Before the 1970s the KKK WAS the Democratic Party and after that the Democrats moved on for a larger segment the minority communities to win elections. They helped foster the “Great Society” which enslaved Black, Latino and poor whites with Welfare. Welfare under the Great Society destroyed the communities of color and the effects are still seen today in communities that are crumbling because of the effects to ENSLAVE minorities as Democrats by giving them ‘free money’. Ruining the ‘family unit’ in the poor communities. The Government check replaced the husband, and the government became the head of household as long as poor people voted Democratic, the checks kept coming.

I know this whole point goes against the liberal’s talking points but there are a very sizable number of African-Americans that are running as the GOP candidate for Congress. All the candidates below are African-American and running as Republicans.

The US Senate:
Marion Thorpe
Florida

Milton Gordon
Louisiana

Michael Williams
Texas

US House of Representatives:

Les Phillip
Alabama – 5

Princella Smith
Arkansas – 1

Vernon Parker
Arizona – 3

Virginia Fuller
California – 7

Star Parker
California – 37

Chriystopher Smith
California – 39

Mason Weaver
California – 53

Ryan Frazier
Colorado – 7

Chris Nwasike
Florida – 3

Eddie Adams
Florida – 11

Allen West
Florida – 22

Deon Long
Florida – 24

Cory Ruth
Georgia – 4

Deborah Honeycutt
Georgia – 13

Rupert Parchment
Georgia – 13

Isaac Hayes
Illinois – 2

Marvin Scott
Indiana – 7

Robert Broadus
Maryland – 4

Charles Lollar
Maryland – 5

Bill Hardiman
Michigan – 3

Angela McGlowan
Mississippi – 1

Bill Marcy
Mississippi – 2

Martin Baker
Missouri – 1

Michael Faulkner
New York – 15

Janice Volk
New York – 29

Jerry Grimes
North Carolina – 1

Lou Huddleston
North Carolina – 8

Bill Randall
North Carolina – 13

Tim Scott
South Carolina – 1

Jean Howard Hill
Tennessee – 3

Charlotte Bergmann
Tennessee – 9

William Hurd
Texas – 23

Stephen Broden
Texas – 30

Chuck Smith
Virginia – 3

David Castillo
Washington – 3

Latin2 said:
Before the 1970s the KKK WAS the Democratic Party and after that the Democrats moved on for a larger segment the minority communities to win elections. They helped foster the “Great Society” which enslaved Black, Latino and poor whites with Welfare. Welfare under the Great Society destroyed the communities of color and the effects are still seen today in communities that are crumbling because of the effects to ENSLAVE minorities as Democrats by giving them ‘free money’. Ruining the ‘family unit’ in the poor communities. The Government check replaced the husband, and the government became the head of household as long as poor people voted Democratic, the checks kept coming.

From henceforth, thy name shall be Cucumber for all of the repeating.

The silliness aside, I find nothing objectionable about this billboard. I imagine it was financed with some of Rove’s and Gillespie’s Chinese corporate money, but the billboard itself is fine. I don’t imagine it will be terribly effective. We have plenty of successful African-American role models now.

The Real Royal King said:
with some of Rove’s and Gillespie’s Chinese corporate money

Got it, don’t talk issues – use scare tactics

.

The Real Royal King said:
We have plenty of successful African-American role models now.

I agree 100%

The Real Royal King said:
From henceforth, thy name shall be Cucumber for all of the repeating.

The silliness aside, I find nothing objectionable about this billboard. I imagine it was financed with some of Rove’s and Gillespie’s Chinese corporate money, but the billboard itself is fine. I don’t imagine it will be terribly effective. We have plenty of successful African-American role models now.

From henceforth your name shall be POS, short for piece of sh*t, because it encompasses not only your posts, but your personalty and your thinking…or lack of thinking.

X^)

Hey Colby…

“Its also likely to spark a debate that may include allegations of race-baiting”

Just curious….was that your first reaction?
Your reaction wasn’t….”WOW…things might really be changing……I think I should investigate.”

Race-baiting? Really?

Puter Boi said:
Your reaction wasn’t….”WOW…things might really be changing……I think I should investigate.”

Of course not. One would think that others would be happy to see political diversity in any group.

Hahaha, hoooo boy.

I don’t know a single black person in my family or that I work with that wouldn’t be offended by this clumsy attempt to get their vote. I can’t even begin to imagine….

Colby, are you sure this isn’t a prank of some sort?

More Liberty said:
Got it, don’t talk issues – use scare tactics

I addressed the issue, as you noted. Sorry if I am uncomfortable with Chinese corporate money financing American elections. I suppose I fall into that great American and Eurocentric American mass. No apologies for that.

Latin2 said:
From henceforth your name shall be POS, short for piece of sh*t, because it encompasses not only your posts, but your personalty and your thinking…or lack of thinking.

X^)

How decidedly unclever of you. When people fall back on foul and filthy language, it says a great deal about them and little else.

Next you’ll see an add with Sharron Angle standing next to a Latino saying “See, I like you people.”

