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Chris Matthews: Can Obama Still Win Reelection With High Unemployment Numbers?

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Chris Matthews today wondered how President Obama could get reelected with such high unemployment numbers to deal with. He brought up figures during the presidencies of FDR and Ronald Reagan, both of whom were nevertheless reelected. Matthews consulted the “Matthews Meter,” twelve of The Chris Matthews Show‘s regular panelists, and all but one of them agreed the president could be reelected even if unemployment stands at 8.5 percent.

Howard Fineman counted himself in the majority, arguing his position was valid because “it depends on the context” of the election, and predicted the Obama administration would explain high unemployment as a “new normal.” Jamie Tarabay and Kimberly Dozier agreed with Fineman, adding that the election outcome would also depend on the eventual GOP nominee and the influence of the tea party on the nominating process.

The Washington Post‘s David Ignatius suggested that Americans will vote based on the mood of the country and where they feel it’s headed as opposed to specific unemployment figures.

If people sense that markets aren’t in a free-fall, that we have a steady, solid leadership in Washington, or in the White House at least, I think that the president will have a strong case to make even if that unemployment rate is, in every other way, unacceptably high.

Fineman predicted Republicans in Congress would go all-out to paint the economic crisis as entirely Obama’s (as if this hasn’t been going on already), and that if the president wants to have the upper hand in negotiations with Congress, he needs to “trap his opponents into a deal that favors him.” All the panelists agreed that next year, when the presidential race is underway, Obama will be playing defense with the economy against his GOP rival.

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  • Anonymous

    I the MSM gives him the same cakewalk it did in “07 & ’08 then yes… he can win re-election.

  • Anonymous

    Instead of initiatives to improve our economy and create jobs the Dems have instead focused on social programs that may well be good but cost us more money. They’ve been brain dead to the problem of government spending and the need to just STOP. Unless they magically change their ideology I think they’ll be toast in the next election. Their best chance is to do well in local races. I think they’ve poisoned themselves for national office.

  • Anonymous

    No.

  • Anonymous

    Where does he get the 8.5%? August added a net 0 jobs and the trajectory is towards dwindling job creation. Next month it will be a negative # of jobs added and the house will see to it the rate is in double digit by 2012

  • Anonymous

    Don’t worry, Chrissie, Obama doesn’t care if he wins re-election. He and Michelle can enjoy “retirement” by setting up his library (after a bidding war between Univ. of Chicago and Northwestern), establish a “foundation” (like the Clintons, one that will wash his cronies “donations”), make MILLIONS the way Clinton has done since he left the Oval Office, enjoy vacations in elite locales without having to face criticism from the citizens who are paying for it, and travel by private jets belonging to his “friends.” Oh, it won’t be as “fun” as being the President, but after he and Michelle “purchase” the gifts they got from foreign dignitaries at reduced rates (the gifts from the Saudi King spring to mind and who knows what diamonds Michelle came away with after her trip to South Africa), they can still get their freebies from a variety of synchophants and not have the media scrutiny.

  • http://thefunemployed.blogspot.com/ rance

    what would he put in his library?  A display of his failure?

  • Anonymous

    Back then nobody knew Obama. I daresay that’s not true now. After the Bush years people were buying “Hope and Change”, with their own imaginations supplying the details of their salvation. That certainly isn’t going to work again. Unless the economy miraculously recovers, the only way he wins is by running a vicious negative campaign convincing voters that he’s not as bad as the other guy.

  • Anonymous

    Right now, I think he can win if the Republicans do what the Democrats did in 2004, which is to think that anybody can beat him.  The Dems thought that anyone could beat Bush in 2004 and well, we remember how that happened.  I think if the Republicans want to win, they need to start vetting the upcoming candidates and picking someone who could beat Obama.  It’s dangerous to think that anyone could do it.  After all, polls have shown that Obama isn’t the only one shouldering the blame for the problems with the economy.  Congress ain’t looking good as well, especially the House, which is Republican controlled.

  • Texan

    His birth “certificate?” LOL!

