“In a fairly devastating segment”

Fairly predictable is more accurate.

This was a very good segment. Well-crafted and well-reasoned. Well-presented. Also, opportune, feeding not only on Beck’s slanderous statement of our President which resulted in advertisers fleeing his program (save and except the Buy Gold – Buy Seeds segments), but also on Kelly’s now terribly unfortunate exploitation of the NBPP non-story during the preceding week. Maddow seems to have a good sense when to strike.

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Who cares what Maddow or Olbermann have to say?

Certainly not the White House! – They jump-on-cue to GLENN BECK!!!!

btw,

Happy “Stupid Cambridge Police” day from the President!

lol!!

I’m thinking Rachel is part of this group”

Liberal journalists suggest government shut down Fox News

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/#ixzz0uQ1nAt00

I read this quote in another article and thought of you:

The Alinskyites have done a swell job of infiltrating and radicalizing the media as a weapon and propaganda tool to subvert the truth, obstruct an open debate, and destroy anyone who dares to show them for what they are; and the false allegation of racism is just one of their many weapons of subversion. But while the Old Media sweeps these examples of genuine racism under the rug, you will hear the truth from bloggers and independent journalists all over the World Wide Web. Thank Gore God for the Internet! And many lauds to Tucker Carlson and Andrew Breitbart!

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/rules-for-racists/2/#ixzz0uQ1OP6gF

Rachel is exactly right. And this is the sort of “strategy” Republicans invariably rely upon, because, again, they have nothing else to offer the American people. Fortunately, the American public rejected this strategy in 2008 and I think they will again this year and in 2012. Fox News is preying upon the vast numbers of the unintelligent – almost hick-ish element in their audience (identified this year as Teabaggers) in an attempt to scare that group of people – who might not have the ability to distinguish between lies and truth because they aren’t intellectually capable of doing so.

Glynnis,

Do you know when Ms. Maddow will be doing an exposé on the conspiracy by Leftist reporters, producers, and professors on the Journolist list-serv to destroy freedom of speech and freedom of the press in this country?

If you could post that I’d really appreciate it.

Thanks!

PS: Were any of Mediaites staff part of Journolist?

The very existence of Fox News, meanwhile, sends Journolisters into paroxysms of rage. When Howell Raines charged that the network had a conservative bias, the members of Journolist discussed whether the federal government should shut the channel down.

“I am genuinely scared” of Fox, wrote Guardian columnist Daniel Davies, because it “shows you that a genuinely shameless and unethical media organisation *cannot* be controlled by any form of peer pressure or self-regulation, and nor can it be successfully cold-shouldered or ostracised. In order to have even a semblance of control, you need a tough legal framework.” Davies, a Brit, frequently argued the United States needed stricter libel laws.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/2/#ixzz0uQ2iiRtT

Jonathan Zasloff, a law professor at UCLA, suggested that the federal government simply yank Fox off the air. “I hate to open this can of worms,” he wrote, “but is there any reason why the FCC couldn’t simply pull their broadcasting permit once it expires?”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/2/#ixzz0uQ2oLj2b

Conservatives have been using the scare (especially old) white people tactic repeatedly for a long time. And it is somewhat ironic that BriteBart, during much of his career, has been in the employ of Sun Myung Moon. Of course Moon famously believes that white people are the cause of the world’s problems.

And so a debate ensued. Time’s Scherer, who had seemed to express support for increased regulation of Fox, suddenly appeared to have qualms: “Do you really want the political parties/white house picking which media operations are news operations and which are a less respectable hybrid of news and political advocacy?”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/2/#ixzz0uQ2xWm4S

Azkaban-

What conspiracy?

MichelleF said:
I’m thinking Rachel is part of this group”

Liberal journalists suggest government shut down Fox News

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/#ixzz0uQ1nAt00

I read this quote in another article and thought of you:

The Alinskyites have done a swell job of infiltrating and radicalizing the media as a weapon and propaganda tool to subvert the truth, obstruct an open debate, and destroy anyone who dares to show them for what they are; and the false allegation of racism is just one of their many weapons of subversion. But while the Old Media sweeps these examples of genuine racism under the rug, you will hear the truth from bloggers and independent journalists all over the World Wide Web. Thank Gore God for the Internet! And many lauds to Tucker Carlson and Andrew Breitbart!

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/rules-for-racists/2/#ixzz0uQ1OP6gF

Unless you get some fresh material, Dear, you’ll never help Breitbart and FOX dig themselves out of this hole. All of the Daily Caller materials smell ever worse this morning than yesterday, you know?

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MichelleF-

Do you have original thoughts? Or are you a robot, sent by dailycaller to get page views?

I’m sorry Val, WHICH side uses the race card:

I do not endorse a Popular Front, nor do I think you need to. It’s not necessary to jump to Wright-qua-Wright’s defense. What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger’s [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear. Obviously I mean this rhetorically.

And I think this threads the needle. If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists. Ask: why do they have such a deep-seated problem with a black politician who unites the country? What lurks behind those problems? This makes *them* sputter with rage, which in turn leads to overreaction and self-destruction.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/documents-show-media-plotting-to-kill-stories-about-rev-jeremiah-wright/3/#ixzz0uQ3n2arr

hatehavingtodothis, do you have a defense or only killing the mesenger?

MichelleF-

Nowhere in your copying and pasting have you remotely discredited any information presented by Maddow or in this article.

Newsjunky said:
Rachel is exactly right. And this is the sort of “strategy” Republicans invariably rely upon, because, again, they have nothing else to offer the American people. Fortunately, the American public rejected this strategy in 2008 and I think they will again this year and in 2012. Fox News is preying upon the vast numbers of the unintelligent – almost hick-ish element in their audience (identified this year as Teabaggers) in an attempt to scare that group of people – who might not have the ability to distinguish between lies and truth because they aren’t intellectually capable of doing so.

You have such a good point. This Reagan fear strategy has not been a constant part of Republican politics since the 1980′s, but it is a recurring feature. For example, I have always wanted to think that Poppy Bush was terribly uncomfortable with the Willie Horton ad. Bob Dole did not prey on fear. John McCain did not exploit the racial divide and even reigned in the Drop Out Governor from doing so. Since the attacks on the Town Hall Meetings last summer by the Tea Partiers, however, the fear issue has come back in terrible ways. And, in Breitbart and FOX News, Limbaugh and Wiener, and others, the fear mongers have found willing media conspirators.

I, too, don’t think it’s going to work.

Cue the discrimination against Whites cliches now.

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Oh and by the way, I do have original thoughts but they aren’t nearly as damning as using libs own words against them. Now I know that breaks the 11th commandment, but I figure if that’s the only one I’m breaking, I’m doin ok.

Glynnis MacNicol said:
………Dave Weigel also briefly touched on a similar point in his excoriation of Megyn Kelly the other day

Really ? !? Dave Weigel …. I’m shocked , shocked I say .

Did the last Journolist memo say to start working Dave Weigel back in ?

MichelleF said:
I’m sorry Val, WHICH side uses the race card:

I do not endorse a Popular Front, nor do I think you need to. It’s not necessary to jump to Wright-qua-Wright’s defense. What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger’s [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear. Obviously I mean this rhetorically.

And I think this threads the needle. If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists. Ask: why do they have such a deep-seated problem with a black politician who unites the country? What lurks behind those problems? This makes *them* sputter with rage, which in turn leads to overreaction and self-destruction.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/documents-show-media-plotting-to-kill-stories-about-rev-jeremiah-wright/3/#ixzz0uQ3n2arr

Ok.

I don’t think it’s ok to blindly call certain conservative commentators racist. I disagree with that guy here but I think it is still less shocking and offensive than some of the race baiting that Maddow highlights on the conservative side. One is an individual on a very partisan listserv, the other is a supposedly unpartisan news channel

hatehavingtodothis said:
MichelleF-

Do you have original thoughts? Or are you a robot, sent by dailycaller to get page views?

It’s a relatively new phenomenon, and I don’t think Michelle in Utah knows that she is setting herself up for a terrible hurt. Carlson tends to do that to righties.

I do agree that the constant Daily Caller links have gone from ridiculous to absurd. Perhaps, there is little source material out there to support Michelle’s views.

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Glynnis,

Glenn Beck on the line. He want’s to know if any of Mediaites staff were members of Journolist. What shall I say?

Copying and pasting certain liberal commentators comment does nothing to convince me of flawed logic on the progressive side, only of heated close-mindedness which both sides can possess.

MichelleF said:
Oh and by the way, I do have original thoughts but they aren’t nearly as damning as using libs own words against them. Now I know that breaks the 11th commandment, but I figure if that’s the only one I’m breaking, I’m doin ok.

I suppose choosing the crunchy Cheetos over the puffy Cheetos is an original thought of sorts. What does the Daily Caller have to say about that?

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At and after the Civil Rights era the political strategy of terrifying white people by the threat posed by black people, black people coming to get them, coming to take what’s rightfully theirs, that strategy got a new name, the Southern Strategy…it about making white people feel like they are the victims of black people. Black people are the racists…it’s good politics, it always has been in this country. It still is.

Wait, she could be onto something here, these people do sound a little scared of blacks:

Some junior high n*gger kicked Steve’s ass while he was trying to help his brothers out; junior high or sophomore in high school. Whatever it was, Steve had the n*gger down. However it was, it was Steve’s fault. He had the n*gger down, he let him up. The n*gger blindsided him.”

– Roger Clinton, the President’s brother on audiotape

“You’d find these potentates from down in Africa, you know, rather than eating each other, they’d just come up and get a good square meal in Geneva.”
– Fritz Hollings (D, S.C.)

