.DTL#ixzz0uZZyeGQQ

Well, lookee there…VegasRudy. I see an ABC News Program in the Top 20, and a CBS News Program in the TOP 10.

Checkmate.

–Cobra

notsofast,

So Nielsen is lying?

–Cobra

notsofast said:
Folks, I want to introduce you to the latest lying liberal shill for BHO, Permatiltx

The other day, I commented on the tired, worn out practice of libs always coming on Mediaite to repeat their lame excuses for FOX being #1 in cable news while MSNBC still staggers way behind like a sick puppy ( see cobra above.)

Permatiltx said:

I see a lot of the no one watches FOX news here being said by libs thing. I would like some links to it. Not saying it doesn’t happen, but this is the first time I’ve read that Libs are saying it.

notsofast said:

Ask the Royal King-
King, tell him how many watch FOX.

Permatiltx said:

So, one guy says it, means all libs say it? I’m confused

notsofast said:

Wrong!
Mediaite weekly shows cable ratings and on that post many libs chime in with “only 0.3%” of the population watches FOX. ” America’s Got Talent ” has more viewers than FOX”, etc.

Permatiltx said:

You told me one guy said it. That’s what you said, and I’m just quoting you from before.”

notsofast said:

See, ya lied, child.
Flat out lied!
I never said “one” said that. I said many.
So kindly STFU!”

Actually, you didn’t say “one” that is true. But you didn’t say many until after I raised that question. Again, you “jumped to conclusions” similar to the way MSNBC jumped to conclusion about FOX being responsible for the Sherrod incident (I don’t think FOX was responsible. I don’t know if I ever did. But I do believe that the left did jump the gun on this one). I asked for a link about the libs saying that. Most people agree that FOX News is tops in ratings for cable news commentary channels. I agree with that statement. I was curious who was saying it and where. A reasonable request. Your response: Ask the Royal King-
King, tell him how many watch FOX. Um, to help your 182 IQ with math and wording, that’s one guy. You answered my question with one guy. Now, I’m looking at a logical and rational response to that with. Wait, one guy? Your response was instantly an attack. Attack tactics in debate show a person who is not basing his opinions on solid ground. That is a theory are argument techniques. You attack because you are worried about your backing. I haven’t really gone on the attack at this point. I was making a logical assessment from what you wrote. So, I never lied about that. Questions don’t equal lies. We question to figure things out. However, you called me a liar. And you were wrong on that account. We can argue semantics all day, but I’m backing up that I didn’t lie about that.

notsofast said:See the lying Permatiltx was trying to argue that libs don’t in fact come here and repeat their worn out excuses, trying to disparage FOX.

Is that really what you took from my argument? Cause I never argued that. See above of how I didn’t make that my point. Most libs that I have seen in other message boards have argued the ratings don’t equal quality argument, also the FOX wins in the ratings because their audience is older and tends to turn to television for their news as opposed to the internet. Liberals do tend to skew younger and therefore will use other forms of media. I’ve heard this argument. I’m new here, and that was the first time I had heard libs saying that people don’t watch FOX. I was just curious. Again, didn’t deserve the attack. And there, I did not lie. It seems that notsfast doesn’t like curiosity? (Of course, this isn’t true, I’m just using similar fallacies in your argument to instantly jump to that conclusion.)

notsofastAnd now look at Permatilx- his wretched ass is now arguing the same trash that I said libs do.

“Ratings don’t equal quality.”

Actually, that’s the same “trash” that debate scholars will argue is a logical fallacy. The “tons of people can’t be wrong” argument would get thrown out of any debate competition in any school. I did use examples, and not just entertainment, but also the approval of Hitler during WWII. But since we’re talking about race, let’s go back to slavery and see the amount of people who participated in the act that we now see as an unjust practice. Again, most thought it was a perfectly fine practice. Did that mean it was right? Now, I’m not comparing FOX to slavery or Hitler. But my point and it’s the backing of why this is a fallacy is that “10 million Elvis fans can be wrong.” And yes, I can make entertainment comparisons because Beck will state himself a rodeo clown and entertainer first, political stalwart second. Again, Beck has said this. Murdoch and Ailes both say they are interested in ratings. Thus, the entertainment comparisons can technically be justified.

notsofast said:He then regurgitates the worn-out lib talking points of comparing entertainment/movies to the ratings of a cable news network.

Sorry, child, that has been tried many times before. Try something original for a change. And you won’t compare comparables to comparables, such as FOX to CNN or MSNBC, unless he then follow ssuch a comparison with misrepresentations or an outright lie.

Now, first off, the “sorry, child” act is getting pretty old. We are having a lively debate and discussion, but perhaps due to self esteem issues, you have to belittle those with differing opinions. I’m not sure. But it shows a complete lack of maturity. Now, I have seen people of differing opinion to my own argue with me without the name calling or the irrational fear that seems to permeate from your comments. Whether you’re right or not, you’re a pretty shitty debater. Sorry for the language, but it seems that it helps you understand a little bit better where I’m coming from.

notsofast said:“Maddow is also not a ratings disaster. She doesn’t have Bill O’s numbers, but she does still do pretty solidly among the other news commentary shows.”

