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Michele Bachmann Likens Waterboarding To Truman’s WWII Decision To Nuke Japan

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Saturday night’s CBS News-hosted GOP Debate focused on U.S. foreign policy, so it should come as no surprise that the issue of waterboarding enemy combatants, and its definition as torture, has been reintroduced as a topical subject for debate on opinion news programs in the days that have followed. Rep. Michele Bachmann called in to America’s Newsroom on Fox News and was asked to respond to President Obama‘s dismissal of waterboarding as a useful and appropriate technique. Bachmann defended waterboarding by comparing it to President Truman‘s decision to drop nuclear weapons on Japan in World War II. Huh.

After airing a clip of President Obama calling waterboarding “torture,” and something “contrary to America’s traditions,” Rep. Bachmann said this:

I think the president is clearly wrong. I would go back to president Harry Truman who had to make the horrific decision to drop the atomic bomb on Japan to end World War II. He said if he had to kill Japanese in order to save one American life he would. If as president of the United States I believed that we would be able to save 3,000 American lives and stop jet aircraft from flying into the twin towers, I would utilize waterboarding if it would save American lives. Sometimes decisions have to be made. It is important for people to know no one died from the use of waterboarding. Is it uncomfortable? yes, it is uncomfortable but our worries should not be the about the comfort level of a terrorist.

There is a lot to break down in Bachmann’s casual comparison to a nuclear bomb attack, which resulted in the deaths of an estimated 100,000 individuals, with waterboarding of suspected terrorists. But her real point was about the tough decisions that a commander in chief must make to defend the United States. Ironically, criticism of Obama’s public comments about the treatment of enemy combatants comes on the same day that left-of-center columnist Thomas Friedman gives the president back-handed praise for his perfect execution of George W. Bush‘s foreign policy. Dude can’t win.

What’s left out of this conversation is that, even if President Obama privately believed in waterboarding, or a devil-may-care approach to seeking intelligence from suspected terrorists, the last thing that he, or any other sitting president, should do is publicly amplify that position. The United States doesn’t torture, full stop. But what happens in CIA-sponsored interrogation locations in Poland, Egypt and elsewhere…well that’s not something any elected official should ever discuss.

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  • Celisary455

    God somebody needs to shut this bitch up!!!!  She starting to make Sarah Palin sound like Churchill. She always is talking about her 5 children and 28 Foster children, WELL DAMN COULD ONE OF THOSE FOOLS TELL THIS BITCH TO SHUT UP SHE IS AN EMBARASSMENT TO THE PROCESS OF RUNNING FOR THE PRESIDENCY.  She is giving Women a more difficult time to run in the future, by being so f**king Ignorant .

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    This woman is getting goofier by the moment. Soon, she’ll be in Half-Baled Alaskan territory.

  • SammyC

    Dear America,
    please duct tape this batshit crazy woman’s mouth. She is making you guys look absolutely ridiculous!
    Regards, Canada

  • Anonymous

    @SenJohnMccain: Very disappointed by statements at SC GOP debate supporting waterboarding. Waterboarding is torture.

    The end.

  • Jon B

    Very disappointed by statements at SC GOP debate supporting waterboarding. Waterboarding is torture. -John McCain

  • Anonymous

    Harry Truman’s decision was wrong. Period.

    1) Japanese were close to surrendering
    2) What about the casualties? How man japanese still have cancer from that bombing today? 

    Bachmann will never be president. No Asian vote for her

  • Anonymous

    …Don’t judge it.

    The brilliance of Michele Bachmann’s creative thinking laughs in the face of reason and sanity.

    ‘The United States doesn’t torture, full stop. But what happens in CIA-sponsored interrogation locations in Poland, Egypt and elsewhere…’ Colby Hall

    Is it not the same unspoken policy for most countries!

  • I May Be Retarded

    Half-Baled Alaskan

    Half- BAKED Alaskan  !!!!!!

  • Inquiring Mind

    What is Canada ?

  • http://twitter.com/TommyBennett Tom Bennett

    Bachman is the girl in high school I would call a Diiiiiiiiiip- sh*t. 

