This War on Religion by Rick Santorum must stop now!

Honestly nothing he says surprises me. I don’t even care, except that the more stupid things he says the faster he will be out of the race, and I want the race to go on and on. The longer it goes on the more the american people know that Obama is their best choice.

Why don’t you do some actual reporting and try to understand what “mainline protestantism” is?

It’s the branches of Protestantism that have gone liberal over the last few years (gay clergy, etc.). I think most Protestants would agree with his statement.

From Wikipedia: “Mainline theology tends to be open to new ideas, new understandings of
morality, and societal changes without abandoning what they consider to
be the historical foundations of the Christian faith.”

Great he can isolate liberal protestants as well as liberals. He cant keep his trap shut which means he wont get nominated. If he does get nominated he will get destroyed.

He didn’t just say mainline Protestants (like me… a United Methodist) have had our churches go liberal the last few years. He said we have fallen out of Christianity. I think it would definitely be news to most Protestants that Methodists like President George W. Bush have fallen out of Christianity.

The polls have begun to bleed. Romney wins Michigan by 10 points. 

Don’t expect Santorum to tone down the rhetoric so long as there are Christianist wing nuts ready to grab their bibles and their pitchforks and join his crusade.

Please, Please, Please let this coconut be the republican party candidate for POTUS in 2012!

As a mainline/evangelical Christian, I can’t altogether disagree with what Santorum said — so many churches, and so many denominations have strayed away from their original calling and purpose (that is, to honor and worship God), to trying every new fad that comes out, in hopes of gaining approval of the media and of our entertainment-based society.  Look at the headlines in todays paper, and in every-day’s paper, and tell me how our departure from a Christian-based society has benefitted us.

Things haven’t changed you just hear about everything now. What goes on today has always gone on. Child abduction and murder rates have fallen in recent history compared to the past. The past was not better no matter how many conservatives think it was.

If it ain’t Dr. Jack Van Impe I ain’t tryin’ a listen… less it’s Bob Enyart. He’s hates Satan lots.   

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/17/santorums-surge-holds-steady-so-far/

he is getting more extreme as the weeks go by………put a (pitch)fork in him…….he’s DONE

You are right, actually.  I don’t see Santorum’s most hardcore followers being offended by this (I know lots of right wing evangelicals and I’ve heard many of them say the same thing that Santorum is saying here before).  

However, moderate conservative and more liberal (religiously speaking) protestants (who are a significant portion of the GOP and the nation at large) will definitely balk at being called “UnChristian.” Especially from a Catholic (Who, as a church, definitely have their own problems).  This isn’t the sort of stuff that it’s exactly wise for a presidential candidate to say.

Dear Rick,

FYI…the United States is not a theocracy.

Sincerely,

The Rest of Us 

Santorum needs to get off the religious bandwagon.  Its putting a tamper on our party. 

Even if I were to agree with you…what does that tell us about Santorum?

Using his line of thinking,  using condoms is a liberal point of view from where he stands.  Married couples should not have sex for pleasure.  Combine that with his promotion for contraception for other communities tells me that he wants other communities to not procreate while growing the population of his community.   I feel sick just trying to think about his ways.

Bottom line, he is so far to the right, there is no more right left.

 I think this sums up the Wing Nuts perfectly.

And the devil took him up, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time, and said to him, “To you I will give all this authority and their glory; for it has been delivered to me, and I give it to whom I will. If you, then, will worship me, it shall all be yours.”

And then the Devil approached the Evangelical Conservatives with the same proposition and they said”
HELL YES!!

Not so fast.  Ron Paul has been having huge rallies lately in Washington, Idaho, Kansas.  Combine that with Romney and Santas fall, Michigan might surprise.  Arizona may not be winnable though.  We still have a debate left.  That will be the key.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2Xp-sYMbLE 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPM9XnMfsuI 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDY12ukeSKI 

Republicans working hard to get Obama re-elected

Good job little Ricky

You just couldn’t  help it but to alienate  the largest sect of Christianity in the county, could you.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_States

1.Do some protestant churches do a poor job at strictly adhering to the bible, yes.

2.Does the Catholic church make numerous mistakes as well, OH YEAH.

3.Let me remind you little Ricky, Who Catholics voted for last time around. OBAMA!!!!!!!!!

4.Now who was it that the largest protestant group in the country (SBC) voted for in 2008,  McCain.

5.Yet your gonna sit there and call us out, What a load of crap. I would strongly recommend Little Ricky or any other Catholics read the 95 thesis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ninety-Five_Theses

6.Some how you have managed to marginalize your self with protestant voters more then Mitt Romney. Good Job

7. Congratulations, you just lost a primary vote on super Tuesday in a state you should have won.
But protestant bashing in the south won’t win you a lot of votes.

On second thought if he offended you, then I support him.

No he’s not…… please make him your republican nominee

I think having a person like him ahead in the polls is wonderful as it shines a light on just how lost in religion some of these people are. The more he speaks the less likely the casual follower of elections will vote for these nut cases.

That said, it is an amazing coincidence that his rigid following of the Catholic Church aligns with the right wing of the party. On other teachings of the church that don’t align, the death penalty, welfare for the poor, going to war in Iraq, minimum wage for workers, the Church’s demand that Israel withdraw from Palestine, etc. he seems to blow the church off.  Even his supporters who claim that he is just following his conscience regarding the Church and we should respect him on that point alone don’t see his hypocrisy in these areas.

