It’s not the messenger Barry, it’s the previous behavior of yours. Pretty simple really.

Well, the internet is not to blame. It’s just that because of bias and ignorance people are willing to believe rumors without checking for themselves.

timzank said:
It’s not the messenger Barry, it’s the previous behavior of yours. Pretty simple really.

right, he acted all Muslimy and stuff.

CosmosDan said:
right, he acted all Muslimy and stuff.

Dudes got a checkered past man, not my fault.

the point is who cares, its a free country, worship who ,what, nothing, its up to them

timzank said:
Dudes got a checkered past man, not my fault.

Which has nothing to do with people perceiving him as Muslim.

So why does he bow to Islamic leaders?

CosmosDan said:
Which has nothing to do with people perceiving him as Muslim.

Sure it does. He’s had a lifetime of close ties to muslims, he even has a huge wing of his family that are muslims.

I thought Fox News was to blame. So okay. It’s Fox, and the internet.

How can anyone think that a guy who was born a Muslim and went to school as a Muslim in Indonesia is a Muslim ? So he’s either a follower of Jeremiah Wright or a Muslim ? … Nice research , lamestream media .

He’s hiding a lot of stuff , not that it matters now .
He’s got a Connecticut SS # first issued to a man who is now dead . They don’t reuse them . If any reporter axes about it , they say ” Birther ! ” . There are prizes waiting to be won by a good journalist who would quietly look into Obama . So , if someone at Mediaite knows a good journalist , maybe they could pass along this idea .

timzank said:
Sure it does. He’s had a lifetime of close ties to muslims, he even has a huge wing of his family that are muslims.

Then ya toss in the close ties to real terrorists (ayers) and what do you expect?

Ricia said:
So why does he bow to Islamic leaders?

Because he wants to show respect?

I never understood the faux pas of a world leader bowing to another. And it’s not like he was groveling on his hands and knees.

timzank said:
Sure it does. He’s had a lifetime of close ties to muslims, he even has a huge wing of his family that are muslims.

No, you said “previous behavior” in your first post and “checkered past” in your 2nd. What about his previous behavior would indicate he’s a Muslim, to anyone that made a slight effort to find out the truth. Having Muslim family that he rarely saw, or having attended a Muslim school as a child does not fall under a checkered past does it?

Obama is no Muslim, just a corporatist crook.

you people talk like being muslim is bad, relax a little, free country remember

timzank said:
Then ya toss in the close ties to real terrorists (ayers) and what do you expect?

I expect people to be smarter than to buy into every thing they hear or read on some blog , but sadly, if you want to believe every negative thing you hear or read, you probably won’t bother with the facts or sound reasoning.

CosmosDan said:
Having Muslim family that he rarely saw, or having attended a Muslim school as a child

These two can obviously raise the concerns, plus the fact that he made the comment “…my Muslim faith” with George S. duirng an interview. He admits that he misspoke but it clearly was ammo for the conspiracy theorists.

I mean, I believe he is a Christian, at least now, but there are plenty of points that people can take to question such faith.

It’s Fox News and Republican pundits in general, Mr President.

I thought he spent 20 years in Rev. Wright’s church. Nothing Muslim about that.

And Obama’s former pastor being best friends with black Muslim Louis Farrakhan may have added to the confusion.

Some_Dude said:
It’s Fox News and Republican pundits in general, Mr President.

I believe he’s a Christian but he did say “my muslim faith…” on TV. Just saying. Could you imagine if Sarah Palin said that? Mediaite, aka Paliniaite, would be posting 30 articles about that.

More Liberty said:
I believe he’s a Christian but he did say “my muslim faith…” on TV. Just saying. Could you imagine if Sarah Palin said that? Mediaite, aka Paliniaite, would be posting 30 articles about that.

It would just be looked at as a gaffe, as it can’t be construed in a way that makes her look misinformed (like the North Korea comment).

These “peculiar” issues surrounding the president’s faith are only provocative if you allow cognitive bias to kick in and reject anything disconfirming to your conspiracy theory assumption that he is, in fact, a closet Muslim. Fox News and Republican pundits in general forward this erroneous assumption.

(and when I say “your”, I’m speaking generally, not to you specifically More Liberty)

CosmosDan said:
I expect people to be smarter than to buy into every thing they hear or read on some blog , but sadly, if you want to believe every negative thing you hear or read, you probably won’t bother with the facts or sound reasoning.

bill ayers wasn’t a terrorist? a huge faction of barry’s family isn’t muslim? barry’s dad wasn’t a muslim? My point is, peoples perceptions are based upon those FACTS, blaming the source for reporting those facts is pretty chicken shit isn’t it?

Mean old internet….

Fair point Some_Dude. These strange conspiracy theories are usually pretty funny.

ITS A SERIES OF TUBES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Antony Dupuy said:
ITS A SERIES OF TUBES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, Antony you are correct. However, there is a ton of garbage that flowes through those tubs. Most of that garbage has nothing to do with true facts.

Timzank,

Agreed, shouldn’t blame the source…

I find myself not believing anything anymore which kinda sucks.

He painted a picture of himself that has never held up to the facts. Whether he practices Islam or not (I don’t believe he does) he painted himself as a devout Christian, who never ever ever was Muslim or practiced the Muslim religion, and the facts prove otherwise. That’s where he gets into trouble.

The listing of Barry Soetoro as a Muslim contradicts what appears on his campaign’s Fight the Smears website, where he says that “I have never been a Muslim.” In a private meeting with Jewish leaders in February, Obama emphatically re-stated the claim, but with a bit of a twist, declaring: “I am not, nor have I ever been, a Muslim (especially an anti-American one).”

Barry Soetoro, Indonesian, religion: Islam
http://justgetthere.us/blog/uploads/ObamaRegistrationCrisp1.png

It doesn’t help when he refers to his “Muslim faith”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M&feature=player_embedded

Or that his teachers say he joined Muslim prayers at school
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/barack-obama-joined-muslim-prayers-at-school-teacher-says/story-e6frg6so-1225949239614

And slippery stories like these that surface, with his grandmother in one says she is Muslim, in another, says she is christian
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1982271/posts

His father was Muslim, which makes him Muslim by birth, according to islam.

And things like these, that conflict with what we’ve been told, don’t help:
Michelle refers to Obama being from kenya/a kenyan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M7Rp_Ghv6k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xx3-MGHFXkc

“Barack saw his mother, who was very young and very single when she had him, and he saw her work hard to complete her education and try to raise he and his sister.”
http://blog.showmeprogress.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=1297

And we know how well his “i’m a christian who attends this wonderful church every sunday at 11:30, yet i didn’t know all the crazy crap he was spewing” story turned out… and now attends church once every six months.

Wolffe told the audience Obama was using religion, specifically his church attendance to garner support for the various offices he held – from Illinois state senate, the U.S. senator and ultimately President.

“And my conclusion from talking to him and his friends was that the dirty secret of the Rev. Wright episode, which he couldn’t really explain, was that he actually really wasn’t much of a churchgoer.”

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2009/06/16/wolffe-president-missed-rev-wright-s-racist-rants-because-he-wasn-t-much-#ixzz16V7l0Iyx

It doesn’t help that almost his entire family is Muslim, his father and step father were Muslim.

But in my opinion, it’s his fault. He should have been more upfront about his upbringing and his Christian *faith* and actual church relationship, and these stories wouldn’t provide some kind of evidence that he lied about his past.

Liberals love the internet, as long as it can be used against everyone they don’t agree with. The second its working against THEM, its a problem.

In any case, saying on national tv “my Muslim faith”, probably has something to do with it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M

Along with the fact he attended a racist, anti-American church for 20 years, but then claimed he never heard any of it.

Michael Charles said:
I thought he spent 20 years in Rev. Wright’s church. Nothing Muslim about that.

Yeah, but he acted like he never saw or heard anything at the church. Leading people to believe he was only attending this church as subterfuge. Add on to that a mass media that did its best to not ask questions and cover up his past and you have a skeptical public.

Dronetek said:
Yeah, but he acted like he never saw or heard anything at the church.

Good point. What the hell was he doing at that church if he wasn’t listening to that bigot Wright scream and yell? I mean even Oprah stopped going because of Wrights hate message.

cjd ohio 1 said:
you people talk like being muslim is bad, relax a little, free country remember

It would only be bad if he obfuscates the issue.

I think a number of factors have contributed to people questioning his beliefs, including those cited above, and his pandering to Muslims.

At this point, however, two years into his presidency, the horse is already out of the barn. Leave it to Barbara Wawa to ask such timely questions….

That Barbara….she has a soft spot for married men of color in politics.
Did she ask Obama a basketball question?
I mean Rome is burning and we all want to know Baracks thoughts on LeBron James and the Miami heat.

Frances….is anyone at this hack sight gonna write about the Somali teen looking to kill lots of blue eyed devils in the name of Islam??

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/11/27/somali-born-teen-arrested-after-attempting-to-detonate-a-car-bomb-in-oregon/

sarainitaly said:
But in my opinion, it’s his fault. He should have been more upfront about his upbringing and his Christian *faith* and actual church relationship, and these stories wouldn’t provide some kind of evidence that he lied about his past.

And as we all know Sara, this would have made getting elected a whole lot tougher which is why the main stream media NEVER dug into his background or his claims, instead they cheered him on in unprecedented unison. (they’ve always been left leaning, but this was a whole new level of complicity between candidate and press)

When there is a article on here about Obama (or first family) everyone resorts to all of their negative information to put out there. I have often thought that in this great country that is known for freedom to practice whatever religion one chooses what difference does it make what religion the president practices. So Obama has run across some questionable people during his lifetime. Who here can’t identify with this? So you dislike the man’s politics fine but to go after him for anything else that is of no consequence is doing the very thing you conservatives preach. FREEDOM Unfortunately I won’t live long enough to see a athesist or gay president elected but it will happen. That is what makes this country so great.

I understand that people need an outlet for their hatred and here you have it thanks to the freedom of speech. I know that when a person is rigid in their thoughts no one or no facts to the contrary will change your opinions

So have fun battling back and forth trying to be “right”.

BlackWidow said:
Yes, Antony you are correct. However, there is a ton of garbage that flowes through those tubs. Most of that garbage has nothing to do with true facts.

What part of Barry’s past that I listed above do you dispute?

timzank said:
And as we all know Sara, this would have made getting elected a whole lot tougher which is why the main stream media NEVER dug into his background or his claims, instead they cheered him on in unprecedented unison. (they’ve always been left leaning, but this was a whole new level of complicity between candidate and press)

Just like the lamestream didn’t do their job on the Iraq war. Where were all the so called journalists who needed to be investigating about those facts?

BlackWidow said:
When there is a article on here about Obama (or first family) everyone resorts to all of their negative information to put out there. I have often thought that in this great country that is known for freedom to practice whatever religion one chooses what difference does it make what religion the president practices. So Obama has run across some questionable people during his lifetime. Who here can’t identify with this? So you dislike the man’s politics fine but to go after him for anything else that is of no consequence is doing the very thing you conservatives preach. FREEDOM Unfortunately I won’t live long enough to see a athesist or gay president elected but it will happen. That is what makes this country so great.
I understand that people need an outlet for their hatred and here you have it thanks to the freedom of speech. I know that when a person is rigid in their thoughts no one or no facts to the contrary will change your opinions
So have fun battling back and forth trying to be “right”.

