Beckel has a really stressful job.  He works at a news organization that is least likely to let screwups of his party slide.  At least at the other networks the only screwups you hear about are from the Republicans.  There is so much negative about the Democrats in recent years there’s very little for him to hang his hat on.  It has to be depressing for the poor guy.  I feel for him.  Cheer up Bob.   I’m just about to start watching The Five on DVR, this fun article makes sure I’ll pay attention.  Thanks Mediaite :)

If it weren’t for liberals Allen, you wouldn’t be allowed to vote let alone run for Congress in Florida.

allen west is very very right go with west and get the usa back get obama out he is no good

Why is this surprising. For the past 20+ years, Rusty the Chickenhawk has been the voice of the Party of No. He has such power over the lemmings, they no longer listen to reason. In his skewed little world, compromise does not exist. The only way he can keep his lemmings happy is if he increases the level of hatred every day. West is simply following the Chickenhawk’s lead. Hopefully, in the upcoming November Beat Down, the majority of Americans will see these hypocritical hate mongers for what they are. This is why I simply loath the Republican party. They do not have to stoop to these levels. 

Faux outrage from Beckel for the cameras – the lefties do and say far worse than this and it doesn’t raise an eyebrow. 

the usa has not gone anywhere…

“Take your message of equality of achievement, take your message of economic dependency, and take your message of enslaving the entrepreneurial will and spirit of the American people somewhere else. 
You can take it to Europe, you can take it to the bottom of the sea, you can take it to the North Pole, but get the hell out of the United States of America.”

I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, that he meant to say, “You can take it to Europe, you can take it to the bottom of the sea, you can take it to the North Pole, but get IT the hell out of the United States of America.” since he said “you can take it…, you can take it…, you can take it….”

I don’t believe in telling people to get out of the US, so if that was his intent, I think he was wrong. But I don’t think that is what he intended to say. Just a guess. 

if you dont go allen west ther will be many moor 9 11 think about it allen west is the right man

Mr. West, would that mean more or less Republican Presidential debates?

get help you say it seems you may need that your self do the right thing vote allen west put the usa first get obama out by the way hi its the edl here from the uk have a nice day now

Sorry there, Pork Chop, but it WAS the GOP who voted FOR the Civil Rights Act. Most democrats voted against the bill. It took the republicans to get that law passed and enacted!

Did you know that in the 1950′s, LBJ, as senator, voted against civil rights legislation?

Study history much?

He did not say “get IT out of the United States.” He said “get out of the United States.”

Pork was reading the talking points or should I say lying points.

Mr. West doesn’t like Marxist Socialist and neither does America.

Who is fatboy to tell anyone else what they can and cannot say….?
Go have another Twinkie…..Porky.

Please take your uneducated t-bgger nonsense out of here!

So true Tina, they just tell the Lame Stream Media to cut the negative comments.

He was telling them to send Socialism far far away because that whole group is nothing but a Mass of Marxists. 

Like what?

Collin Powell (also a military man turned pol) didn’t feel the need to wear idiotic medals on his suit, ridiculous military haircut or strut around like Johnny Football Hero all the time.  Methinks West is overcompensating for something. 

Him just a little guy downstairs?  Mommy didn’t give hugs as a kid?  Bullied in Kindergarten?  What?  A real man doesn’t have to bluster and spit and scream to assert his presence. 

Republicans were the progressives back then.

What positive thing has Allen West done for this country since being elected ?

Read my comment again.

I think it was disgraceful too. He tells the president of the United States to get the hell out of United States? Really?

Thanks to liberals mr. West can actually vote and serve in the millitary.

Respectfully, NO.

well, then continue to wallow in ignorance.

OK.

Totally.  It’s amazing how many people think that revisionist history is the truth.  While the Dems were busy creating the KKK, the Repubs were electing the first black congressmen.

4 conservatives against 1 liberal. Fair & Balanced?

Eric Bolling wants Beckel to call Allen West “Rep” or “Col.”?

“Mr. Obama you’ve decided that chugging a few 40′s and rediscovering you’re Irish is more important than a Presidental visit to a community trying to figure out what just hit them”-Eric Bolling

Eric Bolling is birther trash.

Anyway the real story is that Rep. Allen West isn’t going to win a second term thanks to the Florida Republican Party who is redistricting his district and will make it impossible for him to win. Even the Florida Republicans know this guy is bad for their brand. Don’t get used to Allen West he is a one termer.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57368358-503544/allen-west-tea-party-star-could-struggle-to-win-second-term/

Bye bye Allen West you born loser.

Ahem – I’ll be as polite as possible:  

You’re correct on your first phrase – this is, after all, Fuppet News Channel, & Beckel is a fuppet; but you’re completely up your ass on the rest of your comment.
West is a sitting elected Congressional House representative. In contrast, every single person on the Boling for Black Blatherers list, 9 in total named named (and a lot more than that number implied, given his sweeping all “Black Panthers” in one pile, despite them being individuals proven subsequently to be of broad diversity) is NOT an elected government official, now or ever. There’s an important distinction at work between the two categories: an elected representative is to represent a district, that is, ALL the interests of ALL the people within that district, black, white, yellow, brown, blue, purple, male, female, old, young, child, adult, government employee, private business wage earner, entrepreneur, teacher, student, on & on – EVERYONE. In contrast, every person on that list is an advocate for an interest or a group of interests, and not constitutionally responsible to any other interest or group of interests. 

That West does not respect the distinction & serve the role in accordance with the principles underlying the Constitution – indeed, he opposes much of the Constitution, not just in rhetoric, but in action, in his obstructionist voting pattern – means he is incompetent to be a House representative – & I have no doubt the majority or at least the plurality view of his constituents to that same effect will be expressed in November. 

Bob is pointing his finger at a black man.  Oh, oh, that MUST mean he’s racist.

So after 40 years of the lamebag media doing it, now it bothers you.

“Study history much?”
Yes…that’s how I know you’re full of sh**.

Congratulations – you’ve managed to channel perfectly the quintessential Allen West voter; unless you are one, in which case, how to waste your one & only time in human form.  

Allen West is the Alan Grayson of the Republican Party and you see how well that turned out.

Buona Notta, Bella!

Beckerhead is point his finger at a black man – makes him a racist, no?

LOL FOXNEWS.
Bolling is a hack, always has been and always will be.

/in before someone attacks LOL MSNBC.

They are both crap stations. Both make people ignorant and both make people equally stupid. I do not care what kind of ratings they might get. Misinformation FTL.

Tina Tampon apparently Rushbo feels the Republicants do it too.  We’re just saving it for this fall.

Pork Chop never mentioned Democrats or Republicans. The term used was “Liberal”. The “Democrats” who voted against civil rights have left the party for the GOP. Think Jesse Helms.

Sara -

I live in the district next to his and I believe this is exactly what West meant to say. It is not the first time he has gone over the edge with his rhetoric. He will stand behind what he said as adamantly as if he had said “Good morning.” It is his general style.

http://englishdefenceleague.org/  

Damn Republicants keeping the black man down.

I think we just saw one.

You obviously don’t study history. The Dixiecrats of the early to mid 20th century were an entirely different Party than the Democratic Party of today. And for that matter so is the Republican Party. It is similar to Cons. claiming that Abraham Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt were both Republicans, therefore the Republican Party of 1860 and the Republican Party of 1900 is the same as the Republican Party of 2012.