I hope he stays around. He is a poster child for everything that is wrong with today’s GOP. The more he speaks the less likely intolerant hypocrite scumbags like him will ever get elected to any position.  Keep taking Rick, you are a winner for the move to rational thought.

awww…where’s the fun in that? I want the GOP clown show to go on for a few more months!

Rick Santorum should pick Benny Hinn as his running mate.

Most Catholics you’ll find are left leaners. Here in Aus; the Catholic Church are huge donors to Labor and Union causes. Huge. My grandfather to speak to sounded like a right wing nut on social issues, but he would rather die than cast a vote for anyone other than Labor. It’s a well known truth that they prefer to ignore the choice/abortion issue and vote for things that matter and for that I commend them. Now, of course …most Catholics are pro choice anyway and actively rebel against the more insane invasive church law, whether covertly or overtly

“We look at the shape of mainline protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it,”

Which part of the statement is not correct??

Regardless of if you are a Christian or not, Christianity is a religion based on the teachings from the Holy Bible; so for an example, which devout christian in the past centuries would have imagined that in the 20th and 21st centuries, there would be such an oxymoron as “Gay Bishop”?

Disagree with it or not, Santorum’s statement is CORRECT, in the sense that according to the example I have given above; historically, someone to play the role of a “Bishop” is one ‘consecrated’ as being “sacred”, entrusted with a position of leadership/oversight over the Church’s ministry, and teachings of the Holy Scriptures. Bishops claim apostolic succession with a direct historical lineage tracing back to the original Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ; who explicitly warned that anyone who decided to follow him had to give up their evil ways. For those who are “Christians”, homosexuality is a very serious sin, and I mean devout Christians whose “faith” is based ONLY on historic Biblical theology. Christians believe that everyone is a sinner, and should seek salvation by repentance, but progressivism has made it possible to give avowed and unrepentant sinners even the most sacred positions in the protestant church, and made it acceptable be believers of the protestant Christian faith. Some leaders in the Catholic church itself have their own flaws, by not IMMEDIATELY getting rid of members of the clergy who are child molesters, and Santorum himself, including other average and prominent devout Catholics have criticized them for it, despite being Catholics. One can be gay and be a member of the church, because Jesus himself never condemned sinners, but you cannot be Bishop! 

But in the “progressive” 21st century, there now exits people in the protestant community referred to as as “Gay Bishops” or “Rev.” Al Sharpton who vehemently supports abortion, “gay marriage” and is an avowed racist with pure hatred inside him (due to the fact that reverse-racism is now legal in America)

From a “religious” and “non-political” perspective, Santorum’s assessment is ACCURATE; you can take it or live it! I would probably say the same thing about Muslims, when there comes a generation with “Gay Imams” or Imam Al Sharpton that support pig farming, which the Holy Koran equally and vehemently forbids, as the Holy Bible forbids homosexuality. Religion is religion, and you either believe in it or you don’t; it doesn’t change the fact that religions are meant to follow the Holy Scriptures by which they were founded.

But you should NEVER assume a man is wrong for saying he has noticed how believers of a specific religion have deviated from the teachings of their Holy Scriptures.

Individuals with a criminal background are NOT accepted to service as sworn officers/agents in the FBI and CIA; so why shouldn’t the same logic apply to Christianity? And if the FBI and CIA begins to accept people with proven crime history, would it then be wrong if I then say “the
intelligence community is in shambles and has lost its integrity as I see it” ??

Not all US citizens are eligible to serve in such intelligence organizations, and people with proven crime history are forbidden for being recruited, as the law says in the book.

Santorum is right, but it was a nice try from the left-wing media; quite an old Saul Alinsky tactic.

Not against this ticket:

Santorum/Jesus 2012.

 Well Santorum needs to be more specific on who he calls out. Because i attend a Baptist church witch has over five thousand members. And believe me, our church condemns all forms of sin according to the bible. Including abortions and homosexuality.   

Wow, Ricky, how could you? Look at the kettle calling the pot black. I am non-denominational, but a Catholic should be the last person talking about being in shambles.

Keep it up and I might just stay home election day.

UH OH FROTH IN TROUBLE

This post demonstrates perfectly why religion and politics should never mix. It’s a toxic brew.

well written, intelligent and correct.     I personally have no religious affiliation but respect peoples rights to their religious beliefs as long as they are non-violent and do not impose on others.    I too,  think Santorum was correct in his statement.

I am a proud member of one of the churches Rick Insanity believes has strayed from Christianity. On the other hand, he belongs to a church, if you can call it that, which has protected and covered up child molestation and pedophilia for at least 50 years. (And if it has gone on for this long, it probably has gone on for a whole lot longer.) In fact, in recent bankruptcy filings, the Roman Catholic church of Milwaukee has listed more than 8,000 potential victims of this abuse. That is right folks, more than 8,000. So you have the audacity to question my Christian beliefs. As a registered Republican for more than 30 years, I hope you are the GOP nominee. After Obama takes you and the rest of your ilk to the woodshed, maybe the Republican party will finally realize the damage it has done to itself by kowtowing to kooks like you.

This whole parsing among religions is inane. You’re all right – ALL religions are nuts, & you’re arguing whether pecans or pistachios are more purely nutty.

