Obviously Giuliani left off “since 9/11″ I don’t think anyone can think he *forgot* about that day. The real blatant error was Stephanopoulos not addressing it during the interview. George was quick to defend Obama on his *my muslim faith* slip up, but he doesn’t notice this?

Riiiiight – so it’s George Stephanopoulos’ fault….of course, of course…..

Yeah, even if he said “after 9/11″, there’s still the DC Sniper, a bunch of anthrax threats, the freaking Shoe Bomber. Good god…

“All of you who have pointed out that I should have pressed him on that misstatement in the moment are right. My mistake, my responsibility.” ~ George Stephanpoulos

It’s not his fault Giuliani made the error. It was a baltant error on the part of a *jouranlist* to let it go unnoticed, and without follow up.

Rachel and MSNBC going after a republican — well now, that’s something new and newsworthy! HAHA

SOP for Rachel and hardly worthy of a headline or story.

Snipzor says:
January 9, 2010 at 9:37 am

And had George done his job, and called Giuliani on that, that false info wouldn’t be floating out there now, would it?

I wonder why Rachel didn’t call out George and question if this will be the end of his journalism career.

Laurence O’Donnell did a nice job on Countdown going after these lying sacks as well

I also wonder if Maddow watched Giuliani on Morning Joe – Mike Barnicle and Mika followed up on Giuliani’s statements.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/vp/34764849#34764849

Rachel would never go after another lefty sarainitaly and George is, always has been/always will be nothing more than a dem operative pretending to be a journo. As usual, a mountain is being made of a mole hill in an attempt to protect Obama. But, even now the AP is going after Obama, and if you have lost the AP, you are in deep trouble.

(it was snark) ;O)

Rachel frequently goes after other lefties. She has also been critical of Obama. This shows that you don’t watch her program and are just spouting unsubstantiated claims.

The AP has been going after Obama since the election. The AP leans conservative. Another unsubstantiated claim.

I wish folks would do research before they make crazy claims.

I’m not sure George is as much left as he used to be. I started watching ‘this week’ a few months back and
he has been pretty fair on it. I’ve felt that was why he was ‘promoted’ to GMA and replaced.

Ellacott says,

No she goes after people that don’t support the far left agenda.

Rachel also took down Alan Grayson for his holocaust remark. But, idiots who watch fox wouldn’t know that. As for Stephanopoulos, she took him and the rest of the so called “journalists” apart on December 30th after a long video montage of all the garbage they allow Republicans to spew. She didn’t have any Dems in that reel because they’re not the ones out there lying. Now, anyone who thinks Stephanopoulos is a liberal should remember that he got his debate questions from Sean Hannity whose radio show ,tiny tim appears on frequently. What’s really going on here is that unlike networks, Rachel is allowed to deliver real news on her show. She’s not kissing the ass of Republicans or allowing them to come on and spew lies. This is why, while she’s repeatedly requested interviews with Dick Cheney, Liz Cheney and even Joe Lieberman, they won’t come on her show. They’re afraid of her. That’s why they all go on fox. No fear of journalistic standards because they don’t have any. All of you teabaggers should stop changing the subject when confronted with your lying, ignorant and uneducated Republican and Conservative politicians. There’s a reason they’re in the minority party. It’s because the teabagger party is even smaller than the GOP. As Rachel would say, “Enjoy the wilderness”.

Who’s claiming there were no attacks SINCE 9/11? The right kept score on Clinton claiming attacks on embassies as domestic events. There were many of those during Bush’s watch and subsequent to 9/11. Not to mention the thousands of dead and maimed in Iraq, a self inflicted wound by Bush. Giuliani — in your heart you know he’s nuts.