You know that isnt true and as my main man Bob Dole used to say.

“You know it, I know it, and the American people know it”.

Class dismissed.

Think Robert KKK Byrd (D)

I said liberals… not democrats or republicans.  … the GOP today has pushed those liberal republicans out of the party.

Here’s the thing: the GOP establishment is actively cutting the TPers *cough* Birchers *cough* out of the presidential process. The fall-out of that sort of process – a process of purging – in a presidential election year, always flows down-ticket. It’s not that West in particular is going to be out of the 113th Congress, it’s that the TP caucus as a whole is about to be cut to ribbons. Right now I’d bet that even Michelle Bachmann isn’t going to be in the 113th Congress – she may not run, but if she does, I’m thinking she’ll be cut out at the nomination stage. This is quite normal & entirely predictable following in-party insurgencies, because insurgencies don’t allow for governance, and the GOP establishment is all about taking & using the reins of government power. 

The what media?

The Dems crated the KKK but it’s the republicans that’s keeping it alive.

Not all republicans are racist but all racists are republicans.

wow, to keep from losing his job he gives a half ass response to that slimey vile piece of trash allen west, and then he is forced to save his job by coming back out to kiss ass and appease the right wing powers at be at fox the propaganda network.

fox is a joke, it’s for the low IQ hillbilly crowd and hopefully when it’s taken down for good, it takes the evil rightwing party with it.

destruction of fox enpire is the best thing that could ever happen to the world.

From day one West has been nothing but trouble. Both Democrats and Republicans knew this when he was sworn in to the House.  It’s no wonder he was forced out of the military.

West is a piece of work. That’s for sure.

agree

YOU should study history. I lived through it. 

The two parties were very different then. The Dems were an uneasy coalition between liberals scattered across the national map & southern conservatives; the Reps were the party of big business & moderate social amelioration. All through the period from WWII until the Civil Rights Act of 1964, there were efforts to park civil rights into a back drawer, from which civil rights would never actually emerge – the vehicle being one of those ridiculously retrograde do-nothing bipartisan commissions. THAT is the sort of thing LBJ was voting against through the whole period, & which JFK voted against while he was a U.S. senator. But then LBJ spent time with MLK, saw the opportunity presented by the assassination of JFK, and made his bold move. He formed a special purpose coalition of those Dem liberals & Rep moderates & used his formidable legislative skills to buy off enough Rep big business types to ram through his legislative aim of a court-enforceable civil rights bill. 

Thank You!

Get off your sanctimonious soap box Hout. We have put up with Reid, Pelosi, Bawney Frank, Schumer, Wiener, Durbin, Cynthia McKinney, Rangel, Boxer, Feinstein, and a host of other Liberal attack dogs for two decades calling us every name under the sun, and the one time one of our Representatives stands up for Conservatives you get your nose out of joint???  A bit thin skinned aren’t we? Get used to it. In November half of these racist, life long politicians will be kicked out on their a$$, and we can get started putting our country back together, no thanks to people like you. Better enjoy these next 9 months because you and your Liberal ilk will be back out in the wilderness for the next 20 years when we get done with you.

West is black; Beckel is white. Clearly–using Leftist Logic–Beckel is being racist.

I said Liberals….  never said democrats or republicans…. …

You’re feeling pity for a fuppet? That’s like feeling the pain of a cartoon, like empathizing with Wile E. Coyote. Beckel’s got one of the easiest roles that Ailes has created: pretending to be Ed Schultz. All he has to do is act all contrarian to the mood de table. Ask any actor – they all love to play the house villain.

i heard his rant and wanted to stand up and cheer.

If it weren’t for Conservatives, Beckel would have to find something less expensive to shoot up his nose. That stuff costs money, and he has a ton of ‘private-sector’ money flooding into his pocket.

Lol you guys bring this asinine argument all the time and I have demonstrated that it is not true. The democrats who voted against that bill are all republicans now. This is why the south is always red. Your to foolish to see this and im not going to explain this to you. Look at the stats and study them. After you are done studying them, the country was divided by north and south. No republicans in the south voted for the bill, and few democrats did. But as a percentage more democrats voted for the bill in both the south and the north. Your side continues to think your side was so pre civil rights. When in fact only the northern republicans were. I can see it now in thirty years you will claim your side was for don’t ask don’t tell.

Well said Mr Beckel, well said…

…Mr West can take himself and his own narrow minded message to Hell!

I agree that the GOP establishment has learned that it can, and should, ignore the Tea Party. However, the establishment cannot purge itself of the Tea Party types, and those who got elected last time will probably be elected again. This is because politics really are local. After all, West spoke just as harshly while he was campaigning.

Bachmann has already announced that she will run again for the seat she still holds, and the locals, both Republican and Democrat, expect her to keep her seat.

The only difference for those two is that they will be even less effective in Washington the next time around.

Once again a prog lib is showing his true colors of a racist and also attacking a man who is a true American Hero who fought in wars and spoke out against Muslims and Sharia Law when no one else had the courage to do so while Bob Beckle sits in his chair and is fat speaking out against this Hero who is one of the few people who America needs more of. Thank you.

I AM SHOCKED!! I thought West was one of “their blacks”. LOL

Why won’t Bob Beckal stop hiring prostitutes?

Oh yes Nancy and they have only five since then. The democrats have had over 100.

Pull your head out of your ass, liberals are no strangers to being insulted, there are a dozen people on Fox News who’s job it is to do nothing but bash liberals, to say nothing of talk radio and the print media.

What I don’t expect is a standing congressman to say “if you don’t agree with me, you’re not an american, gtfo”, it’s a new low for a party that I had thought couldn’t possibly dissapoint me any more than it had already done.

Actually what’s more dispicable than him saying it, is all you people defending it. By all means say “he made a mistake, but i’d vote for him anyway” – but to suggest that he can get away with it because… Jesse Jackson exists? What the hell ever happened to that personal responsibility you’re so fond of talking about!?

That is of course since 1920.

There’s nothing remotely heroic about Allen West. He’s an unpatriotic, anti-democracy, anti-American thug.

Except that Alan Grayson never called for people who disagreed with him to be deported.

all in good time all in good time ????   http://englishdefenceleague.org/

More “liberal media” nonsense? There is no liberal media. What’s more, there never was.

Bob, just write another check to your whores, Bob. Idiot.

http://englishdefenceleague.org/

You are a liar, Cindy. The GOP was a tiny minority in Congress when the Civil Rights Act was passed. The majority of Democrats voted for it. So did the majority of Republicans. But within a few years, 99% of the Democrats who had opposed the Civil Rights Act had become Republicans, and the GOP’s electoral strategy was based on courting the racist vote.

Ms. Ceeendi, you know of course the GOP of the 60′s is nothing like the GOP of today.  Today’s GOP is lead by the fringe right who sometimes alienate their more moderate cousins (like myself, a lifetime Republican who voted for Obama and against evangelical right wing rule).

get a real president

Is Beckel into sucking prostitutes feet like Fox News’s Dick Morris, or is he more into just harrassing his employees by using a vibrator on himself while he is on the phone like Bill O’Reilly?

Just wondering?

I mean that they are both politicians from Florida who play for the cameras and say outrageous stuff to get on tv. Didn’t work for Grayson and it’s not working for West. They will both be ex congressmen before long.

And Beckerhead is pointing his finger – which according to all the lamebaggers – makes him racist.