“Is you their black-haired answer-mammy who be smart? Does they like how you shine their shoes, Condoleezza? Or the way you wash and park the whitey’s cars?”

– Left-wing radio host Neil Rogers

Blacks and Hispanics are “too busy eating watermelons and tacos” to learn how to read and write.” — Mike Wallace, CBS News. Source: Newsmax

Black on Black

“In the days of slavery, there were those slaves who lived on the plantation and [there] were those slaves that lived in the house. You got the privilege of living in the house if you served the master … exactly the way the master intended to have you serve him. Colin Powell’s committed to come into the house of the master. When Colin Powell dares to suggest something other than what the master wants to hear, he will be turned back out to pasture.”
– Harry Belafonte

“Republicans bring out Colin Powell and J.C. Watts because they have no program, no policy. They have no love and no joy. They’d rather take pictures with black children than feed them.” — Donna Brazile, Al Gore’s Campaign Manager for the 2000 election

(On Clarence Thomas) “A handkerchief-head, chicken-and-biscuit-eating Uncle Tom.” — Spike Lee

“He’s married to a white woman. He wants to be white. He wants a colorless society. He has no ethnic pride. He doesn’t want to be black.”

– California State Senator Diane Watson’s on Ward Connerly’s interracial marriage

Comments From The Past

“Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.”

– Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the “conscience of the Senate”, in a letter written in 1944, after he quit the KKK.

“I am a former kleagle of the Ku Klux Klan in Raleigh County and the adjoining counties of the state …. The Klan is needed today as never before and I am anxious to see its rebirth here in West Virginia …. It is necessary that the order be promoted immediately and in every state of the Union. Will you please inform me as to the possibilities of rebuilding the Klan in the Realm of W. Va …. I hope that you will find it convenient to answer my letter in regards to future possibilities.”

– Former Klansman and current US Senator Robert Byrd, a man who is referred to by many Democrats as the “conscience of the Senate”, in a letter written in 1946, after he quit the KKK.

“These laws [segregation] are still constitutional and I promise you that until they are removed from the ordinance books of Birmingham and the statute books of Alabama, they will be enforced in Birmingham to the utmost of my ability and by all lawful means.”

– Democrat Bull Connor (1957), Commissioner of Public Safety for Birmingham, Alabama

“I’ll have those n*ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years.”

– Lyndon B. Johnson to two governors on Air Force One according Ronald Kessler’s Book, “Inside The White House”

(On New York) “K*ketown.” — Harry Truman in a personal letter

“I think one man is just as good as another so long as he’s not a n*gger or a Chinaman. Uncle Will says that the Lord made a White man from dust, a nigger from mud, then He threw up what was left and it came down a Chinaman. He does hate Chinese and Japs. So do I. It is race prejudice, I guess. But I am strongly of the opinion Negroes ought to be in Africa, Yellow men in Asia and White men in Europe and America.”

-Harry Truman (1911) in a letter to his future wife Bess

“There’s some people who’ve gone over the state and said, ‘Well, George Wallace has talked too strong about segregation.’ Now let me ask you this: how in the name of common sense can you be too strong about it? You’re either for it or you’re against it. There’s not any middle ground as I know of.” — Democratic Alabama Governor George Wallace (1959)

“There’s no great, white bigot; there’s just about 200 million little white bigots out there.” — USA Today columnist Julienne Malveaux

“We have lost to the white racist press and to the racist reactionary Jewish misleaders.” — Former Rep. Gus Savage (D-Illinois) after his defeat 1992

“White folks was in caves while we was building empires… We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” — Rev. Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ, cited in “Democrats Do the Dumbest Things

You libs are just doubling down on the race-baiting since your race-baiting playbook was released to the public. Good luck with that! You’ve tried to take on FOX before and have lost EVERY single time. But it is fun to watch, I’ll admit.

Agenda? What Agenda? On Maddow? On MSNBC? Come now you jest!

Advertisers being pressured to leave Beck’s show is more like it. How did that work out? Not so much, in fact it seems that website has pretty much gone dead. Except that they want your information.

http://colorofchange.org/

BTW: Isn’t Randi Rhoades still selling Gold?

MichelleF-

What?

Now I know I should not watch this woman any more. She does not feel for the argument of groupsism versus individual accountability, like so many ‘news’ agents today. What she does instead is concoction from one side.

It is like when someone called the local TV station and asked them to stop reporting crime because it scares White people.

@MichelleF

When do you work?? All you do is “talk crap” on this site 24/7. If you don’t work. You don’t have ANYTHING. I don’t know what you think Republians are going to do for you.

You’re Poor and apparently “JOBLESS”. You’re a JOKE to them.

Don’t ask me when I work. Because I work and have for 46 years this September. I have a job with a National Corporation that gives me Freedom, a Paycheck, Health Benefits, Expenses, Pension, Cell Phone, etc. And NO I don’t belong to a Union.

That’s what happens to the elite when they get an Education. You’re on this site 24/7. Don’t you have another life?? Geeezzzzz. 24/7 hate fighting for the “Real Elite in this Country”.

Seriously, I know it must be SO frustrating for you libs. I mean you have the whole team against one little guy and you can’t do a darn thing to get rid of him. I get your Fox rage.

White people are scared. That’s the only way the NO IDEAS Republicans can get their votes.

Remember the “Death Panel” queen. Stoop low enough to scare Grandma if that’s what it takes.

BTW….the Baggers want to eliminate SS and Medicare. Better save your pennies haters!!

MichelleF said:
You libs are just doubling down on the race-baiting since your race-baiting playbook was released to the public. Good luck with that! You’ve tried to take on FOX before and have lost EVERY single time. But it is fun to watch, I’ll admit.

You are clearly fluent in conservative race baiting, with all of your fox news watching and daily caller reading. Want to call it a draw and start coming up with original things to say?

Rachel plays the age-old race card strategy. Someone should tell her that people stopped believing this stuff long ago. After all, she does it every day, and against every opponent. Just like the leftwing media agreed to do on JournoList. Have you read it? They even admitted that it didn’t really matter who they smeared, so long as they sent a message that all opponents of their agenda would get called a racist. The idea is to use the charge as an intimidation tactic.

Here is the MSNBC strategy, as described by a leftwing journalist amidst the JournoList gathering of elite mainstream media reporters:

What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger’s face and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear.

MichelleF said:
Seriously, I know it must be SO frustrating for you libs. I mean you have the whole team against one little guy and you can’t do a darn thing to get rid of him. I get your Fox rage.

No, you don’t. You know very very little.

BTW “suck on this”!!

Democrats Jump Into Six-Point Lead on Generic Ballot

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141440/Democrats-Jump-Six-Point-Lead-Generic-Ballot.aspx

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felixw said:
They even admitted that it didn’t really matter who they smeared, so long as they sent a message that all opponents of their agenda would get called a racist.

“They”?

yweston said:
White people are scared. That’s the only way the NO IDEAS Republicans can get their votes.

Remember the “Death Panel” queen. Stoop low enough to scare Grandma if that’s what it takes.

BTW….the Baggers want to eliminate SS and Medicare. Better save your pennies haters!!

My only fears in life are young men on bicycles coming towards my house. Otherwise, no one else really bothers me.

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yweston said:
BTW “suck on this”!!

Democrats Jump Into Six-Point Lead on Generic Ballot

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141440/Democrats-Jump-Six-Point-Lead-Generic-Ballot.aspx

How many times do I have to say Gallup’s strategy is flawed. Only Rasmussen targets likely Republican voters. That’s why it’s the most accurate.

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MichelleF said:
I’m sorry Val, WHICH side uses the race card: I do not endorse a Popular Front, nor do I think you need to. It’s not necessary to jump to Wright-qua-Wright’s defense. What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger’s [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear. Obviously I mean this rhetorically. And I think this threads the needle. If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists. Ask: why do they have such a deep-seated problem with a black politician who unites the country? What lurks behind those problems? This makes *them* sputter with rage, which in turn leads to overreaction and self-destruction. Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/documents-show-media-plotting-to-kill-stories-about-rev-jeremiah-wright/3/#ixzz0uQ3n2arr

Does it constitute “using the race card” to point out that someone is employing racism? That expression is typically the defense by those who are embarressed about being outed. And why would it be a surprise that FOX hangs out with racists when the guy who runs their news division, Roger Ailes, is the author of the Willie Horton ad?

yweston, I actually work an ave. of 40-50 yours a week. I probably do more before your liberal head leaves the pillow than you do all day. I’m amused at how well you libs think you know me. LIke yourself, I work full-time and have full benefits. Unlike you, I would tell you where that is.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

“about making white people feel like they are the victims of black people”

We’re not victims of black people. We are victims of rabid white leftists who practice inflammatory, divisive, race-based politics to retain power in American society. Rachel Maddow is merely one of their mouthpieces.

PS: so is Mediaite–but don’t tell anyone

I wouldn’t tell you.

GO RACH!

“We are victims of rabid white leftists who practice inflammatory, divisive, race-based politics to retain power in American society”

THE IRONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Poor, conservative, white, Americans. Had it so hard for so long. Those blacks hold all the power. It’s about time we put them in their place, RIGHT!? They’ve had the reigns for TOO LONG!

Yweston,
Is that the Gallup poll discussed here:

Did Gallup mislead readers on its last generic Congressional ballot chart? Update: Gallup corrects sample report

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/07/21/did-gallup-mislead-readers-on-its-last-generic-congressional-ballot-chart/

Scaring people is what the conservatives tried to do when they were opposing woman’s sufferage, when they were opposing regulating unsafe work conditions, child labor, anti-trust laws, and virtually all other forms of progress. It is a last refuge in opposition to common decency.

