Crack is whack , Chris .

Is your chief researcher a guy from Va. named Bootle/Rosie ?

” “they just want to destroy him personally.”

Why bother? The Obama-Pelosi-Reid leftist agenda is doing that quite well, thank you.

Gallup: 48% Disapprove 44% Approve http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

It is indeed an ugly, malicious group of misanthropes who hate America. It’s unfortunate that our nation is cursed with this people. Still, they may well make the rest of us and our nation stronger and better by overcoming them.

FROM ITS CONCEPTION,
THROUGH YOUR RECEPTION,
FOX IS PURE DECEPTION.

Azarkhan said:
” “they just want to destroy him personally.” Why bother? The Obama-Pelosi-Reid leftist agenda is doing that quite well, thank you. Gallup: 48% Disapprove 44% Approve http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Polls over principles is shameful.

FROM ITS CONCEPTION,
THROUGH YOUR RECEPTION,
FOX IS PURE DECEPTION.

You know you’ve gotten under somebody’s thin skin when they start talking about you before you’re even on the thread.

That’s wasn’t hard to do AT ALL.

Now we get to see if this pile of dogshit is gonna use the same joke are trying something different?

My guess is the same joke and I’m willing to bet it gets crossed posted at least a half dozen times.

He’s up to three and counting so this is no great stretch in the pundit department.

and I take the suggestion that I might work at mediate as a very high compliment.

Too bad it had to come from such an unmittigated asshole.

The Real Royal King said:
It is indeed an ugly, malicious group of misanthropes who hate America. It’s unfortunate that our nation is cursed with this people. Still, they may well make the rest of us and our nation stronger and better by overcoming them. FROM ITS CONCEPTION,THROUGH YOUR RECEPTION,FOX IS PURE DECEPTION.

You ARE talking about the MSNBC staff? Right?

Wow! 30% of Democrats are birthers.

” a total of 41 percent of Republicans surveyed said that Obama was “definitely” or “probably” not born in the U.S.
Overall, however, 42 percent of Americans say the president was “definitely” born here, with an additional 29 percent saying he was “probably” born in the USA.”

Haha, you said it AJ!

Tingles, you’ll remember is the guy that is SO in the tank for Obama, that Bill Maher actually said he felt like Chris and Olberdork wanted to have sex with him. Not a mental picture I want in my head, but you get the point. He probably sleeps with a picture of him under his pillow. I can just see Tingles in the Hallmark store for hours trying to pick out the perfect birthday card for BO.

Bootleghaircut said:
You know you’ve gotten under somebody’s thin skin when they start talking about you before you’re even on the thread. That’s wasn’t hard to do AT ALL. Now we get to see if this pile of dogshit is gonna use the same joke are trying something different? My guess is the same joke and I’m willing to bet it gets crossed posted at least a half dozen times. He’s up to three and counting so this is no great stretch in the pundit department. and I take the suggestion that I might work at mediate as a very high compliment. Too bad it had to come from such an unmittigated asshole.

Take a couple bottles of aspirin and you’ll be fine in the morning , Bootlerosie .

Obama could put the “birthers” away in the time required to release his true birth certificate (not just his state “Record of live birth”). Why doesn’t he?

Matthews’ real issue isn’t with the quarter of us who don’t think Obama was a natural-born American, anyway – it’s with the fifty-plus percent of us (increasing daily) who see that he violates the Constitution on a daily basis and has a real contempt for the American people and their Constitution.

I think the majority of people answer this question politically. They don’t believe it is true but think they can hurt Obama by spreading the lie.

As Chris said, “They wouldn’t pass a lie detector test.”

I believe this about most of the Birthers on this board as well. They’re not stupid, they are just trying to do damage in any and every way they can, lying included.

“Take a couple bottles of aspirin and you’ll be fine in the morning , Bootlerosie .”

Come on, just a little further- you’re only two away douche bag.

Baby Bootie says:

You know you’ve gotten under somebody’s thin skin when they start talking about you before you’re even on the thread.

Well if that’s true, then I am REALLY under the skin of the libs on this site.

http://anti-strib.blogspot.com/2008/12/bodice-ripping-journalism.html

and… http://www.gamesprays.com/spray/chris-mathews-bodice-ripping-journalism-1594/

Get a room, Chris…

This CLOWN is an Anchor on NBC!

A “chiils-up-my-leg” sycophant for Obama is an Anchor on NBC!

Haven’t you all learned yet that the old mainstream media has devolved into little more than an in-house propaganda wing of the Democratic Party!

Serious thinkers get their News from FOX!

MichelleF said:
Tingles, you’ll remember is the guy that is SO in the tank for Obama, that Bill Maher actually said he felt like Chris and Olberdork wanted to have sex with him. Not a mental picture I want in my head, but you get the point. He probably sleeps with a picture of him under his pillow. I can just see Tingles in the Hallmark store for hours trying to pick out the perfect birthday card for BO.

Speaking of malicious people ….

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
I think the majority of people answer this question politically. They don’t believe it is true but think they can hurt Obama by spreading the lie. As Chris said, “They wouldn’t pass a lie detector test.” I believe this about most of the Birthers on this board as well. They’re not stupid, they are just trying to do damage in any and every way they can, lying included.

There is much truth in that. They are truly malicious people.

FROM ITS CONCEPTION,
THROUGH YOUR RECEPTION,
FOX IS PURE DECEPTION.

“Well if that’s true, then I am REALLY under the skin of the libs on this site.”

I wonder why that is?

Seems there ARE conservatives HERE who can make their points without being assholes.

You are not one of them however.

Bootleghaircut said:
“Take a couple bottles of aspirin and you’ll be fine in the morning , Bootlerosie .” Come on, just a little further- you’re only two away douche bag.

Set the 40 down and back away , Bootlerosie .

Wait Baby-Booty, are you saying you DON’T like me?! How will I ever go on!?

Seems there ARE liberals HERE who can make their points without being assholes. You are not one of them however.

There, fixed it for you.

Dear loupgarous et al;
As for not being sure about someone’s place of birth, I summit the following to you.
I do understand and know that these are all from the internet but they are all from several well known and rather respected fact check sites. The very fact that they all have so many articles on this matter seems to bear out the last link all too well:
One on John McCain: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/may/12/born-usa/ This could be the real issue down the road for anyone else running for office who is a military brat. And an issue only the USSC can rule on. And rule on only after the election and swearing in.
http://factcheck.org/2010/05/the-obama-birth-chronicles-chapter-ccxcviii/index.html
http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/13/obamas-birth-certificate/
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/print_born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/jul/30/few-weak-links-chain/

This story, from Slate.com, seems to fit rather well:
Born Again
Why the “birther” myth refuses to die.
The “birther” myth is the political equivalent of a horror-movie villain: Not only does it refuse to die, but every time someone tries to kill it, it only comes back stronger.
http://www.slate.com/id/2251518?wpisrc=newsletter

“Set the 40 down and back away , Bootlerosie .”

come on one more! You can do it!

MichelleF said:
How will I ever go on!?

Probably in the same illiterate, hate-filled, bitter manner you normally do, Michelle-in-Utah.

FROM ITS CONCEPTION,
THROUGH YOUR RECEPTION,
FOX IS PURE DECEPTION.

America has a proud history of not knowing the facts on most issues, and just plainly believing in stupid shit. I suppose this can be said of many other nations as well, but we really seem to excel at it and do so with gusto.

The SAME Indoctrinated Lemmings that support the Mosque at ground zero are supporting the redefinition of marriage, as well.

How does that work out when Jim & Joe go to the Imam and want to tie the knot? – I’m sure it’ll be nothing they’ll lose their heads over!

Hey Matthews, you’ve got 2 competing ‘politically-correct’ tenets at work here – gay rights vs. muslim rights; who you gonna choose?

Actually, it’s like the Black Caucus calling Nancy Pelosi & her radical lefties RACIST! – Tooooooo Goooood!!!!!!

Hey, did you libs know that Barack Obama hates black people?

Alert! Libtalker Lynn Samuels Say’s Obama Hates Black People!

http://sharpelbowsstl.blogspot.com/2010/08/dixiecrat-alert-libtalker-lynn-samuels.html

Racist libs!

“America has a proud history of not knowing the facts on most issues, and just plainly believing in stupid shit”

Liberals are an excellent example of that. Thank you.

Bootleghaircut said:
“Set the 40 down and back away , Bootlerosie .” come on one more! You can do it!