No, moron! She goes after people who are blatant liars. It just so happens that the GOP is filled with liars. They’ve clearly brainwashed your stupid ass because you haven’t mentioned once that she was right and Rudy was wrong. Do you have anything to say about those facts? Why can’t you comment on that. George Stephanopoulos admitted his mistake. See, that’s what journalists are supposed to do. Stop watching fox. It’s literally making all who watch it STUPID! Just look at the crap that they’re spewing about the President not using the word terror. How stupid did all of you look when Rachel and several others whipped out that video?
Even more idiotic, is the notion that using a word specific word will be helpful. That whole “War On Terror” thing is pathetic. As the President has stated, terror is a tactic. To say you’re in a war on tactics doesn’t make sense. That’s like saying there’s a war on kick boxing. It’s a tactic. Try a war on Kick boxers or a war against terrorists! Of course teabaggers are so ignorant, they clearly don’t understand the distinction. Go back to school!

By the way, Rudy pushed that bullshit on Larry King, who let him get away with it, and then, he was on GMAand Morning Joe at the same time yesterday where he tried to push that same junk. Oddly enough the Star Search Spokesmodel Mika called him out on that and his lie about Obama waiting 12 days. King let him get away with that one repeatedly and so did Stephanopoulos. The reason Stephanopoulos got the big blow back is because GMA’s ratings are the second largest. The Today Show is still number one. This is part of the perception that fox is # 1. They may be # 1 in cable morning show ratings but, the networks are still kicking all of their asses. So, the teabaggers are led to believe that they’re part of a large group of Americans when they’re NOT! No one watches Morning Joe. He’s dead last and it’s largely because of Liberals. We watched his show during the elections but, once Obama won, we stopped watching him. The teabaggers watch fox which is why they’re all so misinformed and ignorant.

Snipzor says:
January 9, 2010 at 9:37 am

None of those were AQ or of the same nature as a “radical-Islamic terror attack,” sans the Shoe Bomber, which was is considered a “failed attack.”

Ellacott says:
January 9, 2010 at 10:50 am

Rachel frequently goes after other lefties. She has also been critical of Obama.

She has been critical of Obama for not being Liberal enough… there’s a difference.

The AP has been going after Obama since the election. The AP leans conservative. Another unsubstantiated claim.

Yes, claiming that the AP leans right is an unsubstantiated claim. Why did you make it?

Isn’t the inclusion of “radical-Islamic terror attack” simply grasping at straws? I mean, we are talking about homeland security, religion is completely irrelevant to the discussion (Especially considering the history of Christian terrorism in America).

Trying to distinguish whether it was Islamic related is just another way for the GOP to pick and choose. It’s bullshit! Deal with the fact that Bush had the most terror attacks of any president in recent history, going all the way back to Regan. Republicans talk a good game about keeping us safe but, they didn’t and the worst attack happend on their watch. They blame Clinton for the 1993 bombings but, somehow, they want to give Bush a pass? 6 deaths in the 93 bombings, 3,000 on 911. By the way, did the Democrats raise money off the 3,000 dead at the Trade Center? Can anyone tell me which, if any Dems tried to raise money off the deaths of 3,000 Americans? Don’t you find it odd that, Terry Moran was the only one so far, who has confronted Republicans on that? Well, Rachel and Keith have but, what about what many of the idiots who watch fox call the Liberal Media? Did anyone at fox call out Republicans and specifically Pete Hoekstra?

Here’s another example of the hypocricy that is the Republican party. These campaign ads will write themselves for Democrats. While it’s not related to this latest pack of like from the GOP, it points to this party penchant for hypocricy and lies.

From the wingnut hated Dailykos:

“Taking a cue from a number of other notable Republicans, Delaware’s congressman and senatorial candidate Mike Castle is taking credit for stimulus funds that he voted against:
In the past two weeks, Castle has blasted multiple press releases publicizing stimulus funds awarded to his state. In his most recent release, he not only calls the money “imperative,” but in “announcing” the funds, he tacitly claims credit for securing them:

Washington | January 7, 2010 – Delaware Congressman Mike Castle announced today that $5,230,610 has been awarded to the State to assist families and individuals in need. [...] “As we face the coldest season of the year, it is imperative we provide those programs serving Delaware’s most disadvantaged families and individuals with the resources necessary to house, feed, and protect those in desperate need,” said Rep. Castle. “These grants, totaling more than $5 million, will help the invaluable organizations and programs which are working to help the homeless, hungry, and those facing economic hardship throughout the State.”