Nobody reads a post longer than 7 lines. God you are old , can’t even remember your own snark.

timzank said:
What part of Barry’s past that I listed above do you dispute?

I was speaking in general about garbage flowing. I did not say anything about the president. If I say the sky is blue I can go to the internet and find tons of posts from people that will dispute that fact. Not many people take the time to decide of it is a repubtable site,

George C said:
Nobody reads a post longer than 7 lines. God you are old , can’t even remember your own snark.

You are right George. I need to practice what I preach. Thanks for reminding me that on occassion I tend to run at the mouth.

BlackWidow said:
Where were all the so called journalists who needed to be investigating about those facts?

Probably attending the same type of cocktail parties and ignoring the facts as they were when you guys were ramping up the Black Jesus for office.

Pointing out previous failures by the press certainly doesn’t it excuse it’s most recent dereliction of duty does it?

Judge Mental said:
It would only be bad if he obfuscates the issue. I think a number of factors have contributed to people questioning his beliefs, including those cited above, and his pandering to Muslims. At this point, however, two years into his presidency, the horse is already out of the barn. Leave it to Barbara Wawa to ask such timely questions….

Look I believe that he was born muslim. No dispute there. Many people are born to a religion and decide to leave that religion and practice another. No big deal.

Michael Charles said:
I thought he spent 20 years in Rev. Wright’s church. Nothing Muslim about that.

Maybe…

an old article (March 07) From TNR about Obama. It was written by Ryan Lizza, Senior editor at The New Republic. It’s a biographical piece, but in the article, it explicitly states that Jeremiah Wright is a former Muslim.

“After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright’s church. Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for “Buppies”–black urban professionals–and didn’t have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’”

http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/

More Liberty said:
I believe he’s a Christian but he did say “my muslim faith…” on TV. Just saying. Could you imagine if Sarah Palin said that? Mediaite, aka Paliniaite, would be posting 30 articles about that.

Being a muslim is about the same as the religion Palin preaches. Remember the witch doctor at her church. No sara I am not going to post a link. But if you are interested you can find one.

sarainitaly said:
Maybe… an old article (March 07) From TNR about Obama. It was written by Ryan Lizza, Senior editor at The New Republic. It’s a biographical piece, but in the article, it explicitly states that Jeremiah Wright is a former Muslim. “After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright’s church. Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for “Buppies”–black urban professionals–and didn’t have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity’s guiding principles–what the church calls the “Black Value System”–included a “Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.’” http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/04/07/jeremiah-wright-former-muslim/

For a women who claims to be a WOMAN OF THE WORLD you seem rather critical. Usually people that travel are more open to the differences in people then you are..

BlackWidow said:
For a women who claims to be a WOMAN OF THE WORLD you seem rather critical. Usually people that travel are more open to the differences in people then you are..

Psssst…..she’s being disingenuous. ;)

timzank said:
Probably attending the same type of cocktail parties and ignoring the facts as they were when you guys were ramping up the Black Jesus for office. Pointing out previous failures by the press certainly doesn’t it excuse it’s most recent dereliction of duty does it?

I am not making excuses for the press. I don’t think they need to be excused for doing a bad job then or now.

Obama listened to Wright for twenty years and was unaware he was racist. So even if Barry had been attending a mosque, he probably wouldn’t have been listening anyway.

More Liberty said:
Good point. What the hell was he doing at that church if he wasn’t listening to that bigot Wright scream and yell? I mean even Oprah stopped going because of Wrights hate message.

He may have belonged to that church but I don’t believe he attended on a regular basis. He doen’t go to church today on a regular basis.

Dronetek said:
Liberals love the internet, as long as it can be used against everyone they don’t agree with. The second its working against THEM, its a problem. In any case, saying on national tv “my Muslim faith”, probably has something to do with it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M Along with the fact he attended a racist, anti-American church for 20 years, but then claimed he never heard any of it.

That works both ways. Example sarainitaly.

BlackWidow said:
For a women who claims to be a WOMAN OF THE WORLD you seem rather critical. Usually people that travel are more open to the differences in people then you are..

BlackWidow said:
That works both ways. Example sarainitaly.

We should play cards sometime. LOL

Kudos again on your ability to type like a rabid chimp. You put all other 70 year old women with 50 year old childrens typing , and internet skills to shame . Maybe you could teach at the senior center ?

BlackWidow said:
He may have belonged to that church but I don’t believe he attended on a regular basis. He doen’t go to church today on a regular basis.

This is what is causing him trouble, he CLAIMED he went every week, and he also had both his daughters baptized which (in my experience) means he did attend regularly. I don’t know of many churchs that let the casual Christmas & Easter attenders get their kids baptized do you?

Point is, he’s blaming the iontern

BlackWidow said:
For a women who claims to be a WOMAN OF THE WORLD you seem rather critical. Usually people that travel are more open to the differences in people then you are..

When have I claimed to be a woman of the world?

Where am I critical?

How is pasting some facts/reports being critical? Please explain.

Where did I say I am not open to differences in people? I don’t care what religion ANYONE is. I am not religious, my husband is Catholic.

I thought Obama, when he first hit the national stage, in 2004, was a Muslim, because of his name, and I thought it was a good thing.

BlackWidow said:
That works both ways. Example sarainitaly.

Huh? What is this an example of, wrt me?

oops….to finish that sentence..The point is he is blaming the internet for his own behavior. It’s a classic “shoot the messenger” tactic.

Some_Dude said:
Psssst…..she’s being disingenuous. ;)

About what?

sarainitaly said:
About what?

You’re not Sara, but HE’S being obtuse!

President Obama has lied over and over. When he hasn’t lied he has obfuscated. All his records are hidden. Why? Think about it. Why? Obviously there is much to hide and much to speculate about given his insistence on hiding everything. He’s so brilliant. Right. So why hide your grades? He’s such an incredible speaking. Right. Why the two teleprompters even in an elementary school classroom. This guy is clearly hiding his background which is in itself dishonest. Because of that, I believe NOTHING he says.

BTW, did you know that Reverend Wright was a Muslim before he became a Christian? Google is your friend. If only a few “reporters” at Mediaite would bother to use it. But they have a very clear agenda and must cover for this guy until the end. They do not want you doing your own research and neither does this president. Now do you know why he hates the Internet? I do.

This is nothing but crap. No one thinks he’s a muslim, and he’s just dredging it up again because it makes him a victim. Although, like many blacks, he thinks islam is cool, because it pisses off white people.

There’s this guy that went to my high school a few years ahead of me. Bobby Moore. Changed his name to Ahmad Rashad. Why? Because he thought it was cool and it’s something that white people don’t do. He’s no more a muslim than I am, but his name solidifies his status as not white. This is why Soetoro chose to use his muslim name as an adult.

sarainitaly said:
About what?

“Well, I don’t think he’s a Muslim, buuuutt *deluge of links to anything that supports the conspiracy theory*

It’s cool Sara.

sarainitaly said:
When have I claimed to be a woman of the world? Where am I critical? How is pasting some facts/reports being critical? Please explain. Where did I say I am not open to differences in people? I don’t care what religion ANYONE is. I am not religious, my husband is Catholic. I thought Obama, when he first hit the national stage, in 2004, was a Muslim, because of his name, and I thought it was a good thing. Huh? What is this an example of, wrt me?

So sarainitaly as a screen name is not promoting the fact that you are a woman of the world. I apologize for reading that wrong. Sara people do not have to always state what they think. Sometimes it is just the appearance of what they say that tells the tale. So I am not a mind reader but if you study peoples words it gives you a little insight to the person. People think they are hiding behind anonymous names but their words tells a lot about who they are. You are a bright woman much smarter than I am but you waste that intelligence on here all the time.

Mr.Papshmer said:
This is nothing but crap. No one thinks he’s a muslim, and he’s just dredging it up again because it makes him a victim. Although, like many blacks, he thinks islam is cool, because it pisses off white people. There’s this guy that went to my high school a few years ahead of me. Bobby Moore. Changed his name to Ahmad Rashad. Why? Because he thought it was cool and it’s something that white people don’t do. He’s no more a muslim than I am, but his name solidifies his status as not white. This is why Soetoro chose to use his muslim name as an adult.

WOW so you are saying that if a person decides to believe in the muslim religion and changes their name to do that do it because they want to be COOL. I think that the fact that muslins are hated in this country would make that statement silly. Who makes a decision to become HATED?

BlackWidow said:
WOW so you are saying that if a person decides to believe in the muslim religion and changes their name to do that do it because they want to be COOL. I think that the fact that muslins are hated in this country would make that statement silly. Who makes a decision to become HATED?

I don’t know, all the hip kids are converting to Catholicism, maybe I will too to keep up with the trends. It’s today.

mickeymat said:
President Obama has lied over and over. When he hasn’t lied he has obfuscated. All his records are hidden. Why? Think about it. Why? Obviously there is much to hide and much to speculate about given his insistence on hiding everything. He’s so brilliant. Right. So why hide your grades? He’s such an incredible speaking. Right. Why the two teleprompters even in an elementary school classroom. This guy is clearly hiding his background which is in itself dishonest. Because of that, I believe NOTHING he says.

No one really cares what you believe. Least of all Obama. You mistake his self-esteem for arrogance. And to all who say he is an elitist well I say good for him. I think that speaks to how great our country is that minorities can become elitists.

George C said:
Nobody reads a post longer than 7 lines. God you are old , can’t even remember your own snark.

Oh my George. Looking back on this artical it seems I have been rather manic today. Bye

Why would someone think Obama is a Mohamadan?

Jan 19, 2009, Don’t you dare say Barack Hussein Obama, mm mmm mmm!

Noon, Jan 20, 2009, “I Barack Hussein Obama…”

Enuff sed?

Funny, most Americans blame the internet for getting him elected.

Hey, and don’t that Portland bomber look just like Wanda Sykes?

Some_Dude said:
I don’t know, all the hip kids are converting to Catholicism, maybe I will too to keep up with the trends. It’s today.

To paraphrase Ann Coulter, everyone should be Catholic.

U NO HOO said:
To paraphrase Ann Coulter, everyone should be Catholic.

Heh

U NO HOO said:
Hey, and don’t that Portland bomber look just like Wanda Sykes?

Hah, you’re on a roll man I want to subscribe to your news letter :)

BlackWidow said:
WOW so you are saying that if a person decides to believe in the muslim religion and changes their name to do that do it because they want to be COOL.

Yes, this is why most young, black American males convert to islam.

BlackWidow said:
I think that the fact that muslins are hated in this country would make that statement silly.

Many blacks already have a victimhood mentality, pounded into them from birth by race baiters, black ministers and community organizers, whose paychecks depend on racism, and so converting to islam is kind of like giving white people the finger, in their minds.

