Nice try, Tommy. Palin resigned, thereby allowing someone else to fill her position and continue governing. The Wisconsin Democratic senators, on the other hand, ran away to prevent the legislature from doing its job. Not even a close comparison.

Absolutely, Sarah is correct. Here is a funny video depicting what would happen if these 14 Democrats were at the Alamo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDw2pvjrSAA

They word it differently , but someone at the NYT has realized what the public union thugs have done to the states .

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/opinion/06sun1.html?_r=2

If the non-legislators who ran away were not Democrats , the late night jokes about them would be nonstop .

Judge Mental said:
Nice try, Tommy. Palin resigned, thereby allowing someone else to fill her position and continue governing. The Wisconsin Democratic senators, on the other hand, ran away to prevent the legislature from doing its job. Not even a close comparison.

OMG. Did you write that with a straight face? You conservatives crack me up.

The lefties greatest fear is Sarah .

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/islamophobia_and_palinphobia.html

Just like she fired herself, when she realized she was not up to the job.

Whether you hate Palin or not, she’s right. The legislators that have fled from Wisconsin and Indiana are in dereliction of their duty. They are traitors, not patriots. Most Americans (that aren’t brain dead) realize we elect legislators to legislate, not run away and hide.

Whoa, Tommy. I hope you didn’t pull something reaching for that one cuz you were really extending your yourself. That’s the worst analogy in the history of the bad analogy’s. If I had the power, I’d put in the worst analogy’s Hall of Fame. Get the sleep out of your eyes and try again, buddy.

Is this the same Tommy Christopher who wrote this about “abuse” of the filibuster rule?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/keith-olbermann-uses-star-trek-to-explain-the-current-filibuster-rule/

Emma said:
OMG. Did you write that with a straight face? You conservatives crack me up.

If you didn’t show up for work, what would happen?

Oh no the words reloaded I must get mad and make insults about Palin. Instead I’ll yawn and move on with my day.

skyfet said:
Just like she fired herself, when she realized she was not up to the job.

OK… so can we replace the 14 Senators just like Sarah was replaced??? Since these Senators are “not up to the job”. Alaska continued to be governed. WI is NOT. Attack Palin all you want for leaving… it helps me to attack these Senators for leaving.

Eh. They’re folding.

Point and laugh, folks. Point and laugh. I’m really going to miss the smelly hippies chanting, though.

Emma said:
OMG. Did you write that with a straight face? You conservatives crack me up.

OMG. Did you write THAT with a strait face. You liberals crack me up.

tatboy said:
OK… so can we replace the 14 Senators just like Sarah was replaced??? Since these Senators are “not up to the job”. Alaska continued to be governed. WI is NOT. Attack Palin all you want for leaving… it helps me to attack these Senators for leaving.

I think they should all be recalled, including the Governor. Then all the Republicans would be thrown out. He is not going to pass that bill as it is, 2 of his own are wavering already, and more might be joining. What do you think they’ll do when a recall is sanctioned. The Fox crowd would have us believe that they are doing the will of the people. We’d see what their will is when a recall is sanctioned. You jokers, you’ve just increased the awareness of the general public, which would grantee them throwing your tea party behind out of office.

Can you imagine if a dem Gov passed a healthcare bill and 14 Repub senators ran away and hid in an undisclosed location? And if, like theses Senators, their expenses were being paid by a lobbying group? Tommy, MSNBC & the other lefty hypocrites would be having a shit fit. But, that’s cuz they’re a bunch of hypocrites. Oh, and the MSM would be (rightfully) ripping the fleebaggers. But, since it’s Dems doing it, every thing is just peachy. It’s too bad we have such a corrupt media in this country. But, the positive is that they are so overwhelmingly corrupt that everybody recognizes it.

tatboy said:
OMG. Did you write THAT with a strait face. You liberals crack me up.

My guess is Emma is a recipient of numerous checks and subsidies from the government. Those that think it’s perfectly ok to just not show up for work, or not do your job if you do show up are usually welfare queens or union members.

skyfet said:
He is not going to pass that bill as it is, 2 of his own are wavering already, and more might be joining.

Nope. See the NYT link in my 9:45.

What do you think they’ll do when a recall is sanctioned.

Walker can’t be recalled. He’s too new.

You jokers, you’ve just increased the awareness of the general public, which would grantee them throwing your tea party behind out of office.

See you in 2012!

lonestar77 said:
Can you imagine if a dem Gov passed a healthcare bill and 14 Repub senators ran away and hid in an undisclosed location? And if, like theses Senators, their expenses were being paid by a lobbying group? Tommy, MSNBC & the other lefty hypocrites would be having a shit fit. But, that’s cuz they’re a bunch of hypocrites. Oh, and the MSM would be (rightfully) ripping the fleebaggers. But, since it’s Dems doing it, every thing is just peachy. It’s too bad we have such a corrupt media in this country. But, the positive is that they are so overwhelmingly corrupt that everybody recognizes it.

The media’s take on it, Dem legislators flee: Freedom fighter patriots. Republican legislators flee: Traitors.

It won’t change, the media is the dems wholly owned subsidiary.

Big Eddie said:
The lefties greatest fear is Sarah .

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/03/islamophobia_and_palinphobia.html

I hate to say it but you are right. *sigh*

BadGenome said:
Is this the same Tommy Christopher who wrote this about “abuse” of the filibuster rule?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/keith-olbermann-uses-star-trek-to-explain-the-current-filibuster-rule/

You leave Keith Olbermann alone! I mean it!

skyfet said:
I think they should all be recalled, including the Governor. Then all the Republicans would be thrown out. He is not going to pass that bill as it is, 2 of his own are wavering already, and more might be joining. What do you think they’ll do when a recall is sanctioned. The Fox crowd would have us believe that they are doing the will of the people. We’d see what their will is when a recall is sanctioned. You jokers, you’ve just increased the awareness of the general public, which would grantee them throwing your tea party behind out of office.