The Real Royal King said:
How decidedly unclever of you. When people fall back on foul and filthy language, it says a great deal about them and little else.

I am sure you will write that same line under posts about Bill Maher, Joy Behar, and Ed Schultz the next time they spew some of their venom….lol

;)

The Real Royal King said:
I addressed the issue, as you noted. Sorry if I am uncomfortable with Chinese corporate money financing American elections. I suppose I fall into that great American and Eurocentric American mass. No apologies for that.

I agree. The way the Obama campaign skirted campaign finance regulation by allowing foreign donations via credit cards. The only security in that was they had to check a box saying that they were legally able to donate to the campaign. In another example, individuals from the Rafah refugee camp in Gaza donated $33,000 to Obama’s campaign. When it was exposed, only then did he return the money. This is only one example.

Latin2 said:
I am sure you will write that same line under posts about Bill Maher, Joy Behar, and Ed Schultz the next time they spew some of their venom….lol

;)

Indeed, I have. I despise such language by all who utter it.

The Real Royal King said:
Indeed, I have. I despise such language by all who utter it.

Then I hope to see you chastising your fellow Liberals on here when they defend Bill Maher, Joy Behar, Ed Schultz and OTHER Liberals who do that.

;)

Hawk11 said:
Next you’ll see an add with Sharron Angle standing next to a Latino saying “See, I like you people.”

There is no need. I’ve provide almost 40 names of African-Americans that are running as the Republican candidate. These are by “foreign Chinese contributers.” These are real Americans.

More Liberty said:
I agree. The way the Obama campaign skirted campaign finance regulation by allowing foreign donations via credit cards. The only security in that was they had to check a box saying that they were legally able to donate to the campaign. In another example, individuals from the Rafah refugee camp in Gaza donated $33,000 to Obama’s campaign. When it was exposed, only then did he return the money. This is only one example.

Indeed, both sides have dirty hands here. It is the degree of such foreign money the Republicans are extorting for access (i.e. compromising American security and well-being) which is noteworthy. In kind, the problem has a universal character.

Hawk11 said:
Next you’ll see an add with Sharron Angle standing next to a Latino saying “See, I like you people.”

You should try to peddle this. Obtuse Angle would buy it and her supporters would lap it up.

Sorry. They are no by “foreign Chinese contributers .”

Latin2, I think we should usually try to limit the foul language. But in the case of someone as arrogant and hateful as the King, let ‘er rip.

More Liberty said:
I know this whole point goes against the liberal’s talking points but there are a very sizable number of African-Americans that are running as the GOP candidate for Congress. All the candidates below are African-American and running as Republicans.

Good for balance. I saw a clip of a young man in CA running and he looked excellent. I think years of the Dems trying to buy votes with social programs needs to change. Helping the poor is great. Enabling the poor for votes is not.

CosmosDan said:
Good for balance. I saw a clip of a young man in CA running and he looked excellent. I think years of the Dems trying to buy votes with social programs needs to change. Helping the poor is great. Enabling the poor for votes is not.

Thanks CosmosDan. I appreciate your balance as well. I just wish that the authors of such articles would put a little more balance and facts to their writing. This is just my opinion of course. I always thought that Mediaite was supposed to be a “neutral” site.

The Real Royal King said:
Indeed, I have. I despise such language by all who utter it.

Do you also despise Tommy Christopher who likes to call people “Assholes?”

Democrats are not going to like this one bit!

This means, and hold on to your seats, that black Americans will no longer have to think and say what the Democratic-left, and their mainstream media, tells them to.

They can break free from the “government-dependency” plantation liberal Democrats have kept them on for the past 50 years – how’s the situation in Dem-controlled inner cities been of late? – and no longer be beholden to their Democratic “protectors”.

The new GOP billboards should be a message to Democrats, and read:
“LET OUR PEOPLE GO!”
————————————————————————————————–

Well, Obama didn’t LIE about one thing – Now, there’s Hope & Change!!

I Believe it was Damon Dunn who is running for Secretary of State in CA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCNJQ5MhJIE

From first impression this is a young man who still understands the struggles that folks go through and is sincere.

More Liberty said:
I know this whole point goes against the liberal’s talking points but there are a very sizable number of African-Americans that are running as the GOP candidate for Congress. All the candidates below are African-American and running as Republicans. The US Senate:Marion ThorpeFlorida Milton GordonLouisiana Michael WilliamsTexas US House of Representatives: Les PhillipAlabama – 5 Princella SmithArkansas – 1 Vernon ParkerArizona – 3 Virginia FullerCalifornia – 7 Star ParkerCalifornia – 37 Chriystopher SmithCalifornia – 39 Mason WeaverCalifornia – 53 Ryan FrazierColorado – 7 Chris NwasikeFlorida – 3 Eddie AdamsFlorida – 11 Allen WestFlorida – 22 Deon LongFlorida – 24 Cory RuthGeorgia – 4 Deborah HoneycuttGeorgia – 13 Rupert ParchmentGeorgia – 13 Isaac HayesIllinois – 2 Marvin ScottIndiana – 7 Robert BroadusMaryland – 4 Charles LollarMaryland – 5 Bill HardimanMichigan – 3 Angela McGlowanMississippi – 1 Bill MarcyMississippi – 2 Martin BakerMissouri – 1 Michael FaulknerNew York – 15 Janice VolkNew York – 29 Jerry GrimesNorth Carolina – 1 Lou HuddlestonNorth Carolina – 8 Bill RandallNorth Carolina – 13 Tim ScottSouth Carolina – 1 Jean Howard HillTennessee – 3 Charlotte BergmannTennessee – 9 William HurdTexas – 23 Stephen BrodenTexas – 30 Chuck SmithVirginia – 3 David CastilloWashington – 3