  • Anonymous

    Harsh interrogations ? No. But. renditions are fine in Mister Obama’s neighborhood.

    “Obama’s people have also indicated that rendition – the forcible transfer of individuals to the custody of third-party states – will continue to be used by the US on terror suspects. Therefore, this new FBI unit could send people to regimes such as Morocco, Egypt and Syria and conduct interrogations on people being detained indefinitely by these old partners in the secret detention game.
    If the prisoners are being held by captors who routinely engage in torture, the US agents themselves will have no need to engage in coercive techniques themselves – ipso facto, the torture is simply outsourced.”

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/aug/26/obama-rendition-cia-prisons-us

  • wawoo

    Harry Truman as Commander In Chief oversaw the trial and execution of Japanese officers that waterboarded American POW’s. Bachman is a disgrace.

  • Anonymous

    Very inappropriate language, sir. This is a wife and mother.

    Robert will probably chastize you shortly.

  • SammyC

    The sane one.

  • cdnhawk

    The nice boring country above you.

  • The_Reasonable_Lib

    So her defense is to use an irrational act which was unnecessary and changed an entire country’s nuclear policy indefinitely and has resorted in even the country that used it and the country with the second largest arsenal resolving to draw down their supply. Brilliant!

  • Riccismiles

    Is she for real? Are people who support her the functional mentally impaired? 3000 Americans is now equal to the number of people on the planet? Has she forgotten how the world responded post WW2 to nukes? No nukes and no water boarding.. That is called progress!

  • Anonymous

    Personally, I view radical islamic terrorists as savages, below the Animal Kingdom. Waterboarding for these savages shouldn’t matter; go for it.  They are all worthless. JMO.

  • Riccismiles

    That place just north of us that seems to not make the news with regard to economic problems and civil unrest. Unless its a hockey game. But then again WE do batshit celebrations just as well.

  • Inquiring Mind

    Ahh , the touque wearing , international “rim rollers”,  with the 30 year old Constitiution . That country ?

  • cdnhawk

    It’s the nice boring country above you.

  • Anonymous

    Idiots like this used to be marginalized. Now they’re glorified. GOP 2012!

  • Kumquat

    LOL

  • SammyC

    Yeah there’s never any riots in America after a sports event.

  • Inquiring Minds

    Yes. You keep saying that . Twice now .

  • Anonymous

    What a Ding Dong!

  • SammyC

    No the country that Americans are flooding to for jobs that are also getting healthcare and leaving their guns at home because people simply don’t like to kill each other up here. That country.

  • cdnhawk

    to quote Rick Perry….oops

  • cdnhawk

    yeah that country…..Tim Horton’s Coffee…roll up the rim to win

  • Tony

    The country with less corruptíon and crime, but with more freedom and better health care system and education systems.

  • ceeza

    The only people dumber than her are the people who donate money to her campaign.. 

  • stephen rhymer

    more people were killed during the firebombing of Tokyo than were killed after the atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    Bachman is yelling to her base.  someone needs to tell her waterboarding is illegal in the US. 

    Better yet, someone needs to tell her she’s an ineffective congressperson with no record who will most certainly not be elected president.

    it’s sad that this lot of Republican presidential wannabe’s represent the best the GOP has to offer our country. 

  • SammyC

    The country whose citizens don’t have to sell their homes for half of what they paid for them because they have to pay for medical bills they thought their HMO would cover. That country.

