Wrong, Zakaria. Glenn Beck’s math is right. 5 out of every 3 Muslims want to blow up the US.

Thelonious Funk said:
Wrong, Zakaria. Glenn Beck’s math is right. 5 out of every 3 Muslims want to blow up the US.

Glen beck and Thelonious are wack jobs. Do you even have a clue how many Muslims are in this country and the world. To make such a crazy statement shows you need to be committed!

Bigot!

I already called him out on it, but what’s the point on wasting time on it. He makes spelling mistakes on his chalkboard on TV, without shame. So for not being good in maths is not a big deal with him He is a dumb shit, and those who pay attention or take him seriously should check themselves.

Thelonious Funk said:
Wrong, Zakaria. Glenn Beck’s math is right. 5 out of every 3 Muslims want to blow up the US.

This is a perfect example of a Glenn Beck flower. This joker can take out 5 out of every Muslims, and having -2 left.
So in his logic, we can only trust -2 Muslims.
Thanks.

Or I was just making fun of Beck’s math skills.

hell it was a joke on Funk’s part, damn i see that lol

Thelonious Funk said:
Or I was just making fun of Beck’s math skills.

You gotta be explicit,, VERY explicit,, they’re DEMOCRATS

Thelonious Funk said:
Or I was just making fun of Beck’s math skills.

I got the joke, but apparently some people need a /sarcasm tag.

As for Zakaria’s segment, it’s too bad some conservative commenter’s sockpuppet has claimed “hahaha” because it’d be appropriate here. Beck and Stu were pwned.

Keep in mind that, as a Mormon, Beck’s religious beliefs prominently involve John Smith, the state of Missouri, and some imaginary scrolls. Also, keep in mind that Beck’s religious beliefs are not recognized as Christian by any major sect of Christianity.

Albert said:
Glen beck and Thelonious are wack jobs. Do you even have a clue how many Muslims are in this country and the world. To make such a crazy statement shows you need to be committed! Bigot!

…and you’re an idiot with spelling and/or attention deficit issues…

‘
To hell with Beck’s math,,
My math,,
ONE Muslim Terrorist is ONE TOO DAMN MANY!

Let’s try what we can to make that number ZERO!

Didn’t Mediaite already show where Beck’s numbers came from, explain what he was referencing, and show that “technically” he was right… altough it didn’t “feel good” to say as such.

Apparently Mr Zakaria doesn’t read Mediaite. But that’s okay… apparently, neither does Frances.

ImNotBlue said:
Didn’t Mediaite already show where Beck’s numbers came from, explain what he was referencing, and show that “technically” he was right… altough it didn’t “feel good” to say as such.

Apparently Mr Zakaria doesn’t read Mediaite. But that’s okay… apparently, neither does Frances.

LMAO!
I’m going with Beck on this,, i dont give a chit what Fareed says!

10% to me is low balling it
Let’s just say,, i aint feelin’ a whole lot of 90% peace coming our way!!

OUR,, how about taking your 90% and doing something about your lousy 10%,,
or whatever F’n lower number you think it is!!!

Fact: With a lisp like Fareed Zakaria has how can you tell what the freak says? Sounds like tweety bird!

skyfet said:
good in maths

Who are you to “call out” anyone for grammar or spelling mistakes?
You are an ignorant fool.

skyfet said:
This joker can take out 5 out of every Muslims, and having -2 left.

What does this sentence mean? You jerk.

@Atticus Draco: We’ve never had a world without terrorism. I don’t know how one would be achieved and quite frankly, while I believe in the social contract and the golden rule, I wouldn’t want to live in total conformity and complete acquiescence. I value my freedom to dissent.

We have a Muslim problem not a Christian problem. Jews are not the problem, Muslims are the problem.

Fareed Sackofwhat? Who dat”

“In his trademark soothing tones, Zakaria gave Beck a math lesson on those 10%, or 157 million, “Muslim terrorists” Beck claimed were plotting to attack America– namely, that that figure is “1000% wrong.”

However, Mediaite puts a link to their article (in THAT sentence no less) where it clearly states that what Glenn actually said was he wanted to know why the media aren’t covering the growing scourge of Communists and Socialists preaching a violent overthrow here in America. He even proposed that 0.5% of Americans may be violent radicals.
Hmm, nope, I don’t see the word Muslim in there anywhere.

So it’s very nice that Fareed is going to prove something 1000% wrong that Glenn didn’t say.

If someone is going to discredit another, they should stick with truth and go from there. This is really a stupid thing to focus on here since the entire premise of what Glenn’s point was had to do with American socialists and communists calling for violence. Why don’t they prove THAT wrong? Oh wait……..

gordonbloyershow said:
Who are you to “call out” anyone for grammar or spelling mistakes?
You are an ignorant fool.

And you’re old, fat, balding, buck-toothed and creepy. So?

The pandering and love affair for Muslims and there religion in America needs to stop on the left.
It amazes me to see the liberals attack Christians with such vigor and hate but why ,WHY on this earth stand up for and protect a religion that degrades women and gays along with promotes violence on non believers.
What is wrong with you people?

gordonbloyershow said:
We have a Muslim problem not a Christian problem. Jews are not the problem, Muslims are the problem.

Gordon Blowhard, you’re an idiot. Everything you say is so stupid it’s painful. Muslims are no more dangerous than Christians, and radical muslims are just as dangerous as radical christians. Whenever anyone gets radicalized, it’s dangerous and that’s the point. If you think Christians don’t have blood all over their hands, you’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

LibertySister said:
The pandering and love affair for Muslims and there religion in America needs to stop on the left.
It amazes me to see the liberals attack Christians with such vigor and hate but why ,WHY on this earth stand up for and protect a religion that degrades women and gays along with promotes violence on non believers.
What is wrong with you people?

If you think Christians haven’t degraded women and gays, then you’ve obviously never read the bible. As far as I’m concerned, Muslims and Christians can all just go to hell.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: With a lisp like Fareed Zakaria has how can you tell what the freak says? Sounds like tweety bird!

So you’re not disputing the substance?

Atticus Draco said:
‘
To hell with Beck’s math,,
My math,,
ONE Muslim Terrorist is ONE TOO DAMN MANY!

Let’s try what we can to make that number ZERO!

That’s about as naïve as Obama saying we can rid the world of nuclear weapons! Get back to reality, Draco!

Oh yeah, Reagan said it, too. The man Republicans are gay for wanted to rid the world of nuclear weapons, but Obama gets blasted for it!

By the way, I didn’t forget the two dots above the ‘ï’ in naïve.

gordonbloyershow said:
Who are you to “call out” anyone for grammar or spelling mistakes?
You are an ignorant fool.

Gordo, he was doing the same thing Funk did. He spelled maths wrong on purpose. And ol’ Bloyer fell for it. Talk about an ignorant fool.

tgk said:
“In his trademark soothing tones, Zakaria gave Beck a math lesson on those 10%, or 157 million, “Muslim terrorists” Beck claimed were plotting to attack America– namely, that that figure is “1000% wrong.” However, Mediaite puts a link to their article (in THAT sentence no less) where it clearly states that what Glenn actually said was he wanted to know why the media aren’t covering the growing scourge of Communists and Socialists preaching a violent overthrow here in America. He even proposed that 0.5% of Americans may be violent radicals.Hmm, nope, I don’t see the word Muslim in there anywhere. So it’s very nice that Fareed is going to prove something 1000% wrong that Glenn didn’t say. If someone is going to discredit another, they should stick with truth and go from there. This is really a stupid thing to focus on here since the entire premise of what Glenn’s point was had to do with American socialists and communists calling for violence. Why don’t they prove THAT wrong? Oh wait……..

This the way the Beck haters work. They put words in his mouth that he didn’t say and then they attack what they claim he said.

Remember GBR, he said we would be hearing some BIG bombshell about Beck?
What happened GBR? Just another lie, lol.

So by Glenn Beck’s logic, everyone here who hates Muslims is a terrorist. Then, my all means, let’s destroy the terrorists! Wipe them off the face of the earth!

John Michael said:
Gordo, he was doing the same thing Funk did. He spelled maths wrong on purpose. And ol’ Bloyer fell for it. Talk about an ignorant fool.

Sorry pal, he is not that smart. Neither are YOU.

jjay7381 said:
you’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.

YOU never had a thought.

gordonbloyershow said:
Sorry pal, he is not that smart. Neither are YOU.

Wow great come back, Gordon Blowhard. You’ve once again showed up to the battle of the wit unarmed.

gordonbloyershow said:
YOU never had a thought.

Do your grandkids think you’re funny, Gordon Blowhard? Cause your humor is pretty much on the “awkward angry old man” level.

Newsjunky said:
And you’re old, fat, balding, buck-toothed and creepy. So?

And you are a lying socialist communist fool hiding behind a phony name. Oh, I forgot and a coward too.

A CNN host attacks Glenn Beck? What a surprise. Of course, don’t be misled, CNN is actually a fair, impartial, call-it-down-the-middle network. The fact that everyone who works there is a liberal Democrat is irrelevant, and has no impact on how they cover news. And it’s purely coincidence that they regularly bury stories that might reflect poorly on the President. And got rid of Lou Dobbs. And chased away Glenn Beck. And hid the ClimateGate scandal. And wouldn’t report on the Acorn abuses. And ran a disinformation campaign on the tea parties. And consistently put on guests who equate Republicans with racists. And downplay all the bad economic news and Afghanistan casualties. And continually take cheap shots at Sarah Palin. Etc. etc. etc.

gordonbloyershow said:
Sorry pal, he is not that smart. Neither are YOU.

You look like you’ve got some spunk on that filthy mustache of yours.

skyfet said:
I already called him out on it, but what’s the point on wasting time on it. He makes spelling mistakes on his chalkboard on TV, without shame. So for not being good in maths is not a big deal with him He is a dumb shit, and those who pay attention or take him seriously should check themselves.

Skyfet

I am not you should be the person to call anyone out on “spelling mistakes”

Take a good look at what you just wrote especially the 3rd “Skyfet sentence.

“So for not being good in maths is not a big deal with him He is a dumb shit, and those who pay attention or take him seriously should check themselves.”

What are you trying to say and how many “MATHS” are you talking about???? Just Saying Partner… Just Saying!

In case you have never heard this…..”Most People who point fingers usually have three pointing back at themselves” I know…it is an old saying…but it proves correct one more time.

felixw said:
A CNN host attacks Glenn Beck? What a surprise. Of course, don’t be misled, CNN is actually a fair, impartial, call-it-down-the-middle network. The fact that everyone who works there is a liberal Democrat is irrelevant, and has no impact on how they cover news. And it’s purely coincidence that they regularly bury stories that might reflect poorly on the President. And got rid of Lou Dobbs. And chased away Glenn Beck. And hid the ClimateGate scandal. And wouldn’t report on the Acorn abuses. And ran a disinformation campaign on the tea parties. And consistently put on guests who equate Republicans with racists. And downplay all the bad economic news and Afghanistan casualties. And continually take cheap shots at Sarah Palin. Etc. etc. etc.

He didn’t attack Glenn Beck, he simply pointed out the absurdity of his claim and disproved it. It’s not an attack, it’s journalism. I don’t expect people who watch Fox News to understand that concept though.

Albert said:
Glen beck and Thelonious are wack jobs.

Albert said:
Bigot!

Uh, no, that would be you.

skyfet said:
This joker can take out 5 out of every Muslims, and having -2 left.

gordonbloyershow said:
What does this sentence mean? You jerk.

The sentence definitely doesn’t make any sense taken out of context. Even in context it doesn’t make much sense, but folks knew what he meant. One thing I did notice is that ol’ Gordo never passes up an opportunity for a personal attack. Typical Republican. Skyfet misses a couple words in a sentence which makes it hard to understand, and suddenly he’s a jerk. How does that work?

BatBoy said:
I am not you should be the person to call anyone out on “spelling mistakes”

For that matter, me either … ““spelling mistakes”!

Newsjunky said:
You look like you’ve got some spunk on that filthy mustache of yours.

Hahaha, totally! Doesn’t Gordon Blowhard look like the kind of guy that sits outside of parks in his white van with binoculars?

jjay7381 said:
He didn’t attack Glenn Beck, he simply pointed out the absurdity of his claim and disproved it. It’s not an attack, it’s journalism. I don’t expect people who watch Fox News to understand that concept though.

What a funny joke you made. And, by your same logic, Glenn Beck has never attacked Obama. So I hope you will point that out the next time someone accuses Beck of racism, etc.

Newsjunky said:
And you’re old, fat, balding, buck-toothed and creepy. So?

Says the girly man, tee hee. So?

gordonbloyershow said:
And you are a lying socialist communist fool hiding behind a phony name. Oh, I forgot and a coward too.

He might be a gay space alien too. Don’t forget that.

felixw said:
What a funny joke you made. And, by your same logic, Glenn Beck has never attacked Obama. So I hope you will point that out the next time someone accuses Beck of racism, etc.

The difference is that Zakaria is correctly representing facts and not making it personal. Beck is pulling his attacks on Obama largely out of fantasy, ignorance and whatever he can find in the deepest darkest corners of the internet.

jjay7381 said:
As far as I’m concerned, Muslims and Christians can all just go to hell.

Hey, vajayjjay, no one here cares what concerns you.

Patrick Henry said:
Hey, vajayjjay, no one here cares what concerns you.

Wow, good one. Did you think of that one last night while you were sleeping with your cousin?

ImNotBlue said:
Didn’t Mediaite already show where Beck’s numbers came from, explain what he was referencing, and show that “technically” he was right… altough it didn’t “feel good” to say as such. Apparently Mr Zakaria doesn’t read Mediaite. But that’s okay… apparently, neither does Frances.

Apparently. Maybe they just read this tidbit from the first “OMG! Glenn Beck said 10% of Muslims are terrorists!” article:

We’re going to give Beck the benefit of the doubt and assume this was just an example of unwisely rattling off a made-up figure and that he doesn’t actually think there are 150,000,000 Muslim terrorists running around. I mean, can you imagine how crowded those caves would be? Seriously though, it’s blanket quotes like this that just make people seem foolish. 10% may not seem like a lot in most cases but, when you’re talking about the second largest religion in the world…

Expect one of two things to happen now: either Beck apologizes (which he should) or he accuses the the inevitable scandal this causes of merely being in place to shift focus away from all those Socialists. I’d give either a 50-50 shot but, then again, I’m as bad at numbers as Beck appears to be.

…and failed to read this from the second “OMG! Glenn Beck said 10% of Muslims are terrorists!” article:

Well, here it is: I’m sorry. You appear to be right.

Of course, Jon Bershad had to go and dig himself a deeper hole:

However, when you use stats that make it sounds like I could go to any 10 person Muslim family in America and find a bomb in one of their rooms, when they’re actually saying large portions of the Middle East wishes ill and violence against American civilians, it’s dangerous.

Look, I know my argument is more about feelings than facts and I know it’s a little flimsy.

Pablo correctly called out Mr. Bershad:

Pablo said:
No, it doesn’t make it sound like that. 10% of Muslims is 10% of Muslims, not 10% of American Muslims. Further, it isn’t “dangerous” to note that some percentage of American Muslims IS dangerous. We seem to find several of them a year engaging in plots to kill Americans, and like Nidal Hasan and Abdul Hakim Mujahid Muhammad, sometimes succeeding. But that isn’t what Beck said and the fact that you could misconstrue it doesn’t make it “sound like” anything other than what it was.

Pablo said:
Yeah. When your argument is “You’re pulling facts out of your ass!” feelings aren’t going to carry you to victory. You need the facts, and there goes one now.

Something like this happened a while back at Mediaite, but it was Glynnis Macnicol who failed to read Francis Martel’s article.

gordonbloyershow said:
And you are a lying socialist communist fool hiding behind a phony name. Oh, I forgot and a coward too.

And you’re a creepy old bitch who hasn’t been out of his windowless basement in months. Sitting there, nude in front of your computer, sporting a tiny wrinkled up woody, as you type out a bunch of worthless drivel in the comment sections of various websites, hoping other fringe goofballs will befriend you. The only light in your cramped little basement coming from your 12 inch CRT monitor … Surrounded by stacks of old porn magazines and empty bottles of Gordons Vodka … Waiting on your poor 92 year old mother to bring you another bottle. Like I said, you’re just a creepy old man.

Newsjunky said:
You look like you’ve got some spunk on that filthy mustache of yours.

The girly man wishes he could grow a mustache, tee hee.

gordontheignorantblowhardwithashow says:
“Remember GBR, he said we would be hearing some BIG bombshell about Beck?
What happened GBR? Just another lie, lol.”

The author has submitted his article to his publisher, you ignorant blow hard! They may wait until Time Magazine picks their person of the year to publish it as that would give his story more legs if Beck is selected. Either way, it will be in the next week.

No Gordon, this isn’t a lie. I don’t lie. In fact, I’ve wiped your stupidity all over the floor every time you accuse me of lying.
It happened with Beck’s “insane” (his word) investments in gold collector’s coins, and it is going to happen with this bombshell of an article about Beck and the skeleton in his closet.

I’m glad I’m not the only one to notice this about YOU:
jjay7381 says:

“Gordon Blowhard, you’re an idiot. Everything you say is so stupid it’s painful. Muslims are no more dangerous than Christians, and radical muslims are just as dangerous as radical christians. Whenever anyone gets radicalized, it’s dangerous and that’s the point. If you think Christians don’t have blood all over their hands, you’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.”

I have to add one thing: Gordon, like Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh, you’re a real a-hole. Your mother must be proud.

Facts? What facts? Fareed Zakaria is a Muslim apologizer, no different than a gun hater quoting statistics that fit his agenda.
http://politicallyincorrectlibertarian.wordpress.com/

I find it interesting how the teabloggers here aren’t commenting on Mr. Zakaria’s point, but rather pulling the same biased media talking point.

BatBoy said:
I am not you should be the person to call anyone out on “spelling mistakes”

Take a good look at what you just wrote especially the 3rd “Skyfet sentence.

You are calling out Skyfet for a grammar mistake?

What does “I am not you should be the person… ”

And what’s with the random quote after “especially the 3rd” and the random capitalization of the “p” in people?

Three mistakes in one post, and you call out Skyfet?

BTW, Skyfet added the ‘s’ onto math on purpose, but satire is lost on you dittoheads.

In case you have never heard this: ”Most People who point fingers usually have 3 pointing back at themselves” I know…it is an old saying…but it proves correct one more time.

jjay7381 said:
Wow, good one. Did you think of that one last night while you were sleeping with your cousin?

Wow, good one vajajjay. Even so, no one here cares about what concerns you.

Lovin’ all the grammar lessons I’m getting here today!

tgk said:
“In his trademark soothing tones, Zakaria gave Beck a math lesson on those 10%, or 157 million, “Muslim terrorists” Beck claimed were plotting to attack America– namely, that that figure is “1000% wrong.”

However, Mediaite puts a link to their article (in THAT sentence no less) where it clearly states that what Glenn actually said was he wanted to know why the media aren’t covering the growing scourge of Communists and Socialists preaching a violent overthrow here in America. He even proposed that 0.5% of Americans may be violent radicals.
Hmm, nope, I don’t see the word Muslim in there anywhere.

So it’s very nice that Fareed is going to prove something 1000% wrong that Glenn didn’t say.

If someone is going to discredit another, they should stick with truth and go from there. This is really a stupid thing to focus on here since the entire premise of what Glenn’s point was had to do with American socialists and communists calling for violence. Why don’t they prove THAT wrong? Oh wait……..

They did prove THAT wrong. If you actually watched the video instead of jumping to defend Beck after very obvously misunderstanding the article, you’d know that Fareed makes THREE points, note just one. He points out that 10 percent of muslims cannot be terrorist and so then proves that Beck is 1000% wrong on that account. He then points out that everyone knows there ARE a bunch of Muslims that hate America but no where near the number that Beck tries to make it. He THEN as his FINAL point says that Glenn said 0.5% of AMERICANS wanted to overthrow the government. No where in his final point did he say Beck targeted Muslims. Yes he said that Beck targeted domestic terrorism, but not muslim terrorism. Do not defend Beck until you understand where the attack on his logic is going.

jjay7381 said:
Lovin’ all the grammar lessons I’m getting here today!

I bet you are. May I call you Vaj for short.

Patrick Henry said:
Wow, good one vajajjay. Even so, no one here cares about what concerns you.

That must be why you keep replying. And just for the record, my vajayjjay is awesome. Thanks!

jjay7381 said:
So you’re not disputing the substance?

Fact: Wow you’re the only one who doesn’t know my thoughts on Muslims. Let’s just say the crusaders where wrong when they stopped the shellacking of the entire race! In this one there isn’t any points for missing!

Patrick Henry said:
I bet you are. May I call you Vaj for short.

Sure! If that’s what you’re into!

Fact: GlennBeckReview = Coward!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Wow you’re the only one who doesn’t know my thoughts on Muslims. Let’s just say the crusaders where wrong when they stopped the shellacking of the entire race! In this one there isn’t any points for missing!

I might be the only one who doesn’t know your thoughts on Muslims, but I’m sure I’m not the only one who doesn’t care.

Look at Beck’s statistics. Beck and Stu’s numbers come from Muslims who approve of terrorism on U.S. citizens. This is a problem of semantics more than anything else. It’s why I haven’t touched this claim by Beck. I disagree with the reactionaries; I don’t think supporting or approving of terrorism makes someone a terrorist. Lots of reactionaries want to see certain presidents assassinated; that doesn’t make those reactionaries assassins. Assholes, yes, but not assassins.

There’s plenty enough to expose Beck’s performance art with. No need to engage in semantic arguments with this rodeo clown turned frickin televangelist.

jjay7381 said:
I might be the only one who doesn’t know your thoughts on Muslims, but I’m sure I’m not the only one who doesn’t care.

Fact: Make that two cowards!

jjay7381 said:
The difference is that Zakaria is correctly representing facts and not making it personal. Beck is pulling his attacks on Obama largely out of fantasy, ignorance and whatever he can find in the deepest darkest corners of the internet.

You rely on name-calling and character attacks. And in the midst of a post trying to defend relying on facts and not making it personal. You subvert you own argument, my friend. I don’t even need to respond, since you refute your own position.

GlennBeckReview said:
Look at Beck’s statistics. Beck and Stu’s numbers come from Muslims who approve of terrorism on U.S. citizens. This is a problem of semantics more than anything else. It’s why I haven’t touched this claim by Beck. I disagree with the reactionaries; I don’t think supporting or approving of terrorism makes someone a terrorist. Lots of reactionaries want to see certain presidents assassinated; that doesn’t make those reactionaries assassins. Assholes, yes, but not assassins. There’s plenty enough to expose Beck’s performance art with. No need to engage in semantic arguments with this rodeo clown turned frickin televangelist.

Fact: Who cares you’re an ass!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Who cares you’re an ass!

I think perhaps when it comes to who the ass is you have him confused with yourself.

jjay7381 said:
That must be why you keep replying. And just for the record, my vajayjjay is awesome. Thanks!

No, I just like to call out a**holes who come on here. I heard you’re just one big vajajjay.

felixw said:
You rely on name-calling and character attacks. And in the midst of a post trying to defend relying on facts and not making it personal. You subvert you own argument, my friend. I don’t even need to respond, since you refute your own position.

I’m not a journalist. I can call you an idiot all I want if that’s what you are.

felixw said:
By your same logic, Glenn Beck has never attacked Obama. So I hope you will point that out the next time someone accuses Beck of racism, etc.

What jjay said was correct: [Zakaria] didn’t attack Glenn Beck, he simply pointed out the absurdity of his claim and disproved it. It’s not an attack, it’s journalism.

There’s a difference between pointing out a baseless claim and calling someone a racist, socialist, etc. which is what Beck has done on numerous occasions. In his OPINION Obama is a racist. That is an attack which has no basis in fact. It’s hard to believe you wouldn’t figure out the difference between someone pointing out a baseless claim and name-calling. But then again you are a Republican.

Patrick Henry said:
No, I just like to call out a**holes who come on here. I heard you’re just one big vajajjay.

You must be a virgin. You don’t know the difference between an asshole and a vajayjjay.

gordonbloyershow said:
And you are a lying socialist communist fool hiding behind a phony name. Oh, I forgot and a coward too.

Gordon – you really want to go into coward territory?

gordonbloyershow said:
We have a Muslim problem not a Christian problem. Jews are not the problem, Muslims are the problem.

No Gordon, we have an ignorance problem and it starts with cowardly buffoons like you.

Are you saying you are one of the a**holes?

Patrick Henry said:
Are you saying you are one of the a**holes?

No, but I’m pretty sure you are!

John Michael said:
What jjay said was correct: [Zakaria] didn’t attack Glenn Beck, he simply pointed out the absurdity of his claim and disproved it. It’s not an attack, it’s journalism.

There’s a difference between pointing out a baseless claim and calling someone a racist, socialist, etc. which is what Beck has done on numerous occasions. In his OPINION Obama is a racist. That is an attack which has no basis in fact. It’s hard to believe you wouldn’t figure out the difference between someone pointing out a baseless claim and name-calling. But then again you are a Republican.

Yawn….When the people on CNN refute Beck but not Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow or other leftwing pundits, they are engaging in political attacks. Try your spin on someone else, my friend. Beck made an exaggerated claim, but so do others. But CNN has an ideological axe to grind, as they demonstrate every day of the week. I suggest you try to find some eight-year-olds to argue with. Anybody with adult brain functioning can figure out what is going on at CNN. And the word “journalism” is not what it is called.

jjay7381 said:
I’m not a journalist. I can call you an idiot all I want if that’s what you are.

When people rely on insults, it is a sign that they have lost the argument.

John Michael said:
suddenly he’s a jerk. How does that work?

There is NOTHING suddenly about it. He is here everyday doing it. Who was talking to you?

jjay7381 said:
look like the kind of guy that sits outside of parks in his white van with binoculars?

Just making sure you are not violating your probation. Remember you can’t go within a thousand yards of children. You should not use your prison number to post comments. How is the prison food? I see you have one of your cell mates here.

Publius219 said:
Keep in mind that, as a Mormon, Beck’s religious beliefs prominently involve John Smith, the state of Missouri, and some imaginary scrolls. Also, keep in mind that Beck’s religious beliefs are not recognized as Christian by any major sect of Christianity.

JFK had some nice things to say about Mormons.

http://www.archive.org/details/jfk19630926

http://millercenter.org/scripps/archive/speeches/detail/3378

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CHSVC2nAl8 (shorter version)

jjay7381 said:
No, but I’m pretty sure you are!

Jjay, I apologize. I must remember that you have every right to say that “Muslims and Christians can all go to hell” without someone getting upset about it. Please accept my apology.

Newsjunky said:
And you’re a creepy old bitch who hasn’t been out of his windowless basement in months.

That would work if I had a basement. I would like to have a basement. I wonder what you ignorant people have against basements?

GlennBeckReview said:
No Gordon, this isn’t a lie. I don’t lie. In fact, I’ve wiped your stupidity all over the floor every time you accuse me of lying.

YOU lie everytime you post. You lied when you claimed Beck loses money for Fox. You presented NO proof of that claim. How many lies do I have to list.
You lied about his gold sponser. You had no idea that there are gold coins that are worth more than the minted coin value. That is why you make all those mistakes you have no idea what you are talking about.
I will be waiting for that BIG bombshell. LOL.

Glenn Beck’s panders to the lowest form of scum in this country. It is a shame Fareed Zakaria thinks it is necessary to push back against such nonsense.

I would bet more than 10% of the attendees at a Zakaria family reunion are sympathetic to the terrorists .

1000% ? Why not say 1,000,000 % ?

SarahP said:
we have an ignorance problem and it starts with cowardly buffoons like you.

You crawled out of your hole late today. Why are you still hiding behind that photo and using her name? I know, YOU are a coward.

GlennBeckReview said:
They may wait until Time Magazine picks their person of the year to publish it as that would give his story more legs if Beck is selected.

What a bunch of BS. Do you actually expect us to believe Time magazine would sit on a negative story regarding Beck? If Time had such a “story,” it would have already have been leaked. Your irrational hatred of Beck has began to fill your head with fictional “stories.”

It’s too bad that, due to political correctness, people aren’t allowed to describe what they see. Fareed Zakaria. He apparently has more than just one agenda.

felixw said:
When the people on CNN refute Beck but not Keith Olbermann or Rachel Maddow or other leftwing pundits, they are engaging in political attacks.

Okay, Felix. I was just responding to what you said: “By your same logic, Glenn Beck has never attacked Obama. So I hope you will point that out the next time someone accuses Beck of racism, etc”

I was just pointing out the difference between pointing out a baseless claim and calling someone a racist, etc. Why would Zakaria refute folks on MSNBC that nobody watches? Because Beck makes absurd claims every day on his highly watched cable show and widely listened to radio show, Zakaria felt the need to set him straight one time. He could go after him every day but doesn’t.

Beck constantly creates conspiracies where there are none, and his gullible dittoheads believe everything he says:

My favorite was when ol’ GB blamed a purported suppression of history for his research staff’s inability to find footage of the late Senator Robert Byrd filibustering the Civil Rights Act.

BECK: “Why is it this guy [Sen Byrd] dies and we haven’t seen any footage – Tiffany, did we look for footage? We’re still looking. We can’t find footage of the filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of this guy. How? How is that possible? How did the guy die when one of the most important things the guy did in his life, at least in the first 47 years, was to filibuster the Civil Rights Act? We have re-written history, and we are only looking now for the truth that helps our side. It must stop”

“Tiffany” didn’t find it because the 1964 footage doesn’t exist (television cameras weren’t be allowed into the Senate chamber for another ten years). Rather than do a simple Google search, Beck goes off half-cocked on one of his impulsive conspiracy theories and misleads his viewers once again.

I posted Beck’s footage on my YouTube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXWpD-RJJKA

He really is a piece of work.

Back to the “maths” thing: While the author may have been making a deliberate error to make some sort of point, it is more likely that he/she’s a Brit. That’s what they call it in Great Britain, maths. For all I know, they may call it “maths” in South Africa and Australia too. Would you have a fit if someone referred to the “boot” of the car, meaning the trunk, or their “flat,” meaning an apartment, or a “lift,” meaning an elevator? It wouldn’t kill some of you folks to have a little more comprehension of the rest of the world.

gordonbloyershow said:
You crawled out of your hole late today. Why are you still hiding behind that photo and using her name? I know, YOU are a coward.

Don’t look now but Rush Limbaugh is crawling out of your hole. Both avoided military service, both cowards.

gordonbloyershow said:
There is NOTHING suddenly about it. He is here everyday doing it. Who was talking to you?

What the fuck do you mean, “who was talking to you?” Do you need a written invitation to post here? You write unsolicited posts here all the time. I take great umbrage at your question. Who the fuck are you?

gordonbloyershow said:
There is NOTHING suddenly about it. He is here everyday doing it. Who was talking to you?

You’re just jealous because I have a kick-ass avatar and yours is kinda ugly.

John Michael said:
Okay, Felix. I was just responding to what you said: “By your same logic, Glenn Beck has never attacked Obama. So I hope you will point that out the next time someone accuses Beck of racism, etc”

I was just pointing out the difference between pointing out a baseless claim and calling someone a racist, etc. Why would Zakaria refute folks on MSNBC that nobody watches? Because Beck makes absurd claims every day on his highly watched cable show and widely listened to radio show, Zakaria felt the need to set him straight one time. He could go after him every day but doesn’t.

Beck constantly creates conspiracies where there are none, and his gullible dittoheads believe everything he says:

My favorite was when ol’ GB blamed a purported suppression of history for his research staff’s inability to find footage of the late Senator Robert Byrd filibustering the Civil Rights Act.

BECK: “Why is it this guy [Sen Byrd] dies and we haven’t seen any footage – Tiffany, did we look for footage? We’re still looking. We can’t find footage of the filibuster of the Civil Rights Act of this guy. How? How is that possible? How did the guy die when one of the most important things the guy did in his life, at least in the first 47 years, was to filibuster the Civil Rights Act? We have re-written history, and we are only looking now for the truth that helps our side. It must stop”

“Tiffany” didn’t find it because the 1964 footage doesn’t exist (television cameras weren’t be allowed into the Senate chamber for another ten years). Rather than do a simple Google search, Beck goes off half-cocked on one of his impulsive conspiracy theories and misleads his viewers once again.

I posted Beck’s footage on my YouTube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXWpD-RJJKA

He really is a piece of work.

I’m not defending Beck here. He made a mistake. He deserves to be called on it. But CNN has zero credibility if it only operates as a fact-checker when responding to Fox News. This is the same problem with Media Matters. There is a need for an independent media watchdog, but Media Matters isn’t independent. It operates as a source of predictable spin and thus turns itself into a joke. CNN isn’t quite so bad — in truth, no one is as bad as Media Matters — but still has such a definite tilt in its coverage that only fools or the disingenuous can accept it as a disinterested source of journalism.

Fess10 said:
Back to the “maths” thing: While the author may have been making a deliberate error to make some sort of point, it is more likely that he/she’s a Brit. That’s what they call it in Great Britain, maths. For all I know, they may call it “maths” in South Africa and Australia too. Would you have a fit if someone referred to the “boot” of the car, meaning the trunk, or their “flat,” meaning an apartment, or a “lift,” meaning an elevator? It wouldn’t kill some of you folks to have a little more comprehension of the rest of the world.

Brilliant point, Fess.

felixw said:
I’m not defending Beck here. He made a mistake. He deserves to be called on it. But CNN has zero credibility if it only operates as a fact-checker when responding to Fox News. This is the same problem with Media Matters. There is a need for an independent media watchdog, but Media Matters isn’t independent. It operates as a source of predictable spin and thus turns itself into a joke. CNN isn’t quite so bad — in truth, no one is as bad as Media Matters — but still has such a definite tilt in its coverage that only fools or the disingenuous can accept it as a disinterested source of journalism.

Well, there’s Newsbusters and a couple others on the other side.