Isn’t that right next to San Fran?

No, he just said that Republicans wanted people to die.

Which is worse? “Get out” or “die.” 6 of one, half dozen of the other.

I know hillbillies that spell and punctuate better than you.

Question?

Do veterans who have risked their lives to defend America, but have liberal values have to get out of the country?

Do active service personnel have to get out of the country if they plan to pull the level for Obama in 2012? (keep in mind military donations to Obama went 6:1 in favor over McCain in 2008)

If no-one is allowed to criticise or question statments made by war heros, do we get to do the 2004 election all over again – where Republicans were fairly critical of a war hero?

How about the senate election where Max Cleland, a vietnam veteran who lost three of his limbs in vietnam, and yet was featured in a Republican attack ad alongside Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussain?

If Republicans are prepared to defend this, is there any slander or slur they wouldn’t defend? (President is a child molester? President conspires with Al Quaida? Satan votes Democrat?)

It’s a brave new world once you accept the twisted logic of West/Bolling/Gutfeld/Perino/Gulifoyle.

I haven’t fallen for that lie  line for 40 years.

Nothing like encouraging the elimination of free speech… to, um, defend free speech.

Wait what?

What folks like Cal mean when they say, “There is no liberal media,” is “The MSM isn’t far-left only, and they don’t always promote the most liberal solution to every problem.”

It’s not that they’re not “Liberal,” it’s just that they’re not “Liberal enough” for someone like Cal.

By make outrageous statements like this Allan West has become the darling of the low IQ Conservatives/Tea Baggers/Republicans.  But here is the truth, Allan West is a token Black man in the predominantly White GOP. Clowns like Allan West have just one role to play in the GOP and that is to give cover to the racists in the GOP.

yet the keep spouting that drivel that MLK was a Republican blah blah when anyone with a computer or library card knows about the dixiecrats and their defection to the elephant side.. Just more dishonest posting from idiot conservatives. 

There are these things called periods. They go at the end of sentences.  They help separate sentences in a paragraph so you don’t look like a child or completely illiterate.

Reminds me of a line from “The American President”.
Tea party extremists such as West claim that they love America, yet they clearly can’t stand Americans.

please inform me…

What policies enacted, laws passed, or regulations passed, are considered either Marxist or Socialist.  Please keep it to ones passed from 2009-2012

And you know this, how?

Basically, it boils down to you believe that Blacks are only allowed to think a certain way, and anyone who doesn’t is “stupid” or “token.”

Do you understand that statement is incredibly insulting AND racist? Do you get it?

He never turned politician (or pol, but I am not sure he likes bowling ). Yes he was secretary of state, but he never heald an elected office.

Coulter’s wrong, of course.  The Democrat Party’s blacks are far better than the Republican Party’s blacks.  You may not agree with them on every point, but they at least have some dignity, some pride, and a genuine concern for what is right.  A black Republican is a straight up wus, looking for a pat on the head, and a lucrative speaker’s fee.  West is dancing for the rich white establishment.  He’s a wothless puke.

How does this compare to Maxine Waters telling the Tea Party (American citizens with free speech rights, even if you disagree with them), to “go to hell?”

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/rep-maxine-waters-tea-party-straight-hell-133907771.html

Compare:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rep-maxine-waters-tells-the-tea-party-to-go-straight-to-hell-at-heated-california-town-hall/

Except that Allan West is a war hero who served his country and Grayson is a despicable punk, whose ambition in life was and always will be to serve nobody but himself.

For one thing he was addressing it to the President of the Untied States of America . He should be thrown out of office.

I agree – throw Obama out

White liberals can’t stand a black person who has left their plantation

I think Morris was slurping feet while he was working for the Clintoons

If you want to make sweeping statements like you just did, how about saying that liberal/Democrat women are better looking than the conservative/Republican ones?

Obviously,, Maxine Waters isa a Hell ,of a lot more beutiful than Condy Rice.Not to mention

Debbie 

After you, my dear.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, dear me. Look at that photograph of Beckel…a white man pointing a demeaning, accusatory finger at a black man. Thassssssssss Racisssssssss!!!!

Can you EVER stop obsessing about race you pathetic witch? 

A hell of a lot better than Troy, Michigan….that’s for sure!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I am not defending his remarks only his right to say them. But as I scrolled down the page reading the comments from the various posters, I noticed alot of trash talk, nasty comments, hurtful comments and alot of negativity. So, for those of you that are guilty of the above mentioned remarks, what makes you any better when you spout off than when he does.

No war hero violates articles 128 and 134 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. West got his butt saved by a CO who recommended an Article 15, if he hadn’t he would have been court martialed. Anyone who has served knows what happened with West. He is lucky he wasn’t booted out of the Army and sent to Leavenworth.

So you’re telling me that random blog visitors, like us, should be held to the same standard as elected officials of our government?

Oooookkkkkkkkkkkkk then!!

So it’s worse to insult the President, than it is to insult American citizens?

I’m not sure that’s how this country was set up.

And which other media outlet has used the tag line “fair & balanced” (LOL!!!!) over and over again for a decade?

Yeah, thought so.   Try again, clown.

Like this one, which apparently is acceptable under Mediaite’s new rules?

Matthew’s Motivation

Teapartyamerican.. .9/11 was a very sad day for our country but as a person who tries to find good in everything i always tell myself MAYBE..just maybe those building had more TEA BAGS like yourself in them then liberals like me…. but i digress AGAIN….If anyone u support becomes president…….The way we treated Bush will look like we paid for bush to get a lap dance from some hot strippers.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/hi-ya-miss-piggy-blasts-fox-news-at-london-press-conference/#comment-424540251

grow up boy put usa first you silly twate http://englishdefenceleague.org/

I hate most of the ‘baggers here, but that comment is just despicable.

I’m not elected official. I don’t represent a portion of the electorate. So I can tell you you’re an idiot.

yes you trater you will need to blow very hard

Hey Bob, I guess math was never your strong suit!

THAT LEAVES 80% OF US – That want them out!

trater get out of usa

The worse we get, the more acceptable their rotten behavior becomes acceptable. Isn’t that the way things work?

We hold them to a higher standard than we hold ourselves. But if the standard for ourselves is so low (as this site often demonstrates), perhaps that IS the “higher standard” we deserve.

Why did you ignore “gadfly”‘s undeniably racist comment?

WEST for VP!

- Then the Obama rule would apply:
Any Democrat criticizing him would obviously be a RACIST!

No, I mean exactly what I say. There is no liberal media. The news media doesn’t lean left in any way. For the most part, it leans right.

No, you’ve fallen for the actual lie. The lie of there being a liberal media.

Was that before or after the Southern Strategy when the Dixiecrats NOT Democrats joined the GOP by the millions resulting in a polar shift between the two parties? Nice of you to avoid that ELEPHANTINE fact. Damn these people are

DUMB!!!!!

White conservatives apparently can’t stop themselves from declaring 95% of blacks to be “slaves” because of their refusal to vote Republican. That’s the real racism.

Considering that you only have 9 comments in your history, I am assuming that this name is for trolling purposes only.

But if not…

It is traitor, not whatever it is you spelled.

Oh please gutfeld, west is a sitting representative.

you are a f**king idiot Pork Chops

No, I did not say that at all. It is completely up to you as to what kind of standard you choose to display when you comment. just as West chose his standard when he made those comments. I am just assuming that your mother taught you some manners.