You certainly sound confident. I don’t know where you got your clairvoyance to predict the future but good luck with that. As for me I think logic and common sense dictate that the Gov. holds all the cards at this point. The Repub are currently using this opportunity to pass legislation that they can pass without the Dems willing to do their job. The 4 Senator the unions are targeting for recall are safe, even the unions are calling it a long shot to recall the 4. Even if the Unions are successful, recall will take months. I don’t believe the people of WI will tolerate the Dems fleebagging that long. Just my opinion.

BadGenome said:
Is this the same Tommy Christopher who wrote this about “abuse” of the filibuster rule?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/keith-olbermann-uses-star-trek-to-explain-the-current-filibuster-rule/

What part of that article do you think contradicts what I’ve written here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhMepzqJvIw

She comin south to hunt some skunk!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Tommy Christopher said:
What part of that article do you think contradicts what I’ve written here?

One small problem Tommy. Sarah Plain was replaced and the AK govt. was allowed to continue. if the Dems want to do the same fine… quit in protest. Then you can make your analogy. Otherwise it’s apples and oranges.

Tommy Christopher said:
What part of that article do you think contradicts what I’ve written here?

We desperately need filibuster reform so that the minority doesn’t have an “iron stranglehold on the legislative process”, but state senators going on the lam (a Class I felony under Wisconsin law) to thwart the will of the majority is A-OK and Sarah Palin has no right to criticize them because she resigned (which is no felony under any state’s law)? Seems… inconsistent.

BadGenome said:
We desperately need filibuster reform so that the minority doesn’t have an “iron stranglehold on the legislative process”, but state senators going on the lam (a Class I felony under Wisconsin law) to thwart the will of the majority is A-OK and Sarah Palin has no right to criticize them because she resigned (which is no felony under any state’s law)? Seems… inconsistent.

I mean, I CAN see the consistency but not without checking whether there’s an R or a D after the names of the people involved.

BadGenome said:
I mean, I CAN see the consistency but not without checking whether there’s an R or a D after the names of the people involved.

Can’t you google the names? or you just enjoy being spoon fed.

We got along just fine in Feb. with very little of Palin offering her 2 cents worth. {actual value, not just old saying}

Is their any good reason to care at all about this media celebrity with no expertise in anything offering her superficial talking points?

Can’t we just ask, Stephen Baldwin, or Fabio, or some other Fox guest for their valuable insight?

CosmosDan said:
We got along just fine in Feb. with very little of Palin offering her 2 cents worth. {actual value, not just old saying}

Is their any good reason to care at all about this media celebrity with no expertise in anything offering her superficial talking points?

Can’t we just ask, Stephen Baldwin, or Fabio, or some other Fox guest for their valuable insight?

Succinct. Brutal. Perfect. This should be the last post ever made on Sarah Palin. Well done, Dan.

She Retreated from her job as Gov.

HAHAHAHAHAHA Oh my Tommy – I needed this hilarious post by you to wakeup this morning.

Do you not get how funny this post is? It’s beyond HILARIOUS!

Tommy Christopher said:
What part of that article do you think contradicts what I’ve written here?

Also, there is far more difference between a legislative body imposing “sanctions” and private citizens imposing “sanctions” on a politician. Your being a shill is not gonna help the cause, but keep at it. :)

CosmosDan said:
We got along just fine in Feb. with very little of Palin offering her 2 cents worth. {actual value, not just old saying}

Is their any good reason to care at all about this media celebrity with no expertise in anything offering her superficial talking points?

Can’t we just ask, Stephen Baldwin, or Fabio, or some other Fox guest for their valuable insight?

If by got along, you mean brought out the crazies….then sure. If you’d like to show me where people “got along” on this site, please do so. :)

skyfet said:
Can’t you google the names? or you just enjoy being spoon fed.

He’s not a liberal – therefore no spoon is needed.

WCinWI said:
He’s not a liberal – therefore no spoon is needed.

Smack!

The Wisconsin lawmaker who was on with Greta the other night pointed out that her job is to represent her constituents and that includes more than just voting; As we’ve seen from both sides in Congress, it also includes parliamentary procedures, committee hearings, fact-finding missions, lobbying, oversight and communications to just name a few.

timzank said:
Whether you hate Palin or not, she’s right. The legislators that have fled from Wisconsin and Indiana are in dereliction of their duty. They are traitors, not patriots. Most Americans (that aren’t brain dead) realize we elect legislators to legislate, not run away and hide.

I commented previously that I wasn’t following the early days of this battle because I saw it as a local issue. It has since grown and the media (starting with Fox) has forced it onto the national stage, but the fact remains that these fourteen individual legislators were elected by the people in their district. It is their job to represent their constituent’s interests and it is up to those who elected them, whether they are fulfilling the task.

It isn’t up to some guy a couple of states away (myself), an anchor in New York or a politician living so far away, she’s (literally) in her own time zone. Though because she may run for President someday, Ms. Palin has every right to curry favor with the Wisconsonites not living in the fourteen districts and with those who do, but oppose their representatives actions; the anchor has every right to opine on a local story as do myself and others, but it’s up to the people in those fourteen districts whether they’d like to recall their reps or choose to punish them at the polls.

Magister said:
The Wisconsin lawmaker who was on with Greta the other night pointed out that her job is to represent her constituents and that includes more than just voting; As we’ve seen from both sides in Congress, it also includes parliamentary procedures, committee hearings, fact-finding missions, lobbying, oversight and communications to just name a few.