As a typical reasonable middle aged liberal , you must remain calm and continue to offer your well – thought assertions .

41% of Republicans believe Obama was not born in the United States.
100% of those get all their news from right-leaning websites that feed their hatred and are designed to make sure they don’t receive any information that may motivate them to question their beliefs or investigate for themselves. Actually, that’s inaccurate. Conservatives do investigate issues for themselves…by going to other Conservative websites.

“Drudge said Obama wasn’t born in the US. Let’s check Fox News and see if it’s true!”

@MichelleF: I’d actually LIKE to see someone embrace liberalism online without simultaneously impugning the morals and character of those with whom he or she disagrees. It’d be a welcome change.

Of course, the “Fox is deception” line would be a lot more telling if it were backed by anything but spit, while the process by which the people are daily deceived by those who call themselves “the mainstream media” is too well-documented to require much more confirmation; the “recession” which became a “recovery” despite worsening objective figures in every way that an economy can be measured; the complete lack of transparency by which we got an IRS-enforced oligopoly on health insurance masquerading as “healthcare”; the sudden disappearance of the “anti-war movement” on the evening news now that the wars have been anointed by a Democrat in the White House… Fox News is remarkable among domestic news organizations mainly for the way they DON’T massage the daily news before reporting on it.

Royal Race-Baiter says:

Probably in the same illiterate, hate-filled, bitter manner you normally do, Michelle-in-Utah

This coming from the man (and I use the term VERY loosely) that accused someone earlier of wishing death on another person? Of course, you’ve done the very same thing to me. Please, race-baiter, point out anything I’ve said that is equally as hateful as that. I’ll be waiting.

<<<<Fox News is remarkable among domestic news organizations mainly for the way they DON’T massage the daily news before reporting on it.<<<

You really just said that didn't you? That's some serious Kool Aid you're drinking.

"Today on Fox & Friends, is the logo for the Nuclear Summit Conference a Muslim crescent?!?!?!?!?! We'll discuss that, and other stories we use to stimulate your hatred of Obama right after these words."

And so on…

RRKing said:
It is indeed an ugly, malicious group of misanthropes who hate America.

C’mon, King, I don’t believe you believe this sweeping generalization. The Tea-Party, like every other group on this earth, Democrats, Republicans and any other group you’d care to name, all have some idiots. But most people, in most groups are pretty decent people. The few give the majority a bad name.

I thought Chris was over his mancrush on Obama. LOL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8jMNAd7Gp8

RRKing said:
It is indeed an ugly, malicious group of misanthropes who hate America.

Including the rich spoiled misanthrope who said she was never proud of her country until the day her husband received the Democratic Party’s nomination for the Presidency in 2008; and the bosom friend of her husband’s in Illinois politics who escaped imprisonment for terrorist bombing specifically because he and his wife Bernadine Dohrn hated America.

It’s only relatively recently that the Van Jones and Cass Sunsteins with which Obama surrounded himself as advisors have learned not to say they hate America.

<<<<Fox News is remarkable among domestic news organizations mainly for the way they DON’T massage the daily news before reporting on it.<<<

Step AWAY from the crack pipe, madame.

The birth certificate that the Obama campaign posted over 2 years ago is the first time I have seen any President’s birth certificate.Gerald Ford born Leslie King was adopted as a baby how do we know he was not born in Canada instead of Michigan?Never saw his birth cert.Ya think race might play a part in all the birther nonsense.

“As a typical reasonable middle aged liberal , you must remain calm and continue to offer your well – thought assertions .”

Oh so close and you were so close to making a point.

Better luck next time asshole.

Some_Dude said:
THE ENTIRE WORLD has a proud history of not knowing the facts on most issues, and just plainly believing in stupid shit. I suppose this can be said of many other nations as well, but we really seem to excel at it and do so with gusto.

FIFY

Bootleghaircut said:
“As a typical reasonable middle aged liberal , you must remain calm and continue to offer your well – thought assertions .” Oh so close and you were so close to making a point. Better luck next time asshole.

Bootlerosie , calm down . Don’t even think of taking out your rage on your poodle , Bootlerosie , Jr. That dog saved your life when she gnawed off your infected toe . She would be alarmed if she knew of your infected , sick personality . Don’t keep shaming your poodle . Get well soon , Bootlerosie .

there you go!

You came back with a hat trick and made the quota! I knew you could do it!

Why do you guys constantly go back and forth insulting each other in every thread?
Isn’t one insult per thread enough?
God, it’s like the 3rd grade in here.

Lemme show you how it’s done.

“Michelle, you are an ignorant fool.”

You see, now I’m finished.

ima go make a sammich

You’re right , Sheriff Joe . It’s plumb loco to stir up dust around the chuckwagon . Much obliged .

Bootleghaircut said:
there you go! You came back with a hat trick and made the quota! I knew you could do it!

One more thing . You forgot to curse me .

Poor Spittle, constantly complaining about birthers, but where was he when 1/3 of the country thought GWB orchestrated 9/11. I wonder who made up that 1/3 of the country, my guess is there were a few libbies sprinkled in there. In my opinion both groups are fucking nuts putting over 50% of this country as out of their gords.

The Hawaii Department of Health has indirectly confirmed, in 2 different ways, that the Factcheck COLB is a forgery, because

1) they confirmed that Obama’s BC is amended, which must be noted in a genuine COLB but is not noted on Factcheck, and

2) they confirmed that the BC# is given by the HDOH on the “date filed” – which rules out previous attempts at explaining why the Factcheck COLB has a “date filed” 3 days before the Nordyke twins’ BC’s but was given a number 2 later than theirs. Hospitals don’t number the BC’s and BC’s don’t sit around in piles for 3 days at the HDOH office waiting to be numbered.

Obama’s BC being amended means that it is not prima facie evidence. Hawaii law (HRS 338-17) says that an amended BC means no more than Monopoly money unless and until it is presented as evidence to a judicial or administrative person or body and they determine the probative value of the BC.

So when Fukino said they have a BC, that is accurate but it doesn’t mean squat legally. And when she says that the BC says he was born in Hawaii that ALSO doesn’t mean squat legally because legally there is nobody in this entire NATION who can legally say whether that claim is true.

The only way ANYBODY – including Pelosi, Congress, and Chief Justice Roberts – can legally determine the facts of Obama’s birth (when, where, and to whom), one of those “crazy, outrageous, frivolous birther” lawsuits has to result in the BC being presented as evidence.

The 20th Amendment says that had to happen by Jan 20, 2008 or else Joe Biden is to act as President. Obama stalled all these “birther” suits when they alone could allow him to legally “qualify” by the deadline set by the 20th Amendment.

Documentation for this and more (including the real motivation for this “birther”) can be found at my blog at http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com . Follow the link at the bottom of the post for the actual documentation.

btw, Why isn’t Michelle spending the Liar-In-Chief’s (presumed) birthday with him today?

TROUBLE IN PARADISE??????

LOL!!!

Some_Dude said:
America has a proud history of not knowing the facts on most issues, and just plainly believing in stupid shit. I suppose this can be said of many other nations as well, but we really seem to excel at it and do so with gusto.

Who said liberals don’t believe in American exceptionalism!

“One more thing . You forgot to curse me .”

Why curse you when the training is going so well? You deserve a scooby snack. I told you what you would do; and then you did it.

Good boy!

And that concludes your conditioning for the evening!

Here is an example why the anyone that plays the grammar police should shut up.

From RRK
It is indeed an ugly, malicious group of misanthropes who hate America. It’s unfortunate that our nation is cursed with this people. Still, they may well make the rest of us and our nation stronger and better by overcoming them.

See I just made a mistake complaining about the grammar police.
Here is an example why anyone plays…………….

See I didn not see the “the” when I reread it.

loupgarous said:
Obama could put the “birthers” away in the time required to release his true birth certificate (not just his state “Record of live birth”). Why doesn’t he?

Maybe because he doesn’t have it. I don’t have a copy of my original birth certificate. It was lost decades ago when my parents moved. Twenty years ago I had to get a copy and they gave me a computerized version like the one Obama has. Why won’t the birthers accept that which is completely legal for getting a driver’s licence or a passport and has been verified by the Republican Governor of Hawaii? Why won’t they accept the birth announcements that appeared in 2 Hawaii newspapers in 1961?

loupgarous said:
Matthews’ real issue isn’t with the quarter of us who don’t think Obama was a natural-born American, anyway – it’s with the fifty-plus percent of us (increasing daily) who see that he violates the Constitution on a daily basis and has a real contempt for the American people and their Constitution.