…and the Democratic Mainstream Media has done their best to conceal this information!

CosmosDan said:
Good for balance. I saw a clip of a young man in CA running and he looked excellent. I think years of the Dems trying to buy votes with social programs needs to change. Helping the poor is great. Enabling the poor for votes is not.

I think you’re being overly cynical suggesting that progressive legislation aimed at helping the poor and/or disenfranchised was merely done in order to garner future votes.

I’m a black Houstonian woman, sorry I would NEVER vote Repuke.

NORBIT said:
…and the Democratic Mainstream Media has done their best to conceal this information!

Yes they have. To be honest, when I was researching the information, I was rather surprised. You sure don’t hear about it – which is sad, but considering that it goes against the liberal thinking it does not surprise me that no one mentions it.

Ann Okafor said:
I’m a black Houstonian woman, sorry I would NEVER vote Repuke.

And that is your choice. The fact is, you are thinking precisely what the big wigs at the DNC want you to think. They sure as heck don’t want you to have an open mind.

Latin2 said:
Before the 1970s the KKK WAS the Democratic Party and after that the Democrats moved on for a larger segment the minority communities to win elections. They helped foster the “Great Society” which enslaved Black, Latino and poor whites with Welfare. Welfare under the Great Society destroyed the communities of color and the effects are still seen today in communities that are crumbling because of the effects to ENSLAVE minorities as Democrats by giving them ‘free money’. Ruining the ‘family unit’ in the poor communities. The Government check replaced the husband, and the government became the head of household as long as poor people voted Democratic, the checks kept coming.

Sorry, I’m black and we’re not that dumb. Republicans used to be the liberals or The Left while the Democrats were the conservatives. After the Civil Rights passage, many southern Democrats were upset so they switched to the Republican side. Since the 1940s, my family started voting Democrat, like many other blacks. Today most blacks vote Democrat. It has always been the left, which ever party, that has supported blacks. As for today black GOPers, well, some blacks wanted to be slaves.

“The new billboard depicts a number of well-heeled African-American actors while trumpeting the new slogan. Its also likely to spark a debate that may include allegations of race-baiting”

Needed: Competition for Black Votes
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/needed_competition_for_black_votes_20101007/

Damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

Why should they receive criticism for targeting minority groups? Dems have been doing it for decades.

More Liberty said:
Thanks CosmosDan. I appreciate your balance as well. I just wish that the authors of such articles would put a little more balance and facts to their writing. This is just my opinion of course. I always thought that Mediaite was supposed to be a “neutral” site.

Balance is an ongoing challenge to maintain. We all have our bias and preference. I try to be aware of my own and make things like honesty , real facts, judging people left and right with a one standard, a practice, but don’t expect to always do it in an unbiased manner.

One thing to remember about policies is that we are a living changing nation and it’s to be expected that policies and practices will need to be examined, tweaked and changed over time. I don’t think one political ideology will solve our problems, because policies are put in place and executed by imperfect people and Washington is a corruption machine. We need to continue to weed out those in DC that have lost the ability to be public servants and IMO respect those from either party who sincerely try to serve. I think it’s the balance that makes it work.
In the interview on the Daily Show last night I appreciated Jon’s question about whether our government is nimble enough to truly address changing issues, and Obama’s answer that there are certain procedural changes that need to take place so we can at least expect our elected officials to vote rather than delay indefinitely.

sarainitaly said:
Why should they receive criticism for targeting minority groups? Dems have been doing it for decades.

They shouldn’t and it sure hasn’t been just the Dems.

Ann Okafor said:
As for today black GOPers, well, some blacks wanted to be slaves.

OMG…that is just a disgusting statement. Do you really believe that is someone has a different view than yourself, that they want to be “slaves?” Are you so intolerant and closed to different opinions that you actually think these individuals that have had the audacity to leave the DNC a akin to “slaves” that wanted to be “slaves?” Surely you are not that mean spirited and intolerant.

While I might be wrong, it is my opinion that we are all individuals with differing experiences, beliefs and views. These change our way of thinking in how we view the world. We are not just a collective of hyphenated individuals that are supposed to think and live a certain way based on physical traits such as gender and race.

That was truly a sad statement.

Ann Okafor said:
It has always been the left, which ever party, that has supported blacks. As for today black GOPers, well, some blacks wanted to be slaves.