Awwww……Did I make YOU Bigots angry???

MichelleF said:
yweston, I actually work an ave. of 40-50 yours a week. I probably do more before your liberal head leaves the pillow than you do all day. I’m amused at how well you libs think you know me. LIke yourself, I work full-time and have full benefits. Unlike you, I would tell you where that is.

Any other questions, sweetheart?

Posting 30 cut and pastes on Mediaite doesn’t count as work Shelly. Well Tucker may be paying you to get hits on his hilarious non-stories though so maybe I am wrong…..

MichelleF

Get a JOB and stop living off the GOOBMENT “Teat”. When your Baggers take over your GOOBMENT check and food stamps are OOOOVVVVVEEEEERRRRR!!!

What Yweston, no comment on your bogus gallup poll. Admit it, that hurt a little?

I always find it hilarious that you welfare loving libs think I’m on welfard. I will repeat I have NEVER gotten a welfare check, nor would I. I have WAY too much pride for that. It’s you libs that love the gov’t teet.

“Those blacks hold all the power.’ hatehavingtodothis

No, not blacks. Swinish white leftists like you have all the power. You just use blacks to hide that fact. And you don’t hate having to do it at all.

MichelleF said:
What Yweston, no comment on your bogus gallup poll. Admit it, that hurt a little?

What, MichelleF, no comment on your blind-partisanship? Or is it just stupidity? Admit it, that hurt a little.

Doesn’t hurt at all, I’m conservative and proud of it. I don’t make a secret of that.

Come on Y, surely you have a ocmment on your bogus gallup poll.

Azarkhan said:
“Those blacks hold all the power.’ hatehavingtodothis

No, not blacks. Swinish white leftists like you have all the power. You just use blacks to hide that fact. And you don’t hate having to do it at all.

The republicans had the reigns long enough. And how do I use blacks to hide behind the fact that democrats are in control?

And I DO hate it! If everyone was a little more rational, open minded, and considerate, perhaps we could climb out of these partisan trenches from which we lob verbal grenades.

MichelleF said:
Doesn’t hurt at all, I’m conservative and proud of it. I don’t make a secret of that.

Come on Y, surely you have a ocmment on your bogus gallup poll.

Well I’m proud to be a centrist. I’m glad we got that cleared up.

Hatehavingtodothis, show me the JournoList member who repudiated the race card tactics outlined on their ListServ? It would be hard to do so, since all of the mainstream press, except for Fox News and the Wall Street Journal, follow this bully boy tactic. Which I will repeat for those who missed it the first time:

“What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger’s face and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear.”

In other words, one guy said it, but they all do it. Especially Ms. Rachel Maddow and Mr. Keith Olbermann.

Felix-

No one repudiated it. It was a giant listserv email involving hundreds, most of whom probably ignored them or didn’t really care because, well, they’re left of center too, and why repudiate someone who is mostly like minded in a private email? It just… doesn’t seem too important or scandalous to me. And both sides do it. It’s a vicious media.

yweston said:
Don’t ask me when I work. Because I work and have for 46 years this September

Except when you post here …. or when you post at Huff Po

yweston
Member Since March 2009
Comments (7761) | Friends (181)

Most employeers would consider that much time posting comments , time theft.

yweston said:
BTW “suck on this”!!

As TRRK says, You have a filthy mouth yweston.

In the words of Roxsteady , I have to go ,my rides here.

” this is going to be a new theme for critics of Fox”

new? The running theme for years has been that conservatives are racist. Look at that BS Grayson spewed the other day – we see that over and over and over again.

Just taking into account the last few years, ANY criticism of Obama has been called racist. ANY and ALL criticism.

It is NOT racist to report on black people. It is not racist to discuss their socialist backgrounds, their voter intimidation tactics, their inexperience, their willing participation to assist proclaimed pimps, their affiliations with terrorists, or Reverends who say outrageous things.

Liberal media spreads the meme that ANY and ALL criticism of any black person is RACIST. And if it is a black person saying it, they are an Uncle Tom.

If the media avoids reporting on a story because the story is about a black person, isn’t that wrong? MSNBC etc. want to scare FOX from reporting ANY criticism of Obama, including stories like ACORN and NBP, or else they will be called racist. That is exactly what they have been doing, and what Dave Wiegel just did to Megyn.

“You report, and we’ll call you racist for it!”

Reading the journolist emails, they discuss both issues – labeling conservatives racist, AND the fact that they are so pissed at FOX because, try as they might, they can’t intimidate them and steer them from covering certain stories.

When Megyn Kelly got the scoop on the Black Panther case, she had the exclusive. She was reporting her *exclusive* and felt that was a real story (which it is). What Powers and Weigel did was despicable. They accused her of racism for covering a breaking story, in which she had the scoop. She should walk away from a story like that because the perps were black?

If Beck wasn’t on to something with Van Jones why did they force him to resign? Why is Maddow even including ACORN in this? The ACORN videos had nothing to do with black or white. (neither do the others, but lumping ACORN in here doesn’t even make sense.)

Bottom line – the liberal meme is that anyone who reports on, or criticizes Obama, or any black person, is a racist.

Maddow is doing exactly what she claims Fox News and the Right are doing, just from the opposite Point of View. She is misconstruing the entire reasoning for each story to fit her ‘black vs white’ agenda. She and many members of the Left are the one that can only see stories in black and white.

Lets go story by story, which Maddow claims are only about race:

Van Jones: About a goverment appointed official, who signed a 9/11 truther document, had documented past activism activities, and supported the release of a police murderer.

ACORN: A supposed bi-partisan publically funded organization, that was anything but – caught on tape showing people how to hide prostitution and avoid taxes. While also having several lawsuits for voter registration fraud.

Black Panthers: Organziation that is proud in its racism against whites… case of voter intimidation documented on tape thrown out before it even gets to court.

Sherrod: A classic “gotcha” journalism effort by a conservative blogger against the NAACP, which last week was claiming the Tea Party was nothing but racists. Then, when it gets reversed on them – they overreact.

This stories are not in the media to make people fear African-Americans…they are out there to make people fear the Progressive Agenda. The more light that is shown on the agenda, the more the majority of people disagree with it which is why the Left fights so hard to paint it as a racist argument. Race makes everyone hazy so the Left can balance the playing field and try to re-shape the debate. But the more and more the Left cries Wolf in these cases, the less they are working to sway the national opinion.

@puck30: I haven’t been to their website in a long time, but I get a colorofchange action notice every week or two. Last week they wanted me to do one of their online petitions to lobby CNN and yesterday, they asked that I click to show support for the rehiring of Ms Sherrod.

Haha, funny Ghome. That’s one of my favorite Rox quotes too.

BTW, I think Yweston took off so she wouldn’t have to answer why she’s siting bogus Gallup polls.

Sara, if the Journolist has taught us anything it’s that these so called journalists ( and I use the term VERY loosely) aren’t independent contractors, but a group. They coordinate attacks. Fox has been at the top of the list since they started. It just KILLS them that they can’t get rid of them. It’s fun to watch. Somehow, Fox always seems to come out on top. You’d think they’d learn.

Johnny-

You forgot to mention that all of those were still serious race baiting, perpetrated by whites, willfully misconstruing the position of blacks.

MichelleF said:
Sara, if the Journolist has taught us anything it’s that these so called journalists ( and I use the term VERY loosely) aren’t independent contractors, but a group. They coordinate attacks. Fox has been at the top of the list since they started. It just KILLS them that they can’t get rid of them. It’s fun to watch. Somehow, Fox always seems to come out on top. You’d think they’d learn.

Fox comes out on top because they are conservative, and more americans are conservative than liberal. The problem is that they create partisan-blind minions (LIKE YOU) who take shaky (but Fox News supported!) positions on issues, and feel justified in not actually, ya know, learning about it or thinking for themselves. LIKE YOU.

Havingtodothis, your comments don’t surprise me. This use of the race card as an intimidation technique is so common among the left these days, that of course you are not troubled to see it actually written out and disseminated throughout the mainstream media. (But, it’s important to add, via a group, that conservative reporters were not allowed to join.)

So, sure you are fine with this. But sensible people who want news and not propaganda, and don’t think reporters should practice Mafia-like intimidation tactics have a different view. They understand that reporters that do this kind of stuff (e.g., every reporter on MSNBC) have no credibility, and are just political operatives masquerading as journalists.

hatehavingtodothis, tell the truth, you’re colby in disguise, right?

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Johnny M said:
Johnny M says:
July 22, 2010 at 10:34 am 

Very well said, Johnny.

MichelleF said:
MichelleF says:
July 22, 2010 at 10:36 am  

I can’t wait to see what Daily Caller has next! Those comments about FOX were VERY telling. The Obama ones were “d’uh”, but the Sarah ones, from day one, are pretty shocking… I seriously think those people should be fired, those who conspired. That is disgusting.

Sara,
It kind of makes sense why so called journalists have NO credibility anymore. Thank goodness for FOX (ok, I couldn’t help that liberal tweak!).

felixw said:
Havingtodothis, your comments don’t surprise me. This use of the race card as an intimidation technique is so common among the left these days, that of course you are not troubled to see it actually written out and disseminated throughout the mainstream media. (But, it’s important to add, via a group, that conservative reporters were not allowed to join.)

So, sure you are fine with this. But sensible people who want news and not propaganda, and don’t think reporters should practice Mafia-like intimidation tactics have a different view. They understand that reporters that do this kind of stuff (e.g., every reporter on MSNBC) have no credibility, and are just political operatives masquerading as journalists.

