You mean the (D) are willing to shut down the Government and not pay the troops because of plan parenthood ?
Oh my ! How did the Country ever make it all those years without it ? They don’t even give Mammograms .
Killing babies , passing out pills and condoms is more important then our troops . Got it !

Lots of people think that funding PP is morally reprehensible. Congressman Graves likely comes from a district which is more anti-abortion than pro-abortion, as he was elected as a Republican, and so it would be no surprise that he is, as a lawmaker, opposed to funding PP, speaking for his constituents if not for himself. Either O’Donnell realizes this and is simply grandstanding, or he’s unfit for his job.

Larry O is a joke…a really bad joke. He is a moron who does nothing but shout down guests and call people names. Soooooo very 3rd grade.

What’s larry gonna do without Beck? That was his whole show. The guy is an jackass if you ask me.

1. Pass a bill that will help save the country from financial ruin, or
2. Let the government shut down in order to save the funding to Planed Parenthood while effectively leaving the military high and dry.

Only to a Dem is this considered a hard choice.

To the Dems in the house and senate.
Just pass the damn bill Ryan made and let the military get there money.

ps. And stop scaring your puppets by saying the bill will kill grandma and grandpa!, You evil lying pigs.

Larry does get yelly, doesn’t he?

The Congressman got the best of the Socialist!

Try again, Frances!

It is very important to identify Lawrence as a Socialist. People need to know that Lawrence has an abnormal belief system, otherwise his views might be considered more useful than they really are.

One way to do it is to say “Socialist Lawrence O’Donnell” when writing his name.

Pablo said:
Larry does get yelly, doesn’t he?

CUT HIS MIC!

juan said:
The Congressman got the best of the Socialist!

Try again, Frances!

The Socialist got the best of the idiot.

Shut the hell up you baby hating Socialist. Enroll in all the Anger Management classes you can, Lawrence, I see where once again (always) Bill O’Reilly has 3 X’s the viewers you have and that is on a bad day for him. On a good day the figure is 3.5 – 5 X’s your viewership, Ms. O’Donnell. Larry, you are acting like Chrissy Matthews…both of you must have a lot of pressure on you to start performing. Word on the street is Comcast is on the verge of making BIG changes at LSDnbc. The sooner the better!

Another ObamaVision employee that must be shuned by ” real ” American people as the pariah he is.

Wow, a WHOLE bunch of bitter, angry right-wing wackos rambling here on the Mediaite comments board tonight! Looks like Lawrence O. got the best of you people :-) I mean, you people are SO easy to drive crazy. All anyone has to do is tell the truth and you right-wingers go ballistic! When faced with the cold, hard, unmerciful truth, all you people can do is throw insults, make threats, and take hissy fits! And the Republicans are supposed to be grown-ups? Leaders? Mature and responsible? Ha! The only place you folks deserve to be is at the kiddies table. Or better yet, sent to your rooms for a time out.

Still amazes me why the MSM still tries to point at Fox news as being unprofessional when all you need to do is watch MSNBC each night and watch Odonnel, Matthews or Schultz just spit and yell against any republican on. I would have added Maddow but she only has a republican on once a month (aka Olbermann like) that she agrees with…

namseer said:
Wow, a WHOLE bunch of bitter, angry right-wing wackos rambling here on the Mediaite comments board tonight! Looks like Lawrence O. got the best of you people :-) I mean, you people are SO easy to drive crazy. All anyone has to do is tell the truth and you right-wingers go ballistic! When faced with the cold, hard, unmerciful truth, all you people can do is throw insults, make threats, and take hissy fits! And the Republicans are supposed to be grown-ups? Leaders? Mature and responsible? Ha! The only place you folks deserve to be is at the kiddies table. Or better yet, sent to your rooms for a time out.

Does your shrine to Larry O include live chickens or real blood or anything…does it?

Krazy Larry’s Kangaroo Kourt!

Namseer, why even bother with these numbskulls?

If you think it’s just about Planned Parenthood, then why not drop that from the bill. No, that is just the cherry on top of Ryan’s steaming pile of excrement.

If the Righties don’t want a government shut down why not leave plan parenthood off the bill? I know they don’t care for women’s health. Soon they will go after Medicare because they don’t care about senior’s health either. Those people don’t have Koch type money. It’s all about the coin. Where is the compassion in compassionate conservative?

These folks read the constitution, yet they don’t understand it. This is funny, looks like they are becoming the tyrants that they despise.

kvon said:
The Socialist got the best of the idiot.

Were you there ?

O’Donnell is Loud & Proud to be the way he is. He does it his way, sometimes even along the side of a highway.

He is a key player, a mover & shaker if you will in the ObamaVision winning of the future.

Barack must be so proud himself of what he has created in America…..so very proud.

Again, O’Donnell has the look and demeanor of a spouse-beater, a child-beater. Not saying he is, mind you, which happily shields me from any recriminations. I’m sure others have the same opinion of O’Donnell.

Being a communist Leftist media hack and penultimate Obamo breast-feeder clearly has taken its toll on this amoeba-like class of humans. They really do deserve another couple years of this ‘sentence.’

Yoda002 said:
If the Righties don’t want a government shut down why not leave plan parenthood off the bill? I know they don’t care for women’s health. Soon they will go after Medicare because they don’t care about senior’s health either. Those people don’t have Koch type money. It’s all about the coin. Where is the compassion in compassionate conservative?

1) Planned Parenthood was started in order to get rid of Blacks, “undesireables”, “imbeciles”, etc.
2) This thinking still permeates the liberals. What did Ruth Bader Ginsberg say about Roe v Wade: Answer: “Frankly, I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”? Yes, that was 2009!
3) Here’s Nancy Pelosi talking about how “Family Planning” saves money: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZWn1eRzvyw

It’s the liberals who hate people, especially minorities.

ChrisNH said:
Again, O’Donnell has the look and demeanor of a spouse-beater, a child-beater. Not saying he is, mind you, which happily shields me from any recriminations. I’m sure others have the same opinion of O’Donnell.

Being a communist Leftist media hack and penultimate Obamo breast-feeder clearly has taken its toll on this amoeba-like class of humans. They really do deserve another couple years of this ’sentence.’

O’Donnell has an extensive amount of “Liberal Courage”. He’s smart, but since he’s a Liberal/Socialist, he’s wrong. BTW, “Liberal Courage” is knowingly doing the wrong thing. It takes a certain courage to keep doing the wrong thing. Socialist Larry is smart enough to know it so yes, it must be taking its toll on him.

(His shrink must need to talk to someone too.)

With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood?

With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood?

Why should tax dollars be used to fund abortions? or in other words – why should people who are morally and passionately, diametrically opposed to killing babies be forced to fund the killing of babies?

sarainitaly said:
Why should tax dollars be used to fund abortions? or in other words – why should people who are morally and passionately, diametrically opposed to killing babies be forced to fund the killing of babies?

Educate yourself. There are no public dollars that go for abortion in this country. It’s the law. They can’t. Cutting off funding for Planned Parenthood will leave millions of women without services for pap smears, breast exams, birth control and treatment for STDs. 54% of the women in America have used Planned Parenthood at some time in their lifetime and many women have no where else to obtain these services. And they serve low income woman who would not be able to receive these services with them. If women lose access to good birth control then pregnancies will increase which means abortions will increase. And I can’t think of anyone who wants that to happen. This rider will cut off many health services to women and will increase rather than decrease abortions.

ellie said:
Cutting off funding for Planned Parenthood will leave millions of women without services for pap smears, breast exams, birth control and treatment for STDs.