  • Anonymous

    No he can’t.

    No he won’t.

    No we won’t.

  • Anonymous

    The problem with Matthews’ premise is the same problem 0bama has.  They are both more worried about reelection than about actually fixing the problem.  0bama’s speech will no doubt be more about politics and positioning than about promoting an environment for job creation.  Just like every other time he has “focused on jobs like a laser”.   Tingles is only worried about how 0bama is perceived.  What a joke Matthews is.

  • Anonymous

    The Republicans won’t need to bother vetting anybody, the MSM is already digging into every aspect of the GOP candidates’ background, trying to find ANYTHING that will cast them in a negative light, blowing even the slightest transgression all out of proportion. I’m thinking that any candidate that survives this gauntlet will be worthy, indeed.

  • Anonymous

    This was supposed to be a reply to NotaPoliticalComic’s comment, not a separate comment. Oops!

  • Richie

    And Republicans are putting country over party? Gimme a break. Congress has a historic low approval of 12%!!! Most Americans disagree with you. They see Obama more interested in solving the country’s problems than the Republicans.

  • Anonymous

    Judging by the 2012 elections, they disagreed with the Dems. Try again.

    Oh and do show us where Obama’s plan is. Where’s his budget? Do tell.

  • Anonymous

    As far as that speech goes, WH aides are already furiously trying to damp down expectations, explaining that the address to the Joint Session is the first in a “continuing process” of revealing Obama’s proposals. I have a feeling that this won’t end well.

  • Anonymous

    You comment is dated.  The Dems have not focus on social programs since Johnson’s the Great Society.  If any thing, the ultra- right has focus on social legislation– anti-abortion, etc.

  • Anonymous

    You libs are braindead morons therefore anything is possible. 

    After all the pain & suffering we continue to endure in America at the hands of Obama through his ’ reperations ‘ based manifesto you idiots still believe in him as some sort of false god & saviour is proof positive you libs are definitelely not ” real ” Americans…….you’re some sort of sub human mutations…….a cancer on society if you will.
     

  • Anonymous

    A puppet show might be one thing. Another could be all of the messages from his “special” Blackberry. Another would be all of the emails sent from his staff from “off-site” locations, like the coffee shop they use. After that, I like Texan’s suggestion below. (As if…)

  • Anonymous

    If  it is negative, it takes us back to the Bush era.  The Obama Administration had stop the bleeding of job lost.   The decline in jobs, coincide with the GOP/TP take over of the House.  

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    The state of delirium expressed by this panel is incredible.

  • Anonymous

    The GOP/TP are campaigning so hard until they fail to see that a job crisis is occurring in this nation. They aren’t hoping that President Obama will
    offered up ideas that are so brilliant that even the House Republicans will
    get on board and quickly passed them
    into law, which would immediately improved 
    the jobs situation for all of
    America. 

  • Anonymous

    “Nothing is inevitable in history until five minutes before it happens.”  Joel Hurstfield

  • Anonymous

    There was not one factor that brought Pres.Obama to the White House in 2008, there were a multiple of factors that conjoined to bring him victory.  To be sure, the economy will be a factor, it always is; but nothing happens in a one-factor vacuum. The world is more complex than that.  To explain whether Pres. Obama is going to win or lose in 2012, a thorough inquiry into all relevant conditions and circumstances must be analyzed.

  • Anonymous

    It wouldn’t matter at the voting booth for the unemployed and for everyone else concerned by deteriorating state of the country economically and consequently politically… and it really doesn’t matter eventually. People vote results and results would not have gotten been this bad had this white house occupant had a scintilla of leadership

    Next two weeks will see a Bernanke event, an Obama speech and a Boehner speech. Guess who economists have anticipation for and will be giving an ear to? In order of relevance, Bernanke, then Boehner. And last and certainly least, if they have the time, the president’s whine-fest of a speech

  • Anonymous

    At the beginning of 2009, 32 million people were receiving food stamps, now that number has increased to a record 46 million, approximately 15% of the US population. Is that relevant?

    http://dailybail.com/home/chart-food-stamp-use-jumps-to-record-46-million-americans-15.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dronetek-Bulk-Vanderhuge/100000918732763 Dronetek Bulk Vanderhuge

    A bunch of liberal Democrats in the MSM think Obama can be reelected despite his horrible economy. Why should that surprise anyone? That’s what the media does now. They run cover for Obama and work to get him reelected. 