Really? Exactly how has the President violated the Constitution and how does he do so on a daily basis? Please cite the exact Article and/or amendment that he is violating and provide links that prove he is doing so on a daily basis.

teabagalibby is what happens when a lie is told over and over.The poll that said 1/3rd believed GWB orchestrated 9/11 is not what the poll asked.It was do you think Bush could have done MORE to PREVENT 9/11.With the small fraction of “truthers” aside no sane person thinks Bush was involved in 9/11.But I heard Sean Hannity use this same lie as a throw away line time after time.

What happened Chris? Playing the race card got old? Now it is a crime to criticize Obama?

Chris, even with you and the MSM protecting BHO, look at this!!!

USA Today/Gallup Poll Has Obama Job Approval Rating at 41%

He would be in the 30s without you sycophants!

Shoot says:

Step AWAY from the crack pipe, madame.

First it would have to ripped from your cold, dead hands.

butterdezillion;
I am not all to sure just where you found your “facts”-And by facts I mean foot-noted, heavly research matterial.
You seemed to have missed my prior listing-which I just tonight updated:
As for not being sure about someone’s place of birth, I summit the following to you.
I do understand and know that these are all from the internet but they are all from several well known and rather respected fact check sites. The very fact that they all have so many articles on this matter seems to bear out the last link all too well:
One on John McCain: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/may/12/born-usa/ This could be the real issue down the road for anyone else running for office who is a military brat. And an issue only the USSC can rule on. And rule on only after the election and swearing in.
http://factcheck.org/2010/05/the-obama-birth-chronicles-chapter-ccxcviii/index.html
http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/13/obamas-birth-certificate/
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/print_born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/jul/30/few-weak-links-chain/
http://www.politifact.com/subjects/obama-birth-certificate/

This story, from Slate.com, seems to fit rather well:
Born Again
Why the “birther” myth refuses to die.
The “birther” myth is the political equivalent of a horror-movie villain: Not only does it refuse to die, but every time someone tries to kill it, it only comes back stronger.
http://www.slate.com/id/2251518?wpisrc=newsletter

To Chris Matthews, this quarter of Americans is “the worst kind of citizen.”

It’s “the worst kind of citizen” to wonder why Obama refuses to prove he’s constitutionally eligible to hold his office?

Let’s face it, the birther thing is a non-issue, since the guy is president, and if someone came up with a super 8 film of him sliding through the kid hole with Kilimanjaro in the background at this point, it would still be too big a hot potato for anyone to care about. Birthers need to give it up, but on the other hand, Matthews is an asshole.

Sorry. It had to happen by Jan 20, 2009 – not 2008. Since Obama “failed to qualify” by Jan 20, 2009, Joe Biden is required by the 20th Amendment to act as President.

There is no way Obama could have qualified since nobody can even LEGALLY say how old he is, where he was born, or to whom he was born – any one of which could disqualify him from being President. The facts of birth have to be legally determined before anyone can legally say whether he is old enough or is a natural born US citizen as required by the Constitution for presidential eligibility.

There is no way anybody could sign an oath saying he is legally qualified to be President without perjuring themselves, because there are no legally-determined birth facts for Obama. If Congress claims to have certified (swore to) his eligibility they would be documentably guilty of perjury. But I don’t believe they ever signed anything saying that. I believe the only 3 people who have ever signed a statement saying Obama is legally qualified to be President are Nancy Pelosi, Alice Travers Germond, and Barack Hussein Obama II. All 3 are guilty of perjury for having signed an oath they know to not be true.

Jonathan Cohen, what I have on my blog are called primary sources. IOW, I got the story straight from the horses’ mouths. I cite Hawaii laws and rules, legal decisions, OIP opnion letters, and the responses directly from the HDOH itself.

It’s confusing to go through all that, but that’s really what you have to do to understand the facts of the matter.

The Hutch News not too long ago had an editorial where they rescinded their endorsement of a candidate because he was a “birther” – which, they said, was a totally crazy thing because THE HAWAII SECRETARY OF STATE HAD COME FORWARD WITH OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE. A flat-out lie. I wrote to the editor asking for a correction. He responded that though it was “technically” incorrect, he didn’t need to correct it because the HDOH had confirmed that the Factcheck COLB is genuine. I had explained in my letter that I had an e-mail from Janice Okubo saying that it is AGAINST THE LAW for her to even tell LAW ENFORCEMENT whether that Factcheck COLB was or wasn’t a forgery. So there is no way that she directly confirmed anything as genuine or a forgery. And she had accidentally indirectly confirmed that it is a forgery.

Do you think they would correct anything? No, they wouldn’t. Why is that? The editor admitted that he had a blatant falsehood on his site but he wouldn’t correct it. And there were people in the comments who were saying what a great job the Hutch News was doing and why couldn’t these stupid “birthers” just believe what they’re told…

One person suggested that maybe somebody could just give me the proof that the Hutch News was right, just to shut me up. I thanked him for actually caring whether there was documentation for what anybody was saying. He was sure that there were just oodles of places where the HDOH had shown Obama’s real birth certificate, or where they had said flat-out that the Factcheck COLB was from them. He wanted somebody else to find them quick and show me just how stupid I am.

But nobody would, because the HDOH has never said or done those things. Most people have no clue because they read the sites like the ones you referenced. But you will never find a site which quotes the HDOH as actually saying that the Factcheck COLB is from them. I, however, have a quote from Okubo saying that they CAN’T say that, whether or not it’s true.

I’ve got the quotes straight from the horses’ mouths. What I don’t have is a megaphone loud enough to cover up buffoons like Chris Matthews who have no clue about the facts of the matter.

butterdezillion:
Horse’s mouth? Humm-IMVHO wrong end. And a rather poor agument attempt from you.

What Matthews and Mediaite FAILED to report…

Chris Matthews: Michelle Obama(Birthers) Trying To “Assassinate” Obama “With Their Lies”…

http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2010/08/chris-matthews-michelle-obamabirthers.html

“Matthews tore into the long-debunked birther movement ”

Long debunked — REALLY?

There’s no way Obama is a “natural born citizen” since his father was not American (British/Kenya)

There’s no court hearing or ANY legal proceeding that proves Obama was even born in the USA. Every time someone tries to have a legal proceeding, the case is dismissed.

Who was the attending physican?
What was the time and place of birth?
Where is the doctor’s signature?

ALL of this is required of US to get a passport. I’m itching to see how Obama got a US passport WITHOUT a VERIFIED birth certificate.

Until there is a VERIFIED birth certificate with a signature of the ATTENDING PHYSICIAN, Obama is not even a citizen. As it stands, there is NO WAY he is a NATURAL BORN citizen, due to his father’s heritage.

Tingles Matthews is an idiot!
I’m serious!!!! I don’t know how anyone can tune in to his absolutely stupid show!!
Wait a minute! No one does……

I am just very upset at the use of language like “assassinate”, to describe this. Such violent rhetoric is going to lead some people on the left to think it will be acceptable to escalate this to killing birthers. Nancy Pelosi has shed a tear.

I actually find a great deal of solace in the fact that the Tea Partiers and other anti-American elements in our society are returning to the issues of last year’s Summer of Hate. Nothing else is resonating. There is an element of desperation in all of this.

THOREAU: “RATHER … THAN MONEY, THAN FAME, GIVE ME TRUTH.”
FOX NEWS: BUY GOLD. USE GOLD TO BUY WHATEVER TRUTH YOU WANT. AND, SEEDS.

lanquihue said:
It’s “the worst kind of citizen” to wonder why Obama refuses to prove he’s constitutionally eligible to hold his office?

Well actually it has been proven: http://patterico.com/files/2008/12/obama-birth-certificate.jpg

dowdaytrader said:
ALL of this is required of US to get a passport. I’m itching to see how Obama got a US passport WITHOUT a VERIFIED birth certificate.

And this is all that is required to get a passport or drivers licence: http://patterico.com/files/2008/12/obama-birth-certificate.jpg . And it has been verified by the Republican Governor of Hawaii.

JamesA1102 said:
Well actually it has been proven: http://patterico.com/files/2008/12/obama-birth-certificate.jpg

Then why were over US $200,000.00 in stimulus funds used to erect a sign on the outskirts of Kogelo, Kenya, saying “Welcome to Kogelo, NOT the Birthplace of Barack Obama”?

We’ll see how many righties cite this as “proof” ….