Categorized | Cable News Daily Ratings
Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, July 21, 2010

Posted on 22 July 2010 by Robert Seidman
O’Reilly rerun ratings at 11PM.

11 PM P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
The O’Reilly Factor– 1,683,000 viewers (656,000) (970,000)

Maddow ratings Live at 9:00PM

9 PM – P2+ (25-54) (35-64)
Rachel Maddow Show —976,000 viewers (245,000) (492,000)

LMAO
And your big lie, child!

When compared to CNN, that’s not really a ratings disaster. It does remarkably hold water with the young don’t use television as their main source of news commentary. Look at the low numbers for both groups. Again, she’s not doing as well as Bill O’Reilly. And she would love to be doing as well as Bill. Who wouldn’t. But I’m not seeing a “disaster.” (Homeboys in Space, now that was a ratings disaster). Of course, this will help you better if I say In My Opinion. I don’t know if that helps or not. I hope it does. I’m not lying. The concept of what is a ratings disaster could be considered opinion. I didn’t say you lied by saying it was. Now, opinions aren’t facts. Calling it a ratings disaster is not a fact. It’s an opinion. Now we are comparing again. The funny thing is that Bill O’ was more in the right over the Sherrod thing than Maddow. FOX didn’t need to take the blame. They were not directly responsible. And I feel that is true. However, when Bill O’ took the “We’re beating you in the ratings” approach, he, unfortunately lost the argument. I don’t dislike Bill. We don’t have similar opinions, sure. But his debating style fell into supreme question on this one. He had the upper hand and he lost it. And Maddow’s rebuttal was very well organized and structured. I’m sorry. Bill had it, and then he slipped up.

notsofast said:“Also, Morning Joe regularly beats Fox and Friends. Therefore, Morning Joe is better than Fox and Friends?”

Cable News Ratings for Wednesday, July 21, 2010

Morning programs (6:00AM-9:00AM) P2+ (25-54) (35-64)

FOX & Friends- 997,000 viewers (305,000) (549,000)

Morning Joe- 368,000 viewers (121,000) (170,000)

Mr. 146- you are nothing but the everyday run -of-the- mill lying lib.

Again, everyone, welcome Permatiltx to Mediaite, but remember- he is just another lying lib!!!

This one I will admit I’m embarrassed about. I read an article about Morning Joe overtaking American Morning. The same article discussed the ratings lag that occurred with FOX and Friends. I jumped the gun, read the facts wrong, and yes, it came out as a lie. I apologize for that and recant. I make mistakes. Yes, I will throw out a fallacy as well in my arguments. Not perfect. So, let’s call it a lie, a mistake, a misreading of the facts as I researched for rebuttals. Again, I’m sorry.

Now, calling me a lib. You’ve done this several times now. You also said I’m here to be a shill for BHO (I assume that’s Barack Obama and not a dyslexic version of Home Box Office, which is a pretty good channel). Well, actually, I think he and the White House were wrong in this case. I’m a pretty piss poor shill then, don’t you think. Look, I’m against ideology. It was one of the main reasons I know register as an independent instead of Democrat. I can’t say ideology is hurting this country in one hand and then stay true to an ideology. I’m moving away from labels such as lib and con. I do consider myself more of a progressive, sure. But that’s because my beliefs are based on my heart and my soul, not on what a bunch of higher ups tell me is my party line. I don’t buy into all the Dems ideas, just like you shouldn’t buy into all the Reps ideas. We don’t use our hearts and minds to make educated guesses any more. That’s a sad thing that is happening to this country. And you know what, I will continue to head into message boards and spread my views on what we as human beings (not libs or cons, Dems or Reps) should be considering when we head to the polls. Maybe it will keep the country (which I love so please don’t attack me for a lack of patriotism, it will only hurt your arguments more) from being split apart. I don’t want to insult you or lower myself to name calling and mudslinging, but it seems that these are the absolutes that you understand best. I mean, it makes sense when you look at it. You chose a convicted murderer as your avatar.

Cobra, you obviously believe that people are stupid and this is reflected in their idiotic choices. I am not sure I agree, but after the Presidential election of 2008, I may need to reconsider.

Cobra said:
notsofast,

So Nielsen is lying?

–Cobra

Dumb ass!

My figures ARE Nielsen numbers!

You are so dumb!

Permatiltx said:
You chose a convicted murderer as your avatar.

He is also a lib like you, liar!

notsofast said:
He is also a lib like you, liar!

Really? I put together a diatribe dissecting each point that you made. And this is the point you come back on. You really are bad at this.

So for the record, you have a lib (Phil Spector) who also is in prison for murder wearing a crazy afro and you feel this is the best representation of your views? You may not understand how avatars work either.