I thought Obamacare took care of all that. What happened? Were we lied to?

Sheeeeeit said:
If you think it’s just about Planned Parenthood, then why not drop that from the bill. No, that is just the cherry on top of Ryan’s steaming pile of excrement.

This isn’t Ryan’s bill, genius. He’s addressing the 2012 budget. This is the 2011 budget Pelosi and friends declined to write.

namseer said:
Wow, a WHOLE bunch of bitter, angry right-wing wackos rambling here on the Mediaite comments board tonight! Looks like Lawrence O. got the best of you people :-)

Are you kidding? I’m positively giddy. The sun is shining and the whole world looks like Wisconsin. :-)

sarainitaly said:
With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood?

With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood?

Why should tax dollars be used to fund abortions? or in other words – why should people who are morally and passionately, diametrically opposed to killing babies be forced to fund the killing of babies?

This is hypocritical! for someone who is enjoying the Socialist healthcare in Europe to be lecturing people about cutting Plan Parenthood is just funny (in a sad way). Do you feel guilty for taking advantage of healthcare that has a socialistic and fascists background?

It is ever so unseemly for Mr. O’Donnell to take out his frustrations over his dismal ratings on an innocent Congressman.

sarainitaly said:
With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood? With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood? Why should tax dollars be used to fund abortions? or in other words – why should people who are morally and passionately, diametrically opposed to killing babies be forced to fund the killing of babies?

The money doesn’t fund abortions. The Hyde amendment forbids that. The money funds women’s health centers that provide low cost mamograms and other health services to women.

O’DONNELL POWER

totally awesome

Absolutely OWNED that teabagger

Bill Huggins said:
O’DONNELL POWER

totally awesome

Absolutely OWNED that teabagger

I have noticed that all your posts seem to be “LOL AWESOME _____ OWNED that teabagger!” Are you a bot, or just a dumbass?

Pablo said:
I thought Obamacare took care of all that. What happened? Were we lied to?

Healthcare reform only addressed Health insurance issues. Planned Parenthood is a healthcare provider which provides low cost healthcare services for women. But you were lied to about Healthcare reform, by FOX, by Rush, etc.

sarainitaly said:
With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood?

With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood?

Why should tax dollars be used to fund abortions? or in other words – why should people who are morally and passionately, diametrically opposed to killing babies be forced to fund the killing of babies?

I have to say you comment is “some kind of stupid”. Not a cent of federal funds to Planned Parenthood goes for abortions, not a cent. Hasn’t for three or four decades. This little thing called the Hyde Amendment. Planned Parenthood has been scrupulous about this. What you’re advocating is curtailing the largest single supplier of pre-natal care services in women’s health services in America. I really doubt you’re that mean-spirited. Michelle-in-Utah, yes. You, no. Looks like you need a Googling refresher.

Great job, Larry. You exposed Graves for a talking points megaphone and nothing more.

Alz said:
1) Planned Parenthood was started in order to get rid of Blacks, “undesireables”, “imbeciles”, etc.2) This thinking still permeates the liberals. What did Ruth Bader Ginsberg say about Roe v Wade: Answer: “Frankly, I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”? Yes, that was 2009!3) Here’s Nancy Pelosi talking about how “Family Planning” saves money: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZWn1eRzvyw It’s the liberals who hate people, especially minorities.

Funny, you’re the one who seems to be spewing the most hate.

Pablo said:
I thought Obamacare took care of all that. What happened? Were we lied to?

Obama care doesn’t kick in until 2014 for the majority of Americans. I’m really rather shocked that so many of you appear to be very ill informed about the things you have such strong objections to. It’s like you don’t need to know, nor do you don’t want to.

Last night the Maddow’s show went out into the streets to find out how people felt about what’s going on in Washington. They hadn’t a clue who the Speaker of the House was … not even when they were shown his picture. This huge drama is playing out in Washington and they didn’t even know about it. So if the people aren’t paying attention they’re going to be pretty pissed when all of a sudden the federal government shuts down and services stop. Surprise! :)

ellie said:
Last night the Maddow’s show went out into the streets to find out how people felt about what’s going on in Washington. They hadn’t a clue who the Speaker of the House was … not even when they were shown his picture. This huge drama is playing out in Washington and they didn’t even know about it. So if the people aren’t paying attention they’re going to be pretty pissed when all of a sudden the federal government shuts down and services stop. Surprise! :)

Wow, she ripped off Jaywalking? She really IS a Rhodes Scholar!

ellie said:
Educate yourself. There are no public dollars that go for abortion in this country. It’s the law. They can’t. Cutting off funding for Planned Parenthood will leave millions of women without services for pap smears, breast exams, birth control and treatment for STDs. 54% of the women in America have used Planned Parenthood at some time in their lifetime and many women have no where else to obtain these services. And they serve low income woman who would not be able to receive these services with them. If women lose access to good birth control then pregnancies will increase which means abortions will increase. And I can’t think of anyone who wants that to happen. This rider will cut off many health services to women and will increase rather than decrease abortions.

Great post Ellie. Unfortunately, facts and the truth don’t matter for most in this site which is why your informative posts is getting so many thumbs down. To paraphrase Jack, ‘They can’t handle the truth’.

BadGenome said:
Wow, she ripped off Jaywalking? She really IS a Rhodes Scholar!

Wow you went straight for the cheap shot and offered no substantive refutation. You proved Ellie’s point, “I’m really rather shocked that so many of you appear to be very ill informed about the things you have such strong objections to. It’s like you don’t need to know, nor do you don’t want to.”

Pablo said:
This isn’t Ryan’s bill, genius. He’s addressing the 2012 budget. This is the 2011 budget Pelosi and friends declined to write.

Ya the one with riders that defund Planned Parenthood, EPA (who needs someone monitoring the air we breath and the water we drink anyway) and Big Bird and the Cookie Monster. (NPR) They also want to defund the FDA because we don’t need no stinkin veggies grains and meats to be safety regulated. We’re tough! We can eat anything. And we will if the FDA is defunded.

BadGenome said:
Wow, she ripped off Jaywalking? She really IS a Rhodes Scholar!

You owe me for the time it took me to read this! And for the lobotomy it almost caused by my exposure to it.

TheEagle said:
Great post Ellie. Unfortunately, facts and the truth don’t matter for most in this site which is why your informative posts is getting so many thumbs down. To paraphrase Jack, ‘They can’t handle the truth’.

They do bring a laugh when I’m in the right frame of mind. Other times I just want to slap them upside the head.

I had a funny exchange on one of the birther threads last night where the right was trying to convince me that the State Dept. allowed Obama to become president without only a foreign passport and without a birth certificate.

My sides were splitting before it was over.

ellie said:
You owe me for the time it took me to read this! And for the lobotomy it almost caused by my exposure to it.

Come now. Given that you already think that Rachel Maddow cribbing from Jay Leno is a hilarious, insightful bit of political commentary, I’m pretty certain there was no harm done.