I commented previously that I wasn’t following the early days of this battle because I saw it as a local issue. It has since grown and the media (starting with Fox) has forced it onto the national stage, but the fact remains that these fourteen individual legislators were elected by the people in their district. It is their job to represent their constituent’s interests and it is up to those who elected them, whether they are fulfilling the task.

It isn’t up to some guy a couple of states away (myself), an anchor in New York or a politician living so far away, she’s (literally) in her own time zone. Though because she may run for President someday, Ms. Palin has every right to curry favor with the Wisconsonites not living in the fourteen districts and with those who do, but oppose their representatives actions; the anchor has every right to opine on a local story as do myself and others, but it’s up to the people in those fourteen districts whether they’d like to recall their reps or choose to punish them at the polls.

This is one of the most absurd posts that I have ever seen. I hold you to a higher standard. This did not fit the bill.

Anyone supporting the fleeing of any politician from their duty to vote on legislation, whether for or against, is beyond insane.

im_lovin_it said:
Succinct. Brutal. Perfect. This should be the last post ever made on Sarah Palin. Well done, Dan.

Gosh,…..I’m fixin’ to blush.

Thanks for the kind words.

WCinWI said:
Anyone supporting the fleeing of any politician from their duty to vote on legislation, whether for or against, is beyond insane.

Anyone who uses this kind of hyperbole, is beyond hyperbolic. :-}

CosmosDan said:
Anyone who uses this kind of hyperbole, is beyond hyperbolic. :-}

Good – then I welcome any Republican President to pass legislation and not expect Dems to be present. Therefore I don’t care which R wins as long as R’s have the House and Senate, that’s all that’s going to matter.

Time to use Dem. tactics. Bring on 2012! :)

CosmosDan said:
Anyone who uses this kind of hyperbole, is beyond hyperbolic. :-}

Where’s my Ipod????

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/jesse-jackson-jr-says-way-out-of-the-unemployment-crisis-is-to-change-the-constitutional-so-every-ghetto-kid-gets-an-ipod-and-a-laptop/

If you say an elected official should be “fired”, you are just saying that they should be voted out of office or recalled. So I think that is a valid argument to make. Even now the recall petitions are circulating on both sides of the issue.

WCinWI said:
This is one of the most absurd posts that I have ever seen. I hold you to a higher standard. This did not fit the bill.

Anyone supporting the fleeing of any politician from their duty to vote on legislation, whether for or against, is beyond insane.

I haven’t really followed the Wisconsin battle with the fervor that I might if I lived in that particular state, but via the blogs and whatever reporting that I’ve watched, I’ve seen a lot of anchors and pundits hold forth on what those individual legislators should do, but I’ve seen nothing to indicate that there’s a groundswell of opposition from their constituents and if their position was really threatened, I suspect they’d come home.

As for the act of fleeing, I’ve commented previously that they successfully slowed down the bill so that it can be properly considered and where everyone in Wisconsin can know what it contains.

@WCinWI: PS) Out of curiosity… is there a movement afoot to change the state’s constitution?

“We have to pass the bill so you can find out what is in it …”

Pelosi

Magister?

Magister said:
I haven’t really followed the Wisconsin battle with the fervor that I might if I lived in that particular state, but via the blogs and whatever reporting that I’ve watched, I’ve seen a lot of anchors and pundits hold forth on what those individual legislators should do, but I’ve seen nothing to indicate that there’s a groundswell of opposition from their constituents and if their position was really threatened, I suspect they’d come home.

As for the act of fleeing, I’ve commented previously that they successfully slowed down the bill so that it can be properly considered and where everyone in Wisconsin can know what it contains.

I live in the state and there are recall efforts in the works for several folks on either side of the aisle. That said, the ones that are R’s were voted in, in 2008 so suffice it to say, they more than likely will stay in office more than those on the D. side. We have a deeply held tea party/conservative talk radio spirit in this state and there are tons of people getting active at the political level.

Magister said:
@WCinWI: PS) Out of curiosity… is there a movement afoot to change the state’s constitution?

I haven’t seen/heard anything about that. If there would be, I’d think it’d be a balanced budget amendment or something, but I haven’t heard anything about that. Why? Is there something in the internet world about it?

I voted for Walker. I like him. And he did great things for Milwaukee County. He is serious Presidential material and I sincerely think it will be leaders like him that will take a stand over unpopular political issues. He’s really a good guy too.

Magister said:
As for the act of fleeing, I’ve commented previously that they successfully slowed down the bill so that it can be properly considered and where everyone in Wisconsin can know what it contains.

This was my take on it. It seems in DC there are plenty of ways to delay legislation, and to even avoid a realistic discussion rather than have one. I don’t know what the state laws are , but it occurs to me that even the minority ought to able to insist on some discussion and opportunity to make their case to those they represent. If the guidelines are that leaving the state is their only option to do that, I don’t see it as much different than what’s done in DC by both parties.

At some point though, we have to move on. We are a nation of laws, and if we remain involved , laws passed today can be changed in the next election.

WCinWI said:
I live in the state and there are recall efforts in the works for several folks on either side of the aisle. That said, the ones that are R’s were voted in, in 2008 so suffice it to say, they more than likely will stay in office more than those on the D. side. We have a deeply held tea party/conservative talk radio spirit in this state and there are tons of people getting active at the political level.

Again, I haven’t really followed, but I assume the fourteen legislators in Wisconsin are from relatively safe districts and that most, if not all represent a large voting bloc of those who would be affected by the bill.