I honestly don’t think that’s it. People need to seriously consider the idea that sometimes social programs can create dependency that is not good for people. It’s a two way street , with government doing what it can to make sure there is equality of opportunity, such as education, but the public must do what it can to seize the opportunity available.

CosmosDan said:
People need to seriously consider the idea that sometimes social programs can create dependency that is not good for people.

I agree.

Some_Dude said:
Hahaha, hoooo boy. I don’t know a single black person in my family or that I work with that wouldn’t be offended by this clumsy attempt to get their vote. I can’t even begin to imagine…. Colby, are you sure this isn’t a prank of some sort?

you live and hang with racists?

A whole group of people being played for saps by the Democrats .

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20020978-503544.html?tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea

Some_Dude said:
I think you’re being overly cynical suggesting that progressive legislation aimed at helping the poor and/or disenfranchised was merely done in order to garner future votes.

Really? I think I’m being completely realistic about how politics works. Let me clarify. I prefer to be in a society that does reach out and help those in need, but I also know that people need to be pushed and motivated to help themselves. I don’t think policies are often judged at least in part by what group will this make happy and likely vote for me rather than purely, what’s really best for society as a whole.

So, while I’m not saying it’s done entirely to get votes, I am saying that’s a major consideration. I’m not saying don’t help people. I’m saying we need to consider the problem of creating people who are to dependent, across generations, and try to find ways to push them into wanting more and achieving more, for their own sake and for the sake of society as well.

Ann Okafor said:
Sorry, I’m black and we’re not that dumb. Republicans used to be the liberals or The Left while the Democrats were the conservatives. After the Civil Rights passage, many southern Democrats were upset so they switched to the Republican side. Since the 1940s, my family started voting Democrat, like many other blacks. Today most blacks vote Democrat. It has always been the left, which ever party, that has supported blacks. As for today black GOPers, well, some blacks wanted to be slaves.

what have democrats done lately to “support blacks”?

Examining Black Loyalty to Democrats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryXpK042pQ&feature=channel

Why I’m A Conservative Republican
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acQluy7nymw&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNxG0Eo3QtY&feature=channel

sarainitaly said:
what have democrats done lately to “support blacks”? Examining Black Loyalty to Democratshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryXpK042pQ&feature=channel Why I’m A Conservative Republicanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acQluy7nymw&feature=channelhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNxG0Eo3QtY&feature=channel

They “support” you by giving you free shit. Hell of a reason to vote for them.

Ann Okafor said:
Sorry, I’m black and we’re not that dumb. Republicans used to be the liberals or The Left while the Democrats were the conservatives. After the Civil Rights passage, many southern Democrats were upset so they switched to the Republican side. Since the 1940s, my family started voting Democrat, like many other blacks. Today most blacks vote Democrat. It has always been the left, which ever party, that has supported blacks. As for today black GOPers, well, some blacks wanted to be slaves.

Speaking of not that dumb, explain the logic behind saying that the passage of the civil rights bill caused the racist conservative Democrats (who were party of the racist conservative party) were so upset that they defected to the liberal Republican much less racist party in retaliation. That’s like saying far right republicans are so upset about gay marriage being legalized that they became liberal democrats in protest. Sounds pretty dumb to me.

“Ann Okafor said:
Sorry, I’m black and we’re not that dumb. Republicans used to be the liberals or The Left while the Democrats were the conservatives. After the Civil Rights passage, many southern Democrats were upset so they switched to the Republican side. Since the 1940s, my family started voting Democrat, like many other blacks. Today most blacks vote Democrat. It has always been the left, which ever party, that has supported blacks. As for today black GOPers, well, some blacks wanted to be slaves”

They “support” you by giving you free shit. Hell of a reason to vote for them.

Sorry Sara, that comment was meant for Ann Okafar..

CosmosDan said:
Really? I think I’m being completely realistic about how politics works. Let me clarify. I prefer to be in a society that does reach out and help those in need, but I also know that people need to be pushed and motivated to help themselves. I don’t think policies are often judged at least in part by what group will this make happy and likely vote for me rather than purely, what’s really best for society as a whole.

So, while I’m not saying it’s done entirely to get votes, I am saying that’s a major consideration. I’m not saying don’t help people. I’m saying we need to consider the problem of creating people who are to dependent, across generations, and try to find ways to push them into wanting more and achieving more, for their own sake and for the sake of society as well.

Couldn’t have said it better myself.

CosmosDan said:
So, while I’m not saying it’s done entirely to get votes, I am saying that’s a major consideration. I’m not saying don’t help people. I’m saying we need to consider the problem of creating people who are to dependent, across generations, and try to find ways to push them into wanting more and achieving more, for their own sake and for the sake of society as well.

Another fair point. A good example is when Bill Clinton and the Republican congress reformed Welfare in the 90s. I remember this well. The left was screaming that this would “put mothers on the street” and other types of fear mongering. But what happened? It forced people to go to work and even decreased unemployment.