Right there with ya.
I know I, and another poster have already spoken to and flagged this person.

hmmm – al and jesse are such awesome upstanding dudes.  lol

OK, so you’re not an elected official or represent a portion of the electorate. I was just assuming that your mother taught you some manners.

What the heck are you talking about?!

So when has any MSM outlet openly say they were biased for the left?

No, Mr. PC, it’s not the Republicans, it’s the Democrats.  They cannot but help themselves but to see everything that is said or done but through a racial filter. They must pander to the lowest common denominator.
It’s all they’ve got.
Col. West has a very valid point insofar as stating that one should be rewarded in accordance with the effort they put forth, not in accordance with what they look like or how they feel about things.
His words state the obvious…
Your words state nothing but some ill-born sentiment…
But, as I cruise the net, I have no hope…To borrow the words of that old, sweet song…..
Tomorrow belongs to you. 

YOU mean what you say… but that’s really only because you’re so far to the left, you think virtually everyone else is on the right.

Let me guess, Obama isn’t really a “Liberal” either?

Hmm
First time I’ve stopped to think for soo long about what you said.

Are our politicians a result of us, or we of them?

We should all aspire to….

We are not enemies, but friends. We must not be enemies. Though passion
may have strained it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic
chords of memory, stretching from every battlefield and patriot grave to
every living heart and hearthstone all over this broad land, will yet
swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as surely they will
be, by the better angels of our nature.

Abraham Lincoln

Jon – you realize that your headline is a lie and that was the first item on the agenda of the 5. West never said what you claim he said.  Any chance of an honest article?

Who is Marxist Socialist?

We have 1 (you and I).
I have accepted this.

Apparently you are still pretending you do not.

That’s right.  Allen is where he is right now because of us Liberals.  It’s a pity he doesn’t understand that.

LiberalMediaIsCorrupt 2 hours ago
in reply to Duppy_Conquerer
Think Robert KKK Byrd (D

This Robert Byrd??
“I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I
apologized a thousand times … and I don’t mind apologizing over and
over again. I can’t erase what happened.”

LBJ was the one who pushed Civil Rights legislation through after Kennedy was killed for his beliefs.

By that time, the KKK were all in the Republican Party. 

I think there are still some in there now.

I’d love for Kim to kiss me.

They know it but they don’t want to admit it…..No ones that stupid,

OMG Beckel is pointing his finger at Allen West, which means he is a RACIST!!!1!

You broke it.  You’re incompetent.  We’ll fix it.  And if you’re nice, we’ll let you stay in it.

You guessed wrong.  They feel a loss coming up and they are frustratd.  So they’re having a tantrum.

Listen up BUB, view the entired video of Allen West and you would agree with me, eventual communism MUST LEAVE this country. Just the class warfare is enough to kick ‘em all out if that were to hapen ever. But of course you’ve been brain washed i suppose.

LBJ signed it into law, southern racists got mad and were welcomed into the party by the GOP through its Southern Strategy.
The Republicans who voted for the Civil Rights Act were liberal Republicans, an all but extinct species. The GOP came to be dominated by unrepentant bigots like Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond – a tradition that continues to this day.

Oh…Blacks were supposed to ask the White Conservatives attacking them with dogs and fire hoses for their voter registration cards?

 Have you so much as SPOKEN to an African-American over the age of 50, Nancy?

–Cobra

Byrd repented, called his mistake the biggest screw-up of his life and spent the remainder of days apologizing. Republicans forget that, while ignoring Thurmond, who took his refusal to acknowledge his black daughter to the grave. Helms remained racist til the end as well.

There’s a reason all those states that fly the Dukes of Hazard flag are Republican strongholds these days.

blah, blah, blah. You and your pesky facts and historical knowledge.. Alls I know is Hannity says the Republican Party was never, ever racist. And he could never be wrong about anything.

That was almost a sentence. Keep trying, lad.

let me know next time you and Glenn Beck have a good cry.

The Lincoln quote was well-played.

moor? as in the moors?
You like Allen West because you think he’s a Berber immigrant to southern Europe?

back in those days the Republicans were the liberals, and the Democrats were the conservatives.
These days, the GOP is the racist party and dominates the redneck, Confederate flag-flying  south.

Try paying for it…..that’s how most liberals get their jollies.

What is not mannerly about telling you the truth?

Nobody hates like a liberal hates.
Mom must be proud.

Actually thats not even totally correct. The south was just racist. Politicians on both sides were racist. No southern republican voted for the civil rights bill. A few southern democrats did. In the north, more northern democrats voted for the civil rights bill than northern republicans. What the douche bag right always says is that it wouldn’t have passed without the vote of northern republicans. This is correct. But what they don’t look at is that none of the republicans in the south voted for the bill 0000000%. I think like 10 southern democrats did. More northern democrats voted for the bill than northern republicans. Then the south got pissed and went republican.

GOD BLESS LT. COL. WEST AND HIS PASSION FOR HONESTY AND HIS DEFENSE OF OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT!!

Don’t forget that they were all good phony christians.

Well, that would depend on how you go about presenting your perception of what the truth is. Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to their opinion and to express their opinion when engaged in an argument. But you determine whether you are going to be constructive or destructive when expressing that opinion. My opinion is that a constructive dialogue will net you a civil response, and a destructive dialogue shows a lack of civility or manners.

I agree.

Well said.

The way you say it? Truth usually has facts attached to them. I agree with Sid_id. It would be a good thing to disagree in an orderly way instead of name calling, which a lot of people do. Look at different perspectives. West does have the freedom of speech as we all do, but what he said in his statement would make sure all people who disagree with him should move out of the country……………….REALLY!!???

Southern Dems, Who have become your right wing of the Repubs…and the vote totals show that it was a “solid south” issue and that is why they split from the Dems.
Southern Democrats: 7–87   (7%–93%)Southern Republicans: 0–10   (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9   (94%–6%)Northern Republicans: 138-24   (85%–15%)
The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20   (5%–95%)Southern Republicans: 0–1   (0%–100%)Northern Democrats: 45-1   (98%–2%)Northern Republicans: 27-5   (84%–16%)

Flunked history did you?

Voted the most divisive president in history. Perhaps you didn’t get the memo.

Last I heard, you were fond of their doctrine.

How does he oppose the constitution.
You seem to have your apples and oranges confused, a republican is not going to vote the democratic party line because you want him to.

They do, other wise why are they pushing the conservative health care system of pray you don’t get sick and if you do pray that the suffering is short.and then pray the death is quick.

4 out of 5 showed themselves to as bad and in some ways worse than that scumbag war criminal.

of course he has never held elective office, he is a rational person and Rethuglicans never support or elect rational people.

sarainsanity if any one really needs to “wallow” in any thing it is you, your a sick piece of meat and HE SAID IT AND HE MEANT IT he was punished by this country and hates this country for that, he is an un-prosecuted war criminal and a hater of the 1st order, while your just an ignorant hater.

Try TINA TEANDERTHAL– it fits better and has a right to her opinion and her hate and her brand of crazy, just be glad she has not achieved basic sapience.