As for the possibility that Tea Party sensibilities are increasing in Wisconsin, I have no reason to doubt it, but Madison and Milwaukee have always had a progressive reputation, plus Wisconsin has the 15th or 16th highest percentage of workers represented by a union (I counted a few days ago and don’t remember the precise ranking) and I suspect that though there may be conservative elements in the remainder of the state, it probably has limited influence in these particular districts.

CosmosDan said:
At some point though, we have to move on. We are a nation of laws, and if we remain involved , laws passed today can be changed in the next election.

There was a report over the weekend that the fourteen runaway legislators were close to returning — their parliamentary act has run its course — but they wanted to take care of a couple of things first, possibly including an agreement that they won’t be arrested on their way to vote.

That “report” has been denied by the 14 runaways.

Hey Tommy….. watch your back…. Schneider’s comin’ for ya and he don’t play when it comes to his Palin!!

Religion of Peace said:
That “report” has been denied by the 14 runaways.

Denying the report could be political positioning.
After all, they’re still seeking concessions.

Magister said:
There was a report over the weekend that the fourteen runaway legislators were close to returning — their parliamentary act has run its course — but they wanted to take care of a couple of things first, possibly including an agreement that they won’t be arrested on their way to vote.

The “report was from the WSJ. ‘Nuff said. More scripted bs from the murdoch propaganda mill. Ever notice how F#X constantly cites WSJ and the NYPost, without acknowledging that they’re owned by the same corp.?

timzank said:
Whether you hate Palin or not, she’s right. The legislators that have fled from Wisconsin and Indiana are in dereliction of their duty. They are traitors, not patriots. Most Americans (that aren’t brain dead) realize we elect legislators to legislate, not run away and hide.

funny you would have that position after spending 2 years celebrating the republicans willingness not to legislate..have you suddeny had a brain fart and come to your senses????……probally not…..you like all simpletons on the right just assume the position opposite of the dems no matter how dumb it makes you look…you morons have no shame

Magister said:
Again, I haven’t really followed, but I assume the fourteen legislators in Wisconsin are from relatively safe districts and that most, if not all represent a large voting bloc of those who would be affected by the bill.

As for the possibility that Tea Party sensibilities are increasing in Wisconsin, I have no reason to doubt it, but Madison and Milwaukee have always had a progressive reputation, plus Wisconsin has the 15th or 16th highest percentage of workers represented by a union (I counted a few days ago and don’t remember the precise ranking) and I suspect that though there may be conservative elements in the remainder of the state, it probably has limited influence in these particular districts.

There are three Dem. Senators that are in moderate to conservative districts. These are the first ones to be worried about. Then, depending on how the state handles the elections process, it will matter upon voter turnout and conservatives care about voter turnout more than Dems. do.

If this bill passes currently as is, unions have the potential to be disbanded or at least made into private operations. That’s what will work out best for the nation. When you get politics out of unions. So you’re saying that two cities, based on poorer populations, should mandate the direction of the rest of the state? Ha!

Magister said:
Denying the report could be political positioning.
After all, they’re still seeking concessions.

They’re already poisoned. As I said, we now have an electorate based on non-anarchy and non-socialists, dictating the direction of the state. The Conservative Party was never hidden, we were just silent. Now we’re gonna turn Lefty and start to use your tactics of forming solid political movements. :)

Magister said:
Denying the report could be political positioning.
After all, they’re still seeking concessions.

One thing I don’t agree with is that either party should have the ability to hold the process hostage until they get what they want. Getting your opportunity to make yourself heard, and making your case to those you represent is a great thing, but at some point the process needs to move on.

Make no mistake , I think the process itself needs a lot of work. Campaign funding is very near the top of my list. It’s horrible.

Holy botox, batman. Palin looks positively freeze-dried.

Joseph Glackin said:
The “report was from the WSJ. ‘Nuff said. More scripted bs from the murdoch propaganda mill. Ever notice how F#X constantly cites WSJ and the NYPost, without acknowledging that they’re owned by the same corp.?

Ever notice how people who bash Fox never know what they’re talking about? Almost without fail, whenever an anchor makes reference to the WSJ, the Post, or SKY TV on the air, they’ll mention that they’re owned by Fox News’ parent corporation.

Religion of Peace said:
That “report” has been denied by the 14 runaways.

And you believe them? Did you believe Obama when he said ObamaCare would lower the cost of healthcare? Did you believe him when he said he would close Gitmo? Did you believe him when he said his plan would save a trillion dollars. LOL

Tommy Christopher said:
Sarah Palin (R-FB)

Nice. Well played. If you want to continue to be funny, you should refer to the individual fleebaggers as (D-Best Western).

WCinWI said:
If this bill passes currently as is, unions have the potential to be disbanded or at least made into private operations. That’s what will work out best for the nation. When you get politics out of unions

The Unions have their problems, but working families certainly deserve as much representation as the business community does. Lets also get rid of the PACs that are used to funnel money into elections so the average citizen has more of an equal voice. If we reduce the voice and influence of labor without also reducing the voice and influence of big business, it will be far too one sided.

lonestar77 said:
Nice. Well played. If you want to continue to be funny, you should refer to the individual fleebaggers as (D-Best Western).

Tommy don’t play dat.

One thing Walker, and now Palin have done is to make sure democrats, liberals and union people show up at the polls next time.

CosmosDan said:
The Unions have their problems, but working families certainly deserve as much representation as the business community does. Lets also get rid of the PACs that are used to funnel money into elections so the average citizen has more of an equal voice. If we reduce the voice and influence of labor without also reducing the voice and influence of big business, it will be far too one sided.

Now that is just too reasonable, Cosmo. Campaign reform is a non starter, especially now that corporations are considered human beings. Soon they will probably get the right to vote.

Forget term limits, do campaign reform and limit contributions to individual citizens, capped at $2K a year. That will not happen, and corporations will continue to buy politicians. So much for government OF the people, FOR the people.