Thanks for posting that list More Liberty – it sure would be nice if the liberal media didn’t always make fun of and attempt to slander black republicans. I recall when they referred to Colin Powell as “Uncle Tom” and Condi Rice as “Aunt Jemima”….then once Powell endorsed Obama, he was all of a sudden back on the plantation and deemed smart again. As for the Aunt Jemima cartoons regarding Condi, I don’t think they ever apologized.

The “This Exists” in the title of this column is disgusting, but typical. Can’t have any AA’s going off the liberal mandated plantation – look what the liberal elite Ms. Shiller (aka, media “whore” [terminology approved by DNC and NOW]} did to Juan when he dared speak of his own feelings that were different than what is acceptable by the liberal elite Ms. Shiller (aka media “bitch” [terminology approved by the View, Barbara Walters, and NOW]).

haha.. GOP = pathetic hillbilly assclowns. completely blind to their own bigoted beliefs they will do every retarded thing possible to show they are not racists!! ooh whats next? lets invite a black guy and a mexican to dinner?

TfT said:
Thanks for posting that list More Liberty – it sure would be nice if the liberal media didn’t always make fun of and attempt to slander black republicans.

Thanks. We need to start looking at people as individuals and not some hyphenated collective that is all the same.

mathenjp said:
haha.. GOP = pathetic hillbilly assclowns. completely blind to their own bigoted beliefs they will do every retarded thing possible to show they are not racists!! ooh whats next? lets invite a black guy and a mexican to dinner?

See look at this comment. It has no facts, no reasonable opinions – just slander and intolerance. Such comments do not help the debate, although he/she is perfectly free to say this and act in such ways. I feel sorry for this persons mother.

Pathetic Prince says:

I imagine it was financed with some of Rove’s and Gillespie’s Chinese corporate money

Hey liar, the NYT asked the Dems if they had ANY proof of foreign donations being used by Repubs and they said NO. You are a liar, which of course is not news to any of us here!

mathenjp said:
haha.. GOP = pathetic hillbilly assclowns. completely blind to their own bigoted beliefs they will do every retarded thing possible to show they are not racists!! ooh whats next? lets invite a black guy and a mexican to dinner?

Did you see the list of republican african american candidates above? Are they all Toms?

Yassir, massa repubclans, I’se sho iz glad you gonna be lookin out fer us black folks.

Stratdude said:
Yassir, massa repubclans, I’se sho iz glad you gonna be lookin out fer us black folks.

This is another intolerant and disgusting comment. No facts, nothing – just hate from a liberal that is scared of African-Americans having different opinions and views.

It’s about time the media noticed Ragingelephants.org

Black conservatives are growing strong and loud. If you are one. Check out the John Langston Forum as well!

http://blackrepublicans.ning.com/

Ann Okafor said:
Republicans used to be the liberals or The Left while the Democrats were the conservatives. After the Civil Rights passage, many southern Democrats were upset so they switched to the Republican side

Thanks for saying this,i was wondering the same thing.I have never heard Dems of being KKK.A very bad group of humans no matter what ticket they run on.

More Liberty said:
And that is your choice. The fact is, you are thinking precisely what the big wigs at the DNC want you to think. They sure as heck don’t want you to have an open mind.

I do have an open mind. Being anti-homosexual and anti-Islam isn’t having an “open mind.”
I’m a proud social democrat, not a socialist or communist. Socialism and Capitalism are complete failures.

We want a private enterprise, but strongly regulated to protect the interests of workers, consumers and small enterprise (in stark contrast to libertarian).
We want an extensive system of social security (although usually not to the extent advocated by socialists or communist), with the stated goal of counteracting the effects of poverty and insuring the citizens against loss of income following illness, unemployment or retirement.
We want to ensure good education, health care, child care, etc for all citizens through government funding.
We want extensive social laws (minimum wages, working circumstances, protection against firing).
We want environmental protection laws (like environmental laws specifically opposing monoculture).
We are NOT tolerant towards those who believe in hate. Our free speech stops where the other person’s begins. We want Anti-xenophobic and non-fundamentalist legislations (pro-choice, anti-racist, anti-homophobic). That also means going after minorities who feel they have a right to hate on others.
We want a foreign policy that supports multilateralism and international institutions such as the United Nations. Instead of starting wars, we should be peacekeepers and work with the UN. The U.S. should not act as a sovereign nation, but as one member of a world community.

Do Libertarians and Conservatives share my views? No. Why would I vote for them? The closets to my views are Democrats, but too many of them are Conservative.

The Real Royal King said:
the next time they spew some of their venom

Everybody spews venom get over it.Its called freedom of speech, right. One man or womans opinion is anothers venom.Besides this sight would be dull if it were not for all of Our Opinions.In my humble opinion.

timzank said:
“Ann Okafor said:
Sorry, I’m black and we’re not that dumb. Republicans used to be the liberals or The Left while the Democrats were the conservatives. After the Civil Rights passage, many southern Democrats were upset so they switched to the Republican side. Since the 1940s, my family started voting Democrat, like many other blacks. Today most blacks vote Democrat. It has always been the left, which ever party, that has supported blacks. As for today black GOPers, well, some blacks wanted to be slaves”

They “support” you by giving you free shit. Hell of a reason to vote for them.