I’m with Clovis4: the chances of Obama getting elected over either of these Republican candidates is trending up anyway, but there’s arguably more valuable effects on the GOP from their religious guy getting hammered than their rich robotic serial liar no one likes. IOW if the GOP is going to lose this one anyway, at least lose it in a way that gets that idiot from the Family Research Council off its back.

Can you imagine the uproar if the President had made comments about Catholicism being out of touch with its congregants on cultural issues? Nothing that comes out of Santorum’s mouth surprises me. As a Pennsylvanian we had to put up with this for almost 20 years. I am sure the country is not willing to put with it for 20 minutes let alone a Presidential term. 

Only on religion. If you take morality out of what he talks about, you not only remove a huge part of his platform, but you’re left with a centrist – one who these days is more likely to be found among southern & midwestern Democratic congress critters than in the GOP. He’s certainly well left of the current Uncle Fred Upton**, & perhaps even left of where Uncle Fred was before he went on decaffeinated tea to head off a primary challenge. Until the Birchers came a-hootin’ & a-hollerin’ through GOP Towns skeerin’ the chilluns & wominfolk, the only way to get elected as a Republican in large swaths of the Midwest was to located in the mushy center.

[* The reason I call Fred Upton "Uncle Fred" http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012_swimsuit/models/kate-upton/12_kate-upton_2.html]

The new Masterman & Baby J

http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Masterman+And+Baby+J/2Df3ym?src=5 

[Not sure which version has the best shot, tho]

Remember kids, it’s Obama and the Left that are trying to drive wedges between folk and is waging war on religion.

We’re all Catholics now, as the protestants no longer exist, santorum said so, so it must be true..:)

OMG!
 Has anyone ever seen Chris Hayes and Rachel Maddow in the SAME room together?
Another MSNBC RATINGS Magnet!!!  lmao

I think maybe your thinking on this may be affected by a scale illusion. 

[I don't want to be too hard here, but you words could be taken from Pat Buchanan.]For a long time in Europe, about 800 years, there was one church: the HMC, hq’d in Rome or Constantinople or where ever safe to operate free enough from vandals & goths & the Turk. But then Gutenberg & others took the first step towards automated media, the only educated class, the religious orders, used the only book many ever heard of as the first experiment in mashability, & ever since the end of the black plague & the sweating sickness, populations boomed, travel boomed, the human world shrunk & religious mash-ups boomed.  I think even that may be a scale illusion. There’ve always been arguments & splinters & splitters in anything that smacks of belief systems, but while we can read about the past, we can’t feel  the way it really was – we see the past as pacific & quaint, because it’s dead & threatless. There’s no CHOICE at work in terms of any ‘departure’. Humans are an organic species, a social animal subject to evolution by natural selection & kinship factors. Beliefs change far quicker than we can appreciate while we participate. Five years ago, we wouldn’t be having this discussion; 10 years ago, no one would, not on Internet; 15 years ago, no Internet; 20 years ago, no WWW; 30 years ago, no desktop computers. Since the time you posted your comment, up to the point I post mine, both of our memory banks are going to change, and with them our memories, & therefore our beliefs.

Dear Mister Santorum,

Don’t take yourself so seriously; I certainly don’t.

Sincerely,

Yahweh 

P.S. You know that story about me letting my son Jesus get tortured & murdered to die for your sins? Total bullshit. First off, you have to be organic to have kids, & I don’t even do corporeal. Seriously, Rick, just ask some shrinks: psychiatric wards are full of people lots of them, tens of thousands, thinking they’re Jesus or Brian or some other kid of mine; some even think they ARE me (That kid in the VW ad in the Darth Vader mask? My idea.). Also, if I really had the sorts of powers some say I do, do you really think I’d let Colbert get away with all that trash talk? I’m actually starting to think myself that I’m an illusion, just not one as persistent as your species.

 Yes, I guess you could say that the United Methodist’s went Liberal. We allowed Women to be ordained Ministers. They also have female Bishops in the Church. The United Methodists almost voted for divestiture of holdings in Israel because of their treatment of the Palestinians as well as how they treat the Lebanese.

You just watched it.

Go @$$ juice!

It has been a hoot. Hasn’t it?

LOL!

No No. Too Soon. More fun and hilarity for all to watch.

 Well..I guess you could call it we the “Mainline” Churches actually started to read the Bible. We decided that there is more than one Abomination. And with that we found ourselves in a quandary. The women who found out that since they were wearing a Latex Bra under their Cotton Blouses/Dress/T-Shirts were an abomination unto God, they also found out they could no longer wear Spandex Panties.

They also found out their menfolk couldn’t wear much of what they did..No more Underwear with an elastic waistband. No more “wool sweaters” over that Cotton Shirt.**** Someone needs to tell Rick Santorum that he’s an abomination unto God with what he’s wearing..Especially his sweater vests.
No more Silk or Poly blend Ties with a Cotton Shirt.

And as a couple no wedding ring that wasn’t spartan in  nature, no fancy ring should be worn. No jewelry i.e. necklaces, earrings and no more bracelets.

We decided that since we go out to eat after Sunday Service, in which we force someone to work on the Sabbath. And we have not smited them..And after that we go home and watch Sunday Football, where we force even more to work on the Sabbath, which again we didn’t go out and killed the Players or the Coach.