This phenomenon is uniquely leftist?
This specific instance, yes. Fox News is full of Republican operatives. MSNBC is full of Democrats. Guess who reaches a wider audience and is thus inflicting a broader injustice?

I find it amazing how the Left always presumes that the Right is employing some nefarious strategy to scare white people at the expense of black Americans, but they don’t seem to see this strategy being used in reverse by the Left as a way to scare black people from white Americans.

So Glynnis, the NAACP’s 5 day Tea Party bashing soiree where they accused them of having racists within their ranks that they need to expel is not a strategy to scare black people and rally them against this grassroots conservative movement? Or go check out Chris Matthew’s where he refers to the people at the tea party rallies as a “mono-chromatic” crowd. That’s not to scare anybody right? He would never refer to the NAACP as a “mono-chromatic” crowd.

The charge of racism is now a weapon used by the left to diminish the credibility of those with whom they disagree and to characterize them as individuals not worthy of debate.

Liberal Fascists state that the intrinsic value of an idea is not in whether or not it is true, but more so in whether or not you can rally people behind a cause and achieve a desired outcome. If you can demonize conservatives as racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. then you don’t have to debate them on their ideas and you can scare any ethnic group into not only thinking that they are wrong, but that they are also evil.

Glynnis, I really think you should start writing more stories about how that Left employs this tactic to try to scare black people, but then again, what do I know, I’m just a tea-bagging, racist, sexist, homo-phobe who likes to eat children.

“First Hilary Shelton claimed he was “afraid to go” to a Tea Party event. Now he says he was at the Tea Party protest of ObamaCare on March 20th where he said Rep. John Lewis was “spit on”. Rep. John Lewis has never claimed he was spit on at any Tea Party protest.” ~Prison Planet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ucGNdK9xh8&feature=player_embedded

chachi1616 said:
I find it amazing how the Left always presumes that the Right is employing some nefarious strategy to scare white people at the expense of black Americans, but they don’t seem to see this strategy being used in reverse by the Left as a way to scare black people from white Americans..

Awesome comment, Chachi!

Remember this video?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/04/16/garofalo-tea-partiers-are-all-racists-who-hate-black-president

or this?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2010/02/15/olbermann-claims-racism-motivates-tea-party-activists

All because tea partiers were worried about out of control spending, the massive debt, and the impending taxes that will be needed to pay for it all. And the burden on future generations. They weren’t wrong, but they were called nasty, nasty names, on MSNBC, repeatedly.

MSNBC failed to mention that the signs they deemed racist were nothing different, if not more mild, then the ones we saw for 8 years under Bush, especially those comparing Obama to Hitler. This coming from the guy who called Bush a fascist multiple times. Asking “where are all the black faces?” as if black people are not there, or not invited. (meanwhile scaring black people from going – because of their racism smears.) This coming from a guy who is surrounded by all white people at msnbc.

This is not surprising, Roger Ailes is the Chairman of “Fox”!

Johnny M said:
Maddow is doing exactly what she claims Fox News and the Right are doing, just from the opposite Point of View. She is misconstruing the entire reasoning for each story to fit her ‘black vs white’ agenda. She and many members of the Left are the one that can only see stories in black and white.

Don’t disagree with you on that. I think Rachel took too myopic a view. Alas, the scare white people is certainly a tactic that is used. But it’s not the only one. Fear is a powerful manipulative tool. I still think how I supported the Iraq War back in 2003 because it was sold to me as something to fear. That Al Qaeda and Hussein were in co-hoots (they weren’t, if anything Hussein would’ve been our ally in fighting Al Qaeda if things were different) and the weapons of mass destruction fiasco (we seem to tend to forget those elements). Again, not racism, just out and out fear. Fox does do a good job of stirring up its base. An examination of classic brain washing and propoganda techniques could be used to show how the media and politicians use these concepts to control a society not willing to take risks and step outside to see if there is truly anything to fear.

Johnny MLets go story by story, which Maddow claims are only about race:

Van Jones: About a goverment appointed official, who signed a 9/11 truther document, had documented past activism activities, and supported the release of a police murderer.

Van Jones is a legitimate story. I don’t have enough info on it to be honest to give my assessment. But it seemed to be the right thing to investigate and certainly anyone who believes in the 9/11 truther movement should not have a position of power. But again, not too familiar with the story.

Johnny MACORN: A supposed bi-partisan publically funded organization, that was anything but – caught on tape showing people how to hide prostitution and avoid taxes. While also having several lawsuits for voter registration fraud.

I don’t get why people on the right still backs this story. The lawsuits were thrown out. The video was proven to be doctored. One of the people who told them how to smuggle immigrants into the country, reported it to the police after they left. (That’s a good American right there. Didn’t play hero, but did the right thing.) and they never dressed like pimps and prostitutes, and never showed the video that showed how one of the workers was working to get the prostitute out of prostitutiion. In other words, to rescue her. Now, not all of the stuff was solid that ACORN did, I admit that. But seems odd that an activist group that is trying to help the poor and the minorities would get such a harsh smear campaign to get rid of them. ACORN did little wrong. They had a few bad apples. And it is sad to see them go. It’s an example of zero investigation into the nature of the video and jumping the gun, which is frankly wrong (Yes, I’m looking at Congress on this one.) As a video editor, I can testify that video can be edited and manipulated.

Johnny MBlack Panthers: Organziation that is proud in its racism against whites… case of voter intimidation documented on tape thrown out before it even gets to court.

Dropping the case is certainly wrong. It should’ve been investigated as a criminal case. Oh, by the way, the Bush DOJ changed it from a criminal case to a civil case. Thus, they were not going to do any jail time if the case was pursued anyway by the DOJ. Now, if it is true that there is a “liberal playbook” that states pointedly not to go after blacks (and not just hearsay but actual playbook signed and approved by higher ups in the Obama administration) then yes, that is wrong as well.

Johnny MSherrod: A classic “gotcha” journalism effort by a conservative blogger against the NAACP, which last week was claiming the Tea Party was nothing but racists. Then, when it gets reversed on them – they overreact.

Okay, so the NAACP didn’t call the Tea Party nothing but racists. They came out and said they need to purge the racist elements from their ranks (specifically I feel they targeted Mark WIlliams, and the tea party got rid of him. Smart move on their part). So, if they implied that all Tea Partiers were racist, then the NAACP that the Tea Party should just go on and get rid of themselves (a logical fallacy). The NAACP is right on the issue of the Tea Party. There are some racist elements in there and some do have loud voices (too loud of voices). Now, this classic “gotcha” journalism move was to take doctored tape and preach it as gospel. The tape never mentions the reaction of the crowd. The issue of the reaction of the crowd seemed to appear after the Sherrod scandal started. The NAACP did overreact and did the one thing that most cons don’t seem to know how to do. Apologize. Has Rush or Glenn or any of those ever apologized for something they said? They can always be right (No one is). It’s funny how in the end despite doing the wrong thing, the NAACP took the high ground.

Johnny MThis stories are not in the media to make people fear African-Americans…they are out there to make people fear the Progressive Agenda. The more light that is shown on the agenda, the more the majority of people disagree with it which is why the Left fights so hard to paint it as a racist argument. Race makes everyone hazy so the Left can balance the playing field and try to re-shape the debate. But the more and more the Left cries Wolf in these cases, the less they are working to sway the national opinion.

Now let’s discuss stopping the progressive agenda. The progressive agenda got its start back with Teddy Roosevelt. Now, the idea of progressivism is to move society forward (it’s what progress means), and without it, we wouldn’t have the national parks, we wouldn’t have civil rights, and we wouldn’t have a lot of the luxuries that life now has to offer. That’s the amazing thing about progress. It’s good for us and evolution speaks volumes to its importance for a culture. Conservatism would’ve kept us as British Citizens. They were against revolution. In fact, most of the founding fathers could be seen as progressives. Now, progressivism has been made as a bad, scary word (conservative scare tactic) there’s no investigation into the agenda. Fear keeps people from looking deeper. I don’t fear this administration, so I’m okay with criticizing on its merits, and also praising its accomplishments. We can’t do that if we live in fear. The Cons know this, heck the Libs know it to. And I recommend coming out of your box (Lib and Con) and seeing this country for what it can be. Because no one (Con or Lib) is following in our founding fathers footsteps. And as Americans, we should all be disappointed.

Or check out his clip of MSNBC editing a video of a man at a tea party rally with a gun and then commenting about how it has racial overtones because here you have white people showing up with guns at rallies as a “man of color” sits in the White House.

Ahhh…the guy with the gun was black and MSNBC made sure to not show his face and to give the impression that he was white…Hey Glynnis, I’m new to this site, so maybe I missed it, but did you write a story about that? Did you comment on how MSNBC is playing the race card to scare black Americans into thinking that white Americans are now carrying guns to rallies because we now have a black President. I doubt you did because that goes against the narrative that you choose to believe.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/19/unreal-msnbc-edits-clip-of-man-with-gun-at-obama-rally-to-support-racism-narrative/

Chachi1616, as a newcomer, I will advise you not to hold your breath on Mediaite reporting on the utter hypocrisy of the left. You will only set yourself up for disappointment.

Van Jones and ACORN were not racial themes. Jones is a card carrying communist and ACORN tried to help someone who claimed he had underage girls he smuggled from El Salvador and was going to prostitute them out.

Permatiltx said:
Okay, so the NAACP didn’t call the Tea Party nothing but racists. They came out and said they need to purge the racist elements from their ranks (specifically I feel they targeted Mark WIlliams, and the tea party got rid of him. Smart move on their part).

Which, if I may clip from Colby’s rush transcript of Breitbart on Hannity, he apparently feels that purging the Tea Party ranks of racists and distancing themselves from the more radical elements would unnecessarily take valuable time from the group’s political efforts.