He violated his oath to up hold and defend it and he failed to obey the orders of the commanders above him and the laws of this nation and the regulations of the military, he also failed as a leader because he substituted his beliefs and took actions that showed he in fact was without honor, he engaged in conduct unbecoming of a member of the armed services he tortured an ally and threatened him with death, for no reason what so ever because he got it wrong and he induced those under his command to violate the UCMJ and rules of engagement and violated the Geneva conventions

JUST HOW WILLFULLY IGNORANT ARE YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE PLAYING THE PART OF A PARTISAN WHO HAS BEEN AFFORDED EVERY OPORTUNITY TO BE INFORMED BUT YOU INSTEAD DENY TRUTH AND ESPOUSE HATE.

Bush

Again you disparage anther citizens patriotism you insult veterans who do not believe as you do and follow an agenda of hate and division.

What makes you think he s not doing that? I am and anyone who is opposing conservatism is doing the patriotic thing.

CONSERVATISM IS A CANCER THAT IS KILLING AMERICA.

Fight the cancer and save America. 

ThomasGWilliams
sarainsanity if any one really needs to “wallow” in any thing it is you, your a sick piece of meat and HE SAID IT AND HE MEANT IT he was punished by this country and hates this country for that, he is an un-prosecuted war criminal and a hater of the 1st order, while your just an ignorant hater.
*****
prozac. give it a try.

Well, if he did, I disagree with him. I don’t like that kind of talk. People tell me all the time to “stay the hell in Italy, don’t ever come back to America, you ignorant yada yada yada yada” (note: probably the very same people who are up in arms about Wests’ comment) 

Over the top rhetoric is uncalled for. 

Obama used “unpatriotic” and “failed leadership” against Bush, Democrats used “liar” and much worse, and now people get in a tizzy when that kind of rhetoric is used about Obama…. Of course, now it is *racist*. *sigh*

How very racist of you. And bigoted. 

You keep that in mind when some day it comes back to haunt you.

You can’t even construct a coherent thought or sentence for that matter.
 
Are you in the 1%??? NO YOU ARE NOT and if you think that an ignorant fool
like you will be, then your retirement plan must be WIN THE LOTTERY.
 
If you can not sway someone to consider your position it must be due to
the fact that your beliefs are flawed and that means that you are
flawed, I am but I can over come my flaws whereas you demonstrate you
can not because you cling to a defective untenable position based in a
belief that someone anyone has to believe as you do or else and that you
fool is as un-American as it gets.

Demonstrate a basic level of intelligence instead of displaying a shameful degree of ignorance.

Vox populi vox dei, is what the conservatives fear and you sadly do not even know what it means.

Do you exercise the franchise? Do you bear the burden of universal suffrage? Do you know what any of that means?

He does know and it fuels his hate.

There are only about four or five commenters on “the left” that respond to me in a civil manner – you being one – the rest are insult throwing “stay the hell out of America you hateful racist teabagger” hysterical types. It would be nice if more people engaged in civil dialogue. You and Just Asking made some great points.

Well bless your little heart.

And did you know it is republicans who want to gut it and that Rand Paul wants to repeal it?

Do you know the name of the only woman commissioned as an officer in the Continental Army? do you know what she did?

Do you know the name of the Jew who refused to swear a states loyalty oath to God? and why?

Do you know where the oldest provable site of human occupation is on this continent?

Do you know how stupid it is to think that only conservatives and republicans have done good things?

Yes, Mr. Bolling you’re right, we shouldn’t insult those who’ve bravely served their country.

No how big a socialist-hippie-worst president ever- was Jimmy Carter again? Despite his years serving aboard America’s earliest nuclear submarines?

Next thing, West will propose putting Democrats and progressives in internment camps.

If this was on one of the many liberal media outlets, then there wouldn’t be a single conservative on the panel, and if there was then it would be a pathetic compromising weakling like Joe Scarborough who does more harm than good to the Conservative message.
You won’t get strong solid Conservatives on such media outlets, except when libs/progressives are out to destroy them with some latest “gotcha”.

4v1 is acceptable because having more than one lib/progressive would stop the others from getting a word in and from being able to combat all the demagoguery, lies, spin, race-baiting and other crap that libs/progressives spew in debates.

I know Bob doesn’t want to be associated with everything Michael Moore says because what Moore says always turns out to be the truth and the truth is not what Fox wants to be associated with. Not meant to be a cheap trite shot but that’;s just the way it is, you work in a predominantly far right-wing network, you have to throw them a bone every now and then to keep your job as Fox’s token of Fox’s Fair and Balanced network slogan. And who better and easier to be the bone to throw than Michal Moore, a man who loves the country and has done for it more than this useless panel of five combined

And by the way, what prompted this totally talentless Gutfeld to bring color into this in the first place, what does race has to do with anything in this conversation

Alllen West has right to speak is his mind as an American and Beckel has the right to call him out. I am not sure if he is racist or not, but I think his comments are moronic. He sounds more like a fundraiser than a Congressman, and maybe he should do a better job as a Congressman

You didn’t really answer the question. Is 1 vs 4 ever fair?

Name a single example of those names you used saying you need to change your worldview or leave the US.  One. 

You mentioned “we” in your closing sentence.  Funny as “we” all live in a representative democracy where President Obama won the popular vote.  That is how a democracy works.  West’s view (seems yours as well) is closer to fascism or dictatorship, where dissent is crushed.

Putting a gun to the head of those you don’t agree with (figuratively) kinda like West did (literally) ending his military career in shame.

“Do you know where the oldest provable site of human occupation is on this continent?

Occupy Pedra Furada ?

What matters in debates is that people can actually make their arguments without the whole thing degenerating into a shouting match, and the fact is that having too many liberals/progressives on the show would naturally result in that, given their tendency for demagoguery, lies, spin, fallacies and other sophistry. “One is enough!”

Forget childish notions of fairness. It reminds me of kids whining/crying “waaah it’s not fair, it’s not fair! wahhh”. ADULTS understand, however, that reality and hence the market are inherently NOT fair, and they learn to accept unfairness as an objective fact of reality. It’s only childish libs/progressives, still stuck in infantile thinking, who go on about “fairness” all the time.

I’m not making the claim, Fox News is.

“Fair & Balanced”, remember?

God bless your belief that typing in caps somehow makes your point stronger. Nice avatar by the way, traitor. 

I think you and I pretty much agree on the over the top rhetoric. I disliked it when Democrats used it against Bush and now Republicans against Obama, not to mention the increasingly ugly rhetoric between partisans on almost every topic. West is a huge practitioner of that rhetoric.

Until the tone becomes more civil and less strident, we are doomed to remain mired in the same mess indefinitely.

By the way, I do not believe it is racist. It is mostly sore losers who are incapable of moving forward. There is some racism involved, but that is a reflection of the society as a whole. The racism thing is an easy excuse used by both sides to avoid the actual issues, which are difficult and will require compromise to resolve.

Sadly, none of those in office or running for office will even consider it lest they  be branded traitors by their own party. Ah, what times we live in!

Bob Beckel is as liberal as they come and doesn’t represent me. He is a a liar and lucky to have a job with his views. Alan West was correct in saying what he said Beckel  (as far as I know) has never served his Country. The only thing Bob served was a dose of koolaid and twinkies!

there’s 20% of us or 22% of us that happen to be Progressives, who believe in what Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi say.

when bob beckel says something this ignorant, he loses all argument and as for me all respect…

of course the 20% of you guys won’t go anywhere, you know you really won’t be happy in a socialist state, so you stay here to beoch and make the rest of us miserable

the first clip is like watching the kindergarten teacher trying to get the little children to quiet down!