  • Robert White

    But, but.. he killed bin Laden!

  • Robert White

    They probably live in Washington DC. Times are not so bad there.

  • Robert White

    Bi-partisan support for bad ideas — more of the same bad ideas — would not really be an improvement.

  • Robert White

    I think the reason Congress has only 12% approval is that half of the other 88% hates the Democrats and half hate the Republicans and some of them hate both. It’s more of an indication of the polarization of the electorate than disgust just with a single party.

  • Robert White

    “Tingles”.  I love it.

  • Robert White

    Speaking of “No he can’t”, here is a commentary from Ezra Levant comparing Canada’s economy to the US economy, specifically since Obama’s policies are very different from the policies Canada followed. At the 7-minute mark there is a very interesting chart showing what happened to job growth as soon as Obamacare was passed.

    http://ezralevant.com/2011/09/no-he-cant.html

  • Anonymous

    Just because MSDNC is a 24/7 member of the “Obama Re-Election Network” doesn’t seem to make Chrissy Poo and his ilk understand one thing:

    THE COUNTRY WANTS OBAMA GONE. FINISHED. GO BACK TO CHICAGO AND VANISH. DON’T WRITE BOOKS, DON’T DO SPEECHES. JUST GET LOST ALREADY.

    Obama and the Dems have done enough damage to this country in the past three years. The only thing we have to worry about is that we have to suffer with this cancer in the White House for another 16 months.

    But after that, whatever Republican wins will have a heavy plate to try to undo four years of Obamaism and Obamanomics that have devastated this country. We need to start now, opposing this Scumbag-in-Chief in whatever ways we can.

  • Anonymous

    That’s not delirium…its insanity and denial brought on by the mental illness that liberalism causes to the brain.

  • Anonymous

    Chris, will ya  forget Obama was “black for an hour tonight” and do ya still think it is still a stunning picture when Gov Richardson supported Barry and you said  what a sight it was to have ” a very white but technically Latino governor endorsing the half-black Obama”?

  • Anonymous

    The President can’t force corporations to hire and he does not have one vote in Congress. He can use the bully pulpit bully to identify the crisis correctly and offers up ideas which seem eminently reasonable to the average American.  If the Republican House then promptly blocks all of these ideas, he will have to take it to the American people in the 2012 election. His contrasting vision will show how he is trying to put Americas back to work, but the GOP/TP is stopping him. The American public is hungering for less politics, not more; they want solutions.

  • Anonymous

    Just wait.  He’s been frocusing on writing that jobs speech with the same laser beam he used to focus on jobs the first 2.5 years of his administration.  So be prepared for a really big speech. So big he could afford to take a 2-week vacation before scheduling it on top of the Republican debates, but then moved it to compete with the Green bay game. 

    But, yeah, he really does have his act together this time.  Let’s see – Bush’s fault, invasion of the ATM machines, Tea Party holding government hostage over their silly notions of government fiscal responsibility.  Yep, all of the salient points are lined up.

  • Anonymous

    It is correct that more people are receiving food stamps, but it must be put in context of the collapsing financial institutions.  The figures alone do not explain why there was an increase in food stamp  Inquiry into all relevant conditions and circumstances must be analyzed.

  • Anonymous

    All true but moot and irrelevant. Taking it to the American people is even more pathetic. Yes Americans want less politics and that translates to Romney… or anyone else, just an Obama-less white house. And believe me this is coming from an Obama supporter

  • Anonymous

     They can’t do that(blow him in the media) this time around, they also can’t run against Bush. Americans voted Obama in to fix George Bush’s mess, so we’re familiar with Obama at this point.. Now we’ll vote someone else in to fix Obama’s mess. His choir can keep singing all day long, it wont do them a bit of good.