Now, the phrase, He is also a lib like you, liar! would work without the liar part. Again, if the rest of these comments suddenly disappeared and all you had was these last two pieces, well then, someone would come in here and assume that the phrase You chose a convicted murderer as your avatar is the phrase where I lied. Um, that may be the most honest phrase in the whole comment I sent you, and that’s where you decided to call me a liar? I know that you are calling me a liar for previous comments, but when you use it here, well, it makes it seem like the convicted murderer as your avatar thing is a lie. Actually, not a lie at all. You chose Phil Spector (a convicted murderer, that’s a fact, he was convicted of murder and is serving a 19 year sentence) as your avatar (that thing next to your name with a picture in it is your avatar). Here, it would be like having Charles Manson coming into the trial wearing a MacGyver-esque mullet and that’s what I used as my avatar. What does that say about me?

I’m just saying, your avatar is a piss poor representation of your views. Unless Phil Spector would just call people that disagreed with him liars and belittle them with the trite phrase “child” then yes, it does have an accurate representation of your views. I don’t have the time to research that. Sorry.

Though, I just realized I wrote a lot on that last comment, and well, it would take time to read. So perhaps you just read the last sentence. Which is disappointing because I did have a lot more insight in that comment than just attacking you. I even admitted to a mistake. It wasn’t great writing, I spent fifteen to twenty minutes typing it up, there’s grammatical errors and some trains of thought that don’t follow the basic structure of tight writing, but it’s not bad for something that wasn’t edited. And there are a few good points there. I’m amazed though that you have stuck with calling me a lib and a liar. But you never hit on the obvious slam that would be a legitimate assessment of me.

I’m arrogant.

I put it separate from the rest of the comment so that you could read it. See, no fear on pointing out my own flaws. Take with that what you will.

BatBoy said:
From the joint MSNBC Policy Manual/Rules for Radicals….
RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.”
RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.”
RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.”
RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

The MSNBC host try going after FOX night after night…but it just never works.

What would a week of MSNBC programming sound like if they did not mention FOX????

Your thoughts please!

Here are my thoughts: You are absolutely correct.

MSNBC slavishly follows the Alinsky Rules for Radicals. The problem comes when people figure out what they are doing, and how carefully the practitioners of these rules avoid any discussion of real issues on their merits. At an extreme, you end up with a Keith Olbermann — sort of the Alinsky ideal man — who goes for years without allowing anyone on his show who doesn’t parrot his own smears and rants. A very infantile posture, when you examine it closely.

@dandmb50 – Why does the liberal media keep blaming O’Reilly for all this and yet say nothing about the fact that NAACP and the government are also responsible for acting too quickly, but they only seem to put down FOX?
Liberals will never let this one go, it’s too juicy and they love to shake down O’Reilly. I don’t always agree with him and he did do wrong in this case, but he does report things that the others just seem to sweep under the table.
And if nobody watches him, why is it that the liberal media always know what he is saying/doing and why do they care if nobody is watching him?
Strange indeed, and I don’t even live there.

Daniel .. Toronto, CANADA
http://bit.ly/bKGa13

notsofast said:
Dumb ass! My figures ARE Nielsen numbers! You are so dumb!

Hello,

Where is your TOP 20 list? I posted a TOP 20 List. I didn’t see one Fox News Program on it. Other weeks may be different, but I sourced the latest one.

–Cobra

Instead of comparing Fox News to other cable news outlets, we must use the apples and oranges method of comparing it to all other networks, so that we can downplay the Fox ratings.

FURTHERMORE:

Who REALLY watches Fox News?

“Among ad-supported cable nets, the news nets (along with older-skewing Hallmark Channel, Golf Channel and GSN’s daytime sked) sport the most gray, with Fox News Channel’s daytime and primetime skeds the absolute oldest, clocking in with a median age above 65.”

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117988273.html?categoryid=1275&cs=1

So Fox News viewers are REALLY old…

“The same survey showed that FOX news featured white guests 93 percent of the time and male guests 91 percent of the time. According to the Nielsen Company, more than 95 percent of Fox news viewers are white.”

http://www.cybercollege.com/bias.htm

…and REALLY White.

That Older White Americans, many of whom grew up benefitting a racially DISCRIMINATORY America, would tune in to watch Fox News attack minorities day after day doesn’t surprise me one bit.

–Cobra

Cobra, thanks for keeping tabs on the color of people’s skin. Will you do a tabulation on the NBA players union or BET Music Award winners for us next? By the way, I’ve noticed that Gladys Knight has never hired a white guy as a Pip. This probably deserves your urgent attention.

felixw said:
Cobra, thanks for keeping tabs on the color of people’s skin. Will you do a tabulation on the NBA players union or BET Music Award winners for us next? By the way, I’ve noticed that Gladys Knight has never hired a white guy as a Pip. This probably deserves your urgent attention.

So you’re conceding the point that Fox News is simply a channel for old White People over 65, as the Nielson demographics reflect?

–Cobra

Cobra, the ratings numbers — and they come out daily — show Fox beating the other cable news networks in all demographic measures. Including the key 25-54 age group. But Fox probably has an especially strong following among the old people…since they are the ones who will lose their Social Security and Medicare after Obama-Reid-Pelosi bankrupt the nation, and those kinds of stories aren’t covered on CNN, MSNBC, etc.

No Billo! They are attacking you because you are a LIAR!
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jul/23/bill-oreilly/bill-oreilly-blames-obama-administration-not-pursu/