We decided that Farmers growing Soy Beans next to Corn wasn’t an abomination to us either.
 
Over 350+ more but I think you are finally realizing why we have changed a bit.

So many mainline Churches could no longer have selective amnesia when it came to homosexuals.
After all Christ never said a word about them.

**They also read Ezekiel 16:49 and found out that Sodom & Gomorrah were not destroyed because of homosexuality but because they didn’t give a damn about others..The elderly, the sick, the poor and the needy. We can see this part in action by going to many of the Conservative PAC’s especially the one just ended. Where we found they really didn’t care about anyone but themselves. 

 Something is wrong here..I’m agreeing with you on this one..Please someone take me to a Psychiatric Center….LOL

 Look at the Pope’s John..As I’m sure you know many had wives and children. Also to burst your bubble many were GAY. Until the Middle Ages the Church even preformed marriages between two men.

You can’t say anything too crazy to scare away the GOP base, crazier the better.  However, this will sink him in the fall if he gets past Mittens.  Keep the clown show going!

Sorry, but I think you are left with a bureaucratic lobbyist.  How can he be a centrist when he wants to spend money on wars but cut Social Security.  Yes Social Security has become a bad project but it is not like giving free money.  It is returning the money that people have paid into the system.  The real centrist is Ron Paul.  Cut the wars, rescue Social Security.

 Do you condemn the women in your Church for wearing a Latex Bra under her Cotton Dress? Or if she’s wearing a Cotton-Poly blend dress is she also condemned? Since she is an abomination unto God.

Do you condemn the men of the Church who are wearing a Silk or Poly blend tie. while wearing a Cotton shirt? Or a wool sweater with a Cotton Shirt – ala Santorum.

Do you condemn those that have eating a hamburger yet drink milk or a milkshake? I’t an abomination.

Do you watch sports on TV after Church how many times has your Church condemned the Football Players, Basketball Players, the Baseball players, the Hockey Players, Golf Players for working on the Sabbath. Do you not watch anyone of these games? Then you need to repent yourself after you have gone and smited them. (kill them) since they aren’t keeping the Sabbath Holy and are to be put to death. And especially the football players for touching pig skins.

Let me guess you’ve also gone to a restaurateur where you have eaten Lobster, Clam, Oysters, et again Abomination.

Let me guss you have done none of the above.

The more I read about him, the weirder he appears to be.

Can you imagine the uproar if the President had made comments about the GOP being out of touch, being the enemy, drove the bus into the ditch, must sit at the back of the bus and shut up?  Can you imagine the uproar from the media if the President marginalized people like that?  

It’s really interesting if you put in google search “comments Obama made against republicans” – you get nothing but praises for Obama, and b.s. (even a site to support Obama) lol
It’s truly tough to fight against the bias because it’s everywhere and the left thinks that’s fine.

Silence – the sounds of silence.

 Maybe you can find the clip where the president says the GOP must sit in the back of the bus. i’d be interested in seeing it.

Santorum needs to question his own Christianity. Somehow he must not read what the bible says in Matthew 7.  ..”you hypocrit. First remove the log in your own eye before you remove the spec in your brothers eye” and “judge not lest ye be judged” 

Wait.  You’re honestly outraged that a president has committed..gasp…politics?!

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obama-again-tells-gop-you-gotta-sit-in-the-back-seat/

Such an uplifting speech. lol

Regardless of if you are a Christian or not, Christianity is a religion
based on the teachings from the Holy Bible; so for an example, which
devout christian in the past centuries would have imagined that in the
20th and 21st centuries, there would be such an oxymoron as “Gay
Bishop”?

You’re conflating doctrine and tradition. The Holy Bible is a book nessecarily subject to interpretation by anyone seeking to worship Jesus and understand his teachings. Those interpretations and doctrines have not been consistant. People have and continue to disagree on what exactly constitutes Biblical theology.
As to your example, I’d say the majority of protestants still view homosexuality as a sin,{as is molesting children I suppose} so your assertion that Santorum is correct is baseless on that point. Santorum is expressing a personal opinion and basically saying Catholic theology is still Christian {scandals aside I suppose} while Protestants are not. He has a right to that opinion, and people can decide how they feel about it.

Chris Hayes you suck for this …Why won’t you just let Rick be great?  Couldn’t you have withheld this until lets say after Michigan.. I want, No I need a brokered convention.. :(

 On what basis?

Christianity has a multitude of denominations and doctrines, all based on interpretations of the Bible, vary. Why is Santorum’s statement aimed at all protestants accurate?

Anyone who isn’t a fundamentalist is mainstream.  Fundamentalists generally believe in literal creation and that the bible, specifically the KJV, in every word is true. 

Rick Santorum must stop – period.  I pray he loses Michigan.  And then more and more losses.  He is a danger to this country.

which devout christian in the past centuries would have imagined that in the 20th and 21st centuries, there would be such an oxymoron as “Gay Bishop”? 
Christians are under the “new covenant” and the old covenant OT has nothing to do with them.  Homosexuality isn’t mentioned in the NT.
………………….
Bishops claim apostolic succession with a direct historical lineage tracing back to the original Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ;”

They are wrong.  Jesus and the apostles were practicing Jews and Jesus wasn’t considered to be a God until, 30 years later Paul reinvented him as such.  The apostles and the other followers of the man, Jesus, were Ebionites – were declared heretics, hunted down and killed by the RCC.  Pauline Christianity took hold and grew in Rome until it became the state religion in 385 AD.
………………

Santorum is a zealot and a danger to this country.  Especially to the religous and social freedoms.