Joseph Glackin said:
F#X constantly cites WSJ and the NYPost, without acknowledging that they’re owned by the same corp.?

LOL, caught in another lie about Fox. Try watching and maybe you won’t look so stupid. In FACT Fox mentions the ownership of the NYPost.

CosmosDan said:
One thing I don’t agree with is that either party should have the ability to hold the process hostage until they get what they want. Getting your opportunity to make yourself heard, and making your case to those you represent is a great thing, but at some point the process needs to move on.

My guess is that the fourteen will return this week. Not only do we have the WSJ report and the fact that it’s pretty close to time, but in her interview with Greta the other night, one of those who had sought refuge in Illinois ruled out a return over the weekend, but she didn’t go any further.

I took this to mean that they’re having internal discussions and it’ll be over in a few days.
—

@WCinWI: Are there petitions or protests in the legislator’s districts? Has there been a groundswell of opposition or is it primarily coming from outside their districts?

CosmosDan said:
The Unions have their problems, but working families certainly deserve as much representation as the business community does. Lets also get rid of the PACs that are used to funnel money into elections so the average citizen has more of an equal voice. If we reduce the voice and influence of labor without also reducing the voice and influence of big business, it will be far too one sided.

Yes – Decertify the union and then allow them to collectively bargain for wages (as they are still allowed in this bill). Get politics out of it and have them form a private union. I’ve already linked to an article that talks about classroom size and how it’s not an issue for collective bargaining.

Also, business community doesn’t get any representation. I’d like to know how they do. People that work in the private sector don’t get “free” money. They pay into their savings or health accounts.

Magister said:
My guess is that the fourteen will return this week. Not only do we have the WSJ report and the fact that it’s pretty close to time, but in her interview with Greta the other night, one of those who had sought refuge in Illinois ruled out a return over the weekend, but she didn’t go any further.

I took this to mean that they’re having internal discussions and it’ll be over in a few days.
—

@WCinWI: Are there petitions or protests in the legislator’s districts? Has there been a groundswell of opposition or is it primarily coming from outside their districts?

From my understanding, the active tea party folks in the local districts have been putting the recall efforts into place. And those people seemed pretty animated about making it happen. Each county or whatever has their own tea party leader, so to speak. I don’t know if it is union recall efforts going on for those people in liberal districts. From my understanding, there are conservatives that would rather vote on this bill and lose their job than to not vote for it.

WCinWI said:
Also, business community doesn’t get any representation. I’d like to know how they do

What I mean are folks like the Koch brothers and other business interests who get influence by making large donations. The Supreme Court decided corporations ought to be considered people and money is a form of free speech. It’s a horrible blow to our democracy , whether the money is coming from Union reps or Big Business.

Turns out Miller has been lying all along…

BadGenome said:
We desperately need filibuster reform so that the minority doesn’t have an “iron stranglehold on the legislative process”,

That’s not what my article says. I favor minority checks on majoritarian tyranny. I said the issue should be decided on the merits, not on political convenience. The only change I favored in that piece was to actually make the filibusterers filibuster.

Judge Mental said:
Nice try, Tommy. Palin resigned, thereby allowing someone else to fill her position and continue governing. The Wisconsin Democratic senators, on the other hand, ran away to prevent the legislature from doing its job. Not even a close comparison.

Exactly. It’s not the same thing at all.

A better, yet not perfect, comparison would be when Obama abandoned his US Senate job after only serving two years, to run for President, for two years.

Please some one explain why Sara Palin is important, she never says anything that is sage, she is cute but she really has nothing to offer anyone. She talks about guns a lot and reloading, she does not seem to finish anything, did she really even graduate from college? Now she has affiliated herself with other nutbags (glen). I do not understand, and i am so sad to see that , Jeanine Pirro has affiliated herself with Fox

CosmosDan said:
What I mean are folks like the Koch brothers and other business interests who get influence by making large donations.

What large donations and what influence do they get for it? Why would Koch Industries give a damn about public employee unions?

The Tea Weasel® said:
Now that is just too reasonable, Cosmo. Campaign reform is a non starter, especially now that corporations are considered human beings. Soon they will probably get the right to vote.

I listened to it over a period of a few weeks on NPR. There were a lot of people who were surprised and upset of the decision, and frankly I’m amazed that more average citizens aren’t seriously PO about it. We’ve talked for years about the horrible money influence of special interests and lobbyists, yet when the SCUS gives all the special interests an open invitation to buy elections at will we’re kind of “ho hum” about it.

The Tea Weasel® said:
Forget term limits, do campaign reform and limit contributions to individual citizens, capped at $2K a year. That will not happen, and corporations will continue to buy politicians. So much for government OF the people, FOR the people.

Right. Individual citizens only.

You’d think this might be the one area where conservatives and liberals might agree, and exercise our influence to change things. Tell our officials they support drastic campaign finance reform or they’re out at the next election, regardless of party. If you don’t support it you won’t make it through party primaries.
Instead we are kept divided over the mundane.

Ummm… you don’t like Palin so the 14 WI Dem congressmen should NOT be fired. Your logic is perfectly in line with most leftist dogma. WTF, Waldo?

Pablo said:
What large donations and what influence do they get for it? Why would Koch Industries give a damn about public employee unions?

The Kochs and their funded PAC made serious donations to Walker and there are things in the bill they stand to benefit from. The reason to reduce the power of Unions has already been made obvious. To reduce their support of the Democrats in future elections.

A better, yet not perfect, comparison would be when Obama abandoned his US Senate job after only serving two years, to run for President, for two years.
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That’s “different.”