Sorry Sara, that comment was meant for Ann Okafar..

Seeing that you know me so well, what free shit have they given me?

Ann Okafor said:
Do Libertarians and Conservatives share my views? No. Why would I vote for them? The closets to my views are Democrats, but too many of them are Conservative.

Fair enough. I respect your right to have your own political opinion. While I don’t agree with your politics, I respect your right. You are a free individual who should be respect for having thoughts, views based on life.

However, you made an obvious attack on others that do not share your political beliefs. You basically claimed in a very intolerant and hateful manner that African-Americans that are republicans are somehow traitors or want to be slaves. You claim to support tolerance but then show how very intolerant you are.

More Liberty said:
That was truly a sad statement.

Ann Okafor said:
As for today black GOPers, well, some blacks wanted to be slaves.

I to thought this was a sad thing to say.I always have hope that the next generation will always remember “we the people” are all just that “people’.Even with all of our differences.

Ann Okafor said:
“Republicans used to be the liberals or The Left while the Democrats were the conservatives. After the Civil Rights passage, many southern Democrats were upset so they switched to the Republican side.”

You mean like Senator Byrd (D) that was admittedly a former KKK member? He died this year the longest serving DEMOCRAT, and was hailed by fellow democrats.

Also, does that mean the FDR was a “conservative?” And does that mean that Eisenhower, was a liberal even though he believed in limited government?

Ann Okafor said:
. As for today black GOPers, well, some blacks wanted to be slaves.

Ann Okafor said:
That also means going after minorities who feel they have a right to hate on others.

Just curious……does this mean you will be going after yourself?
The first quote, which is hateful….shortsighted and just mean spirited, sure doesn’t square with the second…..
You are saying that all blacks who have a different political view than you have….want to be slaves….unbelievably cruel.

“The new billboard depicts a number of well-heeled African-American actors while trumpeting the new slogan. Its also likely to spark a debate that may include allegations of race-baiting, as well as a certain inquiry into where the funds initially came from…coming to a basic cable news program near you!”

So, when Democrats appeal to blacks, it’s all expected, but when Republicans do it, it’s race-baiting? Really?

More Liberty said:
Ann Okafor said:
“Republicans used to be the liberals or The Left while the Democrats were the conservatives. After the Civil Rights passage, many southern Democrats were upset so they switched to the Republican side.”

You mean like Senator Byrd (D) that was admittedly a former KKK member? He died this year the longest serving DEMOCRAT, and was hailed by fellow democrats.

Also, does that mean the FDR was a “conservative?” And does that mean that Eisenhower, was a liberal even though he believed in limited government?

Like I said earlier, that statement she made is just propaganda that fails to stand up to even the most cursory investigation.

atreyue said:
Like I said earlier, that statement she made is just propaganda that fails to stand up to even the most cursory investigation.

It’s very simplistic.

What does the GOp plan to do to help african-americans? Aside from tell me to “get off my ass” where are the so-called “handups”? Am I supposed to ge behind the group that wants to abolish the DOE which enables those african-americans who do “get off their asses” to go to college?

All of that aside, this billboard will do nothing in the grand scheme. Furthermore, if this were the left it would be called race-baiting which is what people called it when President Obama attempted to galvanize those groups that turned out in large numbers for him. Gotta love that “double standard” thing the right accuses the left of.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Am I supposed to ge behind the group that wants to abolish the DOE which enables those african-americans who do “get off their asses” to go to college?

That’s a bold and stereotypical statement. Are you attempting to say that all African-Americans can’t afford college, and so must utilize the DE for grants?

Backing college loans is a small part of what the DE actually does, even though they have a budget of $56 billion dollars. Their mission is as follows:
“The Department’s mission is: to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access.”

So far they have failed in their “global competitiveness.” US students consistently rank very low when compared to other developed countries.

More Liberty said:
OMG…that is just a disgusting statement. Do you really believe that is someone has a different view than yourself, that they want to be “slaves?” Are you so intolerant and closed to different opinions that you actually think these individuals that have had the audacity to leave the DNC a akin to “slaves” that wanted to be “slaves?” Surely you are not that mean spirited and intolerant.

While I might be wrong, it is my opinion that we are all individuals with differing experiences, beliefs and views. These change our way of thinking in how we view the world. We are not just a collective of hyphenated individuals that are supposed to think and live a certain way based on physical traits such as gender and race.

That was truly a sad statement.

OMG OMG OMG, please.

We call these people Uncle Toms. Juan Williams is the best example.

I don’t understand black conservative GOPers. I live in Houston and most black districts have black Democrat leaders. The only black Republican I know is my father, but he has never voted in his life. He is very racist towards other blacks and Hispanics and thinks Reagan did no wrong to the black community.