He is an angry, mean-spirited, little man.  He wants entry into the bedrooms and faiths of every man, woman and child in this nation.

I understand a man loving his faith.  This is not a man talking about faith.  His rhetoric is not one of faith or even religion – but of ideology – agenda. 

I too believe Romney will win in Michigan.

When you have lots of time and would like to take a peek into history of RCC butchery for the past 2000 years (how do you think it came to be at the top of the heap for a time?), check out:  http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

It starts out with ”
·       As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict (315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan priests were killed.
·       Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.
·       Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.
·       Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were famous as “temple destroyer.” [DA468]
·       Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]
·       Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]According to Christian chroniclers he “followed meticulously all Christian teachings…”

 I’m thinking that given the kind of dialogue that has been going on, now is a good time to define exactly where religious beliefs fit into our diverse society when deciding public policy and governing.
I believe it was during the campaign that Obama said , in regard to religion, that we need to find a common language to communicate with. That’s correct and smart.
Personal beliefs matter but when coming to the public table with people of diverse beliefs we need to try and find a common language. It can’t be according to Allah, Jehovah, Buddha, Zeus or anyone else. We can come together on principles of liberty, fairness, compassion, etc.

And the article (18 pages of it) ends with:
More recently the BBC aired:
Priests get death sentence for Rwandan genocideBBC NEWS April 19, 1998
A court in Rwanda has sentenced two Roman Catholic priests to death for their role in the genocide of 1994, in which up to a million Tutsis and moderate Hutus were killed. Pope John Paul said the priests must be made to account for their actions. Different sections of the Rwandan church have been widely accused of playing an active role in the genocide of 1994…

I think it would be fair to play this clip over and over again and have discussion panels. The anchor can just ask leading questions while their guests proceed to analyze Rick in a harsh manner. Let’s just do that repeatedly on several shows over the course of a week, maybe two, because by some standards that’s the fair and balanced thing to do. 

Well, good for your church, it is a good thing if your church practices Christianity “based on the Bible”.

Santorum and other Catholics have spoken against the Roman Catholic church’s failings; devout Catholics do not pretend the church hasn’t got its own flaws.

Actually it is not unusual for Catholics to criticize protestants, it happens a lot, the same way very many protestant pastors criticize the Roman Catholic church.

In other news Apostle Rick just gets better

 ”Obama’s agenda is “not about you. It’s not about your quality of life.
It’s not about your jobs. It’s about some phony ideal. Some phony
theology. Oh, not a theology based on the Bible. A different theology,”
Santorum told supporters of the conservative Tea Party movement at a
Columbus hotel.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/18/santorum-says-obama-agenda-not-based-on-bible_n_1286649.html

So now public policy and our laws should be based on his version of Biblical theology?

DON’T WORRY, FROTH PLAY MORMON CARD IF THIS BECOME PROBLEM FOR FROTH.

FROTH LOVE THEBLAZE! FILLED WITH UNBIASED VIEWS JUST LIKE FROTH!

CHILD RAPE NO DIFFERENT FROM HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN CONSENTING ADULTS!

So you just proved you were wrong. He didn’t say the back of the bus. Now maybe you can try to remember why you thought it was bus.

I think most Protestants would agree with his statement.

If most Protestants would, then Santorum is wrong…….correct?

And, in 2011 on Meet The Press, he said, he thinks doctors who preform abortions should be criminally charged.

What charge would that be Rick? How about the mothers who , according to your beliefs, kill their children. What kind of charge should be leveled agasint a woman who takes the morning after pill. Please tell us, and then tell the nation.

GO RICK!

tee hee

“We look at the shape of mainline protestantism in this country and it
is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it,”

Your argument would be easier if you pointed out which part of the statement was not correct.

Progressive Christian theology has eaten deep into the Christian faith in general, just like a cancer. If a person says: “We look at the shape of mainline protestantism in this country and it is in shambles, it is gone from the world of Christianity as I see it,” it does not mean your “Christian multitude of denominations and doctrines” are without their own flaws.

Maybe if the silly progressive “journalist” Chris Hayes released the full speech online, any interested readers would see the actual context of the statement BY THEMSELVES, rather than listen to the opinions of left-wing lunatics on Obama’s official network. This is actually the same thing they criticized Andrew Breitbart for during the Shirley Sherrod incident.

We did not see the full speech by Santorum, so we do not know the actual context of his argument. But based on what we can see from the Shirley Sherrodlike edited statement, Rick Santorum by no means implies that the Roman Catholic church has got no flaws of its own.

Besides, if Santorum is wrong as you suggest, I personally do not understand why a Christian denomination should have what is now known as “Gay Bishops”, and neither do Iunderstand what is so “Reverend” about Al Sharpton who actually does commercials for abortion and gay marriage, and openly expresses his resentment for the Caucasian race.