CosmosDan said:
The Kochs and their funded PAC made serious donations to Walker and there are things in the bill they stand to benefit from. The reason to reduce the power of Unions has already been made obvious. To reduce their support of the Democrats in future elections.

Transaltion: Kock money=bad!
Soros money=good!

Religion of Peace said:
Transaltion: Kock money=bad!
Soros money=good!

If you actually read my posts you wouldn’t have wasted your time with this BS post.

CosmosDan said:
If you actually read my posts you wouldn’t have wasted your time with this BS post.

I did read your posts, All of them. You never mentioned soros by name but mentioned Koch several times by name.

This is what liberals really think about paying working people.

Huffington Post contributors go on strike, propose collective bargaining
By Steven Nelson – The Daily Caller 8:46 PM 03/04/2011
ADVERTISEMENT Arianna Huffington is being cast by some unpaid Huffington Post contributors as an unethical robber baron. With Huffington awash in funds from AOL’s $315 million purchase of the Huffington Post, contributors have called a strike to demand proper compensation.

The Huffington Post, established in 2005, emerged as a leading source of aggregated news content and liberal commentary written by unpaid contributors. With the success of the site, founder Arianna Huffington rocketed to national fame, frequently appearing as a guest on cable news programs.

Bill Lasarow, Publisher and Co-Editor of Visual Art Source, announced that his organization is “now going on strike. For now, at least, no more content from us will appear on the Huffington Post.”

Visual Art Source members have contributed content to the Huffington Post for free since 2010. Lasarow wrote that “it is unethical to expect trained and qualified professionals to contribute quality content for nothing.”

How far the strike will spread is currently unclear. But Lasarow wrote that his group is calling for broad participation by Huffington Post contributors. “I am also calling upon all others now contributing free content, particularly original content to the Huffington Post to also join us in this strike,” wrote Lasarow.

Lasarow wrote that his organization has two demands. The first, that the Huffington Post develop a system for paying writers and bloggers. The second, for the site to differentiate between paid promotional content and writers’ work.

The group proposes a system of collective bargaining for contributors, expressing hope that they band together to “form a negotiating partnership with Huffington/AOL in order to pursue these and other important matters so as to professionalize this relationship.”

While not paying contributors is perfectly legal, Lasarow noted, it is “unethical and oh so very hypocritical.”

gordonbloyershow said:
This is what liberals really think about paying working people.

The back and forth between Visual Arts, the HuffPo bloggers and management has been covered extensively in the media and what Ms. Huffington says only reflects her beliefs.

CosmosDan said:
I listened to it over a period of a few weeks on NPR. There were a lot of people who were surprised and upset of the decision, and frankly I’m amazed that more average citizens aren’t seriously PO about it. We’ve talked for years about the horrible money influence of special interests and lobbyists, yet when the SCUS gives all the special interests an open invitation to buy elections at will we’re kind of “ho hum” about it.

Right. Individual citizens only.

You’d think this might be the one area where conservatives and liberals might agree, and exercise our influence to change things. Tell our officials they support drastic campaign finance reform or they’re out at the next election, regardless of party. If you don’t support it you won’t make it through party primaries.
Instead we are kept divided over the mundane.

Folks on NPR would be mad if the sun came out. Not exactly the best barometer to use. Just saying.

Sarah Palin has parents? I thought she was raised by wolves. They must be soooo proud. LMAO.

CosmosDan said:
The Kochs and their funded PAC made serious donations to Walker and there are things in the bill they stand to benefit from. The reason to reduce the power of Unions has already been made obvious. To reduce their support of the Democrats in future elections.

The Wisconsin Retirement system also owns a $5.5 stock of bonds in Georgia Pacific. The unions are predicated on Koch doing well. :)

gordonbloyershow said:
This is what liberals really think about paying working people.

Huffington Post contributors go on strike, propose collective bargaining
By Steven Nelson – The Daily Caller 8:46 PM 03/04/2011
ADVERTISEMENT Arianna Huffington is being cast by some unpaid Huffington Post contributors as an unethical robber baron. With Huffington awash in funds from AOL’s $315 million purchase of the Huffington Post, contributors have called a strike to demand proper compensation.

The Huffington Post, established in 2005, emerged as a leading source of aggregated news content and liberal commentary written by unpaid contributors. With the success of the site, founder Arianna Huffington rocketed to national fame, frequently appearing as a guest on cable news programs.

Bill Lasarow, Publisher and Co-Editor of Visual Art Source, announced that his organization is “now going on strike. For now, at least, no more content from us will appear on the Huffington Post.”

Visual Art Source members have contributed content to the Huffington Post for free since 2010. Lasarow wrote that “it is unethical to expect trained and qualified professionals to contribute quality content for nothing.”

How far the strike will spread is currently unclear. But Lasarow wrote that his group is calling for broad participation by Huffington Post contributors. “I am also calling upon all others now contributing free content, particularly original content to the Huffington Post to also join us in this strike,” wrote Lasarow.

Lasarow wrote that his organization has two demands. The first, that the Huffington Post develop a system for paying writers and bloggers. The second, for the site to differentiate between paid promotional content and writers’ work.

The group proposes a system of collective bargaining for contributors, expressing hope that they band together to “form a negotiating partnership with Huffington/AOL in order to pursue these and other important matters so as to professionalize this relationship.”

While not paying contributors is perfectly legal, Lasarow noted, it is “unethical and oh so very hypocritical.”

Maybe if you worked for a union you would be able to provide an extra bathroom to your little house.

Religion of Peace said:
I did read your posts, All of them. You never mentioned soros by name but mentioned Koch several times by name.

Read the ones about campaign finance reform. I mentioned the Koch brothers as a relevant example because they actually did donate significantly to Walker, they have business interests in WI, and there is something in Walkers bill that they may benefit from.