  • Anonymous

    What do you call Obama’s health care legislation? An economic stimulus? 

  • Anonymous

    The American people will be the ultimate deciders.

  • Anonymous

    Yes,  it is a major stimulus for the health care industry, especially insurance companies.   It will also reduce the deficit in the out years.

  • Anonymous

    But Robert White, we do not know if the are going to be bad ideas.  We do not know what the President is going to say, we can  merely speculate, and pray for the best.

  • Anonymous

    We do know what he’s going to say.  It’s been leaking out for the last several days.  Short term payroll tax holidays, stimulus on ‘infrastructure’.  The exact same pablum as before.  Unless of course he’s listening to batshit crazy Maxine Waters.  Trillion dollar or more stimulus.

  • Anonymous

    I’m replying to EXACTLY what Matthews said.  You’re deflecting.  0bama has been playing politics since day 1, he begets what he’s sown.

  • Anonymous

    You must have been asleep for the last 2 1/2 years.  Crass political games are all the Dims (D) have been doing. 

  • Anonymous

    Why even request a joint session if the plan is to continually release ideas?  Shouldn’t this be his big ball ‘o wax?  They’re playing more political horse crap.  “A little here”… “stay tuned for a little more”… “we have more coming”… “we’re focused like a laser”… “wait till next month”…  “don’t forget, it’s Bush’s fault”…  “remember our bad luck”… “brinksmanship”… “Marxism”  “oops, did we say that out loud?”

  • Anonymous

    Ask Jimmy Carter.

  • http://twitter.com/SailRabbits Magister

    Matthews had graphics for his setup and read from the prompter, but he didn’t mention that just like Reagan and Roosevelt benefited from caveats, Ford, Carter and H.W. had other factors against them. The question can’t be asked in a vacuum because the setup, history and the panelists all point toward there being no absolute rule.

  • Anonymous

    Can Chris LegThrill Matthews continue to have a TV show with such low viewership numbers?

  • http://www.davidjkramer.co.cc// DavidKramer

    Chrissy, how are those voting machines going being made in Venezuela?
    http://www.homelandstupidity.us/2006/03/31/venezuelas-involvement-in-us-elections/

  • NeverWrong

    I have always maintained that women age gracefully and should not get all the facelifts and plastic surgery like the Hollywood types unless one was tragically injured or burned or some such. As we all know our Mom’s and Grandmothers look just as good to us as they get older as they did when we were all younger and the thought of them having some doc cutting their face up is not a good thought.

    However, everytime I look at Chrissy ‘Tingles & Thrills’ Matthews and how bad he looks all I can think about is taking up a collection and let Hollywood’s very best Plastic Surgeon work on old Tingles for a couple years. Good grief he is aging faster than time should allow. That tingling leg of his is doing a number on his face and neck. Maybe blood is not going upstairs because of the leg tingles and thrills Chrissy gets over the Obumbler.  Chrissy, seek help old man, seek help like there is no tomorrow. Take a few years off and learn how to relax. As it is nobody is watching your show anyway. No need to thank me for this free advice.

  • Anonymous

     Yep. Obama had a great campaign, but anyone would’ve won, we were sick and tired of Bush’s dumbass. He’s the man in charge now,a nd times are tough. The voters wont be kind to him.

  • Anonymous

    Which is why most Republicans wont vote for Palin or Bachmann. Even if they like them, they’re not stupid enough to throw their votes away. 

  • Anonymous

    The Republicans were right on Health Care, they failed on just about everything else. the voters don’t think rationally though. We all voted in Obama because we hated Bush, anyone could’ve won. It wont be a cakewalk for the repubs, but the voters wont really care. if they’re frustrated enough Obama will get tossed out. And unemployment is frustrating the shit out of voters. 