Nowhere on the release is the source of they funds or the word “stimulus” mentioned. But the stimulus Castle opposed is the source of the “imperative” funds he now champions.
And as Lee Fang at Think Progress points out, Castle and his Republican brethren regularly alternate between taking credit for the benefits of the stimulus and denouncing it as a waste.

Hypocrisy upon hypocrisy. Otherwise known as business as usual.”

The GOP, where liars are welcomed!

Well, I am out of here.

This site, which I like, and find entertaining for the content, has become a place filled with nasty hateful people who just attack other commenters. “moron, idiot, dumbass, teabaggers, brainwashed, liars, ignorant,…”

nice. real nice.

best way to lose traffic is to allow this kind of incivility .

The truth hurst! What would you call anyone who spouts GOP talking points? A genius? Yes, perhaps you should go. Lightweights who spew GOP talking points without facts should head over to their nearest teabagger site where they’re idiocy is accepted. Civility went out the window with all of the Nazi, racist, teabagger signs that have nothing to do with this administration. Remember hillbillies, that this President gave tax breaks to people like you while Bush gave 2 of them to the Rich. By the way, I guess none of you were able to find instances of Democrats raising money off the dead bodies?

That’s hurts! Don’t want to be confused with ignorant, stupid, dumbass, teabaggers!

By the way, here’s another talking point that you won’t hear from the GOP, from Greg Sargent of the Plumline on an article by Mike Tomasky

“If you’re like a lot of people — Liz Cheney, say — you’ve been wondering why Barack Obama seems to think the rights of terrorists are more important than the lives of the American people and wants to give them civilian trials and let them get “lawyered up,” in the suddenly voguish phrase, so they can take advantage of sneaky liberal wrinkles in the law inserted in there by sneaky liberal defense lawyers and judges over the years. This is instead of hauling them before military tribunals, the current hot right-wing talking point.

Oh, you’re not one of those people? Okay, then. You might therefore be interested to know the following.

The Bush administration — in which Liz Cheney’s papa held a fairly high position, you might recall — prosecuted, after 9-11, 828 people on terrorism charges in civilian courts. At the time of publication of this excellent report from the Center on Law and Security, NYU School of Law last year, trials were still pending against 235 of those folks. That leaves 593 resolved indictments, of which 523 were convicted of some crime, for a conviction rate of 88%.

With regard to military tribunals, the Bush administration inaugurated 20 such cases. So far just three convictions have been won. The highest-profile is the conviction of Salim Hamdan, Osama bin Laden’s driver. The Hamdan legal saga, rehearsed here, doesn’t exactly suggest that military tribunals provide swifter and surer and tougher justice. In the end, he was convicted all right, but sentenced — not by a bunch of New York City Democrats, but by a military jury! — to five and half years.”

Then, the tribunal judge, a US Navy captain, gave Hamdan credit for time served, which was five years. So he served six months after conviction. Today he’s back in — guess where? — Yemen.

So here’s the situation. Bush/Cheney found civilian prosecution a perfectly acceptable path to pursue in 828 cases. They’ve won convictions at an impressive rate in those civilian prosecutions. The most high-profile military prosecution was kind of a disaster.
And yet, Obama is a weakling because Abdulmutallab is being treated the way the Bush administration treated 828 “suspects,” to use a word the right has declared reveals a girly-mannish mindset. Amazing. And again: where are the Democrats who are saying this?”
Ouch! I told you the truth hurts. Let’s hope the Dems will use this obvious information to further pummel the lying GOP with!