Newsjunky said:
And you’re a creepy old bitch who hasn’t been out of his windowless basement in months. Sitting there, nude in front of your computer, sporting a tiny wrinkled up woody, as you type out a bunch of worthless drivel in the comment sections of various websites, hoping other fringe goofballs will befriend you. The only light in your cramped little basement coming from your 12 inch CRT monitor … Surrounded by stacks of old porn magazines and empty bottles of Gordons Vodka … Waiting on your poor 92 year old mother to bring you another bottle. Like I said, you’re just a creepy old man.

Hey freak . You’ve got a basket of snakes in your head . But , you know that .

I guess CNN is going to start refudiating Beck and others on FNC as part of their strategy to compete with MSNBC and attempt to regain second place.

It won’t work; Fareed is not going to gain any viewers by talking about Beck, in fact, he will move more CNN viewers to Beck. Fareed is like Christianne…..a liberal lefty snot who thinks his viewers (few they may be) are ignorant.

The Lantern of Truth said:
Hey freak . You’ve got a basket of snakes in your head . But , you know that .

Hey Lantern, get off of Gordo’s jock.

TfT said:
I guess CNN is going to start refudiating Beck and others on FNC as part of their strategy to compete with MSNBC and attempt to regain second place.

It won’t work; Fareed is not going to gain any viewers by talking about Beck, in fact, he will move more CNN viewers to Beck. Fareed is like Christianne…..a liberal lefty snot who thinks his viewers (few they may be) are ignorant.

Wow, this post is dripping with irony, You see, it is Glen Beck who gets on his knees every night and prays for fans just like you.

By the way, “refudiating” Glen Beck is not the hardest thing to do.

Some of you people need to learn. We won man! America has rejected liberalism / progressimsim for the umpteenth time, yet we let them hang around and bitch like the little pussies that they are. Get rid of them. Get rid of their kids. It’s not that tough a concept.

The ignorant bigotry on this forum is amazing. Do dome of you live in America? Do you live on planet earth? It seems that most people here have never had Muslim friends are worked with Muslims. What kind of jobs do you have? Muslims have been in America since the early 1600s, before most of your ancestors immigrated from Europe. Clearly you do not socialize out of your tiny inbred circle of friends who are all the same. Glen Beck is an idiot. He is a huckster and a fake. He hustles people who are fearful and do not know any better. There are many Muslim professionals in this country, who work and love America.

SarahP said:
Wow, this post is dripping with irony, You see, it is Glen Beck who gets on his knees every night and prays for fans just like you. By the way, “refudiating” Glen Beck is not the hardest thing to do.

Fact: Wizard of Oz: Why, anybody can have a brain. That’s a very mediocre commodity. Every pusillanimous creature that crawls on the Earth or slinks through slimy seas has a brain. Back where I come from, we have universities, seats of great learning, where men go to become great thinkers. And when they come out, they think deep thoughts and with no more brains than you have. But they have one thing you haven’t got: a diploma.
So whats your malfuntion?

Mr.Papshmer said:
Some of you people need to learn. We won man! America has rejected liberalism / progressimsim for the umpteenth time, yet we let them hang around and bitch like the little pussies that they are. Get rid of them. Get rid of their kids. It’s not that tough a concept.

Yes, some of you people there need ta learn there that them there liberals has ben dafeeted there. It’s not that tuff a concept there ya pusseeez.

SarahP said:
Yes, some of you people there need ta learn there that them there liberals has ben dafeeted there. It’s not that tuff a concept there ya pusseeez.

Fact: Scarecrow: The sum of the square roots of any two sides of an isosceles triangle is equal to the square root of the remaining side. Oh joy! Rapture! I got a brain! How can I ever think that you ever get it?

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Scarecrow: The sum of the square roots of any two sides of an isosceles triangle is equal to the square root of the remaining side. Oh joy! Rapture! I got a brain! How can I ever think that you ever get it?

You do have a rich fantasy life, that should be enough,

Fact: Sarah P ….
Count says; AH AH AH AH

SarahP said:
Yes, some of you people there need ta learn there that them there liberals has ben dafeeted there. It’s not that tuff a concept there ya pusseeez.

I know you’re trying to be funny and all, but it ain’t working. You’re just an ignorant asshole. :)

SarahP said:
You do have a rich fantasy life, that should be enough,

Fact: what’s yours?

Mr.Papshmer said:
I know you’re trying to be funny and all, but it ain’t working. You’re just an ignorant asshole. :)

Well ok der papshmear, I dun tryed to bea funnee an aparentlee u got it. Sew hoos da ignarant asshole. LAMO!

armwood said:
The ignorant bigotry on this forum is amazing. Do dome of you live in America? Do you live on planet earth? It seems that most people here have never had Muslim friends are worked with Muslims. What kind of jobs do you have? Muslims have been in America since the early 1600s, before most of your ancestors immigrated from Europe. Clearly you do not socialize out of your tiny inbred circle of friends who are all the same. Glen Beck is an idiot. He is a huckster and a fake. He hustles people who are fearful and do not know any better. There are many Muslim professionals in this country, who work and love America.

You’re right, most people haven’t worked with Muslims. What do you expect of a nation that only has 0.6% muslims? Muslims may have been w/ us since the beginning, but we’re still a Judeo-Cvhristain coutry.

armwood said:
The ignorant bigotry on this forum is amazing. Do dome of you live in America? Do you live on planet earth? It seems that most people here have never had Muslim friends are worked with Muslims. What kind of jobs do you have? Muslims have been in America since the early 1600s, before most of your ancestors immigrated from Europe. Clearly you do not socialize out of your tiny inbred circle of friends who are all the same. Glen Beck is an idiot. He is a huckster and a fake. He hustles people who are fearful and do not know any better. There are many Muslim professionals in this country, who work and love America.

Fact: Cowardly Lion: [singing] I’m afraid there’s no denyin’ / I’m just a dandy-lion / A fate I don’t deserve / I’m sure I could show my prowess / Be a lion, not a mouse / If I only had the nerve.

SarahP said:
Well ok der papshmear, I dun tryed to bea funnee an aparentlee u got it. Sew hoos da ignarant asshole. LAMO!

SarahP said:
Well ok der papshmear, I dun tryed to bea funnee an aparentlee u got it. Sew hoos da ignarant asshole. LAMO!

When I was young and stoned, you’d have been the dickhead nerd in the room, I’m sure. We used to beat up guys like you for being stupid.. Hits a nerve, doesn’t it?

Mr.Papshmer said:
When I was young and stoned, you’d have been the dickhead nerd in the room, I’m sure. We used to beat up guys like you for being stupid.. Hits a nerve, doesn’t it?

Weight a minut der papshmear – seemz ta me u ar still stoned.

I guess I’m hitting that nerve, no? :)

Mr.Papshmer said:
I guess I’m hitting that nerve, no? :)

gessin iz sumthin u ar veree good at der mr papshmear der. Still stoned?

Yup, I hit that nerve. :)

Mr.Papshmer said:
Yup, I hit that nerve. :)

U dun hit a nerv der mr papshmear. Eye hop u ar happeee…der.

Patrick Henry said:
Jjay, I apologize. I must remember that you have every right to say that “Muslims and Christians can all go to hell” without someone getting upset about it. Please accept my apology.

I appreciate that, but I actually don’t have that right. If you’re referring to the 1st Amendment, that only protects me from the government throwing me in jail, giving me a fine, etc. The reality is, people can get mad at anything and everything anyone says. That’s their right.

gordonbloyershow said:
What does this sentence mean? You jerk.

I’m back, I went for a walk. Gordo it means, if you take out 5 out of 3 you are left with -2.
Not sure if it’s hard for you to get but let me break it own for ya.
This is what I was responding to
-5+3=-2
Hope that helps.

BatBoy said:
Skyfet

I am not you should be the person to call anyone out on “spelling mistakes”

Take a good look at what you just wrote especially the 3rd “Skyfet sentence.

“So for not being good in maths is not a big deal with him He is a dumb shit, and those who pay attention or take him seriously should check themselves.”

What are you trying to say and how many “MATHS” are you talking about???? Just Saying Partner… Just Saying!

In case you have never heard this…..”Most People who point fingers usually have three pointing back at themselves” I know…it is an old saying…but it proves correct one more time.

ahhhhhhhhhh! “I am not you should be the person”

skyfet said:
ahhhhhhhhhh! “I am not you should be the person”

Sky – Turn on Fox News , home of many American foxes , you wild and crazy guy ! ahhhhhh !

We’ve all had our fun, particularly with Mr Papshmear but I think it is now clear that Glen Beck yet again has been proven to be full of bovine scatology.

gordonbloyershow said:
Just making sure you are not violating your probation. Remember you can’t go within a thousand yards of children. You should not use your prison number to post comments. How is the prison food? I see you have one of your cell mates here.

I’m glad you’re making good use of you time, Gordon Blowhard, but the numbers in my name are actually the last 4 digits of my University ID number. So, keep trying and maybe someday you’ll actually get something right. I’m not betting on it, but miracles happen (even for idiot assholes like you).

The Lantern of Truth said:
Sky – Turn on Fox News , home of many American foxes , you wild and crazy guy ! ahhhhhh !

Wait a minute! Why am I under attack? I didn’t quote you nor respond to you. You guys are getting crazier, all I said was ahhh by his quote.

What is Beck trying to incite here? More terrorist and hatred to make it in the news?

Glenn Beck is a deeply deranged and sick person. But I guess it makes him rich so he keeps doing it. Sad way to make a living, I would rather be a garbageman, at least I could sleep at night.

felixw said:
What a funny joke you made. And, by your same logic, Glenn Beck has never attacked Obama. So I hope you will point that out the next time someone accuses Beck of racism, etc.

Quite the contrary! Glenn Beck has attacked Obama many time. You don’t have to lie about it, face facts, he is crazy!!

Linda said:
What is Beck trying to incite here? More terrorist and hatred to make it in the news? Glenn Beck is a deeply deranged and sick person. But I guess it makes him rich so he keeps doing it. Sad way to make a living, I would rather be a garbageman, at least I could sleep at night.

ELAINE !!!!… Is that you ?…. Tooooooo Easy !!!!

I am not sure if I agree with Zak’s conclusions here.

I saw a poll a few years ago where it was found that if there was no royal family in Saudi Arabia and they had free elections Osam Bin Laden would win an election to be leader of SA. Isn’t that enough for him. If you would vote for the guy to lead the country you are either a terrorist or a terrorist sympathizer on deck for jihad.

Even if Zak’s numbers are right it means he would agree with the .1% figure which works out to a million and a half Muslim terrorist whackos walking around. More than the population of the City of Philadelphia.

Whoever is right this is getting scary.

I’m new here, and since I really haven’t pissed anybody off (yet), lol… Would anyone be so kind as to explain to me how you make that gray box in your post from someone else as a quote?

Scott_in_MI said:
You’re right, most people haven’t worked with Muslims. What do you expect of a nation that only has 0.6% muslims? Muslims may have been w/ us since the beginning, but we’re still a Judeo-Cvhristain coutry.

If you live in a large city or work in any profession; science, education, medicine you will find Muslims. Come on. Don’t be blind.

Islam

How many Muslims are there in
the U.S. and the rest of the world?

Number of Muslims in the world:

Estimates of the total number of Muslims in the world vary greatly:

0.700 billion or more, Barnes & Noble Encyclopedia (1993)
0.817 billion, The Universal Almanac (1996)
0.951 billion, The Cambridge Factfinder (1993)
1.100 billion, The World Almanac (1997)
1.200 billion, CAIR (Council on American-Islamic relations)
1.570 billion, Pew Forums
As of mid 2010, we accept the Pew Forum’s estimate 1.57 billion as the most reliable estimate.

With that number, they represent about 22% of the world’s population. They are the second largest religion in the world. Only Christianity is larger, with 33% of the world’s inhabitants — a little over 2 billion.

Islam is growing about 2.9% per year. This is faster than the total world population which increases about 2.3% annually. It is thus attracting a progressively larger percentage of the world’s population.

Number of Muslims in the U.S.

Nobody knows.

This is a political hot-potato. Some non-Muslims have accused Muslims of exaggerated their numbers in order to obtain more political clout. Some Muslims have accused non-Muslims of releasing false, low numbers in order to “marginalize” Islam. 4 In religion, as in war, truth is often the first casualty.

Estimates of the number of Muslims in North America range from a little over one million adults to seven million adults and children. One cause of the disagreement appears to be related to the percentage of Muslim immigrants:

Who have abandoned Islam since they arrived in the US, or
Who still consider themselves to be Muslims, but who do not participate in mosque activities.
Estimates of the number of U.S. Muslmis include:

In order of the

Date Number of Muslims Note Source Ref.
2001- 1.1 million adults; 1.8 million adults and children A ARIS study 2
2000 1.6 million B Glenmary Research Center 1
2001-OCT 1.9 million C National Opinion Research Center 6
2001-APR 2 million Muslims D Hartford Institute for Religious Research 3
2001 2.8 million E American Jewish Committee 4
2001 4.1 million F Britannica book of the Year 6
2001 A little over 5 million G Abdul Malik Mujahid 9
2001 5.78 million H World Almanac 7
1995 6 million I CAIR 6
1997 6.7 million J Ilyas Ba-Yunus 8
2001-APR 6 to 7 million K Prof. Ihsan Bagby 6
2001 7.0 L Four Islamic groups 4
2002 7.0 M CAIR 5
1998 12 million N Pakistani newspaper 10
Notes:

A: This was a phone survey which asked the question “What is your religion, if any.?” This type of poll has an inherent inaccuracy, because there are always some subjects that refuse to reveal their religion. Followers of some faith groups, like Wicca, which are heavily persecuted in the U.S. often do not disclose their actual religion. They either give false data or refuse to answer. Five percent of the subjects contacted did not reply to this question.
B: This was part of a study of all faith groups in America. It was compiled in the year 2000 by 149 denominations and research groups, and published by the Glenmary Research Center of Atlanta, GA. The information was released in 2002-SEP. “Several Islamic groups last week accused the researchers of trying to diminish their numbers and influence.” Faiz Rehman, communications director for the American Muslim Council, said: ‘They may claim whatever they want to claim, but we refuse to accept this report. They are grossly wrong, and they are not serving the country well if they continue to marginalize Muslims.’ ” Kenneth M. Sanchagrin, director of the Glenmary Research Center, stands by the accuracy of their estimate. He said: “There was no intention, desire, question of trying to distort or fudge the data at all.” The Washington Post reported that: “Mosques typically do not keep membership rolls. The Muslim estimate was based on a self-reported count from about a third of the country’s 1,209 mosques.” The Center then compared the results with statistics on immigration and conversion rates to Islam. 4

Sulayman S. Nyang is a professor at Howard University professor, and co-director of an Islamic research center at Georgetown University. He said that the actual number of Muslims is likely higher than the Glenmary Research Center’s estimate, but that “demographic jealousy” has made accuracy difficult. He said: “The whole question is a statistical game. And it’s played on both sides. There are Jewish reports that have made the number very small, and some Muslims like to exaggerate the number.”
C: This study was commissioned by the American Jewish Committee. The National Opinion Research Center analyzed various public opinion surveys, studies of mosque attendance, and immigration statistics. They estimated a range of from 1.5 to 3.4 million Muslims; their best estimate was 1.9 million
D: This was part of a study of all faith groups in the U.S. called: “Faith Communities Today: Mosque in America: A National Portrait.” It was released in 2001-APR. Leaders in 416 mosques were asked to estimate the number of people involved in their mosque in any way. The average answer was 1,625 participants. There are 1,209 known mosques in the U.S. If the average of all mosques was the same as the 416 sampled, then the total “mosqued Muslims” in the U.S. is 1.96 million.
E: This was mentioned by the Washington Post as an estimate of the American Jewish Committee. It is apparently based on the National Opinion Research Center data. Nihad Awad, executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, said that this estimate is part of an effort by the Jewish community to “marginalize” Islam in the United States. He asked: “Why are they worried about our numbers? What’s it triggering? We have never misrepresented our figures and have never been interested in competing with any other faith or ethnic community.”
F: This estimate was prepared by demographer David B. Barrett and staff who prepare religious estimates for Encyclopaedia Britannica and twenty other yearbooks.
G: Abdul Malik Mujahid bases this value on the findings of many public survey organizations which normally report about 2% Muslims in the U.S. Two percent of the total American population in the 2000 census gives “a little over 5 million…” 9
H: The yearbook states (only in the case of Islam) that: “Estimate; figures from other sources may vary.”
I: This estimate was used by the Council on American-Islamic Relations from 1995 until 2001.
J: Sociologist Ilyas Ba-Yunus reviewed all available studies. 9
K: Professor Bagby of Shaw University in Raleigh, NC multiplied the Hartford Institute value of 2 million by a factor of three to account for those Muslims who are not active participators in mosque activities. The Washington Post reports that: “He calls this multiplier an educated guess based on years of observation of the Islamic community.”
L: This estimate was made by four American Islamic groups, including the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).
M. This is the value that CAIR currently uses on their web site.
N: No information could be found on the identity of the newspaper.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/isl_numb.htm

Pokerdude777 said:
I’m new here, and since I really haven’t pissed anybody off (yet), lol… Would anyone be so kind as to explain to me how you make that gray box in your post from someone else as a quote?

Just click on (quote)

Thank you very much Jack, I appreciate it. Have a great weekend.

armwood said:
If you live in a large city or work in any profession; science, education, medicine you will find Muslims. Come on. Don’t be blind.

So very true, I have Muslims in the neighborhood, corner store and they are wonderful, kind people. I also have Chinese, Mexican, European you name it. We all live together and there are no issues, problems because we all respect each other.

The bigots must live in caves.

armwood said:
Islam How many Muslims are there inthe U.S. and the rest of the world? Number of Muslims in the world:

Fact: The facts speak for themselves!

Fact: Ten Obvious Reasons Why
Islam is NOT a Religion of Peace

#1 Fact: 14,000 deadly terror attacks committed explicitly in the name of Islam in just the last eight years. (Other religions combined for perhaps a dozen or so).

#2 Fact: Muhammad, the prophet of Islam, had people killed for insulting him or criticizing his religion. This included women. Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#3 Fact: Muhammad said in many places that he has been “ordered by Allah to fight men until they testify that there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messenger.” In the last nine years of his life, he ordered no less than 65 military campaigns to do exactly that.

Muhammad inspired his men to war with the basest of motives, using captured loot, sex and a gluttonous paradise as incentives. He beheaded captives, enslaved children and raped women captured in battle. Again, Muslims are told to emulate the example of Muhammad.

#4 Fact: After Muhammad died, the people who lived with him, and knew his religion best, immediately fell into war with each other.

Fatima, Muhammad’s favorite daughter, survived the early years at Mecca safe and sound, yet died of stress from the persecution of fellow Muslims only six months after her father died.

Fatima’s husband Ali, who was the second second convert to Islam and was raised like a son to Muhammad, fought a civil war against an army raised by Aisha, Muhammad’s favorite wife – and one whom he had said was a “perfect woman.” 10,000 Muslims were killed in a single battle, waged less than 25 years after Muhammad’s death.

Three of the first four Muslim rulers (caliphs) were murdered. All of them were among Muhammad’s closest companions. The third caliph was killed by allies of the son of the first (who was murdered by the fifth caliph a few years later, then wrapped in the skin of a dead donkey and burned). The fourth caliph (Ali) was stabbed to death after a bitter dispute with the fifth. The fifth caliph went on to poison one of Muhammad’s two favorite grandsons. The other grandson was later beheaded by the sixth caliph.

The infighting and power struggles between Muhammad’s family members, closest companions and their children only intensified with time. Within 50 short years of Muhammad’s death, even the Kaaba, which had stood for centuries under pagan religion, lay in ruins from internal Muslim war…

And that’s just the fate of those within the house of Islam!

#5 Fact: Muhammad directed Muslims to wage war on other religions and bring them under submission to Islam. Within the first few decades following his death, his Arabian companions invaded and conquered Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist and Zoroastrian lands.
A mere 25 years after Muhammad’s death, Muslim armies had captured land and people within the borders of over 28 modern countries outside of Saudi Arabia.

#6 Fact: Muslims continued their Jihad against other religions for 1400 years, checked only by the ability of non-Muslims to defend themselves. To this day, not a week goes by that Islamic fundamentalists do not attempt to kill Christians, Jews, Hindus and Buddhists explicitly in the name of Allah.

None of these other religions are at war with each other.

#7 Fact: Islam is the only religion that has to retain its membership by threatening to kill anyone who leaves. This is according to the example set by Muhammad.

#8 Fact: Islam teaches that non-Muslims are less than fully human. Muhammad said that Muslims can be put to death for murder, but that a Muslim could never be put to death for killing a non-Muslim.

#9 Fact:
The Qur’an never once speaks of Allah’s love for non-Muslims, but it speaks of Allah’s cruelty toward and hatred of non-Muslims more than 500 times.

#10 Fact:

“Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar! Allahu Akbar!”
(The last words from the cockpit of Flight 93)

So Muslim lovers go fuck yourself! GOD Bless America!

sticks said:
ELAINE !!!!… Is that you ?…. Tooooooo Easy !!!!

No, I am Elaine, jeck off! Are you paranoid or something? lol do you think were all Elaine on this blog. lol

Pokerdude777 said:
Thank you very much Jack, I appreciate it. Have a great weekend.

If you highlight stuff and click on ‘quote’, only the stuff you’ve highlighted will quote. A nice feature.

Bean23 said:
They did prove THAT wrong. If you actually watched the video instead of jumping to defend Beck after very obvously misunderstanding the article, you’d know that Fareed makes THREE points, note just one. He points out that 10 percent of muslims cannot be terrorist and so then proves that Beck is 1000% wrong on that account.

Uh, sorry. No he didn’t. “That’s just crazy!” isn’t how you disprove a thesis. Nor is taking a single year and figuring out how many Muslims it took to commit the ELEVEN THOUSAND acts of terror that Zakaria concedes Muslims committed in 2009.

Further, contra Zakaria, that number isn’t pulled out of Glenn Beck’s ass. As Stu notes, World Public Opinion puts it at 10%. Gallup puts it at 7%. And given that Beck said he thought it closer to 10% than 1%, Gallup’s 7% would concur with him. That’s two sources that have done the footwork to find out where people stand on the issue and both of them support Beck’s statement, which was not even the point he was making, but which liberals the blogosphere over have tried to hang him on. Here’s your problem, proggs: He’s right.

What the hell do you people think we’ve been fighting two wars against? Glenn Beck’s imagination?

Zakaria’s math also doesn’t take failed attacks or foiled attacks into account. Bottom line is that just because the worldly, swarthy man with the interesting accent says it doesn’t make it fact.

Linda said:
So very true, I have Muslims in the neighborhood, corner store and they are wonderful, kind people. I also have Chinese, Mexican, European you name it. We all live together and there are no issues, problems because we all respect each other.

The bigots must live in caves.

Yes, they’re known for that. Does Tora Bora ring a bell?

John Michael said:
Well, there’s Newsbusters and a couple others on the other side.

There are propagandists on both sides. But the responsibility for maintaining journalistic standards weighs most heavily on the shoulders of the major news networks and big city newspapers. But, sad to say, they have given up on journalism. They want to be political advocates who INFLUENCE the news, rather than journalists who REPORT on the news. That’s obvious to any reasonable person who keeps tabs on the mainstream media.

Networks such as CNN and CBS have three choices.

(1) To hire unbiased reporters — by unbiased I mean that the audience should not be able to guess the journalist’s views based on how he or she reports. Very few journalists today live up to these standards, but in the past people like Tim Russert or Ted Koppel came close. Both were Democrats, but they made obvious efforts to deal with issues even-handedly and without obvious bias. But the days of Russert and Koppel are long gone at the major news networks. Despite what you may have heard, honest journalism is possible — you just don’t get much chance to see it any more. And probably won’t ever again.

(2) The second option is less appealing to me, but perhaps more realistic: namely, to allow reporters to put political views into their reporting, but create balance by hiring reporters on both the Left and the Right or bringing in intelligent guests to counter the host’s opinions. This is not what journalism is supposed to be, but may be the best we can hope for in the current environment. Fox, while less than perfect, comes the closest to this model — which is the simple reason why it wins the cable news ratings war every night, ever week, in every time slot.

(3) Then there is the final option, or the one you find most nights on most news networks — namely to continue business as usual, with a newsroom packed with Democrats who tilt and spin, but still want to pretend that they are journalists. And then watch ratings continue to decline. You can call this the “CNN syndrome’ if you like.

In all honesty, CNN has shown ZERO ability to pursue options 1 or 2. It is not in their DNA. It is not consistent with their identity, history and culture. So expect more of the same from them in the future. This is the path that got CNN into the ratings mess they are currently in, and there is virtually no chance that CNN can extricate itself. There is greater likelihood of CNN going broke or getting sold than for them to fix their problems by moving to model 1 or 2.

felixw said:
You rely on name-calling and character attacks. And in the midst of a post trying to defend relying on facts and not making it personal. You subvert you own argument, my friend. I don’t even need to respond, since you refute your own position.

You rely on your group for your hugs no matter how stupid and bigoted your reply’s are.

If anyone comments negatively on a fox view, you get jumped on and called names.

* Then you have the odasity to accuse others of name calling.

Your a total wack job!

* Then you have the audacity to accuse other of name calling…

ass hole…

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Who cares you’re an ass!

OMG talk about asses.. lol You take the cake!!

Fact: Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair. The event is in the hand of God.
Words of George Washington

Albert said:
You rely on your group for your hugs no matter how stupid and bigoted your reply’s are.

If anyone comments negatively on a fox view, you get jumped on and called names.

* Then you have the odasity to accuse others of name calling.

Your a total wack job!

What an amazing post. Griping about name calling, while only engaging in name calling. Try again next time, and maybe make an intelligent point we can discuss.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Let us raise a standard to which the wise and honest can repair. The event is in the hand of God.
Words of George Washington

Coming from you, I don’t believe a word of it!

felixw said:
What an amazing post. Griping about name calling, while only engaging in name calling. Try again next time, and maybe make an intelligent point we can discuss.

This is what everyone has done from day 1 on this blog, is name call and belittle. This blog just promotes hatred.

Albert said:
Coming from you, I don’t believe a word of it!

Jesus Tapdancing Christ, could you be any more stupid?

Zakaria has more critical thinking skills in his anal spincter than Beck has in his brain.

Trickletown said:
Zakaria is an anal spincter

You’re correct there, tinkle.

SarahP said:
Don’t look now but Rush Limbaugh is crawling out of your hole. Both avoided military service, both cowards.

LOL, you keep telling that lie. Everyone here knows that you are a liar. Poor baby, I know you don’t get it but why would someone believe a phony using a Palin photo and her name to post lies? The moment you used the Palin photo and her name, they knew that anything you post would be a lie.
Everyone here can look up my name on Google. They all know that I could not AVOID military service since I enlisted. Now go put down your crayons and go to bed.

Thank God for Fareed. And a note to posters: The longer your screed, the less people even attempt to read it.

jjay7381 said:
I’m glad you’re making good use of you time, Gordon Blowhard, but the numbers in my name are actually the last 4 digits of my University ID number. So, keep trying and maybe someday you’ll actually get something right. I’m not betting on it, but miracles happen (even for idiot assholes like you).

University? LOL. Wait, yes some prisons do have college courses. Do they let you use a knife at dinner?

armwood said:
If you live in a large city or work in any profession; science, education, medicine you will find Muslims. Come on. Don’t be blind.

I grew up in the city next to Dearborn, MI, so I know more Muslim than most people. Its true, must are hardworking, dedicated, family loving Americans; HOWEVER, I’m sure there are 10% who support/fund/back terrorism. Of course, you’ll find that their are 10% loons in any group. I’m sure in the Republican party, you’ll find 10% who support/back/fund anti-abortion zealots just like their are 10% of libs who supports eco-terrorists (the largest group of terrorists in America.

Albert said:
Coming from you, I don’t believe a word of it!

Fact: You have already proved that your a slow learner and that’s why you masquerade behind the name Albert!
No man is rich enough to buy back his past.

Pokerdude777 said:
I’m new here, and since I really haven’t pissed anybody off (yet), lol… Would anyone be so kind as to explain to me how you make that gray box in your post from someone else as a quote?

Hit the (Quote) in the comment box you want to answer. You can also just highlight the part of the comment and then hit the (Quote).

Contessa said:
Thank God for Fareed. And a note to posters: The longer your screed, the less people even attempt to read it.

Good Advise Contessa, but some people confuse a comment section with a blog posting

Fox News: Better that we sell Hate than Crack said:
Good Advise Contessa, but some people confuse a comment section with a blog posting

Fact: Oh, what a tangled web we weave,
When first we practice to deceive!

Mr.Papshmer said:
Jesus Tapdancing Christ, could you be any more stupid?

Yeah, If I were you.

Fact: Dirty Dog Democrats tax policy is like this, If you think dogs can’t count, try putting three dog biscuits in yourpocket and then give them only two and then see what they do.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: You have already proved that your a slow learner and that’s why you masquerade behind the name Albert!
No man is rich enough to buy back his past.

LOL

Albert said:
No, I am Elaine, jeck off! Are you paranoid or something? lol do you think were all Elaine on this blog. lol

HA HA !… Im good, huh ?… This really is easy… Yeah, I’m the parnanoid one changing my name everyday… I’m going to put up your other favorite persons comment… It says it all… LOL !!!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Oh, what a tangled web we weave,When first we practice to deceive!

Albert said:
Coming from you, I don’t believe a word of it!

“I don’t like it! It must be a lie!”

Isn’t it bedtime, child? I only say that because if you weren’t a little whiny baby, you could do something really out of the box and crazy like this and then you’d find this. And you’d find yourself on the wrong side of the facts. And you’d find yourself trumpeting your very ignorance and wearing it as a badge of honor. Which, it sucks to be you. Life is hard, but it’s even harder when you’re stupid, Albert.

sticks said:
HA HA !… Im good, huh ?… This really is easy… Yeah, I’m the parnanoid one changing my name everyday… I’m going to put up your other favorite persons comment… It says it all… LOL !!!

No, I am Elaine, jeck off !… I’m still laughing !!!!…

Mr.Papshmer said:
Jesus Tapdancing Christ, could you be any more stupid?

Mr.Papshmer said:
You’re correct there, tinkle.

You sure like to twist and change words a lot don’t you cockshmer……. Ahole!

Fact: I know how hard it is for you democrats to give up handouts and get a job but,
when you walk to the edge of all the light you have been for free welfare
And you take the first step into the darkness of the unknown working envirnment
You must believe that one of two things will happen to you earning a living for yourself
There will be something solid for you to stand upon the ground when you get home
or you will be taught to fly. So fly and be productive!

Scott_in_MI said:
I grew up in the city next to Dearborn, MI, so I know more Muslim than most people. Its true, must are hardworking, dedicated, family loving Americans; HOWEVER, I’m sure there are 10% who support/fund/back terrorism. Of course, you’ll find that their are 10% loons in any group. I’m sure in the Republican party, you’ll find 10% who support/back/fund anti-abortion zealots just like their are 10% of libs who supports eco-terrorists (the largest group of terrorists in America.

How many white militia, klan and Nazi sympathizers are there in America. Remember of the black church arson attacks and defacing of synagogues a few years ago. There are a hell of a lot more home grown terrorists right here in America who are not Muslim. Idiots like Limbaugh, Beck and Palin stir up the nut jobs. They are America’s greatest danger, not Muslims. You can make up your ten percent number out of thin air. Have you ever had dinner or lunch with and of those Muslims? I doubt it. That’s the problem. Plain old fashioned ignorance. Ignorance breeds prejudice and hate, myths and lies.

Linda said:
So very true, I have Muslims in the neighborhood, corner store and they are wonderful, kind people. I also have Chinese, Mexican, European you name it. We all live together and there are no issues, problems because we all respect each other.

The bigots must live in caves.

It’s interesting to see the number of thumbs down on your comment. Who would not want to see good relations with neighbors except morally bankrupt people with no heart. What kind of families were they raided in? Obviously families that lacked a moral center and without much love. It is sad to see the amount of ignorance and hate in our society.

Fact: Dirty Dog Democrats just don’t ever get it here it’s said that in the whole history of the world there is but one thing that money can not buy — to wit, the wag of a dog’s tail. Get it Dogs!

Albert said:
This is what everyone has done from day 1 on this blog, is name call and belittle. This blog just promotes hatred.

Speak for yourself.

armwood said:
It’s interesting to see the number of thumbs down on your comment. Who would not want to see good relations with neighbors except morally bankrupt people with no heart. What kind of families were they raided in? Obviously families that lacked a moral center and without much love. It is sad to see the amount of ignorance and hate in our society.

Fact: Help yourself out and admit how you just despise this country and you just preach black theology crap! You have morals as the devil himself! 9/11 terrorist where all Muslims and that’s a fact!

armwood said:
How many white militia, klan and Nazi sympathizers are there in America. Remember of the black church arson attacks and defacing of synagogues a few years ago. There are a hell of a lot more home grown terrorists right here in America who are not Muslim. Idiots like Limbaugh, Beck and Palin stir up the nut jobs. They are America’s greatest danger, not Muslims. You can make up your ten percent number out of thin air. Have you ever had dinner or lunch with and of those Muslims? I doubt it. That’s the problem. Plain old fashioned ignorance. Ignorance breeds prejudice and hate, myths and lies.

Do you have some numbers you’d like to offer, armwood, or do you just have the questions?

armwood said:
Who would not want to see good relations with neighbors except morally bankrupt people with no heart.

Congratulations, armwood! You’ve won the vaunted “Wrong Question of the Day” award!

I know half a dozen Muslims who are my friends, and who are fine Americans. They’re part of the 90%, not the 10%. And they know it.

armwood said:
How many white militia, klan and Nazi sympathizers are there in America. Remember of the black church arson attacks and defacing of synagogues a few years ago. There are a hell of a lot more home grown terrorists right here in America who are not Muslim. Idiots like Limbaugh, Beck and Palin stir up the nut jobs. They are America’s greatest danger, not Muslims. You can make up your ten percent number out of thin air. Have you ever had dinner or lunch with and of those Muslims? I doubt it. That’s the problem. Plain old fashioned ignorance. Ignorance breeds prejudice and hate, myths and lies.

fact: Why is it that most crime to blacks are black on blacks crimes! White militias, KKK very funny guy! Get your facts straight!

armwood said:
It’s interesting to see the number of thumbs down on your comment. Who would not want to see good relations with neighbors except morally bankrupt people with no heart. What kind of families were they raided in? Obviously families that lacked a moral center and without much love. It is sad to see the amount of ignorance and hate in our society.