  • insideguy

     How will there be less politics if a republican gets in? I really think most people are delusional. Do you really believe if a republican gets in that the democrats are just going to lay down and let them do what they want? Its going to be a bloodbath and possibly even uglier than its been under Obama. Nothing will get accomplished because the democrats will remember what happened to Obama. The one thing a minority party can do is be unified as the republicans have shown. Once your in power is when the cracks begin to emerge.

  • insideguy

    Oh they are plenty stupid just give them time.

  • unmutual

    As sad as it may seem, Obama can win re-election. The republicans have to screw up and the media has to work overtime to prop Obama up. One possibilty is likely, the other is assured.

  • unmutual

    As compared to Obama and his anti semite. anti american church or his admission in his biography that he befriended the most radical of radicals. what must a republican do to be deemed not worthy of election? Murder someone? Molest children? Give way state secrets? Obama and his genuflecting media have set the bar pretty damn low.

  • Anonymous

     Another right wing scum using the fag-bashing angle. You are never wrong since all you say is just a bunch of childish garbage that means nothing.

  • Anonymous

     That was really ugly and crude, but so are you.

  • Anonymous

    Ask G.H.W. Bush.

  • Anonymous

    You TeaBagger Cult members from the Dark Side underestimate the Force that Obama is!

    The TeaBagger Cult is about to get bulldozed!

    Enjoy!!!

  • Glutton

    It depends on who the Republicans nominate. If they nominate Romney or Paul, then no, Obama can’t win. If the Republicans nominate Perry or Bachmann, then yes, Obama can win.

  • Anonymous

    Corporations holding onto (‘hoarding’) trillions with which to hire people are going to continue holding onto that cash until Obamo has been stuck with his own pitchfork…done. Then, and only then, will hiring start and marked improvement in the economy occur. The obvious and lasting conclusion is that it was ‘Obamo’s fault’ all along.

    The jerk who spent his four years bashing the private sector will get bashed right back, and it will be so GREAT to see.

    Oh, and also: perpetual Republican majorities going forward because people will equate miserable times with the DIM LIB party.

  • TXarc

    Down with the vile and hateful teabaggers.

  • Ralph

    See a focus group can’t tell you the Machiavellian dynamics.

    If they reduce unemployment by 1% from Labor Day 2012 to Election Day 2012, then people must ask a basic question.  Should they re-elect a President who just doesn’t care unless it impacts his re-election, or should they admit that Washington is powerless to change the economy in any real way?

    Based on my experience with people, they’ll sooner opt for a reality where someone evil is in control rather than one where everyone is powerless.

    We now return you to your regular programming.

  • ExPat ExLawyer

    Given the hyphenated-guest’s announced former membership in the Bush administration, is Tommy’s point that omitting the McCain connection failed to portray him as more of a liberal?  Tommy has really been ‘majoring in minors’ lately. I mean, knocking Christiane from the left? Really?

  • caconservative

    How did you arive at that conclusion?

  • http://twitter.com/runforfun54 Ilene K

    Question should be: Can the President win reelection with the most obstructionist and disrespectful Congress in History!?????

  • Anonymous

    Um..no Chris..he won’t be reelected. How’s that tingle coming along? Was it the left–or the right leg? Anyway..should be better soon enough.

  • Anonymous

    I think the president can win because the American people know the real problem is the TEA party extremist. This confrontational element has corrupted the mainstream GOP and rendered them defunct and obsolete!We must be careful because TEA party members are running under the banner of GOP centrist, when in fact they are TEA extremist like Perry of Texas! Maxine Waters is right – We should spend to get our economy back to prosperity at the expense of the confrontational TEA party extremist! This confrontational coalition has gained local level controls, mustered state level of legislation and now seek national domination of our America! ”This economic downturn obviously began before President Obama took office, and is rooted in the financial crisis of 2008 and in Bush administration policies. But over four years, presidents come to own the economy and, fairly or not, are expected to take responsibility for it.” – This does not hold water as the Congress controls laws, taxes, finances and the economy. The president is the Executive branch and has no real control of the monies in any way or laws and cannot hire us out of this economy! The 111th Congress passed legislation that has been attacked by the current 112th Congress which has garnered the title of “do nothing-inhibit the president” Congress. The 112th Congress will again do nothing as their entire concentration is to stymie the president and kill every bill passed by the last Congress. These Yahoos should raise the heads out of the FOX hole and see the real world and not listen to the the prejudiced and bigoted Sen. Mitch McConnell, from Kentucky, the minority leader with the greatest cunning and sharpest knife, who signaled his party’s true purpose last year when he proclaimed: “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.” Vote Out TEA Edicts!