There’s no evidence that the Tea Party is any more racist than other Republicans and indeed many other Americans. But getting them to spend their time purging the ranks and having candidates distance themselves should help the Democrats (in) November…

sarainitaly said:
When Megyn Kelly got the scoop on the Black Panther case, she had the exclusive. She was reporting her *exclusive* and felt that was a real story (which it is). What Powers and Weigel did was despicable. They accused her of racism for covering a breaking story, in which she had the scoop. She should walk away from a story like that because the perps were black?

I got a scoop when I was picking up Thursday morning bagels for the office today. There were a dozen or so cops (about four times the membership of the NBPP) talking about a speed trap they were going to set up on RM 2222 as it goes under MoPac Expressway. My scoop is far more significant and far more credible.

But, thanks for nothing. Again.

FOX NETWORK: TRUTH TAKES A HOLIDAY!

MichelleF said:
Chachi1616, as a newcomer, I will advise you not to hold your breath on Mediaite reporting on the utter hypocrisy of the left. You will only set yourself up for disappointment.

Yet Michelle in Utah hangs out here like an alcoholic at a cheap tavern.

FOX NETWORK: TRUTH TAKES A HOLIDAY!

@chachi1616: I’ve refrained from commenting on the MSNBC selective video meme because they clearly made a mistake, but I am going to point out that there were at least a dozen armed people at the Phoenix rally, the African-American just had the biggest and most photogenic gun and it was less than a week after the first armed guy, a Ron Paul supporter protested outside of an Obama appearance in New Hampshire.

And sometime later, I’d have to check the dates, but I’d say less than a month for sure… there was a “Bring Your Gun to a Tea Party” rally in New Mexico, which attracted hundreds.

So, yes, MSNBC messed-up by using a cropped picture to roll under one report, but though it may overshadow, it doesn’t contradict the topic that was being discussed.

Permatiltx said:
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I don’t agree with everything you said, but God bless you for civilly disagreeing and pointing out parts of agreement between us rather than some of the nonsense you see regularly in the comments section on this site.

Liberal/Progressive has a negative connotation just as the Left has done so to the word “Republicans”. Its why the Left prefers “Democrats” and the Right prefers “Conservatives”. And I am moderate enough to admit that some parts of a progressive agenda are justified. But I havent seen much from this admin that has made me like what they are trying to do: Spending money we dont have, bailouts, health care reform that doesnt fix the problem, eventually raising taxes (it will have to happen to pay for things soon enough), creating an energy plan based on taxing what we currently need, suing States, ineptitude in handling foreign affairs, etc… Not sure what there is too be excited about. Rather than doing what is necessary, they are playing to people’s emotions (race card with immigration/Tea Party disagreements, empathy for unemployed). I am not saying not to give the unemployed benefits, but they played the whole thing on emotion rather than finding a way to budget for it. So now we dig ourselves deeper in debt. Social progression is good…the progression of increased government/spending/racial division is bad.

MichelleF said:
Haha, funny Ghome. That’s one of my favorite Rox quotes too.

BTW, I think Yweston took off so she wouldn’t have to answer why she’s siting bogus Gallup polls.

You are adorable! I love that you used the word “siting.” I assume you were looking for the word “citing.” Too cute! And here is an answer to your little question: you are siting (sic) HOT AIR! You know, a web-cite (sic) that panders to tea-baggers. You are too cute! And you probably should be getting back to work. 40-50 hours per week… look out!

FOX NETWORK: WE REPORT, WE DECIDE!

You are adorable!

Thanks, I get that alot!

This is why I love Rachel Maddow!!!!!!!!!

Rachel, are you going to be with “your own” tonight?

Magister said:
So, yes, MSNBC messed-up by using a cropped picture to roll under one report, but though it may overshadow, it doesn’t contradict the topic that was being discussed.

When the topic is white people going to rallies with guns, and the image they use is of a black guy with a gun, and they crop his head off, it does pretty much contradict the topic that was being discussed.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/19/unreal-msnbc-edits-clip-of-man-with-gun-at-obama-rally-to-support-racism-narrative/

MichelleF said:
I’m thinking Rachel is part of this group”

Liberal journalists suggest government shut down Fox News

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/#ixzz0uQ1nAt00

I read this quote in another article and thought of you:

The Alinskyites have done a swell job of infiltrating and radicalizing the media as a weapon and propaganda tool to subvert the truth, obstruct an open debate, and destroy anyone who dares to show them for what they are; and the false allegation of racism is just one of their many weapons of subversion. But while the Old Media sweeps these examples of genuine racism under the rug, you will hear the truth from bloggers and independent journalists all over the World Wide Web. Thank Gore God for the Internet! And many lauds to Tucker Carlson and Andrew Breitbart!

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/rules-for-racists/2/#ixzz0uQ1OP6gF

Part of Right wing paranoia martyrdom. Don’t worry you’ll always have your preachers on Fox and the radio.

sarainitaly writes:

“All because tea partiers were worried about out of control spending, the massive debt, and the impending taxes that will be needed to pay for it all. And the burden on future generations. They weren’t wrong, but they were called nasty, nasty names, on MSNBC, repeatedly.”

Then, by YOUR argument, the Tea Party should’ve been most pronounced all through the Bush Administration, when a budget SURPLUS was turned into a DEFICIT, and TRILLIONS of dollars were borrowed to fight two wars and Medicare Subscription Drug package.

Where was the Tea Party then, Sara?

Where were YOU?

Permatrix writes:

“Now, if it is true that there is a “liberal playbook” that states pointedly not to go after blacks (and not just hearsay but actual playbook signed and approved by higher ups in the Obama administration) then yes, that is wrong as well.”

Here’s the problem with that statement. In our Frank Luntz/Karl Rove bizzarro America that we live in, the REALITY is that the BUSH DOJ pointedly did not pursue cases where NON-WHITES were the VICTIMS of discrimination.

“From 2001 to 2006, no voting discrimination cases were brought on behalf of African American or Native American voters. U.S. attorneys were told instead to give priority to voter fraud cases, which, when coupled with the strong support for voter ID laws, indicated an intent to depress voter turnout in minority and poor communities.

This pattern also extended to hiring. In March 2006, Bradley Schlozman was appointed interim U.S. attorney in Kansas City, Mo. Two weeks earlier, the administration was granted the authority to make such indefinite appointments without Senate confirmation. That was too bad: A Senate hearing might have uncovered Schlozman’s central role in politicizing the civil rights division during his three-year tenure.”

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/mar/29/opinion/oe-rich29

But you’d NEVER hear that from Megyn Kelly or Fox News, which has crafted programming to make the incurious, or ill-read viewer believe that Whites are being frightened from every polling place by angry Black militants wearing funny hats.

–Cobra

MichelleF said:
And so a debate ensued. Time’s Scherer, who had seemed to express support for increased regulation of Fox, suddenly appeared to have qualms: “Do you really want the political parties/white house picking which media operations are news operations and which are a less respectable hybrid of news and political advocacy?”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/21/liberal-journalists-suggest-government-shut-down-fox-news/2/#ixzz0uQ2xWm4S

Who cares what the Daily Caller surmises?

Permatiltx said:
Alas, the scare white people is certainly a tactic that is used.

Yes, barry used it quite well during the campaign when he warned that they will tell ya I don’t look like the other guy son the dollar bill, he’s got a funny name, etc.

Pure RC play by Barry.

betweentwoevils said:
Who cares what the Daily Caller surmises?

Informed and intelligent people which excludes YOU!

The qualifications of being an effective blog poster: tact, wit, and intelligence. You, Notsofast have all but three.

@sarainitaly: The poor choice of b-roll certainly detracted from the discussion, but out of the couple of hundred armed Tea Party protesters that I noted in my comment, one guy was black and unfortunately because he had the biggest gun, his was the image MSNBC used.

Azarkhan said:
“In a fairly devastating segment” Fairly predictable is more accurate.

So, devastation is predictable?

notsofast said:
Rachel, are you going to be with “your own” tonight?

I’m sure she’s always hanging around informed and intelligent people every night.

betweentwoevils said:
The qualifications of being an effective blog poster: tact, wit, and intelligence. You, Notsofast have all but three.

Your village is missing its idiot: YOU!

torgman said:
I’m sure she’s always hanging around informed and intelligent people every night.

So she doesn’t hang out with you, eh.

Hey Havingtodothis:

(1) Your defense that other journalists publish lies, so it is okay for your favorite journalists to publish their own lies is the kind of argument a five-year-old comes up with. Let me say this slowly and clearly: journalists should not deliberately publish smears and lies in an attempt to intimidate those who disagree with them even if some other “journalist” has done so.

(2) As to your specific accusations against Fox, please show me the link to the memo or email in which a Fox reporter told his colleagues to find a liberal pundit’s face “and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear.” I seemed to have missed that particular item.

Cobra said:
Then, by YOUR argument, the Tea Party should’ve been most pronounced all through the Bush Administration, when a budget SURPLUS was turned into a DEFICIT, and TRILLIONS of dollars were borrowed to fight two wars and Medicare Subscription Drug package.

Where was the Tea Party then, Sara?

Where were YOU?