I almost don’t feel sorry for this young Congressman, but I am sure he has
learned a lesson about going on MSNBC for Face Time.
That is not the first time it has happened with O’Donnell, Matthews, Ralph and I think Fat ED!
Few GOP Members appear but when they do they must realize they are probably
walkng into a trap and MUST be prepared to Tell the Host to stick it up his ass OR
if in the MSNBC studio HELP said Host with the insertion! Can’t do that, stay away!
They are just trying for the elusive ratings! Lesson Learned!!!!

TheEagle said:
Wow you went straight for the cheap shot and offered no substantive refutation. You proved Ellie’s point, “I’m really rather shocked that so many of you appear to be very ill informed about the things you have such strong objections to. It’s like you don’t need to know, nor do you don’t want to.”

Substantive refutation to what? The implication that most people are woefully ignorant? We already know that. Look at who is occupying the White House, for Christ’s sake.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Great job, Larry. You exposed Graves for a talking points megaphone and nothing more.

you beteer believe it!!!… the tea bags are a bunch of liars, keep agriculture subsidies and tax breaks for oil companies……but cut off planned parenthood, make women have babies and then cut off the aid they need to care for them…there is nothing richer than a white republican politcian tell a woman what to do…it is the american way…..bastards, al lof them……………………

mikey970 said:
there is nothing richer than a white republican politcian tell a woman what to do

Racist.

This type of shameful interviewing style is precisely the reason I can no longer stand to watch any of the MSNBC lineup. They act like word assassins when conducting an interview; and mirror the tactics of the mafia run thug type unions. And they are baby killers. I wonder if this anger is contrived in that they play to the angry left using their style of debate. It’s unbearable and they actually pretend to condemn Congress for not getting along.

TheEagle said:
Healthcare reform only addressed Health insurance issues. Planned Parenthood is a healthcare provider which provides low cost healthcare services for women.

You’re going to have to translate that gibberish for me. If everyone has health insurance, why do we need Planned Parenthood to provide these low cost (because we’re paying for them) services? Which, btw, they really don’t provide.

THE REAL RABID KOOK said:
What you’re advocating is curtailing the largest single supplier of pre-natal care services in women’s health services in America.

Why do we need a “largest single provider”, Kook? Aren’t there plenty of OB-GYN’s practicing their love with the women of this country? Are you really that afraid of black babies?

Pablo said:
You’re going to have to translate that gibberish for me. If everyone has health insurance, why do we need Planned Parenthood to provide these low cost (because we’re paying for them) services? Which, btw, they really don’t provide.

So you want everyone to go to the highest cost provider. And I thought you guys cared about spending.

TheEagle said:
So you want everyone to go to the highest cost provider. And I thought you guys cared about spending.

Insurance companies determine payment for services, and these services are covered by insurance. People won’t have to pay for them anywhere under ObamaCare.

So, you want everyone to go to the lowest quality provider? I thought you guys cared about women.

Pablo said:
Which, btw, they really don’t provide.

While someone may have lied about mammograms being given, this also is a huge lie…..

“Planned Parenthood is first and foremost an abortion business, but Planned Parenthood and its allies will say almost anything to try and cover up that fact and preserve its taxpayer funding,” Rose said.

They council girls/women on all forms of birth control as a preventative measure against unwanted pregnancy ie: abstinence, birth control pills, iuds. While they include abortion in the counseling, they also discourage it to some degree. They also discuss STD’s in full and the importance of yearly pelvic exams.

Interesting that some of the conservative men on this board comment on what they think Planned Parenthood does or does not do when they have never stepped foot in one. I was in need of their services years ago, so I think I am in better footing to critique it.

If they are pushers of anything it would be birth control pills.

I know this is more about money for you guys but wouldn’t you rather pay for birth control pills than a child that would more and likely end up in the welfare system for possibly up to18 years?

Kat said:
I know this is more about money for you guys but wouldn’t you rather pay for birth control pills than a child that would more and likely end up in the welfare system for possibly up to18 years?

It’s partly about money. But it’s also about child abuse and PP’s systemic role in aiding and abetting it.

Interesting that some of the conservative men on this board comment on what they think Planned Parenthood does or does not do when they have never stepped foot in one.

Oh, I’ve set foot in one.

Kat said:
While they include abortion in the counseling, they also discourage it to some degree.

Oh, that’s funny.

Larry: “You passed an unconstitutional law.”

So did Obama; it’s called Obamacare.

Margaret Sanger founded the American Birth Control League which became part of Planned Parenthood in 1942.
She was a proponent of eugenics to eliminate/reduce (in her view) “undesirables”.

Research it yourself, but don’t forget to google: The Negro Project.

I am against eugenics!
Additionally, a child inside the womb is an innocent human being no matter what race he or she is.

this is wny MSNCB fails in the ratins and Lawrence show is horrible and cant break a million viewers… he is a nut. He will shoot somebody one day in rage…he needs meds

Pablo said:
It’s partly about money. But it’s also about child abuse and PP’s systemic role in aiding and abetting it. Oh, I’ve set foot in one.

No you haven’t. You wouldn’t have this criticsm if you did.

Get of your frakking high horse since your “side” is out to defund anything that provides healthcare for women/children/seniors.

You genuinely don’t know know what you are talking about and listening to any sh*t from something with non-female plumbing is insulting. You may not have to like abortion, but it’s legal in the US. So if a women goes to obtain one, suck it. You don’t have a uterus and it’s not about you. Never was, never will be. Suck it.

I will reiterate that you know *nothing* about Planned Parenthood.

You demonstrate the knowledge of a sheep and a parrot. Following whatever and saying whatever you hear. You and your ilk are disgusting, mysoginistic and pathetic. And willfully ignorant. With pride. Your “citations” are from a website with no credibility with already debunked videos.

You are simply afraid of women, of their rights, their freedoms and their sexuality. You don’t care about them or their well-being.

You’re just another pathetic man women like me never gave a second thought about because we were looking for a better man and person.

Pablo said:
Insurance companies determine payment for services, and these services are covered by insurance. People won’t have to pay for them anywhere under ObamaCare. So, you want everyone to go to the lowest quality provider? I thought you guys cared about women.

You really show a lack of understanding about how the whole system works. As Ellie said before, “I’m really rather shocked that so many of you appear to be very ill informed about the things you have such strong objections to. It’s like you don’t need to know, nor do you don’t want to.”

ellie said:
Educate yourself. There are no public dollars that go for abortion in this country. It’s the law. They can’t. Cutting off funding for Planned Parenthood will leave millions of women without services for pap smears, breast exams, birth control and treatment for STDs. 54% of the women in America have used Planned Parenthood at some time in their lifetime and many women have no where else to obtain these services. And they serve low income woman who would not be able to receive these services with them. If women lose access to good birth control then pregnancies will increase which means abortions will increase. And I can’t think of anyone who wants that to happen. This rider will cut off many health services to women and will increase rather than decrease abortions.

Again, I ask With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood?

With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood?

PP’s main purpose is abortion. funding for PP, directly or indirectly pays for abortions.

skyfet said:
This is hypocritical! for someone who is enjoying the Socialist healthcare in Europe to be lecturing people about cutting Plan Parenthood is just funny (in a sad way). Do you feel guilty for taking advantage of healthcare that has a socialistic and fascists background?

again, I ask, With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood?