BlackWidow said:
Oh my George. Looking back on this artical it seems I have been rather manic today

You’re forgiven . You’re old, right ? LOL

Mr.Papshmer said:
Yes, this is why most young, black American males convert to islam.

Many blacks already have a victimhood mentality, pounded into them from birth by race baiters, black ministers and community organizers, whose paychecks depend on racism, and so converting to islam is kind of like giving white people the finger, in their minds.

The many African Americans I have worked with, who inspired me and taught me not only professional gems but also life lessons, have lucrative careers, and are not defined by their race or economic past, disagree with you.

So do my black relatives and friends, none of whom fit into your narrow stereotyping. Despite all of us coming from humble backgrounds.

You need to open your mind, Neo.

God do we live in a truely stupid nation. Obama’s a christian, even attended catholic school while in indonesia as a child. Why is there even a question? Oh, I answered that in my first sentence.

Some_Dude said:
The many African Americans I have worked with blah, blah …

You don’t get out much, do you?

Also, I have zero respect for anyone who uses Che and Lenin as their comment graphics. Anything you say is almost certainly a lie.

Unlike George Bush of the capitalist Christians, Barack Obama the Muslim believes in serving our men and women in uniform just like they served us, and ended the Bush-era “stop-loss” policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan longer than their enlistment date. Obama the Muslim put into place a new GI bill for returning veterans from Iraq and Afghanistan which eliminated co-payments for veterans who are catastrophically disabled. Nice Christian capitalist George’s co-payment system had them paying for their own injuries sustained in defense of the rich Christian’s blood oil.

Obama the Muslim also signed bill providing assistance for caregivers of veterans wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan. The Omnibus Bill offers the following: training, funding, and counseling for caregivers, promoting pilot childcare programs for women vets under treatment at the VA; independent oversight to prevent abuse; readjustment conunseling for national guard and reservist units, etc.

Obama the Muslim also ended the Christian Bush-era “black-out” imposed on media coverage of the return of fallen US soldiers. The media is now permitted top cover the story pending adherence to respectful rules and with the approval of the fallen soldiers’ family.

Now Obama the Muslim has to find a way to stop these patriotic Christians from protesting the funerals of our fallen GIs.

So much to add here!

First, let harsh punishment be meted out tio the person who came up with the sub-literate construction “for why” in the headline.

Second, there WAS a time when Barbara Walters was an actual journalist, not a pathetic celebrity suck-up, but that was long, long ago. Since the 1980s, at least, she has always been eager to give her guests a lot of softball questions, avoid follow-ups, and let guests claimn victim status. Remember, Walters is the one who ended an early interview with Bill Clinton by saying “Be gentle with us.” (Could she have had any idea what she was saying? No matter, he fucked us anyway.)

Third, Obama LOVES victim staus. The Crybaby-in-Chief has been told all his life that he was Special, and whenever there’s disagreement he either brands that person an enemy who must be punished or goes into Whine Mode because people are picking on him and he, poor boy, is defenseless.

Fourth, he’s an inveterate liar and obfuscator, and we don’t really know why–because he’s personally dishonest,. because he needs a distraction, because he wants to shut down debate?

Fifth, he’\s arrogant and thin-skinned, and sometimes he lies or won’t answer be cause his attitude is ‘who are you to question me?’ Of course, he MAY have something to hide.

The one thing he can hide is that he’s just not up to the job. He is nothing more than a community organizer and he always will be a community organizer. This is so obvious so often that I siomtimes think he was conned into running but unwise and/or untrustworthy friends.

Sixth. It’s a damn shame that he went on the show anyway, And on jon Stewarts, and on the View. Obama and other supposedly serious public firgure contribute mightily to the lowering of the tone of debarte when they pander in this way. It began (so far my personal experience goes) with Nixon appearing on Laugh-In in the ’60s or early ’70s, but it didn’t reach the srtatus of an infection until sometime after Bill Clinton was asked whether he wore boxers or briefs. And of course, he answered that quearions, thus validating prurient stupidity
‘as a new value in journalism. Which is why, about two terms later he got an equally ridiculous querstion for an ordinary Japanese citizen during his visit to Japan. Now I can symopathize here–”What would you like to ask the leader of the world’s most powerful nations?” is an unfair question Like “What 3 historical figures would you most like to have dinner with?” Not possible to answer either question without looking one way or anyther like a pompous fool. But the Japanese housewife beat the odds! She same up with a question that perfectly fit the situation and the person: “How did you tell your wife about Monica Zalinsky?” That’s where the office of the President of the US began is gutterward slide, to the point that one interviewer takes the Mickey out of him be calling him “Dide”, to the piont that, according to a Mediaite headline, “Michelle Obama Asked If She Wants Her Husband To Be A One-Term President.” Classy. Cute. “Yo, Ms O, First dude-ess–do you want your main squeeze to get canned?”

Seventh: If you still doubt that political debate in the US has become a hazmat blend of juvelilia and viciousness,. read attentively through the various personal attacked posted here and elswhere in Mediaite.

Mr.Papshmer said:
You don’t get out much, do you?

Also, I have zero respect for anyone who uses Che and Lenin as their comment graphics. Anything you say is almost certainly a lie.

If I used George W. Bush as my superficial avatar here, would that validate my opinions for you? :)

timzank said:
bill ayers wasn’t a terrorist? a huge faction of barry’s family isn’t muslim? barry’s dad wasn’t a muslim? My point is, peoples perceptions are based upon those FACTS, blaming the source for reporting those facts is pretty chicken shit isn’t it?

Only if you strip them of all shred of context: Things like the fact that Obama met his father only a single time and was raised completely by his mother… And Bill Ayers is about as close to Obama as the Bin Laden family was to the Bush family… If Ayers is a close advisor of Obama, then the former president is a honorary Bin Laden.

Maybe people have a hard time believing Obama because he was caught lying about his muslim past, and his devotion to muslim interests.

His people tells us he was never a muslim.

Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, And Is a Committed Christian
November 12, 2007

“Obama Spokesman Robert Gibbs Issued A Statement Explaining That “Senator Obama Has Never Been A Muslim, Was Not Raised As A Muslim, And Is A Committed Christian.”

http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/11/12/obama_has_never_been_a_muslim_1.php

But wait… His own website “barackobam.com” says He ‘was’ raised muslim, in Fact during his campaign he could recite the Arabic call-to-prayer with a first-rate accent.

Obama: Man of the World
The New York Times | March 06, 2007

”I was a little Jakarta street kid,” he said in a wide-ranging interview in his office. He once got in trouble for making faces during Koran study classes in his elementary school, but a president is less likely to stereotype Muslims as fanatics — and more likely to be aware of their nationalism — if he once studied the Koran with them.”

“Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed delightfully uncalculated (it’ll give Alabama voters heart attacks), Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as ”one of the prettiest sounds on Earth at sunset.”

http://www.barackobama.com/2007/03/06/obama_man_of_the_world.php

And which World Leader received the First Offical phone-call from newly-elected US President Barack Obama?

That would be Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas!

President Obama’s first call ‘was to President Abbas’
January 22, 2009

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article5563280.ece

The internet appears to be doing a much better job on honesty then Obama or the Media itself has.

Angstone said:
And Bill Ayers is about as close to Obama as the Bin Laden family was to the Bush family

I didn’t know that Bush held a fundraiser at bin Laden’s place. As Stan would say, “I learned something today.”

“The internet has a powerful effect these ways,” he told Walters, “so the way rumors can take up a life of their own ends up being very powerful.”

Some_Dude said:
“Well, I don’t think he’s a Muslim, buuuutt *deluge of links to anything that supports the conspiracy theory*

No, I believe I provided a long list of factual reasons as to why people think Obama is Muslim, putting the blame on him, not on the so called rumors that end up on the internet.

BlackWidow said:
sarainitaly said:
When have I claimed to be a woman of the world? Where am I critical? How is pasting some facts/reports being critical? Please explain. Where did I say I am not open to differences in people? I don’t care what religion ANYONE is. I am not religious, my husband is Catholic. I thought Obama, when he first hit the national stage, in 2004, was a Muslim, because of his name, and I thought it was a good thing. Huh? What is this an example of, wrt me?

So sarainitaly as a screen name is not promoting the fact that you are a woman of the world. I apologize for reading that wrong. Sara people do not have to always state what they think. Sometimes it is just the appearance of what they say that tells the tale. So I am not a mind reader but if you study peoples words it gives you a little insight to the person. People think they are hiding behind anonymous names but their words tells a lot about who they are. You are a bright woman much smarter than I am but you waste that intelligence on here all the time.

No, it is my screen name, it says that I am in Italy. I am.

You said, “For a women who claims to be a WOMAN OF THE WORLD you seem rather critical. Usually people that travel are more open to the differences in people then you are..” You made accusations here, you said I claim to be things I never claimed, and accused me of being critical and closed minded towards people who aren’t like me. You admit you aren’t a mind reader, so perhaps you should quit trying to play one here at Mediaite?

I don’t hide behind anonymity. I am quite open and transparent on my blog. (although a little less so now, since the attacks and threats from Obamabots) I use my real name, and my location, and my real photos.

You, however?

sarainitaly said:
No, it is my screen name, it says that I am in Italy. I am.

You said, “For a women who claims to be a WOMAN OF THE WORLD you seem rather critical. Usually people that travel are more open to the differences in people then you are..” You made accusations here, you said I claim to be things I never claimed, and accused me of being critical and closed minded towards people who aren’t like me. You admit you aren’t a mind reader, so perhaps you should quit trying to play one here at Mediaite?

I don’t hide behind anonymity. I am quite open and transparent on my blog. (although a little less so now, since the attacks and threats from Obamabots) I use my real name, and my location, and my real photos.

You, however?

Regarding your previous replay to my comment: fair enough, apologies. I was being a bit too presumptive there.

Regarding the quoted text: shame you’ve been griefed because of your political leaning and opinions, but don’t let that affect how vocal or expressive you are. Don’t let the brow beating affect you.

Mr.Papshmer said:
I didn’t know that Bush held a fundraiser at bin Laden’s place. As Stan would say, “I learned something today.”

He didn’t, but then again, Bill Ayers didn’t help bankroll an Oil company for a young Obama like Salem Bin Laden (brother to Osama) did for a young George Bush. Obama also never has done a single favor for Bill Ayers, unlike the special flight that was arranged by the White House on 9/12/2001 to get all US based Bin Ladens out of the US, even over the objection of the FBI who wanted to delay them for extended questioning.

If you want to get angry over Obama’s loose connection to Bill Ayers, be my guest – But if you do, you probably should be irate over how close the last president was to the Bin Laden family.

Angstone said:
Only if you strip them of all shred of context: Things like the fact that Obama met his father only a single time and was raised completely by his mother… And Bill Ayers is about as close to Obama as the Bin Laden family was to the Bush family… If Ayers is a close advisor of Obama, then the former president is a honorary Bin Laden.