THOREAU: “RATHER … THAN MONEY, THAN FAME, GIVE ME TRUTH.”
FOX NEWS: BUY GOLD. USE GOLD TO BUY WHATEVER TRUTH YOU WANT. AND, SEEDS.

It’s quite amusing and satisfying to see the ‘Bush-haters’ in such an apoplectic froth when the fire-hose is pointed AT them rather than BY them. Happily, Obama’s legacy as a failure and a divider is now cemented. He is a lame-duck President with clear knowledge that the economic outlook will not improve enough between now and 2012. When you run as a centrist and then govern as a radical Leftist, you deserve the rocks that get thrown your way. To all of Obama’s sycophantic followers who were guzzling champagne and eating caviar on inauguration day (as elites typically do): How is your life now?

dowdaytrader said:
Who was the attending physican?
What was the time and place of birth?
Where is the doctor’s signature?
ALL of this is required of US to get a passport. I’m itching to see how Obama got a US passport WITHOUT a VERIFIED birth certificate.

Actually, Tinkerbell, a short form birth certificate issued by the state is all that is required to get a US passport. Well, actually that, a completed application and the fee. That’s been the state of the law as long as I’ve lived. I got my first passport when I was in rompers, and my grandson, at about the same age, just got his with the same document type.

Sorry to embarrass you. You just don’t know the facts, Nigel.

THOREAU: “RATHER … THAN MONEY, THAN FAME, GIVE ME TRUTH.”
FOX NEWS: BUY GOLD. USE GOLD TO BUY WHATEVER TRUTH YOU WANT. AND, SEEDS.

ChrisNH said:
How is your life now?

Pretty good. My personal income taxes resulted in a refund for the first time in 11 years. My company’s P&L has improved by 7% in the last 12 months (ending 30 June 2010) and the company is getting a very, very nice credit on the health insurance premiums we pay on behalf of our employees. The premiums rose, of course, as the health insurance gouge us before they are made accountable under HCR, but the company was able to renew coverage thanks to HCR’s tax credits now being phased in.

In a less tangible way, I travel overseas a great deal on business and, to a lesser extent, for pleasure. It is so nice not to be treated with the scorn and contempt travelers faced during W’s Reign of Terror. I enjoy America being respected again.

Thanks for asking.

THOREAU: “RATHER … THAN MONEY, THAN FAME, GIVE ME TRUTH.”
FOX NEWS: BUY GOLD. USE GOLD TO BUY WHATEVER TRUTH YOU WANT. AND, SEEDS.

MartiniShark said:
I am just very upset at the use of language like “assassinate”, to describe this. Such violent rhetoric is going to lead some people on the left to think it will be acceptable to escalate this to killing birthers. Nancy Pelosi has shed a tear.

Thanks for that post MS…. that’s exactly what I was thinking. Language like that creates an atmoshphere where…where violence occurs.

And they say Beck promotes violence! Project much??

The Real Royal King says:
August 5, 2010 at 8:15 am

And not only that! He has all day to hang out and troll this and other websites and hang on every word printed by a small group of bloggers.

Sometimes he even gets so upset at what he reads at the other blogs he brings out his other personalities (little johnny t, burger bovine). Funny thing though, he never has the balls to go over to those websites.

Cue the Koldys Phox Phan Derangment Syndrome in three……..two…..one.

notsofast said:
What happened Chris? Playing the race card got old? Now it is a crime to criticize Obama? Chris, even with you and the MSM protecting BHO, look at this!!! USA Today/Gallup Poll Has Obama Job Approval Rating at 41% He would be in the 30s without you sycophants!

“Playing the race card got old?”
_________________

notsofast…..he still played it. Besides blaming Bush/ (R)’s….it’s all they know how to do. All you have to do is ‘let him finish’ and he’ll always bring it back around to ‘the first BLACK Prez’. Funny that the ONLY ones who keep referring to color are on the left.

Right around the 1:45 mark of that video the real racist shows his true colors once again….

Sorry I forgot, Ah Chrissy bringing up the convenient ‘Boogie Man Birthers’, must be a slow news day.

The only two places I see that going on these days are Bill Cuningham late Sunday Show (which keeps losing stations by the week) and World Nut Daily.

But like I said, Birthers are the Convenient Boogie Man of the left, so he has to bring it up and scare his small audience.

msNBC WHERE THE TINGLE ROLLS UP AND THE JIZZ ROLLS DOWN.

dowdaytrader;
All the answers to your “questions” are here in the list that I posted several times before. You may wish to read all of them in order to get a much better idea of just what you are repeating over and over again.
And repeating without questioning what you are being told is “fact”.
I do understand and know that these are all from the internet but they are all from several well known and rather respected fact check sites. The very fact that they all have so many articles on this matter seems to bear out the last link all too well:
One on John McCain: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/may/12/born-usa/ This could be the real issue down the road for anyone else running for office who is a military brat. And an issue only the USSC can rule on. And rule on only after the election and swearing in.
http://factcheck.org/2010/05/the-obama-birth-chronicles-chapter-ccxcviii/index.html
http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/13/obamas-birth-certificate/
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/print_born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/jul/30/few-weak-links-chain/
http://www.politifact.com/subjects/obama-birth-certificate/

This story, from Slate.com, seems to fit rather well:
Born Again
Why the “birther” myth refuses to die.
The “birther” myth is the political equivalent of a horror-movie villain: Not only does it refuse to die, but every time someone tries to kill it, it only comes back stronger.
http://www.slate.com/id/2251518?wpisrc=newsletter

Jonathan Cohen, Factcheck participated in the forgery that the HDOH has indirectly confirmed.

The people you are citing should be sitting in jail for what they have said and done.

I have contacted just about every media outlet I could think of to tell them that the HDOH has actually indirectly confirmed that Factcheck is a forgery. None – including Fox and Wall Street Journal – would report the true facts or correct their documentably incorrect statements. What they have done is actually a federal crime – violating the Federal General False Statement Act. It is a federal crime to deceive Congress, by what you say or fail to say.

If we ever recover the rule of law in this country, there are lots of people within government, media, and law enforcement who will be found guilty of a multitude of crimes. That’s why this really has very little to do about Obama himself and everything to do with the rule of law. And we cannot survive as a civilization without the rule of law.

Perhaps Matthews should report on the passport applications for Ann Dunham/Soetoro that were finally released after a year and a half of dodging and hiding. We know there was an application for a 1965 passport because the 1965 passport was amended in 1968 to change the name to Soetoro. But the ROIA response said the 1965 application “may have been destroyed”, even though they are to be retained permanently (just like the records in Hawaii are said not to exist even though they are required to be retained permanently.

The really funny thing is that a close examination of the facts, as done on Mario Apuzzo’s site, reveals that Ann’s 1965 application was to renew her 1960-61 passport which was taken out under either her maiden name or Obama. We know that because the 1965 passport’s start date was 4 months after Dunham married Soetoro and yet was not under the name of Soetoro. If it had been an application for a new passport she would have filed under the name of Soetoro. But it was under her previous name – a request to renew the passport she had taken out when her name was either Dunham or Obama.

And their refusal to show that document as required by law – indeed their deceptive claim that it “may have been destroyed” – just shows that they think it damaging for the world to know that Dunham/Obama/Soetoro had a passport in 1960-61 when she didn’t need it according to the story line Obama has put out about his mom.

They also apparently hired the same person who did the Dan Rather “Bush Memo” forgery, because there are documents that supposedly originated in the 1960′s which use a proportionate font which wasn’t available on typewriters.

These people are lying at every turn and counting on the public being gullible enough to believe the tripe that people like Mattthews put out there. They are playing you all for fools.

I should add that Dunham WOULD have needed a passport in 1961 if she went to Kenya where she gave birth to Obama – as Obama himself told Freeper Race Bannon in the summer of 1980 that he was born in Mombasa, grew up in Indonesia, and was going to be President someday.

He knows he was born in Mombasa or he wouldn’t have said it.

He didn’t even have a BC from Hawaii until 2006. But he used a different BC for all his documentation before then. That would be for stuff like kindergarten, driver’s license, college admission, medical records – all the stuff that Obama refuses to let anybody see.

A person can get a US passport using a foreign birth certificate and proof of a parent’s citizenship.

They can also get a US passport using an affidavit by an older relative (Grandma Dunham) and a baptism certificate (from Jeremiah Wright).