Sorry to say, I think if you don’t agree with the “FOX” blog point of view, your not given good ratings. Sad isn’t it. I think Fox viewers feed on hate. That is what I am seeing from this blog.

Just4thefax said:

Do not quote me and then insert your ignorant vicious slander. Every major religion on earth has tons of blood on its hands. Post in an honest way. Do not quote me and then put lies underneath as if I wrote it. Have some integrity!

Albert said:
Sorry to say, I think if you don’t agree with the “FOX” blog point of view, your not given good ratings. Sad isn’t it. I think Fox viewers feed on hate. That is what I am seeing from this blog.

I thought nobody else noticed that. You should check out this website sometime:
http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page
They’re absolutely nuts!!!!

ooOOOOooooooooooOOOOOOooooooooOOTHUMBSooooooOOOOOOoooOOOOo

Albert said:
Sorry to say, I think if you don’t agree with the “FOX” blog point of view, your not given good ratings. Sad isn’t it. I think Fox viewers feed on hate. That is what I am seeing from this blog.

Thanks Albert, I am beginning to get that same picture. Lots of hate and negativity here even if you try to just explain your point of view.

Albert said:
Sorry to say, I think if you don’t agree with the “FOX” blog point of view, your not given good ratings. Sad isn’t it. I think Fox viewers feed on hate. That is what I am seeing from this blog.

No question about it. fox makes money selling hate to insecure and ignorant people. People who are unhappy and frustrated with their lives like enemies to attack so they do not have to face their own failures in life. Many such people inhabit this site.

Albert said:
Sorry to say, I think if you don’t agree with the “FOX” blog point of view, your not given good ratings. Sad isn’t it. I think Fox viewers feed on hate. That is what I am seeing from this blog.

Fact: A differing opinion is not hate nor the forcefull way it’s presented!

armwood said:
Do not quote me and then insert your ignorant vicious slander. Every major religion on earth has tons of blood on its hands. Post in an honest way. Do not quote me and then put lies underneath as if I wrote it. Have some integrity!

Don’t try to tell them the truth. The fact of the matter is you have people that will twist anything to meet their own agendas. The portrayal of the inheritance tax as the “death tax” gay marriage as “a threat to family values”. It’s all rather sad really.

“I used Conservapedia to help me write my book report, but my teacher told me I’m in third grade now, and should know better.”

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Help yourself out and admit how you just despise this country and you just preach black theology crap! You have morals as the devil himself! 9/11 terrorist where all Muslims and that’s a fact!

You are amazingly ignorant. I have never mentioned anything about theology on this site. Do you even know what the word means? I doubt it. You are crude, uneducated and ignorant. I feel sorry for you that you were not exposed to a better life. Maybe if you had you would not be so bitter. I hope you find happiness.

armwood said:
Do not quote me and then insert your ignorant vicious slander. Every major religion on earth has tons of blood on its hands. Post in an honest way. Do not quote me and then put lies underneath as if I wrote it. Have some integrity!

Fact: Facts remain the same and it is what it is a fact!

armwood said:
Every major religion on earth has tons of blood on its hands.

“During many ages there were witches. The Bible said so. The Bible commanded that they should not be allowed to live.
Therefore the Church, after doing its duty in but a lazy and indolent way for 800 years, gathered up its halters,
thumbscrews, and firebrands, and set about its holy work in earnest. She worked hard at it night and day during nine
centuries and imprisoned, tortured, hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of witches, and washed the Christian
world clean with their foul blood. Then it was discovered that there was no such thing as witches, and never had been.
One does not know whether to laugh or to cry.”
–Mark Twain (1835-1910)

Just4thefax said:
Fact: A differing opinion is not hate nor the forcefull way it’s presented!

A differing opinion isn’t hateful, but racists (I beg you to say you’re not) like you who can’t have a sensible debate or admit when they’ve been bested so they degenerate into baseless name-calling and insult-hurling while simultaneously making huge generalizations of their opposition are hateful.

Pablo said:
Do you have some numbers you’d like to offer, armwood, or do you just have the questions?

Maybe if you had asked more questions you would have done better in school and received a better education than you exhibit here.

armwood said:
You are amazingly ignorant. I have never mentioned anything about theology on this site. Do you even know what the word means? I doubt it. You are crude, uneducated and ignorant. I feel sorry for you that you were not exposed to a better life. Maybe if you had you would not be so bitter. I hope you find happiness.

Fact: You insert in every comment you make it’s so bright with whitey written between each word you post so I bet your mother is proud!

Notsosmart/just4theass get out of the computer lab and stop rating comments down lol

Just4thefax said:
Fact: You insert in every comment you make it’s so bright with whitey written between each word you post so I bet your mother is proud!

Deflection from the same guy who always calls others racist.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
A differing opinion isn’t hateful, but racists (I beg you to say you’re not) like you who can’t have a sensible debate or admit when they’ve been bested so they degenerate into baseless name-calling and insult-hurling while simultaneously making huge generalizations of their opposition are hateful.

How do you beg to say that someone is not a racist while you’re actively and affirmatively calling them a racist?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Deflection from the same guy who always calls others racist.

TRIGGER ALERT! Irony ahead.

Glen Beck, you are an idiot. Using YOUR definition of “terrorist” American teabaggers PLUS yourself would be labelled terrorists from the violent rhetoric you have spewed.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: You insert in every comment you make it’s so bright with whitey written between each word you post so I bet your mother is proud!

Besides being ignorant and bitter you apparently are paranoid. Can’t you get passes racial insults when nobody is talking about race. Are you so insecure that ever time you see a black person you brin g up race. Didn’t you parents teach you that this was wrong as well as being immoral? I really feel sorry for you.

armwood said:
Maybe if you had asked more questions you would have done better in school and received a better education than you exhibit here.

Maybe if you had a point, you’d make it instead of just being an obnoxious asshole with nothing to offer but outrageously unsubstantiated pretentiousness.

Just4thefax said:
fact: Why is it that most crime to blacks are black on blacks crimes! White militias, KKK very funny guy! Get your facts straight!

Your really showing your ignorance of history. What about Timothy McVeigh? Home grown terrorist and Armwood is absolutely correct with saying the Klan, this is not joke ! Your really just showing your lack knowledge or acceptance of our history here in the US.

armwood said:
Maybe if you had asked more questions you would have done better in school and received a better education than you exhibit here.

Fact: You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.
Liberals are America’s enemy within! Like You!

AH AH AH AH AH !

Pablo said:
How do you beg to say that someone is not a racist while you’re actively and affirmatively calling them a racist?

I beg him to say that he’s not so that I can show proof that he is. He has a history of saying “n-please” you can say that’s not racist if you want but it is. In regards to your other post, I don’t go around calling everybody racist simply because they oppose Obama. However, I do believe that people who have no idea what his policies are and who only throw around talking points with no substance behind them like those who think that the president “wants to ban fishing” have some other motivation to their malice.

Linda said:
Your really showing your ignorance of history. What about Timothy McVeigh? Home grown terrorist and Armwood is absolutely correct with saying the Klan, this is not joke ! Your really just showing your lack knowledge or acceptance of our history here in the US.

Fact: Timothy McVeigh hated America like the lefty lunitic he was! Like You!

The Count said:
AH AH AH AH AH !

W00t!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.
Liberals are America’s enemy within! Like You!

There you go making baseless accusations again. I suppose you’re going to throw out some “democrats are the real racists” and “liberals just want a check” lines now?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I beg him to say that he’s not so that I can show proof that he is.

1. I beg him to say that he’s not so that I can show proof that he is.

2. ????

3. Profit!!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.
Liberals are America’s enemy within! Like You!

That just has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I beg him to say that he’s not so that I can show proof that he is. He has a history of saying “n-please” you can say that’s not racist if you want but it is. In regards to your other post, I don’t go around calling everybody racist simply because they oppose Obama. However, I do believe that people who have no idea what his policies are and who only throw around talking points with no substance behind them like those who think that the president “wants to ban fishing” have some other motivation to their malice.

Fact: I beleive in the first admendment but you don’t like me to use it. You hate America and I’m not a racist. My America is different than the one you see and you can still act as if November 2nd didn’t happen so just wait to 2012 and see it again!

Pablo said:
1. I beg him to say that he’s not so that I can show proof that he is.

2. ????

3. Profit!!

Aaahhh, an underpants gnome reference. Too bad you don’t have an argument.

Just has just recently emerged from his chrysalis and taken his terminal form… Quite ugly as it is.

Linda said:
That just has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard!

Fact: Well you hear it all the time because your stuck in a stupid loop!

gordonbloyershow said:
University? LOL. Wait, yes some prisons do have college courses. Do they let you use a knife at dinner?

As much as I enjoy this little fantasy of yours, Gordon Blowhard, I’m getting a little creeped out having you continue to make up this dream version of my life. I’m a 22 year-old woman and you’re a creepy old man. Please feel free to start acting more appropriate.

Linda said:
That just has to be the stupidest thing I have ever heard!

Fact: The count says: AH AH AH AH

Just4thefax said:
Fact: I beleive in the first admendment but you don’t like me to use it. You hate America and I’m not a racist. My America is different than the one you see and you can still act as if November 2nd didn’t happen so just wait to 2012 and see it again!

Here’s what you don’t seem to get; the first amendment doesn’t admonish you from criticism. Stop throwing that bullshit around! Well last I checked non-racists don’t go around saying “n-please”. First off, off-year elections typically do favor the out-of power party, that’s been shown throughout history. Secondly, FACT: The turnout for the 2008 election was the largest in recent history. FACT: More people vote in presidential elections than off-year elections. FACT: You got rid of some moderates that Rahm emmanuel took advantage of. You’re right; 2012 can’t come soon enough.

Gasket said:
Glen Beck, you are an idiot. Using YOUR definition of “terrorist” American teabaggers PLUS yourself would be labelled terrorists from the violent rhetoric you have spewed.

Fact: How did you pick a name like Gasket? Was it because Sloan Valve was taken?

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Well you hear it all the time because your stuck in a stupid loop!

Great come back from a moron. wow, you are nuts! lol

Just4thefax said:
Fact: You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.
Liberals are America’s enemy within! Like You!

Do you learn a lot about someones family and the way they were raised from the way they behave and the things they say. You need to look in the mirror.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: The count says: AH AH AH AH

Does this mean your the idiot “Count” too? Figures!

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Here’s what you don’t seem to get; the first amendment doesn’t admonish you from criticism. Stop throwing that bullshit around! Well last I checked non-racists don’t go around saying “n-please”. First off, off-year elections typically do favor the out-of power party, that’s been shown throughout history. Secondly, FACT: The turnout for the 2008 election was the largest in recent history. FACT: More people vote in presidential elections than off-year elections. FACT: You got rid of some moderates that Rahm emmanuel took advantage of. You’re right; 2012 can’t come soon enough.

Fact: Look sore head it’s like this to me; Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster! Well I tell you and a few others here are defiantly monsters! So don’t lie leaving your stink bomb talking pointed fantasies out there because it’s a no sale!

Linda said:
Does this mean your the idiot “Count” too? Figures!

Fact: You have said it before; I am not an animal I am a human being! well it time to at least act like one!

armwood said:
Do you learn a lot about someones family and the way they were raised from the way they behave and the things they say. You need to look in the mirror.

Fact: The mirror has spoken! It looks like greatness! God bless America! You have a winner!

The only thing that folks like just and gordon do is inject themselves in such a manner as to foul the conversation. They are logical anarchists bent on converting the digital public sphere into debased dialogue. just’s avatar is no mistake… a dedicated disruptor of modernities advancement he is.

Fact: Schools out I need fuel!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Look sore head it’s like this to me; Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster! Well I tell you and a few others here are defiantly monsters! So don’t lie leaving your stink bomb talking pointed fantasies out there because it’s a no sale!

No defense or argument again, eh?

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Schools out I need fuel!

Get a brain while your at it!

Contessa said:
…a note to posters: The longer your screed, the less people even attempt to read it.

Perhaps true, but when a thread gets to more than a hundred or so comments consisting of one or two lines with a bunch of personal insults, nobody’s reading anyway.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
No defense or argument again, eh?

Linda said:
Get a brain while your at it!

Fact: I bitch slapped the both of you so much. Granted I don’t feel bad about it so it’s like this. It must help the disadvantaged that you two have the luck of a bad of a memory, so it is that both of you enjoys several times daily the same feeling of being slapped like it was for the first time. Wow that’s taking it for the team right, left nuts?

jjay7381 said:
I’m a 22 year-old woman and you’re a creepy old man. Please feel free to start acting more appropriate.

Why should anyone believe what you say? Anyone can hide behind a phony name and say they are Tina Fey and how would we know? Anyone can find out who I am. What is your problem?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
No defense or argument again, eh?

Just4thefax said:
Fact: I bitch slapped the both of you so much. Granted I don’t feel bad about it so it’s like this. It must help the disadvantaged that you two have the luck of a bad of a memory, so it is that both of you enjoys several times daily the same feeling of being slapped like it was for the first time. Wow that’s taking it for the team right, left nuts?

LOL If only you had a brain…… Reminds me of the Wizard of OZ……. Not so bright. and Just4fox.. your the “Tin Men” too funny ….. I will come up with more soon :)

Kermit said:
LOL If only you had a brain…… Reminds me of the Wizard of OZ……. Not so bright. and Just4fox.. your the “Tin Men” too funny ….. I will come up with more soon :)

ok …. I’ll be Dorthy…. if Mr. Cockshmeir will be Toto and George C (Would put a shirt on) will be the Lion.. oh yes and the Scarecrow is Pablo.

What a cast!!!!!!!!! oh… don’t forget the Wizard of OZ……..Murdoch :(

Flying Monkey’s played by all the brainless FOX Viewers :)

Kermit said:
LOL If only you had a brain…… Reminds me of the Wizard of OZ……. Not so bright. and Just4fox.. your the “Tin Men” too funny ….. I will come up with more soon :)

Fact: Nobody takes Albert aka Kermit seriously do they! Hell it dosn’t hurt to try!

including the cast above…..

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You have a great sense of humor Countier…. a real turn on…… ohhhhhhhhhhhh baby!

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oK…. Count…. True confession, I kind of like you…. in that way…. kiss kiss hug hug…. I suppose we have to come out of our closets and admit were just a couple of guy puppets…. Oh I do love you Count! …….your on the bottom this time ;)

gordonbloyershow said:
Why should anyone believe what you say? Anyone can hide behind a phony name and say they are Tina Fey and how would we know? Anyone can find out who I am. What is your problem?

My problem is that I’m not dumb enough to post my full identity all over the internet. Some of us eventually have to leave our basements and go out into the real world and interact in it. I don’t expect you to understand that.

This is for you dim witted perverts, get off tonight while your moms basement.

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Kermit said:
ok …. I’ll be Dorthy…. if Mr. Cockshmeir will be Toto and George C (Would put a shirt on) will be the Lion.. oh yes and the Scarecrow is Pablo. What a cast!!!!!!!!! oh… don’t forget the Wizard of OZ……..Murdoch :( Flying Monkey’s played by all the brainless FOX Viewers :)

You truly are insane… I’m not surprised…

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sticks said:
You truly are insane… I’m not surprised…

You really need to lighten up you ass!

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Kermit said:
You really need to lighten up you ass!

Lighten up ?… Hey, I posted some funny chit today !… Of course, I can see how you would’nt have thought so… Do you realize in the last hour, me and one other person have posted, the rest are you talking to yourself ?… Some of it is kinda funny… You should do a little more of that, instead of the bashing just to bash… And for Christ sakes just be Elaine, Albert, Kermit, whoever, but pick one already…

Kermit said:
Questions and Answers from AARP Forum:
Q: Where can single men over the age of 60 find younger, women who are interested in them?
A: Try a bookstore, under Fiction.
Q: What can a man do while his wife is going through menopause?
A: Keep busy. If you’re handy with tools, you can finish the basement. When you’re done, you will have a place to live.
Q: Someone has told me that menopause is mentioned in the Bible … Is that true? Where can it be found?
A: Yes. Matthew 14:92: “And Mary rode Joseph’s ass all the way to Egypt .”
Q: How can you increase the heart rate of your over-60 year-old husband?
A: Tell him you’re pregnant.
Q: How can you avoid that terrible curse of the elderly wrinkles?
A: Take off your glasses.
Q: Seriously! What can I do for these Crow’s feet and all those wrinkles on my face?
A: Go braless. It will usually pull them out..
Q: Why should 60-plus year old people use valet parking?
A: Valets don’t forget where they park your car.
Q: Is it common for 60-plus year olds to have problems with short term memory storage?
A: Storing memory is not a problem, Retrieving it is the problem.
Q: As people age, do they sleep more soundly?
A: Yes, but usually in the afternoon.
Q: Where should 60-plus year olds look for eye glasses?
A: On their foreheads.
Q: What is the most common remark made by 60-plus year olds when they enter antique stores?
A: “Gosh, I remember these!”

Geese!!!! you people just don’t have any sense of humor do you… This was a funny one too!!

sticks said:
Lighten up ?… Hey, I posted some funny chit today !… Of course, I can see how you would’nt have thought so… Do you realize in the last hour, me and one other person have posted, the rest are you talking to yourself ?… Some of it is kinda funny… You should do a little more of that, instead of the bashing just to bash… And for Christ sakes just be Elaine, Albert, Kermit, whoever, but pick one already…

Sticks they all wen to bed by now.. … I am not going to blame it on you….

went to bed.

sticks said:
Lighten up ?… Hey, I posted some funny chit today !… Of course, I can see how you would’nt have thought so… Do you realize in the last hour, me and one other person have posted, the rest are you talking to yourself ?… Some of it is kinda funny… You should do a little more of that, instead of the bashing just to bash… And for Christ sakes just be Elaine, Albert, Kermit, whoever, but pick one already…

Only if you promises to be nice.

In my opinion, the problem with nonsensical commenter rants and the back and forth name-calling is that if you’d like to comment on the post or engage another commenter, you have to get it in before the thread goes entirely off the rails and commenting becomes a wasted effort.

For example, I could clip the following;

Pablo said:
Uh, sorry. No he didn’t. “That’s just crazy!” isn’t how you disprove a thesis. Nor is taking a single year and figuring out how many Muslims it took to commit the ELEVEN THOUSAND acts of terror that Zakaria concedes Muslims committed in 2009.

And point out that the 11,000 is a State Department number which Zakaria takes pains to explain includes “all terror attacks, everywhere in the world, including Afghanistan and Iraq which are really war zones”. So not only is the number inflated by the hotspots, but it includes all terror attacks and not just those committed by Muslims.

But unfortunately, very few people will read down this far because all of the above banter is pointless and boring as hell. Pablo might see it because he may do as I do and scan or search for replies with my handle, but other than him and a handful of others, nobody will see what he or I wrote.

Obviously, frequent commenters would scan for their respective handle and not just the one for me.

(Once again, see what happens when one gets overly snarky about form or grammar: a mistake)

Kermit said:
You sure like to twist and change words a lot don’t you cockshmer……. Ahole!

Hey Kernit, here’s an update for you: Fuck off, dickhole. There’s some stupid motherfuckers on here, but you take the cake, man.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Hey Kernit, here’s an update for you: Fuck off, dickhole. There’s some stupid motherfuckers on here, but you take the cake, man.

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Mr.Papshmer said:
Hey Kernit, here’s an update for you: Fuck off, dickhole. There’s some stupid motherfuckers on here, but you take the cake, man.

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Mr.Papshmer said:
Hey Kernit, here’s an update for you: Fuck off, dickhole. There’s some stupid motherfuckers on here, but you take the cake, man.

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Magister said:
And point out that the 11,000 is a State Department number which Zakaria takes pains to explain includes “all terror attacks, everywhere in the world, including Afghanistan and Iraq which are really war zones”. So not only is the number inflated by the hotspots, but it includes all terror attacks and not just those committed by Muslims.

1. The number is inflated by reality. It really doesn’t matter where people are mass murdering civilians for effect, it’s still terrorism.

2. You’re correct, that number could be off by as many as 5. So, let me retract and revise it to the TEN THOUSAND NINE HUNDRED AND NINETY FIVE acts of terror that Zakaria concedes Muslims committed in 2009.

Stu Burguiere writing at The Blaze:

Fareed’s GPS Fails Him Spectacularly

Fareed. Awful job.

Perhaps, when trying to claim that someone else is incorrect, you should at least briefly familiarize yourself with their argument. In this case, the statistical backup from the respected polling agency that clearly proves what they said was accurate.

Seriously. Eight seconds of research would have saved you a lot of embarrassment. In case you missed it, like everyone else in the world, CNN‘s Fareed Zakaria tried to disprove Glenn Beck’s comment from earlier this week about 10 percent of Muslims being terrorists. Soon-to-be-hilarious-punchline-for-massive-failure Piers Morgan even retweeted it. Neither personality on the network spent even a moment trying to avoid falling flat on their faces.

Here is some GPS for next time:
Go to google.com
Search to see if the claim from several days earlier has been addressed.
See if there have been media organizations that have already apologized for the opinion you are about to give.
Schedule something else for the block that no one is going to watch.

If Glenn made a mistake like this, it would be a 30 minute monologue on the Daily Show. Fortunately, Fareed won’t have to worry about that because no one knows who he is.

@Pablo: I’m glad you skimmed past the recipes and provocative frog poses. Somebody needs to put a scrubber on that smokestack because it’s been polluting the atmosphere (under several names) for days.

Otherwise, it’s nice that Beck’s letting Stu man the helm on explaining Beck’s obviously problematic quote. Sure, Jon issued a conditional apology with a couple of caveats, but that doesn’t mean that he should have or wasn’t right to start, it just means that he doesn’t have the stomach for a multi-day argument with Stu.

As to whether or not Jon Stewart would’ve done a segment, I’m sure Stu thinks he and Beck are the center of the universe, but TDS only does two stories a day and they can’t fry Beck, every time he gives a bad quote. They’d never get anything else done.

jjay7381 said:
My problem is that I’m not dumb enough to post my full identity all over the internet. Some of us eventually have to leave our basements and go out into the real world and interact in it. I don’t expect you to understand that.

Oh, yes I do. You can’t go out in the real world holding the views you do without getting your ass kicked.

I have no problem, the majority agree with me. I am very safe.

Magister said:
Sure, Jon issued a conditional apology with a couple of caveats, but that doesn’t mean that he should have or wasn’t right to start, it just means that he doesn’t have the stomach for a multi-day argument with Stu.

Actually, Jon conceded the facts and then moved on to arguing his feelings about them. And Fareed truly has failed when instead of seeking out the facts he’s making assumptions and logical leaps, then fashioning arithmetic to tie it all together into something that appears, from a distance, to be an argument. It isn’t.
Did you catch the part where he says the figure was made up by Glenn Beck and has no basis in fact? Is either of those statements correct? No. And Fareed knows this, but dismisses it with a wave of his hand. Do we get an accurate figure from Fareed? No. We get “Well, Peter Bergen says that other people say .1%” That’s not very sciency. That’s “I found someone I’m going to call an expert, and then I’ll take his opinion as a statistical fact.” Fareed fails.

Oh, and the Elaine B/Kermit thing must go. Really. Enough already.

Wow, this CNN guy stinks, but I bet both people watching him liked it when he slammed Beck. Idiots.

Magister said:
As to whether or not Jon Stewart would’ve done a segment, I’m sure Stu thinks he and Beck are the center of the universe, but TDS only does two stories a day and they can’t fry Beck, every time he gives a bad quote. They’d never get anything else done.

Which is why they spent about 66% of the show mocking Beck one time.

Kermit said:
bit me dick head

God damn homes, that qualifies you as one of the smartest dickhole slurpin’ piece of shit progressives here, I take back what I said about your intelligence, you’re right up there with the kindergarten class!

Calvin said:
Which is why they spent about 66% of the show mocking Beck one time.

What does Stewart call Beck again?

armwood said:
Maybe if you had asked more questions you would have done better in school and received a better education than you exhibit here.

Fact: Here’s one of those peace lovers!
Ron C. de Weijze says:
December 11, 2010 at 11:09 pm Ron C. de Weijze(Quote)
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Recep Erdogan, president of Turkey, does not need Wikileaks on his tail or Obama apologizing and appeasing, for he speaks his mind on the East v the West with candor: “You cannot be secular and Muslim simultaneously. The one and a half billion Muslims worldwide are waiting for the revolt of the Turkish people. We will revolt. With Allah’s approval the rebellion will begin.”

Fact: Point here it’s a fact!

armwood said:
Do not quote me and then insert your ignorant vicious slander. Every major religion on earth has tons of blood on its hands. Post in an honest way. Do not quote me and then put lies underneath as if I wrote it. Have some integrity!

Fact: Just posted again a fact from a peace lover in the name of Allahs gang of thugs!

Pablo said:
If Glenn made a mistake like this, it would be a 30 minute monologue on the Daily Show. Fortunately, Fareed won’t have to worry about that because no one knows who he is.

Wow is that a non compelling argument.

Magister said:
As to whether or not Jon Stewart would’ve done a segment, I’m sure Stu thinks he and Beck are the center of the universe, but TDS only does two stories a day and they can’t fry Beck, every time he gives a bad quote. They’d never get anything else done.

As a matter of fact, not long ago Jon S mentioned something in passing about Beck and as the audience laughed he reached in his pocket and slowly pulled out the Beck glasses , then tossed them across the desk saying “Aw F*** it , it’s just too easy” Jon’s satire is largely pointing out bullshit in,politics and in the media which is why Beck has been so good to him by dishing out so much obvious bullshit, but I think even Jon S has grown tired of constantly mocking him. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t deserve it.

give it a break, stewart makes fun of beck, so what. he cant make fun of schultz or olbermann nobody would know who he was talking about

armwood said:
Have you ever had dinner or lunch with and of those Muslims? I doubt it.

Don’t make comments unless you know the facts…it’ll make you look like an idiot. My first girlfriend was Muslim. I spent plenty of time with her and her family. The were an enlightened group of Muslims. Not those fools stuck in the 8th Century.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Just posted again a fact from a peace lover in the name of Allahs gang of thugs!

You’re wasting your time with armwood, man. He’s one of those guys who believes his idiot friends are a good sampling of the general public, and because they’re awed when he recites The Discovery Channel, he thinks there’s a place for him in the brave new post-America world.

gordonbloyershow said:
This the way the Beck haters work. They put words in his mouth that he didn’t say and then they attack what they claim he said.

Beck earned his crown on his own from us Becker haters. In many countries he would be imprisoned for some the convoluted stuff he comes up with. The sad thing is he has people who believe much of this garbage. He is like an evangelist who siphons money off his believers. I have said it before and I’ll say again The one eyed man is king in the land of the blind.

armwood said:
It is sad to see the amount of ignorance and hate in our society.

- Clearly you do not socialize out of your tiny inbred circle of friends who are all the same.
- Glen Beck is an idiot.
- Do not quote me and then insert your ignorant vicious slander.
- fox makes money selling hate to insecure and ignorant people. People who are unhappy and frustrated with their lives like enemies to attack so they do not have to face their own failures in life. Many such people inhabit this site.
- You are crude, uneducated and ignorant.
- if you had asked more questions you would have done better in school and received a better education than you exhibit here.
- Besides being ignorant and bitter you apparently are paranoid.

All of the above were quotes from “armwood.” He’s right about our society being full off hate and ignorance, but half of it comes fro him. This guy is full of hate.

Hey ARMWOOD, carrying all that hate, bitterness and contempt is bad for your health. Why don’t you take up zoga or meditation. I’m sure it’ll help lower the high blood pressure you obviously have.

I meditate twice a day, so maybe I can give you a little lesson. Ok, sit in a quiet place, close your eyes and start by listening to your breathing. After a couple miutes, repeat a mantra with each exhale. You you I’d recommend “release the hatred, release the hatred.”‘

Try it son and I’m sure you wont be so hateful.

Magister said:
Otherwise, it’s nice that Beck’s letting Stu man the helm on explaining Beck’s obviously problematic quote. Sure, Jon issued a conditional apology with a couple of caveats, but that doesn’t mean that he should have or wasn’t right to start, it just means that he doesn’t have the stomach for a multi-day argument with Stu.

I noticed Fareed dealt directly with Stu’s poll. There’s a lot of good information in that poll that is being ignored while we focus on whether Beck’s 10% is correct. Such as , overwhelmingly , the people interviewed think the US should not have a military presence in Muslim countries and yet for decades our response had been to increase our military presence.
Tell me if I need to refine my thinking here , but here’s a problem I see with Beck’s assertion and the technical use of a dictionary definition to support his number.
1 a you pointed out, these surveys were done in largely Muslim nations and do not include the many Muslims living in other countries. That doesn’t prove the figure is wrong , it just recognizes that the survey is somewhat narrow compared to Beck’s assertion.
2. my biggest problem is the definition. Stu stresses “advocates” and then uses the survey to support Beck’s claim. The definition also says, “usually part of a group” So are we talking a group, like Al Queda, or will we just extend the group to include all Muslims as Beck did?
I’ll address the rest after work.

cjd ohio 1 said:
give it a break, stewart makes fun of beck, so what. he cant make fun of schultz or olbermann nobody would know who he was talking about

And yet he does.

rarely

armwood is not arrogant. He merely thinks that anyone who disagrees with anything he says is ignorant.

Pablo said:
What does Stewart call Beck again?

I call him a dumb shit!

gordonbloyershow said:
Oh, yes I do. You can’t go out in the real world holding the views you do without getting your ass kicked.

I have no problem, the majority agree with me. I am very safe.

You mean the majority in your virtual world. ahhhh

Mr.Papshmer said:
You’re wasting your time with armwood, man. He’s one of those guys who believes his idiot friends are a good sampling of the general public, and because they’re awed when he recites The Discovery Channel, he thinks there’s a place for him in the brave new post-America world.

Fact: Not on this Patroits watch!

Truth said:
Beck earned his crown on his own from us Becker haters. In many countries he would be imprisoned for some the convoluted stuff he comes up with.

Kinda sounds like you’d be in favor of that. Personally, I’m glad I live in the United States, though there are losers who’d like to change what we have. Now go take an Obama, wipe your Napolitano, and be glad that you can still type your crazy shit without fear of retribution.

CosmosDan said:
but I think even Jon S has grown tired of constantly mocking him.

That must be why he did that whole Rally to Restore Sanity month before last. To show that Glenn Beck is passe, and he really doesn’t care about him.

Magister said:
Otherwise, it’s nice that Beck’s letting Stu man the helm on explaining Beck’s obviously problematic quote.

3. How was the survey worded and where is the line drawn for advocates? Does advocate mean being somehow actively engaged in some activity that targets US civilians , or simply a man on the street attitude of “since they are over here killing Muslim civilians , then why should I care about killing them? Does it mean that individual would ever actively engage in terrorist activities? I think that’s what is pointed out in Fareed’s use of numbers in 100 times 11.000. actual terrorist activities. I Submit that Beck is doing what he always does and playing with words and definitions to inflame and exaggerate. I think the average person on the street would think of terrorists as people actively engage in activities that target civilians while Stu and Beck are extending the definition to Muslims who simply hold an opinion and have not engaged.
4. Let’s look even closer at their use of the definition. The survey seems to say that around 10% give or take think that killing US civilians MAY be the only way to get the US to listen to their demands. That translate to me that they support the killing of US civilians, if it is necessary.
How many Muslim civilians have we had a hand in killing in the past nine years? You can rightly claim that we didn’t specifically target Muslim civilians {I’d say that isn’t completely honest} but we’d have to acknowledge that we too are willing to accept civilian deaths to achieve our ends. Isn’t it accurate to say we have our hand in killing 10 times as many Muslim civilians as they have US civilians, probably more? So average US citizens who have supported the war as a necessary evil have by extension supported the killing of Muslim civilians right? Do you suppose that number was or is more than 10%.

That’s the kind of morality word games I see Beck play all the time. IMO it’s intellectually and purposely dishonest.

GlennBeckReview said:
“They may wait until Time Magazine picks their person of the year to publish it as that would give his story more legs if Beck is selected.”

Scott_in_MI says:
“What a bunch of BS. Do you actually expect us to believe Time magazine would sit on a negative story regarding Beck?”

What a shock, SHOCK I write, to see that your reading comprehension is not up to a high school graduate level. I never wrote that Time was the publisher with the story. I wrote that “they,” the journalist who researched and wrote the story and whatever publisher (I do not know which one) that now has the story, may wait until “Time Magazine picks their person of the year.”

Scott, don’t ever come off like you’re some kind of intelligent person ever again. You showed yourself to be rather dim on this one. As Homer Simpson would react: D’oh!

Pablo said:
That must be why he did that whole Rally to Restore Sanity month before last. To show that Glenn Beck is passe, and he really doesn’t care about him.

The incident I spoke of was very recent. A week or two, and the DC rally was not about Beck or copying Beck so I don’t believe you have point here.

cosmos , then you must think FDR was a war criminal or by targeting german civilians

and the american people also

And now to address the ethical little person, gordontheblowhardwithashow:

GlennBeckReview said:
‘No Gordon, this isn’t a lie. I don’t lie. In fact, I’ve wiped your stupidity all over the floor every time you accuse me of lying.”

gordontheblowhardwithashow says:
“YOU lie everytime you post. You lied when you claimed Beck loses money for Fox. You presented NO proof of that claim. How many lies do I have to list.
You lied about his gold sponser. You had no idea that there are gold coins that are worth more than the minted coin value. That is why you make all those mistakes you have no idea what you are talking about.
I will be waiting for that BIG bombshell. LOL.”