Obama denied their past, saying Ayers was “just a guy in his neighborhood”.
http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/the-obama-ayers-connection/

Obama served on a board with former Weather Underground member William Ayers and “that relationship with Mr. Ayers on this board continued after 9/11.”
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/apr/16/hillary-clinton/obama-served-on-board-with-ayers/

Obama and Ayers appeared together on a panel about juvenile justice organized by Michelle Obama on November 20, 1997:
http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/971106/justice.shtml

Barack Obama’s review of William Ayers’ book
http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=64

Obama minimized his relationship by acknowledging only that he knows Ayers. But they have quite a bit more of a connection than that. He’s appeared on panels with Ayers, served on a foundation board with him and held a 1995 campaign event at the home of Ayers and his wife, fellow former terrorist Bernardine Dohrn. Ayers even gave money to one of his campaigns.
Obama and Ayers voted to give $75,000 to Rashid Khalidi, a Yasser Arafat protege in the PLO, during their tenure with the Woods Foundation.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/21/why-the-obama-ayers-connection-matters/

Some_Dude said:
Don’t let the brow beating affect you.

I try not to. ;O)

Some_Dude said:
Regarding your previous replay to my comment: fair enough, apologies. I was being a bit too presumptive there.

cool. :O)

Sara,

I don’t think any of those things depict a close relationship between the two. Appearing on a panel together isn’t exactly a tight political alliance. The 1995 campaign event may indeed have been a little tone deaf, but I defy you to find a GOP presidential candidate for 2012, or a past GOP president who doesn’t have a handful of equally dubious characters in the outer orbit of their current or past life. My point about a much more involved relationship between the bin ladens and the Bush’s goes to that point.

Angstone said:
He didn’t, but then again, Bill Ayers didn’t help bankroll an Oil company for a young Obama like Salem Bin Laden (brother to Osama) did for a young George Bush.

Awesome! Guilt by association [with a relative]! You guys are really hitting new lows, do you know that? Libs are so pathetically stupid… You’ll come up with that, but disregard Soetoro’s past associations as being irrelevant, or better yet, just lie. How does it feel to be such a stinking hypocrite?

Mr.Papshmer said:
Awesome! Guilt by association [with a relative]! You guys are really hitting new lows, do you know that? Libs are so pathetically stupid… You’ll come up with that, but disregard Soetoro’s past associations as being irrelevant, or better yet, just lie. How does it feel to be such a stinking hypocrite?

Sorry Pap, but if you’d take your meds and read closely, I’m making the point that if you’re upset about one, you should be upset about the other. You have to stretch to make the case that Ayers is an influential associate of Obamas, and you have to stretch to make the case that the Bin Ladens were close associates of George Bush’s.

Now try watching a little less Beck, and try some decafe before your partisan rage makes you start buying gold, canning food and building pipe bombs.

Angstone said:
I’m making the point that if you’re upset about one, you should be upset about the other.

Why should I be upset that Bush partook in a business deal with some Arab? The guy’s a frikkin _relative_, moron.

By the way, Beck comes on at 2pm. Most people who actually work for a living and who live west of the Florida panhandle can’t watch Beck. Yet he still destroys the other cable news networks’ prime time lineups. I’ll bet that really frosts the asses of you idiot libs! :)

I cannot trust Obama, or Pelosi, or Reid because they believe they are right in wanting to create paradise on earth by deciding what is best for me and then taking what they want from those who have it and giving it to those who vote for them. I don’t beieve they are right, I just believe they lie, regularly, and that the only transparency they exhibit is through their behavior, which they want to interpret differently than I perceive it to mean. Publically, Obama has trouble saying “God”, but not in saying Allah; and he visits Mosques more often than Churches; and he grew up in a Muslim environment….. But I don’t trust him because of his political views and his political behavior, irrespective of any religious beliefs he might have.

Mr.Papshmer said:
some Arab?

Hmmm, I wonder if Obama had dealings with the Bin Laden’s they’d get the same courtesy downgrade to “some Arab.”

Also, if you spent a little more time seeing the world through something other than the far right wing paranoid media filter, you might be filled with a little less misinformation driven rage.

timzank said:
bill ayers wasn’t a terrorist? a huge faction of barry’s family isn’t muslim? barry’s dad wasn’t a muslim? My point is, peoples perceptions are based upon those FACTS, blaming the source for reporting those facts is pretty chicken shit isn’t it?

Mean old internet….

You can phrase it however you like but it’s still bullshit. Reading internet blogs and believing them is like calling the World Weekly News a reliable newspaper. That’s willful ignorance and people should know better. Then again, we also have a rise in talking heads who are all too willing to distort the facts and create false impressions. If you want to believe them without checking for yourself, that’s on the individual as well.

Angstone said:
Hmmm, I wonder if Obama had dealings with the Bin Laden’s they’d get the same courtesy downgrade to “some Arab.”

Also, if you spent a little more time seeing the world through something other than the far right wing paranoid media filter, you might be filled with a little less misinformation driven rage.

I notice you didn’t dispute anything I said, just changed the subject.

Also, if Soetoro had been in business (hahahaha!! that’s kinda funny, isn’t it?) with Ayers’ brother, who was an accomplished businessman, I wouldn’t give it a second thought.

bill ayers was a terrorist? yes or no

More Liberty said:
These two can obviously raise the concerns, plus the fact that he made the comment “…my Muslim faith” with George S. duirng an interview. He admits that he misspoke but it clearly was ammo for the conspiracy theorists.

I mean, I believe he is a Christian, at least now, but there are plenty of points that people can take to question such faith.

Conspiracy theorists is right. That’s the point.
That’s what bias does. If you want to believe something rather than look at a more complete set of facts and making a more reasoned conclusion, that what you do. Your political opponents are glad to help the belief along.

sarainitaly said:
But in my opinion, it’s his fault. He should have been more upfront about his upbringing and his Christian *faith* and actual church relationship, and these stories wouldn’t provide some kind of evidence that he lied about his past.

All that information was available to anyone who seriously looked rather than just read biased blogs and watch agenda driven TV

and nobody answers a simple question

Mr.Papshmer said:
I notice you didn’t dispute anything I said, just changed the subject.

Actually, I think I’ve dealt with your point straight on in earlier posts: I don’t think there is anything that points to Obama being close with Bill Ayers. He had a passing relationship with the guy in Chicago, adding up with them being on a couple of panels together and one fund raising function out of hundreds or thousands in his career may have been held at Ayers house. I think that is a loose connection, just as I think the fact that the Bin Laden family providing funds for Bush’s oil company and getting flown out of the US the day after 9/11.

You can try to further distance Bush from Bin Laden and Saudi Wahhabi sponsored terror if you want, but to that in the same breath as linking Ayers closely to Obama would require some real cognitive dissonance.

Fact: Say it isn’t so Al baby something you invented could hurt the wise one. mmmm mmmm mmmm Obama!

I knew Bill Ayers, and he and Obama act like soulmates to me. Believe what Obama does instead of what he says. I’m still asking for some of the documents (passports, school applications, university applications) about Obama. If there is no problem, why aren’t the documents available? Obama did not grow up in America, he grew up in Islamic countries. If you’ve ever visited Indonesia, Malaysia, Kuwait, etc. you will find out pretty quickly the attitute of Imams and thus most people about non-Muslim infidels(Redundant, I know). I believe Obama and his cronies are not good for the America I grew up in and believe in now.

Angstone said:
I don’t think there is anything that points to Obama being close with Bill Ayers. He had a passing relationship with the guy in Chicago

If you had full knowledge that someone was a terrorist, would you even have a “passing relationship” with them? You’re nothing but an idiot apologist and a tool of the left. Like most libs / progs, you disgust me. If you think for a second that you have any part in their new world, you’re more of an idiot than your friends think you are.

As usual it was Fox news to blame for spreading the Muslim propaganda…

It all started with the “terrorist fist bump” and continued with the NASA “crescent” and the madrassa school lies…

[["Fox News featured a segment highlighting a right-wing report that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) attended an Islamic “madrassa” school as a 6-year-old child.
Fox & Friends host Steve Doocy pointed out that madrassas are “financed by Saudis” and “teach this Wahhabism which pretty much hates us,” then declared, “The big question is: was that on the curriculum back then?” Later, a caller to the show questioned whether Obama’s schooling means that “maybe he doesn’t consider terrorists the enemy.” Fox anchor Brian Kilmeade responded, “Well, we’ll see about that.”

The Fox hosts failed to correct the false claim that Obama is Muslim. One caller, referring to Obama, said, “I think a Muslim would be fine in the presidency, better than Hillary. At least you know what the Muslims are up to.” Anchor Gretchen Carlson responded, “We want to be clear, too, that this isn’t all Muslims, of course, we would only be concerned about the kind that want to blow us up.”]]

As with most lies about Barack Obama,,,thet fall squarely at the doorstep of Fox “news”.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Like most libs / progs, you disgust me

Who the fcuk gives a shit who disgusts you?

sarainitaly said:
It doesn’t help that almost his entire family is Muslim, his father and step father were Muslim.

So Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in another country where she benefits from government healthcare) disregards the fact that the President’s mother and grandparents, who raised him, were christian and that the halfof his family, not almost entire, that were muslim, he had little or no contact with growing up.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Who the fcuk gives a shit who disgusts you?

Obviously, you do.

JamesA1102 said:
So Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in another country where she benefits from government healthcare)

She lives in Seattle, dumb ass.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Like most libs / progs, you disgust me. If you think for a second that you have any part in their new world, you’re more of an idiot than your friends think you are.

Always glad to be on the bad side of folks like you. A subscription to the New York Times (trigger robotic rant about Liberal media now) and leaving your bunker would do you a world of good.

Not that it will likely penetrate your addled, angry skull but want to know what most of the politics of the last two years have been about? The top tax rate going from 36 to 39 percent, and the repeal of the estate tax. The top 1% of wealth holders don’t want to pay the taxes that they paid in the 1990s (which were record lows up that date) and don’t want the estate tax to continue, but instead of debating on those terms, they unleash the hounds of hell of misinformation so that the right of center middle class and working class don’t focus on massive economic favoritism being bestowed on the ultra rich. Instead, via Fox, Rush and the rest they are set chasing powerless bogiemen like Acorn, Gays, Mexicans until they see a liberal plot under every bed. This in an era when the democratic party is the gang that can’t shoot straight.

But by all means keep raging – You’re just another one of the chickens cheering for Colonel Sanders.

sarainitaly said:
I don’t care what religion ANYONE is. I am not religious, my husband is Catholic.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in another country where she benefits from government healthcare) yet she spends several paragraphs above with links to right wing websites to try to prove the President is a muslim.

shit i am poor but 36% is alot

Mr.Papshmer said:
She lives in Seattle, dumb ass.

She claims to live in Italy! Are you calling Sara a liar?

Angstone said:
The top 1% of wealth holders don’t want to pay the taxes that they paid in the 1990s (which were record lows up that date)

Yeah, nothing like the 90+% they were paying in the late 70′s, right? Boy, that worked out good, didn’t it? Jesus Christ, where the fuck do you retards come from?

Sara, where do you live? I thought you’d once said you lived in the SeaTac area, but I could be wrong. If I am, I want to apologize to the people here who think I’m an asshole.