The writer does not understand what is meant by “Mainline Protestantism”. The designation refers specifically to Episcopal, Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodist, Lutheran, and related denominations. Santorum’s comments referred to this branch of Christianity solely. Baptists, Pentecostals, Seventh Day, and non-denominational congregations are third third (loosely defined) branch in American Christianity today. This third branch is generally referred to as evangelical – but there are overlaps with other groups, and the subject would probably bore a secular audience.
Suffice to say that in context, Santorum’s remarks are about disagreement within the Church body about the relative importance of social work vs spreading the gospel, with all agreeing that both aspects of the work of the Church are necessary.
These comments do not indicate a POLITICAL split. Republicans are not suddenly going to vote for Obama because they don’t agree with Catholic, (or Lutheran, or Mormon) doctrine.

 There are actually 613 Mitzvahs. If you want to troll, you should study the basics. 2/10

Simple question, do you trust Rick Santorum?  Simple answer, the people of Pennsylvania don’t.  That’s why they voted him out of office.  He lied to get money from the taxpayers to pay for private school for his kids.  They weren’t even residents of Pennsylvania.   They were residents of Virginia and remain residents of Virginia to this day.

 I’d be glad to see it in context.

I think the “as I see it” qualifies it as Santorum’s opinion and he’s entitled to it, just as we are entitled to question him on it. To make a comment that seems so all inclusive and covers millions of people who say they are Chrisitans seems pretty judgemental.

I don’t care at all about your views on progressive Christian Theology. You brought up the homosexual issue and my point is that I believe the majority of Protestants still consider homosexuality a sin. which makes your point invalid.
If I’m incorrect then demonstrate it. 

Christianity is based on the Holy Bible; the Bible consists
of the old and new testaments respectively, none of which are considered irrelevant
to devout Christians or Christianity itself.

Jesus Christ was a Jew, and Christianity was founded by virtue of his
teachings, life, death, resurrection and ascension to Heaven. The apostles of Jesus,
most of whom became Christian martyrs as well as the early Christians, were sanctioned
by Jesus Christ to go and spread the gospel. I still don’t see how your
explanation disputes the fact that “Bishops claim apostolic succession with a
direct historical lineage tracing back to the original Twelve Apostles of Jesus
Christ;”

 Christianity is based on the Holy Bible; the Bible consists of the old and new testaments respectively, none of which are considered irrelevant to devout Christians or Christianity itself.

Jesus Christ was a Jew, and Christianity was founded by virtue of his teachings, life, death, resurrection and ascension to Heaven. The apostles of Jesus, most of whom became Christian martyrs as well as the early Christians, were sanctioned by Jesus Christ to go and spread the gospel. I still don’t see how your explanation disputes the fact that “Bishops claim apostolic succession with a direct historical lineage tracing back to the original Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ;”

You keep talking about “majority of Protestants” and how they still consider homosexuality as sin, but I don’t know if you carefully read my initial statement in its entirety?

Furthermore, you state that my point is invalid; but I have given you good examples on the issue of Gay Bishops in the protestant community, and I explained that there was nothing “Reverend” about Al Sharpton, but I just don’t know which of these two points are “invalid” and why they are.

So because “majority of Protestants still consider homosexuality as sin” does that mean they do not have ordained Gay Bishops amongst their congregation? Or is Al Sharpton’s ‘reverendhood’, political ideology, or religious beliefs based on true biblical theology?

I wonder why we fought the Taliban in Afghanistan when Rick Santorum is advocating American Taliban version of taking away women’s rights here. Is making women inconsequential and requiring them to submit to laws of their overlords any different than making them invisible in burkas?  Our founding fathers were (mostly) adamant about separation of church and state precisely because of the abuses of religious leader in the past in England.  When England began to be enlightened the Puritans started a colony in Massachusetts so they could continue to burn “unbelievers”…and the rational people moved to Rhode Island and began to build a nation, built on human rights and not religious ideology. 

Before Santorum pursues his goal of
becoming president, he should read the Constitution of the United States of
America:

Article Six: The Senators and
Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State
Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United
States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to
support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a
Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Is he running for Pope or for the Presidency?

 LMAO!

Most Catholics in the USA lean left as well.  It’s only a small minority of Catholics like Santorum that are pushing their radical right wing religious theology as their politics.  Over 92% of women take birth control in the US.. a very large portion of them are Catholics.

Actually I hope he wins his party’s nomination.. Obama will cream him in the election.  And you can bet, Obama will wage a clean election, as opposed to the muckrakers on the Right.

Mainstream, I suppose in some communities, but not “Mainline,” which is a term used for most of the denominations who were influential in the 30s – 50s, and who tend to emphasize social justice as a value. Mainliners don’t usually see themselves as part of the evangelical community. Also, there are plenty within the evangelical community who don’t see themselves as fundamentalists. 

Progressive Christian theology isn’t the cancer, it’s the cure. 

American Protestant Fundamentalism™ is the disease, the bastard child of Protestantism and the scientific revolution, in which the Bible has no value whatsoever unless it accurate on history and science. Progressive Christianity allows for a more realistic view of the Bible, in which it can be valuable without being inerrant, and in which the teachings of Jesus call people to be compassionate and generous instead of being intolerant and judgmental.

 Settle down Occutard settle down. You appear to be mad at God not me, I assure you i did not write the bible. But i do read it and believe it.

 True, i hope he responds appropriately to this issue, in the future.

Some of the more hard-line Catholics really believe that Protestants should not be considered Christians. It isn’t a new idea, and it isn’t any worse that the legions of evangelical Christians who think Roman Catholics also should not be considered Christians.