With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood?

TheEagle said:
The money doesn’t fund abortions. The Hyde amendment forbids that. The money funds women’s health centers that provide low cost mamograms and other health services to women.

they do not provide mammograms.

and again, With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood?

With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood?

TheEagle said:
Great post Ellie. Unfortunately, facts and the truth don’t matter for most in this site which is why your informative posts is getting so many thumbs down. To paraphrase Jack, ‘They can’t handle the truth’.

“Abortion is the most lucrative part of Planned Parenthood’s operations,” she said. “Even though they’re two separate corporations, all of the money goes into one pot. With the family planning corporation really suffering, they depend on the abortion corporation to balance their budget, help get them out of the hole and help make income for the company.”

She continued, “They really wanted to increase the number of abortions so that they could increase their income.”

“One of the ways they were able to up the number of patients that they saw was they started doing the RU-486 chemical abortions all throughout the week,” she said.

RU-486 chemical abortions kill the lining of the uterus, cutting off oxygen and nutrients, resulting in the death of an unborn baby. Johnson said the chemical abortion costs the same as an early first-trimester abortion: between $505 and $695 for each procedure.

Read more: Planned Parenthood’s abortion quotas exposed http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=115000#ixzz1IxTrRfeh

1. Planned Parenthood’s runs the largest abortion chain in the nation; taxpayers should not be forced to financially support it. Planned Parenthood has ended the fiscal year with a profit every year since 1987, according to its annual reports. In 2009, its profit was $63.4 million, after it reported grabbing an all time high of $363.2 million the same year from government grants and programs.
Why should we fund Planned Parenthood’s profitable venture with our tax dollars? Why should people who vehemently oppose Planned Parenthood’s agenda be forced to pay for it?

2. Planned Parenthood’s business model is abortion-centered. Though it claims abortion is only 3% of its business, in reality abortion generates 40.6% of Planned Parenthood’s clinic income. According to former Planned Parenthood director Abby Johnson, it imposes abortion quotas on its abortion facility operators to make up for financial shortfalls in other areas. According to Planned Parenthood officials, it will require every affiliate to have at least one clinic that offers abortions within the next two years.

4. Planned Parenthood lacks accountability for the billions of tax dollars it takes in. A report from the Government Accountability Office gleaned from Planned Parenthood’s Single Audit Act reports failed to account for $1.3 billion dollars in government funding received by Planned Parenthood from 2002 – 2008.
http://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/talking-points-for-defunding-eugenics-founded-planned-parenthood/

In April, the annual report of Planned Parenthood Federation of America revealed that the abortion giant had a total income of $1.02 billion—with reported profits of nearly $115 million. Taxpayers kick in more than $336 million worth of government grants and contracts at both the state and federal levels. That’s a third of Planned Parenthood’s budget.
And what market-distorting results do we get for those government incentives? 289,650 abortions in 2006.http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/04/planned-parenthoods-obscene-profits/

Crazy Larry will soon be a clone of olberdork. Booking only bobbing heads to agree with him in a mutual masturbation of how rotten Fox and the republicans are. Sort of like every other show on MSDNC.

sarainitaly said:
Again, I ask With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood? With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood? PP’s main purpose is abortion. funding for PP, directly or indirectly pays for abortions.

When you site Wing Nut Daily as a source, you’re toast.

You’re as intelligent as another Sarah with brown hair. Poor, poor pathetic little thing.

You know nothing about PP except what the idiots have told you.

Stop embarrassing yourself.

Seriously.

sarainitaly said:
they do not provide mammograms. and again, With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood? With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood?

They do provide mammograms. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/womens-health/mammogram-21195.htm

Healthcare reform was focused on health insurance. The President called it health insurance reform several times. PP is not an insurance company, they are a healthcare provider. And medicaid only covers some people, not all.

sarainitaly said:
again, I ask, With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood?

When it’s in full force, it won’t be necessary. What happens to the women before then? Or is it you simply don’t care.

I believe I read on here a time back when you said you backed Hillary but turn to the republican party when Obama was nominated.

Can I ask how how it is that you are so against “Obamacare” when Hillary had her own “Clintoncare” ideas? And Hillary I am sure is behind funding for Planned Parenthood. Something tells me if it was President Clinton you would be on here googling the shit out to argue against the republicans.

sarainitaly said:
again, I ask, With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood? With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood?

Sara (who loves America so much she lives in another country where she benefits from government healthcare) claims she supports women’s issues but her stand on planned parenthood funding exposes her hypocrisy and dishonesty.

TheEagle said:
They do provide mammograms. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/womens-health/mammogram-21195.htm

The page gives info about Mammos, didn’t see where it provides them. Can you point it out?

Penguin60 said:
The page gives info about Mammos, didn’t see where it provides them. Can you point it out?

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppsi/free-mammograms-pap-smears-17602.htm

sarainitaly said:
they do not provide mammograms.

and again, With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood?

With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood?

You are thoroughly, completely ignorant on this topic. Move on. You’re embarrassing yourself and showing us all a very ugly side of you.

Love the fetus, hate the child.

Planned Parenthood DOES NOT provide mammograms:
http://liveaction.org/blog/planned-parenthood-ceos-false-mammogram-claim-exposed/

“In the tapes, a Live Action actor calls 30 Planned Parenthood clinics in 27 different states, inquiring about mammograms at Planned Parenthood. Every Planned Parenthood, without exception, tells her she will have to go elsewhere for a mammogram, and many clinics admit that no Planned Parenthood clinics provide this breast cancer screening procedure. ‘We don’t provide those services whatsoever,’ admits a staffer at Planned Parenthood of Arizona. Planned Parenthood’s Comprehensive Health Center clinic in Overland Park, KS explains to the caller, ‘We actually don’t have a, um, mammogram machine, at our clinics.’”

Liberals, quit lying. Planned Parenthood was founded BY LIBERALS to get rid of people (BLACKS, MINORITIES, “undesirables”, etc.)

Wake up.

Alz said:
Planned Parenthood DOES NOT provide mammograms:http://liveaction.org/blog/planned-parenthood-ceos-false-mammogram-claim-exposed/ “In the tapes, a Live Action actor calls 30 Planned Parenthood clinics in 27 different states, inquiring about mammograms at Planned Parenthood. Every Planned Parenthood, without exception, tells her she will have to go elsewhere for a mammogram, and many clinics admit that no Planned Parenthood clinics provide this breast cancer screening procedure. ‘We don’t provide those services whatsoever,’ admits a staffer at Planned Parenthood of Arizona. Planned Parenthood’s Comprehensive Health Center clinic in Overland Park, KS explains to the caller, ‘We actually don’t have a, um, mammogram machine, at our clinics.’” Liberals, quit lying. Planned Parenthood was founded BY LIBERALS to get rid of people (BLACKS, MINORITIES, “undesirables”, etc.) Wake up.