My point being, that if we want to reduce the influence of organized labor in politics , then we need to balance that by reducing the influence of big business as well. That means all bug business, including Soros, so once again , I call BS on your translation. I actually agreed with the private citizen donations only and also agree there should be a limit on how much an individual can donate.

WCinWI said:
Folks on NPR would be mad if the sun came out. Not exactly the best barometer to use. Just saying.

Granted they don’t have experts like Fabio, and Stephen Baldwin but I favor them because they tend to go beyond superficial talking points to thoughtful analysis concerning the facts. They normally have competent relevant people representing several different facets of an argument, regardless of the hype about them being slanted.

CosmosDan said:
Read the ones about campaign finance reform. I mentioned the Koch brothers as a relevant example because they actually did donate significantly to Walker, they have business interests in WI, and there is something in Walkers bill that they may benefit from.

My point being, that if we want to reduce the influence of organized labor in politics , then we need to balance that by reducing the influence of big business as well. That means all bug business, including Soros, so once again , I call BS on your translation. I actually agreed with the private citizen donations only and also agree there should be a limit on how much an individual can donate.

I don’t think $48,000 from a corporation is a large sum of money. Also, why should a business not be allowed to donate any amount of funds they want? They created the business therefore they can flush it or use it on material goods. Their choice.

CosmosDan said:
Granted they don’t have experts like Fabio, and Stephen Baldwin but I favor them because they tend to go beyond superficial talking points to thoughtful analysis concerning the facts. They normally have competent relevant people representing several different facets of an argument, regardless of the hype about them being slanted.

Then the can survive without public funding. Good to know.

WCinWI said:
Then the can survive without public funding. Good to know.

*They

WCinWI said:
Folks on NPR would be mad if the sun came out. Not exactly the best barometer to use. Just saying.

Nice comeback.
Don’t debate the guy who wants to debate, just make fun of his listening habits.

Just Sayin!

nutsofast said:
Nice comeback.
Don’t debate the guy who wants to debate, just make fun of his listening habits.

Just Sayin!

I don’t talk to crazies that steal other people’s photos or sns.

Just saying!

WCinWI said:
Also, why should a business not be allowed to donate any amount of funds they want?

Do you really need that explained? Only individual citizens get to have a voice and one vote. Our political system has been corrupted by money and special interests, both parties. It’s up to individuals citizens to use their votes to put a stop to it.

CosmosDan said:
Do you really need that explained? Only individual citizens get to have a voice and one vote. Our political system has been corrupted by money and special interests, both parties. It’s up to individuals citizens to use their votes to put a stop to it.

No, we’re allowed to also donate our time and money to election efforts. Should corporations hold stock in media corporations? Should GE not be allowed to operate MSNBC?

WCinWI said:
No, we’re allowed to also donate our time and money to election efforts. Should corporations hold stock in media corporations? Should GE not be allowed to operate MSNBC?

We as private citizens who get to vote can and should. Corporations, and PACs serving as fronts should not. Lobbyists should not , nor providing anything that might be viewed as undue influence.

I think it’s unfortunate that corporate interests seems to have greatly reduced the quality of information we get from news media but I certainly believe in private ownership. I think we , the consumer, and the citizens with a big stake in getting honest accurate information need to change our priorities to get providers to change theirs.

And there needs to be restrictions on how much media one corporation can control.

WCinWI said:
No, we’re allowed to also donate our time and money to election efforts. Should corporations hold stock in media corporations? Should GE not be allowed to operate MSNBC?

Who will be able to donate more time and money to election efforts: George Soros and Richard Trumka or a group of private citizens?

im_lovin_it said:
Who will be able to donate more time and money to election efforts: George Soros and Richard Trumka or a group of private citizens?

Who cares? All should have access to do so as a private citizen.

CosmosDan said:
We as private citizens who get to vote can and should. Corporations, and PACs serving as fronts should not. Lobbyists should not , nor providing anything that might be viewed as undue influence.

I think it’s unfortunate that corporate interests seems to have greatly reduced the quality of information we get from news media but I certainly believe in private ownership. I think we , the consumer, and the citizens with a big stake in getting honest accurate information need to change our priorities to get providers to change theirs.

I think that a corporation should be allowed to donate what they want, if it’s money that they earned. Then you should have a problem with all of Obama’s meetings with union bosses. I think that union bosses have worse influence than corporate ones.

Granted they don’t have experts like Fabio, and Stephen Baldwin
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Does your mother still lay out your clothes for you in the morning?

Religion of Peace said:
Granted they don’t have experts like Fabio, and Stephen Baldwin
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Does your mother still lay out your clothes for you in the morning?

Strike a nerve?

His comment was not only a good comeback, but Hilarious.

Tommy Christopher said:
That’s not what my article says. I favor minority checks on majoritarian tyranny. I said the issue should be decided on the merits, not on political convenience. The only change I favored in that piece was to actually make the filibusterers filibuster.

Udall’s idea for reform was a bunch of bullshit and would only increase the tyranny of the majority since it allows Senate rule changes to be passed by a simple majority vote. How would you even force the filibustering party to actually stand on the floor of the Senate and pull a Jimmy Stewart? The minority warns that it will filibuster, and the majority usually averts this by putting the issue aside and moving on to other business, so what are you going to do? Keep the Senate from doing anything at all until cloture is achieved on that one issue or the majority decides to drop it permanently? Isn’t that giving the minority even more of a stranglehold than they currently have? Eliminating secret holds would be a good idea, but this is all just utter nonsense. I’m not surprised Olbermann thought it was brilliant.