That’s TODAY – after things tightened up in response to 9-11. And just a couple years ago 4 out of 7 blatant forgeries were still able to result in passports when the security protocols at The State Dept were checked. That tells you that they don’t check with the databases to see if the names and numbers all match up.

And we know that Obama is using a social security number that comes from Connecticut – a state he has never lived in, which is what the number given is based on.

These are facts, people. You’re not hearing them from the Chris Matthews of the world. All you’re hearing from them is mindless repetition of “Obama already presented his birth certificate” – which is documentably false, as confirmed by the HDOH itself. The news media has been informed of that fact and they refuse to correct their lies.

If we allow these people to get away with playing us for fools then we are fools and it’s just a matter of time before our own foolishness destroys us. Wake up!

JamesA1102 said:
Well actually it has been proven: http://patterico.com/files/2008/12/obama-birth-certificate.jpg

Please. A jpeg of a computer generated, non-notorized, and un-signed document. Did you know that during the campaign, the Obama web site took that thing down less than a day after it was posted?

us passport requirements include a CERTIFIED BIRTH CERTIFICATE – the digital short form of Obama’s Live Birth WOULD NOT BE ACCEPTABLE FOR A PASSPORT.

Primary Evidence of U.S. Citizenship (One of the following):

Previously issued, undamaged U.S. Passport
Certified birth certificate issued by the city, county or state*
check box Consular Report of Birth Abroad or Certification of Birth
Naturalization Certificate
Certificate of Citizenship

*A certified birth certificate has a registrar’s raised, embossed, impressed or multicolored seal, registrar’s signature, and the date the certificate was filed with the registrar’s office, which must be within 1 year of your birth. Please note, some short (abstract) versions of birth certificates may not be acceptable for passport purposes.

http://travel.state.gov/passport/get/first/first_830.html

There is NO WAY Obama is a “naturally born citizen” …either. Once Obama presents a certified birth certificate

UNTIL Obama submits a bonafide LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE, he ain’t even an American! Since he is NOT naturally born there is NO WAY he is even qualified to be President

Long forms, also known as certified photocopies, book copies, and photostat copies, are exact photocopies of the original birth record that was prepared by the hospital or attending physician at the time of the child’s birth.[21] The long form usually includes parents’ information (address of residence, race, birth place, date of birth, etc.), additional information on the child’s birthplace, and information on the doctors who assisted in the birth of the child. The long form also usually includes the signature of the doctor involved and at least one of the parents.[22]

No doctor’s signature, no long form birth certificate. Period.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:United_States_long_form_birth_certificate.gif

What is Obama hiding and why?

0bama’s hidden records: Why would he hide every scrap of his past history? Why are these docs off-limits?

1 Certified copy of original birth certificate

2 Columbia University transcripts

3 Columbia thesis paper

4 Campaign donor analysis requested by 7 major watchdog groups

5 Harvard University transcripts

6 Illinois State Senate records

7 Illinois State Senate schedule

8 Law practice client list and billing records/summary

9 Locations and names of all half-siblings and step-mother

10 Medical records (only the one page summary released so far)

11 Occidental College Transcripts

12 Parent’s marriage Certificate

13 Record of baptism

14 Selective Service registration records (Did Obama Actually Register for Selective Service?

15 Schedules for trips outside of the United States before 2007

16 Passport records for all passports

17 Scholarly articles

18 SAT and LSAT test scores

19 Access to his grandmother in Kenya

20 List of all campaign workers that are lobbyists

21 Punahou grade school records

22 Noelani Kindergarten records are oddly missing from the the State of Hawaii Department of Education.

23 Page 11 of Stanley Ann Dunham’s divorce decree.

24 Why isn’t Barack Obama still a member of the Illinois bar and where are all of the relevant documents?

25 Why isn’t Michelle Obama still a member of the Illinois bar, after only about four years of practice, and where are all of the relevant documents?

One state could solve the problem easily by passing a law stating that all candidates for president must supply a verifiable birth certificate proving their qualifications, naturally born in the US and over 35 years of age, or their name will not be on the ballot.

Is Factcheck.org working with Obama?

…Why was the purported certificate number visible in Factcheck’s article about the COLB, but Obama’s website has shown it only with the certificate number obliterated? How many versions of this document are there?

Is Factcheck truly “looking to reduce deception”?

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/05/20/is-factcheck-org-working-with-obama/

DC Knows that Obama is Ineligible for Office

Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi knows that Barack Hussein Obama is not eligible for the office of president, which is why she refused to certify the following language when certifying Obama as the DNC candidate for president in 2008.

This is the normal language for certification of nomination for president and vice president, filed by the DNC only in the state of Hawaii…

This is the language filed by the DNC in the other 49 states, however…

Note that the language which certifies that Barack Hussein Obama meets all constitutional qualifications is missing in the DNC documents filed in 49 of the 50 states. The certification of constitutional qualification for the office of president was filed only in Hawaii. That text is missing in the DNC certification filings for all other states.

Whereas the RNC filed the exact same certification document, including the constitutional text for John McCain in all 50 states, Obama was technically certified in only one state, Hawaii. A mere inconvenient technicality, I’m sure…

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/22221

Good point, Juan. And the HDOH has actually confirmed that the BC number on the Factcheck COLB is incompatible with the “date filed” on it.

The HDOH has said that Oahu birth certificates have always had the certificate number given by the HDOH on the “date filed”. The date filed on the Factcheck COLB is Aug 8th – but the certificate number is later than the numbers given to the Nordyke twins on Aug 11th.

In the past, people (including Eleanor Nordyke) tried to explain this away by saying that the hospital numbered the birth certificates. But Okubo’s statement rules out that possibility. Others have suggested that the birth certificates sat in piles at the HDOH office and got out of order that way, but Okubo confirmed that the birth certificates did not sit around for more than a day but were processed and given a number the same day that they were received from the local registrars/hospitals.

So the HDOH has indirectly confirmed that the certificate number, “date filed”, or both have been altered on the Factcheck COLB.

People who tell us we should believe what the HDOH tells us really need to listen to what the HDOH really IS telling us. It’s beyond the comprehension level of idiots like Chris Matthews.

Another good point regarding Pelosi’s 2 different certifications, Juan.

Eventually I hope to get a post up about this on my blog, but the Hawaii Democratic Party did things differently from their usual protocols for the Certification of Nomination in 2008.

Normally they waited until about a month after the Democratic Convention and DNC’s own Certification of Nomination was signed, and then signed their own Cert of Nomination saying that the Pres and VP candidates were duly chosen by both the DNC and the Hawaii Democratic Party AND MEET THE CONSTITUTIONAL REQUIREMENTS TO HOLD THOSE OFFICES. Then they hand-delivered their certification to the Hawaii Elections Office.

In 2008 the HDP signed their certification at the Democratic Convention one day BEFORE Pelosi and Germond signed the Certifications of Nomination. The HDP’s certification left out the eligibility language, which signaled to the DNC that they would have to certify eligibility since that is required by Hawaii law.

So Pelosi and Germond had to make up a different certification for Hawaii in 2008 because the Hawaii Democratic Party refused to certify eligibility as they always had done before. The DNC mailed both certifications to the Hawaii Elections Office.

Now why did the HDP refuse to certify Obama’s eligibility? The DNC claims that eligibility is supposed to be verified by the state democratic party in the state where the records are kept – although the site where that was claimed has since been removed from the web, I believe. That state would be Hawaii. They refused to certify eligibility.

Turns out that the attorney who handled all of the HDP’s recent major cases is William H Gilardy – who just so happened to be the divorce lawyer for Ann Dunham in the Soetoro divorce. Gilardy has probably seen the birth certificate Obama was using before 2006 when he completed the Hawaii BC. He knows Obama is not eligible. And he preferred to be guilty of the lesser crime of misprision of felony (by refusing to report Obama’s perjury in saying he was Constitutionally eligible) rather than the outright felony of counseling the HDP to perjure itself.

BTW, I called the Hawaii Democratic Party headquarters to ask who had approved the change in their Certificate of Nomination, when, and why.

I got a rant about how stupid “birthers” are and a refusal to answer any questions.

Take at look at these democratic-advocacy ‘reporters’ of the so-called “mainstream media” trying to Play the Race Card with a group of Black Tea-Party reps.

http://www.breitbart.tv/reporters-take-on-black-conservatives-at-press-conference/

The Tea people put them to shame as they were flustered their Race-Card LIES were debunked, one after the other!

These are supposed ‘reporters’, yet listen to them Foam-at-the-Mouth when they can’t get their LYING RACIST SMEAR to stick!