That’s funny because the PPs of Idaho and Colorado list breast cancer screening on their websites. Now some may not offer mammograms, but they provide initial screenings and referrals:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppgnw/free-breast-cancer-screening-31764.htm
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/rocky-mountains/breast-cervical-cancer-screening-programs-22194.htm
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/womens-health/breast-cancer-screenings-21189.htm

And, again, on other services provided by PP:

-Pap Smears: Can’t afford a cervical cancer screening? Planned Parenthood has your back.
-Pregnancy Testing and Services: The organization helps women who are pregnant or are thinking about becoming pregnant get prenatal care.
-Diabetes Screening: Depending on location, you can get general health care services like diabetes screening, flu vaccines, or anemia testing at Planned Parenthood.
-Breast Cancer Screening: The organization provides valuable breast exams and helps women find services they might need.
-STD Testing, Treatment, and Prevention: Planned Parenthood provides free condoms, HPV vaccines, and STD testing and treatment.
-Male Infertility Screening and Referral: The organization offers a variety of male sexual health services, like infertility screening, testicular cancer screening, and erectile dysfunction services. Are the congressmen aware of this?
-Menopause Help: It might not make headlines like abortion services, but Planned Parenthood’s health centers offer midlife services to help women deal with menopause.

Sheeeeeit said:
Love the fetus, hate the child.

Word.

avoidswork said:
That’s funny because the PPs of Idaho and Colorado list breast cancer screening on their websites. Now some may not offer mammograms, but they provide initial screenings and referrals:

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppgnw/free-breast-cancer-screening-31764.htm
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/rocky-mountains/breast-cervical-cancer-screening-programs-22194.htm
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/womens-health/breast-cancer-screenings-21189.htm

And, again, on other services provided by PP:

-Pap Smears: Can’t afford a cervical cancer screening? Planned Parenthood has your back.
-Pregnancy Testing and Services: The organization helps women who are pregnant or are thinking about becoming pregnant get prenatal care.
-Diabetes Screening: Depending on location, you can get general health care services like diabetes screening, flu vaccines, or anemia testing at Planned Parenthood.
-Breast Cancer Screening: The organization provides valuable breast exams and helps women find services they might need.
-STD Testing, Treatment, and Prevention: Planned Parenthood provides free condoms, HPV vaccines, and STD testing and treatment.
-Male Infertility Screening and Referral: The organization offers a variety of male sexual health services, like infertility screening, testicular cancer screening, and erectile dysfunction services. Are the congressmen aware of this?
-Menopause Help: It might not make headlines like abortion services, but Planned Parenthood’s health centers offer midlife services to help women deal with menopause.

Word.

But you are just quoting what the liberals say. As you say from that video, in the 30 Planned Parenthood locations, none of them offered mammograms – which the liberals told us they do. Are you lying? Either you are ignorant or lying.

avoidswork said:
When you site Wing Nut Daily as a source, you’re toast.
You’re as intelligent as another Sarah with brown hair. Poor, poor pathetic little thing.
You know nothing about PP except what the idiots have told you.
Stop embarrassing yourself.
Seriously.

With a new pro-life majority and Republican control of the House, pro-life lawmakers are working on a letter they plan to send to their colleague soon urging Appropriations Committee chairman Hal Rogers of Kentucky to reinstate the Dornan amendment. Pro-life Caucus Co-Chairs Chris Smith, a New Jersey Republican, and Dan Lipinski, an Illinois Democrat, are co-writing the letter.

“When the Dornan amendment was overturned in the omnibus spending bill last year, it served as a reminder of the need for permanent bans on federal funding of abortion,” Lipinski said previously.

The dismantling of the abortion funding ban in the nation’s capital is wrapped in a complex but important legislative and constitutional distinction.

Article I of the U.S. Constitution allows Congress plenary legislative authority over the District of Columbia, including the entire District of Columbia budget that is approved as a part of the annual Financial Services Appropriations bill. This means Congress bears constitutional responsibility for the use of funds raised through District of Columbia local taxes, as well as federal funds allocated for the District of Columbia.

From fiscal years 1996-2009, all funds that Congress approved for D.C. (both “local” and “federal”) were prohibited from use in abortions. Congress rolled back this policy when language was approved to only prohibit the use of “federal” funds for elective abortion by inserting the word “federal” into the Dornan amendment. This change effectively guts the entire policy, because the District of Columbia may now use taxpayer funds to pay for abortion as long as a bookkeeping mechanism is implemented to technically charge abortions to those funds that were “locally” generated.

o restore the Dornan amendment, lawmakers must remove the word “federal” that Democrats and Obama inserted in it to gut the abortion funding ban.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/dana-loesch-in-tense-debate-with-eliot-spitzer-and-rep-jackie-speier-on-planned-parenthood-funds/

Sebelius: Everyone will pay into abortion-coverage fund
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/22/sebelius-everyone-will-pay-into-abortion-coverage-fund/

seriously, you’re embarrassing yourself.

Kat said:
When it’s in full force, it won’t be necessary. What happens to the women before then? Or is it you simply don’t care.

I believe I read on here a time back when you said you backed Hillary but turn to the republican party when Obama was nominated.

Can I ask how how it is that you are so against “Obamacare” when Hillary had her own “Clintoncare” ideas? And Hillary I am sure is behind funding for Planned Parenthood. Something tells me if it was President Clinton you would be on here googling the shit out to argue against the republicans.

i’m not against healthcare reform. i have written extensively about the two types of healthcare systems, and the need for reform. obamacare doesn’t meet those challenges. and the people don’t like it. it’s a crap bill that doesn’t cover everyone, without a mandate will allow people to only get insurance when they need it, it won’t work like that.

so you think if the govt. doesn’t fund PP, it will disappear tomorrow? they are quite profitable, something tells me they would be around.

TheEagle said:
They do provide mammograms. http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/womens-health/mammogram-21195.htm

nope.

http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2011/03/30/busted-planned-parenthood-caught-in-mammogram-lie/

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
sarainitaly said:
they do not provide mammograms.
and again, With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood?
With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood?
You are thoroughly, completely ignorant on this topic. Move on. You’re embarrassing yourself and showing us all a very ugly side of you.

oh really?

they don’t provide mammograms.
http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2011/03/30/busted-planned-parenthood-caught-in-mammogram-lie/

With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood?
With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood?

instead of attempting to address the issues, you as usual make up some ridiculous personal attack, and utter complete nonsense.

how am i ignorant on the issues? i know the truth. funding goes into a pot,, the amendment was rolled back:

Congress rolled back this policy when language was approved to only prohibit the use of “federal” funds for elective abortion by inserting the word “federal” into the Dornan amendment. This change effectively guts the entire policy, because the District of Columbia may now use taxpayer funds to pay for abortion as long as a bookkeeping mechanism is implemented to technically charge abortions to those funds that were “locally” generated.

Sebelius: Everyone will pay into abortion-coverage fund
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/22/sebelius-everyone-will-pay-into-abortion-coverage-fund/

sorry, i am not the ignorant one here….

i am prochoice, but i am not for using tax dollars to pay for it, or see the necessity of funding PP with medicaid, and obamacare, especially when they are so profitable.