Sarainitaly, your refusal to recognize Rudy’s revisionism speaks volumes. This is not the first time he has tried to rewrite the history of 9/11 and attempted to portray Bush as a hero, when the truth is Bush and Cheeny were caught WAY off guard despite the numerous warnings from Clinton and Richard Clare (whom team Bush demoted, despite the fact Clark knew more about Osama Bin Laden than just about anyone). Bush didn’t even hold a meeting on Al Queda until 9/10/01. You may want to be like Rudy and forget certain facts that don’t fit a meme, but the rest of us remember the bumbling that day and Bush’s ignoring of the PDB and his month-long vacation.

And on a personal note, I hope you DO leave this site, because you are the reason I don’t come back anymore. You comment on every single post and also in the most nasty, partisan fashion. Go away and let others have a say why don’t you. Tired of you attacking only Democrats or journalists you perceive as biased and refusing to lay blame on those who blatantly lie on television, just because they are Republicans.

sarainitaly, roxsteady is obviously dealing with some deep seated anger issues. after awhile, you learn to skip over her posts because it becomes not worth the effort of wading through her nastiness and name calling to see if she does offer a good counterpoint. would hate to lose your reasoned debate on here because of roxsteady’s childish level of discourse.

I agree – Sarahinitaly adds nothing of value to this site.
Hope she can take imnotblue and tft with her….

I didn’t think Rachel could get any worse. After all, what could be more brain-numbing than a month spent covering legislative developments from Uganda? But with Rachel, there is always room for another decline in ratings, and she is unrelenting in her race to the bottom.

Anybody with half a brain knows that Rudy Giuliani was talking about terrorism post-9/11. Does Maddow seriously think that Rudy is a 9-11 denier? For that kind of lunacy you need to talk to Obama appointees like Van Jones.

I know right, how dare she talk about a nation violating human rights, because it should always be about America, even though there are many American Christian groups who can be held responsible for the passing of the law that kills people for their sexual orientation. How dare she talk about that.

Also, there was terrorism on American soil you thicksicle.

People who mention my negative comments towards them without speaking to the content of what I’ve written expose themselves as morons! Why can’t you just comment on the content? I’ll ask again, in the face of the facts I post, your response is to ignore the content? Why? Because that’s what ignorant people do when confronted with facts they can’t refute. As for that “anybody with a half a brain bullshit” Rudy was on tv for 3 days spewing those lies. And what does Van Jones have to do with this? This is why Liberals thing teabaggers are stupid. Because they prove it every time they speak or type. What did you think of the post on terror prosecutions in Federal Court vs Military Tribunals? If I ask you nicely, can you respond with anything that’s coherant to that post? I doubt it.

sarainitaly says:
January 9, 2010 at 10:17 am
I also wonder if Maddow watched Giuliani on Morning Joe – Mike Barnicle and Mika followed up on Giuliani’s statements.

I’m curious, did anyone on fox call out Rudy? Or, did they make a feeble attempt like yours to defend this duplicitous adulterer?

Rachel kicks ass! Just ask Dick Armey, Tom Coburn, Tom Ridge and now Rudy. All for lying. You got a problem with that? Why? Do you enjoy listening to people blatantly lie?

Aren’t any of you GOP or tea party supporters curious as to why all of the Republicans are pushing these Military Tribunals without ever mentioning their poor conviction rate? I’m sure that if you actually read what I posted, you now know. They’ve been playing on the ignorance of their supporters. They deliberately withhold those facts from you. Instead of getting angry at Liberals for pointing you towards the facts, perhaps you should head over to your favorite wingnut site and enlighten them?

“Whatever the Mayor meant, it’s not what he said. All of you who have pointed out that I should have pressed him on that misstatement in the moment are right. My mistake, my responsibility. “

George Stephanopoulos Jan 8, 2009
George’s Bottom Line

Anyone who actually watches Fox, much alone believes any of the dangerous BS they spin and sell, this is their future:

Sample of the psychos who give them their ratings (and they know it)

June 2009:

Gunman Jim David Atkinson (a big Hannity fan) was arrested by Knoxville police following his killing of two people and shooting eight others at a children’s play. The Tennessee man said he commited the crimes in order to “kill liberals.”