  • Inquiring Mind

    I am quite certain that the Aboriginal / First Nations people of Canada would disagree with you .
    Know what I mean , Vern?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Adkins/1585417987 Bill Adkins

    You can’t fix stupid thus there’s no fix for Bachmann.  Here’s a site for BATshit CRAzy to peruse

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html 

    The United States knows quite a bit about waterboarding. The U.S. government — whether acting alone before domestic courts, commissions and courts-martial or as part of the world community — has not only condemned the use of water torture but has severely punished those who applied it.
    After World War II, we convicted several Japanese soldiers for waterboarding American and Allied prisoners of war. At the trial of his captors, then-Lt. Chase J. Nielsen, one of the 1942 Army Air Forces officers who flew in the Doolittle Raid and was captured by the Japanese, testified: “I was given several types of torture. . . . I was given what they call the water cure.” He was asked what he felt when the Japanese soldiers poured the water. “Well, I felt more or less like I was drowning,” he replied, “just gasping between life and death.”
    Nielsen’s experience was not unique. Nor was the prosecution of his captors. After Japan surrendered, the United States organized and participated in the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, generally called the Tokyo War Crimes Trials. Leading members of Japan’s military and government elite were charged, among their many other crimes, with torturing Allied military personnel and civilians. The principal proof upon which their torture convictions were based was conduct that we would now call waterboarding.”

  • SammyC

    The country that just offered to set you up with 20-50,000 great paying jobs that your gov’t punted on. That country. How am i doing?

  • Inquiring Mind

    That’s still not ringing a bell .
     
    I have heard though of a place somewhere north ( I think) with a housing bubble of its own about to burst , and a Crown Corporation (CMHC) that has backed those mortages to the tune of 1.3 trillion dollars .

  • Anonymous

    It time for Bachmann to go.  He analogies are so unpresidential.  Comparing a decision to drop an A-bomb to waterboarding is someting a 10 year old would come up with.

  • Anonymous

    She is a wife and mother who has elected to run for president.  Once you step in that arena you become the target of abuse of all types.  Just ask Obama and Bush. 

  • Inquiring Mind

    The Obama administration estimated 5,000 to 6,000 construction jobs. Some other estimates are higher.

    Obama, jobs, and the Keystone XL pipeline

    How are you doing ?

    I ‘d say your given to exageration.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I find your language highly offensive.

  • SammyC

    The country that has 3 of the top 5 most liveable cities (Vancouver, Calgary, Toronto) in the world and according to Forbes the best country in the world to do business. One more important thing, the country that would never in a million years elect a batshit crazy religious nutcase like Michelle Bachmann for any political office. THAT COUNTRY!

  • Anonymous

    This kind of talk would make her more popular with the GOP base. They take delight in their ignorance.

  • Inquiring Mind

    Still not helping SammyC .

    I have heard of a place near to the US though that has an aging population , an inverted workforce ( more retired than working ) , has its professionals leaving in droves and trillions of dollars in unfunded liabilities for its shrinking , aging population will have to pay for .

    I suspect SammyC , that you are not really from this magical place that you describe .

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    Bachmann’s analogy is way off!! Bombs were dropped because Japan wasn’t going to surrender and an invasion could have cost us hundreds of thousand of American soldier’s lives!!

    The CIA has proven when you torture someone, they will give out any information just to have the torturing stop, whether the information is true or not… and the vast majority of the time it’s not!!

  • Y’Know , Cause It’s True

    You quote headlines and factoids like a tourist .

  • Anonymous

    Canada is a lot like the USA, but without all the guns. It does have a single-payer health system, cheaper prescription drugs, gender-neutral marriage. It has a lower unemployment rate than the US, and its colourful money continues to flirt with parity to the US dollar. It is the birthplace of, amongst others, Nathan Fillion and Ryan Gosling. It also has colder winters, and is the namesake for all those geese pooping in the parks.

  • Irish189

    Ok Bachmann lets reference WWII

    Did she know that after WWII was over the United States hanged the Japanese as war criminals for, among other things, waterboarding

    just saying it pays to be informed, and as a lawyer she may want to brush up on the legalities also, I recommend the United Nations Convention against Torture and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, both of which the US signed on to

  • Anonymous

    RINO!!

  • FreeMike

    The one that has a Conservative Party government for the past 5 years.

  • Anonymous

    Thom Friedman “left-of-center” columnist? Only if you follow the conventional wisdom of the Villagers. Otherwise, no.