Everyone – EXPOSE these examples of Left-Wing Bias in the “mainstream media” to all your family & friends, e-mail everyone you know NOT to BELIEVE the “mainstream media”!!!!!!
——————————————————–

GOP Candidates: BOYCOTT the “mainstream media”. YOU DON’T NEED THESE OBAMA-LOVING PROPAGANDISTS!! – The uninformed audiences they have won’t vote for you

It’s so obvious to anyone not caught up in the hate Obama movement that if Obama were white the hatred level would be reduced by 90%. There is no basis to his having been born outside the USA. Obama won the election fair and square simply because there was no alternative. If McCain/Palin had won where do you think we’d be today? Many more wars and many more poor, dispossesed, unemployed and unhealthy Americans. All you people are doing is destroying the Republican Party and slowing down our recovery. You ‘Birther’ are truly a bunch of pathetic idiots.

Some_Dude said:
America has a proud history of not knowing the facts on most issues, and just plainly believing in stupid shit. I suppose this can be said of many other nations as well, but we really seem to excel at it and do so with gusto.

Alas, that’s how we came to be in position we are in.

ganymede said:
It’s so obvious to anyone not caught up in the hate Obama movement that if Obama were white the hatred level would be reduced by 90%. There is no basis to his having been born outside the USA. Obama won the election fair and square simply because there was no alternative. If McCain/Palin had won where do you think we’d be today? Many more wars and many more poor, dispossesed, unemployed and unhealthy Americans. All you people are doing is destroying the Republican Party and slowing down our recovery. You ‘Birther’ are truly a bunch of pathetic idiots.

Holy Shiite Batman! Another lefty pulls the ultimate card. Try again, that is so plaaayed.

NORBIT said:
Take at look at these democratic-advocacy ‘reporters’ of the so-called “mainstream media” trying to Play the Race Card with a group of Black Tea-Party reps. http://www.breitbart.tv/reporters-take-on-black-conservatives-at-press-conference/ The Tea people put them to shame as they were flustered their Race-Card LIES were debunked, one after the other! These are supposed ‘reporters’, yet listen to them Foam-at-the-Mouth when they can’t get their LYING RACIST SMEAR to stick! Everyone – EXPOSE these examples of Left-Wing Bias in the “mainstream media” to all your family & friends, e-mail everyone you know NOT to BELIEVE the “mainstream media”!!!!!!——————————————————– GOP Candidates: BOYCOTT the “mainstream media”. YOU DON’T NEED THESE OBAMA-LOVING PROPAGANDISTS!! – The uninformed audiences they have won’t vote for you

WOW. Thanks for that NORBIT. They said it all. “If he’s making policy that is not good for America then we intend to continually speak out against it”. PERIOD.

Alfonzo Rachel is da bomb! It’s a shame he gets called an UNCLE TOM just because he is conservative.

I wonder how many of those other good folks get called shitty names for the same reason…..

I know for a fact Dr.Alan Keyes does…. I’ve seen it myself.

ganymede said:
It’s so obvious to anyone not caught up in the hate Obama movement that if Obama were white the hatred level would be reduced by 90%. There is no basis to his having been born outside the USA. Obama won the election fair and square simply because there was no alternative. If McCain/Palin had won where do you think we’d be today? Many more wars and many more poor, dispossesed, unemployed and unhealthy Americans. All you people are doing is destroying the Republican Party and slowing down our recovery. You ‘Birther’ are truly a bunch of pathetic idiots.

“It’s so obvious to anyone not caught up in the hate Obama movement that if Obama were white the hatred level would be reduced by 90%.”
___________

You reading this Tommy? Any comments? Tell me again about how people don’t play the race card SIMPLY for disagreeing with Obowma. I’m all ears….

‘Just one example’ indeed. I’ll just put you in the same category as “ganymede” since you obviously are also hopelessly blinded by your ideology.

DUMBASSES.

I wonder how many of those other good folks get called shitty names for the same reason…..

What was it that Doonesbury called Condi Rice? How about Clarence Thomas? And the Right are racists? What a load of BS, nobody buys it anymore.

ganymede said:
if Obama were white the hatred level would be reduced by 90%.

No one cares anymore, dumb ass. How many times are you guys going to repeat that racist crap before you realize that years ago, it lost its power as a tool for lefties to end debates that they can’t win.

lanquihue said:
Please. A jpeg of a computer generated, non-notorized, and un-signed document. Did you know that during the campaign, the Obama web site took that thing down less than a day after it was posted?

Did you know that during the campaign that Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers jumped in their DeLorean and went back in time to 1961 to place the birth announcements in two Hawaii newspapers as part of their plot to destroy America?

Also, what color is the sky in your world?

ganymede said:
It’s so obvious to anyone not caught up in the hate Obama movement that if Obama were white the hatred level would be reduced by 90%. There is no basis to his having been born outside the USA. Obama won the election fair and square simply because there was no alternative. If McCain/Palin had won where do you think we’d be today? Many more wars and many more poor, dispossesed, unemployed and unhealthy Americans. All you people are doing is destroying the Republican Party and slowing down our recovery. You ‘Birther’ are truly a bunch of pathetic idiots.

Deaf eyes and all, but here goes:
Many more wars? I suppose you are pleased despite Obama deploying even more troops into the war, and not closing Guantanamo?
Many more poor? They have been insisting for over a year we are in a recovery, while the economic numbers only drop.
More Dispossed? We just hit a record number of mortgage defaults last month.
More Unemployed? That figure has shot up 3 percentage points under this President, and that is after his stimulus bill that he promised would keep it under 8%.
More Unhealthy? How exactly do you make that claim when his health care bill does not go into effect for four more years? (We only have to pay for it right now).

JamesA1102 said:
Did you know that during the campaign that Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers jumped in their DeLorean and went back in time to 1961 to place the birth announcements in two Hawaii newspapers as part of their plot to destroy America?

The birther thing is a stupid argument, if you scroll up, you’ll see that I think that birthers should move on to something else. However, when I see people post that stupid jpeg scan of an un-official fish wrap, I think, “Jesus Christ, and they think the _birthers_ are stupid!”

JamesA1102, the birth announcements were not given by the HDOH, so they prove nothing.

And we have proof that they were forged. There will be a post up on my blog about that soon, Lord willing. The forgers did a very bad job of covering their tracks.

The fact that they had to forge birth announcements shows how desperate they were to try to come up with ANYTHING credible. The fact that the media and HDOH helped them perpetrate the fraud tells you how screwed this country really is, if we don’t wake up and demand that government, media, and law enforcement obey the rule of law.

Chris, defend the President if you can. If you can’t, then stop pretending that his problems are coming from birthers. It’s easy for anyone to see that it’s the Left that wants to keep the birther issue in the news. But this attempt to try to shift attention away from the economy, foreign policy, rising taxes, unemployment, intrusive government, deficits and D.C. corruption won’t work. This is a failed presidency, and that has nothing to do with his birth certificate.

Felixw, the same lawlessness Obama used to get into office is the lawlessness he has shown since getting into office. It’s all the same thing. And until we normal Americans figure out a way to MAKE the government, media, and law enforcement obey the rule of law, there will always be somebody screwing us, whether it’s Obama or the next politician.

That’s why this is about the rule of law. The stuff you mentioned is ultimately about the rule of law also. We need to confront the lawlessness wherever we see it and avoid friendly fire as much as possible.

I say that any issue the left wants to bring up is an opportunity to shine the spotlight on the real crisis in America: the failure of the rule of law. Sadly, if the media threw darts to decide which issue to talk about, 9.9 times out of ten the issue they hit would boil down to a failure of the rule of law.

They choose the “birther” issue because they believe the rest of the world laughs with them at those of us who believe that Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17 and the US Constitution’s 20th Amendment should be obeyed. They just need to learn that most normal Americans today find nothing funny about the lawlessness and utter contempt shown by Obama and his criminal cronies.

This is a total non-issue. No matter where the Prez was born, he is not a natural born citizen, both parents US Citizens, because his daddy was from Kenya and thus a British citizen.