Sheeeeeit said:
Love the fetus, hate the child.

hate the poor, minority, or disabled child, abort the fetus…?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger#Eugenics_and_euthanasia

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×5545890

sarainitaly said:
nope. http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2011/03/30/busted-planned-parenthood-caught-in-mammogram-lie/

I’m sorry but that is no proof. It is a claim from a very biased organization. Maybe if you lived in the U.S. and could visit a PP center, you would know better.

sarainitaly said:
oh really? they don’t provide mammograms.http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2011/03/30/busted-planned-parenthood-caught-in-mammogram-lie/ With Obama care, why do they need to continue funding Planned Parenthood?With medicaid, why do they need to fund Planned Parenthood? instead of attempting to address the issues, you as usual make up some ridiculous personal attack, and utter complete nonsense. how am i ignorant on the issues? i know the truth. funding goes into a pot,, the amendment was rolled back: Congress rolled back this policy when language was approved to only prohibit the use of “federal” funds for elective abortion by inserting the word “federal” into the Dornan amendment. This change effectively guts the entire policy, because the District of Columbia may now use taxpayer funds to pay for abortion as long as a bookkeeping mechanism is implemented to technically charge abortions to those funds that were “locally” generated. Sebelius: Everyone will pay into abortion-coverage fundhttp://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/22/sebelius-everyone-will-pay-into-abortion-coverage-fund/ sorry, i am not the ignorant one here…. i am prochoice, but i am not for using tax dollars to pay for it, or see the necessity of funding PP with medicaid, and obamacare, especially when they are so profitable.

The healthcare reform and medicaid arguments are false ones. PP is a healthcare provider. Healthcare reform was insurance reform. Medcaid is really just free healthcare insurance for the poor. Neither of which affects PP as a healthcare provider. And none of these funds go to abortion services so no tax dollars are paying for abortions.

TheEagle said:
I’m sorry but that is no proof. It is a claim from a very biased organization. Maybe if you lived in the U.S. and could visit a PP center, you would know better.

yea….people actually working there saying they do not provide mammograms is *not proof*.

http://www.blogher.com/where-does-planned-parenthood-provide-mammograms

i have been to PP centers. had a few friends who went there for abortions. everyone i ever knew who went there, went for access to the pill and abortions. and they went there for one reason – because they could obtain them without telling their parents. and all they had to do to get them mostly paid for was tell them they were poor (even though that was not the case).

if they were truly all about “women’s health”, i don’t know why they are needed. why isn’t women’s health available from your normal provider, or through medicaid if you are poor? why are they different? why do they need tax dollars if they earn billions in profits every year? i don’t care if they exist, but i don’t think they need tax dollars. they profit off abortion (40%) and they can function as business, with additional private donor donations. and with obama care, why do they need PP? i thought obamacare was supposed to be the avenue that would provide healthcare to everyone?

TheEagle said:
The healthcare reform and medicaid arguments are false ones. PP is a healthcare provider. Healthcare reform was insurance reform. Medcaid is really just free healthcare insurance for the poor. Neither of which affects PP as a healthcare provider. And none of these funds go to abortion services so no tax dollars are paying for abortions.

if they are a provider, and with medicaid and obamacare, why do they need tax payer funds? services should be covered with medicaid or obamacare insurance.

anyone with obamacare of medicaid can go to PP for services, but they don’t need to be funded with tax dollars. and with medicaid and obamacare insurance, they should be able to go to any health care provider for care, no? Why PP?

“And none of these funds go to abortion services so no tax dollars are paying for abortions.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lawrence-o%e2%80%99donnell-shouts-down-tea-party-congressman-over-planned-parenthood-funding/comment-page-4/#comment-404577

sarainitaly said:
yea….people actually working there saying they do not provide mammograms is *not proof*. http://www.blogher.com/where-does-planned-parenthood-provide-mammograms i have been to PP centers. had a few friends who went there for abortions. everyone i ever knew who went there, went for access to the pill and abortions. and they went there for one reason – because they could obtain them without telling their parents. and all they had to do to get them mostly paid for was tell them they were poor (even though that was not the case). if they were truly all about “women’s health”, i don’t know why they are needed. why isn’t women’s health available from your normal provider, or through medicaid if you are poor? why are they different? why do they need tax dollars if they earn billions in profits every year? i don’t care if they exist, but i don’t think they need tax dollars. they profit off abortion (40%) and they can function as business, with additional private donor donations. and with obama care, why do they need PP? i thought obamacare was supposed to be the avenue that would provide healthcare to everyone?

No, healthcare reform will provide healthcare insurance to everyone in several years. And abortions are only 3% of the services PP provides: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/apr/08/jon-kyl/jon-kyl-says-abortion-services-are-well-over-90-pe/

And they do provide mamograms: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppsi/free-mammograms-pap-smears-17602.htm
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppwaco/BCCS%20Komen-28753.htm

sarainitaly said:
if they are a provider, and with medicaid and obamacare, why do they need tax payer funds? services should be covered with medicaid or obamacare insurance. anyone with obamacare of medicaid can go to PP for services, but they don’t need to be funded with tax dollars. and with medicaid and obamacare insurance, they should be able to go to any health care provider for care, no? Why PP? “And none of these funds go to abortion services so no tax dollars are paying for abortions.” http://www.mediaite.com/tv/lawrence-o%e2%80%99donnell-shouts-down-tea-party-congressman-over-planned-parenthood-funding/comment-page-4/#comment-404577

You really don’t know how the system works. Not everyone gets medicaid and healthcare reform is not in full force. Even with them, most women can still not afford to go to the most expensive doctors or clinics. PP provides a low cost alternative.

TheEagle said:
Even with them, most women can still not afford to go to the most expensive doctors or clinics. PP provides a low cost alternative.

why does PP, which makes billions in profit every year, need tax funding? why can’t they survive on a private business model with private donations, like they already receive in the billions.

if people can’t afford to go to the doctor with medicaid and Obamacare, then they are crap programs and it makes absolutely no sense to fund them, either.

Effective by January 1, 2014

Medicaid eligibility is expanded to include all individuals and families with incomes up to 133% of the poverty level.

Low income persons and families above the Medicaid level and up to 400% of the poverty level will receive subsidies on a sliding scale if they choose to purchase insurance via an exchange (persons at 150% of the poverty level would be subsidized such that their premium cost would be of 2% of income or $50 a month for a family of 4).

Enrollment into CHIP and Medicaid is simplified with improvements to both programs.

TheEagle said:
And they do provide mamograms: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppsi/free-mammograms-pap-smears-17602.htm

“and we will assist you in setting up an appointment with a local medical provider for your FREE screening.” They do not provide mammograms.

TheEagle said:
And abortions are only 3% of the services PP provides

Exposing the Planned Parenthood business model
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/153699-exposing-the-planned-parenthood-business-model

sarainitaly said:
why does PP, which makes billions in profit every year, need tax funding? why can’t they survive on a private business model with private donations, like they already receive in the billions. if people can’t afford to go to the doctor with medicaid and Obamacare, then they are crap programs and it makes absolutely no sense to fund them, either. Effective by January 1, 2014 Medicaid eligibility is expanded to include all individuals and families with incomes up to 133% of the poverty level. Low income persons and families above the Medicaid level and up to 400% of the poverty level will receive subsidies on a sliding scale if they choose to purchase insurance via an exchange (persons at 150% of the poverty level would be subsidized such that their premium cost would be of 2% of income or $50 a month for a family of 4). Enrollment into CHIP and Medicaid is simplified with improvements to both programs. “and we will assist you in setting up an appointment with a local medical provider for your FREE screening.” They do not provide mammograms.

Why does Exxon-Mobile with makes billions of dollars a year need government funding?

And PP does not make billions a year. It’s income is in the hundreds of millions yes, but not billions: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR_2007_vFinal.pdf .