  • Bob Uda

    Amen!  Truman was right to nuke Japan, and Michele Bachmann is right about waterboarding.  Waterboarding is NOT torture!  I’ll show you what torture is.  Waterboarding is kids play as compared to torture.  Idiots!

  • Anonymous

    I’m a victim of your language and feel violated. Therefore I’m due a large monetary settlement similar to that of a sexual harrassment claim.

  • http://brianomalley1776.blogspot.com/ Brian O’Malley

    Bob Uda:

    Waterboarding a torture technique, for which a Texas sheriff and several deputies were prosecuted in federal court in 1983: Please read the description of the “water torture” used here to recent descriptions of what is now called “waterboarding.”  http://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/02/us/around-the-nation-two-witnesses-describers00.2torture-by-texas-sheriff.html?scp=4&sq=water+torture&st=nyt

    Please also consult the article by Judge Evan Wallach, “Drop by Drop: Forgetting the History of Water Torture in U.S. Courts,” Columbia Journal of Transnational Law Vol. 45 (2007): 494-501. Wallach is a veteran of the Nevada National Guard, where he served in Judge Advocate General Corps.  
    Thanks.

  • http://brianomalley1776.blogspot.com/ Brian O’Malley

    Waterboarding is a torture technique, for which a Texas sheriff and several
    deputies were prosecuted in federal court in 1983: Please read the description
    of the “water torture” used here to recent descriptions of what is
    now called “waterboarding.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/02/us/around-the-nation-two-witnesses-describers00.2torture-by-texas-sheriff.html

    Please also consult
    the article by Judge Evan Wallach, “Drop by Drop: Forgetting the History
    of Water Torture in U.S. Courts,” Columbia Journal of Transnational Law
    Vol. 45 (2007): Pages 494-501. Wallach is a veteran of the Nevada National
    Guard, where he served in Judge Advocate General Corps.  

    You can also view a shortened version of Wallach’s argument in his Op-Ed for The Washington Post, “Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime” (4 Nov. 2007): http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html
    Thanks.

  • http://brianomalley1776.blogspot.com/ Brian O’Malley

    Waterboarding is a torture technique, for which a Texas sheriff and several
    deputies were prosecuted in federal court in 1983: Please read the description
    of the “water torture” used here to recent descriptions of what is
    now called “waterboarding.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/02/us/around-the-nation-two-witnesses-describers00.2torture-by-texas-sheriff.html

    Please also consult
    the article by Judge Evan Wallach, “Drop by Drop: Forgetting the History
    of Water Torture in U.S. Courts,” Columbia Journal of Transnational Law
    Vol. 45 (2007): Pages 494-501. Wallach is a veteran of the Nevada National
    Guard, where he served in Judge Advocate General Corps.  

    You can read an abbreviate version of Wallach’s argument in his Op-Ed for The
    Washington Post, “Waterboarding Used to Be a Crime” (4 Nov. 2007) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/02/AR2007110201170.html
    Thanks.

  • http://brianomalley1776.blogspot.com/ Brian O’Malley

    In 1983, a Texas sheriff and several deputies were prosecuted in federal
    court for what they did to several inmates.  Please read the description of
    the “water torture” the deputies used to recent descriptions of what
    is now called “waterboarding.”
    http://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/02/us/around-the-nation-two-witnesses-describers00.2torture-by-texas-sheriff.html

  • Anonymous

    On a similar topic, which I didn’t notice on Mediaite today:  

    I would just like to remind everyone, about Newt Gingrich’s crucifixion of the “Cheshire Cat,” (Scott Pelley) when Gingrich clarified the realities of “enemy combatants,” at the recent Republican debate.Mr. Pelley asked his question, then leaned back, a glorious “gotcha” smirk on his face as Pelley thought he had Gingrich cornered.  Then, Mr. Gingrich made an accurate and practical explanation of the exigencies of war and peace, resulting in Mr. Pelley’s, GRIN and all, disappear into liberal etherea…The Purveyor of Rhetoric

  • Anonymous

    Mr. O’Malley,

    Is there a difference between interrogation and torture?