Damn, your sheer stupidity is getting old, Mr. Blowhard. I did present proof that Beck loses money for Fox. Doubt it? Ask the man who did the calculation, Angelo Carusone: stopbeck@gmail.com. Ask him how much money Fox is losing as a consequence of over 300 dropped sponsors. I was repeating his claim, so if he changed his mind or math, let me know.

You claim that I “had no idea that there are gold coins that are worth more than the minted coin value,” but a) I made no such claim and b) you obviously have not called Goldline. Try it and ask them about the coins Beck buys. They are numismatic and not worth their weight in gold when purchased. That is what I asserted. Beck himself has declared that his approach to gold coin collecting is “insane.” I could not agree more.

You won’t have to wait much longer for the bombshell. Try not to wet your panties in anticipation. LOL….jerk!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Not on this Patroits watch!

Mr.Papshmer said:
You’re wasting your time with armwood, man. He’s one of those guys who believes his idiot friends are a good sampling of the general public, and because they’re awed when he recites The Discovery Channel, he thinks there’s a place for him in the brave new post-America world.

Talking to yourself again?

And with regards to Mr. beck’s assertion:

“With a deadpan, Beck insists that he is not political: ‘I could give a flying crap about the political process.’ Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. ‘We’re an entertainment company,’ Beck says. He has managed to monetize virtually everything that comes out of his mouth.”

GlennBeckReview said:
I did present proof that Beck loses money for Fox.

If he was losing money for Fox, he’d be gone. Don’t try bringing that BS claim of the 300 dropped sponsors. Thats like saying you’d be making money on your Obsessed-with-Beck Blog, but you can’t get any sponsors.

For someone who constantly questions the intelligence level of everyone else, you sure are are dumbass.

GlennBeckReview said:
Ask the man who did the calculation, Angelo Carusone: stopbeck@gmail.com. Ask him how much money Fox is losing as a consequence of over 300 dropped sponsors.

Your obsession is unhealthy, man. And you never did answer the question about your own backing. I just figured you were a lone loser, but your refusal to answer now has me wondering.

Also, it’s pretty clear that Fox is just hemorrhaging money, right? Fuzzy math there, homes. If I take my car to the dealership and trade it in for a new one, does that mean I lost my car? You can’t be that fucking stupid, or maybe you can be. Seems to me that Fox runs just as many commercials as ever. :)

GlennBeckReview said:
You won’t have to wait much longer for the bombshell.

Gordon,

I’m sure it’s some huge scandal like Beck jaywalked when he was twelve or threw snowballs at a girl when he was 8.

Do you think that when this “bombshell” comes out and proves to be a dud GBR will ease up on his complete and life-consuming obsession with Beck?

Mr.Papshmer said:
You can’t be that fucking stupid, or maybe you can be.

I used to think that same thing, but then he tops his stupidity. Just understand that throughout the day the only word in his head is “Quoth the Beckster: BECK, BECK, BECK, BECK.”

Its like the Raven tormenting the character in Poe’s poem, “Quoth the raven, `Nevermore.’”

GBR, I hope you realize that in the poem, the Raven drove that dude crazy. So be careful.

Scott_in_MI said:
I’m sure it’s some huge scandal like Beck jaywalked when he was twelve or threw snowballs at a girl when he was 8.

The “bombshell” is the old and debunked story that Beck raped some chick years ago.

Fact:: NO ONE WITH A BRAIN TAKES BECK SERIOUSLY. THAT IS WHY HE IS A REGULAR ON FOX.

Kermit said:
Fact:: NO ONE WITH A BRAIN TAKES BECK SERIOUSLY. THAT IS WHY HE IS A REGULAR ON FOX.

Then why do you even care, dick cheese?

Mr.Papshmer said:
Then why do you even care, dick cheese?

Cockshmer, you have a lot of nerve for a ass hole!

Mr.Papshmer said:
The “bombshell” is the old and debunked story that Beck raped some chick years ago.

beck never raped and murdered a girl in the ’90s. it was just someone trying to make a point on something beck does on his show everyday. the person who made the site did it under the preface that he didn’t believe beck raped and murdered a girl in the ’90s and if he was innocent of raping and murdering a girl in the ’90s, he should come out and publicly say “i did not rape and murder a girl in the ’90s”

personally, i don’t believe glen beck raped and murdered a girl in the ’90′s and don’t think it’s fair for people to say glen beck raped and murdered a girl in the 90′s.

i wish people like mr. papshmear would stop spreading rumors like glen beck had raped and murdered a girl in the ’90′s.

over 300 comments? gee whiz, glen should be honored.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
over 300 comments? gee whiz, glen should be honored.

Yes and leave the air! Honor our request.

I’ve worked and lived in Indonesia, Malaysia and Kuwait (’89-’95). I returned to the US with the message to my friends that Islam was the biggest threat to world peace since Nazism and Communism.

The questions should not be whether or not 10% of Muslims were active or supportive of terrorists.

The question I asked, in the 3 three countries above and in the US, was” If a holy jihad is called by the top Islamic Leaders, which called for all Muslims to kill all Americans, what would you do?

With no particular change in tone or facial expression, about 90% said “Of course I would have to kill Americans, or I would be violating the Quran and I would not be permitted to enter Paradise”.

These were mostly males, but I asked the same question of about 50 educated females, and while about 25 refused to answer, most of the other females said the same as did the males.

So, ask the right questions of Muslims!

change the channel kermit, its easy

CosmosDan said:
The incident I spoke of was very recent. A week or two, and the DC rally was not about Beck or copying Beck so I don’t believe you have point here.

Right. Stewart just came up with the idea of having a rally on the National Mall

ChiliPeppersFan said:
beck never raped and murdered a girl in the ’90s. it was just someone trying to make a point on something beck does on his show everyday. the person who made the site did it under the preface that he didn’t believe beck raped and murdered a girl in the ’90s and if he was innocent of raping and murdering a girl in the ’90s, he should come out and publicly say “i did not rape and murder a girl in the ’90s”

personally, i don’t believe glen beck raped and murdered a girl in the ’90’s and don’t think it’s fair for people to say glen beck raped and murdered a girl in the 90’s.

i wish people like mr. papshmear would stop spreading rumors like glen beck had raped and murdered a girl in the ’90’s.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
beck never raped and murdered a girl in the ’90s. it was just someone trying to make a point on something beck does on his show everyday. the person who made the site did it under the preface that he didn’t believe beck raped and murdered a girl in the ’90s and if he was innocent of raping and murdering a girl in the ’90s, he should come out and publicly say “i did not rape and murder a girl in the ’90s”

personally, i don’t believe glen beck raped and murdered a girl in the ’90’s and don’t think it’s fair for people to say glen beck raped and murdered a girl in the 90’s.

i wish people like mr. papshmear would stop spreading rumors like glen beck had raped and murdered a girl in the ’90’s.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
beck never raped and murdered a girl in the ’90s. it was just someone trying to make a point on something beck does on his show everyday. the person who made the site did it under the preface that he didn’t believe beck raped and murdered a girl in the ’90s and if he was innocent of raping and murdering a girl in the ’90s, he should come out and publicly say “i did not rape and murder a girl in the ’90s”

personally, i don’t believe glen beck raped and murdered a girl in the ’90’s and don’t think it’s fair for people to say glen beck raped and murdered a girl in the 90’s.

i wish people like mr. papshmear would stop spreading rumors like glen beck had raped and murdered a girl in the ’90’s.

totally out of the blue, all by himself. And the name and the logo are absolutely not derived from Glenn Beck’s. A completely original idea in both concept and execution. Sure, Dan.

OK, I have no idea how that happened, but disregard the chili quotes.

if there is a bombshell announcement on glen beck, i wouldn’t be surprised if it had something to do with his mother. i read in that alex zaitchik story http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2009/09/21/glenn_beck/
there was some unanswered questions on his mother’s death.
beck seemed to claim it was a suicide, coincidently when his book about the xmas sweater came out. it could be something about the guy she was in the boat in which she drowned.
maybe if it isn’t true that his mother was having an affair with him, he should come out on his show and say it isn’t true.

Scott_in_MI said:
I’m sure it’s some huge scandal like Beck jaywalked when he was twelve or threw snowballs at a girl when he was 8.

Do you think that when this “bombshell” comes out and proves to be a dud GBR will ease up on his complete and life-consuming obsession with Beck?

Oh, hell no. That boy is nuts, and reality has very little impact on him.

Pablo said:
OK, I have no idea how that happened, but disregard the chili quotes.

i won’t be offended even though i always read yours.

cjd ohio 1 said:
change the channel kermit, its easy

He doesn’t watch Fox, but people tell him he should hate Fox, so he does.

Kermit said:
THAT IS WHY HE IS A REGULAR ON FOX.

If he did, he’d know that Beck has a show, as opposed to being a “regular on Fox”. He’s merely a chump who allows people to lead him around by the nose.

btw…that whole glen beck murder thing was based on a gilber gottfriend bit on a bob saget roast.
http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=179741&title=gilbert-gottfried-pt.-1

i never like saget until i saw the aristocrats.

GlennBeckReview said:
“I did present proof that Beck loses money for Fox.”

Clueless Scott_in_MI says:
“If he was losing money for Fox, he’d be gone. Don’t try bringing that BS claim of the 300 dropped sponsors. Thats like saying you’d be making money on your Obsessed-with-Beck Blog, but you can’t get any sponsors. For someone who constantly questions the intelligence level of everyone else, you sure are are dumbass.”

Scott, you really don’t know what Murdoch is doing with his propaganda networks, do you? There are lots of reasons Beck should be “gone,” but he’s kept there because he’s an excellent rabble rouser. There are many clueless people who are easily led backwards in America, and it’s Beck’s role on Fox to do that. Fox is making enough money that Murdoch can well afford to use the unprofitable Beck to keep the people scared shitless and angry at the Dems. Scott, you really need to study up on propaganda.

That “BS” claim of 300 dropped sponsors comes from the NY Times Magazine article that was published on Beck recently, and it concurs with the understanding from Angelo (StopBeck.com). What doesn’t make a lick of sense (like much of what you post here) is “Thats (sic) like saying you’d be making money on your Obsessed-with-Beck Blog, but you can’t get any sponsors.” If I had sponsors for The Glenn Beck Review, it would be making money. Forget the irrelevance my blog has with Beck having lost 300 sponsors for a minute and examine your analogy. It IS like saying if there are no sponsors, you lose money for operations that cost money (Beck’s salary and crew costs, etc.), but my blog has no expenses. You’re trying to use an orange as an analogy for an apple.

Oh, and genius, dumb ass is two words. It bears repeating: Scott, don’t ever come off like you’re some kind of intelligent person ever again. You showed yourself to be rather dim on this one too.

Mr.Papshmer says:
“Your obsession is unhealthy, man. And you never did answer the question about your own backing. I just figured you were a lone loser, but your refusal to answer now has me wondering.”

Sure it is, and your use of a feminine test for cancer is perfectly healthy. Right?

I’ve answered questions about my backing at your request twice already. I’ll skip all the details given and ignored previously to tell you that the Syracuse Examiner is the only source of income I have for my media watchdog efforts. If you need anymore details, search Glenn Beck here and go back to read my more elaborate answers to your query.

You didn’t “figure” that I am a lone anything because figuring requires reasoning skills that you appear to lack. No, Pap smear, you ASSUMED your conclusions about me, and that just makes an asshole out of you. (Not exactly a news flash there.)

Idea: do some f#$king homework before asking your nosy question again.

dahni said:
I’ve worked and lived in Indonesia, Malaysia and Kuwait (‘89-’95). I returned to the US with the message to my friends that Islam was the biggest threat to world peace since Nazism and Communism.

The questions should not be whether or not 10% of Muslims were active or supportive of terrorists.

The question I asked, in the 3 three countries above and in the US, was” If a holy jihad is called by the top Islamic Leaders, which called for all Muslims to kill all Americans, what would you do?

With no particular change in tone or facial expression, about 90% said “Of course I would have to kill Americans, or I would be violating the Quran and I would not be permitted to enter Paradise”.

These were mostly males, but I asked the same question of about 50 educated females, and while about 25 refused to answer, most of the other females said the same as did the males.

So, ask the right questions of Muslims!

Brovo!

GlennBeckReview said:
Mr.Papshmer says:“Your obsession is unhealthy, man. And you never did answer the question about your own backing. I just figured you were a lone loser, but your refusal to answer now has me wondering.” Sure it is, and your use of a feminine test for cancer is perfectly healthy. Right? I’ve answered questions about my backing at your request twice already. I’ll skip all the details given and ignored previously to tell you that the Syracuse Examiner is the only source of income I have for my media watchdog efforts. If you need anymore details, search Glenn Beck here and go back to read my more elaborate answers to your query. You didn’t “figure” that I am a lone anything because figuring requires reasoning skills that you appear to lack. No, Pap smear, you ASSUMED your conclusions about me, and that just makes an asshole out of you. (Not exactly a news flash there.) Idea: do some f#$king homework before asking your nosy question again.

Mr Papshmer, I believe GBR this time. Who’d buy ad space on his website? He’s got like three vistors: him, his mom and that weird dude down the block.

GBR, the fact of the matter is you lied about Beck losing money for Fox. You try covering up your lie by using the 300 sponsor line, but only a simpleton would believe that. Its like saying Fox is losing money on its SuperBowl coverage because Amtrak wont buy ad space (of course, someone else would quickly drop the cash to take a spot.)

Finally, dumb ass is one word when you’re talking about a specific person dumbass.

Quoth the Beckster: Beck, Beck, Beck.

Keep trying to shake those voice in your head.

Mr.Papshmer said:
He doesn’t watch Fox, but people tell him he should hate Fox, so he does.

If he did, he’d know that Beck has a show, as opposed to being a “regular on Fox”. He’s merely a chump who allows people to lead him around by the nose.

I have watched fox news and it made me sick with all the propaganda and lies. I just can’t take that crap anymore.
But I do agree with you that Beck . “He’s merely a chump who allows people to lead him around by the nose”

Kermit said:
I have watched fox news and it made me sick with all the propaganda and lies. I just can’t take that crap anymore.
But I do agree with you that Beck . “He’s merely a chump who allows people to lead him around by the nose”

it was in another thread that someone made the comparison of beck to father coughlin.
when all is said and done, that is how beck will be viewed…just another sad, religious nut who makes all his money peddling hate.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
it was in another thread that someone made the comparison of beck to father coughlin.
when all is said and done, that is how beck will be viewed…just another sad, religious nut who makes all his money peddling hate.

Do you have examples of Beck peddling hate? I can’t watch his show, but I have no reason to believe that he does.

for him to say the president had a deep seated hatred for white people and then walk it back only when he was trying to get positive coverage for his rally was just one example.
when he was a morning dj, he taunted a rival dj by making fun of his wife’s recent miscarriage…on the air, live.
sure he will claim that he was a drunk. i don’t know about you, but no matter how much i’ve had to drink something that hateful will never come out of my mouth.

that dj story is in that salon story i linked earlier.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Do you have examples of Beck peddling hate? I can’t watch his show, but I have no reason to believe that he does.

just thinking about it, his whole show is about how obama, his administration, george soros, and basically every progressive…all of them are trying to destroy or circumvent the constitution of the united states and turn this country into a socialist nation. i know i would hate anyone who tried to do that.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
for him to say the president had a deep seated hatred for white people

A bit of an embellishment? He said that Obama is racist, which is true. Anyway, if calling someone a racist is peddling hate, then the entire Democrat party is guilty of peddling hate.

Your other example is just dumb. You came up with two examples, One doesn’t hold water, and the other you have to dredge up an incident out of his alcoholic past. Not exactly a compelling case you’re making.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
it was in another thread that someone made the comparison of beck to father coughlin.
when all is said and done, that is how beck will be viewed…just another sad, religious nut who makes all his money peddling hate.

How can anyone say their religious and spread hate is beyond me.

GlennBeckReview said:
do some f#$king homework before asking your nosy question again.

Sounds like your vulva’s getting a bit puffy and sore.

When you host a weblog dedicated to ending someone’s career, you will be expected to answer some questions, cocksnot.

Fareed Zakaria aligning himself with and defending muzzie terrorists? On CNN?
I’m shocked! /sarc

Think about it. Out of any subject he could opine on, Zakaria chooses to rush to the defense of “the religion of peace”, wasting his time and ours, while every western country is under daily attacks and provocations from muslims.

Anyone with half a brain knows which side Zakaria and his pal Christianne Amanpour are on (hint, it ain’t our side).

Scott_in_MI says:
“Mr Papshmer, I believe GBR this time. Who’d buy ad space on his website? He’s got like three vistors: ”

Why do you write things that are provably false? I have comments from many different people. My 8 month old Review has had over 40,000 visits, so go ahead. Tell the world what an ignorant fool you are. You only serve to reinforce my point which I’ll make again: Scott, don’t ever come off like you’re some kind of intelligent person ever again. You showed yourself to be rather dim on this one too.

Start a blog. You’ll learn real soon not to make statements about things that you don’t have an idea of. It’s embarrassing for you.

Not only is Beck a loo-ser, he is a lying loo-ser. Those that watch him and believe him need to go back to school and get a basic education in how to think critically.

Scott_in_MI said:
– Clearly you do not socialize out of your tiny inbred circle of friends who are all the same.
- Glen Beck is an idiot.
- Do not quote me and then insert your ignorant vicious slander.
- fox makes money selling hate to insecure and ignorant people. People who are unhappy and frustrated with their lives like enemies to attack so they do not have to face their own failures in life. Many such people inhabit this site.
- You are crude, uneducated and ignorant.
- if you had asked more questions you would have done better in school and received a better education than you exhibit here.
- Besides being ignorant and bitter you apparently are paranoid.

All of the above were quotes from “armwood.” He’s right about our society being full off hate and ignorance, but half of it comes fro him. This guy is full of hate.

Your are ridiculous. Because I call out your angry speech you attribute what I call out to me. That is not a very bright tactic. Come on. Even you must laugh at yourself doing something as silly as this. You can come with something stronger than this. Can’t you? Maybe not!

Mr.Papshmer said:
A bit of an embellishment? He said that Obama is racist, which is true. Anyway, if calling someone a racist is peddling hate, then the entire Democrat party is guilty of peddling hate.

Your other example is just dumb. You came up with two examples, One doesn’t hold water, and the other you have to dredge up an incident out of his alcoholic past. Not exactly a compelling case you’re making.

another example would be his bigotry toward muslims like when he told keith ellison he felt was his enemy because of his religion.
if you actually believe that our president is a racist, then you are a very hateful person and no matter what i say about beck you would be fine with it.
i kinda feel sorry for ya.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Talking to yourself again?

He does talk to himself. He would feel so intimidated and ins

writer said:
armwood is not arrogant. He merely thinks that anyone who disagrees with anything he says is ignorant.

No there are plenty of intelligent and articulate people who disagree with me. You are not one of them. You and some of the others of your ilk are not up to the task either temperamentally or intellectually. I wish there were some articulate and bright conservatives here. It would be fun to engage in a discussion that just involves mud slinging. The problem is finding conservatives here who are up to the task.

Pablo said:
Right. Stewart just came up with the idea of having a rally on the National Mall

No , and neither did Beck. It’s actually been done before.

cjd ohio 1 said:
cosmos , then you must think FDR was a war criminal or by targeting german civilians

Not really a valid comparison. We didn’t defeat Germany and then occupy it for years did we? And we didn’t invade Iraq because we were attacked did we?

germany never attacked us , and yes we did occupy germany

Mr.Papshmer says:
“Do you have examples of Beck peddling hate?”

“I hate Woodrow Wilson” is like a not-so-secret handshake when Beck interacts with his supporters. Beck says this a lot. I know, Wilson is long dead. Beck has also literally Satanized Obama. That’s not flat out hate peddling, but he makes it clear that Obama is of the same “tree” as Wilson, a “tree of revolution” that I have ripped out of the ground and burned metaphorically. (Deconstruction is too formal for criticizing Beck’s stupid theories and dumb ideas.)

Also, the reactionary prick, Mr.Papshmer says:

“When you host a weblog dedicated to ending someone’s career, you will be expected to answer some questions, cocksnot.”

I have answered your questions repeatedly. That was my point. Take the time to read the answers before asking the same thing over and over. And you have the purpose of The Glenn Beck Review wrong: I aim to enlighten and warn the people Beck is constantly trying to have his minions reach out to before they get to them. I’m performing a public service: warning, this yellow propagandist is a liar, a hypocrite and a charlatan. Do not believe much of anything that comes out of his mouth.

My secondary aim is to have Beck, like Sanchez not long ago, fired from Fox PAC. That will not hardly end this motivated blow hard’s career. Beck talks military coup against our elected gov’t and of assassination plots against Obama; I’m not alone, by any stretch, in calling to have Glenn Beck fired. It won’t happen, but it should before someone else inspired by Beck’s violent rhetoric gets killed.

Papshmer, cocksnot: I have a novel idea. Grow the f#$k up!

iraq , united nations resolutions

they did however declare war on us first, germany

cjd ohio 1 said:
and the american people also

as I said in another thread. A government of, for, and by the people does require a little more from the people. Part of the reason we’re where we are is because the American public, myself included, has enjoyed the good things our country offers without really being involved in the democratic process beyond a superficial function.
At least in part, because of the government we have and we vote those fuckers into office, we are in part responsible for what they are doing and the long term consequences of their actions.

armwood said:
Your are ridiculous. Because I call out your angry speech you attribute what I call out to me. That is not a very bright tactic. Come on. Even you must laugh at yourself doing something as silly as this. You can come with something stronger than this. Can’t you? Maybe not!

Its hard to see the errors and follies in our personal nature, so we need people to point out these errors sometimes. The fact that you were finally calm and resonable in this post just proves that I was correct in calling you out as a hate-filled, bitter man (as shown in so many of your past posts.) There’s no need to thank me armwood…just knowing that I forced you to see what an ass you WERE being and then seeing that you changed is enough thanks for me.

GlennBeckReview said:
That “BS” claim of 300 dropped sponsors comes from the NY Times Magazine article that was published on Beck recently, and it concurs with the understanding from Angelo (StopBeck.com).

How many of them have ever advertised on Glenn Beck? If they haven’t been clients, then they haven’t “dropped”. That show has not had 300 advertisers in it’s history.

You know what that means, GlennBeckReview? You lie.

How’s that lawsuit of yours coming along?

cjd ohio 1 said:
iraq , united nations resolutions

We attacked them for violating UN resolutions even though the UN didn’t approve?

We attacked Iraq in pursuit of our own selfish interests , disregarding the principles that are constantly preached every election cycle.

cosmos, how true on your last comment sir

CosmosDan said:
Not really a valid comparison. We didn’t defeat Germany and then occupy it for years did we? And we didn’t invade Iraq because we were attacked did we?

Germany didn’t attack us before we attacked them either, and I was part of the still ongoing “occupation” of Germany 40 years after the war ended.

the one before you last

ChiliPeppersFan said:
if you actually believe that our president is a racist, then you are a very hateful person

If a person were to attend a skinhead church in Idaho for twenty years, could you conclude that they are in fact racist? Obama attended a racist church for twenty years, and while it may make some people uncomfortable, he is, in fact, a racist asshole. Not hateful, truthful.

cjd ohio 1 said:
they did however declare war on us first, germany

FDR wanted us in the war long before we were, and wanted Germany to attack our ships so the American public would back it. He believed that if we didn’t help our allies , we would eventually be facing Germany alone. Chances are he was right.
Iraq was never remotely the threat to us and world peace that Germany was.

just like korea, cosmos, no peace treaty, just a cease-fire….. iraq just had a cease-fire from the first gulf war

so ends justify the means with FDR, is that what you are saying

CosmosDan said:
We attacked them for violating UN resolutions even though the UN didn’t approve?

We attacked Iraq in pursuit of our own selfish interests , disregarding the principles that are constantly preached every election cycle.

I take it you’re not familiar with UN SecRes 1441? It was approved unanimously, and was the legal foundation for the resumption of hostilities.

We attacked Iraq in pursuit of our own selfish interests , disregarding the principles that are constantly preached every election cycle.

What selfish interest were those?

GlennBeckReview said:
I aim to enlighten and warn the people Beck is constantly trying to have his minions reach out to before they get to them.

Oh BS GBR. You write your little blog because even you realize that the Beck obsession in your head has taken you over (you cant even watch Syracuse BBall.) Its a good tactic to get all that HATE outa your head by writting about THAT WHICH CONTROLS YOU.

Sir, I applaud you for understanding you psychosis and trying to fix it.

CosmosDan said:
FDR wanted us in the war long before we were, and wanted Germany to attack our ships so the American public would back it. He believed that if we didn’t help our allies , we would eventually be facing Germany alone. Chances are he was right.
Iraq was never remotely the threat to us and world peace that Germany was.

An amazing turn of events. So, what you’re saying, is that it was perfectly acceptable to attack Germany because of what might have happened in the future if we didn’t. Hmmm..

Is the public under the impression that Beck is a highly intelligent man? I mean, really, do people honestly believe that his shtick is about intelligent and not “theater for ratings?”

I get that people want to have their own fears, biases, validated. Fine, no biggie. But Beck is only of average intelligence.

He is not someone I would want in the classroom teaching my kids about using critical thinking skills. His, in all honesty, stink. He never has demonstrated quality critical thinking skills. All he ever demonstrated is knee-jerking reactive thinking.

I want more for my kids. I would never allow my kids to have someone such a Beck and his poor critical thinking skills as a teacher. He is a seller of snake-oil a la 21st century.

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Pablo said:
Germany didn’t attack us before we attacked them either, and I was part of the still ongoing “occupation” of Germany 40 years after the war ended.

Actually Germany had attacked US ships prior to declaring war on us.
Our occupation of Germany officially ended in 1955. Having troops present is not the same as being attacked on a regular basis because of our military presence. Are we occupying S Korea?

Mr.Papshmer said:
If a person were to attend a skinhead church in Idaho for twenty years, could you conclude that they are in fact racist? Obama attended a racist church for twenty years, and while it may make some people uncomfortable, he is, in fact, a racist asshole. Not hateful, truthful.

Ouch. Ease up on the kid Pashmer. You’re making him look really, REALLY ignorant.

CosmosDan said:
Our occupation of Germany officially ended in 1955.

Our occupation of Iraq officially ended on June 30, 2004.

Mr.Papshmer said:
An amazing turn of events. So, what you’re saying, is that it was perfectly acceptable to attack Germany because of what might have happened in the future if we didn’t. Hmmm..

Nope.

Pablo said:
Our occupation of Iraq officially ended on June 30, 2004.

So US troops aren’t being shot attacked there on a regular basis?

CosmosDan said:
So US troops aren’t being shot attacked there on a regular basis?

Thats exactly what he’s saying

Since September, there have been only 4 US combat death in Iraq.

Thanks to George Bush’s surge (which Obama opposed,) we’ve won that war.

Mr.Papshmer said:
If a person were to attend a skinhead church in Idaho for twenty years, could you conclude that they are in fact racist? Obama attended a racist church for twenty years, and while it may make some people uncomfortable, he is, in fact, a racist asshole. Not hateful, truthful.

if you want to equate rev. wright’s church of christ to skinheads i was right…you are one hateful bastard and really, really feel sorry for you. maybe you should visit a church sometime.

CosmosDan said:
So US troops aren’t being shot attacked there on a regular basis?

What does that have to do with occupation? That’s a pretty nonsensical reply. And while you’re asking, no. It’s pretty quiet for our boys in the sandbox these days. Mostly the bad guys stay away from them, now that they’re not out actively pursuing them. They prefer to attack weaker targets like Iraqi civilians.

I believe we’ve lost like 60 people this year in Iraq and the vast majority of them were from non-combat causes. We’re not at war there anymore.

Pablo said:
I take it you’re not familiar with UN SecRes 1441? It was approved unanimously, and was the legal foundation for the resumption of hostilities.

I wasn’t , so thanks for that. Reading your link I see I was right. Although we used it as an excuse we didn’t have the approval of the security council.

Scott_in_MI said:
Since September, there have been only 4 US combat death in Iraq.

Thanks to George Bush’s surge (which Obama opposed,) we’ve won that war.

thanks to the grass-roots uprising of the sunnis in the al-anbar province george bush’s surge was able minimize the insurgency.

Scott_in_MI said:
Since September, there have been only 4 US combat death in Iraq.

Thanks to George Bush’s surge (which Obama opposed,) we’ve won that war.

I guess that depends on your definition of won and how you see our goals there and the short term and long term costs.

Pablo said:
What does that have to do with occupation? That’s a pretty nonsensical reply. And while you’re asking, no. It’s pretty quiet for our boys in the sandbox these days. Mostly the bad guys stay away from them, now that they’re not out actively pursuing them. They prefer to attack weaker targets like Iraqi civilians.

I believe we’ve lost like 60 people this year in Iraq and the vast majority of them were from non-combat causes. We’re not at war there anymore.

Only 60 killed, and a few assorted wounded? Hey, let’s stay there forever.

CosmosDan said:
I wasn’t , so thanks for that. Reading your link I see I was right. Although we used it as an excuse we didn’t have the approval of the security council.

And you can tell that by the way it passed unanimously in the Security Council? Huh? And you had no idea about the cornerstone of legal foundation for resumption of hostilities with Iraq? Huh?

CosmosDan said:
Only 60 killed, and a few assorted wounded? Hey, let’s stay there forever.

Any place we’ve got 50,000 people, 60 of them are going to die of one thing or another. Ask any actuary you happen to see.

CosmosDan said:

Pablo said:
What does that have to do with occupation? That’s a pretty nonsensical reply. And while you’re asking, no. It’s pretty quiet for our boys in the sandbox these days. Mostly the bad guys stay away from them, now that they’re not out actively pursuing them. They prefer to attack weaker targets like Iraqi civilians.

I believe we’ve lost like 60 people this year in Iraq and the vast majority of them were from non-combat causes. We’re not at war there anymore.

Only 60 killed, and a few assorted wounded? Hey, let’s stay there forever.

BTW, you didn’t explain what that has to do with occupation. You can’t have your pudding if you don’t eat your meat.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
if you want to equate rev. wright’s church of christ to skinheads i was right…you are one hateful bastard and really, really feel sorry for you. maybe you should visit a church sometime.

If you don’t believe Wright’s congregation isn’t racist, you’re a fool. Even Ophra (?) was disgusted by Wright’s anti-America, Jew hating sermons. She leftand those who were in line with Wright’s thoughts stayed.

Pablo said:
Any place we’ve got 50,000 people, 60 of them are going to die of one thing or another. Ask any actuary you happen to see.

Don’t even bother. No matter what FACTS you bring to the table, a liberal will just follow their emotion. Like inneer-city education…you and I see that its an utter failure whicj keeps alive the perpetual circle of poverty. A liberal, on the other hand, sees it as racist scheme or low funds to these schools (which is a lie.) Fellings trump facts to liberals.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
if you want to equate rev. wright’s church of christ to skinheads i was right…you are one hateful bastard and really, really feel sorry for you. maybe you should visit a church sometime.

I realize that there are those people such as yourself who can’t bring themselves to believe something that’s staring them in the face because they don’t want to. Wright made a pretty good living stirring up racism, and no, there’s not a lot of difference between his church and a skinhead church.

Am I hateful because I can look at something and describe what I see? You’re the one with the problem here, son, rather than engage in any critical thinking, you just pass off people who see things for what they are as hateful, simply because your guy is the subject. If a white Republican had attended a church for twenty years whose resident minister said the same sorts of things that Wright did, the guy would be toast. We both know that.

It’s really splitting hairs arguing the difference between those muslims who commit mass political murder against innocent civilians and those who openly support it.

Whoah! Hey! ONLY ten percent of the world’s 1.5 billion muslims actually openly support Osama Bin Laden’s methods (though far more support his aims). Fareed does the supposedly moderate muslim majority no favors here. Beck still sucks, but not based on this argument.

Pablo said:
And you had no idea about the cornerstone of legal foundation for resumption of hostilities with Iraq? Huh?

I remember the press at the time and the justifications offered. It’s true we didn’t get approval from the security council for invasion isn’t it? The chatter at the time was that even though the UN didn’t approve we don’t need their permission to defend ourselves , etc, blah blah blah.

Pablo said:
And you can tell that by the way it passed unanimously in the Security Council? Huh?

I can tell that by reading the link you provided. Try that.

Mr.Papshmer said:
I realize that there are those people such as yourself who can’t bring themselves to believe something that’s staring them in the face because they don’t want to. Wright made a pretty good living stirring up racism, and no, there’s not a lot of difference between his church and a skinhead church.

Am I hateful because I can look at something and describe what I see? You’re the one with the problem here, son, rather than engage in any critical thinking, you just pass off people who see things for what they are as hateful, simply because your guy is the subject. If a white Republican had attended a church for twenty years whose resident minister said the same sorts of things that Wright did, the guy would be toast. We both know that.

i believe that wright was/is over the top with his sermons and i also believe that obama could have honestly overlooked the more divisive rhetoric. i believe that rev. wright should spend more time trying to uniting people but i also believe that i, as a white man, cannot understand what it would be like to live in his skin.
your problem, old man, is that you are trying to say that rev. wrights resentment to america’s violent and racist history is the same hatred white racists feel because they believe they are superior only for their skin color.
that doesn’t sound like critical thinking…it sounds like rationalization.

Criminy, you guys are not making me feel confident in the quality of the American political dialogue! The way I see it, Zacharia schooled Beck on his numbers – a fair thing to take on, given that his assertions seem to take on a life of their own. Supporters of Beck rushed to shout, “Did not!” People who are more ‘from Missouri’ on Beck, stepped up the volume with, “Did so!!”. Then it moved on to cover quality issues such as, “You’re ugly!”, “I’d rather be ugly than stupid!”, “Well, you are ugly, stupid, and gay!” Then, somehow, Palin and Obama are in the mix.

Have I accidentally stumbled back into junior high school? Maybe this is all comfortable for all of you, like it was on the band bus, but for an outsider looking in, it is embarrassingly without substance.