And they do provide mamograms, pap smears and other health services for women. You omitted this line at the end, “Services at Planned Parenthood of Southeast Iowa may be available on the same day you enroll.” As well as this entire link: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppwaco/BCCS%20Komen-28753.htm

TheEagle said:
Why does Exxon-Mobile with makes billions of dollars a year need government funding?

And PP does not make billions a year. It’s income is in the hundreds of millions yes, but not billions: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/AR_2007_vFinal.pdf .

And they do provide mamograms, pap smears and other health services for women. You omitted this line at the end, “Services at Planned Parenthood of Southeast Iowa may be available on the same day you enroll.” As well as this entire link: http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppwaco/BCCS%20Komen-28753.htm

did i say they should have govt. funding? (exxon mobile)

4. Planned Parenthood lacks accountability for the billions of tax dollars it takes in. A report from the Government Accountability Office gleaned from Planned Parenthood’s Single Audit Act reports failed to account for $1.3 billion dollars in government funding received by Planned Parenthood from 2002 – 2008.
http://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/talking-points-for-defunding-eugenics-founded-planned-parenthood/

In April, the annual report of Planned Parenthood Federation of America revealed that the abortion giant had a total income of $1.02 billion—with reported profits of nearly $115 million. Taxpayers kick in more than $336 million worth of government grants and contracts at both the state and federal levels. That’s a third of Planned Parenthood’s budget.
And what market-distorting results do we get for those government incentives? 289,650 abortions in 2006.http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/04/planned-parenthoods-obscene-profits/

they do NOT provide mammograms. they may refer women to legitimate medical centers that do, but PP does not do mammograms. Many facilities do mammograms for free, and October they are free in tons of places.

They (PP) do breast examines, the same type they tell women to do at home. They do not do mammograms.

TheEagle said:
And they do provide mamograms

no, they don’t.

But a Planned Parenthood spokesman denied that the organization claimed to offer mammograms, saying the transcript of the show clearly shows Richards was referring to the overall effect of on women’s health services if the health overhaul legislation was repealed and not specifically the effect of defunding her group.

“Planned Parenthood provides a wide range of preventive health care services to millions of women through its 800 health centers including contraception, Pap tests, annual exams, HIV and other STI tests, and lifesaving breast exams,” said Stuart Schear, the group’s vice president for communication, in an e-mail.

A mammogram involves an X-ray of the breast. A breast exam is a physical examination.
“Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses provide more than 800,000 breast cancer screenings annually. We offer breast exams at every one of our family planning health centers. Like the vast majority of primary care physicians and ob-gyns, we refer our patients to other facilities for mammograms when indicated based on a breast exam, age or family history,” he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/planned-parenthood-challenged-on-purported-mammogram-claim/2011/03/30/AFjCFO3B_story.html

TheEagle said:
And PP does not make billions a year. It’s income is in the hundreds of millions yes, but not billions

my bad, i typed billions, not millions. they bring in hundreds of millions in taxes, and donations, income of 1.5B, profits in the hundred+ million.

sarainitaly said:
my bad, i typed billions, not millions. they bring in hundreds of millions in taxes, and donations, income of 1.5B, profits in the hundred+ million.

No go back and read. There income is less than $500 million.

sarainitaly said:
did i say they should have govt. funding? (exxon mobile) 4. Planned Parenthood lacks accountability for the billions of tax dollars it takes in. A report from the Government Accountability Office gleaned from Planned Parenthood’s Single Audit Act reports failed to account for $1.3 billion dollars in government funding received by Planned Parenthood from 2002 – 2008.http://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2011/02/24/talking-points-for-defunding-eugenics-founded-planned-parenthood/ In April, the annual report of Planned Parenthood Federation of America revealed that the abortion giant had a total income of $1.02 billion—with reported profits of nearly $115 million. Taxpayers kick in more than $336 million worth of government grants and contracts at both the state and federal levels. That’s a third of Planned Parenthood’s budget.And what market-distorting results do we get for those government incentives? 289,650 abortions in 2006.http://michellemalkin.com/2008/06/04/planned-parenthoods-obscene-profits/ they do NOT provide mammograms. they may refer women to legitimate medical centers that do, but PP does not do mammograms. Many facilities do mammograms for free, and October they are free in tons of places. They (PP) do breast examines, the same type they tell women to do at home. They do not do mammograms.

So you admit that they do provide women’s health services. And if you want more accountablity that’s fine but it is not a reason to defund they when the do (by your own admission) provide health services to women. Plus, the government funding does not pay for abortions. That is against the law.

sarainitaly said:
no, they don’t. But a Planned Parenthood spokesman denied that the organization claimed to offer mammograms, saying the transcript of the show clearly shows Richards was referring to the overall effect of on women’s health services if the health overhaul legislation was repealed and not specifically the effect of defunding her group. “Planned Parenthood provides a wide range of preventive health care services to millions of women through its 800 health centers including contraception, Pap tests, annual exams, HIV and other STI tests, and lifesaving breast exams,” said Stuart Schear, the group’s vice president for communication, in an e-mail. A mammogram involves an X-ray of the breast. A breast exam is a physical examination.“Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses provide more than 800,000 breast cancer screenings annually. We offer breast exams at every one of our family planning health centers. Like the vast majority of primary care physicians and ob-gyns, we refer our patients to other facilities for mammograms when indicated based on a breast exam, age or family history,” he said. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/planned-parenthood-challenged-on-purported-mammogram-claim/2011/03/30/AFjCFO3B_story.html

But you admit there do provide valuable health services to women.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppgnw/free-breast-cancer-screening-31764.htm
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/rocky-mountains/breast-cervical-cancer-screening-programs-22194.htm
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/womens-health/breast-cancer-screenings-21189.htm

TheEagle said:
Plus, the government funding does not pay for abortions. That is against the law.

one more time…

“When the Dornan amendment was overturned in the omnibus spending bill last year, it served as a reminder of the need for permanent bans on federal funding of abortion,” Lipinski said previously.

The dismantling of the abortion funding ban in the nation’s capital is wrapped in a complex but important legislative and constitutional distinction.

Article I of the U.S. Constitution allows Congress plenary legislative authority over the District of Columbia, including the entire District of Columbia budget that is approved as a part of the annual Financial Services Appropriations bill. This means Congress bears constitutional responsibility for the use of funds raised through District of Columbia local taxes, as well as federal funds allocated for the District of Columbia.

From fiscal years 1996-2009, all funds that Congress approved for D.C. (both “local” and “federal”) were prohibited from use in abortions. Congress rolled back this policy when language was approved to only prohibit the use of “federal” funds for elective abortion by inserting the word “federal” into the Dornan amendment. This change effectively guts the entire policy, because the District of Columbia may now use taxpayer funds to pay for abortion as long as a bookkeeping mechanism is implemented to technically charge abortions to those funds that were “locally” generated.

To restore the Dornan amendment, lawmakers must remove the word “federal” that Democrats and Obama inserted in it to gut the abortion funding ban.

TheEagle said:
No go back and read. There income is less than $500 million.

In April, the annual report of Planned Parenthood Federation of America revealed that the abortion giant had a total income of $1.02 billion—with reported profits of nearly $115 million. Taxpayers kick in more than $336 million worth of government grants and contracts at both the state and federal levels.