    I suggest that “torture” is merely sport, entertainment if you will?  Whereas “interrogation” has a purpose, i.e., to extract information?  Ergo, the two are really quite different.

    Are you and your like minded compatriots actually asserting that American Agents, enjoyed themselves when they “water boarded” Khalid Sheik Muhammed?  That is a hell of an accusation coming from someone who sleeps under a blanket of security, that other America’s provide you.

    In fact, some might call your behavior cowardice?

    Purveyor

  • Tony

    Nah you’re worthless. We should waterboard you.

  • Concerned Citizen

    So we can’t waterboard them but drones can blow the crap out of them? Great logic there libbies.

  • http://brianomalley1776.blogspot.com/ Brian O’Malley

    Dear Purveyor1:

    You ask, “Is there a difference between interrogation and torture?”

    You want to make a distinction between coolly using a torture technique to get info from using the same torture technique for gratifying the sadism of the contractor using it.  No, I think the technique is a crime.  

    Please reexamine the Texas case: The deputies used basically the same technique, and it was ostensibly to get information on unsolved crimes (generally, burglaries).  When a defense attorney told jurors that a district attorney and other law enforcement officials authorized the torture, the judge interrupted.   

    The New York Times reported, “Federal District Judge James DeAnda immediately told the jury…that no officer had the right to torture anyone to get information about property.”  http://www.nytimes.com/1983/09/08/us/ex-sheriff-s-deputy-denies-inmate-tortures.html?scp=1&sq=%22torture+was+authorized+by+the+District+Attorney+and+other+county+law-enforcement+officials%2C%22&st=nyt

    These defendants claimed only to want information on crimes.  Nevertheless, jurors found them guilty and the judge sentenced the sheriff to ten years in prison.  http://www.nytimes.com/1983/10/27/us/ex-sheriff-given-10-year-sentence.html?scp=2&sq=deanda&st=nyt

  • Anonymous

    No kidding. She also forgets that it’s the US that pretty much rebuilt Japan after those bombings.

  • Anonymous

    I agree…but it would still be illegal. Just like I think child rapists should be tortured to death slowly by the families of their victims. But….it’s illegal.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. O’MALLEY,

    Nice to make your acquaintance.Given the information I have on the case you proffer, I agree with the conviction and the subsequent prison sentence.  These conclusion’s may seem at odds with my philosophical bent regarding torture and interrogation, however, not really!My comment was/is based on the premise, ergo, “Illegal combatants” and if the y should be accorded Constitutional “privileges and immunities.”  The Texas criminals were “criminals,” NOT “illegal combatants?”  Hence, a serious distinction must be made.Your subject matter is interesting, even fascinating, but, not germane.  In fact, I could be argue such is ‘non sequitur’?  Regardless, your comment is tangential, thus, adding “spice” to the dialogue.  However, the dichotomy I suggest lends credibility to the use of interrogation (enhanced) for “illegal combatant’s.”Someone once said… Quote: “The Constitution is not a suicide pact”Liberals can’t make that reasoned connection.  Socialists don’t care, they only want to win!Purveyor  

  • Anonymous

    M. O”MALLEY,

    Nice to make your acquaintance.

    My question and comment about “torture” versus “interrogation” was/is germane to the topic, i.e., “illegal combatants” and if those individuals should be accorded Constitutional protections?

    Your comment, pertains to criminals, who have committed crimes within the borders of the United States, and if those individual’s should be accorded “due process of law?” (not tortured for ANY reason)

    The dichotomy is really quite simple, unfortunately the liberal’s are incapable of reason and the Socialist’s don’t care, as long as they win!

    Someone once said: “The Constitution is NOT a suicide pact.”