I can speak for black conservative Democrats. The one thing about black conservatives is that they are very hypocritical. They believe in a lot of conservative values and are very religious, but worse off than the non-religious Asians. Many don’t see education as important. The majority of black women go to church every weekend, yet most of them are single mothers, never wed. They say they are pro-life, yet 40% of black pregnancies every year end in abortions. They speak out against anti-black hatred, while at the same time say bigoted things about whites, Jews, gays, etc. and see nothing wrong with it.

CNN did a Black in America a few weeks ago. I would like to know why T.D. Jakes (black TV bishop) on the show. They said more blacks were turning to the church for answers for their economic problems…what? The black church is run by a few black men who take money away from single desperate black women, who then spend the money lavishly on themselves.

There’s a new breed of black Democrats, and they are young black liberals. No longer will we allow conservative black Democrats to represent us. Their intolerance to gays, Jews, Asians, etc is no longer acceptable. I was proud by the number of young blacks who were purple to honor those gay children who took their lives because of bullying. But of course, Republicans saw this as an opportunity to continue their anti-gay rhetoric.

First, most welfare recipients are white and not black. Secondly, blue states pay more to the federal government than they receive in benefits. This means that the red states and their conservative representatives who push for limiting federal support are making ideological arguments that are undermined by the reality of their demonstrated need. It is demeaning to argue that African Americans are so daft that the would maintain party loyalty to a political ideology that “enslaves” them on a “plantation”. I know that it might feel good to those poor and middle class whites who need a scapegoat for our national problems, and might even be a bit cleansing to imagine all that economic and social problems are solved by converting others to their ideology but reason does not support the argument being repeated here.

Ann Okafor said:
We call these people Uncle Toms. Juan Williams is the best example.

Wow. You are truly a bigot, and I feel sorry for you. You are also very ignorant, not dumb, just ignorant. You do know that Juan Williams is a liberal who claims to support most of President Obama’$ actions right? He consistently supports Obama on many issues, but since he doesn’t support the DNC on 100% of the items you agree with he is some form of “uncle tom.”

African-Americans have fought for years to be free and independent, yet when a diverse aspect of thoughts and views comes out they are attacked verbally by intolerant individuals like yourself – they are called “uncle toms.”

Wow

More Liberty said:
That’s a bold and stereotypical statement. Are you attempting to say that all African-Americans can’t afford college, and so must utilize the DE for grants?

Backing college loans is a small part of what the DE actually does, even though they have a budget of $56 billion dollars. Their mission is as follows:
“The Department’s mission is: to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access.”

So far they have failed in their “global competitiveness.” US students consistently rank very low when compared to other developed countries.

No, I’m not saying that all cannot, but I’m saying that in the community that I’m from most cannot. I’m saying that there is an overwhelming majority that can’t. You have a large number like my friends and myself who get by on scholarships & loans, but most people are on pell grants and federal loans. Federal loans are much more condusive for students than private loans. Your comment on the DOE further emphasizes a problem with us; they’re underfunded. We as a country do not place enough of an emphasis on education, we’re more concerned with keeping gay from being married and serving openly in the military.

More Liberty,

Why object to Ann with such disdain with no criticism of this…

“They helped foster the “Great Society” which enslaved Black, Latino and poor whites with Welfare. Welfare under the Great Society destroyed the communities of color and the effects are still seen today in communities that are crumbling because of the effects to ENSLAVE minorities as Democrats by giving them ‘free money’. Ruining the ‘family unit’ in the poor communities. “- Latin2

More Liberty said:
Wow. You are truly a bigot, and I feel sorry for you. You are also very ignorant, not dumb, just ignorant. You do know that Juan Williams is a liberal who claims to support most of President Obama’$ actions right? He consistently supports Obama on many issues, but since he doesn’t support the DNC on 100% of the items you agree with he is some form of “uncle tom.”

African-Americans have fought for years to be free and independent, yet when a diverse aspect of thoughts and views comes out they are attacked verbally by intolerant individuals like yourself – they are called “uncle toms.”

Wow

I don’t share Ann’s views completely here, but I do have to agree that most black conservatives are fairly hypocritical; seeking to abolish the same programs that even enabled them to get where they are. Some may consider that to be an “uncle tom”, I just consider them hypocrites. The belief that blacks will be better off w/o gov’t programs is far off, I urge you to look at conditions before those programs existed versus afterwards.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
We as a country do not place enough of an emphasis on education, we’re more concerned with keeping gay from being married and serving openly in the military.

You might want to talk to President Obama about that. I have no problem with gays marrying or serving in the military – but he appears to.

To call someone an “Uncle Tom” is essentially the same as calling someone a RHINO, but I guess black folk have to be more careful with their language than whites… even when it is a long lasting historical metaphor.

More Liberty said:
You might want to talk to President Obama about that. I have no problem with gays marrying or serving in the military – but he appears to.