Mr.Papshmer said:
but I could be wrong.

understatement of the year

Oh and another BTW-who goes on vacation to Pakistan? Hmmm? Where is the center of terror? Hmmm? Where do they think Osama bin Laden is currently? Barack Obama went to Pakistan with a college friend from Pakistan. Why? Why after admittedly (in his books) he hung around with all the radicals and Marxists and American haters would it be suspicious that he would visit Pakistan? Wake up people. Do your homework, Mediaite. Why did this man go to Pakistan and what passport did he use to go? Was it an American passport? Did you know that Americans were not permitted to go to Pakistan during that period. What country was the passport Barack Obama traveled under? I want to know. We are entitled to know. This man is in need of vetting but Mediaite REFUSES to do their job.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Sara, where do you live? I

Sara lived in Seattle , currently in Italy.

Never feel that you need to apologize to JamesA1102 (who loves the Planet of The Apes so much that it is a creepy obsession ruling his ADULT life)

Please sign his petition :

http://www.petitiononline.com/Battle/

The Release Uncut Version of BATTLE FOR THE PLANET OF THE APES on DVD. Petition to Executives at FOX Home Video was created by and written by JamesA1102 (JamesA1102@XXXXX.com).

Or feel free to visit his Yahoo group :

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/pota/

Go play with your dolls JamesA1102.

mickeymat said:
This man is in need of vetting but Mediaite REFUSES to do their job.

Yeah, the American people already did that.

It was called an election.

You lost.

Remember?

mickeymat said:
Mediaite REFUSES to do their job.

Actually, I can’t blame Mediaite, they only analyze the news. But your inquiry is sound. Why do the news media dismiss the questions?

We know nothing of this guy. The only president in history that has no history. Ask anyone on the street who voted for Obama what he did prior, and you’ll either get a blank stare, or maybe someone might know he was a “community organizer”. What the fuck does that mean? He went to Columbia and Harvard? Cool. Where’s the records? I don’t care if he went to Mars U, until I see something, he’s just another piece of shit lib.

Mr.Papshmer said:
She lives in Seattle, dumb ass.

I am from the eastside, but live in italy, and have for almost nine years now.
I asked you where you were from because i am from Seattle area.
sorry if i confused you.

ignore james.

JamesA1102 said:
with links to right wing websites to try to prove the President is a muslim.

no, i provided links to demonstrate why people THINK he is. Mainly because he is a liar.

Right wing websites? Youtube?

CosmosDan said:
All that information was available to anyone who seriously looked rather than just read biased blogs and watch agenda driven TV

i know, that’s why people like me knew he was a liar, long ago.

it’s people that just watched the liberal biased, agenda driven MSM that were in the dark.

Obama asks Charles Bolden the Head of NASA to “reach-out” to Muslim World.

“When I became the NASA administrator — or before I became the NASA administrator — he charged me with three things. One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math, he wanted me to expand our international relationships, and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science … and math and engineering,” Bolden said in the interview.

Weeks later the public leaned of this, the White House backtracked and denied that was Bolden’s “foremost” mission and said Bolden had “misspoke.”

Yet the White House never offered an explanation as to why Charles Bolden, the Head of NASA was even there in Egypt on the anniversary of Obama’s “Cairo Initiative” in the first place. if not there to perform ‘outreach’ as Bolden himself had claimed, what purpose would the head of NASA have for traveling to Egypt and conducting interviews with the Muslim Media?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlcNUq77_LM

Black Widow said:
“I know that when a person is rigid in their thoughts no one or no facts to the contrary will change your opinions”. Ah, the irony. (But folks on both sides are guilty of that particular contradiction.)

sarainitaly said:
ignore james.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in another country where she benefits from government healthcare) always encourages that those who speak the truth be ignored.

sarainitaly said:
Right wing websites? Youtube?

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in another country where she benefits from government healthcare) doesn’t think that Free Republic and Newsbusters are not right wing websites and that right wingers don’t post stuff on Youtube.

sarainitaly said:
i know, that’s why people like me knew he was a liar, long ago.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in another country where she benefits from government healthcare) is the last person to accuse anyone of being a liar.

sarainitaly said:
I am from the eastside, but live in italy, and have for almost nine years now.
I asked you where you were from because i am from Seattle area.
sorry if i confused you. ignore james.

I’m sorry I misplaced you, Sara, and I apologize to anyone here who was offended by my assertion that Sara does not live in Italy. I made a mistake, and I’ll try to not do that in the future.

CosmosDan said:
Well, the internet is not to blame. It’s just that because of bias and ignorance people are willing to believe rumors without checking for themselves.

Many of us did check and what we found out was Obama was immersed in black liberation theology, this is not the gospel of Jesus Christ Christianity.

The gospel teaches us that salvation through Jesus Christ is an individual walk for every person but liberation theology teaches group salvation, oppressed and oppressor dynamic where salvation is only attained through wealth redistribution (James Cone’s own words) to the self-proclaimed victims with America being the oppressor nationally and globally and the role of oppressed being filled by the followers are of James Cone, Rev. Wright and Louis Farrakhan etc. Telling white Americans they can never attain personal salvation unless they turn over what wealth they have to people that haven’t earned it!

Is Obama a Muslim? I don’t know, but I’ve satisfied myself through what I’ve read that he is not a Christian. He does not love America, he pays no honor to our national standard (old glory) by saluting or hand on heart but we’ve seen many pictures of him with his hands over his crotch when those around him are showing honor to our flag, he has to be forced to wear an American flag lapel pin, he had the American flag removed from his campaign aircraft and replaced with his counterfeit “yes we can” logo.

Truth is Americans had no idea who they were voting for his supporters and the sycophant media created the myth of the Messiah president and he reveled in it, what a terrible mistake ignorance and white guilt has brought to us.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/02/obamas_mentors_mentor.html

Obama is a Muslim who occasionally attends church and had his children baptized. He’s a socialist who signed a health care reform bill that gave private insurance and pharmaceutical companies 30 million more customers they get to earn a profit from. He’s a fascist who has the audacity to try terror suspects in civilian courts. He’s a weak commander-in-chief who escalated the war in Afghanistan, including more than tripling drone attacks. He’s the most anti-business President in history, as exemplified by the revelation that we just had one of the most profitable quarters in American corporate history. And he’s a spendthrift who contributed 25% of the current deficit, compared to Bush’s 75%, in return for 3 million jobs saved or gained, and both GDP and GNP growth that outpaced expectations, setting us up for a stronger holiday retail season than predicted just a few months ago.

Obama is far from perfect and he gets a lot of criticism from the left. The mistake is in thinking that drifting any closer to the center would ever silence the criticism from the right. Obama could extend the Bush tax cuts in full, slash all welfare programs in half, raise the retirement age to 80, lower the debt ceiling, sign a balanced budget amendment, an anti-abortion amendment, and establish English as America’s official language right next to Christianity as the official religion, and the right wing would still hate his guts and do everything in their power to destroy him utterly and permanently. Liberals could literally worship at the feet of conservative ideologues and beg for their leadership and they would still despise us and everything we represent – which is whatever they hate this week.

Conservatives hate. They’re the “we must have an enemy” crowd. Their hatred is pointed at everything “other,” and whatever appears most aggressive and threatening to their predetermined and self-established superiority over all things at any given moment is that which is despised and attacked with every fiber of their being. You can profess your love and admiration for who they are and what they believe, but do not BE what they hate, or they will do everything they can to erase you from history. Your love is not enough. Nothing short of your total compliance and subjugation will satisfy the conservative ideologue. The entirety of conservative policy can be boiled down to one word: submit.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Yeah, nothing like the 90+% they were paying in the late 70’s, right? Boy, that worked out good, didn’t it? Jesus Christ, where the fuck do you retards come from?

Big difference between rates over 60% (which were that way under Eisenhower and Nixon, whiz kid) and 39%. But don’t let that get in the way of another fact free rage vent.

and the same is true of you paul

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HA ! That’s Funny .

36% is alot, you know that dont you

cjd ohio 1 said:
and the same is true of you paul

Do you have any original thoughts? Ever?

no, you think enough for all of us

Angstone said:
Big difference between rates over 60% (which were that way under Eisenhower and Nixon, whiz kid) and 39%. But don’t let that get in the way of another fact free rage vent.

What were the rates under Carter, Einstein? Fuck, you people are so stupid…

Paul Westlake said:
Obama is a Muslim who occasionally attends church and had his children baptized. He’s a socialist who signed a health care reform bill that gave private insurance and pharmaceutical companies 30 million more customers they get to earn a profit from. He’s a fascist who has the audacity to try terror suspects in civilian courts. He’s a weak commander-in-chief who escalated the war in Afghanistan, including more than tripling drone attacks. He’s the most anti-business President in history, as exemplified by the revelation that we just had one of the most profitable quarters in American corporate history. And he’s a spendthrift who contributed 25% of the current deficit, compared to Bush’s 75%, in return for 3 million jobs saved or gained, and both GDP and GNP growth that outpaced expectations, setting us up for a stronger holiday retail season than predicted just a few months ago.

Obama is far from perfect and he gets a lot of criticism from the left. The mistake is in thinking that drifting any closer to the center would ever silence the criticism from the right. Obama could extend the Bush tax cuts in full, slash all welfare programs in half, raise the retirement age to 80, lower the debt ceiling, sign a balanced budget amendment, an anti-abortion amendment, and establish English as America’s official language right next to Christianity as the official religion, and the right wing would still hate his guts and do everything in their power to destroy him utterly and permanently. Liberals could literally worship at the feet of conservative ideologues and beg for their leadership and they would still despise us and everything we represent – which is whatever they hate this week.

Conservatives hate. They’re the “we must have an enemy” crowd. Their hatred is pointed at everything “other,” and whatever appears most aggressive and threatening to their predetermined and self-established superiority over all things at any given moment is that which is despised and attacked with every fiber of their being. You can profess your love and admiration for who they are and what they believe, but do not BE what they hate, or they will do everything they can to erase you from history. Your love is not enough. Nothing short of your total compliance and subjugation will satisfy the conservative ideologue. The entirety of conservative policy can be boiled down to one word: submit.

Well put. To be fair, there did used to be plenty of rationalize and productive republicans who primarily wanted a balanced budget, sound defense and government to support the growth of the economy. That was before they were all purged by the fear & hate based types who crave an authoritarian government where everything is black and white, us vs them. No shades of grey or complexity. Of all people, Barry Goldwater and John Dean started writing a book analyzing how the GOP and far right went crazy. Goldwater died mid-way through, but Dean finished and published it. It’s called Conservatives without Conscience. It goes back to the a sociological finding in a handful of studies that 23-28% of any population group usually either want to be an authoritarian leader or follow on, and need the world to be made simple through very clear bad guys and good guys, with no players having mixed agendas or motives.

cjd ohio 1 said:
no

A simple “no” would suffice. ;-)

maybe, but you need things explained to you

Mr.Papshmer said:
vent.