    Purveyor

  • Bob Uda

    The politicians (both parties) changed the real definition of the word torture.  They make torture a misnomer, when they call waterboarding torture.  Here is real torture:  http://members.beforeitsnews.com/story/152/821/Progressives_Do_Not_Understand_Torture.html?currentSplittedPage=0.
    We cannot discuss torture intelligently if on the one hand people has the new definition of torture.  However, we can discuss it intelligently if we use the definition of torture used by torturers in the Far East.  They know what real torture is all about.  Read the article.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Carl-Ludwig/100000464586475 Carl Ludwig

    Our special forces are all waterboarded…and not a word from liberals. Apparently, liberals care far more for murderers, rapists, and terrorists than they do for our military men and women. (like this is a surprise)
    The point is, these times call for different measures. We no longer fight a uniformed enemy. We found cowards that hide among us and behind women and children.
    Why is it that the left only fights their political enemies to win? When it comes to America they know only defeat and surrender.
    So go ahead morons, keep protesting enhanced interrogation even as you jubilantly cheer the death of the innocent unborn.

  • Anonymous

    Geez, you guys are so focused on what she said. Not one comment on her lovely hair which I thought was fing awesome! I think she is a real babe. Ditto Palin. What a great figure! How many of you ultra libs would want to do Hillary? Yeah, I hear you. Me either.Let’s keep it real, eh?

  • Bob Uda
  • http://brianomalley1776.blogspot.com/ Brian O’Malley

    Dear Live_News: We should not think of detainees as lower than ourselves.  As retired Army Colonel Stuart Herrington said, based on three decades of interrogation and counterinsurgency experience, “In interrogation centers I ran, we called prisoners ‘guests.’…” 

    http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/07294/826876-109.stm 
    As World War II veteran Frank Gibney recalled, in a statement for his son’s film “Taxi to the Dark Side,” US interrogators treated Japanese prisoners with respect.  http://harpers.org/archive/2008/02/hbc-90002307     As you no doubt know, Japanese forces were subject to religious indoctrination and were notorious for atrocities towards captives and civilians.

  • Bob Uda

    Are you Asian?  Speak for your self buddy.  I’m Asian and agree with Bachmann.

  • Bob Uda

    Harry Truman was right, period!  Japan would have not surrendered if Truman did not nuke them.  Truman saved a million more U.S. lives.  No Asian would vote for her?  False!  BTW, are you an Asian?  I’m an Asian, and she would be much better than the current meathead in office.  He kills U.S. citizens without even reading them their Miranda Rights.  He is the worst president ever.

  • jeffrey melton

    Libs argue against water boarding but praise a president who targets U.S. citizens for execution.

  • Anonymous

    An incredibly ignorant creature is she!

  • http://brianomalley1776.blogspot.com/ Brian O’Malley

    Dear Purveyor:

    Thank you for the kind response and thanks for raising important distinctions.  

    In the 1983 federal case, the sheriff and deputies were charged with violating the civil rights of inmates, people who were, as you remark, Americans.  

    In “Drop by Drop,” Evan Wallach is also careful to make another distinction introducing the testimony of United States veteran Chase Jay Nielsen.  Nielsen’s former-captor was charged with (among other things) using false evidence, namely false confessions.  

    The charge was not torture.  Instead, the charge was using false confessions.  The charges had an interesting implication, because the charges assumed that the confession were false because of they were obtained.  They were, in fact, obtained after Americans were subjected to torments that included a version of the technique now called “waterboarding.”  

    The natures of the charges are, indeed, very important.  The implications are probably also important.  

    I do not think the legal status of a person should diminish our moral and civic obligation to treat people in our custody or care with kindness and generosity.  This may no doubt seem as a digression from the technical issues you have raised.  

    Thank you again for your remarks.  

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Lewis-Dahl/1279390256 Charles Lewis Dahl

    I find you to be a stupid fucking asshole.

  • Anonymous

    CARL,

    You were doing fine, making a reasoned and coherent assertion about Liberal inconsistency and “water boarding.”

    And then, you just couldn’t resist that last sentence, that was/is completely irrelevant to the discussion, but, says volumes about your proclivities and bias?  Effectively, CARL, in one sentence, all you gained was lost?