When authorities searched Atkinson’s house among the items found was the book “Liberalism is a Mental Health Disorder” by conservative radio talk show host Michael Savage.

“— who opened fire on a Unitarian Church musical performance in July, killing two and wounding seven more, because he hated liberals”

“Jim David Atkinson engaged in a killing spree in February. Last July he had written “This was a symbolic killing. Who I wanted to kill was every Democrat in the Senate and House, the one hundred people in Bernand Goldberg’s Book.” The book to which Atkinson referred was Bernand Goldberg’s “100 people who are screwing up America”

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RoxSteady,

You analysis is like a beacon in the fog of night. Very illuminating indeed!

I agree with maddow completely on this issue. Don’t get me started on Rudy pushing his boy Bernie Keric to be in charge of DHS.
@sarahinitaly “..This site, which I like, and find entertaining for the content, has become a place filled with nasty hateful people who just attack other commenters. “moron, idiot, dumbass, teabaggers, brainwashed, liars, ignorant,…”
It would be a shame to lose your comments, sarainitaly. I learned to recognize a screename, knowing it will be filled with the usual, boring invective, and I just skip past it.

As a web site that covers the media, I would think that the failure of George to follow up on Giuliani would be the more relevant issue. Both sides have people who go out and spew their talking points. It is up to the media to challenge them, which was not done here.

As a Hillary Clinton supporter and former life long Dem voter, I find many of the uninformed attacks from the liberals on this site hysterical.

personwhomakescomments says:
January 9, 2010 at 1:25 pm
I agree – Sarahinitaly adds nothing of value to this site.

I guess I would be considered valuable if I just wrote repeatedly, “ignorant, stupid, dumbass, teabaggers” over and over again. Unlike you, I prefer a site with varying opinions, and interesting discussion. Apparently this isn’t the place for that.

shootfromthehip says:
January 9, 2010 at 1:16 pm
And on a personal note, I hope you DO leave this site, because you are the reason I don’t come back anymore. You comment on every single post and also in the most nasty, partisan fashion.

That is so funny – you continuously tell me that I am the reason you don’t come to this site anymore…but yet, you keep coming back. And you are so very, very wrong. I do not comment on every single post, far from it. And I do not attack in a nasty partisan fashion – I respond to the partisan content.

roxsteady says:
January 9, 2010 at 12:30 pma
The truth hurst! What would you call anyone who spouts GOP talking points? A genius? Yes, perhaps you should go. Lightweights who spew GOP talking points without facts should head over to their nearest teabagger site where they’re idiocy is accepted.

It’s *where their idiocy is accepted* and *the truth hurts*. When calling people idiots you might want to not reveal your own short comings.

Stephanopoulos gets a big, fat “F” on this one. Had he nipped it in the bud with Giuliani sitting across from him,the partisan attack dogs wouldn’t be having a field day. I ask ; did Stephanopoulos intentionally let this get by him, knowing the avalanche of heat ( not light) it would generate?

Trickletown says:
January 9, 2010 at 4:06 pm
Stephanopoulos gets a big, fat “F” on this one.

Which I believe was my original point…however my pointing it out led to ugly and rude partisan attacks directed at me, including you.

sarainitaly says:
January 9, 2010 at 9:16 am
Obviously Giuliani left off “since 9/11″ I don’t think anyone can think he *forgot* about that day. The real blatant error was Stephanopoulos not addressing it during the interview. George was quick to defend Obama on his *my muslim faith* slip up, but he doesn’t notice this?

Do you honestly think Giuliani forgot about 9/11?

dear sarah, you might want to re-research your allegation against me.