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_5PJ7G2BIOETJMKN7GFD3HMJEG4 Allan McKinnon

    Anybody who doesn’t vote for OBama because of the high unemployment rate will get the gift that keeps on giving, HIGHER UNEMPLOYMENT RATES.

  • LJB57

    No…Obama is toast!

    …the question is, will Chris Mattews ever sober up?

  • Anonymous

    If people sense that markets aren’t in a free-fall, that we have a steady, solid leadership in Washington, or in the White House at least, I think that the president will have a strong case to make even if that unemployment rate is, in every other way, unacceptably high.”

    This is proof that David Ignatius is just a simpleton and retard who licks Obama’s asshole as if it smells like lilacs.

  • Anonymous

    I think the president can win because the American people know the real problem is the TEA party extremist.”

    Yep, things were going so well before those “Tea Party Extremist [sic]” were elected last November, and took power this January.

    Did you mother know that you died at birth?

  • Anonymous

    Up yours, asshole.

    Oh, and your Mother was lousy in bed. She looks like you, but with a 5 o’clock shadow.

  • Anonymous

    You TeaBagger Cult members from the Dark Side underestimate the Force that Obama is!”

    Oh, so THAT Is how Obama is going to win!

    He is going to choose Luke Skywalker as his running mate!

    Yeah…that’s the ticket!

  • Anonymous

    On MSDNC, aka “The Comedy Network”?

    Matthews has 10 viewers, and on that channel that IS high ratings!

  • Anonymous

    We need the return of the 2 BushDrunks!

  • Anonymous

    I suppose you would prefer Carter.

  • Anonymous

    Nice avatar, too bad you are completely incorrect.

  • Anonymous

    Despite the Congress, which was in the bag for him until the last election, this president has done so many things so poorly that unemployment numbers are the least of his worries. The instability of the stock exchanges here are affecting the world wide economy, and his rule by executive order are just the icing on the cake.

    Obama is done and will not be reelected. Prepare for regime change, it is coming.

  • Anonymous

    When you find one show me. I have not met a tea party member who is hateful of vile.

    I have met several libtard progressives who are.

    By the way, teabagger is what they called you in prison.

  • Anonymous

    When you find one show me. I have not met a tea party member who is hateful of vile.

    I have met several libtard progressives who are.

    By the way, teabagger is what they called you in prison.

  • Anonymous

    TeaBagger is what they used to call you in the state pen.

  • Anonymous

    Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country.

  • Anonymous

    Today I was at a Borders book store that is being liquidated. Stacked on one table was a large number of Obama and his wife’s boxed set of photo albums. At $75.00 original, marked down to $3.00 each no one was buying them. No one was even looking at them.

    Kind of tells the story – here in upstate New York.

  • Globalron

    You are seriously deranged….sorry.

  • Globalron

    OH!!! You feeble-minded IDIOT!!! Obama can’t force corporations to hire but he CAN create environments where they either will or will not hire. He chooses the later for his political and ideological purposes. If he has a single clue what he is doing and continues status quo….he IS a terrorist. A muslim terrorist, I might add. This is and has been their primary objective. And they said, “The weakest, slowest and most fearful minds will fall first. You, sir, are the personification of this pathetic description. GROW SOME BALLS!!!!

  • Globalron

    No…that would be in the Obama Museum!!

  • Globalron

    TobyTuckker….you forgot the MSM other trick… “inventing” things that never happened.

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