What, are you illiterate? It’s obvious what I’m talking about.

I do not watch Beckle or Juan.

No, it’s because the media really does lean to the right. The “liberal media” is a myth concocted by the Republican Party.

all racists are republicans…really…how absurd and over the top…the human race republicann and democrat alike have their fair share and more of ignorant and racist folks…the democrats just happen to join with communists, socialists, marxists and many other America haters with an agenda that must be stopped.

Thank you Cindy for strightening this jurk out.  They don’t teach history to Liberals anymore.

Disagreeing with someone of a different race is racist, except when it isn’t.

Here’s some actual history.

It was LIBERAL NORTHERN and WESTERN Republicans (who have now been driven out of the Republican Party by the extremist conservatives) who voted for the CRA.

It was CONSERVATIVE SOUTHERN WHITE Democrats (who are ALL now Republicans) who voted against the CRA.

You see, Republicans used to be the LIBERAL party. (Abolitionist, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt) and Democrats used to have a southern conservative wing called the ‘Dixiecrats’ (Thurmond, Wallace). It was these southerners who created the KKK, Jim Crow Laws and Lynchings. Yet it’s the ‘liberals who fought FOR Civil Rights who are the racists?’

I find it funny how these same southern white conservatives NOW claim Lincoln as one of their own. Their Confederate Lincoln-hating grandfathers must be rolling in the graves.

I didn’t know Bob Beckel was still alive.

Maybe a little more comfort food would help? Lord knows this lump of lard needs something!

Pork said liberals, NOT democrats.

I agree, Obama should be thrown out of office and put on a slow boat to China, where he’d feel right at home.

Good thought. It really doesn’t matter to these right wingnuts if you make a truthful or valid point. They’ll just turn around and spew their vitriol on an entirely different topic rather than trying to debate things on an intellectual and/or factual basis.

(warning: sarcasm ahead) Yeah, cause Irish people ALWAYS tell the truth. I should know; I’m Irish.

I too used to be a republican until Christie Whitman became NJ’s governor. She cut income taxes by 30% and and did an end around the NJ constitution by borrowing to make up the difference. Not only that, but she also was the first NJ gov. to miss making payments into the state pension fund. Since Whitman there has been only 2 or 3 payments into the fund because her tax cuts made it all but impossible for the state to come up with the pension payments. Now our republican gov. is balancing the budget on the backs of teachers, cops and other public employees.
Well, at least he’s not illegally borrowing money. Sigh.

Really a history buff are you? Maybe a little ACCURATE information will
help you assuage your ignorance. Not a single southern republican voted
for the CRA and the majority to vote for it in the north were democrats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
Look it up and eat some crow. Whoops, I forgot. Republicans always double down when they are proven wrong. Sigh.

Maybe a little ACCURATE information will
help you assuage your ignorance. Not a single southern republican voted
for the CRA and the majority to vote for it in the north were democrats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964
WHO’S LYING?

Really a history buff are you? Maybe a little ACCURATE information will
help you assuage your ignorance.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Excellent counter argument against these right wing revisionist historians. Did tyou hear that Tenn. wants to remove teaching about slavery in their history lessons because they don’t want the founding fathers’ images to be tarnished? The truth be damned! God forbid we view the founding fathers as  human beings; flawed like the rest of us.

Maybe you’d like to read some info on this before making yourself look so ignorant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Really a history buff are you? Maybe a little ACCURATE information will
help you assuage your ignorance. Not a single southern republican voted
for the CRA and the majority to vote for it in the north were democrats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

Only one southern democrat voted for it.

Hahahahahahahaha!!
This liberal clown doesn’t even know the significance of my avartar.
No Patriot, He!!

The KKK was not created by Thurmond or Wallace.  The KKK was created at the end of the war between  the states as a means of protecting southerners from the lovely “reconstructionists” from the north.  The fact that it later became a racist organization is why some left it.

I would like to meet those southern white conservatives who claim the racist, lying, Lincoln as one of their own.  I think someone has been yanking your ignorant chain.

As an unapologetically, unreconstructed southerner who does know just a little about southern history including being the recipient of racial violence from blacks at my high school in the early 70s due to forced integration from the feds I find the comments on this thread disparaging southerners to be juvenile and mostly ignorant.

God bless Dixie and the Constitutional Republic of America!

“Every man should endeavor to understand the meaning of subjugation
before it is too late… It means the history of this heroic struggle
will be written by the enemy; that our youth will be trained by Northern
schoolteachers; will learn from Northern school books their version of
the war; will be impressed by the influences of history and education to
regard our gallant dead as traitors, and our maimed veterans as fit
objects for derision… It is said slavery is all we are fighting for,
and if we give it up we give up all. Even if this were true, which we
deny, slavery is not all our enemies are fighting for. It is merely the
pretense to establish sectional superiority and a more centralized form
of government, and to deprive us of our rights and liberties.” — Maj. General Patrick R. Cleburne, CSA, January 1864, writing on what would happen if the Confederacy were to be defeated.

Rather prophetic of General Cleburne, don’t you think?

Beckel, is that you?

Beckel is an idiotic ass.

FOX news is not NEWS — learn the difference between propaganda, which is what the FOX cesspool feeds you, and reporting facts. 

Let’s be clar about what you’re swallong from the FOX cesspool:

1.  FOX is owned by Rupert “I Illegally Hack the Private Voicemail of Murdered Children” Murdoch. He does it for money, and his journalistic practices — the lowest of the low — reflect his politicas and character.

2.  The FOX cesspool is operated by Roger Ailes, Reagain’s political propagandist.

Neitehr of the above is or favors Democrats; rather, they are all about advancing the extremist of extreme Republican agenda, in large part by trashing and lying about Democrats.

Undersatnd: a lie is not an opinion, becasue an opinion has a chance of being true.  A lie is not a trtuh — alternative or otherwise — becasue a lie is always false.

An opinion is not a fact: NEWS reports facts, not opinion, and does not burry it under opinion — opinions also having a chance of being false.

Facts are facts, and are not owned by anyone.  They are the facts no matter one’s political view.

Last but not least: extremism is no centrist, and it is never anywhere near being a majority.  It is by defeninion on the fringes, and a staistically insignificant minority view.  If it were a reasonable and sane view, the majority would hold it, istead of relegating it to the fringes.

When Democrat LBJ — who shepharded the Civil Rights Act of 1964 through Congress — signed it into law, he stated — correctly — that it would result in the loss by the Democratic party of the South for a generation. 

He was correct: all those in the Democratic party who opposed the Act and supported segregation, Jim Crow, and white supremacists, responded to Nixon’s “Southern Strategy”: they became Republicans.

That’s why it’s right-wingers — Republicans — such as Ron and Rant Paul who OPPOSE the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Here’s a history lesson for you:

The Continental Congress was driven by the Liberals — primarily John Adams of Massachusetts-Bay — to declare independence from Britain. 

The Conservatives — among whom you count yourself — opposed declaring independence — until they got what they wanted in exchange for their support:

Preservation of slavery.

So either stop the lying, or stop pretending you are moral, letr alone more-moral-than-thou: your position, encoded racism though it be, is unacceptable, and was rejected, finally, in the early 1960s.

Did you know that in the 1950′s, LBJ, as senator, voted against civil rights legislation?_____

Substantiate that claim.

We knew you couldn’t.