What were the rates under Carter, Einstein? Fuck, you people are so stupid…

Top marginal rate under Eisenhower was 92%
Top marginal rate under Nixon was 77%
Top marginal rate under Carter was 70%

Feel free to fact check this, genius.

Facts just keep smacking your weak attempts at insults right back down your pie hole, huh?

Mr.Papshmer said:
What were the rates under Carter, Einstein? Fuck, you people are so stupid…

The top rate on earned income remained the same from Ford through Carter and the first six years of Reagan. The top rate on other types of income came down to the same level as the earned income rate under Reagan. Late in his second term and into Bush Elder’s term, the rate went to near 30% and below. Even Bush Sr. realized it was too low and bumped it back up to 31%, which was still laughably low. Clinton bumped it back up to just under 40%, which is barely enough to pay for anything. And Bush Jr dropped it back down, which is where most of the deficit comes from.

- http://www.truthandpolitics.org/top-rates.php

If you’re going to call people stupid, you should try not to display your own ignorance in the process.

but 36% is alot you know

Angstone said:
Top marginal rate under Eisenhower was 92%
Top marginal rate under Nixon was 77%
Top marginal rate under Carter was 70%

Feel free to fact check this, genius.

Facts just keep smacking your weak attempts at insults right back down your pie hole, huh?

What does “marginal” mean? Is it different than “effective”? You seem like you’re really smart, so I’m sure you can tell me all about it. Go ahead, asshole.

maxwell said:
Obama asks Charles Bolden the Head of NASA to “reach-out” to Muslim World. “When I became the NASA administrator — or before I became the NASA administrator — he charged me with three things. One was he wanted me to help re-inspire children to want to get into science and math, he wanted me to expand our international relationships, and third, and perhaps foremost, he wanted me to find a way to reach out to the Muslim world and engage much more with dominantly Muslim nations to help them feel good about their historic contribution to science … and math and engineering,” Bolden said in the interview. Weeks later the public leaned of this, the White House backtracked and denied that was Bolden’s “foremost” mission and said Bolden had “misspoke.” Yet the White House never offered an explanation as to why Charles Bolden, the Head of NASA was even there in Egypt on the anniversary of Obama’s “Cairo Initiative” in the first place. if not there to perform ‘outreach’ as Bolden himself had claimed, what purpose would the head of NASA have for traveling to Egypt and conducting interviews with the Muslim Media? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlcNUq77_LM

Fact: Bolden’s sons name is Mohammed. Very strange for NASA to waste its resources.

Angstone said:
Well put. To be fair, there did used to be plenty of rationalize and productive republicans who primarily wanted a balanced budget, sound defense and government to support the growth of the economy. That was before they were all purged by the fear & hate based types who crave an authoritarian government where everything is black and white, us vs them. No shades of grey or complexity. Of all people, Barry Goldwater and John Dean started writing a book analyzing how the GOP and far right went crazy. Goldwater died mid-way through, but Dean finished and published it. It’s called Conservatives without Conscience. It goes back to the a sociological finding in a handful of studies that 23-28% of any population group usually either want to be an authoritarian leader or follow on, and need the world to be made simple through very clear bad guys and good guys, with no players having mixed agendas or motives.

I started debating on CompuServe in 1990 and I remember the difference between genuine conservatives and reactionary trolls. I remember conservatives who would call the trolls out and admonish them for making the entire conservative movement look mean and simple-minded. But they were slowly shouted down and outnumbered as the lack of social checks and balances on the internet revealed the impotence of shame in this public setting. If the people who commented here were meeting face-to-face, it would become clear which people were nuts very quickly and those people would be ignored in due course. But the internet allows the crazy to interject wherever and whenever it chooses, with no social repercussions. Sure, these people won’t necessarily get invited to the next RNC brainstorming session, but they weren’t going to anyway, and this way they can feel like they’re actually contributing, even though it’s just a crazy person with a megaphone. Conservatives don’t care if they spout anymore because their guys win when the crazies are out in force. So it’s up to liberals to keep truth alive, or all we’ll have is a bunch of crazy people fighting imaginary dragons as they merrily drag America to its own self-immolation.

I’m reading John Dean’s earlier work, “Worse Than Watergate,” right now. I have another book in the cue after that, but I think “Conservatives Without Conscience” is next. Yes, he gets it completely, as does David Brock – “Blinded by the Right” is a must-read.

“Barack Obama’s grandmother ‘prays he converts to Islam’ ”
Nov 25, 2010

“Sarah Omar, 88, who was on hajj pilgrimage to Mecca, told the Al-Qatan Saudi daily: “I prayed for my grandson Barack to convert to Islam”.

The paper said that Ms Omar was in Saudi Arabia on pilgrimage along with her son, Mr Obama’s uncle Saeed Hussein Obama, and four of her grandchildren.

Ms Omar told the newspaper that she could only discuss hajj matters and would not comment on Mr Obama’s politics.

The family appeared to have been hosted by the Saudi government for hajj. Saeed thanked King Abdullah for his “kind hospitality,” the paper said.

US opinion polls in August found that as many as one in four Americans believe that Mr Obama is a Muslim, a claim categorically denied by the White House which has maintained that he is a “committed Christian.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/8159700/Barack-Obamas-grandmother-prays-he-converts-to-Islam.html

Mr.Papshmer said:
What does “marginal” mean? Is it different than “effective”? You seem like you’re really smart, so I’m sure you can tell me all about it. Go ahead, asshole.

Of course marginal is different than effective. And the effective rate on the top earners is almost always LOWER than the marginal rate. What the fuck is your point, gynocreep?

i thought it was anthony, LTC

see paul , thats why i let you do all the thinking lol

Mr.Papshmer said:
What does “marginal” mean? Is it different than “effective”? You seem like you’re really smart, so I’m sure you can tell me all about it. Go ahead, asshole.

I’ve got to assume that a parent or care-giver connected you to the internet.

sarainitaly said:
i know, that’s why people like me knew he was a liar, long ago.

it’s people that just watched the liberal biased, agenda driven MSM that were in the dark.

Yes,, candidates hedge the truth during a campaign, about themselves and about each other. Welcome to politics and the real world. If we waited for candidates who didn’t do that we wouldn’t vote at all.

Angstone said:
I’ve got to assume that a parent or care-giver connected you to the internet.

[actually laughed out loud]

Paul Westlake said:
[actually laughed out loud]

Fact: That’s the first post that you didn’t spew your liberal diarrhea all over the back of the toilet seat! Way to go butt munch! That’s a marginal rate fact!

cjd ohio 1 said:
see paul , thats why i let you do all the thinking lol

Fact: Born to be a Winnie spanking buddy of The Paul Westlake!

Ricia said:
So why does he bow to Islamic leaders?

Why does Bush hold hands and buttsex muslim leaders when he is a christian?

Just4thefax said:
Fact: That’s the first post that you didn’t spew your liberal diarrhea all over the back of the toilet seat! Way to go butt munch!

Great one! I hope you read that out loud to the guys on the deep fryer and the slushie machine. “Butt munch” we really are living in a comedy golden age…

just4thefax, you are a fool, read all the posts dummy

it was sarcasm fax, what a idiot, but shit now i see pauls point

Muslims think he is a Muslim because his father was one and that is all that’s required according to their religion.

That’s 1.2 billion and counting.

PC Kryptonite said:
Many of us did check and what we found out was Obama was immersed in black liberation theology, this is not the gospel of Jesus Christ Christianity.

The gospel teaches us that salvation through Jesus Christ is an individual walk for every person but liberation theology teaches group salvation,

This demonstrates to me what you know about BLT you probably learned from Glenn Beck or right leaning web sites , which strikes me as a pretty unfair for someone talking about the gospel.

Christianity is pretty diverse and has hundreds of groups that can’t seem to agree with each other about what Jesus taught. It always cracks me up when someone claims other Christians have it wrong. It also strikes me as oddly ironic for someone with the unusual beliefs of Mormonism like Glenn to be making declarations that someone else has perverted the gospel. It’s ludicrous

why not just give a simple thing,as a birth info

Just4thefax said:
Fact: That’s the first post that you didn’t spew your liberal diarrhea all over the back of the toilet seat! Way to go butt munch! That’s a marginal rate fact!

I’ll give you points for clever word phrases, but your content is still pretty weak. Try again. ;-)

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Born to be a Winnie spanking buddy of The Paul Westlake!

Again, clever word plays, but not really effective as a form of communication of any kind. Seriously, you have potential, but to be a truly effective troll, you have to come across with some red meat from time to time. ;-)

Angstone said:
Great one! I hope you read that out loud to the guys on the deep fryer and the slushie machine. “Butt munch” we really are living in a comedy golden age…

Humbling, to be sure. lol

cjd ohio 1 said:
it was sarcasm fax, what a idiot, but shit now i see pauls point

Don’t worry, it’ll pass. ;-)

Bill Mahwer said:
Muslims think he is a Muslim because his father was one and that is all that’s required according to their religion.

Yeah, and the Hassidim in Borough Park think I’m a Jew. There’s no shortage of religious inanity out there.

shit, bad night, i am in agreement with paul on something damn lol

“President Obama asserted, once again, that the rumors are untrue and that both he and his family benefit from their lives as Christians.”

When did that happen? I watched the video I and didn’t hear that?

I heard Barbara Walters ask, you read the bible every night right, Obama responds yes. She didn’t ask are you Christian and he never said I’m Christian, only that he reads ‘a bible’, not The Bible. A bible is defined as “the sacred writings of any religion” So Ms. Walters and the audience is left to ‘assume’ Obama means the Christian Bible.

Obama never said He and His Family “benefit from their lives as Christians.” Obama said “Michelle and I have both benefit from our prayer life” …from “their prayer life”, but then every religion “prays” don’t they?

Once again Obama fails to directly address the muslim perception and leaves it to the Media to define his vague references and make those assertions for him, all Obama had to do to squash muslim rumors is to speak-up for himself and not through third-party spokespersons. These type of vague interviews only perpetuate the muslim rumors.

Why can’t Barack Obama simply say “Look, I am not muslim and I do not follow Islam, I’m a Christian” That would squash any rumors and wouldn’t be considered denouncing Islam unless of course you were muslim, in that case you might let others speak for you and have them publicly state you’re not muslim.

BHO, ya think? Nobody on Fox is coming out and accusing you, Mr. President, of not being Christian even though Beck once admitted ignorance about your faith. The internet has made the bifurcation of reality easier. Anyone can claim anything on the Internet because there’s less fact-checking for some of this misinformation that anyone can make up.

Now, cjd ohio 1 says:
“shit, bad night, i am in agreement with paul on something damn lol”

There are times when I agree completely with Beck on an issue or matter of personal responsibility. CJD; it’s a cliche because it’s true: politics makes for strange bed fellows.

That doesn’t make it a bad night or unfortunate situation. I actually appreciate the few times Mr. Beck agrees completely with what I think. I don’t use Beck to strengthen my argument because he’s so factually unreliable, but I appreciate it that Beck thinks birtherism is a dumb idea, that Obama shouldn’t target Americans for assassination and that people should be self-reliant and independent of the welfare states. “LOL” I can agree with, but apparently for different reasons.

i did agree with paul, the bad night stuff was just joking

Yeah, I guess I blame the internet insofar as that’s where I see all those photographs of -0bama praying in mosques, bowing to Muslim leaders, etc.