The tea parties started in 2007, by Ron Paul supporters.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/12/ron_pauls_tea_p.html

Most people were feeling very uncomfortable for years. It was the Bush TARP that really got the tea parties going, and beyond just Raul supporters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlHPg7y3Yjg

“There’s no denying that people are angrier at the Republican Party than they are the Democrat Party because this spending started back with Bush.” When The View co-host Whoopi Goldberg asked if the Tea Party Movement originated because of a dislike of President Obama, the director denied that, asserting, “This is not about President Obama. President Obama and President Bush have one common thread, and that is Congress”, referring to the out of control spending by the federal government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngzyXKakHug

Where was I? I’ve been bitching since Bush came into office and gave everyone $300 back. I bitched all through the build up to Iraq, and all through the spending. I’ve been bitching about the bailouts. I didn’t like Bush, and didn’t vote for him. That’s what makes it so hysterical to me that now when I complain about the President’s spending, I’m all of a sudden racist. Even thought I was *loved* when I bitched about Bush.

I was also there watching and listening to ALL the hateful language spewed at Republicans. And I was there listening to all the hate lobbed at Clinton for her vote on the Iraq resolution from Obama supporters. I find it hysterical that those who stood in front of me, spewing their hate for Bush, now despise me for criticizing Obama. Even those that loved it when I criticized Bush.

That’s where I was.

Magister said:
@sarainitaly: The poor choice of b-roll certainly detracted from the discussion, but out of the couple of hundred armed Tea Party protesters that I noted in my comment, one guy was black and unfortunately because he had the biggest gun, his was the image MSNBC used.

and their intentional editing of the video to hide the fact that he was black? they didn’t just mistakenly grab the biggest gun, and oops, the guy was black. They cropped it down to hide his face. The original video is on the internet. how do you know all the other gun carriers were white?

A couple of hundred? He was at the rally where there were a handful, no?

When Al Sharpton stirred up hatred in the Freddy’s Fashion Mart incident that resulted in people getting killed, why didn’t the MSM say that Sharpton was ‘scaring’ black people? When Sharpton stirred up hatred in the Tawana Brawley hoax that ended up with people getting killed, why didn’t the MSM say Sharpton was ‘scaring’ black people? Has Rachel ever commented on this? Think she ever will?

valkyrie101 said:
Scaring people is what the conservatives tried to do when they were opposing woman’s sufferage, when they were opposing regulating unsafe work conditions, child labor, anti-trust laws, and virtually all other forms of progress. It is a last refuge in opposition to common decency.

Uh, Valkyrie, I hate to break the bad news….but the Republicans were the party that gave women the vote, and the Democrats fought tooth-and-nail against it. Women got the vote only after Republicans took control of the Congress in 1919 — the Democrats had blocked it on four separate occasions.

And also, it was Republicans who gave us antitrust laws. The Sherman antitrust law was named after Republican senator Sherman, and really got teeth when it was vigorously enforced by Republican president Teddy Roosevelt.

Hey, but why let a little thing like facts stand in your way?

Cobra said:
Then, by YOUR argument, the Tea Party should’ve been most pronounced all through the Bush Administration, when a budget SURPLUS was turned into a DEFICIT, and TRILLIONS of dollars were borrowed to fight two wars and Medicare Subscription Drug package.

The Tea Party did start up during the Bush Administration however that Tea Party was a Libertarian movement.
The Tea Party of today (Tea Baggers) are the result of Conservative organizations like FOX News and others grabbing hold of the Tea Party name and twisting the movement/message to suit their narrative.

sarainitaly writes:

“The tea parties started in 2007, by Ron Paul supporters.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politicalintelligence/2007/12/ron_pauls_tea_p.html

Most people were feeling very uncomfortable for years. It was the Bush TARP that really got the tea parties going, and beyond just Raul supporters.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlHPg7y3Yjg“

The Tea Party was NOT “most pronounced” in 2007.
Fox News was NOT constantly airing, promoting and advocating Tea Party rallies in 2007.
Ron Paul and his supporters were considered PARIAHS by the same conservative media you applaud here day in and day out.

Stop the dishonesty.

Felixw writes:

“Uh, Valkyrie, I hate to break the bad news….but the Republicans were the party that gave women the vote, and the Democrats fought tooth-and-nail against it. Women got the vote only after Republicans took control of the Congress in 1919 — the Democrats had blocked it on four separate occasions.”

Do you believe that “conservative” and “Republican” means the same thing?
If not, what possible meaning could your statement have?

–Cobra

Cobra, you don’t think that Teddy Roosevelt was a conservative President? Or do you simply twist words around to mean what you want them to mean on any given day.

In terms of defending actually equality under the law, the Republicans have been very consistent over the years. The Democrats have been equally consistent in defending inequality — from 1865 to 1965, when Democrats wanted whites to get favorable treatment over blacks, and then since 1965 when they decided blacks should get favorable treatment over whites. In both instances, the Democrats took the lead, and the Republicans have been stuck with their old-fashioned idea that all people should be treated the same, regardless of skin color.

Back to Ms. Maddow, does she not present her arguments very profoundly.

FOX NEWS: WE TRY TO TURN BACK THE CLOCK TO THE 1920′S

@sarainitaly: The “couple of hundred” includes the “Bring Your Gun” rally in New Mexico. It was just a straight-out armed Tea Party rally, as I’m sure there may have been others around the country, but because I had the embedded clip, I could quickly reference it.

As for the event in Arizona, where the guy with the big gun was gathered with others (including about a dozen armed), I saw a couple of interviews during the course of the day and I read about it in the Phoenix paper. I don’t know that all of the other gun-toters were white, but based on the demographics, those whom I saw interviewed and the fact that this fellow was singled out due to the size of his gun and the fact that he was black makes me think that all of the others were white

Otherwise on the general topic of guns… In response to something writer had commented which caused me to think that he thought this one African-American protester was the only armed person at a Presidential event, I tossed together a couple of links and put them in back-to-back comments, which are available here.

And on the unfortunate (yes, it was clearly a mistake) use of the b-roll, it was similar to the stock footage of fat people shown from the waist down that rolls under every obesity report. By not showing the faces, it doesn’t single anyone out or embarrasses anyone. In Phoenix, the black guy had a big gun and that’s why there was footage available; it’s why he shows up in a photo in one of those links that I offered to writer and why everybody was trying to get an interview with him, but if memory serves, he only did one for the radio and it may have been with J.D. Hayworth.

Hey lefties, how does it feel to be beat in the head with your own weapons, eh? Don’t frown, you’ll be seeing all of the tactics that you used on President Bush used on you, so you’ll have the familiarity thing going for you anyway…

felixw said:
Cobra, you don’t think that Teddy Roosevelt was a conservative President? Or do you simply twist words around to mean what you want them to mean on any given day.

In terms of defending actually equality under the law, the Republicans have been very consistent over the years. The Democrats have been equally consistent in defending inequality — from 1865 to 1965, when Democrats wanted whites to get favorable treatment over blacks, and then since 1965 when they decided blacks should get favorable treatment over whites. In both instances, the Democrats took the lead, and the Republicans have been stuck with their old-fashioned idea that all people should be treated the same, regardless of skin color.

felixw, political parties hold the values of their members not of a specific ideology. Republicans of recent history are not Republicans of the past. The party as a whole has shifted ideologies from social liberal values to social conservative values.

Cobra said:
The Tea Party was NOT “most pronounced” in 2007.
Fox News was NOT constantly airing, promoting and advocating Tea Party rallies in 2007.

where did i say they were?

Magister said:
And on the unfortunate (yes, it was clearly a mistake) use of the b-roll, it was similar to the stock footage of fat people shown from the waist down that rolls under every obesity report. By not showing the faces, it doesn’t single anyone out or embarrasses anyone.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/busted-msnbc-caught-dishonestly-editing-town-hall-gun-footage/

“There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of sloppy work. While a talking heads segment might not seem like the fulcrum upon which journalism rests, this is exactly the kind of manipulation that destroys the credibility of all journalists.”

What about the intimidation of latino voters in 2006? Was that published?

So RL is saying we should only talk about voter intimidation if it’s whites doing the intimidating. The old two wrongs make a right position.

Magister said:
So, yes, MSNBC messed-up by using a cropped picture to roll under one report, but though it may overshadow, it doesn’t contradict the topic that was being discussed.

—————–
You say it doesn’t contradict the topic being discussed, which implies that you agree with the sentiment that now since there is a “man of color” (as they stated) as President that whites have the potential to become more violent as evidenced by how many are attending these Tea Party rallies with their guns. Now let me ask you this. Have you ever considered the fact that since the main impetus for the Tea Party movement is to combat the growing size of gov’t, that maybe the display of guns at these rallies is a metaphor for individual freedom? Why would you assume the worst in people and jump to the racism card? Especially when you seem so willing to give MSNBC the benefit of the doubt by saying “they clearly made a mistake” with the cropping out of the black man’s face in the video. Why do you not assume that MSNBC has an agenda and this wasn’t a mistake but a deliberate attempt to paint the Tea Party as a racist organization?

PS. On a side note, Contessa Brewer, the anchor at MSNBC who was trying to paint the Tea Party as racist said the following in an interview with a liberal radio talk show host regarding the Times Square bomber, “…There are a lot of people who want to use terrorist intent to justify writing off people who believe in a certain way or come from certain countries or whose skin color is a certain way. I mean they use it as justification for really outdated bigotry.”

She should listen to her own advice before she tries to write off people whose skin color is a certain way.

writer said:
So RL is saying we should only talk about voter intimidation if it’s whites doing the intimidating. The old two wrongs make a right position.

Nice twisting of words, Righter. No, I’m saying if you’re going to talk about it don’t only talk about it when its convenient for your side!
And YOU’RE accusing ME of that logic? That’s laughable.

sarainitaly said:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/busted-msnbc-caught-dishonestly-editing-town-hall-gun-footage/

“There is absolutely no excuse for this kind of sloppy work. While a talking heads segment might not seem like the fulcrum upon which journalism rests, this is exactly the kind of manipulation that destroys the credibility of all journalists.”