TheEagle said:
But you admit there do provide valuable health services to women.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/153699-exposing-the-planned-parenthood-business-model

i never said they don’t also provide services, like paps, and manual breast exams. they do those when women come in for birth control, STD tests or abortion services.

why do they need govt. funding, if there is medicaid, and obama care around the corner, and they make hundred+ millions in profits,and receive millions in private donations?

sarainitaly said:
one more time… “When the Dornan amendment was overturned in the omnibus spending bill last year, it served as a reminder of the need for permanent bans on federal funding of abortion,” Lipinski said previously. The dismantling of the abortion funding ban in the nation’s capital is wrapped in a complex but important legislative and constitutional distinction. Article I of the U.S. Constitution allows Congress plenary legislative authority over the District of Columbia, including the entire District of Columbia budget that is approved as a part of the annual Financial Services Appropriations bill. This means Congress bears constitutional responsibility for the use of funds raised through District of Columbia local taxes, as well as federal funds allocated for the District of Columbia. From fiscal years 1996-2009, all funds that Congress approved for D.C. (both “local” and “federal”) were prohibited from use in abortions. Congress rolled back this policy when language was approved to only prohibit the use of “federal” funds for elective abortion by inserting the word “federal” into the Dornan amendment. This change effectively guts the entire policy, because the District of Columbia may now use taxpayer funds to pay for abortion as long as a bookkeeping mechanism is implemented to technically charge abortions to those funds that were “locally” generated. To restore the Dornan amendment, lawmakers must remove the word “federal” that Democrats and Obama inserted in it to gut the abortion funding ban.

One more time, the Hyde amendment forbids that. You can cut and paste as much right wing BS that you want but it doesn’t change the truth.

sarainitaly said:
In April, the annual report of Planned Parenthood Federation of America revealed that the abortion giant had a total income of $1.02 billion—with reported profits of nearly $115 million. Taxpayers kick in more than $336 million worth of government grants and contracts at both the state and federal levels.

In the 2007–08 Annual Report, clinic income totalled $374.7 million and miscellaneous operating revenues $68.9 million. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood#Funding

sarainitaly said:
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/153699-exposing-the-planned-parenthood-business-model i never said they don’t also provide services, like paps, and manual breast exams. they do those when women come in for birth control, STD tests or abortion services. why do they need govt. funding, if there is medicaid, and obama care around the corner, and they make hundred+ millions in profits,and receive millions in private donations?

They provide those services to all women, not just those who want abortions.

And you keep making the false argument that confuses health insurance and PP which is a healthcare provider. Either you don’t care about the truth or you are purposely spinning.

TheEagle said:
One more time, the Hyde amendment forbids that. You can cut and paste as much right wing BS that you want but it doesn’t change the truth.

the Dornan Amendment allows for tax dollars to be used for abortions in DC.

And here – Sebelius: Everyone will pay into abortion-coverage fund
http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/22/sebelius-everyone-will-pay-into-abortion-coverage-fund/

You can deny it all you want, but tax dollars are being used to fund abortions.

TheEagle said:
they do those when women come in for birth control, STD tests or abortion services.

TheEagle said:
They provide those services to all women, not just those who want abortions.

what did i say?

TheEagle said:
And you keep making the false argument that confuses health insurance and PP which is a healthcare provider. Either you don’t care about the truth or you are purposely spinning.

i am not confusing the two. if medicaid covers low income peeps, and is being expanded to cover even more people, and Obama care will ensure health insurance for everyone, including those not currently covered – assume that means those who can’t currently afford it – then why do tax dollars need to fund a clinic if those using it will have insurance either through medicaid or obamacare?

why don’t they take medicaid/obamacare/private donors and use their millions in profits?

sarainitaly said:
the Dornan Amendment allows for tax dollars to be used for abortions in DC. And here – Sebelius: Everyone will pay into abortion-coverage fundhttp://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/22/sebelius-everyone-will-pay-into-abortion-coverage-fund/ You can deny it all you want, but tax dollars are being used to fund abortions. what did i say? i am not confusing the two. if medicaid covers low income peeps, and is being expanded to cover even more people, and Obama care will ensure health insurance for everyone, including those not currently covered – assume that means those who can’t currently afford it – then why do tax dollars need to fund a clinic if those using it will have insurance either through medicaid or obamacare? why don’t they take medicaid/obamacare/private donors and use their millions in profits?

You are confusing the two. It was all title X funds that they wanted to cut not just funds for PP. Making the same false argument over and over again doesn’t make it true. And title X funds don’t fund abortions. That is illegal due to the Hyde amendment. No matter how many times you deny that doesn’t change the truth.

Sebelius: Everyone will pay into abortion-coverage fund

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/22/sebelius-everyone-will-pay-into-abortion-coverage-fund/

sarainitaly said:
Sebelius: Everyone will pay into abortion-coverage fund http://hotair.com/archives/2009/12/22/sebelius-everyone-will-pay-into-abortion-coverage-fund/

You can cut and paste the same link all you want but it doesn’t change the law.

TheEagle said:
You can cut and paste the same link all you want but it doesn’t change the law.

first of all – it does happen in DC.
and second of all, it may not change the law elsewhere, but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. sebelius admits to it in the clip, and PP former workers admit it happens as well.
you can bury your head in the sand, but it doesn’t change the truth.

sarainitaly said:
first of all – it does happen in DC.and second of all, it may not change the law elsewhere, but it doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. sebelius admits to it in the clip, and PP former workers admit it happens as well.you can bury your head in the sand, but it doesn’t change the truth.

And the truth it is against the law. You can repeat the same bs over and over but it doesn’t make it the truth.

sarainitaly said:
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/politics/153699-exposing-the-planned-parenthood-business-model i never said they don’t also provide services, like paps, and manual breast exams. they do those when women come in for birth control, STD tests or abortion services. why do they need govt. funding, if there is medicaid, and obama care around the corner, and they make hundred+ millions in profits,and receive millions in private donations?

The Health Care Reform will not be fully implemented until 2014 and even then, some people will not be covered right away. In the meantime, low income and poverty-stricken women are able to receive free and low cost women’s health services and free of low cost birth control. The funding covers those things. The Hyde Amendment plainly states that federal funds can’t and don’t fund abortions. Planned Parenthood is but one of the clinics around the nation that provide these services for women. They just happen to have numerous clinics throughout the nation. And they are able to provide the services in a more efficient manner due to their being able to more effectively purchase supplies. The work Planned Parenthood does is needed by so many women and it cannot soon be replaced. Abortions are a very small percentage of their work, something like 5%, and those funds are separate and not co-mingles with federal funds.

Medicaid does not cover many people. Most adults have a very difficult time getting any such aid unless they are extremely poor of are very ill or disabled. Otherwise, it is just not available to most adults.so without places like Planned Parenthood and the federal funding they receive.

TheEagle said:
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/ppsi/free-mammograms-pap-smears-17602.htm

and we will assist you in setting up an appointment with a local medical provider for your FREE screening.

They provide funding, they do not provide mammograms.

Penguin60 said:
and we will assist you in setting up an appointment with a local medical provider for your FREE screening. They provide funding, they do not provide mammograms.

Either way they still provide healthcare services to women who would not be able to get it otherwise.