Meanwhile, it was DEMOCRAT LBJ who sheparaded the Civil Rights Act of 1964 through Congress, and signed it.

As he did the Voting Rights Act of 1965.

You far-right fringers, where all the segregations and white supremactists congregate as the Republican “base,” are not going to get anywhere in your efforts to co-opt the issue and thus claim false legitimate ground for repeal of the Act.  Too many of us know the history first hand, and are not going to cease exposing your for the racists you are. 

And that includes they poorly disguised smears of President Obama aws being “the Affirmative Action President” — without a shred of evidence rfor that lie, and the “Food Stamp President” (when in fact “Food Stamps” no longer exist) in effort to remind that Republican “base” that he is, in your hateful eyes, insufficiently white.

Your racist politics or old and readily recognized for what they are, regardless your self-deluding belief that you are able to repackage them in a wway that will fool those who know the history better than do you.

The KKK was created after the Civil War, in the South.  It had its peak in the 1920s.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 was not enacted diuring the 19th Century, or during the 1920s.

Your ignorance of history — and especially rule of law — is as unsurprising as is typical of the “South Shall Rise Again” Civil War revisionsists who deny the issue was slavery.  But you can’t live down the express statements of every Senator of everyseceeding state that the reason for seceding was the issue of slavery.

Or live down the Constitution of the Confederate States of America, which was essentially identical to the US Constitution — except for two provisions:

1.  Prohibition of the enactment of any laws that would adversely affect the institution of slavery.

2.  Amending the constitution in any way that would adversely affect the institution of slavery.

In short: some of us know the history; you racists/liars are not among us.

The Founders were Liberals.  Slavery was preserved at the insistence of the Conservatives.

No, Mr. PC, it’s not the Republicans, it’s the Democrats.  They cannot but help themselves but to see everything that is said or done but through a racial filter. They must pander to the lowest common denominator._____

Does the above not characterize the “lowest common denominator” as being the African-Americans to which Democrats are allegedly pandering?

Among reactionaries, racists, and Republicans, most of the time that being a redundancy, lying in place of knowledge — ignorance — is a badge of pride.  It is they, after all, who, as anti-elitist elitists, hate legitimate elitists because legitimate elitists actually know stuff that is factal, legitimate, and worth knowing.

And because said elitists are a threat to their house of cards confabulations.

The GOP today has pushed not only all liberals, but also all right-of-liberal moderates out of the party.  Today’s GOP is controlled, as Republican Christie Todd Whitman said, by its nut arm.  That which is traditionally called “lunatic fringe” becasue it is two things:

1.  Lunatic; and,

2.  Fringe.

It’s controlled by the totally wacked John Birch Society/Teadupes, McCarthyite paranoids, political illiterates who hide behind and corrupt the term “conservative,” segregationists, “Jim Crow”-ists, white supremacists, andti-American gun-nuts, and Neo-Nazis.

Need I mention the religioinut fringe that hates the First Amendment because it allows for more than their greed-fueled pro-violence “Christian” “religion”?

LBJ was fulfilling JFK’s Civil Rights agenda.  Which is why, beginning with Reagan, there has been a concerted and continous effort to smear and discredit JFK — while being comforted by the additional fact that JFK isn’t alive to defend himself against the smears.

That’s the way Republicans like it: strong on defense; wrapping themselves in the flag, starting wars, and sending everyone but themselves to fight and die in them.

Strong on defense: shoveling hundreds of billions of taxpayer dollars to the defense industry, which then turns around and contributes a significant percentage of those tax dollars to Republican political campaigns — while Republicans oppose taxpayer-funded elections.

Do you know the name of the Jew who refused to swear a states loyalty oath to God? and why?_____

This was actually a relatively prominent and uncontroversial issue, and it was the Quakers, specifically, who lead the efofrt, and in keeping with which the states amended their constitutions to afford them an oath which met their religious conscience requirements.  Specificallty, the issue was that the non-Quaker religiofanatics required everyone elected or appointed to public office to swear that one believed the “bible” to be divinely inspired.  The Quakers didn’t believe that.

In short: it was Liberals who prooposed and voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 — which is why the hatred for Liberals is so overwhelming and constantly spewed by the segregationsits, white supremacists, McArthyites, John Birchers, and Neo-Nazis, who hide behind and corrupt the term “conservative”.

John Birchers’ view: “Sure Hitler killed six million Jews.  But at least he wasn’t a Communist.” 

Before Hitler went after the Jews he targetted and exterminated, among others, Liberals.

So we know why FOX constantly spews hatred at “Liberals”: they are not extremists; and they represent the progressive views of the Founders who were for independence, for equality, and opposed to slavery.

The US is a democratic republic.

As for the “violence” to which you were subjected by blacks during the 1970s:

I’ll bet it was nowhere near the degree of violence of the lynching of blacks engaged in by your relatives up to and including during the 1960s.

But it’s so unfair that you were subjected to an inconsequential taste of the white Southern specialty: violence aganist those deserving of it to keep them in line: all who are insufficiently white.

That says it all about libtard logic….

Well, yeah, we created it, but…..

The Framers expressly said they were about founding a powerful, central Federal gov’t (read “The Federalist”).  Among the Framers approving were many Southerners.  So those who seceded not only violated the Constitution (US Con., Art. I., S. 10, C. 1.  No State shall enter into any . . . Confederation . . . .”) — which is treason — but also showed their opposition to the Framers themselves.

In addition to which, the seceding states were expressly clear, in thee words of each and every one of their Senators explaining their “reason” for seceeding, that it was becasue of slavery. 

On top of which, the Constitution of the Confederate States of America, whereas otherwise virtually identical to that of the US, included towo specific provisions –

1.  Prohibited the enacting of any law adversely effecting the institutiojn of slavery; and,

2.  Prohibited any amendment of the constitution which would adversely affect the institution of slavery.

So all the lying by Southern racists on the point are exactly that: lies.  Those facts are ineradicable and undeniable, except, as concerns the latter, by baldfaced lying.

And before we hear the anti-American claim that there’s a “right” to secede:

“Art. IV., S. 3, C. 1.  New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union . . . .” 

In order for a “state” to become a member of the Union, it must petition Congress; and must fulfill the legal requirements stipulated by Constitution and Congress toward that end.  But even then it does not become a member by simply deciding on its own to become so.  It is the Union — in Congress assembled — that says yay or nay to the wannabe member’s petition/s for membership.

If there were a legal process of secession, it would be the reverse of that process.

Nice try.  You are as bad as the global warming clones that say record cold is caused by warming…

They have said, MLK would “be” a Republican today. Since, the looney left has gone so far off the tracks…..

Yes: it was the LIBERALS who wrote, enacted, and signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (and teh Voting Rights Act of 1965) into law.  That’s why those who claim it was enacted by Republicans, against the opposition of a racist Democratic party, hate Liberals.

Of Liberals.

The First Amendment pretoects the rights of conscience, belief, and speech.  That incules the right to believe and preach “Communism” — no less than it  protects the right to believe in and preach about the lawless as being instead “free market”.

As for the “class warfare” lie: the 14th Amendment secures equality for all, not ownership of all by the top 1 per cent — of which you are not a member, and never will be, and never will get anything from it — and slavery for the other 99 per cent.

So, yes: you John Birch anti-Americans, by rejecting the 14th Amendment, are not only staunch segregationist racists, and white supermacists — the tradition is to call those who oppose segregation and “Jim Crow” “Communists” — but also domestic enemies who hate the Constitution and the gov’t erected thereupon.