    “Beware when pursuing the monster, (CARL) lest he become you.”   Nietzsche

    Purveyor

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Lewis-Dahl/1279390256 Charles Lewis Dahl

    Sammy is ROCKING !, my Father was an born & raised in Canada to American Parents, that whole side of my family still live in Canada (mostly in Winnipeg) I’m born & raised in Wisconsin after my Father came back to the states in his 20s & I can say that Canada is WAY better than the U.S.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Lewis-Dahl/1279390256 Charles Lewis Dahl

    Inquiring Mind ?………thats for certain.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Lewis-Dahl/1279390256 Charles Lewis Dahl

    Like you really know everything about all the Presidents since the beginning…..what a foolish statement you made.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-Lewis-Dahl/1279390256 Charles Lewis Dahl

    Oh yeah, you’ll show us what torture is alright,…….I’d shove your head right up your ass.

  • Anonymous

    Correction: One dumb Asian would vote for Bachmann. There.

  • Bob Uda

    Your typical progressive/statist language leaves a lot to be desired and is unbecoming of you.  Your mother should have washed your mouth with soap.  With a sophisticated name line yours, your behavior sure does not appear to be sophisticated but rather earthy.  I would suggest some introspective thinking.  BTW, where do you live (city and state will do)?

  • Bob Uda

    Your comments run true to form, i.e., earthy.  You need some lessons on etiquette and manners.  You certainly would be a much more likeable person if you would show mutual respect.  However, apparently, you do not know what that word means.  If we all were as intelligent as you, there would probably not be so many problems in the world.  I would suspect you are also a closet racist, correct?

  • Bob Uda

    You are a frapping racist!  You must be a progressive Marxist-socialist.

  • SammyC

    Exactly FreeMike and gay marriage is still legal, abortion is still legal, we still separate church from state, gays still serve openly in the military. Our conservatives are basically Democrats. Republicans are an extreme party up here.

  • Anonymous

    Okay Bubba. Guffaw.

  • Anonymous

    I was disappointed that Bachmann did not have a story about an imaginary constituent who approached her after an event and told her the virtues of waterboarding

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_XL374DFQBZU5ZXUEADTAEQ7KGM Thomas

    The powerful do what they want. Lies, extortion, theft, torture and murder are all the same to them.

  • Anonymous

    Congresswoman Michele Bachmann is a strong, independent, intelligent, attractive, articulate, powereful and accomplished conservative woman.  She has been slected by Forbes Magazine as one of the 100 most powerful women in the world.  She is ranked number 22, behind Oprah (14), Michelle Obama (8) and Hillary (2).  She also has been selected by Time Magazine as one of the 100 most influential Americans, male or female.  This terrifies the liberals who prefer their women either to be “left wing kooks” or women who remain quiet, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.  Michele is everything that Gloria Steinham and the “Womens Libbers” told us four decades ago that every woman should be.  She has an outstanding education, a husband, a family and a phenominally successful career.  She has it all!  She is a great role model for American women!

  • Anonymous

    Although I do not approve of waterboarding, I would love for Michele Bachmann to waterborad me any hour of the day or night provided we were the only two people in the room! 

  • Anonymous

    Japan had every opportunity to surrender and refused to do it.  We later found out after the war was over that their were elements in the government of Japan which wanted to surrender especially after the first bomb was dropped on Auigust 6, 1945.  The hawks prevailed and President Truman made the only decision he could have.  We need President Truman today!

  • Anonymous

    If only we could have a bi-partisan ticket in 2012 consisting of Harry Truman for President and Michele Bachmann for Vice-President.  Harry was born too early!

  • Anonymous

    In High School I would call her a beautiful sensuous chick!

  • Anonymous

    She did!  She read Dick Cheney’s memoir entitled “In My Time.”  It is a great read!

  • Anonymous

    Truman had people tried and sent to prison for water torture: http://2008election.procon.org/pdf/asano_case.pdf

    Once again Michelle Bachmann is an imbecile.

  • Anonymous

    Try telling that to Matsuo Komai, a Japanese officer who was tried by the Allies for water torturing prisoners in WW2.

    It might be difficult though, since the Allies (Britain, US, Australia) hanged him.