Actually, I don’t care if he’s a Cardinal in drag, he’s a LOUSY president.

Once again the President answers a question asked by some doddering old hag and all those haters with their pointless points of view come out to play. It’s true 20-22% of all Americans have a mindless, irrational hatred of this man. Note: Key words-”mindless and irrational.”

cjd ohio 1 said:
i did agree with paul, the bad night stuff was just joking

As GBR said, politics makes strange bedfellows. The more we treat politics like sports without refs, the more we separate from each other. We can’t keep camping out in our own terrain while flinging bombs across the divide and expect to accomplish anything but a lot of attrition, and eventually, our own destruction. I’m glad it was a joke, but I ask that you not to be so quick to reinforce such a counter-productive mentality. I would also like to see some real contributions from you. You have the capacity, but you use it to cherry-pick your way through other people’s ideas. If you agree or disagree, show us why for a change. Explain something. Take the risk of showing your ability to make a complete analysis, on any topic. I don’t see why I should bother taking this much time with you in the future if you can’t be bothered to do anything more than poke people in the ribs.

rossamwb said:
why not just give a simple thing,as a birth info

Do you think he hasn’t?

well most people on here state their opinions as facts, so if you argue its a circle jerk, so why bother, very rarely do i see plain facts on here. And everyone needs to be shaken up sometimes or they get to comfortable in their judgements

Paul Westlake said:
The more we treat politics like sports without refs, the more we separate from each other. We can’t keep camping out in our own terrain while flinging bombs across the divide and expect to accomplish anything but a lot of attrition, and eventually, our own destruction.

I agree 100% Paul.

Somehow American citizens need to try and stop being partisan jackasses and try to identify our common problems.

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cjd ohio 1 said:
well most people on here state their opinions as facts, so if you argue its a circle jerk, so why bother…

Yes, why bother indeed. But someone did have a good answer for that…

cjd ohio 1 said:
…everyone needs to be shaken up sometimes or they get to comfortable in their judgements

Do you really think you’re above the fray?

CosmosDan said:
Somehow American citizens need to try and stop being partisan jackasses and try to identify our common problems.

Agreed. Better journalism across the board would help.

no, not above anything, and i do know that

cjd ohio 1 said:
no, not above anything, and i do know that

Then play straight with me or don’t expect much by way of happy times if I reply to your comments from now on.

ok tough guy lol

CosmosDan said:
Somehow American citizens need to try and stop being partisan jackasses and try to identify our common problems.

Sadly, there are a lot of people with a vested financial interest in making sure that doesn’t happen.

If Middle and working class anger, especially among whites, were to somehow focus on the reasons their quality of life really has been sliding since the 1970s, it would shake things up considerably. Until that point, they’ll just be misdirected into raging at gays, acorn, immigrants, climate scientists, the french, people who say Happy Holidays and any other convenient target to keep them furious and distracted.

cjd ohio 1 said:
ok tough guy lol

Not meant to be “tough guy,” just letting you know that I put in enough effort and now I’m done. Catchya.

Angstone said:
Sadly, there are a lot of people with a vested financial interest in making sure that doesn’t happen.

If Middle and working class anger, especially among whites, were to somehow focus on the reasons their quality of life really has been sliding since the 1970s, it would shake things up considerably. Until that point, they’ll just be misdirected into raging at gays, acorn, immigrants, climate scientists, the french, people who say Happy Holidays and any other convenient target to keep them furious and distracted.

Couldn’t agree more. It’ll take a much better informed citizenry to make real change, which requires better education and much better journalism. No wonder corporate elites love starving government and consolidating media.

More Liberty said:
Obama is no Muslim, just a corporatist crook.

thats makes alot more sense than a fascist anti colonialist marxist muslim.

Paul Westlake said:
Agreed. Better journalism across the board would help.

Agreed. Some details on matters that are relevant would help rather than more stories of passing comments by this one or that one. At some point the public has to reject BS journalism and be vocal about it.
The problem seems to be that digging for relevant info is just too much effort for many people. If the main media sources can’t be trusted to present useful factual information we’re in trouble.

Angstone said:
Sadly, there are a lot of people with a vested financial interest in making sure that doesn’t happen.

If Middle and working class anger, especially among whites, were to somehow focus on the reasons their quality of life really has been sliding since the 1970s, it would shake things up considerably. Until that point, they’ll just be misdirected into raging at gays, acorn, immigrants, climate scientists, the french, people who say Happy Holidays and any other convenient target to keep them furious and distracted.

True. Decent change would require long term sustained efforts and we don’t seem to be good at that. Better to bicker about superficial nonsense.

Paul Westlake said:
Then play straight with me or don’t expect much by way of happy times if I reply to your comments from now on.

Fact: How to debate for dummies books not going to produce real facts to your loony liberals’ talking points. Again working a real job and paying your own way in life can do so much more to your level of thought than I could ever get thru to you to understand how capitalism works in America and how much bullshit the left ideology isn’t working and hadn’t ever worked in history.

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Just4thefax says:
“Fact: How to debate for dummies books not going to produce real facts to your loony liberals’ talking points.”

Fact: your “facts” are just opinion, and not well informed opinions at that. You can’t assert opinions as facts and then turn around to refer to others as “loony.” That makes you not just an idiot who writes on the 7th grade level, but a hypocrite too.

To Muslims…he is a muslim based on the theory that if your father is a muslim (he was) then you, by default, are a Muslim.

Crazy I know…but that is what they are saying……

To you libs who disagree, you are running the risk of getting your head cut off.

Just saying….

It doesn’t help that almost his entire family is Muslim, his father and step father were Muslim.

But in my opinion, it’s his fault. He should have been more upfront about his upbringing and his Christian *faith* and actual church relationship, and these stories wouldn’t provide some kind of evidence that he lied about his past.

Why is it his fault? Why should he have been more upfront about his upbringing and his Christian faith? So it will satisfy you? Why do you care so much about his religion? Why do you spend so much time trying to find every single article you can find on his religion? So part of his family is Muslim, part of his family is not. Why is that a big deal to you? So what, who cares. Lots of families are mixed religion & mixed race. Part of my family is Native, part of my family is white. Part of my family practices one religion, part of my family practices another.

Would you spend as much time researching a Mormon president that practices Mormonism, not Christianity, with a part of his family following yet another religion? An Asian president who practices Buddhism, with part of his family attending the Baptist church? All in all, it boils down to who cares what religion anyone follows. To each his or her own. Its a free country the last time I checked. Its none of my business what faith or belief others practice, president or no president. Nor, is it any of your and everyone elses business.

You and so many others like you, can’t see past your noses about the actual person or persons themselves. You’re only interest is what faith or religion they practice, and lord help them if its not the same as yours.

Quit trying to spread more hate and distrust Sarah. Theres enough of it out there as it is.

Something you should read over also. Its titled The Four Freedoms. Perhaps you could study the second one a few times. Maybe it’ll settle into your, I distrust all faiths and races but my own, mind.

We look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

The first is freedom of speech and expression–everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way– everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want . . . everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear . . . anywhere in the world.

–President Franklin D. Roosevelt, Message to Congress, January 6, 1941

I dunno … everytime I hear Obama it kindda echoes like ‘Osama’ in my head, maybe it’s just because I have not been taking my meds LOL … but heh, it is simple to verify, make a reality show of the Obama family or better yet a reality show with a hidden cam and the world will see if he pulls up at midnight his rug to pray to allah ROFLOL

Sheesh, what a child. It is always some one else’s or something else’s fault. Lemme help you out here ‘Bam. If all that went before did not convince you, this should. In a televised interview with George Stuffinenvelopes [must check spelling sometime], who was it that started an answer with, “My muslim faith tells me …” and was actually interrupted by George and reminded to say, “Christian faith?” Oh yeah, that’s right, it was Barack Husein Obama! Whata maroon! [thank you Bugs Bunny.]

Just4thefax said:
Fact: How to debate for dummies books not going to produce real facts to your loony liberals’ talking points. Again working a real job and paying your own way in life can do so much more to your level of thought than I could ever get thru to you to understand how capitalism works in America and how much bullshit the left ideology isn’t working and hadn’t ever worked in history.

I was going to offer up a pithy response but GBR took care of you a;lready…

GlennBeckReview said:
Just4thefax says:
“Fact: How to debate for dummies books not going to produce real facts to your loony liberals’ talking points.”

Fact: your “facts” are just opinion, and not well informed opinions at that. You can’t assert opinions as facts and then turn around to refer to others as “loony.” That makes you not just an idiot who writes on the 7th grade level, but a hypocrite too.

Et, voila!

BatBoy said:
To Muslims…he is a muslim based on the theory that if your father is a muslim (he was) then you, by default, are a Muslim.

Crazy I know…but that is what they are saying……

To you libs who disagree, you are running the risk of getting your head cut off.

Just saying….

No, Batty, the point is, it doesn’t matter what other people think, what matters is what the individual believes. The Hassidim in Borough Park think I’m a Jew. They’re wrong, but nothing anyone ever says will change their minds. Doesn’t make me a Jew. And nobody’s belief makes Obama a Muslim. HIS belief makes him a Christian. That’s all that matters and all that has ever mattered for white Presidents. Ya dig?

ctene said:
I dunno … everytime I hear Obama it kindda echoes like ‘Osama’ in my head, maybe it’s just because I have not been taking my meds LOL … but heh, it is simple to verify, make a reality show of the Obama family or better yet a reality show with a hidden cam and the world will see if he pulls up at midnight his rug to pray to allah ROFLOL

Osama is a common given name in the Arab world. There are 1,484 people listed in American phone directories with the first name “Osama.”

- http://names.whitepages.com/first/Osama

Adolph went out of favor after WW II, but it’s just another common name. Benedict wasn’t given to American children much after the Revolution but now that we have a Pope named Benedict, we’ll see a mini surge of that name in Catholic families. I know it seems like the era of history we’re living in is the only era that ever happened, but it isn’t. ;-)

Billster said:
Sheesh, what a child. It is always some one else’s or something else’s fault. Lemme help you out here ‘Bam. If all that went before did not convince you, this should. In a televised interview with George Stuffinenvelopes [must check spelling sometime], who was it that started an answer with, “My muslim faith tells me …” and was actually interrupted by George and reminded to say, “Christian faith?” Oh yeah, that’s right, it was Barack Husein Obama! Whata maroon! [thank you Bugs Bunny.]