Hypothesis:

The -0bama regime has come to the conclusion that all but the most hardened koolaid embibers have turned on them and their “hopey changey” thing won’t win for them in 2012–besides, they’ve gotten everything on their agenda (a rush toward progressivism) accomplished: socialized medicine, cap and tax, a supreme court nomination confirmed, huge pay offs to organized labor…

Now, they’re trying to rewrite history before the history is written: It was not their agenda that defeated them but the mean-spirited ultra-right’s endless accusations about -0bama’s place of birth. They want to avoid anything resembling the fact that it was their policies that defeated them.

pyrope said:
Hypothesis: The -0bama regime has come to the conclusion that all but the most hardened koolaid embibers have turned on them and their “hopey changey” thing won’t win for them in 2012–besides, they’ve gotten everything on their agenda (a rush toward progressivism) accomplished: socialized medicine, cap and tax, a supreme court nomination confirmed, huge pay offs to organized labor… Now, they’re trying to rewrite history before the history is written: It was not their agenda that defeated them but the mean-spirited ultra-right’s endless accusations about -0bama’s place of birth. They want to avoid anything resembling the fact that it was their policies that defeated them.

Well said and I agree except for the fact that they dropped the ‘cap and tax’…. at least for now.

Their policies are bass-ackwards and that is the root of their downfall. BTW it was a RECORD SETTING squandering of power but they insist on blaming it on the minority party which has no power.

Yeah, right. No thinking person is buying that shit.

Another asshole uses the ‘A’ word…..

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2010/08/05/schultz-republicans-want-politically-assassinate-pres-obamas-agend

NBC keeps talking about ‘assassination’….. hmmmmmmmm.

Methinks a conspiracy doth appear…..

YOU RACIST BIRTHERS MAKE ME SICK!!! You right-wingers try so hard to tell people you aren’t racists. but when no one’s looking so start acting like the racists that you all are.
@butterdezillion racists like you are what making this country look like a joke repeating debunked lies by white supremists. maybe if you stop sucking on the teabaggers racist bs, you know that the birth certificate form is the official form paper of Hawaii!
@juan you keep proving the saying “Racist right” every factchecking websites prove that obama was born in Hawaii, those racist sites you put has as much credibility as the dumbass patrol known as Norbit and fear monger!
@Johnathan A Cohen you are the only one with common sense and intregity to factcheck and to research and not listen to the bias racist right!
They wanna try to prove they’re not racist, but they’re doing a horrible job! some tea party members and these idiots here keep showing their colors and the left is deemed racist or desperate. only difference is that we can prove that the right is racist!

This is what happens to racist who desicrate our military:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100805/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_army_birther#mwpphu-container

C.Moore, I’ll just use the Prop-8 argument on you and say we cannot help being racists, we did not choose to be racists, we were born that way. And as such you have to respect us for what we are and stop trampling on our right to be racist and no longer deny us our basic rights and freedoms as racists.

MartiniShark said:
C.Moore, I’ll just use the Prop-8 argument on you and say we cannot help being racists, we did not choose to be racists, we were born that way. And as such you have to respect us for what we are and stop trampling on our right to be racist and no longer deny us our basic rights and freedoms as racists.

DAY-UM!!!!!

“THE PROP-8 ARGUMENT!!

CLASSIC!

lanquihue said:
The birther thing is a stupid argument, if you scroll up, you’ll see that I think that birthers should move on to something else. However, when I see people post that stupid jpeg scan of an un-official fish wrap, I think, “Jesus Christ, and they think the _birthers_ are stupid!”

It’s a scan of an official document issued by the state of Hawaii who’s authenticity was verified by the Governor of Hawaii.

And I never said that birthers were stupid, just delusional. Case in point:

butterdezillion said:
JamesA1102, the birth announcements were not given by the HDOH, so they prove nothing. And we have proof that they were forged. There will be a post up on my blog about that soon, Lord willing. The forgers did a very bad job of covering their tracks. The fact that they had to forge birth announcements shows how desperate they were to try to come up with ANYTHING credible. The fact that the media and HDOH helped them perpetrate the fraud tells you how screwed this country really is, if we don’t wake up and demand that government, media, and law enforcement obey the rule of law.

So what color is the sky in your world?

Hawaii has never verified the authenticity of the Factcheck COLB. In fact, the HDOH has indirectly confirmed that Factcheck is a forgery. See http://www.butterdezillion.wordpress.com and click the link at the bottom of the About article to see the facts and documentation.

In addition, I’ve got an e-mail from Janice Okubo where she said that law forbids her from revealing even to law enforcement whether the Factcheck COLB is a forgery or genuine.

So if Hawaii verified the authenticity, as you say, then according to Okubo herself they have broken the law. Is that what you’re saying?

Also James2201 I’ll go gently with you because I haven’t posted the documentation yet so you could honestly believe that I’m a crackpot, but we know that the newspaper microfilms at at least 3 different libraries were changed out at least once (a couple of them actually at least twice) because scratch lines that were there in January were no longer on the same microfilm in February. Other stuff too, but that’s pretty blatant.

The documentation will be coming. Would have been out a long time ago if anybody in Hawaii government could be trusted. That, too, will eventually be revealed. These people are very, very sloppy.

Who else would use a proportional font to forge a document that was supposedly created by a typewriter in the 1960′s – as the forgers of the Dunham passport files did? Didn’t they learn ANYTHING from the Dan Rather Memogate?

butterdezillion et al;
I am posting this listing, once again, for several reasons. Including the fact that just this week I have added at least two new fact-check links to it.
I would strong suggest that you take the time to read/review all of them.
You seem to have time to seek out other stuff-this saves you a great deal of time on search engines.
And if you somehow have problems with the facts on any of them, please do not post them here.
All the sites, everyone of them, have a please contact us link. And many of them post questions sent to them with their direct answers.
I do understand and know that these are all from the internet but they are all from several well known and rather respected fact check sites. The very fact that they all have so many articles on this matter seems to bear out the last link all too well:
One on John McCain: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/may/12/born-usa/ This could be the real issue down the road for anyone else running for office who is a military brat. And an issue only the USSC can rule on. And rule on only after the election and swearing in.
http://factcheck.org/2010/05/the-obama-birth-chronicles-chapter-ccxcviii/index.html
http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/13/obamas-birth-certificate/
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/print_born_in_the_usa.html
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/jul/30/few-weak-links-chain/
http://www.politifact.com/subjects/obama-birth-certificate/
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthers/kagan.asp

This story, from Slate.com, seems to fit rather well:
Born Again
Why the “birther” myth refuses to die.
The “birther” myth is the political equivalent of a horror-movie villain: Not only does it refuse to die, but every time someone tries to kill it, it only comes back stronger.
http://www.slate.com/id/2251518?wpisrc=newsletter

Jonathan Cohen, you don’t seem to understand that I work with primary sources. I get my information directly from the people who are supposed to have the information.

I may well go to the sites you suggest and may use your list, because there is actually a federal law – the Federal General False Statement Act – which makes it a federal crime to deceive Congress, either by what you say or by what you don’t say.

Every one of those pages – especially the Factcheck pages, since they helped perpetrate what the HDOH itself has indirectly confirmed as a forged COLB – are evidence that these so-called “media sites” have committed a federal crime if they had been informed that their claims were inaccurate and refused to corect the inaccurate information. I know I contacted lots of sites to tell them they were inaccurate.

Perhaps I can have a lawyer assist me in writing up a summary of both the Federal General False Statement Act and the facts of what the HDOH has confirmed so that those sites can correct their many false statements. The damage has already been done. I have letters from my Congressmen saying that they trusted the (deceptive) statements by the media and by Fukino when deciding whether to contest the election results. The crime has already been committed. But maybe they can at least correct their false statements now.

I need to ask my Congressmen specifically which statements and media sources they were deceived by so I can request a formal investigation into those violations of the law.

Here is a link to an article about the law to which I refer:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/98-808.pdf

C.Moore said:
@juan you keep proving the saying “Racist right” every factchecking websites prove that obama was born in Hawaii, those racist sites you put has as much credibility as the dumbass patrol known as Norbit and fear monger!

FYI:

Playing that old race-card has backfired BIG TIME and doesn’t work anymore!

Also,

Obama’s “Birther” Strategy Has Backfired

http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2010/08/obamas-birther-strategy-has-backfired.html

butterdezillion;
I have to wonder just how many of the “direct sources” you have “spoken to” would, in truth, remember you at all?
I wonder, in part, because of what you have posted here is more POV than fact.
And you, once again, have skirted the whole list with a rahter tired, worn-out, dead horse of a reply.