To what You refer about Satan and JESUS, three scriptures were quoted and then later JESUS threw the money-lenders out of the Temple. When JESUS was ready to return to Heaven for a time (Only known by GOD, The Father), HE commanded the deciples to teach HIS  gospel, not go and establish religion. JESUS always spoke against the religious.  HE is our FRIEND. Not the Friend of those who persecute, lest they repent of their sin.

Your reply comes out of Wiki, however, over the last 60 years, fundamentalist. creationist, literal word of the bible types were not the norm and were considered to be something of an oddity along with the Jehovah’s Witnesses.  It is only in the last decade that the fundamentalists have come to the forefront.  Quote: “lthe churches that are growing are the fanatical, Fundamentalist ones — and the churches that are shrinking are the moderate, mainstream ones that most people grew up with.”  Two different birds, Stumpy.

However, it is because the fantatical fundamentalists are drawing their kind out of the mainstream churches that they are growing.  There is also an attrition rate right out of Christianity altogether of a figure in line with the growth of the fundamentalists in the country.

There is exactly one true and faithful Evangelical Follower of Christ in this race and why the yahoos in my party can’t or won’t see that is hard to fathom.  It’s not the Mormon, it’s not the Catholic, it’s not the converted Catholic.  Exactly one, folks. 

NONE of the apostles were martyrs to a man-God because they were practicing Jews who didn’t believe in man-gods.  Jesus stated” I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel”.  He had no interest in Gentiles and Paul was the first self-appointed apostles to the Gentiles.  Bishops don’t have any direct lineage to Jesus because they are believers in Paul’s man-god and men-gods don’t come from Judaism.

were sanctioned by Jesus Christ to go and spread the gospel”

There you are speaking of Mathew 28:19 – which is a Christian addition and does  not exist in the original wiitings.

Jesus had no interest in gentiles and he did not consider himself to be a God anymore than any one of his followes thought he was.  He thought himself to be the totally human.leader/king prophecied in the OT.

And the wingnuts say Obama is “divisive”…lol..

  We did not see the full speech by Santorum, so we do not know the actual
context of his argument. But based on what we can see from the Shirley
Sherrodlike edited statement, Rick Santorum by no means implies that the
Roman Catholic church has got no flaws of its own.

  Correct, and ultimately irrelevant. The question would be what specifically does he consider qualifies as  “gone from the world of Christianity”  That may be doctrinal in his mind rather than actually living up to the principles of your doctrine.
My question would be given that Christianity and Christian doctrine has changed over the centuries where does Santorum or anyone get off declaring that a pretty large group ,{ if he is including all or most protestants,} is not Christian anymore. Plenty of Potestants don’t consider Catholics to be real Christians  or the Mormons either. What about the Catholic church with the Pope , Cardinals, Arch Bishops , etc etc resembles the churches in the New Testament? At least the Mormons {and some offshoots} have their own set of 12 apostles. But I digress.

Besides, if Santorum is wrong as you suggest, I personally do not
understand why a Christian denomination should have what is now known as
“Gay Bishops”,

Let’s be clear that we’re discussing Santorum’s comment not your personal opinion. When he says “mainline Protestantism” that seems to me to mean most Protestants, so the fact that a minority of denominations accept being gay as accpetable to Christianity is irrelevant to Santorum’s statement.
They’re right IMO but that’s not relevant either. So, according to logic and reason if the majority of portestants still believe homosexuality is a sin, and “mainline protestantism” means most protestants, then you point is irrelevant.

 Much of the muckraking on the right has come from the independent groups (Adelson, Feiss, etc. (see Citizens United)). These groups will pop up in support of Obama too, and they will do what they think is best even if Obama publicly asks them not to do certain things — bad cop, good cop.

 As bad as Santorum is turning out to be, the other two* are worse for the party. Santorum is perfect in that he stands up proudly for exactly what the GOP believes. They don’t want everyone to know all these weird, undeveloped ideas, but until the GOP reforms, Santorum is their guy.

* Ron Paul is a completely different story.

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You keep talking about “majority of Protestants” and how they still
consider homosexuality as sin, but I don’t know if you carefully read my
initial statement in its entirety?

It depends on what Santorum meant by “mainline protestantism” It certainly sounds more inclusive than a handful of groups doesn’t it?
Finding one or two examples you think qualifies doesn’t make his statement true.

Since you seem concerned about biblical theology, can you show me in the Bible where it mentions Bishops, Cardinals, or a Pope as the divine head of the church? 

Santorum is talking about ‘mainline’ Protestantism, and obviously not about Evangelical Protestants.  There is nothing he has said about the decline and disintegration of Churchs such as the Episcopalian Church that has not been said by many Evangelical leaders.

Not only has Obama and his minions continuously played the race card, then the class warfare card, not trying to stir up religious discord.  This is the most deliberately divisive and polarizaing President in American history.

I’m surprise that Santorum gaffy’s hasn’t hurt him in the polls yet maybe debates on Wed will. I hope Newt will steal some thunder from Santorum to help Mitt.

The “world of Christianity.” What on earth is that? 

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word WAS God. The same was in the beginning with God.”

It is a tad confusing. The same and  yet separate. But there you have it. Paul didn’t invent the idea.