Scott_in_MI said:
If you don’t believe Wright’s congregation isn’t racist, you’re a fool. Even Ophra (?) was disgusted by Wright’s anti-America, Jew hating sermons. She leftand those who were in line with Wright’s thoughts stayed.

oprah left and 4 or 5 years of regular attendance and occasional attendance throughout the 90′s. she was becoming a mainstream cultural icon about then. could that have anything to do with her leaving?

you got a better way lizmo, and what country has it?

Lizmo said:
Criminy, you guys are not making me feel confident in the quality of the American political dialogue! The way I see it, Zacharia schooled Beck on his numbers – a fair thing to take on, given that his assertions seem to take on a life of their own. Supporters of Beck rushed to shout, “Did not!” People who are more ‘from Missouri’ on Beck, stepped up the volume with, “Did so!!”. Then it moved on to cover quality issues such as, “You’re ugly!”, “I’d rather be ugly than stupid!”, “Well, you are ugly, stupid, and gay!” Then, somehow, Palin and Obama are in the mix.

Have I accidentally stumbled back into junior high school? Maybe this is all comfortable for all of you, like it was on the band bus, but for an outsider looking in, it is embarrassingly without substance.

did you call me gay?

mainstream cultural icon……why would she leave the church for that reason chili?

Lizmo said:
Criminy, you guys are not making me feel confident in the quality of the American political dialogue! The way I see it, Zacharia schooled Beck on his numbers – a fair thing to take on, given that his assertions seem to take on a life of their own. Supporters of Beck rushed to shout, “Did not!” People who are more ‘from Missouri’ on Beck, stepped up the volume with, “Did so!!”. Then it moved on to cover quality issues such as, “You’re ugly!”, “I’d rather be ugly than stupid!”, “Well, you are ugly, stupid, and gay!” Then, somehow, Palin and Obama are in the mix. Have I accidentally stumbled back into junior high school? Maybe this is all comfortable for all of you, like it was on the band bus, but for an outsider looking in, it is embarrassingly without substance.

Do you really think Beck meant to assert that 157 million muslims have engaged in acts of terrorism? I’m not a fan of Beck’s, as someone noted above, this is such a semantical straw man, it’s a waste of tv time analyzing it.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i believe that wright was/is over the top with his sermons and i also believe that obama could have honestly overlooked the more divisive rhetoric. i believe that rev. wright should spend more time trying to uniting people but i also believe that i, as a white man, cannot understand what it would be like to live in his skin.your problem, old man, is that you are trying to say that rev. wrights resentment to america’s violent and racist history is the same hatred white racists feel because they believe they are superior only for their skin color.that doesn’t sound like critical thinking…it sounds like rationalization.

Over the top? How about racist and deranged with unreason? Did you happen to catch his Nation Press Club appearance in which he (in addition to calling Obama a liar) asserted that blacks and whites have different brains that cause them to learn differently?

CosmosDan said:
Only 60 killed, and a few assorted wounded? Hey, let’s stay there forever.

if it were up to mccain, i believe he said he would be fine with 100 years.

cjd ohio 1 said:
mainstream cultural icon……why would she leave the church for that reason chili?

He’s suggesting she left so as not to alienate her white audience.

well we have only been in germany 65 years now sooooooooooo…..

Pablo said:
BTW, you didn’t explain what that has to do with occupation. You can’t have your pudding if you don’t eat your meat.

It has to do with purpose , long range goals vs cost. It also has very much to do with the other more important information in the study Stu uses to try and legitimize Beck’s numbers, which I mentioned above.

Sean68 said:
Over the top? How about racist and deranged with unreason? Did you happen to catch his Nation Press Club appearance in which he (in addition to calling Obama a liar) asserted that blacks and whites have different brains that cause them to learn differently?

yes, and that is sad but i find it hard to believe he was preaching that in church and to say obama sat there while he said it, knowing how it would affect his political prospects is even harder to believe.

Sean68 said:
He’s suggesting she left so as not to alienate her white audience.

exactly

ChiliPeppersFan said:
you are trying to say that rev. wrights resentment to america’s violent and racist history is the same hatred white racists feel because they believe they are superior only for their skin color.

Racism is racism, regardless of its color. And Obama sat in his church for twenty years.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
that doesn’t sound like critical thinking…it sounds like rationalization.

Your entire comment is a rationalization. Would you be as quick to give a white racist a pass?

CosmosDan said:
I remember the press at the time and the justifications offered. It’s true we didn’t get approval from the security council for invasion isn’t it? The chatter at the time was that even though the UN didn’t approve we don’t need their permission to defend ourselves , etc, blah blah blah.

I can tell that by reading the link you provided. Try that.

UN Sec Res 1441 authorized action by member states if Saddam did not comply. Try reading it again.

then why didnt obama leave?

Once again I am confused…

Why are Muslims who promote the violent overthrow of this government “terrorists” but Christianists who promote the same thing viable GOP candidates with Tea Party support?

Things that make me go ‘hmmm…’

maybe he was not thinking that far ahead. just looking for street creds maybe

Actually, I think so. This country *had* it. Have you read The Federalist Papers and the collection that has come to be known by historians as The Anti-Federalist Papers? No, no particular generation had a lock on logic, but there is something to be said for going through the motions!

I am not super nostalgic for that time – there were broad swathes of the population who could not participate in that dialogue – but somehow I don’t think that the addition of those groups is what made things worse. I’m not out to save the world, I just want to suggest that treating others with respect makes you a better person and leaves open the possibilty that mutual understanding could actually occur. That seems like a useful thing in the democratic process.

Ah, maybe it is just the season…

CosmosDan said:
It has to do with purpose , long range goals vs cost. It also has very much to do with the other more important information in the study Stu uses to try and legitimize Beck’s numbers, which I mentioned above.

So, that’s what you meant when you mentioned that out occupation of Germany ended in ’55? I think you just wanted to point out that we’re occupying Germany because you’re ignorant of the fact that we’re not, and haven’t been for over 6 years.

must be the season, (which i hope you have a nice one), mutual understanding is great, but doesnt happen here to often

ChiliPeppersFan said:
yes, and that is sad but i find it hard to believe he was preaching that in church and to say obama sat there while he said it, knowing how it would affect his political prospects is even harder to believe.

What kind of person do you think would consider Louis Farrakhan one of the great (and good) men of our times? Do you need a reminder on what Louis Farrakhan and NOI believe? I’m quite sure Obama knew the cesspool he was swimming in (witness the unanomous cheering that greeted Wright’s more hateful and anti-American rhetoric) but he made a calculated decision that it would be worth it because if he ever got to where he wanted to go (i.e. high public office), he’d be able to finesse it and that the same white liberals who control the mainstream media and whom he had been playing his entire life would fall all over one another to cut him slack. And he was right.

Sean68 said:
What kind of person do you think would consider Louis Farrakhan one of the great (and good) men of our times? Do you need a reminder on what Louis Farrakhan and NOI believe? I’m quite sure Obama knew the cesspool he was swimming in (witness the unanomous cheering that greeted Wright’s more hateful and anti-American rhetoric) but he made a calculated decision that it would be worth it because if he ever got to where he wanted to go (i.e. high public office), he’d be able to finesse it and that the same white liberals who control the mainstream media and whom he had been playing his entire life would fall all over one another to cut him slack. And he was right.

I should acknowlege that I don’t think Obama is a racist. My point on this–if you care to know–is about the double standard which the left always employs in this race game; they play it to win and they take no prisoners.

Sean68 said:
What kind of person do you think would consider Louis Farrakhan one of the great (and good) men of our times? Do you need a reminder on what Louis Farrakhan and NOI believe? I’m quite sure Obama knew the cesspool he was swimming in (witness the unanomous cheering that greeted Wright’s more hateful and anti-American rhetoric) but he made a calculated decision that it would be worth it because if he ever got to where he wanted to go (i.e. high public office), he’d be able to finesse it and that the same white liberals who control the mainstream media and whom he had been playing his entire life would fall all over one another to cut him slack. And he was right.

Whoah. I know I misspelled unanimous!

Mr.Papshmer said:
Racism is racism, regardless of its color. And Obama sat in his church for twenty years.

cjd ohio 1 said:
then why didnt obama leave?

i believe that what wright believes and what he preached in church were two different things and obama’s reason for attending that church was because that was the place where all the chicago political players were and it would advance his career by going there. i’m sure wright’s sermons were edgy, but like i said, i can’t believe he preached racist ideas in church.

really, why not chili?

Darklady said:
Why are Muslims who promote the violent overthrow of this government “terrorists” but Christianists who promote the same thing viable GOP candidates with Tea Party support?

What a fucking retard. And I’m sure you can provide sources for your claim that “Christianists” [sic] “promote the violent overthrow of this government”. Jesus Christ, where the fuck do you retards come from, anyway?

Darklady said:
Things that make me go ‘hmmm…’

Don’t worry, next year when you get to the third grade, maybe it’ll become more clear.

shit, white preachers were even worse many years ago, so i have been told, only 46yrs old, so i dont have facts to back it up

ChiliPeppersFan said:
oprah left and 4 or 5 years of regular attendance and occasional attendance throughout the 90’s. she was becoming a mainstream cultural icon about then. could that have anything to do with her leaving?

Good job CPF, you’re starting to realize the folly of your argument.

Thank you for confirming my point. You’re telling us that Oprah left b/c she knew the views of Wright was WELL BEYOND MAINSTREAM AMERICA. That tells us Oprah is a smart woman. Its sad that others stayed….they must’ve stayed because they agreed with the point Wright was making.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
i’m sure wright’s sermons were edgy, but like i said, i can’t believe he preached racist ideas in church.

They were pals, man. Obama claimed the guy as his mentor for Christ’s sake.

Mr.Papshmer said:
What a fucking retard. And I’m sure you can provide sources for your claim that “Christianists” [sic] “promote the violent overthrow of this government”. Jesus Christ, where the fuck do you retards come from, anyway? Don’t worry, next year when you get to the third grade, maybe it’ll become more clear.

This is the part where someone states erroneously that Timothy McVeigh was a christian (and a racist) when he was neither (at least not according to Gore Vidal, who corresponded with him and shared many of McVeigh’s misgivings about the direction of the country).

Mr.Papshmer said:
They were pals, man. Obama claimed the guy as his mentor for Christ’s sake.

Not to mention, the line “the audacity of hope” came from a speech/sermon/whatever in which two sentences before that line, Wright claims that the black people of the world are poor and hungry because of “white people’s greed.” The only difference between Wright and Farrakhan is that the latter might have had the balls to replace “white people” with joos.

no name calling, this has been going pretty good for a while, disagreeing without being a prick about it lol

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ChiliPeppersFan said:
i believe that what wright believes and what he preached in church were two different things and obama’s reason for attending that church was because that was the place where all the chicago political players were and it would advance his career by going there. i’m sure wright’s sermons were edgy, but like i said, i can’t believe he preached racist ideas in church.

CPF would you stay in a church if you constantly heard Jew bashing? or how America deserved to be hit on 9/11? ad on and on and on. If you dont think Wright is/was a racist, you’rre either clueless or haven’t studied the issue.

Chicago is a big city. There were other “political” churches to go to.

Sean68 said:
What kind of person do you think would consider Louis Farrakhan one of the great (and good) men of our times? Do you need a reminder on what Louis Farrakhan and NOI believe? I’m quite sure Obama knew the cesspool he was swimming in (witness the unanomous cheering that greeted Wright’s more hateful and anti-American rhetoric) but he made a calculated decision that it would be worth it because if he ever got to where he wanted to go (i.e. high public office), he’d be able to finesse it and that the same white liberals who control the mainstream media and whom he had been playing his entire life would fall all over one another to cut him slack. And he was right.

the whole ‘anti-american’ rhetoric that was played over and over again was one small part of a larger sermon talking about some of the egregious, unfortunate parts of out history. and i don’t think obama considers farrakhan a great man. i make no excuses for what rev. wright believes, but my whole argumentt was when mr. paps called obama a racist…i believe he was wrong in saying that as was beck when he said it.

Pablo said:
I think you just wanted to point out that we’re occupying Germany because you’re ignorant of the fact that we’re not, and haven’t been for over 6 years.

Er, scratch Germany. I meant Iraq.

ZOMG! I don’t know Germany from Iraq!

cjd ohio 1 said:
must be the season, (which i hope you have a nice one), mutual understanding is great, but doesnt happen here to often

‘Tis the season for pissing in the wind, I guess. You have a nice one, too! I see now that the conversation has moved farther afield in the effort to keep the insults flowing. I think I’ll go watch Dexter instead.

GlennBeckReview said:
Mr.Papshmer says:
“Do you have examples of Beck peddling hate?”

“I hate Woodrow Wilson” is like a not-so-secret handshake when Beck interacts with his supporters. Beck says this a lot. I know, Wilson is long dead. Beck has also literally Satanized Obama. That’s not flat out hate peddling, but he makes it clear that Obama is of the same “tree” as Wilson, a “tree of revolution” that I have ripped out of the ground and burned metaphorically. (Deconstruction is too formal for criticizing Beck’s stupid theories and dumb ideas.)

Also, the reactionary prick, Mr.Papshmer says:

“When you host a weblog dedicated to ending someone’s career, you will be expected to answer some questions, cocksnot.”

I have answered your questions repeatedly. That was my point. Take the time to read the answers before asking the same thing over and over. And you have the purpose of The Glenn Beck Review wrong: I aim to enlighten and warn the people Beck is constantly trying to have his minions reach out to before they get to them. I’m performing a public service: warning, this yellow propagandist is a liar, a hypocrite and a charlatan. Do not believe much of anything that comes out of his mouth.

My secondary aim is to have Beck, like Sanchez not long ago, fired from Fox PAC. That will not hardly end this motivated blow hard’s career. Beck talks military coup against our elected gov’t and of assassination plots against Obama; I’m not alone, by any stretch, in calling to have Glenn Beck fired. It won’t happen, but it should before someone else inspired by Beck’s violent rhetoric gets killed.

Papshmer, cocksnot: I have a novel idea. Grow the f#$k up!

Beck claiming that Obama’s health care bill was all about reparations. That was peddling hate. He was playing on white racial resentment, the kind expressed by Pablo and Just4thefax on this forum. It is ugly, un-American, divisive and destructive of this country at a time we need to come together and solve the serious economic problems we have.

Beck’s website (subscription required) also includes the following “comedy” segments, apparently broadcast on Beck’s nationally syndicated radio program:

A mock radio jingle for the species of grouper formerly known as the “jewfish,” containing the line: “Close your eyes and try to picture a great big friendly jewfish — that is unless you’re Jewish. Oh yeah, and that reminds us: Jewfish get real stinky if you leave them in the car.”

Several short segments listing “rejected NCAA team names,” including: “the Los Angeles Limp-Wrists,” “the New Jersey Jumpin’ Jews,” and “the Atlanta Murdering Rampage of Savage Rapin’ Injuns.”

A satirical song about the reformed “New KKK”: The song details the fictitious organization’s practice of “close-to-painful murdering of the dark people.”

A musical mock-tribute to illegal border crossers: The singer refers to Sen. Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA) as a “wasted” “leprechaun.” An announcer says Mexico’s “main contribution to American society is the deflowering of our teenage daughters on spring break.”

A segment titled “Real Iranian A-holes”: The narrator alleges that Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad “had relations with a goat.”

Several segments featuring the misadventures of “Middle Eastern superheroes” named “Kandahar” and “Jalalabad”: The two blow themselves up at the end of many episodes

A mock preview of High Beams, a “five-minute movie” featuring “still pictures” of Jennifer Aniston’s “jugs.”

A song titled, “I Like Chinese”: The singer brands the Chinese “small” and “cuddly,” stating that “they only come up to your knees” and “they all have names like Wang and Chung and Sun-Ji.”

Here are videos of some more Beck hate speech:

http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/Scrutinizing-Hate-Monger-G-by-Daily-kos-090906-984.html

Scott_in_MI said:
CPF would you stay in a church if you constantly heard Jew bashing? or how America deserved to be hit on 9/11? ad on and on and on. If you dont think Wright is/was a racist, you’rre either clueless or haven’t studied the issue.

Chicago is a big city. There were other “political” churches to go to.

how can you say there was constant jew bashing? for 20 years obama went to church and listened to constant jew bashing? and america deserved to be hit…the god damn america? it was a lot more than that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

ChiliPeppersFan said:
the whole ‘anti-american’ rhetoric that was played over and over again was one small part of a larger sermon talking about some of the egregious, unfortunate parts of out history. and i don’t think obama considers farrakhan a great man. i make no excuses for what rev. wright believes, but my whole argumentt was when mr. paps called obama a racist…i believe he was wrong in saying that as was beck when he said it.

Well, perhaps. But the more I hear and see of Wright, the less I like Obama. It seems to me that Wright’s attitude and the general tone and analysis of “black liberation theology” was the force that animated that church. Plus, the get whitey stuff was certainly a crowd pleaser.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
how can you say there was constant jew bashing? for 20 years obama went to church and listened to constant jew bashing? and america deserved to be hit…the god damn america? it was a lot more than that.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvMbeVQj6Lw

Yes, maybe it was more than that BUT it was ALSO that.

Woud you have stayed in that church?

i never said i don’t think wright is racist. i said there is a big difference between wright’s church and his feelings toward whites and a kkk church and their feelings towards blacks.
whatever he says about jews, i haven’t heard about that, but that is just ignorant.

i’m an atheist, so no i wouldn’t.

armwood said:
It is ugly, un-American, divisive and destructive of this country at a time we need to come together and solve the serious economic problems we have.

This coming from a man (armwood) who’s all about hate .

either way…i don’t believe obama is a racist.
peace out guys.

Scott_in_MI said:
Its hard to see the errors and follies in our personal nature, so we need people to point out these errors sometimes. The fact that you were finally calm and resonable in this post just proves that I was correct in calling you out as a hate-filled, bitter man (as shown in so many of your past posts.) There’s no need to thank me armwood…just knowing that I forced you to see what an ass you WERE being and then seeing that you changed is enough thanks for me.

You are clueless. You know nothing about me. It is laughable to call me bitter. You just do not understand what I am saying and where I am coming from. you just do not have the educational background and the curiosity to learn and study about things outside of your narrow world. I am a blessed person and I am thankful for it. Conservatives like you are resentful and bitter because they see themselves as losers and they resent it. I have won. I am not you. do not project your insecurity onto me.

shit i think beck has racial overtones, and hate comments so does rush, hannity, ed shultz, olbermann and rev wright, but when you only see it on one side and not the other is where the problems lay

armwood said:
Beck claiming that Obama’s health care bill was all about reparations. That was peddling hate.

Whether or not you agree with Beck’s assertion, I would hardly call that peddling hate. The rest of your comment is just drivel, as you’re simply listing a bunch of political parodies and satire.

cjd ohio 1 said:
just like korea, cosmos, no peace treaty, just a cease-fire….. iraq just had a cease-fire from the first gulf war

You should travel to South Korea and live and work among the people. You would be shocked to see how they view North Korea and how they view the United States. Guess which one they see as their enemy. It’s not their northern relatives.

I’m yawning . I’m yawning some more . And ……….ZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

i have and have been stationed there, your group feels one way, the group i know feel a different way, two opinions , neither are facts

armwood said:
You should travel to South Korea and live and work among the people. You would be shocked to see how they view North Korea and how they view the United States. Guess which one they see as their enemy. It’s not their northern relatives.

They might ought to take a peek at who’s been killing their citizens lately.

There hasn’t been any name calling in the last 40 or so messages. I am really impressed, it seems like a civil conversation can be had on this blog. Cheers to all of you!!

armwood said:
You should travel to South Korea and live and work among the people. You would be shocked to see how they view North Korea and how they view the United States. Guess which one they see as their enemy. It’s not their northern relatives.

I have lived in Pusan, where the harbor was guarded (in those days) by several Hawk missile emplacements. They weren’t put there for us.

fuck off kermit, lol just kidding

Mr.Papshmer said:
Racism is racism, regardless of its color. And Obama sat in his church for twenty years.

Your entire comment is a rationalization. Would you be as quick to give a white racist a pass?

Resenting America’s racial history is not racism. It is a sing of intelligence! There is a whole lot of evil in America’s history. Those who actually know the history would be morally reprehensible to to condem that history. Do not call someone racist for telling the truth. America is far from alone. Almost every country has atrocities in their past. The problem is those who falsely claim there is an American exceptionalism. America is no different from any other country. We have some very strong points. A wonderful, evolved constitution that started out greatly flawed and an incredibly adaptive diversity that makes us so strong and creative. Tell the truth, both the good and the bad. Do not lie, do not sugar coat. Just be honest and compassionate.

Pablo said:
They might ought to take a peek at who’s been killing their citizens lately.

It is based upon their history. They have been conquered and invaded by many countries. They see themselves as the victim of big power maneuvering. Don’t forget we supported brutal murderous dictators in the South from the 1950s through the 1980s. Koreans have not forgotten that.

Mr.Papshmer said:
I have lived in Pusan, where the harbor was guarded (in those days) by several Hawk missile emplacements. They weren’t put there for us.

Get out of here. I live in Pusan also, in Seomyeon for two years and also in Daejeon. Did you enjoy the hwe at Gwanolee and Heundae?

history lessons, i know my country has done really bad shit in the past, but rev wright is a bigot

armwood said:
Get out of here. I live in Pusan also, in Seomyeon for two years and also in Daejeon. Did you enjoy the hwe at Gwanolee and Heundae?

I lived at Hialeah, and enjoyed the beer on Texas Street.

armwood said:
Get out of here. I live in Pusan also, in Seomyeon for two years and also in Daejeon. Did you enjoy the hwe at Gwanolee and Heundae?

went there once on a west-pac. some of the nicest people i’ve ever met. also, loved the kimchi.

cjd ohio 1 said:
history lessons, i know my country has done really bad shit in the past, but rev wright is a bigot

His many white parishioners did not think so!.

Reverend Wright has received a Rockefeller Fellowship and seven honorary doctorate degrees, including from Colgate University, Lincoln University of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, Valparaiso University, United Theological Seminary, Chicago Theological Seminary, and Starr King School for the Ministry. Wright was named one of Ebony magazine’s top 15 preachers. He was also awarded the first Carver Medal by Simpson College in January 2008, to recognize Wright as “an outstanding individual whose life exemplifies the commitment and vision of the service of George Washington Carver”.[ On May 1, 2008, Northwestern University withdrew its invitation for him to receive an honorary doctorate in light of the controversy over his recent remarks.

The real problem is that most white people in America have no idea how black people see them. We do not openly communicate. We play games and are not honest with each other. Wrights comments were not unusual, not strange. They reflect the reality of African Americans.

Mr.Papshmer said:
I lived at Hialeah, and enjoyed the beer on Texas Street.

had i friend…yeah, a friend who paid 20,000 won for some ‘company’ he picked up at a bar on texas street.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
went there once on a west-pac. some of the nicest people i’ve ever met. also, loved the kimchi.

I love the raw fish. I met a lot of wonderful people there also. I left Busan a year ago in August 2009 to ge to Daejeon, a city I hated. I am still in weekly contact with a number of friends I made in Busan. I love Skype. It enables you to keep relationships overseas. I am getting ready to call Busan know.

so you are saying what, what is the difference between me a black man

the problem is white people?

and a black man, correction of above

cjd ohio 1 said:
and a black man, correction of above

The problem is that we do not talk to each other honestly. We are afraid to communicate. We are all so defensive. forget about fault. That misses the point. We need to talk. We have nearly 400 years in common but we really don’t know each other. We need to talk and listen to each other and most of all not judge each other. We have a common history and a common future. We need each other. We can learn so much from each other.

you can learn shit from anybody, maybe i am the problem, because i see a man i just see a man,, military life really does make you color blind, one of the greatest things in life

armwood said:
Resenting America’s racial history is not racism. It is a sing of intelligence! There is a whole lot of evil in America’s history. Those who actually know the history would be morally reprehensible to to condem that history. Do not call someone racist for telling the truth. America is far from alone. Almost every country has atrocities in their past. The problem is those who falsely claim there is an American exceptionalism. America is no different from any other country. We have some very strong points. A wonderful, evolved constitution that started out greatly flawed and an incredibly adaptive diversity that makes us so strong and creative. Tell the truth, both the good and the bad. Do not lie, do not sugar coat. Just be honest and compassionate.

Yes, let’s be honest. Do you agree with the following?

“Let me tell you something. Do you know that you have been deceived and cheated? You have been told that this government was intended from the beginning for white men, and for white men exclusively; that the men who formed the Union and framed the Constitution designed the permanent exclusion of the colored people from the benefits of those institutions. Davis, Taney and Yancey, traitors at the south, have propagated this statement, while their copperhead echoes at the north have repeated the same. There never was a bolder or more wicked perversion of the truth of history. So far from this purpose was the mind and heart of your fathers, that they desired and expected the abolition of slavery. They framed the Constitution plainly with a view to the speedy downfall of slavery. They carefully excluded from the Constitution any and every word which could lead to the belief that they meant it for persons of only one complexion.

The Constitution, in its language and in its spirit, welcomes the black man to all the rights which it was intended to guarantee to any class of the American people. Its preamble tells us for whom and for what it was made. “

roommates, the barracks, mixed marriages, shit duty together, one of the greatest lessons i ever learned, white sergeant majors , black LTs , hispanic brigade commander, didnt make a bit of difference

Pablo said:
Yes, let’s be honest. Do you agree with the following?

What is not to agree with. That was the truth. This country and its constitution was for white men. Slavery was debated and discussed but the only direct reference was the county of slaves as 3/5 a man for purposes of apportioning voting. Pablo, you really need to go to school and learn some basic American history. There is nothing false or even unusual here. What is your problem?

cjd ohio 1 said:
roommates, the barracks, mixed marriages, shit duty together, one of the greatest lessons i ever learned, white sergeant majors , black LTs , hispanic brigade commander, didnt make a bit of difference

Good! I have a tri-racial family. People are just people who happen to be whatever they are.

black or white, gay or straight, rich or poor, i dont care, its not a race problem part of it is just a mans problem. Kids with no male role models black and white, education seen as giving in . But people wont discuss any of that shit because it doesn’t make the 6 o’clock news and you lose your 15 minutes of fame. . That is why when people say “get back to the constitution” fuck that, it had some bad shit in it to.

as everyone can tell grammar is not my strong suit, sorry

armwood said:
Good! I have a tri-racial family. People are just people who happen to be whatever they are.

Have you asked your white family why they are more prone to acts of incest than your black family? I ask this because that is clearly what you’ve implied in previous posts. Like a white racist might accuse you of have a particular fondness for fried chicken or watermelon or crack or rape.

armwood said:
What is not to agree with. That was the truth. This country and its constitution was for white men.

Wait, that’s what get from this?

The Constitution, in its language and in its spirit, welcomes the black man to all the rights which it was intended to guarantee to any class of the American people. Its preamble tells us for whom and for what it was made. “

Really? That’s odd.

3/5th of a person, for population represention in congress was not it finest moment

armwood said:
This country and its constitution was for white men.

Do you know that you have been deceived and cheated? You have been told that this government was intended from the beginning for white men, and for white men exclusively;

Those are not at odds with each other?

200+ years ago the idea of freedom and personal rights vis-a-vis the power of the state was a vast advancement over the rest of the world.

Pablo said:
CosmosDan said:
We attacked them for violating UN resolutions even though the UN didn’t approve?
We attacked Iraq in pursuit of our own selfish interests , disregarding the principles that are constantly preached every election cycle.
I take it you’re not familiar with UN SecRes 1441? It was approved unanimously, and was the legal foundation for the resumption of hostilities.
We attacked Iraq in pursuit of our own selfish interests , disregarding the principles that are constantly preached every election cycle.
What selfish interest were those?

Dan thinks that the Dems saw through the “BS” about WMD’s, but they were too scared to vote against the war:

CosmosDan said:
I think the Dems were political cowards. the GOP has always used the angle that Dems are weak on national security and after 9/11 I think too many Dems were afraid to oppose the war for fear of it being used against them politically. Then they did what politicians do and later when the WMDs didn’t show, they jumped on it. That’s their bad but in no way excuses the GOP for their sins in that period.

the constitution is a great document dont get me wrong, but i did not include everyone ie blacks, women

Calvin said:
Dan thinks that the Dems saw through the “BS” about WMD’s, but they were too scared to vote against the war:

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/epic-jon-stewart-turns-glenn-becks-george-soros-conspiracies-on-glenn-beck/#comment-223141

Sean68 said:
200+ years ago the idea of freedom and personal rights vis-a-vis the power of the state was a vast advancement over the rest of the world.

I should clarify, it was a vast, vast advancement over the non-white world: Europe was more-or-less there with us. It’s instructive to imagine Malcolm X bitching to Muslim potentates in 1963 about the lasting vestiges of slavery in the US while their own muslim countries (Saudi Arabia, for example) had only a year or two before outlawed slavery (in theory; though, alas, not practice) and ONLY under pressure by the West (i.e., whitey).

GlennBeckReview said:
may wait until “Time Magazine picks their person of the year.”

Or they may wait until Hell freezes over. LOL. We are all waiting with baited breath. LOL.
When your friends bombshell goes nowhere we won’t see you post here again, will we?

jjay7381 said:
Maybe if you live in shit hole Alabama.

Why don’t you tell us where you live and what your REAL name is? Anyone can look on my website and know where I live. My phone number is in the phone book. I bet you have an unlisted number? Face it Monica, you have a problem. Did you put nude photos on Facebook?

armwood said:
Here are videos of some more Beck hate speech:

Having to scroll past all of your long winded crap is getting old.

cjd ohio 1 said:
the constitution is a great document dont get me wrong, but i did not include everyone ie blacks, women

That is why it was amended and thanks god it was.

Facts, objective reality and logic are foreign terms to Fox News groupies.

Its all about rationalizing prejudices and ideology.
Keep Fear Alive!
Acorn is Obama’s brownshirts! They’re coming for you very soon! (remember that little nugget of fear, doesn’t matter that its completely untrue, Fox News groupies respond)

gordonbloyershow said:
sky

That doesn’t make you a brave warrior. Remember you missed out on Vietnam. ahhhh

Sean68 said:
I should clarify, it was a vast, vast advancement over the non-white world: Europe was more-or-less there with us. It’s instructive to imagine Malcolm X bitching to Muslim potentates in 1963 about the lasting vestiges of slavery in the US while their own muslim countries (Saudi Arabia, for example) had only a year or two before outlawed slavery (in theory; though, alas, not practice) and ONLY under pressure by the West (i.e., whitey).

Malcolm X was an American. His own country was the United States. His brand of Islam was American born until he converted to Suni Islam the year before he was killed in 1965. What happens in other countries is irrelevant. Saudi Arabia has never claimed to be a democracy or the land of the free. It did not have a constitution that guaranties basic human rights. You are missing the whole point. If you had taken time to listen to any of Malcolm X’s speeches you would know is whole point was very simple. America was hypocritical. It preached one philosophy to the world and practiced another. You should do your homework before you speak about things that you have only heard about third hand. Educate yourself. Listen to Malcolm X’s speech “The Ballot Or The Billet. Then we can have an intelligent conversation.

gordonbloyershow said:
Having to scroll past all of your long winded crap is getting old.

It’s crap to you because your are to lazy to learn. You cannot contest what I say so you call name. You are incredibly ignorant. The sad part is that your ignorance is wilful, it is self imposed. I can tires of you. You are ill mannered, nasty and crude. You obviously never learned civility growing up. What lind of family did you grow up in? I feel very sorry for you because obviously you never learned good behavior are social etiquette at home.

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Calvin said:
Dan thinks that the Dems saw through the “BS” about WMD’s, but they were too scared to vote against the war:

Calvin, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t put words in my mouth. I never said that. I’ve said several times that most people believed that Iraq had WMD at the time. The question was how much of a threat it was to the US and whether it warranted a war. That where the dishonesty and lies came in. Powell holding up the vial , and Rice making the mushroom cloud reference.

To clarify the section you quoted, the cowardice I spoke of was the the Dems in congress abdicating their authority to declare war with the Iraq Resolution,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Resolution_to_Authorize_the_Use_of_United_States_Armed_Forces_Against_Iraq
You will see that a lot of Dems voted against it at the time while very few Repubs did, but enough Dems voted for it that it passed and allowed Bush to attack Iraq without going to congress.

When talk of invading Iraq began I was very ignorant of US history in the Middle East and began to do some research on the subject. Our role in Afghanistan and the Iran Iraq war and the gulf war. While Bush was busy painting Saddam as the 2nd coming of Hitler I realized that was not the case and Saddam was no threat to us and not a serious part of the war against terrorism which should have been our main focus at the time,
There were good reasons why we didn’t oust Saddam after the gulf war, which were explained by Cheney. All those reasons still existed, which explains the ongoing mess over there.

armwood said:
You are clueless. You know nothing about me. It is laughable to call me bitter. You just do not understand what I am saying and where I am coming from. you just do not have the educational background and the curiosity to learn and study about things outside of your narrow world. I am a blessed person and I am thankful for it. Conservatives like you are resentful and bitter because they see themselves as losers and they resent it. I have won. I am not you. do not project your insecurity onto me.

Fact: Your James Cone views will not over power anyone here and you simply were not born with the mental facilities to argue and debate against any conservation here it’s just genetically impossible for you to deliver your anti-American rhetoric and win a debate. So I sub jest that you look within to find why you have some much hate for whitey! Maybe you can find about your basic problem. Here;
http://www.nathanielturner.com/assessingblacktheology.htm

Or here is another hate you have for Beck;
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/42891/

You are ignorant raving lunatic that was obviously raised with hate all whiteys, whiteys are bad syndrome on this site. Your parents did well to screw you up or you where raised in a poor foster environment! Period and that’s the fact!
Oh well your just a fucking LLLLLOOOOOOOSSSSSSSEEEEERRRRRR!

Newsjunky said:
And you’re a creepy old bitch who hasn’t been out of his windowless basement in months. Sitting there, nude in front of your computer, sporting a tiny wrinkled up woody, as you type out a bunch of worthless drivel in the comment sections of various websites, hoping other fringe goofballs will befriend you. The only light in your cramped little basement coming from your 12 inch CRT monitor … Surrounded by stacks of old porn magazines and empty bottles of Gordons Vodka … Waiting on your poor 92 year old mother to bring you another bottle. Like I said, you’re just a creepy old man.