Get real, Roxsteady. For the Left to attack 9-11 deniers, and use Rudy Giuliani as their example shows how vacuous they’ve become. There are plenty of real 9-11 deniers, and they hang out at the Daily Kos and other fringe web sites on the left. Instead Maddow focuses on one of the most vigilant anti-terror crusaders in the country? Even among Democrats, only the most brain dead will see this as anything more than desperate spin-mongering.

felixw,

Rhetoric and demagoguery doesn’t make somebody a “vigilant anti-terror crusader”.

Now go back to SignOnSanDiego and take Sister Sarah from Vatican city with you.

It would be a shame to lose your comments, sarainitaly. I learned to recognize a screename, knowing it will be filled with the usual, boring invective, and I just skip past it.

I read this to mean you were calling my comments boring. If I misread, and you were tellimg me to ignore certain people, I apologize. When I first read this, I thought you were being sarcastic, and then calling me boring. reading it again, I think I misunderstood you. If I did, I apologize. I was actually bummed when I read that, because I enjoyed your comments, and have found you to be a fair and entertaining commenter, and we have some things in common, like our dislike of Olbermann, and like of Redeye. I think by the time I reached your comment I was a but defensive, due to the ones by others.

Sorry if I misunderstood.

sorry for typos, i am typing in the dark and can’t see what i am doing.

sarainitaly, thank you for the re-assessment, all is well.

None of those were AQ or of the same nature as a “radical-Islamic terror attack,” sans the Shoe Bomber, which was is considered a “failed attack.”

Ellacott says:
January 9, 2010 at 10:50 am

Rachel frequently goes after other lefties. She has also been critical of Obama.

She has been critical of Obama for not being Liberal enough… there’s a difference.

The AP has been going after Obama since the election. The AP leans conservative. Another unsubstantiated claim.

Yes, claiming that the AP leans right is an unsubstantiated claim. Why did you make it?

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It’s not unsubstantiated.

[url]http://mediamatters.org/columns/200807220006[/url]

We know all about Chris and KO, but what about Rachel? She looks mannish but . . . well, can someone enlighten me?

fanofamerica says:
January 9, 2010 at 1:24 pm

Thank you, and I have to agree about her comments. I am finding them smattered all over the internet now – the same repeated attacks, over and over again. Me thinks somebody has some issues… hhaa

Thanks for your nice comments. :O)

It’s obvious Giuliani was misunderstood. These so-called professionals like Maddow don’t want to listen. She just wanted some fuel to make a fire. Smart Americans who pay attention are not ignorant, we are just bored with the tirades.

ROXSTEADY. I must say that you indeed must have been brainwashed if you feel that anyone who has an opinion different from yours is a liar, a moron, an idiot, an asskisser, yada yada yada. And I’m amused that you think only Republicans and Conservatives are liars. Let me shine some light on the subject – they ALL lie. Stop being so damn ignorant that you can’t see the forest through the trees.

It seems that Ms. Madcow’s penis envy is showing again.

pyrope says:
January 9, 2010 at 11:09 pm

Probaby because Rudy looks better in a dress than Rachel.:P

roxsteady says:
January 9, 2010 at 11:14 am

Well, to be honest, I thought about for a while trying to figure out why they
would be excluded from domestic terrorism.

The DC snipers: These guys were more extortionists and ‘crazy serial killers’
than terrorists. Did they terrorize people? Of course. Are they terrorist though?
There are good arguments for both ‘they are’ and ‘they are not’.

Anthrax killer:Again this has good arguments for ‘he’s a terrorist’ and ‘He isn’t a
terrorist.’ Out of curiosity, did they ever catch this guy?

Now maybe you see them as domestic terrorism but maybe Rudy doesn’t?

Giuliani was misunderstood? I love that, what about his boy Kerik? I just hope this puts an end to Rudy’s riding the trail of blood from 9/11 to whatever political future he was grasping for.

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