Ha. Yeah. If we’re going to talk who is and isn’t in the world of Christianity, what’s up with the Pope?

“Before Abraham was, I am.”

Now, you can argue that’s not a declaration of being God, but it is most certainly a declaration that he’s more than mere human. That at the very least he pre-existed in a special relationship with God and had come to do His bidding. 

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. 

“And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.”

And true, Jesus said he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. He also said that in the context of testing a Gentile woman who he ended up saying had great faith and granted her request. He also said a Roman centurion had more faith than he’d seen in Israel. But yes, as John 1 states, he was sent unto his own, and his own received him not. The Jews got first dibs, so to speak. 

But that doesn’t mean his message is only for Jews. Paul said “to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.” Paul was burdened for his people, but went where the soil was willing. 

And before Paul there was Peter who got the lesson of the clean vs. the unclean which was kind of the start of spreading the message to the Gentiles. Acts 10 - http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/kjv/act010.htm

“I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
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Written by John 80 years later – passing along oral tradition and right after Paul had invented the pagan-based man-god. 

Jesus as a Torah-uholding Jew would have considered himself a son of God as all Jews consider themselves to be sons of God. 

He would also have believed that God is one and indivisible:  Hear, O Israel: The Eternal is our God, the Eternal is one. [Deuteronomy 6:4]

The Tanakh also reads:
Isaiah 44:6-8
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I [am] the first, and I [am] the last; and beside me [there is] no God.
 
Hosea 13:44 Yet I am YHWH your G-d from the land of Egypt; and you shall know no god but me, and besides me there is no Savior.
 

And true, Jesus said he was sent to the lost sheep of Israel. He also said that in the context of testing a Gentile woman who he ended up saying had great faith and granted her request.
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He also directed his apostles to avoid gentile towns and promised to be back before they had finished all the towns in Israel.  As far as the woman goes, first he refused to have anything to with her but on being urged to help her said that it was not right to take food away from the children at the table and give it to the dogs.
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Paul said “to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.”

Exactly.  Paul, who had never met Jesus nor studied under the apostles, was the first “apostle” to the gentiles and it’s HIS story that you have and upon which Christianity arose in Rome.

None of Jesus followers were “Pauline Christian/ Catholic” martyrs.  Quite the opposite, they were fully practicing Jews and later were called Ebionites who were declared to be heretics by the RCC, hunted down and murdered.
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I still don’t see how your explanation disputes the fact that “Bishops claim apostolic succession with adirect historical lineage tracing back to the original Twelve Apostles of Jesus Christ;”

Because all of Jesus followers were Jews as was Peter who catholics like to think was the first pope.  Your kind of Christianity didn’t come along until some 30 years later with Paul.

 Look at the headlines in todays paper, and in every-day’s paper, and tell me how our departure from a Christian-based society has benefitted us. ”
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Quoted from United Nations’ Human Development Report: “If this often-touted religious theory were correct-that a turning away from God is at the root of all societal ills-then we would expect to find the least religious nations on earth to be bastions of crime, poverty, and disease and the most religious nations to be models of societal health.

A comparison of highly irreligious countries with highly religious countries, however, reveals a very different state of affairs. In reality, the most secular countries-those with the highest proportion of atheists and agnostics-are among the most stable, peaceful, free, wealthy, and healthy societies. And the most religious nations-wherein worship of God is in abundance-are among the most unstable, violent, oppressive, poor, and destitute.”

This should surprise no one who is informed. Official Roman Catholic doctrine states that any true evangelical Christian, one who believes salvation is by grace alone, through faith alone in Christ alone and that Scripture trumps Roman tradition is “anathema” or damned. How does a true Christian choose between three men who believe they are damned? We must choose the one who will best lead the country out of the mess we are in; understanding that ultimately God is sovereign and he will decide who he places in the role. We need to pray that God will intervene and bring America back to a nation that honors him.

You’re formally educated I suppose, so I’m sure you know when the terms Bishops, Cardinals, or Pope came into existence in the English language. A Christian would not ask the question you asked,so I guess you’re not one, but the few bible passages below might be easy to understand.

Matthew 16:13-19
1 Timothy 3
Philippians 1:1

You’re formally educated I suppose, so I’m sure you know when the terms
Bishops, Cardinals, or Pope came into existence in the English language.

What makes you think a formal education includes where those terms first
came into the English language, or that someone formally educated would
have any reason to retain such trivia?

A Christian would not ask the question you asked,so I guess you’re not
one, but the few bible passages below might be easy to understand.

You must be joking. I was a Christian but have since chosen not to to be one because reason and my personal conscience dictate so. Still, I feel confident I know more about the Bible and Christianity than the average Christian does. If you thing the average believer knows the answer you are fooling yourself.

Those passages only demonstrate I’m correct on a couple of counts. The Bible doesn’t designate a structured church that includes Bishops Cardinals and a Pope and that the Bible is by necessity, interpreted, which makes it subjective to a large degree.

So according to the passage in 1 Tim 3 is it the Priests, Cardinals , Bishops or the Pope who are

2 Now the overseer is to
be above reproach, faithful to his wife, temperate, self-controlled,
respectable, hospitable, able to teach, 3 not given to drunkenness, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money. 4 He must manage his own family well and see that his children obey him, and he must do so in a manner worthy of full respect.