Perhaps I should call them and ask about you. After all, no one here knows you and thus no one here
knows anything about you outside of what you take the time to post. And we all know that anyone can say just about anything here on the ‘net with very little to no proof at all to back it up.
Or at least you have no provide any real proof/evidence-the kind with foot notes and other real research that I have in my lists.

butterdezillion said:
Hawaii has never verified the authenticity of the Factcheck COLB. In fact, the HDOH has indirectly confirmed that Factcheck is a forgery.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-07-27-obama-hawaii_N.htm

You never answered my question, what color is the sky in your world?

butterdezillion said:
Also James2201 I’ll go gently with you because I haven’t posted the documentation yet so you could honestly believe that I’m a crackpot,

I don’t believe you’re a crackpot. I KNOW you’re a crackpot.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2009/jul/01/obamas-birth-certificate-final-chapter-time-we-mea/

Jonathan, they process thousands of requests in that office but if you ask Janice Okubo my name she would definitely know me. lol.

They passed a law just for me and my buddies. They wanted to stop having to obey their UIPA law, thought we were being too snoopy.

And if you had read the “Red Flags” post on my blog you would have known that. You haven’t read it yet have you? I’ve got copies of the e-mails I and my colleagues have received directly from the HDOH office.

JamesA1102, they said they have a birth certificate for Obama. They never said what they have is what is on Factcheck. And they never said that what they have is legally valid either. Check the quotes. You guys have to read more carefully. Read at Politifact and you will see that Okubo concluded that she could not say what the Factcheck image represents. More specifically, if you look at the e-mail she sent me personally, you will see her say that she believes Hawaii law prohibits her from telling EVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT whether or not Factcheck is a forgery.

Also, how would you explain scratches on the microfilm being gone a month later? It’s happened several times in several different libraries. I’ve got the documents.

You guys keep giving media sites which have done no research on primary sources. Okubo talking off the top of her head is hearsay. When she makes an official reply to a UIPA request, as my blog is full of, what she gives is required to be a truthful response after checking the actual records. In the official responses, Okubo has indirectly confirmed that Factcheck is a forgery. It’s documented on my blog.

Also you should know that Okubo claimed that the statement that Fukino made, saying she has seen the records (plural) which claim that Obama was born in Hawaii, was approved by the Hawaii AG office, but the AG office says they didn’t approve it. She was forbidden by law from saying it. If she had actually been claiming that Obama WAS born in Hawaii (and not just that the record CLAIMS he was) she would also have been overstepping her bounds because HRS 338-17 explains that an amended BC is not probative. Legally, nobody knows where he was born, when, or to whom. That hasn’t been legally determined yet.

If you’re not willing to look at the documentation I’ve got then it’s pointless to try to talk to you, though, because you’re not interested in documentation or facts. And that’s a really sad thing.

butterdezillion;
You dance rather well. Give POV’s/IMVHO as if they were facts.
Now if one were to take what you say at full fact value-You have done all your home work. You have spoken directly to all TPTB that should be in a position to know all.
You have directly seen all data, all paper work first hand.
You have spoken to major respected “legal eagles”.

I have seen nothing that indicated/indicates that at all.

You are also the only person on this board who has made a claim of being in the true know.
And in all the years I have been on the net, one of the very few who has ever directly said they within this kind of forum.
And for the most part, the other were either known to me personally or vetted by web master or mod.

So speaking only for myself, I do not have a clue who you are. Thus have nothing to base what you say on.

However, having been on line and on the net for many years, I have learned to take matters with a grain of salt. To check what I see and read on it. So over the years, I have made of list of hoax and fact check sites. All of them well known.

And they do their home work and show it all.

So between them (and yes I have even more than what you see in the list) and you-I believe them. Sorry.

And two other things came to mind while read your postings:
Why are there only two active cases? One is the civil case from the Doctor in CA. And the other military.
The civil one, from what I have seen this week, is about to die at the door of the USSC.
Military one-well it seems as if the will shortly be an EX-Doctor, EX-officer and gentleman.

And that is it. Rest is just a great deal of noise.
And your last comment is going to haunt you: “If you’re not willing to look at the documentation I’ve got then it’s pointless to try to talk to you, though, because you’re not interested in documentation or facts. And that’s a really sad thing.”

And by-the-by: The true case would have been Sen. John McCain. We can all agree on the fact that he was NOT born in the USA. NOT born in North America even.
After that, well that would have been up to the USSC to figure out. And as I pointed out, only after election and swearing in.
And court cases would have been filed that very day if not very moment.
His case, and any other military brat like him down the road , are the real questions.

butterdezillion said:
Jonathan, they process thousands of requests in that office but if you ask Janice Okubo my name she would definitely know me. lol. They passed a law just for me and my buddies. They wanted to stop having to obey their UIPA law, thought we were being too snoopy. And if you had read the “Red Flags” post on my blog you would have known that. You haven’t read it yet have you? I’ve got copies of the e-mails I and my colleagues have received directly from the HDOH office. JamesA1102, they said they have a birth certificate for Obama. They never said what they have is what is on Factcheck. And they never said that what they have is legally valid either. Check the quotes. You guys have to read more carefully. Read at Politifact and you will see that Okubo concluded that she could not say what the Factcheck image represents. More specifically, if you look at the e-mail she sent me personally, you will see her say that she believes Hawaii law prohibits her from telling EVEN LAW ENFORCEMENT whether or not Factcheck is a forgery. Also, how would you explain scratches on the microfilm being gone a month later? It’s happened several times in several different libraries. I’ve got the documents. You guys keep giving media sites which have done no research on primary sources. Okubo talking off the top of her head is hearsay. When she makes an official reply to a UIPA request, as my blog is full of, what she gives is required to be a truthful response after checking the actual records. In the official responses, Okubo has indirectly confirmed that Factcheck is a forgery. It’s documented on my blog. Also you should know that Okubo claimed that the statement that Fukino made, saying she has seen the records (plural) which claim that Obama was born in Hawaii, was approved by the Hawaii AG office, but the AG office says they didn’t approve it. She was forbidden by law from saying it. If she had actually been claiming that Obama WAS born in Hawaii (and not just that the record CLAIMS he was) she would also have been overstepping her bounds because HRS 338-17 explains that an amended BC is not probative. Legally, nobody knows where he was born, when, or to whom. That hasn’t been legally determined yet. If you’re not willing to look at the documentation I’ve got then it’s pointless to try to talk to you, though, because you’re not interested in documentation or facts. And that’s a really sad thing.

You never answered my question: what color is the sky in your world?

By the way, has anyone ever seen a copy of Bush’s birth certificate? Or Clinton’s? Or Reagan’s?

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
I think the majority of people answer this question politically. They don’t believe it is true but think they can hurt Obama by spreading the lie.

As Chris said, “They wouldn’t pass a lie detector test.”

I believe this about most of the Birthers on this board as well. They’re not stupid, they are just trying to do damage in any and every way they can, lying included.

Just for the record, I dont care where he was born, He ill serves this country. However, I wonder why, since it is a requirement to be an American Citizen, Natural Born, and some question it, why does not Congress or someone demand to see the legal proof and make it known to all Americans? Why is it that Americans are not entitled to that proof. Just askin..

For the following reasons:
Not a law of any kind so they just can not ask.
And, out side of the noise, they already know the real truth.
And as I pointed out, the person who would have had the real problem, as he is not a Natural Born Citizen, is
Sen John McCain.

Matthews has long been a pathetic caricature of the Obamaniacs who have come to populate the media, unfettered by fact or reality. His p.c. agenda is so transparent that it supersedes any claim on fact or reality that Matthews might have, and one wonders how he retains his position given his total lack of credibility or journalistic integrity.

This commentary is but 1 more example of his pathetic “reporting”. There is not 1 shred of factual evidence to back up anything Matthews claims here, incl. that Obama’s birth certificate has really been produced (not true), that those who question His birth status are “un-American” (whose criteria?), and or course always the final refuge of the p.c. types in the media, ‘it’s just racism” (where is there 1 iota of data to support that toxic accusation?)

Thank goodness for Fox as well as sites like this–it appears that at least here most of the commenters see through the facile b.s. of the Obamaslurps like Chris (“a thrill goes up my leg”) Matthews, Obermann,
Rachel Madcow, and others who are sad excuses for journalists, indeed.
Why indeed would Obama go to all the trouble and expense of trying to hide or “seal” his records, if he doesn’t have anything to hide? It’s just common sense that with all that smoke there, there’s undoubtedly something(s) he is trying extremely hard to hide. It’s truly amazing how the emotional responses of the p.c. types on the Left (“the world the way they would like it to be”) supersedes rational thought.