  • Anonymous

    Funny she links water boarding to WW2 Japan. We hung Japanese troops by the neck for water boarding American troops. Seems it was a international crime back then.

  • cma cma

    The real objection to waterboarding by the Demented Defeatist Left is that waterboarding is effective.

  • Anonymous

    How do the “tea” swine pay themselves?

  • Anonymous

    Bachmann terrifies the liberal sooo much that we pray every day you clowns are blind enough to make her your candidate. Please, please make this strong role model your candidate. If you don’t she may have to go back to her successful business that “we” helped pay for, while she tells you “rubes” that she doesn’t support such programs!

  • Anonymous

    As a conservative, I can honestly say that since Hillary has let her hair grow long, she has become beautiful and sesuous!  I would definitely not kick her out of bed!  My dream is to be kidnapped for weeks and molested by Hillary, Sarah and Michele! (P.S. If Sandra Bullock, Anne Hathaway and Scarlett Johansson want to join them, that would be OK too!)

  • http://brianomalley1776.blogspot.com/ Brian O’Malley

    Dear Bob, I have opened and perused both pages of the item you posted, an item that disputes the “new” definition of torture.  Thank you.  I would very much like to address the “old” definition of torture, if by “old” we mean before 9/11/2001.  

    In a sworn statement, J. L. Wilson, The Right Revered Lord Bishop of Singapore, described what he considered “torture” committed by the Japanese.  Bishop Wilson testified, “There were two forms of water torture.  In the first, the victim was tied or held down on his back and cloth placed over his nose and mouth.  Water was then poured on the cloth.”

    So far in this affidavit, what you consider the “old” version of torture is the “new” “technique” of waterboarding. (Reliable sources assure us there is nothing new under the sun.)  

    Eventually, in Bishop Wilson’s testimony, this first form of water torture included an element of the torturers exploiting the excessive intake of water itself, an element not included in the descriptions of “waterboarding.”   As the Bishop testified, the victim “was then beaten over his distended stomach, sometimes a Japanese jumped on his stomach, or sometimes pressed on it with his foot.”

    This is from the affidavit of J. L. Wilson, The Right Reverend Lord Bishop of Singapore, admitted as Prosecution Exhibit 1519A, Dec. 16, 1946, International Military Tribunal for the Far East Record, note 25, at 12,935, as quoted in Wallach, “Drop by Drop: Forgetting the History of Water Torture in U.S. Courts,” Columbia Journal of Transnational Law, Vol. 45 (2007), page 491.  

  • http://brianomalley1776.blogspot.com/ Brian O’Malley

    The New York Times reported (or alleged, if you prefer) that Lieutenant Colonel Thomas D. Harrison was “tortured with the ‘water treatment’ by Communist North Koreans.”

    What did this torture include?  In the officer’s own words, “They would bend my head back, put a towel over my face and pour water over the towel.”
    http://query.nytimes.com/search/sitesearch?query=%22tortured+with+the+water+treatment%22&more=date_all
    Also quoted in Wallach, “Drop by Drop,” page 473, note 22.

  • http://brianomalley1776.blogspot.com/ Brian O’Malley

    I, too, posted items twice (or more) to the thread when they did not immediately appear.  I am glad to learn I was not the only one.  Thank you.  

  • http://brianomalley1776.blogspot.com/ Brian O’Malley

    Bill Maher did not condemn the assassination/murder/killing of bin Laden, but Maher defended one perspective from which both the targeted killings & mistreatment of captives could be condemned.  Thanks
    http://www.hbo.com/real-time-with-bill-maher/index.html#/real-time-with-bill-maher/episodes/0/213-episode/video/clip-new-rule-thy-will-be-gun.html/eNrjcmbOUM-PSXHMS8ypLMlMDkhMT-VLzE3VLMtMSc2HiTrn55WkVpQw5zMXsjGyMXIyMrJJJ5aW5BfkJFbalhSVpgIAVj4XOA==

  • Anonymous

    Ha! Underneath that gorgeous hair is a formidable intellect: 

    Am I the only Merican to want $2 gas?

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