Like when Jon stewart caught Sean Hannity editing footage together of Glenn beck’s rally and a much smaller tea party rally? It goes both ways, my friend. No excuse for that sloppy work either.

sarainitaly said:
Cobra said:
The Tea Party was NOT “most pronounced” in 2007.
Fox News was NOT constantly airing, promoting and advocating Tea Party rallies in 2007.

Where are all the anti-war protesters now, Cobra?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/harmon-leon/saturdays-obamas-anti-war_b_505432.html

RL, where was all of this coverage of the black panther intimidation story? Only on Fox. So wasn’t the rest of the media not talking about it an example of “being convenient for your side”? No matter who is doing the intimidating, the story should be covered. If whites were intimidating people and it wasn’t covered, that’s wrong. But it’s also wrong not to cover it if blacks are doing the intimidating, and the MSM didn’t cover it.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Like when Jon stewart caught Sean Hannity editing footage together of Glenn beck’s rally and a much smaller tea party rally? It goes both ways, my friend. No excuse for that sloppy work either.

That quote was from Tommy, btw.

Yes, it goes both ways. When the HELLO will you people admit IT!?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8HeJuBcI3Y

All we hear from the left is faux fox, faux fox, fox lies, fox lies. Look in the mirror MSNBC!

@Sarainitaly: Now you have both Tommy and my opinion, neither of which will buy a cup of coffee.

sarainitaly:

My statement to you:

“Then, by YOUR argument, the Tea Party should’ve been most pronounced all through the Bush Administration, when a budget SURPLUS was turned into a DEFICIT, and TRILLIONS of dollars were borrowed to fight two wars and Medicare Subscription Drug package.”

Your response was to offer up Ron Paul and his cult following in 2007. Your response was lacking.

sarainitaly writes:

“where did i say they were?”

Then you would agree that the Tea Party movement is selective in its outrage and overwhelmingly motivated as an anti-Obama manifestation?

felixw writes:

“Cobra, you don’t think that Teddy Roosevelt was a conservative President? Or do you simply twist words around to mean what you want them to mean on any given day.”

YOU, felixw, and your fellow right wingers would ATTACK Teddy Roosevelt if he was around today because he favored National Healthcare, National Parks (enivornmentalist) and the breaking up of trusts, monopolies and corporate overreach.
More than likely, he would be labeled a “RINO”.

I still haven’t seen any of my conservative friends respond to the FACTS about the BUSH DOJ in regards to:

““From 2001 to 2006, no voting discrimination cases were brought on behalf of African American or Native American voters. U.S. attorneys were told instead to give priority to voter fraud cases, which, when coupled with the strong support for voter ID laws, indicated an intent to depress voter turnout in minority and poor communities.”

…when they’re screaming bloody murder about a black guy in a funny hat with a stick in front of an urban voting poll.

–Cobra

Where are all the anti-war protesters now, Cobra?

Sara, that my friend is an excellant point!

oh, come on. opinions are worth something! :O)

The point was, however, to show the side by side footage that was indeed edited by msnbc, to crop out the black guys head.

yweston said:
Because I work and have for 46 years this September.

If you have been working for “46″ years , and if I generously stipulate that you began working at 14, wouldn’t you look more like Shirley Sherrod, than your avatar ?

@chachi1616: You said you were new around here, so I understand why you may not know that back when the Tea Party was still considered a single entity, I was one of the few who kept pointing out that it was a far-flung, loose coalition of groups, several of which have some overlapping agendas.

IOW: I don’t hate or dismiss the Tea Party. I don’t agree with some of that which some members believe, but because there’s no loyalty oath, I don’t know that all the “chapters” agree with the same things I do and I know that I don’t agree with every little group. (If the Tea Party had taken my advice and sought out some Perot vets, they might have remained a force, but because they’re completely disorganized and have been falling apart lately, their importance have become less)

And though we could go off on a whole discussion about Tea Party politics and the topics raised in your comment, I really don’t feel like doing it at this time. I hope you understand and if you’re interested, you can do a site search via Google to find some of my previous words, but I didn’t mean to imply that I necessarily agreed with whatever conclusion Contessa, Dylan and unknown fellow reached. I was just defending the mistake.

notsofast said:
Yes, barry used it quite well during the campaign when he warned that they will tell ya I don’t look like the other guy son the dollar bill, he’s got a funny name, etc.

Pure RC play by Barry.

Wait, he’s saying that he was saying what they’ll come after him with (and they did do the name thing) but did he say this in a speech. I know you hate supplying links but I’m curious if he said this in private or out in the open. And did John McCain said “Well, there gonna come after me about my age.” (He might not have said it but he could of, seems possible) would that mean he played the age card. Just confused is all.

Cobra said:
Then you would agree that the Tea Party movement is selective in its outrage and overwhelmingly motivated as an anti-Obama manifestation?

nope. didn’t say that either and I didn’t say they were most pronounced during Bush. It took years of debt and spending and dropping poll numbers on the Iraq war and bailouts to get some people to finally rise up.

MichelleF said:
Where are all the anti-war protesters now, Cobra?

Sara, that my friend is an excellant point!

Actually quite active. Rachel Maddow (you know, the liberal shill for Obama) is opposed to the war and has done commentaries on speaking out against it. Also, check out that Newsweek article which brings up a lot of info on anti war protesters. Just have to look is all.

Magister said:
but because there’s no loyalty oath, I don’t know that all the “chapters” agree with the same things I do and I know that I don’t agree with every little group.

which is why i never joined, either. i totally support their efforts, and the fact that they are getting involved, and that they are trying to *throw the bums out” but I am not hitching my wagon to any group, ever again.

sarainitaly said:
The point was, however, to show the side by side footage that was indeed edited by msnbc, to crop out the black guys head.

Yes. They cropped out the head, much like they do fat people and children. Tommy’s screencap of the CNN video shows the whole fellow and he appears in a CNN photo that I linked from my response to writer. I can’t actually recall right now, which network I used for the live coverage, but there were lots of people trying to get a mic in his face for a comment, so he was all over the television that day.

PS) If you go back to the links that I offered writer, the MSNBC video of the guy standing in the New Hampshire churchyard also spent a lot of time lingering over the gun and showing his sign. There are a few shots of his face and he’s fullscreen for his interview with Chris Matthews, but most of the live shot was of his gun.

So when Rachel disagrees with Obama over the war in Afghanistan, does Olbermann label her a racist? Keith’s said that when anyone disagrees with Obama, it’s only because they fear having a black man in the White House.

Permatiltx said:
Also, check out that Newsweek article which brings up a lot of info on anti war protesters. Just have to look is all.

well, I found one….

Peace Out
Bush’s Iraq surge drew howls of fury from the left. Now that Obama wants the same for Afghanistan, where’s the peace movement?

Notably absent are the sort of theatrical protesters who routinely disrupted Bush-era congressional hearings on Iraq. (At one 2007 hearing, a member of the infamous antiwar outfit Codepink lunged at Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice with fake-blood-covered hands.) By comparison, when it comes to Afghanistan, the antiwar left has been remarkably docile. There are no mass demonstrations in the streets, no vigils outside the White House, no shrieking activists haranguing startled members of Congress in Capitol Hill hallways.

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/09/16/peace-out.html

sarainitaly said:
well, I found one….

Peace Out
Bush’s Iraq surge drew howls of fury from the left. Now that Obama wants the same for Afghanistan, where’s the peace movement?

http://www.newsweek.com/2009/09/16/peace-out.html

What about this:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=121290&sectionid=3510203

Heck, even FNC,

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/30/anti-war-left-protests-obamas-afghanistan-war-strategy/

Also,

http://axisoflogic.com/artman/publish/Article_57689.shtml

Then, there’s the rest of the article that tries to explain the reason (easy to ignore, it was towards the bottom, though again, I’ve seen protests, and they are in Washington. They may not be all left though, and therefore, yes, you have a solid argument there in that the protesters may not be the left. But then again, are the right protesting?)

1. The first is the most obvious: The partisan factor. Liberals certainly don’t like seeing more Americans march off to battle. But when it comes to Obama, the old saying seems to prevail on the left: “He may be an SOB, but he’s our SOB.” Antiwar demonstrators were eager to shame and embarrass Bush, but many liberals would rather apply behind-the-scenes pressure on Obama. With the president fighting to pass health-care reform, stop global warming, and reform the financial system, few on the left want to make inadvertent common cause with the likes of Glenn Beck in eroding the president’s political capital.
2. Then there’s what you might call the “good war” dilemma. During the 2008 campaign Democrats argued in near unison that Afghanistan was a worthy conflict, in contrast to an illegitimate and immoral fight in Iraq. Whereas the left saw Iraq as the product of Bush’s sinister deceptions, the Afghanistan campaign has long enjoyed broad legitimacy thanks to that country’s direct link to the September 11 attacks. When Bush cited 9/11 and Al Qaeda to justify fighting on in Iraq, the left simply got more angry. This time, the argument actually works. One case in point: liberals who opposed the Iraq War were emboldened by the support they drew from military veterans who hated the war. Today, the liberal veterans group VoteVets.org is quiet on Afghanistan, saying it acknowledges the strategic importance of defeating the Taliban.
3. To a distant American viewer, Afghanistan simply doesn’t inspire the visceral horror of Iraq in its most violent days. Western viewers have largely been spared ghoulish videos of beheadings and charred bodies. Spectacular car bombings, which make for gripping television footage, are far less common in Kabul than they were in Baghdad, and there are fewer reporters there to cover them. In the Taliban, America is fighting a relatively defined enemy, and we don’t feel caught in the middle of an uncontrollable civil war as we did in Iraq. Moreover, civilian deaths in Afghanistan, while troublingly high—they reached a peak of 261 in May—are dramatically lower than they were in Iraq in 2006, when there were 3,159 in July alone. And while U.S. casualties have risen to tragic new levels (77 dead in August), that figure peaked at 131 in Iraq in May 2007.
4. Finally, there’s the fact that, to those who listened carefully, Obama did, after all, warn Americans that a hard road lay ahead in Afghanistan—and that he was determined to follow it. Some people may not have absorbed the implication of Obama’s view that Afghanistan is “the central front in the war on terror,” or his vow that he would quickly send more troops to the country. But it was clear where Obama stood then, and thus difficult for liberals to scream betrayal now.