That is unnecessarily insulting,……..and pretty dam funny and creative. I had to stop reading because I was afraid the mental image might scar my psyche. Good job.

armwood said:
The problem is that we do not talk to each other honestly. We are afraid to communicate. We are all so defensive. forget about fault. That misses the point. We need to talk. We have nearly 400 years in common but we really don’t know each other. We need to talk and listen to each other and most of all not judge each other. We have a common history and a common future. We need each other. We can learn so much from each other.

Fact: Armwood brain is a zero + any dialog learned x real facts = zero net gain!
That’s a fact!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Your James Cone views will not over power anyone here and you simply were not born with the mental facilities to argue and debate against any conservation here it’s just genetically impossible for you to deliver your anti-American rhetoric and win a debate. So I sub jest that you look within to find why you have some much hate for whitey! Maybe you can find about your basic problem. Here;
http://www.nathanielturner.com/assessingblacktheology.htm

Or here is another hate you have for Beck;
http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/42891/

You are ignorant raving lunatic that was obviously raised with hate all whiteys, whiteys are bad syndrome on this site. Your parents did well to screw you up or you where raised in a poor foster environment! Period and that’s the fact!
Oh well your just a fucking LLLLLOOOOOOOSSSSSSSEEEEERRRRRR!

As usual you are unable to address any specific point so you broadly try to condem me. Pretty pathetic but that is what you do. You avoid what you cannot handle. I can guarantee that I come from more stable and better educated background than you. Are you the third generation in your family with either a masters or a doctorate degree? I think not. I am so stop making idiotic statements which you know nothing about. How many academic institutions are named after members of your family? I have two. Please, you are not in my ballpark, not even my league. Your post bely your pedestrian roots and your lack of a decent education. Your behavior speaks to a moral decay that is eating at the very fabric of our country. Do not attack me at our your jealously.

Ignorant Scott_in_MI says:

“You write your little blog because even you realize that the Beck obsession in your head has taken you over (you cant even watch Syracuse BBall.) Its a good tactic to get all that HATE outa your head”

I have collaborators who do hate Beck; if you weren’t so ignorant about my “little blog,” you’d know that I do not hate Mr. Beck.

Scott in MI seems to enjoy demonstrating his ignorance. Got any other ignorance that you wish to express there genius? I repeat: Scott, don’t ever come off like you’re some kind of intelligent person ever again. You showed yourself to be rather dim on this one too.

cjd ohio 1 said:
so ends justify the means with FDR, is that what you are saying

Sorry I missed this one in all the rapid fire posting.

No, I wouldn’t say that. FDR made a decision as president based on what he believed was best for the country. I watched a special on the history channel that made me understand the office of president a little better. Back then America was still hurting from WWI and the public didn’t want to get involved in a European war. FDR actually lied to the public, promising not to get involved during his reelection campaign, all the while believing we needed to stop Hitler before he came after us. We had no military industrial complex as we do now and he wanted to get manufacturers to begin to ramp up military production ASAP, but needed to find a way to justify it. We have no way of knowing what might have happened had he chosen other wise, but based on history I think he made the right call. Hitler would have had no qualms about using the Atomic bomb had he developed it first.
My Dad was an antiaircraft gunner in WWII and told me about trying to fire on German Jet aircraft towards the end of the war. Couldn’t even get close. Had we not entered the war, and turned to manufacturing weapons, Germany could well have developed weapons that could have defeated us.
Much different than Iraq though when we were and are the world’s only super power, having already easily beaten the crap out of them a few years earlier. If a smuck like me can do a few hours of research on the internet and realize Iraq was no threat then certainly our leaders ought to know that.

Just watching John Bohner crying again on TV. I want him to be a guest on Beck’s show and watch them them both start blubbering and hugging each other.

I just really love this country so much.

I Know what you mean, m-m-me too.

cjd ohio 1 said:
history lessons, i know my country has done really bad shit in the past, but rev wright is a bigot

I’d say that’s true, but try to have perspective. During that whole controversy when select words of his were being played over and over I gained some respect for Mike Huckabee who said that anyone who was not a black man growing up in America in the 50s and 60s really has no idea what it was like. I think people in this country say “Get over it” rather casually not having experienced 1/100th of the ugly racism that black Americans experienced.
I guess I see it as a “walk a mile in my shoes” thing. I watched an entire sermon from Wright that one of the 5 second clips was pulled from. The content was about rising above adversity, personal responsibility, and overcoming fear and anger. Yet , as media opportunists often do, they pulled the 5 second clip and played it over and over to give a false impression of the man. I think most white Americans have no idea what they might do if growing up in a society where there were regraded as less and inferior, and confronted with racism their whole life. Still, we feel comfortable with judging and criticizing those who experiences it.

Pablo said:
UN Sec Res 1441 authorized action by member states if Saddam did not comply. Try reading it again.

from your link

Following the speech, intensive negotiations began with other members of the Security Council. In particular, three permanent members (with veto power) of the Council were known to have misgivings about an invasion of Iraq: Russia, China, and France.

While some politicians have argued that the resolution could authorize war under certain circumstances, the representatives in the meeting were clear that this was not the case.

The message was further confirmed by the ambassador for Syria:
Syria voted in favour of the resolution, having received reassurances from its sponsors, the United States of America and the United Kingdom, and from France and Russia through high-level contacts, that it would not be used as a pretext for striking against Iraq and does not constitute a basis for any automatic strikes against Iraq. The resolution should not be interpreted, through certain paragraphs, as authorizing any State to use force. It reaffirms the central role of the Security Council in addressing all phases of the Iraqi issue

Weapons inspectors returned on November 27
Inspectors began visiting sites where WMD production was suspected, but found no evidence of such activities, except for 18 undeclared 122mm chemical rockets that were destroyed under UNMOVIC supervision

On the 17th, speeches by Bush and UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw explicitly declared the period of diplomacy to be over, as declared by Resolution 1441′s prohibition on giving Iraq new opportunities for compliance, and that no further authorization from the UN would be sought before an invasion of Iraq

Nevertheless, this position taken by the Bush administration and its supporters, has been and still is being disputed by numerous legal experts. According to most members of the Security Council, it is up to the council itself, and not individual members, to determine how the body’s resolutions are to be enforced

I’d say that shows that my original assertion , that we went in without approval of the UN, specifically the security council, is absolutely correct. The Bush admin, the UK and the joke called the “coalition of the willing”
{bribed and coerced} argued a legal point using 1441 as their justification and invaded Iraq.

In fact

On September 16, 2004 Secretary-General of the United Nations Kofi Annan, speaking on the invasion, said, “I have indicated it was not in conformity with the UN Charter. From our point of view, from the charter point of view, it was illegal

UN Chief Inspector Hans Blix, on 14 February 2003, presented a report to the Security Council. Blix gave an update of the situation in Iraq, and he stated that the Iraqis were now more proactive in their cooperation. He also rebutted some of the arguments proposed by Powell. Blix questioned the interpretations of the satellite images put forward by Powell, and stated that alternate interpretations of the satellite images were credible

On February 24, 2003, the US, the UK and Spain presented a draft resolution to the Security Council which declared that Iraq has failed to take the final opportunity afforded to it resolution 1441.[3] The resolution split the UN and led to serious diplomatic rifts, with the US and the UK coming under sustained criticism from France, Russia, and Germany.
France – On 20 January 2003, Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin said, “We think that military intervention would be the worst possible solution
Russia – On the same day, Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov said that “Russia deems that there is no evidence that would justify a war in Iraq
Germany – On January 22, German chancellor Gerhard Schröder, at a meeting with French president Jacques Chirac, said that he and Chirac would do all they could to avert war. At the time, Germany was presiding over the Security Council.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_actions_regarding_Iraq

Mr.Papshmer said:
If a person were to attend a skinhead church in Idaho for twenty years, could you conclude that they are in fact racist?

The GOP courted Christian fundamentalist for years and years prior to Rev Wright getting attention. In fact MCCain was forced to distance hinself from hateful John Hagee because of the Wright attention.

cjd ohio 1 said:
then why didnt obama leave?

I wish I knew.
Ron Paul has said that our foreign policy hasn’t really changed regardless of who is president and it’s not based on just security, but largely economics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fHfdSi-GDo

I think our continued military presence over there is to protect our financial interests which IMO is a lousy reason to send soldiers to die and kill others. It’s not really about terrorism and I think continued military presence only makes it worse.

CosmosDan said:
I wish I knew.
Ron Paul has said that our foreign policy hasn’t really changed regardless of who is president and it’s not based on just security, but largely economics.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fHfdSi-GDo

I think our continued military presence over there is to protect our financial interests which IMO is a lousy reason to send soldiers to die and kill others. It’s not really about terrorism and I think continued military presence only makes it worse.

War has almost always been about economics. The rich start the wars and the poor fight them. This is as old as human kind. That is why we should question all military actions. Some are justified but not all.

cosmos, i have to admit i like the discussions with you, no insults, just a difference of opinion sometimes, but mostly civil, thanks

cjd ohio 1 said:
cosmos, i have to admit i like the discussions with you, no insults, just a difference of opinion sometimes, but mostly civil, thanks

He is very civil all the time.

I am doing this post just so I can be number 500!!!!!

CosmosDan said:
Just watching John Bohner crying again on TV. I want him to be a guest on Beck’s show and watch them them both start blubbering and hugging each other. I just really love this country so much. I Know what you mean, m-m-me too.

Sounds like two drunks sitting at the bar crying their eyes out. Whay a photo op that would be.

# 501 What do I win ?

CosmosDan said:
Calvin, I’d appreciate it if you didn’t put words in my mouth

Sorry. I didn’t mean to put words into your mouth. It’s been a while since that discussion and I forgot that your stance was that we were lied to on how much of a threat Hussein was.

Condalezza Rice was with Katie Couric the other day:

It’s obvious that the basis for Katie Couric’s question to former Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is that the President lied about the intelligence that there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. She frames her question this way:

On Iraq, books have been written, as you know, many, many books; documentaries have been made about how intelligence was incorrectly analyzed and cherry-picked to build an argument for war, and memos from that time do suggest that officials knew there was a small chance of actually finding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.

Rice completely disagreed with the premise and proceeded to educate Couric on the facts of why they went to war. And she does a fabulous job I might add.

Video of Rice educating Couric is in the link.

Pablo said:
So, that’s what you meant when you mentioned that out occupation of Germany ended in ‘55? I think you just wanted to point out that we’re occupying Germany because you’re ignorant of the fact that we’re not, and haven’t been for over 6 years.

{noted that you meant Iraq not Germany}

We can argue the difference of the technicality of occupation vs the reality of our troops continuing to fight and die there if you like. They did fight and die for several years after our occupation ended right? I’m glad the violence there is far less than it was, but I seriously question the purpose of our continued presence there, or the fact that the war in the ME seems to have shifted from Iraq to Afghanistan and now we’re bombing Pakistan as well.

I don’t mind admitting I was ignorant about UN resolution 1441 or some declaration of the end of our occupation. Mission Accomplished right? Those are interesting details and I’m glad to learn about them but for me , since the beginning , the issue for me was the lives of human beings, both our own troops , the dead and permanently injured, and the lives if Iraqis. I have this idea that Iraqi’s don’t necessarily feel the benefits of liberation when we’re killing them and blowing their country all to hell. I have this idea that they might resent the thought of a government they see as propped up and defended by a foreign power that seems to care more about their resources, than their actual lives.

Since terrorism is a very real ongoing threat I also question whether our long term military presence there, interference in Arab Muslim nations and the ongoing death of Muslim civilians at our hands does any real good at fighting terrorism. The very report Stu likes to quote to pretend Beck was right indicates that our presence there seems to fuel suspicion and hatred for the US by a large majority. IMO it also clearly violates the principles of liberty and freedom that we toss about so easily.

ftr; I was wrong in stated we didn’t occupy Germany. What I meant was an ongoing combative occupation and I should have been more specific and accurate.

cjd ohio 1 said:
cosmos, i have to admit i like the discussions with you, no insults, just a difference of opinion sometimes, but mostly civil, thanks

thank you, the feeling is mutual. I chuckled when you honestly posted that grammar is not your strong suit. Often when I hurry I get things ass backwards. {like the occupation of Germany mistake} It’s good when we can ask politely for a little clarification rather than resort to calling someone a liar or a moron, or other BS. This thread has been a real challenge to scroll by the name calling and try to find posts to respond to.

well i do have fun, armwood can be a little smug sometimes but generally ok,…….but BFD and Gordon i cant help but get nasty sometimes. And yes, the grammar thing, i know what i want to say, but my typos even make me laugh sometimes

armwood said:
War has almost always been about economics. The rich start the wars and the poor fight them. This is as old as human kind. That is why we should question all military actions. Some are justified but not all.

Yep, Not only oil but the huge profits for the military industrial complex. We’ve known for decades now that we needed to make changes in our use of oil. The often mocked Jimmy Carter tried to address it and we’ve been hearing about it but gas was cheap and we wanted big shiny cars so what the hell. That’s what I mean by our own moral failing and being complicit in where we are.

508 comments and counting… HOLY CRAP Beck can generate the traffic.

tatboy said:
508 comments and counting… HOLY CRAP Beck can generate the traffic.

Pablo said:
What does Stewart call Beck again?

Heads up Mediaite! Glenn Beck is talking about this on the radio!

cjd ohio 1 said:
well i do have fun, armwood can be a little smug sometimes but generally ok,…….but BFD and Gordon i cant help but get nasty sometimes. And yes, the grammar thing, i know what i want to say, but my typos even make me laugh sometimes

I know I am smug. It is my way of attacking what I perceive as poor arguments or more often personal attacks. I will not stoop to using foul language. I would rather just condescend. I try ro do it will a little sarcasm in hopes that the person I am hitting gets my point and elevates the dialogue. So far though it has not seemed to work. I will keep trying. I really enjoy engaging with people who disagree with me. I find it to be very important as a learning tool.

Calvin said:
Video of Rice educating Couric is in the link.

I have a lot of respect for Condi and her accomplishments, She’s also a fine musician which I admire as well. That said, I have a hard time with her involvement with the exaggeration of the threat of Iraq.

I certainly agree with her that there’s no point in taking what we now know and speculating about past decisions. As I told you before , the problem was the language used and the willful exaggeration of certain details, and that’s based on research I did at the time. We had been attacked and had already responded by going into Afghanistan. IMO, addressing terrorism was our top priority, and , in that, we had the support of many nations. We lost a lot of support when we went into Iraq.
The Nush admin was painting Iraq as some sort of Hitler light with designs on conquering the Middle east, and as a direct threat to us. Here’s Condi’s Mushroom cloud comment.
http://articles.cnn.com/2003-01-10/us/wbr.smoking.gun_1_smoking-gun-nuclear-weapons-hans-blix?_s=PM:US

Here’s Powell, another person I admire although not for this, exaggerating to the UN.
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-04-03/us/powell.iraq_1_official-iraqi-organization-biological-weapons-labs-state-colin-powell?_s=PM:US
and the infamous yellowcake incident and Bush’s 16 words
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries

. I understand the UN agreements after the 1st gulf war and I’m not sure why they weren’t being enforced by the UN. but the inspectors were back in Iraq and nothing significant was discovered. Condi’s right that we couldn’t be completely sure what Saddam might or might not do, but when war is on the line and we’re already engaged in one after being attacked , I think we have to be more sure than we were. Ad to that Richard Clarke’s testimony that Bush asked him to find a connection between Iraq and 9/11 and in my book that constitutes lies to lead us into a war.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Clarke

Clarke wrote in Against All Enemies that in the summer of 2001, the intelligence community was convinced of an imminent attack by al Qaeda, but could not get the attention of the highest levels of the Bush administration, most famously writing that Director of the Central Intelligence Agency George Tenet was running around with his “hair on fire”

Among his highly critical statements regarding the Bush Administration, Clarke charged that before and during the 9/11 crisis, many in the administration were distracted from efforts against Osama bin Laden’s Al-Qaeda organization by a pre-occupation with Iraq and Saddam Hussein. Clarke had written that on September 12, 2001, President Bush pulled him and a couple of aides aside and “testily” asked him to try to find evidence that Saddam was connected to the terrorist attacks. In response he wrote a report stating there was no evidence of Iraqi involvement and got it signed by all relevant agencies, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the CIA. The paper was quickly returned by a deputy with a note saying “Please update and resubmit”

I want to you ask Calvin if your arguments here are truly what you personally think or are you just taking the conservative position for the entertainment of discussion? If you truly want to learn about the issues I’d suggest you examine both sides of the argument and all relevant factual details.

Calvin said:
HOLY CRAP Beck can generate the traffic.

How much of this thread and the insult exchange has nothing to do with Beck.

CosmosDan said:
How much of this thread and the insult exchange has nothing to do with Beck.

Look at the comment count on Beck and Palin articles on Mediaite. Are you saying they DON’T generate (on average) a LOT more traffic (right & left) that most others??? Did Beck in the title not bring most of the posters to this article to have the slapfests with other posters?

armwood said:
The ignorant bigotry on this forum

armwood said:
What kind of jobs do you have?

armwood said:
You and some of the others of your ilk are not up to the task either temperamentally or intellectually.

armwood said:
Obviously families that lacked a moral center and without much love. It is sad to see the amount of ignorance and hate in our society.

armwood said:
People who are unhappy and frustrated with their lives like enemies to attack so they do not have to face their own failures in life. Many such people inhabit this site.

armwood said:
You are amazingly ignorant

armwood said:
Maybe if you had asked more questions you would have done better in school and received a better education

armwood said:
you just do not have the educational background

armwood said:
Pablo, you really need to go to school and learn some

armwood said:
I feel very sorry for you because obviously you never learned good behavior are social etiquette at home.

armwood said:
Are you the third generation in your family with either a masters or a doctorate degree?

armwood said:
How many academic institutions are named after members of your family? I have two. Please, you are not in my ballpark, not even my league.

armwood was valedictorian at Tool Academy.
Has there ever been a more pompous ass on this site? RRK sure has his hands full keeping the #1 spot.
Elitist, arrogant, condescending, mis-educated…his sh*t doesn’t stink and he never ever passes gas.

tatboy said:
Look at the comment count on Beck and Palin articles on Mediaite. Are you saying they DON’T generate (on average) a LOT more traffic (right & left) that most others??? Did Beck in the title not bring most of the posters to this article to have the slapfests with other posters?

Maybe and ultimately, I don’t care. This one is unusual with it’s post count and plenty of them seem to be about a side subject, or just bozos insulting each other. Hey let’s check out threads about Muslims and see if those comment counts are high.

Fact: Mediaite blocking post now?

These posts are peanuts. I have seen over 20,000 posts on topics on HuffPo. Happens all the time and I must say that trhe majority of them are REAL posts not knocking and name calling other posters.

BlackWidow said:
These posts are peanuts. I have seen over 20,000 posts on topics on HuffPo. Happens all the time and I must say that trhe majority of them are REAL posts not knocking and name calling other posters.

There are so many posts in threads over there that it’s virtually impossible to carry on a discussion with an individual, although their tracking system is pretty good so you can look at just your posts, and you can get email alerts for responses.

I have seen several threads that contain a whole lot of mocking and insults from the mostly liberal posters. Boy they sure get annoyed when you call them on it.

CosmosDan said:
I want to you ask Calvin if your arguments here are truly what you personally think or are you just taking the conservative position for the entertainment of discussion?

I do think that there was legitimate reasons to go there. I also wonder why we’re still there. There might be legitamate reasons for that, too. I don’t know. I’m still trying to decide. I’m hoping we’re not going to be there forever.

Anyhoo, last time we had this discussion (which I got tired of, sorry,) you said this:

CosmosDan said:
Calvin said:
You wouldn’t know it from the headlines, but the new WMD report explains why Saddam Hussein was a threat and why the U.S. was right to remove him. Arms inspector Charles Duelfer has just delivered the most exhaustive findings so far on Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction. As anyone even faintly aware of the report must know by now, Duelfer and his team found no WMD stockpiles and concluded that Iraqi WMD capability was “essentially destroyed” after the 1991 Gulf War.

CosmosDan said:

All that is is some opinion from a a right leaning web site, which basically shows that Saddam didn’t have WMD,

Did you miss the rest of that “opinion from a a right leaning web site” (which was essentially what was in the Duelfer report) ?

Calvin said:
The anti-war media have been quick to seize on that angle, kicking off stories with agitprop leads like this one from The Associated Press’ Ken Guggenheim:
“Contradicting the main argument for a war that has cost more than 1,000 American lives, the top U.S. arms inspector said Wednesday he found no evidence that Iraq produced any weapons of mass destruction after 1991.”
Fortunately, we live in the Internet era where Americans can easily find the facts. The Duelfer report is online , with good summaries in “Key Findings” and the Duelfer’s “Transmission Letter.”
Drawing not just on inspections but also on debriefings of regime officials — including Saddam himself — Duelfer gives us the best window yet into the dictator’s long-term strategy. From all sources the message was clear: Saddam’s first order of business, after his own survival, was to break the United Nations sanctions so that he could resume the WMD program. He came close to succeeding.
Forced to scrap most of his WMD after the first Gulf War, Saddam, Duelfer says, took pains to preserve know-how so that production could start quickly when sanctions were lifted. Sanctions lasted longer than Saddam had hoped, but by the end of the 1990s, his propaganda and bribery program — the U.N. oil-for-food program came in handy — had done its work. The sanctions were cracking.
After 9-11, with sharp prodding from the U.S., the U.N. rediscovered its backbone for a time and forced him to re-admit inspectors. Saddam’s French and Russian allies insisted that the inspections run their course. The U.S. and Britain decided on war instead.
That decision has never looked better than it does now.
If Saddam’s friends had prevailed, the inspections would have played into his hands. Having mothballed his WMD program, he would have received the U.N.’s clean bill of health and the sanctions would have been lifted.
In short order, he would have restarted his chemical, biological and nuclear programs, with plenty of oil money to buy materials and produce quick results. His contacts with al-Qaida might then have firmed up into an operational alliance. And the U.S. would be begging fruitlessly for global action, as it now does with Iran.
The situation in Iraq today, as President Bush likes to say, is “tough.” But it’s not the strategic nightmare that it would have been if Saddam had been allowed to stay.
On Wednesday, Sen. John Warner asked Duelfer if he thought the world is better off with Saddam out of power. “I’m an analyst, and I realize I’m in a political world right now,” Duelfer began.
But Warner pressed him further, and Duelfer went on: “But I have to agree. Analytically, the world is better off.”
His report, in its scrupulously impartial way, makes just that point.

Are you channeling Rachel Maddow?

Not to worry, Baghdad Bob, MSNBC’s got your back.

Criticizing former president George W. Bush’s newly released memoir, “Decision Points,” Maddow said this on her cable show Monday night (video below page break) –

In his new book, Mr. Bush says “removing Saddam from power was the right decision.” Why was it the right decision? Mr. Bush says, “for all the difficulties that followed, America is safer without a homicidal dictator pursuing WMD.” (Maddow repeats this for emphasis) A homicidal dictator pursuing weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein was not pursuing weapons of mass destruction. Do we really still have to go over this? As David Corn and Michael Isikoff pointed out today, authors of the book “Hubris” about the leadup to the war, Mr. Bush himself appointed Charles Duelfer and the Iraq Study Group to study this issue once and for all and settle it. They reported six years ago in 2004 that Saddam not only did not have those weapons, he did not have programs to make those weapons, he did not have anyone working on making those weapons. Saddam wasn’t pursuing WMDs and we invaded anyway. It is proven, it is empirically known, it is settled, it’s in black and white, it’s true!

As can be seen at 0:38 in the video, an excerpt from the Duelfer report was shown while Maddow stated the remarks above, the excerpt shown as a breakout q uote. The excerpt read as follows –

The former Regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions. Neither was there an identifiable group of WMD policy makers or planners separate from Saddam.

Here is the same paragraph — in its entirety — from the r eport’s key findings in the section titled “Regime Strategic Intent” –

The former Regime had no formal written strategy or plan for the revival of WMD after sanctions. Neither was there an identifiable group of WMD policy makers or planners separate from Saddam. *** Instead, his lieutenants understood WMD revival was his goal from their long association with Saddam and his infrequent, but firm, verbal comments and directions to them.***

(How do you bold text?)

At risk of stating the obvious, Saddam could never have reached “his goal” without, uh, “pursuing” it.

That Maddow cited so little of the Duelfer r
eport comes as no surprise, given that so much of it contradicts her Woodstock-nation delusions. More excerpts (with emphasis a
dded) –

Saddam wanted to recreate Iraq’s WMD capability — which was essentially destroyed in 1991 — after sanctions were removed and Iraq’s e conomy stabilized, but probably with a different mix of capabilities to that which previously existed. ***Saddam aspired to develop a nuclear capability — ***in an incremental fashion, irrespective of international pressure and the resulting economic risks — but ***he intended to focus on ballistic missile and tactical c hemical warfare (CW) capabilities.*** (key findings, “Regime Strategic Intent”)

Iraq S urvey Group (ISG) judges that events in the 1980s and early 1990s shaped Saddam’s belief in the value of WMD. *** In Saddam’s view, WMD helped to save the Regime multiple times.*** He believed that during the Iran-Iraq war c
hemical weapons had halted Iranian ground offensives and that ballistic missile attacks on Tehran had broken its political will. Similarly, during Desert Storm, Saddam believed WMD had deterred Coalition Forces from pressing their attack beyond the goal of freeing Kuwait. WMD had even played a role in crushing the Shi’a revolt in the south following the 1991 cease-fire. (key findings, “Regime Strategic Intent”)

Throughout the 1990s and up to OIF (March 2003), Saddam focused on one set of objectives: the survival of himself, his Regime, and his legacy. To secure these objectives, Saddam needed to exploit Iraqi oil assets, to portray a strong military capability to deter internal and external threats, and to foster his image as as Arab leader. ***Saddam recognized that the reconstitution of Iraqi WMD enhanced both his security and his image.*** Consequently, Saddam needed to end UN-imposed sanctions to fulfill his goals. (key findings, “Regime Finance and Procurement”)

Iraq’s decisions in 1996 to accept the Oil-For-Food program (OFF) and later in 1998 to cease cooperation with UNSCOM and IAEA spurred a period of increased activity in delivery systems development. ***The pace of ongoing missile programs accelerated, and the Regime authorized its scientists to design missiles with ranges in excess of 150 km that, if developed, would have been clear violations of UNSCR 687. ***(key findings, “Delivery Systems”)

ISG uncovered Iraqi plans or designs for three long-range ballistic missiles with ranges from 400 to 1,000 km and for a 1,000-km-range cruise missile, although none of these systems progressed to production and only one reportedly passed the design phase. ***ISG assesses that these plans demonstrate Saddam’s continuing desire — up to the beginning of Operation Iraqi F reedom (OIF) — for a long-range delivery capability. ***(key findings, “Delivery Systems”)

Given Iraq’s i nvestments in t echnology and infrastructure improvements, an effective procurement n etwork, skilled scientists, and designs already on the books for longer range missiles, ***ISG assesses that Saddam clearly intended to reconstitute long-range delivery systems and that the systems potentially were for WMD.*** (key findings, “Delivery Systems”)

ISG uncovered information that the ***Iraqi Intelligence Service (IIS) maintained throughout 1991 to 2003 a set of undeclared covert laboratories to research and test various c hemicals and poisons,*** primarily for intelligence operations. (key findings, “C
hemical”)

Iraq attempted to balance competing desires to appear to cooperate with the UN and have sanctions lifted, and to preserve the ability ***to eventually reconstitute its weapons of mass destruction.*** (“Cooperating with UNSCOM While Preserving WMD”)

The Regime made a ***token effort to comply with the disarmament process, but the Iraqis never intended to meet the spirit of the UNSC’s resolutions.*** Outward acts of compliance belied a covert desire to resume WMD activities. Several senior officials also either inferred or heard Saddam say that he reserved the right to resume WMD research after sanctions. (“Looking Ahead to Resume WMD programs”)

The quick end to Saddam’s Regime brought a similarly rapid end to its pursuit of sanctions relief, *** a goal it had been palpably close to achieving.*** (“Miscalculation, 2002-2003″)

A former IIS officer claimed that the M16 directorate had ***a plan to produce and weaponize nitrogen mustard in rifle grenades, and a plan to bottle Sarin and sulfur mustard in perfume sprayers and medicine bottles which they could s hip to the United States and Europe.*** The source claimed they could not implement the plan because c
hemicals to produce the CW agents were unavailable. (“Iraq’s C
hemical Warfare Program — Annex A”)

Efforts leading to the Duelfer r
eport’s findings took place in exceedingly difficult circumstances — a country engulfed in violent conflict. “In fact, combined with the chaos of the war and the widespread looting in the immediate aftermath of the conflict,” according to r
eport’s Scope Note, “it resulted in the loss of a great amount of potentially valuable information and material for constructing a full picture of Iraqi WMD capabilities. Sites were looted. Documents were either ignored or collected haphazardly or burned by either the Regime or Coalition forces.”

Conditions in Iraq were so dangerous that two soldiers on the study group team, Sgt. Sherwood R. Baker and Sgt. Lawrence A. Rourkey, were killed on April 26, 2004 when an explosion destroyed a facility being inspected. “ISG teams have been shot at many times with some serious injuries,” according to the r
eport’s Scope Notes. “Many armored cars have been destroyed in attacks.”

Furthermore, in an 84-page addenda released in March 2005, the Iraqi Study Group stated that while “it was unlikely that an official transfer of WMD material from Iraq to Syria took place,” the ISG “was unable to rule out the unofficial movement of WMD-related materials.”

The Duelfer report also does not settle “once and for all” the controversy over Iraqi WMD, as Maddow claimed. “This will not be the last word on the Iraqi experience with WMD,” the reports states in its Acknowledgements.

As she does every time Maddow criticizes Bush’s decision to oust Saddam by force, she doesn’t say what should have been done instead.

Would Maddow prefer that Saddam were still in control of a totalitarian regime in the most volatile region of the world, with not one but two sons to succeed him?

Would Maddow prefer that UN sanctions against Iraq were still in place, the ones that critics alleged were killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children every year, and which ended after the US-led invasion?

Would Maddow prefer that American soldiers were still stationed en masse in Saudi Arabia, because of the ongoing threat posed by Saddam after Iraq was expelled from Kuwait? A decade ago, infidel troops in the land of Muhammad was al Qaeda’s single biggest grievance against the West. Just as UN sanctions against Iraq ended after Saddam was toppled, so did the US military presence on the Saudi peninsula.

In other words, would Maddow prefer circumstances as they existed in the Middle East before 9/11 — that led to the attack?

You can find the links at the article.

CosmosDan said:
If you truly want to learn about the issues I’d suggest you examine both sides of the argument and all relevant factual details.

I’m tryin’ Dan ;-) That’s why I’m here.

CosmosDan said:
If you truly want to learn about the issues I’d suggest you examine both sides of the argument and all relevant factual details.

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missed it mediaite

10% of Muslims in the world may not be active terrorists, but I’d say that 10% includes Muslims who cheer at home whenever Americans are murdered in the name of Islam. The narrative that only a tiny fraction of Muslims have radical anti-American beliefs is a lie.

armwood said:
As usual you are unable to address any specific point so you broadly try to condem me. Pretty pathetic but that is what you do. You avoid what you cannot handle. I can guarantee that I come from more stable and better educated background than you. Are you the third generation in your family with either a masters or a doctorate degree? I think not. I am so stop making idiotic statements which you know nothing about. How many academic institutions are named after members of your family? I have two. Please, you are not in my ballpark, not even my league. Your post bely your pedestrian roots and your lack of a decent education. Your behavior speaks to a moral decay that is eating at the very fabric of our country. Do not attack me at our your jealously.

Fact: Like I was posting earlier before getting a post blocked or two. I to have printed my fake armwood degree so that all will take my own PHD statements as if it means something important. Now that I have two or three generations of immoral family generations on my side like his I like to act as if my words drown out all others with knowledge for all to gasp at my mastery of English language too! If you need your own armwood get it here;
http://www.accredited-non-fake-online-degree-mill.com/

Chris Jones said:
10% of Muslims in the world may not be active terrorists, but I’d say that 10% includes Muslims who cheer at home whenever Americans are murdered in the name of Islam. The narrative that only a tiny fraction of Muslims have radical anti-American beliefs is a lie.

Hmm, I wonder what the percentage of Christians who cheer on harm to Muslims is? Probably more than 10%.

well, have gallup conduct a poll jjay, just your opinion, not a fact, and you have shown your bigotry

gordonbloyershow said:
Why don’t you tell us where you live and what your REAL name is? Anyone can look on my website and know where I live. My phone number is in the phone book. I bet you have an unlisted number? Face it Monica, you have a problem. Did you put nude photos on Facebook?

Old Man Blowhard, stop telling me how I can look you up. I’m not interested in dirty old perverts like you. And my name is Jenny, not Monica. Take your sick fantasies somewhere else.

cjd ohio 1 said:
well, have gallup conduct a poll jjay, just your opinion, not a fact, and you have shown your bigotry

Hey, I’m totally equal opportunity when it comes to all of it. I think Christians and Muslims are equally batshit insane.

really, havent seen too many christians flying planes into building in my lifetime, and yes christians have their wingnuts, abortion bomber etc

and no i am not a christian

cjd ohio 1 said:
really, havent seen too many christians flying planes into building in my lifetime, and yes christians have their wingnuts, abortion bomber etc

No, Christians just invade Muslim countries.

muslims do the same, mostly with other muslim countries though

jjay7381 said:
Hmm, I wonder what the percentage of Christians who cheer on harm to Muslims is? Probably more than 10%.

yeah..and?

GlennBeckReview said:
“may wait until “Time Magazine picks their person of the year.””

gordontheblowhardwithashow says:
Or they may wait until Hell freezes over. LOL. We are all waiting with baited breath. LOL.
When your friends bombshell goes nowhere we won’t see you post here again, will we?”