Neo-Nazis.

Barak Obama was legitimately elected by a comfortable margin.

The Bush*t criminal enterprise bullied and stole its way into power, and proceeded to lower the moral standing of the US to that of Hitler — illegally invading and occupying a non-threatening sovereign nation by means of lies — and to the level of torturer Saddam Hussein by implementing torture as official state terrorist policy.

‘Course, their torturing of alleged torturers for allegedly being torturers was compassionately intended to reduce the incidence of torture.

The minority wants to “take back” the country from whom?

From the majority.

And that is directly opposed to the Constitution.

That minority is treasonous.

The USA is a Constitutional Republic, and always has been.  You are mistaken. 

None of my ancestors owned slaves, so your ignorant assumption about me is incorrect as well. 

On that day a friend’s father was nearly beaten to death on the front lawn of our school by blacks who were being egged on by white students from somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon line who suddenly appeared as students at our school at the exact moment that the government shut down the 2 black high schools in our town and forced all of us into one building which we had already outgrown due to the influx of black students who were welcomed before the feds decided we were not reacting to their orders fast enough.  The main reason at that time for the segregated schools was merely one of convenience as the neighborhoods were drawn along racial lines as many neighborhoods still are today, and those black kids who were uprooted from their schools were rightly angry.  They were taking their anger out on the wrong people.

Your use of sarcasm indicates your level of ignorance of the facts.  You were not there, and you were only shown on TV just what the government and the media wanted you to see much like today.

Anyone who says that slavery and racism are not wrong is a sick individual.  The broad brush you and your equally ignorant friend, Eric, paint southerners with is typical of someone who does not have any idea of what he is talking about. 

I suppose that Jefferson Davis who adopted a black boy and raised him as his own was a racist, and I suppose that you have never read about the discussions held about when to free the slaves in the south before good ol’ honest Abe issued his Emancipation Edict to the southern states over which he had no legal authority.  Purely a political ploy to keep the north in line with his war policies?  No, of course you haven’t.  I suppose that Robert E. Lee is considered a racist too although he is to date the only man in history who has graduated from the United States Military Academy at West Point with no demerits.  It truly takes a person lacking in any moral character to achieve that accomplishment, doesn’t it?

Why don’t you take a look at a history book once in a while, and seriously, stop believing the liberal blather you have apparently been brainwashed by?

(hint) Choose one of the many excellent histories of the South written by southerners,or perhaps some first hand accounts written in diaries, and letters from the era which have been published.  General Patrick Cleburne was absolutely correct in his prophecy regarding how the history of that awful war would be portrayed by the victors. 

If it makes you feel so much more superior to mock and disparage all the people of  a region of the country then I really feel sorry for both of you.  What pathetic little lives you must lead.

God bless Dixie, and God bless the Constitutional Republic of America!

You are correct. JFK, MLK, and Bobby Kennedy were all slain for their human rights agenda. Whenever good men stand up for the rights of others, evil men attempt to destroy them. They smear them or put them out of office with lies and recriminations. Yet, they are so afraid, they need bigger and bigger bombs to protect themselves. They worry about the proliferation of nuclear bombs, yet, they have more than anyone else. They don’t realize that others want them to protect themselves from us. I think whatever goes around, comes around, eventually. Maybe they do too. Maybe that’s why they are so fearful. Vengeance is mine saith the Lord, I will repay. I happen to believe that.

Interesting copy and paste.  I have read this information, and have also read conflicting information.  In the end it’s who one chooses to believe, isn’t it?  And, what’s even more satisfying is that I didn’t lie and I am not a racist. 

Alabama is my home.  I was born here,  but my father was in the US Army.  I was born at Ft.McClellan.  The first 12 years of my life were spent in an environment where being a racist was not an option, nor was it anything that ever occurred to me.  I lived on military bases, and went to school with people of all races.  My father was a sergeant.  His platoons had members of all races.  He could not risk the integrity or the safety of his platoon by any hint of racism.  When we moved back to Alabama I was in “culture shock” because I had never been exposed to racism, and I have to tell you that it was equally ugly on both sides.  Unless you were there and lived it you have no right to accuse an entire region of people of being racists.  

BTW, we moved back to Alabama because my “racist” southern father who had spent his whole adult life defending your ability to make a complete ass out of yourself in a public forum was shipped off to die in Vietnam by LBJ.

So, you know what, I am done here.  You have been wrong in your assumptions about me, and you would rather mock and ridicule than to have an intelligent discussion with someone.

Enjoy the rest of your pathetic, hate filled life.

Hmmm, Dana Perino doesn’t know what she is talking about.

Allen West who was court martialed but was let go of the Army instead should kiss the president’s hand for saying this despicable words.  He is not fit to be an American.

I don’t like West but–he was not court marshaled. He was told his options were to retire or face disciplinary actions that would be short of a court marshal, but certain to end his career anyway.

Allen West is a war criminal first and foremost! he wasn’t court-martialed out because of “acquaintences” but he’s still a terrorist and a disgrace to all those who honorably served. so Perino and the like bringing up his “military” service to excuse his behavior is the equivalent of bringing up Tim McVeigh’s war service because Allen West IS capable of carrying out the same acts as McVeigh given he speaks the same words as McVeigh. I won’t be surprised at all when West opens fire inside the U.S. House of Representatives. he’s, again, a TERRORIST and can only do what TERRORISTS do best: violence inflicted upon others for the purpose of promoting ideology

Republicanz are repulsive.

I fully support Fox News.  For they are doing more to dismantle and fractionalize the GOP than any “damn liberal” ever could. 

Years of alcohol abuse DOES take a terrible toll on one’s brain and emotional disposition…Bobby boy is the poster child for this condition.

Fox has him with Alan Colmes to show conservatives what droolers and ranters who are libs look and talk like….makes them more delighted to stay conservative.

Bechel cannot even spell “racist”….beyond his paygrade.

no…but he does respond quickly to Anthony Weiner’s text messages.

that is why they elected the mulatto Overseer Obambi for Their Plantation of Governmental Financial Slavery of Blacks in return for Democrat votes.

seems to be the message given out by black Rappers and Hollywood and Sports types today….drug dealing and thieving and dancin in the streets be OK mun.

go see the Movie Red Tails about the Tuskegee Airmen, and then post crap about black military leaders. AH

Four to one— fair and balanced ;0

You can argue about this all day, but none of you will ever change your minds no matter how many facts the other side presents.  Liberals hate conservatives and conservatives hate liberals.  It does not matter what happens that will never change.  To stop this exact kind of arguing in Congress, I think it is time that the U.S. splits into two separate countries…the Liberal States and the Conservative States.  The Liberals would then be free to tax and spend their country into oblivion with no objections.  They can have their government supply all needs to all citizens…until they go bankrupt.

The conservatives can, if they will stay true to their beliefs, force their government not to spend anymore money than they take in (have a balanced budget), have zero trade deficit, have a low flat tax rate where EVERYONE pays “their fair share” (not just those whose efforts have made them wealthy), obtain their own energy resources and free the small business owners to prosper and provide jobs.

Since we would be two different countries, no money would flow between the two except in trade.  After a few decades, we would sew who has the right fiscal policies, which has the happiest and most free population with a since of pride developed by making it on their own.