Permatiltx, Johnny M, and Magister, you should be given awards for your hateless, thoughtful comments. They are rare on this site anymore.

I will even say, that even though I disagree with Sarainitaly on most things, I think she’s brought thought into this and has been respectful herself. Kudos to you all.

Cobra, I think I understand your position. Republicans are bad. Except when they are good. And then they really must be considered as Democrats. On the other hand Democrats are good. Except when they are bad. And they need to be considered as Republicans.

I will try to remember that.

haha,
fox viewers…limp passengers along a teabag ride of hate filled made-up stories.

This just another left-wing attempt to stop any reporting that would indicate black racism. Everyone should just shut up and let blacks do anything because we owe it to them.

Ninety percent of the people on Earth are decendant from slaves. What color were the slaves in Rome? What color were the Jewish slaves in Egypt? What color were the serfs in the British Empire? What color are the slaves in China?

Did you know there were BLACK slave owners in New Orleans before the Civil War?
Do liberals know anything?

of course fox is not racist, as a whole, but my guess is that a lot of racist get their fair and balanced (haha) information from fox. and what better way to plant the scare seed in their mind is to lead them to think that african-americans are coming after them.
i’m glad they failed in trying to scare people with a handful of new black panthers and now when they try to show that a black federal worker is racist they fail at that also.
of course fox viewers will fall for the next scam, but i pray to god no one else does

felixw writes:

“Cobra, I think I understand your position. Republicans are bad. Except when they are good. And then they really must be considered as Democrats. On the other hand Democrats are good. Except when they are bad. And they need to be considered as Republicans.

I will try to remember that.”

felixw,

With all due respect… I want to be genuine with you. This isn’t just about PARTY. Not EVERY Republican that ever lived has been “conservative” (by your definition) and not EVERY Democrat is a “liberal” (by your definition). Most politicians in EITHER party fall somewhere in the middle of the political spectrum, and support policies or platforms. That’s why Clinton can sign Welfare Reform, Nixon can sign Affirmative Action, Reagan can sign Amnesty for Illegal Aliens and Obama can surge troops in Afghanistan.

gordonbloyershow writes:

“What color were the slaves in Rome? “

Many colors. They had an EMPIRE, remember?

“What color were the Jewish slaves in Egypt? “

Debatable. They were probably the same color as folks who were indigenous to the region, which means they probably looked more like Cheech Marin than Chuck Heston.

“Did you know there were BLACK slave owners in New Orleans before the Civil War?”

And??? There were Blacks who fought for the Confederacy. There were Blacks who helped track down fugitive slaves. There are Blacks who work for Fox News Today.

I have contempt for all of them, too.

–Cobra

Cobra, I will try to be genuine with you as well.

When the Left decides that it will build its media agenda around charges of racism, it undermines its own credibility as a source of plausible policy options. But when these smears go to the point of trying to rewrite history, and distort who supported giving women the right to vote, who advocated antitrust laws, who tried to prevent passage of early Civil Rights legislation, etc., you will see me call folks on these distortions.

So I am not going to sit by and let you play a game in which the Left gets to decide which parts of the Republican party’s history are really Republican. The Republicans were advocates of woman’s suffrage before the Democrats. The Republicans were advocates of granting equal rights to African-Americans before the Democrats. The Republicans were behind antitrust laws before the Democrats. If you don’t like those historical facts, there is nothing I can do about it.

felixw writes:

“When the Left decides that it will build its media agenda around charges of racism, it undermines its own credibility as a source of plausible policy options. But when these smears go to the point of trying to rewrite history, and distort who supported giving women the right to vote, who advocated antitrust laws, who tried to prevent passage of early Civil Rights legislation, etc., you will see me call folks on these distortions.”

You aren’t following this closely enough and your analysis is suffering.

Sure there were Republicans who ONCE supported suffrage. There were also Republicans who were against it, and are against equal pay for equal work TODAY.

Sure there were Republicans who ONCE advocated antitrust laws. There were also Republicans who were against it, and are deregulation hawks totally in the tank for multinational corporations TODAY.

Sure there were Republicans who JOINED with Democrats to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Voting Rights Act of 1965 and Fair Housing Act of 1966. There were also Republicans, like Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush and Barry Goldwater who were AGAINST the CRA, and there are folks like Tom Tancredo who want to bring back literacy tests TODAY.

It’s not that simple to just pigeon-hole folks based upon PARTY alone.

—Cobra

Cobra, you can’t have it both ways. When I am responding to sweeping generalizations about conservatives, I point out that the Republicans were behind woman’s suffrage and antitrust laws. And then you demand nuance, subtlety, and no generalizations about parties. Well, why don’t you and your other friends on the Left practice what you preach? You are full of generalizations about Republicans and conservatives, and totally unsubstantiated ones — including constant playing of the race card and every other smear in the book. Whereas my remarks on woman’s suffrage and antitrust laws are hard facts backed up by the history books.

So pick which view you really believe. Either you make generalizations about party or you don’t. But don’t switch every hour based on what ideological point you want to make on any given day. Meanwhile my points stand: The Republicans were behind woman’s suffrage before the Democrats. The Republicans were in favor of equal rights for African-American before the Democrats. The Republicans supported antitrust legislation before the Democrats. Those aren’t opinions, just the facts.

My listening to FoxNews, especially Megyn Kelly, has never given me the opinion that she is trying to tell me that we should be afraid of the Black people. She most certainly is NOT a racist. Now I cannot say that about many people on other news outlets. However, you should be very careful what you say about anyone on Fox news, because they tell the side of every story that YOU only tell what the radical left wants told. Are you afraid you may get fired. OH glory be, I wish you would. Why does Maddow and all others on ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and HLN think there is nothing done that the citizens wouldn’t like to hear about? With all that is going on in the Democratic party that is NOT right, why don’t they tell those things?

felixw writes:

“Cobra, you can’t have it both ways. When I am responding to sweeping generalizations about conservatives, I point out that the Republicans were behind woman’s suffrage and antitrust laws.”

AGAIN, you’re equating “Republican” with ‘conservative”, and although you may wish it so, that’s NOT the definition of either. The Southern Democrats who opposed Civil Rights (Dixiecrats) were NOT “Liberals.” They were CONSERVATIVES, and were the bedrock of the GOP when they switched parties after the CRA of 1964 passed.

There are any HOST of “Moderate” Republicans in today’s arena, from Scott Brown to Arnold Scwartzeneggar to Tom Kean to Arlen Spector. Rudy Giuliani is considered a “liberal” Republican based on his social views.

And what point are you really trying to get across? That I would’ve supported Stephen Douglas over Lincoln in 1860 because of Party Affiliation?

Dandee writes:

“My listening to FoxNews, especially Megyn Kelly, has never given me the opinion that she is trying to tell me that we should be afraid of the Black people. She most certainly is NOT a racist. “

How the hell do you know what Megyn Kelly is or isn’t? What–because you see her read a prepared script on television, you know what’s in her mind and heart? I know what I seen on Fox News for YEARS…an ENDLESS LOOP of attacks on minorities, particularly African-Americans. Now, does that attract an audience?
Lynchings certainly did back in the day, right?

There is a difference between covering a story and BECOMING the story.
There is a difference between a 30 second synapsis and repeating the same video 48 times a cycle.
There is a difference between including a story in a news rundown, and making that story the most IMPORTANT STORY ON THE PLANET, despite two wars and an oil disaster in the gulf.

When this has been REPEATEDLY done by Fox News, whether it be Reverend Wright, Duke Lacrosse, ACORN, Van Jones, New Black Panther Party, Shirley Sherrod or the “fist-bump” shared by the Obamas (remember the Fox News–”terrorist fist-jab” incident?) to the objective observer, it ceases being “news” and becomes a digitized D.W. Griffith “Birth of a Nation” remake.

–Cobra

Cobra, you toss out generalizations about Republicans and conservatives on a regular basis here. This has nothing to do with my points, which were historical facts. Namely, Republicans supported equal rights for African-Americans before the Democrats. Republicans supported the vote for women before Democrats. And Republicans supported antitrust laws before the Democrats.

All your word games don’t change these facts. You can continue to spin and contradict yourself — and your view on whether you can make generalizations about parties seems to change all the time — but I am not making generalizations i am simply reporting the real historical facts. And I reported those facts in response to the generalizations tossed around by leftists on this board. So if you want to stop people from making generalizations about political parties, you should get together with the other leftists who post here and implement the policy with them.

Johnny M said:
Maddow is doing exactly what she claims Fox News and the Right are doing, just from the opposite Point of View. She is misconstruing the entire reasoning for each story to fit her ‘black vs white’ agenda. She and many members of the Left are the one that can only see stories in black and white.

Black Panthers: Organziation that is proud in its racism against whites… case of voter intimidation documented on tape thrown out before it even gets to court.n.

Damn skippy! We’re comin’ to get ‘cha. BOO!!!!