You forget or ignore that I’m not especially enamored by this story about Beck’s skeleton. My collaborator also has issues with it. This afternoon he wrote, “I’m back to my moral dilemma about this piece.” I cannot elaborate except to write that there would be innocent victims of this news if it’s published.

I have found out today that Beck has demonstrated hypocrisy on this issue. If it were up to me, that would be sufficient to publish this bombshell. However, it is not in my hands.

I have an excellent idea, Gordon, the blowhard with a show: hold your breath waiting.

BlackWidow said:
These posts are peanuts. I have seen over 20,000 posts on topics on HuffPo. Happens all the time and I must say that trhe majority of them are REAL posts not knocking and name calling other posters.

Are you kidding me??? I’m on HuffPo all the time and it is 90% insults and personal attacks… I encourage averyone to take a look over there right now. Pick a topic at random and see the # of flames, attacks, hateful comments, Nazi compairasins, and general spew.

Calvin said:
I do think that there was legitimate reasons to go there. I also wonder why we’re still there. There might be legitamate reasons for that, too. I don’t know. I’m still trying to decide. I’m hoping we’re not going to be there forever.

To clarify my position, I thought there were some legitimate reasons as well. Given the kind of brutal dictator he was I wondered why we didn’t take him out after Desert Storm , but the reason given by Cheney at the time was the problem of a vacuum of power
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BEsZMvrq-I
That was still true when we invaded, although I think there was a plan to establish a government friendly to the US that didn’t work out. I agree that working toward democracies in dictatorial countries is a good idea , but you do it by backing the right people already in the country that are working toward that goal.
The problem with democracies and those concepts of liberty and freedom is that it’s entirely possible that a free democratic nation may not care much or cooperate with our finical or military interests and under those concepts of liberty and sovereignty we have to respect those decisions. What we’ve done for decades is interfere and give our selfish interests priority over those noble concepts we talk about.

How would you describe Glenn Beck? Someone who consistently demonstrates all the unstable behaviors of a dry alcoholic which include grandiosity, judgmentalism, intolerance, impulsivity, ADD, indecisiveness and blindness to truth. In short, Beck, Limbaugh, O Reilly, Hannity, Palin, O Donnell, Coulter and others like them frequently pervert truth, history, facts, religion and the US Constitution when they open their big mouths. Beck is simply part of a national league of pseudo-conservative idiots who make big money by selling lies and half truths to impressionable fools who occupy the lowest levels of society. Basically…tea baggers and registered republicans who are condemned to repeat the mistakes of history.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Like I was posting earlier before getting a post blocked or two. I to have printed my fake armwood degree so that all will take my own PHD statements as if it means something important. Now that I have two or three generations of immoral family generations on my side like his I like to act as if my words drown out all others with knowledge for all to gasp at my mastery of English language too! If you need your own armwood get it here;
http://www.accredited-non-fake-online-degree-mill.com/

From what I can tell, the only requirement for a graduate degree in education is a pulse.

Crap, posted to soon,

My questions at the time based on research was , if terrorism and 9/11 are our top security priorities, why start another war, and lie about things to start it, and alienate countries that were our allies in the fight against terrorism. With the dishonesty , Richard Clark’s input, Cheney’s connection to Haliburton, and then what has unfolded since, I see it as a real moral failing and a horrible decision for America.

Calvin said:
Did you miss the rest of that “opinion from a a right leaning web site” (which was essentially what was in the Duelfer report) ?

I may have. The point for me after researching the Iran Iraq war and Kuwait which were being used as evidence of Saddam’s evil intention was that it seemed that Saddam , as bad as he was, knew we could take him out any time we wanted, and didn’t want that. That’s why he quickly let the inspectors back in before our invasion. Even if he did have some WMDs there was little chance he would use them for any other invasion or against us because to do so amounted to suicide. In that part of the world he was considered a secular government and a possible force against radical Islam, which was our biggest concern at the time. I think it was good the inspectors were back in , as they should have been before, but I also think Saddam was very containable by the UN , which is part of it’s purpose.

armwood said:
Malcolm X was an American. His own country was the United States. His brand of Islam was American born until he converted to Suni Islam the year before he was killed in 1965. What happens in other countries is irrelevant. Saudi Arabia has never claimed to be a democracy or the land of the free. It did not have a constitution that guaranties basic human rights. You are missing the whole point. If you had taken time to listen to any of Malcolm X’s speeches you would know is whole point was very simple. America was hypocritical. It preached one philosophy to the world and practiced another. You should do your homework before you speak about things that you have only heard about third hand. Educate yourself. Listen to Malcolm X’s speech “The Ballot Or The Billet. Then we can have an intelligent conversation.

What happens in other countries is irrelevent? I’ll bet you didn’t think that when university students across america were protesting the policies of South Africa’s apartheid regime. Face it, Malcolm X was a total hypocrite if he ignored the racism (mainly against darker-skinned africans) and slavery (of non-muslims) surrounding him in the Middle East. Since we’re recommending reading materials to one another, might I suggest “Race and Slavery in Islam” by Bernard Lewis.

For extra credit, review this timeline and see if you can tell any difference between the nations that were first to abolish slavery and those who were last.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

Sean68 said:
What happens in other countries is irrelevent? I’ll bet you didn’t think that when university students across america were protesting the policies of South Africa’s apartheid regime. Face it, Malcolm X was a total hypocrite if he ignored the racism (mainly against darker-skinned africans) and slavery (of non-muslims) surrounding him in the Middle East. Since we’re recommending reading materials to one another, might I suggest “Race and Slavery in Islam” by Bernard Lewis.

For extra credit, review this timeline and see if you can tell any difference between the nations that were first to abolish slavery and those who were last.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

Also, wasn’t Malcolm X a proponent of “pan-africanism”? Do you reject pan-africanism?

CosmosDan said:
How much of this thread and the insult exchange has nothing to do with Beck.

You call me miseducated. Do you really want to compare academic credentials? I don’t think so. It would be quite embarrassing for you.

Sean68 said:
From what I can tell, the only requirement for a graduate degree in education is a pulse.

Probably at the level of schools that you have attended but not at top tier schools like the ones I attended.

Calvin said:
Forced to scrap most of his WMD after the first Gulf War, Saddam, Duelfer says, took pains to preserve know-how so that production could start quickly when sanctions were lifted. Sanctions lasted longer than Saddam had hoped, but by the end of the 1990s, his propaganda and bribery program — the U.N. oil-for-food program came in handy — had done its work. The sanctions were cracking.

I can believe that, but based on my understanding of the history in that area and the motives of Saddam’s war with Iran and Iraq, i have very little doubt Saddam would not have used WMDs except in defense because he knew what would happen if he did.

Calvin said:
After 9-11, with sharp prodding from the U.S., the U.N. rediscovered its backbone for a time and forced him to re-admit inspectors. Saddam’s French and Russian allies insisted that the inspections run their course. The U.S. and Britain decided on war instead.
That decision has never looked better than it does now.
If Saddam’s friends had prevailed, the inspections would have played into his hands. Having mothballed his WMD program, he would have received the U.N.’s clean bill of health and the sanctions would have been lifted.
In short order, he would have restarted his chemical, biological and nuclear programs, with plenty of oil money to buy materials and produce quick results. His contacts with al-Qaida might then have firmed up into an operational alliance. And the U.S. would be begging fruitlessly for global action, as it now does with Iran.
The situation in Iraq today, as President Bush likes to say, is “tough.” But it’s not the strategic nightmare that it would have been if Saddam had been allowed to stay.

This is all speculation. I think the threat of force to allow inspectors in was the right thing to do, but the UN inspector wasn’t near giving them a clean bill of health. His report actually said that he doubted Saddam was being forthcoming, which meant inspections would go on.
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Survey_Group

Iran was Iraq’s pre-eminent motivator.

Iran, the more radical Islam regime. From a strictly USA security point of view, do we care if Iran and Iraq, two enemies of ours, beat up on each other?

Calvin said:
Are you channeling Rachel Maddow?

Nope. The fact that WMDs weren’t actually there doesn’t mean we knew that ahead of time or that he had no plans to develop them. I knew that was possible all along, but in light of 9/11 and and our focus on terrorism, invading Iraq seemed like a horrible idea.

Calvin said:
Would Maddow prefer that American soldiers were still stationed en masse in Saudi Arabia, because of the ongoing threat posed by Saddam after Iraq was expelled from Kuwait? A decade ago, infidel troops in the land of Muhammad was al Qaeda’s single biggest grievance against the West. Just as UN sanctions against Iraq ended after Saddam was toppled, so did the US military presence on the Saudi peninsula.

In other words, would Maddow prefer circumstances as they existed in the Middle East before 9/11 — that led to the attack?

This makes no sense to me at all. Now almost ten years later we have active combat troops in Afghanistan and tens of thousands still in Iraq. Don’t you suppose that counts as Infidel troops on Muslim lands. The report Stu quotes to defend Beck says exactly that. Our military presence and interference in their countries fuels distrust and resentment and helps the terrorist groups recruiters.

Calvin said:
I’m tryin’ Dan ;-) That’s why I’m here.

I believe you, thanks for answering. I’ve had long discussions with several people who seemed to want an argument more than they wanted to consider and understand the facts so I was just checking.

armwood said:
You call me miseducated. Do you really want to compare academic credentials? I don’t think so. It would be quite embarrassing for you.

Did you mean to quote me, because I never said any such thing.

Sean68 said:
Also, wasn’t Malcolm X a proponent of “pan-africanism”? Do you reject pan-africanism?

What is wrong with pan-Africanism? I think nothing. Have you read any of the writings of Kwame Nkrumah, Sekou Toure or any of the fathers of the movement. I had the good fortune of attending a undergraduate school where many of the leaders of African liberation struggles came and spoke regularly. I met quite a few. Pan-Africanism was a necessary stage in the struggle to free Africa from the yoke of European imperialism and neo-colonialism. Listen to his speeches on the subject. you will learn a lot. If you support the American revolution you cannot be consistant and oppose pan-Africanism.

armwood said:

December 13, 2010 at 4:00 pm  (Q

LOL. Yes, I’m quite certain you went to a great school that valued your skin color more than your test scores.

armwood, cosmos did not insult or question your education, you owe him a apology

“How would you describe Glenn Beck? ”

Successful, charitable, humble, wise, intelligent, and patriotic. Typical reasons that infantile leftist hate.

Sean68 said:
What happens in other countries is irrelevent? I’ll bet you didn’t think that when university students across america were protesting the policies of South Africa’s apartheid regime. Face it, Malcolm X was a total hypocrite if he ignored the racism (mainly against darker-skinned africans) and slavery (of non-muslims) surrounding him in the Middle East. Since we’re recommending reading materials to one another, might I suggest “Race and Slavery in Islam” by Bernard Lewis.

For extra credit, review this timeline and see if you can tell any difference between the nations that were first to abolish slavery and those who were last.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

You know so little about Malcolm X. You need to read more and speak less. Malcolm x opposed all times of racism. You need to watch the documentary movie “A Long And Mighty March”, produced by Wesley Snipes, documenting the life of one of my former professors John Henrik Clarke. The Arab nations were no friends of African peoples. They were only second to the European and their American cousins in barbarity towards Africans. Malcolm X discussed all of this. You speak out of a fundamental ignorance. Please learn history, study subjects before you post information regarding subjects you know nothing about. You only embarrass yourself with your ignorance.

armwood said:
What is wrong with pan-Africanism? I think nothing. Have you read any of the writings of Kwame Nkrumah, Sekou Toure or any of the fathers of the movement. I had the good fortune of attending a undergraduate school where many of the leaders of African liberation struggles came and spoke regularly. I met quite a few. Pan-Africanism was a necessary stage in the struggle to free Africa from the yoke of European imperialism and neo-colonialism. Listen to his speeches on the subject. you will learn a lot. If you support the American revolution you cannot be consistant and oppose pan-Africanism.

Oh, now you support it. Before, after I pointed out that malcolm x was hypocritical in going to a number of nasty muslim countries in the middle east seeking their support in denouncing the US in the United Nations–without uttering a word about those countries’ own evil practices–you told me malcolm x was an american and therefore what happened in other countries was irrelevent. I understand you’ve probably been busy googling, but isn’t the very essence of “pan-africanism” (read Marcus Garvey–the guy wanted to go back to africa, funny though he never managed to get there) that borders are irrelevent in matters of justice?

Sean68 said:
LOL. Yes, I’m quite certain you went to a great school that valued your skin color more than your test scores.

I assure you that my test scores far exceed yours. Your mediocrity is self evidence by the poor quality of your posts. Unfortunately you are not sophisticated enough to see your own failings. How many C’s did you get in college huh? How many B’s?

armwood said:
You know so little about Malcolm X. You need to read more and speak less. Malcolm x opposed all times of racism. You need to watch the documentary movie “A Long And Mighty March”, produced by Wesley Snipes, documenting the life of one of my former professors John Henrik Clarke. The Arab nations were no friends of African peoples. They were only second to the European and their American cousins in barbarity towards Africans. Malcolm X discussed all of this. You speak out of a fundamental ignorance. Please learn history, study subjects before you post information regarding subjects you know nothing about. You only embarrass yourself with your ignorance.

Well, I’ve read the Autobiography of Malcolm X a couple of times. I read a book about him by a friend who knew him prior to his prison sentence and conversion to islam (though all I remember is that Malcolm X liked receiving oral sex from transvestites!). I’m also familiar with John Henrik Clarke. The guy’s a joke. Tell me, mr.-I-went-to-a-better-college-than-you (by the way, if Clark was one of your professers, you didn’t go to a better college than I), where did Clarke get his doctorate?

Sean68 said:
Oh, now you support it. Before, after I pointed out that malcolm x was hypocritical in going to a number of nasty muslim countries in the middle east seeking their support in denouncing the US in the United Nations–without uttering a word about those countries’ own evil practices–you told me malcolm x was an american and therefore what happened in other countries was irrelevent. I understand you’ve probably been busy googling, but isn’t the very essence of “pan-africanism” (read Marcus Garvey–the guy wanted to go back to africa, funny though he never managed to get there) that borders are irrelevent in matters of justice?

Marcus Garvey, did create the largest mass movement in African American history up to his lifetime. He created the “Black Star Line” shipping company. The U.S. government went after him on trumped up charges of mail fraud. Read my former professor’s book Marcus Garvey by John Henrik Clarke. I have had the good fortune to meet people who were involved in his organization, the Universal Negro Improvement Association. Garvey, a Jamaican, was a major figure in African American history. Read about him. He was an interesting figure. Elijah Muhammed, founder of the Nation of Islam, the organization that Malcolm x came out of was a member of Garvey’s Universal Negro Improvement Association.

cjd ohio 1 said:
armwood, cosmos did not insult or question your education, you owe him a apology

I think it was just a mistake in who he was was quoting and responding to, but I did tear up a bit.

maybe I was channeling Beck or Bohner for a second. the horror!!

armwood said:
I assure you that my test scores far exceed yours. Your mediocrity is self evidence by the poor quality of your posts. Unfortunately you are not sophisticated enough to see your own failings. How many C’s did you get in college huh? How many B’s?

Funny. I was going to say the same thing about you (not really; the ad hominem is not my thing). So were you planning on ignoring the argument of my last post?

CosmosDan said:
Did you mean to quote me, because I never said any such thing.

Whoah there! Friendly internet fire alert!

Sean68 said:
Well, I’ve read the Autobiography of Malcolm X a couple of times. I read a book about him by a friend who knew him prior to his prison sentence and conversion to islam (though all I remember is that Malcolm X liked receiving oral sex from transvestites!). I’m also familiar with John Henrik Clarke. The guy’s a joke. Tell me, mr.-I-went-to-a-better-college-than-you (by the way, if Clark was one of your professers, you didn’t go to a better college than I), where did Clarke get his doctorate?

You call Clarke a joke? What do you know about him. He was a internationally respected scholar. Your name calling does not change this fact.

John Henrik Clarke (January 1, 1915 – July 16, 1998), born John Henry Clark, was a Pan-Africanist American writer, historian, professor, and a pioneer in the creation of Africana studies and professional institutions in academia starting in the late 1960s.
He was Professor of African World History and in 1969 founding chairman of the Department of Black and Puerto Rican Studies at Hunter College of the City University of New York. He also was the Carter G. Woodson Distinguished Visiting Professor of African History at Cornell University’s Africana Studies and Research Center. In 1968 along with the Black Caucus of the African Studies Association, Clarke founded the African Heritage Studies Association.
A self-educated intellectual, Clarke documented the histories and contributions of African peoples in Africa and the diaspora, creating an Afrocentric perspective.

In 1933 Harlem had drawn though Great Migration a concentration of African Americans, many of whom figured in the Harlem Renaissance. Clarke developed as a writer and lecturer during Great Depression years. He joined study circles like the Harlem History Club and the Harlem Writers’ Workshop. He studied history and world literature at New York University, at Columbia University, and at the League for Professional Writers.[1] He was an autodidact whose mentors included the scholar Arthur Schomburg.[2] At the age of 78 Clarke obtained a doctorate from the then non-accredited Pacific Western University (now California Miramar University) in Los Angeles. The New York Times noted that Clarke’s ascension to professor emeritus at Hunters College was “unusual…without benefit of a high school diploma.” The Times also acknowledged that “nobody said Professor Clarke wasn’t an academic original”, but nonetheless referred to him using the honorific prefix “Mr.” rather than “Dr.”.[3]
Prominent during the Black Power movement, Clarke advocated for studies on the African-American experience and the place of Africans in world history. He challenged academic historians and helped shift the way African history was studied and taught. Clarke was “a scholar devoted to redressing what he saw as a systematic and racist suppression and distortion of African history by traditional scholars.” When some of the scholarship he championed was dismissed by many historians, Clarke imparted to them the biases of Eurocentric views.
“He devoted himself to placing people of African ancestry ‘on the map of human geography’.”[4] He was quoted saying that “History is not everything, but it is a starting point. History is a clock that people use to tell their political and cultural time of day. It is a compass they use to find themselves on the map of human geography. It tells them where they are, but more importantly, what they must be.”[5]
Besides teaching at Hunter College and Cornell University, Clarke was active in creating professional associations to support the study of black culture. He was a founder and first president of the African Heritage Studies Association, which supported scholars in areas of history, culture, literature and the arts. He was a founding member of other organizations to recognize and support work in black culture: the Black Academy of Arts and Letters and the African-American Scholars’ Council.[1]
His writing included scholarly six books, many scholarly articles, and editing anthologies of black writing, a well as his own short stories, and more general interest articles.[3] He was co-founder of the Harlem Quarterly (1949–51), book review editor of the Negro History Bulletin (1948–52), associate editor of the magazine Freedomways, and a feature writer for the Pittsburgh Courier and the Ghana Evening News.[1]
[edit]Marriage and family

Clarke had three children with his first wife, Eugenia Evans Clarke, a daughter who predeceased him, Lillie, and two surviving children, Nzingha Marie and Sonni Kojo.
At his death he was survived by his second wife Sybille Williams Clarke and his two children.[3] He is buried in Green Acres Cemetery, Columbus, Georgia.[6]
[edit]Legacy and honors

1985 – Faculty of the Africana Studies and Research Center at Cornell University named the John Henrik Clarke Library after him.[7]
1995 – Carter G. Woodson Medallion, Association for the Study of Afro-American Life and History
2002 – Molefi Kete Asante listed Dr. John Henrik Clarke on his list of 100 Greatest African Americans.[8]
[edit]Citations

^ a b c “John Henrik Clarke”, Legacy Exhibit online, New York Public Library Schomburg Center for the Study of Black Culture, accessed 20 Jan 2009
^ Jacob H. Carruthers, “John Henrik Clarke: the Harlem connection to the founding of Africana Studies”, in Afro-Americans in New York Life and History, Afro-American Historical Association of the Niagara Frontier, Inc., 2006, accessed 25 May 2009
^ a b c Thomas, Jr., Robert McG. (July 20, 1998). “John Henrik Clarke, Black Studies Advocate, Dies at 83″. New York Times. Retrieved January 21, 2009.
^ Robert L. Harris, Jr., “IN MEMORIAM DR. JOHN HENRIK CLARKE, 1915-1998″], The Journal of Negro History, September, 1998, accessed 25 May 2009
^ Eric Kofi Acree, “John Henrik Clarke: Historian, Scholar, and Teacher”, John Henrik Clarke Africana Library, Cornell University, accessed 25 May 2009
^ The Scribner Encyclopedia of American Lives, p. 122, Simon and Schuster, 1998
^ “History of the John Henrik Clarke Africana Library”, reprinted from: Black Caucus of the ALA Newsletter, vol. XXIV, No. 5 (April, 1996), p. 11; Cornell University Library, accessed 20 Jan 2009
^ Molefi Kete Asante (2002). 100 Greatest African Americans: A Biographical Encyclopedia. Amherst, New York. Prometheus Books. ISBN 1-57392-963-8.
[edit]External links

“The John Henrik Clarke Virtual Museum”, National Black United Front Web Site
“In Memory of John Henrik Clarke”, Hunter College, City University of New York
John Henrik Clarke bibliographies from Cornell University
IMDB.com entry on the film John Henrik Clarke: A Great & Mighty Walk

Additional reading

“John Henrik Clarke: His People’s Historian”, Black Collegian
“John Henrik Clarke”, AfricaWithin.com[unreliable source?]
“From SBA to SIA: A Great And Mighty Walk”, AfricaWithin.com
“Portrait of a Liberation Scholar”, AfricaWithin.com
[edit]

armwood said:
You call Clarke a joke? What do you know about him. He was a internationally respected scholar. Your name calling does not change this fact.

John Henrik Clarke (January 1, 1915 – July 16, 1998), born John Henry Clark, was a Pan-Africanist American writer, historian, professor, and a pioneer in the creation of Africana studies and professional institutions in academia starting in the late 1960s.
He was Professor of African World History and in 1969 founding chairman of the Department of Black and Puerto Rican Studies at Hunter College of the City University of New York. He also was the Carter G. Woodson Distinguished Visiting Professor of African History at Cornell University’s Africana Studies and Research Center. In 1968 along with the Black Caucus of the African Studies Association, Clarke founded the African Heritage Studies Association.
A self-educated intellectual, Clarke documented the histories and contributions of African peoples in Africa and the diaspora, creating an Afrocentric perspective.

In 1933 Harlem had drawn though Great Migration a concentration of African Americans, many of whom figured in the Harlem Renaissance. Clarke developed as a writer and lecturer during Great Depression years. He joined study circles like the Harlem History Club and the Harlem Writers’ Workshop. He studied history and world literature at New York University, at Columbia University, and at the League for Professional Writers.[1] He was an autodidact whose mentors included the scholar Arthur Schomburg.[2] At the age of 78 Clarke obtained a doctorate from the then non-accredited Pacific Western University (now California Miramar University) in Los Angeles. The New York Times noted that Clarke’s ascension to professor emeritus at Hunters College was “unusual…without benefit of a high school diploma.” The Times also acknowledged that “nobody said Professor Clarke wasn’t an academic original”, but nonetheless referred to him using the honorific prefix “Mr.” rather than “Dr.”.[3]
Prominent during the Black Power movement, Clarke advocated for studies on the African-American experience and the place of Africans in world history. He challenged academic historians and helped shift the way African history was studied and taught. Clarke was “a scholar devoted to redressing what he saw as a systematic and racist suppression and distortion of African history by traditional scholars.” When some of the scholarship he championed was dismissed by many historians, Clarke imparted to them the biases of Eurocentric views.
“He devoted himself to placing people of African ancestry ‘on the map of human geography’.”[4] He was quoted saying that “History is not everything, but it is a starting point. History is a clock that people use to tell their political and cultural time of day. It is a compass they use to find themselves on the map of human geography. It tells them where they are, but more importantly, what they must be.”[5]
Besides teaching at Hunter College and Cornell University, Clarke was active in creating professional associations to support the study of black culture. He was a founder and first president of the African Heritage Studies Association, which supported scholars in areas of history, culture, literature and the arts. He was a founding member of other organizations to recognize and support work in black culture: the Black Academy of Arts and Letters and the African-American Scholars’ Council.[1]
His writing included scholarly six books, many scholarly articles, and editing anthologies of black writing, a well as his own short stories, and more general interest articles.[3] He was co-founder of the Harlem Quarterly (1949–51), book review editor of the Negro History Bulletin (1948–52), associate editor of the magazine Freedomways, and a feature writer for the Pittsburgh Courier and the Ghana Evening News.[1]
[edit]Marriage and family

Clarke had three children with his first wife, Eugenia Evans Clarke, a daughter who predeceased him, Lillie, and two surviving children, Nzingha Marie and Sonni Kojo.
At his death he was survived by his second wife Sybille Williams Clarke and his two children.[3] He is buried in Green Acres Cemetery, Columbus, Georgia.[6]
[edit]Legacy and honors

1985 – Faculty of the Africana Studies and Research Center at Cornell University named the John Henrik Clarke Library after him.[7]
1995 – Carter G. Woodson Medallion, Association for the Study of Afro-American Life and History
2002 – Molefi Kete Asante listed Dr. John Henrik Clarke on his list of 100 Greatest African Americans.[8]
[edit]Citations

^ a b c “John Henrik Clarke”, Legacy Exhibit online, New York Public Library Schomburg Center for the Study of Black Culture, accessed 20 Jan 2009
^ Jacob H. Carruthers, “John Henrik Clarke: the Harlem connection to the founding of Africana Studies”, in Afro-Americans in New York Life and History, Afro-American Historical Association of the Niagara Frontier, Inc., 2006, accessed 25 May 2009
^ a b c Thomas, Jr., Robert McG. (July 20, 1998). “John Henrik Clarke, Black Studies Advocate, Dies at 83″. New York Times. Retrieved January 21, 2009.
^ Robert L. Harris, Jr., “IN MEMORIAM DR. JOHN HENRIK CLARKE, 1915-1998″], The Journal of Negro History, September, 1998, accessed 25 May 2009
^ Eric Kofi Acree, “John Henrik Clarke: Historian, Scholar, and Teacher”, John Henrik Clarke Africana Library, Cornell University, accessed 25 May 2009
^ The Scribner Encyclopedia of American Lives, p. 122, Simon and Schuster, 1998
^ “History of the John Henrik Clarke Africana Library”, reprinted from: Black Caucus of the ALA Newsletter, vol. XXIV, No. 5 (April, 1996), p. 11; Cornell University Library, accessed 20 Jan 2009
^ Molefi Kete Asante (2002). 100 Greatest African Americans: A Biographical Encyclopedia. Amherst, New York. Prometheus Books. ISBN 1-57392-963-8.
[edit]External links

“The John Henrik Clarke Virtual Museum”, National Black United Front Web Site
“In Memory of John Henrik Clarke”, Hunter College, City University of New York
John Henrik Clarke bibliographies from Cornell University
IMDB.com entry on the film John Henrik Clarke: A Great & Mighty Walk

Additional reading

“John Henrik Clarke: His People’s Historian”, Black Collegian
“John Henrik Clarke”, AfricaWithin.com[unreliable source?]
“From SBA to SIA: A Great And Mighty Walk”, AfricaWithin.com
“Portrait of a Liberation Scholar”, AfricaWithin.com
[edit]

Wow. That’s some good cutting and pasting. So where did he get his doctorate from? BA? Associates? Come on, you’re the guy who places such emphasis on elite education. Give me a Leonoard Jeffries, at least!

Sean68 said:
Oh, now you support it. Before, after I pointed out that malcolm x was hypocritical in going to a number of nasty muslim countries in the middle east seeking their support in denouncing the US in the United Nations–without uttering a word about those countries’ own evil practices–you told me malcolm x was an american and therefore what happened in other countries was irrelevent. I understand you’ve probably been busy googling, but isn’t the very essence of “pan-africanism” (read Marcus Garvey–the guy wanted to go back to africa, funny though he never managed to get there) that borders are irrelevent in matters of justice?

That is not what I said. I , like Malcolm X have always been and remain a supporter of Pan Africanism. Visiting Arab countries is no more hypocritical than visiting european countries. You are trying so hard to catch be you are not seeing the big picture in a realistic manner. Malcolm X was an American living in America. He rightfully denounced America for its crimes against humanity. Why should he focus on countries where he does not live? Your argument is ridiculous. He was not an expert on Saudi domestic politics. He rightfully spoke about what he new and that was America,. You can come up with a better argument than this, can’t you?

Sean68 said:
Wow. That’s some good cutting and pasting. So where did he get his doctorate from? BA? Associates? Come on, you’re the guy who places such emphasis on elite education. Give me a Leonoard Jeffries, at least!

You said John Henrik Clarke was a joke. I proved you wrong, so now you attack me for cutting and pasring? Next time you should do your homework before you post. Once again you should at least know a little about what you post about before you put up fase information and you attack people based upon false premises.

armwood said:
That is not what I said. I , like Malcolm X have always been and remain a supporter of Pan Africanism. Visiting Arab countries is no more hypocritical than visiting european countries. You are trying so hard to catch be you are not seeing the big picture in a realistic manner. Malcolm X was an American living in America. He rightfully denounced America for its crimes against humanity. Why should he focus on countries where he does not live? Your argument is ridiculous. He was not an expert on Saudi domestic politics. He rightfully spoke about what he new and that was America,. You can come up with a better argument than this, can’t you?

It’s not hypocritical to denounce only that evil that negatively affects you? By going to those countries and seeking their support (which they withheld, incidentally) in an act of moral condemnation, he was implicitly endorsing their superior morality. Don’t you see?

CosmosDan said:
I think it was just a mistake in who he was was quoting and responding to, but I did tear up a bit.

maybe I was channeling Beck or Bohner for a second. the horror!!

If I misquoted Cosmo i do apologize. The last thing I want to do is attack someone who is not attacking me.

armwood said:
You said John Henrik Clarke was a joke. I proved you wrong, so now you attack me for cutting and pasring? Next time you should do your homework before you post. Once again you should at least know a little about what you post about before you put up fase information and you attack people based upon false premises.

Really, you think links to a bunch of articles published by who knows what by an uncredentialed self-taught academic afro-centrist settles it? What do you think of James Watson’s (Nobel-Prize-winning co-discoverer of the structure of DNA) comments on the native intelligence of black africans? Yet I can paste a list of his accomplishments that would dwarf Clarke’s scribblings. Does that make Watson right about black intelligence?

Okay. Either you’re busy googling or you’re taking a nap. In the meantime, I’d like to ask if you believe that white people commit more acts incest on average than black people. You endorsed that stereotype earlier. Do you stand by it? And if you do, do you have any data to support it?

Sean68 said:
Really, you think links to a bunch of articles published by who knows what by an uncredentialed self-taught academic afro-centrist settles it? What do you think of James Watson’s (Nobel-Prize-winning co-discoverer of the structure of DNA) comments on the native intelligence of black africans? Yet I can paste a list of his accomplishments that would dwarf Clarke’s scribblings. Does that make Watson right about black intelligence?

Why would you equate the two? James Watson’s claims are factually inaccurate. I would like to put my IQ scores up against anyone here on this list. Watson is a racist. John Henrik Clarke is a fact based historian. Watson did not receive the Nobel Prize for his theories on race. Clarke has been lauded for his work in African history. It is settled, whether you like it or not. You talk about Clarke and you have never read any of hi books. You yourself have probably never even been published. You are way above your depth here.

Sean68 said:
Really, you think links to a bunch of articles published by who knows what by an uncredentialed self-taught academic afro-centrist settles it? What do you think of James Watson’s (Nobel-Prize-winning co-discoverer of the structure of DNA) comments on the native intelligence of black africans? Yet I can paste a list of his accomplishments that would dwarf Clarke’s scribblings. Does that make Watson right about black intelligence?

Cornell University is nothing? Hunter College is nothing, OK? What are you talking about? The various awards Clarke received are nothing? What awards have you received? Where have you taught or lectured? Anywhere? End of story!

armwood said:
Why would you equate the two? James Watson’s claims are factually inaccurate. I would like to put my IQ scores up against anyone here on this list. Watson is a racist. John Henrik Clarke is a fact based historian. Watson did not receive the Nobel Prize for his theories on race. Clarke has been lauded for his work in African history. It is settled, whether you like it or not. You talk about Clarke and you have never read any of hi books. You yourself have probably never even been published. You are way above your depth here.

Watson isn’t an authority on human biology? I understand that your college education–like that of most blacks–is very light in math and science and heavy on the easy shit; but Watson is just about the most illustrious scientist alive in matters concerning human biology.

Sean68 said:
Okay. Either you’re busy googling or you’re taking a nap. In the meantime, I’d like to ask if you believe that white people commit more acts incest on average than black people. You endorsed that stereotype earlier. Do you stand by it? And if you do, do you have any data to support it?

Sean, where are you digging up this nonsense from? Incest, I have never mentioned incest on this or any other forum. You are losing it. What is your hang up with sex. You must be falling for some racial stereotypes again that make you feel insecure. It’s funny how advertisers play on your type of insecurity.

Sean68 said:
Watson isn’t an authority on human biology? I understand that your college education–like that of most blacks–is very light in math and science and heavy on the easy shit; but Watson is just about the most illustrious scientist alive in matters concerning human biology.

What is your education level and in what subject? Answer that! What were your SAT scores in math? Answer that are be quiet and crawl into your little corner and suck your thumb.

armwood said:
Cornell University is nothing? Hunter College is nothing, OK? What are you talking about? The various awards Clarke received are nothing? What awards have you received? Where have you taught or lectured? Anywhere? End of story!

I underdtand you want to make this about me, but I’m much smarter than you and won’t allow you to turn that trick. Black academics in the social sciences are notoriously dubious. It’s all ideology masquerading as scholarship. What’s his great contribution? Be specific and give it to me quickly and in your own words or I’ll assume you can’t say.

armwood said:
Sean, where are you digging up this nonsense from? Incest, I have never mentioned incest on this or any other forum. You are losing it. What is your hang up with sex. You must be falling for some racial stereotypes again that make you feel insecure. It’s funny how advertisers play on your type of insecurity.