What a maroon is right. While I love the Bugs Bunny reference, you know as surely as I do that he misspoke in exactly the same way Sarah Palin did when she said North Korea the other day. If you listen to the context of both interviews, it’s clear that partisans on both sides took the offending language out of context to hammer home a sophist point. The left did it to Sarah, and the right did it to Barack. But the right also does it on his obvious reference to the 47 states he had visited up to that point when he misspoke and said 57 – the next statements out of his mouth referred to Alaska and Hawaii as being too far off the beaten path, and solidified his reference to the lower-48. The left takes language out of context from time to time and I call it out when I see it there, too. But the right has made an art form out of it and this is just one in a long string of sophist attacks based on nothing. So I understand why some lefties are trigger-happy on the subject

Jayson said:

Why is it his fault? Why should he have been more upfront about his upbringing and his Christian faith? So it will satisfy you? Why do you care so much about his religion? Why do you spend so much time trying to find every single article you can find on his religion? So part of his family is Muslim, part of his family is not. Why is that a big deal to you? So what, who cares. Lots of families are mixed religion & mixed race. Part of my family is Native, part of my family is white. Part of my family practices one religion, part of my family practices another.

Uh, dude, I don’t care. I don’t care if he’s muslim or christian or nothing. i am responding to the POST in which it discusses Obama’s religion, and his thoughts about it, and WHY people think he is Muslim. Why did Barbara Walters care and ask? Why did Frances care to even write the post? I am commenting on the post.

I do care, however, about people that use religion to get elected, people that pander to different groups, pretending to be one thing, when they aren’t. That is what Obama did. I care that he pandered to Christian Conservative African Americans down in SC to get elected, with his anti-gay roadshow trio.

The post is about WHY people think he is Muslim. I provided reasons. Perfectly legitimate reasons. And the reason it is his fault is because he LIED about his past, and the truth slowly trickled out – THAT is why people don’t trust him. Because he LIED. He lied about his past and he lied about Wright, his relationship with the church and whether or not he knew what Wright was spewing.

THAT I care about.

sarainitaly said:
the reason it is his fault is because he LIED about his past

No he didn’t. He wrote books that detailed the past everyone is lifting the same information from. Nobody went to Kenya or Hawaii to unearth the “truth.” They cherry-picked “The Audacity of Hope” and ran with it. There is no there there. The only people who lie about Obama’s past are conservatives.

Jayson said:
Would you spend as much time researching a Mormon president that practices Mormonism, not Christianity, with a part of his family following yet another religion? An Asian president who practices Buddhism, with part of his family attending the Baptist church? All in all, it boils down to who cares what religion anyone follows. To each his or her own. Its a free country the last time I checked. Its none of my business what faith or belief others practice, president or no president. Nor, is it any of your and everyone elses business.

I would research any president that uses their religion to get elected, and then only to find out they lied about it. Obama made it our business when he mailed out religious fliers, held christian type revivals, talked about it, wrote about it, and pandered to certain religious groups. Frankly I don’t want ANY religion in politics and it is funny that Obama is suddenly embraced by the left for his Christian beliefs, but they CONSTANTLY attack Conservative christians. (like this: http://althouse.blogspot.com/2004/11/about-jesusland.html)

You and so many others like you, can’t see past your noses about the actual person or persons themselves. You’re only interest is what faith or religion they practice, and lord help them if its not the same as yours.

Quit trying to spread more hate and distrust Sarah. Theres enough of it out there as it is.

You’re wrong, I CAN see past my nose, and see the person for who he is. That’s why I didn’t vote for him. It’s people like you that are short sighted. I don’t give a rats ass what religion he is, as I said, I am NOT religious.

Quit trying to spread hate? I am spreading hate for having a discussion and answering a question in a post?

Who’s the one who can’t see past their hate? (hint: you)

Paul Westlake said:
No he didn’t. He wrote books that detailed the past everyone is lifting the same information from. Nobody went to Kenya or Hawaii to unearth the “truth.” They cherry-picked “The Audacity of Hope” and ran with it. There is no there there. The only people who lie about Obama’s past are conservatives.

he wrote that he was registered in school as barry soetoro, an indonesian, and his religion was Islam?

he wrote that he didn’t really go to church and just made up the story that he went every sunday at 11:30am, and that’s why he never heard Wright’s sermons?

He sold himself as a big ol’ christian that was a faithful attendee of Wrights church. When the tapes came out he said he never heard the sermons. He didn’t know Wright was controversial. He then said he did hear some of those things. He lied because he had disinvited Wright from delivering the prayer when he announced his bid for presidency because they found out about his sermons. He lied either when he said he knew about them, or when he said he didn’t. He chose to say he knew about them because he didn’t want to admit he lied about going to church. Ask Richard Wolffe about that. He wrote in his book that he went to mosques and prayed?

If he wrote all that, then he just chose to lie, despite his books?

His fight the smears web site said he NEVER ever practiced Muslim religion, and was NEVER a muslim. That is simply not true. Thus, he lied.

sarainitaly said:
His fight the smears web site said he NEVER ever practiced Muslim religion, and was NEVER a muslim. That is simply not true. Thus, he lied.

You’re wrong. I went to Presbyterian churches as a kid because my mother made me. I sang the songs and said all the right things but as soon as I had a choice in the matter I split. To say I ever truly practiced Christianity would be an insult to those Christians who really do. And the same is true for Obama vis-a-vis Islam. If he ever went to a Muslim school or prayed five times a day, it’s because he had to, not because he chose to. And by the time he was living with his mom in the States, he was a Christian, which he CHOSE to continue. There’s a big difference between the ideals foisted on children by their parents and the spiritual faiths we choose to embrace as adults. People who refuse to acknowledge that are just grinding an irrelevant ax for partisan kicks.

sarainitaly said:
I do care, however, about people that use religion to get elected, people that pander to different groups, pretending to be one thing, when they aren’t. That is what Obama did. I care that he pandered to Christian Conservative African Americans down in SC to get elected, with his anti-gay roadshow trio.

Okay sara

I think you should just make up your mind to never vote, because the realities of being a politician are too offensive to you.

Paul Westlake said:
You’re wrong.

no, you’re wrong. you’re just justifying it. young or old, doesn’t matter. he lied about the facts.

“And by the time he was living with his mom in the States, he was a Christian, which he CHOSE to continue.”

He didn’t become a Christian until he moved back to Chicago after law school. When he was a community organizer, he just used the churches, and religion to get ahead, and build support. His mom was an atheist/agnostic.

Obama was a community organizer trying to build support for his group on the South Side of Chicago, and a friendly minister at another church had suggested he’d have more luck with black clergy if he joined a congregation himself.

“Some of my fellow clergy don’t appreciate what we’re about,” Wright told him that day, as Obama would later recount it. “They feel like we’re too radical. Others, we ain’t radical enough.”

And in Wright he would find an inspirational messenger—not to mention one of Chicago’s most prominent black ministers—in a setting where church affiliation can form part of a person’s political pedigree.

For someone thinking of running for mayor, governor, senator or any statewide office, being part of Trinity would likely be an asset.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-obama-church_bdmay04-archive,0,1539964.story

He painted a certain picture of his religious faith, and sold everyone on his commitment to the church, and that all fell apart when he claimed he never knew Wright was controversial.

His story was always changing, that’s why the distrust, per my original comment.
http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/179905/campaign_now_says_barak_hussein_obama.html?cat=37

CosmosDan said:
I think you should just make up your mind to never vote, because the realities of being a politician are too offensive to you.

no, i prefer to investigate the candidates and evaluate them on their lies and truths, and realities and make my decisions from there.

sarainitaly said:
no, you’re wrong. you’re just justifying it. young or old, doesn’t matter. he lied about the facts.

No, Sara, you hold Democrats to a higher standard than Republicans. You think John McCain is pious? You think Newt Gingrich is a man of God? And what about the ultimate religious fraud – George W Bush. Born again? My ass! The man’s a drunk and always has been. He’s no Christian, not even remotely. You think Obama is the only person to use religion for networking? You’ve been out of the country too long. That religious networking goes on every single Sunday in conservative America. Religion, networking, love and money are all part and parcel of the same routine in red state America and you’re all bent out of shape over a Democrat who never campaigned on anything religious, as opposed to almost the entire GOP docket. So get real. He DID NOT LIE. YOU, and the people who push this false narrative, are the one bearing false witness. I don’t give a shit about your soul but you’ll be sorted out by your maker in due course. Heathen.

sorry paul, cant argue with you on that post, not one fact in it

cjd ohio 1 said:
sorry paul, cant argue with you on that post, not one fact in it

The sniper returns with an inane comment that proves he has nothing to offer… ever. Thanks for stopping by, specialist. How are the legos treating you tonight?

And for the record, BUSH LIED about his DUI, during AND after the campaign. He still lies about it to this day. He lied about Saddam’s involvement with the 9/11 terrorists. He also lies about WMD in Iraq… still! His wife’s “accidental” vehicular homicide was covered up. These are the right wing’s heroes. Liars and con artists.

Puhlease.

was not sniping, you said argue on facts,

cjd ohio 1 said:
was not sniping, you said argue on facts,

Commenting without offering any original content is sniping. My first reply to you was also sniping. This is not sniping because it contains a relevant point. See how this works? Last time I explain it to you.

ok obams is a muslim. obama is gay, obama hates this country , that what you mean

just make up shit like you, no i dont like this

I’m not making shit up. And now you’re just another idiot. okthanksbuhbye

the mans a drunk and always has been……proof,hes no christian…….proof,accident cover-up?……..proof

Do your own homework, sniper.

Funny … you ask who do Americans think Obama is Muslim? Even funnier, why do Pakistani Muslims think Obama is a Muslim?

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Regional/Islamabad/02-Sep-2010/Minister-wants-Obama-to-become-AmeerulMomineen

why*

the battle cry of a person with no facts to back shit up, …….do your own homework…lol

ladyruth54 says:

“Even funnier, why do Pakistani Muslims think Obama is a Muslim?”

Because they’re as stupid as many in the Republican base?

sarainitaly said:
no, i prefer to investigate the candidates and evaluate them on their lies and truths, and realities and make my decisions from there.

that sounds fine, but all politicians will pander and change their story depending on what group they are trying to appeal to, and tend to soften any offenses in their past. There were a lot of distorted attacks being aimed at Obama during the campaign. I remember McCain had to back off his pandering to Pastor John Hagee after Obama was being hit so hard about Wright. The GOP has been pandering to Christian fundamentalists for years.
There was an article written by the son of a fundamentalist minister at the time, who described his father’s hateful attitudes and actions, and talked about how conservative politicians had courted and honored him for years. As Paul said, it seems to me that bias seems to excuse one offense while blowing the same one by someone we don’t agree with, out of proportion.
I didn’t think Obama ever said that Wright wasn’t controversial , which you’ve repeated several times. What he said was he didn’t hear the specific remarks that were run on Fox in endless loops.
If we search through a person’s words, and find the most offensive things we can find, and then view them through a lens and with words intended to amplify the offense, does that strike you as a fair and balanced look at that person?

cjd ohio 1 said:
the battle cry of a person with no facts to back shit up, …….do your own homework…lol

You wish, sniper. No original thought whatsoever and never a single fact to support your sniping. Yes, do some work on your own for a change. Stop relying on others to do the work for you. You remind of those kids in high school who read the Cliff Notes and then bitched when they got an F on the exam. Typical intellectual laziness from a typical right wing mooch.