You indicate that what the Fleebaggers are doing is somehow less disgraceful than Palin’s resignation as they (only temporarily) left, but I simply can’t fathom how anyone who thinks current filibuster rules in the Senate are unwise could fail to be worked into a froth over legislators being able to shut things down by refusing to show up for work.

Yoda002 said:
Maybe if you worked for a union you would be able to provide an extra bathroom to your little house.

Yodel, do you have a problem with little houses? You know you should have some kind of point when you make stupid comments.

Tommy Christopher’s credibility equals zero. Sarah Palin stepped down due to a constant barrage of accusations that were being reported as true (or with some sort of merit) by people like you with no integrity. Despite all of these claims being false, it worked in side tracking the Alaskan government from staying focused on serving the Alaskan citizenry. So, in her opinion, stepping down as the Governor was best suited for the people of Alaska because Lt. Governor Parnell could run the state more efficiently due to the corrupted media (which is her job).She also did so in a manner that did not delay or hinder Alaska’s day to day business. You may obviously disagree with her actions, but to compare it to representatives running away from their jobs without stepping down is preposterous. A representative voting against a bill to shoot it down is called a Republic. Go win more elections if you want to pass it. This going on in Wisconsin is anarchy, and the precedent that this creates is beyond terrifying. If the other side does this to block your agenda down the road, look yourself in the mirror before you take to the streets with violence.

TheTruthHurts said:
Tommy Christopher’s credibility equals zero. Sarah Palin stepped down due to a constant barrage of accusations that were being reported as true (or with some sort of merit) by people like you with no integrity. Despite all of these claims being false, it worked in side tracking the Alaskan government from staying focused on serving the Alaskan citizenry. So, in her opinion, stepping down as the Governor was best suited for the people of Alaska because Lt. Governor Parnell could run the state more efficiently due to the corrupted media (which is her job).She also did so in a manner that did not delay or hinder Alaska’s day to day business. You may obviously disagree with her actions, but to compare it to representatives running away from their jobs without stepping down is preposterous. A representative voting against a bill to shoot it down is called a Republic. Go win more elections if you want to pass it. This going on in Wisconsin is anarchy, and the precedent that this creates is beyond terrifying. If the other side does this to block your agenda down the road, look yourself in the mirror before you take to the streets with violence.

in Mrs Palin’s book Going Rogue, it dose explain why she resigned the governorship. the false accusations of the ethics charges were at tactic from A La Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals to blast her and ridicule her with bogus charges just to get her out of office. why she resigned is because it was becoming to much to deal with the false ethics charges while other priorities needed to be taken care of and they were being neglected, how ever, she did appoint a trusted staff member to take her place and sine leaving the governorship she has time to reevaluate her priorities and recharge on her influenced work. her path is not easy but yet its simple to take and it takes a lot of guts to do what she is doing. I pray for her safety and her family’s safety

the thing I find very idiotic is that why on earth did these Wisconsin Democrats left the state in order to block Governor Walker’s bill and support the corrupted union bosses who want to socialize everything and want entitlements. Union workers are caught in the cross fire and these union agencies are in bed with the wrong people

Wisconsin Gov., bless his heart! We love you Sarah, WTF!

Drew said:
how ever, she did appoint a trusted staff member to take her place

Alaska’s Lieutenant Governor runs separately in the primaries, then as part of a ticket in the general.

IOW: Palin didn’t appoint Parnell. He ran in his own primary and because Sarah beat an incumbent in the hers, it’s not like she was leading the party or had a say as to who ran.

Drew said:
why she resigned is because it was becoming to much to deal with the false ethics charges while other priorities needed to be taken care of and they were being neglected

Luckily, it also greatly benefited her finances which I’m sure was just a lucky coincidence. Do you think quitting under pressure was good preparation for her presidential run?

Religion of Peace said:
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Does your mother still lay out your clothes for you in the morning?

I really have no response to something this clever. I’d like to. I wish I could respond with something witty, but I’m paralyzed. by your cleverness. Is notsofast, your mentor? I’m just noticing a degree of unrivaled cleverness that is so very rare on message boards, and thought you might be studying clever quips together. Once again, Nicely done. I am stunned.

{I hope the sarcasm wasn’t to obvious}

Sarah, I think your 5 minutes of fame are about up. No one in the mainstream cares about your opinions any more. Just the blind followers care. Good-bye and good night.

Big Eddie said:
They word it differently , but someone at the NYT has realized what the public union thugs have done to the states .

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/opinion/06sun1.html?_r=2

If the non-legislators who ran away were not Democrats , the late night jokes about them would be nonstop .

And yet, New York’s governor doesn’t need to bust the union to help solve the budget crisis. So what is your point exactly about the Scott Walker fiasco (considering the Wisconsin unions have already agreed to all of the financial concessions demanded by the governor)?

And don’t forget the conclusion of the linked article:

“The state’s middle-class workers will have to make real sacrifices. New York’s many wealthy residents, all of whom are benefiting substantially from a new federal tax break, should have to pay their fair share as well.”

Just to be fair and balanced, of course.

I’m proud to say Sarah is a quitter and a bully because it is the truth.
Anyone who says things like ‘They’ve Retreated, Not Reloaded’, is a bully
using the intimidation of a gun. This gives people with the proper idea
of the use of a gun a bad image. Sarah also fails to learn from her mistakes.

Fuzzytoes said:
I’m proud to say Sarah is a quitter and a bully because it is the truth.
Anyone who says things like ‘They’ve Retreated, Not Reloaded’, is a bully
using the intimidation of a gun. This gives people with the proper idea
of the use of a gun a bad image. Sarah also fails to learn from her mistakes.

After this whole Wisconsin fiasco, don’t even bother to try to argue civility from the left. But you did admit your afraid of her, and the right laughs at you all the time for that LOL..