Answer this after you respond to my previous post; You endorsed a stereotype that asserts that a certain strata of whites engage in incest. The post is up above. Do I need to paste it here, or are you man enough to own it?

I never endorsed such a stereotype. I do not stereotype anyone. Unlike you i have had a broad experience. People are individuals. Race is irrelevant to that fact. You obviously never learned this.

You are making up stuff to duck my questions. You think that Watson is right and whites are superior to blacks. Come on and stop being a coward and put your racist notions to the test. don’t play games with me!

1) What is your education level and in what subject?

2) Answer that! What were your SAT scores in math?

Sean68 said:
Well, I’ve read the Autobiography of Malcolm X a couple of times. I read a book about him by a friend who knew him prior to his prison sentence and conversion to islam (though all I remember is that Malcolm X liked receiving oral sex from transvestites!). I’m also familiar with John Henrik Clarke. The guy’s a joke. Tell me, mr.-I-went-to-a-better-college-than-you (by the way, if Clark was one of your professers, you didn’t go to a better college than I), where did Clarke get his doctorate?

John Henrik Clarke’s doctorate was from the University of Colorado at Denver.

armwood said:
I never endorsed such a stereotype. I do not stereotype anyone. Unlike you i have had a broad experience. People are individuals. Race is irrelevant to that fact. You obviously never learned this.

You are making up stuff to duck my questions. You think that Watson is right and whites are superior to blacks. Come on and stop being a coward and put your racist notions to the test. don’t play games with me!

1) What is your education level and in what subject?

2) Answer that! What were your SAT scores in math?

If anyone gives a shit, note that this fat steve-urkle look alike chose not to answer my challenge regarding Clarke’s contribution to the field of history. Yet, according to fat-Urkle, he’s the greatest historian since Charles Beard!

armwood said:
The ignorant bigotry on this forum is amazing. Do dome of you live in America? Do you live on planet earth? It seems that most people here have never had Muslim friends are worked with Muslims. What kind of jobs do you have? Muslims have been in America since the early 1600s, before most of your ancestors immigrated from Europe. Clearly you do not socialize out of your tiny inbred circle of friends who are all the same. Glen Beck is an idiot. He is a huckster and a fake. He hustles people who are fearful and do not know any better. There are many Muslim professionals in this country, who work and love America.

Here, you accuse a clearly white opponent of inbreeding. Now, of course, you’ll admit that this is hyperbole. But I maintain that it is RACIST hyperbole.

armwood said:
John Henrik Clarke’s doctorate was from the University of Colorado at Denver.

His wikipedia page–cleary written by a admirer–says he didn’t even graduate from HS. No linky, no ticky!

Sean68 said:
If anyone gives a shit, note that this fat steve-urkle look alike chose not to answer my challenge regarding Clarke’s contribution to the field of history. Yet, according to fat-Urkle, he’s the greatest historian since Charles Beard!

Once again you demonstrate your lack of integrity. I pasted a long document outlining Professor clarke’s contributions. I also referred you to the documentary “A Great And Mighty Walk”

You refused to anser my questions after your racist allegations claiming white superiority. This is the third time I have asked you this question. I know you are afraid to answer it. your silence on the topic proves my point. Case closed.

1) What is your education level and in what subject?

2) Answer that! What were your SAT scores in math?

Hmm…..I beginning to suspect you’re the night manager of a jack-in-the-box, armwood! Have you considered serial killing? You do resemble the Kensinton rapist.(black serial rapist/strangler who selects only white victims). Nothing in the media though, of course.

armwood said:
Once again you demonstrate your lack of integrity. I pasted a long document outlining Professor clarke’s contributions. I also referred you to the documentary “A Great And Mighty Walk”

You refused to anser my questions after your racist allegations claiming white superiority. This is the third time I have asked you this question. I know you are afraid to answer it. your silence on the topic proves my point. Case closed.

1) What is your education level and in what subject?

2) Answer that! What were your SAT scores in math?

In the world of sentient adults, fat-urkle, simple cutting and pasting doesn’t, well, cut it. Note, I emphasized CLEARLY that I wanted YOU in YOUR OWN WORDS to explain what was so great about Clarke’s contributions to history. What’s it been? 30 minutes since I issued that challenge?

Sean68 said:
In the world of sentient adults, fat-urkle, simple cutting and pasting doesn’t, well, cut it. Note, I emphasized CLEARLY that I wanted YOU in YOUR OWN WORDS to explain what was so great about Clarke’s contributions to history. What’s it been? 30 minutes since I issued that challenge?

My point–assuming it’s not already obvious to anyone who might be paying attention–is that you are either talking out of your fat-urkle asshole or Clarke’s “contributions’ to the field of afrocentric-american history is, shall we say, rather suspect.

Sean68 said:
His wikipedia page–cleary written by a admirer–says he didn’t even graduate from HS. No linky, no ticky!

How about Cornell University!

Dr. John Henrik Clarke
John Henrik Clarke was born in Union Springs, Alabama on New Year’s Day, 1915. His family came from a long line of sharecroppers.
Clarke noticed that although many bible stories “unfolded in Africa…I saw no African people in the printed and illustrated Sunday school lessons,” he wrote in 1985. “I began to suspect at this early age that someone had distorted the image of my people. My long search for the true history of African people the world over began.”
That search took him to libraries, museums, in Asia, the Caribbean, Europe, Latin America and Africa.
What he found was that the history of black people is worldwide; that “the first light of human consciousness and the world’s first civilizations were in Africa”; that the so called Dark Ages were dark only for Europe and that some African nations at the time were larger than any in Europe; that as Africa sends its children to Europe to study because that is where the best universities are, early Greece once sent its children to Africa to study because that was where the best universities were; and that slavery, although devastating, was neither the beginning nor the end of Black people’s impact on the world.
In 1933 Clarke left the South and went to Harlem. He studied history and world literature at New York University at Columbia University. He was one of the “self-educated intellectuals” who arose in African-American life and he found mentors, such as scholar Arthur Schomburg, from his activism in Harlem. At the age of 78 Clarke earned a doctorate from Pacific Western University in Los Angeles.
Clarke’s findings influenced many Black leaders including Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X.
Achieving public prominence during the years of Black Power, Clarke was an outspoken advocate for black studies, and the study of the African-American experience and the place of Africans in world history. He challenged traditional academic history as an outsider, and helped shift the way African history was studied and taught. Clarke was “a scholar devoted to redressing what he saw as a systematic and racist suppression and distortion of African history by traditional scholars.” When some of the scholarship he championed was dismissed by traditional historians, Clarke accused them of their own biases in promoting Eurocentric views. Although Dr. Clarke had many accomplishments, his greatest accomplishment may be his ability to create a framework for studies of the history of Africa and the people in the diaspora.
In 1985, the year of his retirement, the newest branch of the Cornell University Library- a 60 seat, 9,000 volume facility- was named the “John Henrik Clarke Africana Library.

John Henrik Clarke Africana Library
http://www.library.cornell.edu/africana/

The John Henrik Clarke Africana Library is a special library located within Cornell University’s Africana Studies and Research Center. The library is one of nineteen units of the University Library system, and offers a full range of services. Its collection of [21,100] volumes focuses on the social and political dimensions of the history and culture of peoples of African ancestry. It supports the curriculum of the Africana Studies and Research Center and sustained, independent study. Included here are basic books, complete collections of works of important writers, and highly selective research materials that complement the collections housed in Cornell University’s research libraries. The Africana Library’s documentation collection contains valuable primary source materials, including copies of rare monographs, manuscripts, newspapers, and journal publications on microfilm and microfiche. Those resources focus on especially important material on the American civil rights and Black Power movements.

The Africana Center was founded in 1969 following black student protests on the Cornell Campus. One notable event involved black students depositing hundreds of books at the undergraduate library circulation desk and denouncing them as irrelevant to their experiences. Historically, the faculty of the Africana Studies and Research Center has always had a strong commitment towards maintaining its own library. The Africana Center included a library when it was first established. Later, after its building was destroyed by arsonists (April 1, 1970), it garnered funds from the university and local community to replace materials lost from its library collection. Once it relocated to its present site the library was prominently established near the building’s entrance.

In the late 1970s there was heated debate on campus about relocating the Africana Center once more. Because it’s location was some distance away from central campus (approximately 20 minutes walking time) and many of its courses were taught at the Center, some considered the Africana Studies program too segregated. A number of more central locations were proposed for relocation. In the end these were rejected because they entailed substantial reductions in space. Ultimately, the Center’s fledgling library benefited from this consequence. A reduction in space would have affected collection size and overall growth.

During 1984-85 the Africana Center and University Library reached an agreement to transfer the library administratively to the University Library. Faculty of the Africana Studies & Research Center named the library in honor of Dr. John Henrik Clarke during the summer of 1985. As a distinguished historian, Dr. Clarke was instrumental in establishing the Africana Center’s curriculum in the 1970s and taught courses in black history at Cornell. Several years later, in 1990, the Africana Center and University Library collaborated to raise $50,000 to renovate the library’s space and enhance the overall level of service. The John Henrik Clarke Africana Library now occupies most of the lower level of the Africana Center’s three-story building. A third of this space is shared with a graduate student lounge and a computer lab. All of the library’s holdings are included in the University Library’s online catalog, and the Africana Library itself houses several online catalog terminals, a circulation terminal, CD-ROM and various audio-visual equipment, and has access to numerous locally networked bibliographic databases.*

*Note: The Africana Library has a new location which opened its doors in January 2005. For information on this location, visit: http://www.library.cornell.edu/africana/library.html.

armwood said:
How about Cornell University!

Dr. John Henrik Clarke
John Henrik Clarke was born in Union Springs, Alabama on New Year’s Day, 1915. His family came from a long line of sharecroppers.
Clarke noticed that although many bible stories “unfolded in Africa…I saw no African people in the printed and illustrated Sunday school lessons,” he wrote in 1985. “I began to suspect at this early age that someone had distorted the image of my people. My long search for the true history of African people the world over began.”
That search took him to libraries, museums, in Asia, the Caribbean, Europe, Latin America and Africa.
What he found was that the history of black people is worldwide; that “the first light of human consciousness and the world’s first civilizations were in Africa”; that the so called Dark Ages were dark only for Europe and that some African nations at the time were larger than any in Europe; that as Africa sends its children to Europe to study because that is where the best universities are, early Greece once sent its children to Africa to study because that was where the best universities were; and that slavery, although devastating, was neither the beginning nor the end of Black people’s impact on the world.
In 1933 Clarke left the South and went to Harlem. He studied history and world literature at New York University at Columbia University. He was one of the “self-educated intellectuals” who arose in African-American life and he found mentors, such as scholar Arthur Schomburg, from his activism in Harlem. At the age of 78 Clarke earned a doctorate from Pacific Western University in Los Angeles.
Clarke’s findings influenced many Black leaders including Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X.
Achieving public prominence during the years of Black Power, Clarke was an outspoken advocate for black studies, and the study of the African-American experience and the place of Africans in world history. He challenged traditional academic history as an outsider, and helped shift the way African history was studied and taught. Clarke was “a scholar devoted to redressing what he saw as a systematic and racist suppression and distortion of African history by traditional scholars.” When some of the scholarship he championed was dismissed by traditional historians, Clarke accused them of their own biases in promoting Eurocentric views. Although Dr. Clarke had many accomplishments, his greatest accomplishment may be his ability to create a framework for studies of the history of Africa and the people in the diaspora.
In 1985, the year of his retirement, the newest branch of the Cornell University Library- a 60 seat, 9,000 volume facility- was named the “John Henrik Clarke Africana Library.

John Henrik Clarke Africana Library
http://www.library.cornell.edu/africana/

The John Henrik Clarke Africana Library is a special library located within Cornell University’s Africana Studies and Research Center. The library is one of nineteen units of the University Library system, and offers a full range of services. Its collection of [21,100] volumes focuses on the social and political dimensions of the history and culture of peoples of African ancestry. It supports the curriculum of the Africana Studies and Research Center and sustained, independent study. Included here are basic books, complete collections of works of important writers, and highly selective research materials that complement the collections housed in Cornell University’s research libraries. The Africana Library’s documentation collection contains valuable primary source materials, including copies of rare monographs, manuscripts, newspapers, and journal publications on microfilm and microfiche. Those resources focus on especially important material on the American civil rights and Black Power movements.

The Africana Center was founded in 1969 following black student protests on the Cornell Campus. One notable event involved black students depositing hundreds of books at the undergraduate library circulation desk and denouncing them as irrelevant to their experiences. Historically, the faculty of the Africana Studies and Research Center has always had a strong commitment towards maintaining its own library. The Africana Center included a library when it was first established. Later, after its building was destroyed by arsonists (April 1, 1970), it garnered funds from the university and local community to replace materials lost from its library collection. Once it relocated to its present site the library was prominently established near the building’s entrance.

In the late 1970s there was heated debate on campus about relocating the Africana Center once more. Because it’s location was some distance away from central campus (approximately 20 minutes walking time) and many of its courses were taught at the Center, some considered the Africana Studies program too segregated. A number of more central locations were proposed for relocation. In the end these were rejected because they entailed substantial reductions in space. Ultimately, the Center’s fledgling library benefited from this consequence. A reduction in space would have affected collection size and overall growth.

During 1984-85 the Africana Center and University Library reached an agreement to transfer the library administratively to the University Library. Faculty of the Africana Studies & Research Center named the library in honor of Dr. John Henrik Clarke during the summer of 1985. As a distinguished historian, Dr. Clarke was instrumental in establishing the Africana Center’s curriculum in the 1970s and taught courses in black history at Cornell. Several years later, in 1990, the Africana Center and University Library collaborated to raise $50,000 to renovate the library’s space and enhance the overall level of service. The John Henrik Clarke Africana Library now occupies most of the lower level of the Africana Center’s three-story building. A third of this space is shared with a graduate student lounge and a computer lab. All of the library’s holdings are included in the University Library’s online catalog, and the Africana Library itself houses several online catalog terminals, a circulation terminal, CD-ROM and various audio-visual equipment, and has access to numerous locally networked bibliographic databases.*

*Note: The Africana Library has a new location which opened its doors in January 2005. For information on this location, visit: http://www.library.cornell.edu/africana/library.html.

Please stop cutting and pasting massive amounts of bullshit. I asked you for a link to prove he earned a PhD. I also asked you to explain–IN YOUR OWN WORDS–what was so significant about this huckster’s scholarly contributions.

Also, are you going to accept that you engaged in classist and racist stereotyping?

Sean68 said:
Also, are you going to accept that you engaged in classist and racist stereotyping?

Come on, I;m waiting. I accept that you can’t argue persuasively (in your own words) that Clarke was anything other than just another bogus afro-centric “scholar,” but I want you to admit to racist stereotyping. Otherwise, an accusation that some one practices “inbreeding” is a sort-of odd out-of-the-blue insult.

Sean68 said:
Come on, I;m waiting. I accept that you can’t argue persuasively (in your own words) that Clarke was anything other than just another bogus afro-centric “scholar,” but I want you to admit to racist stereotyping. Otherwise, an accusation that some one practices “inbreeding” is a sort-of odd out-of-the-blue insult.

I think you need the help, so I’ll try to draw a useful analogy. It would be akin to me saying, “hey, you–fat urkle–why don’t you just go back to practicing cannabilism with your black friends!”

Sean68 said:
Also, are you going to accept that you engaged in classist and racist stereotyping?

I have made you look like a fool and you still refuse to answer the questions you promised to answer.

Once again you demonstrate your lack of integrity. I pasted a long document outlining Professor Clarke’s contributions. I also referred you to the documentary “A Great And Mighty Walk” Now you claim you asked about his doctorate. I told you he received his doctorate from the University of colorado at Denver. You have been whooped. Take your whooping, go in the corner and suck your thumb. Next time do not not to that you know something bout a topic you know nothing about. You may get embarrassed again.

You refused to answer my questions after your racist allegations claiming white superiority. This is the third time I have asked you this question. I know you are afraid to answer it. your silence on the topic proves my point. Case closed.

1) What is your education level and in what subject?

2) Answer that! What were your SAT scores in math?

armwood said:
I have made you look like a fool and you still refuse to answer the questions you promised to answer.

Once again you demonstrate your lack of integrity. I pasted a long document outlining Professor Clarke’s contributions. I also referred you to the documentary “A Great And Mighty Walk” Now you claim you asked about his doctorate. I told you he received his doctorate from the University of colorado at Denver. You have been whooped. Take your whooping, go in the corner and suck your thumb. Next time do not not to that you know something bout a topic you know nothing about. You may get embarrassed again.

You refused to answer my questions after your racist allegations claiming white superiority. This is the third time I have asked you this question. I know you are afraid to answer it. your silence on the topic proves my point. Case closed.

1) What is your education level and in what subject?

2) Answer that! What were your SAT scores in math?

LOL. Okay. I have a bachelor’s degree in English from Berkeley. I graduated summa cum laude. And my math SAT’s were 800. Happy now? Now about that link to “Dr” Clarke’s PhD. I haven’t been able to confirm that. Could you provide that link?

Further information From Hunter College on Dr. John Henrik Clarke

http://www.hunter.cuny.edu/afprl/dr.-john-henrik-clarke

Sean68 said:
LOL. Okay. I have a bachelor’s degree in English from Berkeley. I graduated summa cum laude. And my math SAT’s were 800. Happy now? Now about that link to “Dr” Clarke’s PhD. I haven’t been able to confirm that. Could you provide that link?

Only a B.A.? Provide documentation of your degree and your math SAT score! You wanted Dr. Clarke’s proof which I provided from Cornell and Hunter. where’s your proof?

Perhaps I missed it–and this is not to say that the University of Denver is not one of this nation’s top institutions of higher learning–but I couldn’t find anything about his PhD. Perhaps you erred and sent me the wrong link.

armwood said:
Only a B.A.? Provide documentation of your degree and your math SAT score! You wanted Dr. Clarke’s proof which I provided from Cornell and Hunter. where’s your proof?

Yep. Only a BA. But then I wasn’t the one hyping the absolute sovereignty of academic credentials, which you did when it suited your purposes.

Do you understand my point? I know that logic is no longer a required course in community college, but you can’t say, “I’m smarter than you because I went [supposedly] to XYZ U and you didn’t!” and then in the next breath cite some credentialess scholar as an authority on XYZ.

Also, you want to address that point about incest?

In Memoriam Dr. John Henrik Clarke, 1915-1998

Journal article by Robert L. Jr. Harris; The Journal of Negro History, Vol. 83, 1998

http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst?docId=5001415083

Journal Article Excerpt See below…

IN MEMORIAM DR. JOHN HENRIK CLARKE, 1915-1998.

by Robert L. Jr. Harris
Dr. John Henrik Clarke, who in 1995 received the Association for the Study of Afro-American Life and History’s highest award, the Carter G. Woodson Medallion, was fond of saying that “History is not everything, but it is a starting point. History is a clock that people use to tell their time of day. It is a compass they use to find themselves on the map of human geography. It tells them where they are, but more importantly, what they must be.” Dr. Clarke, who joined the ancestors on July 16, 1998, devoted himself to placing people of African ancestry “on the map of human geography.”
Born January 1, 1915 in Union Springs, Alabama, Dr. Clarke grew up in a poor but nurturing sharecropping family. He developed an early curiosity, especially from biblical stories, about the place of black people in world history. Although he dropped out of school in the eighth grade, that curiosity took him to Harlem, where he joined the Harlem History Club and the Harlem Writers Guild. In the Harlem History Club, he met Arthur A. Schomburg, Willis N. Higgins, and John G. Jackson, who became his mentors in reclaiming the African past.
Known and admired as an historian, Dr. Clarke began his career as a writer. His first published work was a collection of poetry. He wrote more than fifty short stories, the most famous being “The Boy Who Painted Christ Black.” A raconteur in the black folk tradition, he honed his skills as a writer for the Pittsburgh Courier and later as associate editor of Freedomways.
Through his association with members of the Harlem History Club as well as Josef ben Jochannan, William Leo Hansberry, Richard B. Moore, and J.A. Rogers, Dr. Clarke learned much about black history. He came from a tradition that researched, wrote, and taught black history outside the academy. It was only with the rise of Black Studies in the late 1960s that Dr. Clarke entered the academy as a Visiting Professor in the Africana Studies and Research Center at Cornell University and as a Professor in the Black and Puerto Rican Studies Department at Hunter College in New York City, from which he retired in 1985 as the Thomas C. Hunter Distinguished Professor Emeritus.
Dr. Clarke, who at age 78 received a doctorate from Pacific Western University as well as many honorary degrees, had a profound influence on scholars and statesmen worldwide. He was a mentor and friend to Malcolm X, Kwame Nkrumah, and Eduardo Mondlane, among others. The author and editor of some two dozen books, Dr. Clarke was a font of knowledge, a voracious reader with a prodigious memory. He was a veritable walking library, who generously shared his wisdom, especially in the corridors at meetings of national and international organizations. Many of us are proud to say that we attended the “University” of Dr. John Henrik Clarke, as every encounter with him was a lesson on the importance of restoring our past.
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, author of Black Profiles in Courage, acknowledges that Dr. Clarke inspired his interest in black history as a youngster in the Harlem Youth Action Project. The actor, Wesley Snipes, recently produced and narrated a documentary “John Henrik Clarke: A Great and Mighty Walk” in appreciation for Dr. Clarke’s influence on his life. The 1968 CBS television series “Black Heritage: The History of Afro-Americans” that Dr. Clarke coordinated helped to generate interest in African American history and to take it to a broader audience. Whether in his books, in the classroom, on the podium, or in meeting corridors, Dr. John Henrik Clarke was and remains a “masterful teacher.”
Africana Studies and Research Center
Cornell University

Was that written by wesley snipes? Again, you must have PASTED the wrong shit because that ALSO doesn’t mention anytihng about an EARNED PhD from the U of Denver. I thought you knew about this guy. Turns out you don’t even know where he went to college.

Sean68 said:
Yep. Only a BA. But then I wasn’t the one hyping the absolute sovereignty of academic credentials, which you did when it suited your purposes.

Do you understand my point? I know that logic is no longer a required course in community college, but you can’t say, “I’m smarter than you because I went [supposedly] to XYZ U and you didn’t!” and then in the next breath cite some credentialess scholar as an authority on XYZ.

Also, you want to address that point about incest?

I did not go to a community college. It’s funny though mentioning Berkeley I accepted and the turned down Bolt Hall for my J.D studies. There is nothing wrong with community colleges. They preform a necessary function in society. The academic rigors of a top tier doctoral and/or professional school program hone the mind on a level that no undergraduate program comes anywhere close to doing. The gap between the two is huge. Logically thinking, understanding the nature of an argument is a learned skill. You spoke earlier about mathematics. Mathematics is a disciple. It takes hard work and rigorous practice but I have seen math majors with a 4.0 undergraduate GPA fail out of rigorous J.D. programs. I have taught many graduate students with math back, science and medical grounds in South Korea, a country with the highest ranked science students in the world who were totally unable to construct a logical argument on any subject out of their discipline. My point is math is one discipline. One in which I did extremely well in school but had no real interest in. It is not and in all in itself. In fact it is easier than fields of study where the answer is maybe, depending on a whole series of variables which you must be able to articulate. Each advanced discipline has its own rigor.

armwood said:
I did not go to a community college. It’s funny though mentioning Berkeley I accepted and the turned down Bolt Hall for my J.D studies. There is nothing wrong with community colleges. They preform a necessary function in society. The academic rigors of a top tier doctoral and/or professional school program hone the mind on a level that no undergraduate program comes anywhere close to doing. The gap between the two is huge. Logically thinking, understanding the nature of an argument is a learned skill. You spoke earlier about mathematics. Mathematics is a disciple. It takes hard work and rigorous practice but I have seen math majors with a 4.0 undergraduate GPA fail out of rigorous J.D. programs. I have taught many graduate students with math back, science and medical grounds in South Korea, a country with the highest ranked science students in the world who were totally unable to construct a logical argument on any subject out of their discipline. My point is math is one discipline. One in which I did extremely well in school but had no real interest in. It is not and in all in itself. In fact it is easier than fields of study where the answer is maybe, depending on a whole series of variables which you must be able to articulate. Each advanced discipline has its own rigor.

The truth of the matter is that I pity you.

armwood said:
I did not go to a community college. It’s funny though mentioning Berkeley I accepted and the turned down Bolt Hall for my J.D studies. There is nothing wrong with community colleges. They preform a necessary function in society. The academic rigors of a top tier doctoral and/or professional school program hone the mind on a level that no undergraduate program comes anywhere close to doing. The gap between the two is huge. Logically thinking, understanding the nature of an argument is a learned skill. You spoke earlier about mathematics. Mathematics is a disciple. It takes hard work and rigorous practice but I have seen math majors with a 4.0 undergraduate GPA fail out of rigorous J.D. programs. I have taught many graduate students with math back, science and medical grounds in South Korea, a country with the highest ranked science students in the world who were totally unable to construct a logical argument on any subject out of their discipline. My point is math is one discipline. One in which I did extremely well in school but had no real interest in. It is not and in all in itself. In fact it is easier than fields of study where the answer is maybe, depending on a whole series of variables which you must be able to articulate. Each advanced discipline has its own rigor.

I did not just know about this guy. I knew him very well during the early seventies. I saw and talked to him on a daily basis. I argued with him, i visited his home. His first PHD was from the University of Colorado at Denver. I know this information first had. It is not something I read somewhere. He received it around 1967-1968.

Sean68 said:
The truth of the matter is that I pity you.

You got your butt whooped by me and you pity me. first you denied Clarke was important. Then you denied he had a PHD. Now you find out he has many PHDs. Then you say you pity me. You do not know how to accept defeat gracefully. Have some class. My last post was an attempt to make peace with you through a connection with Berkeley. you choose to attack once again. I have had experiences that are beyond your imagination. You really don’t get it. I am actually being very gentle with you.

armwood said:
I did not just know about this guy. I knew him very well during the early seventies. I saw and talked to him on a daily basis. I argued with him, i visited his home. His first PHD was from the University of Colorado at Denver. I know this information first had. It is not something I read somewhere. He received it around 1967-1968.

You must admit that it is indeed strange that the only source I can find for this alleged credential is you (semi-anonymous internet pseudo-intellectual); and that every other source totally contradicts you.

armwood said:
You got your butt whooped by me and you pity me. first you denied Clarke was important. Then you denied he had a PHD. Now you find out he has many PHDs. Then you say you pity me. You do not know how to accept defeat gracefully. Have some class. My last post was an attempt to make peace with you through a connection with Berkeley. you choose to attack once again. I have had experiences that are beyond your imagination. You really don’t get it. I am actually being very gentle with you.

Come on, dude. You didn’t even spell Boalt Hall right.

This has been fun. But if you’ll excuse me, I have to go slaughter a hog and have sex with one of my cousins (and not necessarily in that order!).

Sean68 said:
You must admit that it is indeed strange that the only source I can find for this alleged credential is you (semi-anonymous internet pseudo-intellectual); and that every other source totally contradicts you.

Both Cornell University and Hunter College acknowledge John Henrik Clarke’s doctorate. By the way I have been paid for my so called “pseudo-intellectual” skills for over thirty years. You cannot back off the insult game. What is it with you? do you have some emotional issues or is just that you have a crass personality. I tried to be gracious and nice to you have kicking your butt but you will not stop.

Sean68 Since you are not an academic and you do not trust original sources here is a backup to my firsh hand account you question.

NANA AKWASI AGYEMAN (aka J.H.Clarke)
John Henrik Clarke

“The awards that impress him most were the first honorary degree he received from the University of Denver, Doctor of Letters, in 1970, and the two honors bestowed on him in 1988. He was enstolled twice that year. On February 28th he was enstooled as, Nana Akwasi Agyeman.

Akwasi meaning – Born on Sunday. Agyeman meaning – Man who saved his people.

On September 30th, the Ga people in the United States enstooled him as Nii Okai Koi 1st.”*

*Dr. John Henrik Clarke: HIS LIFE, HIS WORDS, HIS WORKS, pg. 13, by Anna Swansto

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/baba-ahmed-speaks/5013-nana-akwasi-agyeman-aka-j-h-clarke.html

Sean68 said:
From what I can tell, the only requirement for a graduate degree in education is a pulse.

Fact: Correct, Print yourself an armwood degree or two!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Correct, Print yourself an armwood degree or two!

Many insecure people put down or minimize what they do not have the skill or drive to obtain .

Just4thefax said:
“Fact: Correct, Print yourself an armwood degree or two!”

armwood says:
“Many insecure people put down or minimize what they do not have the skill or drive to obtain .”

Armwood, you’re dealing with a guy here who doesn’t know what a fact is. He doesn’t have the IQ to be accepted at a university. He’s a moronic troll and not worth your time or energy addressing.

Keep up the fight.

armwood said:
Sean68 Since you are not an academic and you do not trust original sources here is a backup to my firsh hand account you question.

NANA AKWASI AGYEMAN (aka J.H.Clarke)
John Henrik Clarke

“The awards that impress him most were the first honorary degree he received from the University of Denver, Doctor of Letters, in 1970, and the two honors bestowed on him in 1988. He was enstolled twice that year. On February 28th he was enstooled as, Nana Akwasi Agyeman.

Akwasi meaning – Born on Sunday. Agyeman meaning – Man who saved his people.

On September 30th, the Ga people in the United States enstooled him as Nii Okai Koi 1st.”*

*Dr. John Henrik Clarke: HIS LIFE, HIS WORDS, HIS WORKS, pg. 13, by Anna Swansto

http://www.assatashakur.org/forum/baba-ahmed-speaks/5013-nana-akwasi-agyeman-aka-j-h-clarke.html

As I suspected and correctly–not to mention laboriously–explained above, “Dr” Clarke is not really a dr. He did not earn a PhD. The doctorate from U of Denver Armwood assured me Clarke had earned was in fact an HONORARY degree. And not even from a very good school.

GlennBeckReview said:
Just4thefax said:
“Fact: Correct, Print yourself an armwood degree or two!”

armwood says:
“Many insecure people put down or minimize what they do not have the skill or drive to obtain .”

Armwood, you’re dealing with a guy here who doesn’t know what a fact is. He doesn’t have the IQ to be accepted at a university. He’s a moronic troll and not worth your time or energy addressing.

Keep up the fight

Let me ask you, if you followed the above exchange between me and armwood, wouldn’t you agree he was arguing that john hendrik clarke had a real PhD? Yet in his own post, he admits it was an honorary degree. We were arguing academic credentials and I made it clear what my position was. What are your thoughts?

I’ll take Glenn Becks figures over Fareed’s in a nanno second. IMO, every Muslim who bows down to Sharia Law is a TERRORIST. Just ask their daughter’s who can be KILLED by their fathers or brothers if they do anything to embarrass the family. Stick that in your Holy Koran, Fareed!

Sean68 said:
As I suspected and correctly–not to mention laboriously–explained above, “Dr” Clarke is not really a dr. He did not earn a PhD. The doctorate from U of Denver Armwood assured me Clarke had earned was in fact an HONORARY degree. And not even from a very good school.

1) An honorary doctorate is a doctorate. You obviously know little about one. You do not even have one.

2) If you bothered to read the material I posted you would see that Dr. Clarke earned a doctorate “Dr. Clarke, who at age 78 received a doctorate from Pacific Western University as well as many honorary degrees, ” Can you even read?

2) I can see why you do not have more than a B.A. plus you have integrity issues. You repeatedly lie.

Pacific Western? It’s an unaccredited diploma mill: B.A. [$75] M.A. [$150] PhD [$275] Cash only,

armwood said:
1) An honorary doctorate is a doctorate..

Would you let someone with an honorary degree perform surgery on you? You might as well let “Dr.” Maya Angelou give you a liver transplant.

Sean68 said:
Would you let someone with an honorary degree perform surgery on you? You might as well let “Dr.” Maya Angelou give you a liver transplant.

He has been honored by Cornell University with a library there being name after him. As I said earlier. you know nothing about higher education. By your own admission you only have a B.A., a minium level of university education. You have never taught a lectured at a university. I have. you are clueless. You have lied. Your butt has been whooped. Why don’t you go to graduate school and get an education. I forgot, that would entail some work and you are to lazy to even read posts before you respond to them. You are the most intellectually inept poster I have seen on this site and that is saying a lot. You have claimed to know information that you are totally unfamiliar with. You claimed that Dr. Clarke did not have a doctorate when he has many. Then you put down the school he received a doctorate from. You are pathetic.

Sean68 said:
Would you let someone with an honorary degree perform surgery on you? You might as well let “Dr.” Maya Angelou give you a liver transplant.

Your racially tinged attacks bely your inferiority complex. Obviously you do not know that even with an M.D. you canot practice medicine until you have passed your medical boards. A PHD is a totally different degree. Your ignorance is appalling, your bigotry is disgusting. Do you still want to claim that white people are intellectually superior to blacks. This is one black person who has exposed you to be an intellectual midget, as well as a liar and someone who is to lazy to read a post before he tries to rebut it.

I believe it was Wittgenstein who first used the phrase “whooped your butt” in one of his letters to Bertrand Russell after a particularly tendentious disagreement over the meaning of Zeno’s second paradox. Wittgenstein’s glittering rhetorical genius left even the brilliant Russell defenseless; as, alas, finally, am I. P.S. Look up the difference between: to, too, and two. You confused the former two at least twice.

Sean68 said:
I believe it was Wittgenstein who first used the phrase “whooped your butt” in one of his letters to Bertrand Russell after a particularly tendentious disagreement over the meaning of Zeno’s second paradox. Wittgenstein’s glittering rhetorical genius left even the brilliant Russell defenseless; as, alas, finally, am I. P.S. Look up the difference between: to, too, and two. You confused the former two at least twice.

It’s not confusing its a lack of typing skills. They did not offer keyboard classes in academic high schools and universities generally when I was in school.

armwood said:
It’s not confusing its a lack of typing skills. They did not offer keyboard classes in academic high schools and universities generally when I was in school.

Carelessness in all matters appears to be your trademark.