You might want to pay attention to what president Obama has actually been doing rather than going with narrow perception. I urge you to take a look at politifact. You should look again at the educational funding provided in the stimulus.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I don’t share Ann’s views completely here, but I do have to agree that most black conservatives are fairly hypocritical; seeking to abolish the same programs that even enabled them to get where they are. Some may consider that to be an “uncle tom”, I just consider them hypocrites. The belief that blacks will be better off w/o gov’t programs is far off, I urge you to look at conditions before those programs existed versus afterwards.

Gee, let’s look at the places under the most liberal control: the inner cities. What can we say after FIFTY frackin’ years of liberalism? About all we can say is there is a lot of hopelessness, despair and death.

That’s the results. You can’t blame Bush, you can’t blame the “last 8 years”, but we can blame Democrats/Liberals.

Either you blame the people (not me) or you blame the system. It;s the system and the system is utterly controlled by liberals.

How many deaths and destroyed families have these liberals caused?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
The belief that blacks will be better off w/o gov’t programs is far off, I urge you to look at conditions before those programs existed versus afterwards.</blockquote

My main disagreement with her is her attitude regarding other African-Americans that don't agree with her political ideology. She calls them "uncle-toms." She claims to be tolerant but turns right around and attacks others for having a different view.

Even you are making stereotypical remarks. You seem to think that if An African-American has succeeded, it is do to government help and not their own hard work. Why is it so hard for you to believe that an African-American can make it without someone else, especially white liberals, helping them?

Sorry for the screwed up quote. The following is correct.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
“The belief that blacks will be better off w/o gov’t programs is far off, I urge you to look at conditions before those programs existed versus afterwards”

My main disagreement with her is her attitude regarding other African-Americans that don’t agree with her political ideology. She calls them “uncle-toms.” She claims to be tolerant but turns right around and attacks others for having a different view.

Even you are making stereotypical remarks. You seem to think that if An African-American has succeeded, it is do to government help and not their own hard work. Why is it so hard for you to believe that an African-American can make it without someone else, especially white liberals, helping them?

Alz said:
Gee, let’s look at the places under the most liberal control: the inner cities. What can we say after FIFTY frackin’ years of liberalism? About all we can say is there is a lot of hopelessness, despair and death.

That’s the results. You can’t blame Bush, you can’t blame the “last 8 years”, but we can blame Democrats/Liberals.

Either you blame the people (not me) or you blame the system. It;s the system and the system is utterly controlled by liberals.

How many deaths and destroyed families have these liberals caused?

No all Democrats are liberals.

More Liberty said:
Fair enough. I respect your right to have your own political opinion. While I don’t agree with your politics, I respect your right. You are a free individual who should be respect for having thoughts, views based on life.

However, you made an obvious attack on others that do not share your political beliefs. You basically claimed in a very intolerant and hateful manner that African-Americans that are republicans are somehow traitors or want to be slaves. You claim to support tolerance but then show how very intolerant you are.

No just look at all past things Juan Williams have said about the black community. He believes its OK for whites to discriminate against blacks. I doubt he has many black friends.

sarainitaly said:
what have democrats done lately to “support blacks”?

Examining Black Loyalty to Democrats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xryXpK042pQ&feature=channel

Why I’m A Conservative Republican
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acQluy7nymw&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNxG0Eo3QtY&feature=channel

Democrats fought to give more Americans access to affordable health care. Republicans want us to die young. In 2009, 19 percent of blacks did not have health insurance, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

By 2014, insurance companies will no longer be able to deny coverage to anyone with pre-existing conditions.

Insurers are already barred from denying children with pre-existing conditions. While all Americans stand to gain from this particular regulation, African Americans in particular should celebrate: Black children are more prone than white children to a host of illnesses, including type 2 diabetes and asthma.

All new health-insurance plans will be forced to cover a critical variety of preventive services, including mammograms, colonoscopies and well-baby visits. This is important for African Americans, because black men have some of the highest death rates from something like colon cancer. And although breast cancer is relatively uncommon in black women, blacks are more likely to die from it.

The new National HIV/AIDS Strategy marks the first time in American history that a president (Obama) has established an official plan for defeating AIDS in America. Though African Americans make up just 13 percent of the population, we account for half of the new HIV infections in the U.S. today. And in 2008, AIDS was the leading cause of death among black women ages 25 to 34.

Michelle Obama’s “Let’s Move!” initiative, designed to reduce childhood obesity by encouraging healthy eating and exercise, is of extreme importance to communities of color. In 2002, according to HHS, African-American and Mexican-American children were 7 percent and 9 percent more likely to be overweight than their white counterparts.

The CDC’s “Communities Putting Prevention to Work” initiative has invested $600 million to combat obesity and tobacco use, both of which have a disproportionate impact on the African-American community.

Alz said:
Gee, let’s look at the places under the most liberal control: the inner cities. What can we say after FIFTY frackin’ years of liberalism? About all we can say is there is a lot of hopelessness, despair and death.

That’s the results. You can’t blame Bush, you can’t blame the “last 8 years”, but we can blame Democrats/Liberals.

Either you blame the people (not me) or you blame the system. It;s the system and the system is utterly controlled by liberals.

How many deaths and destroyed families have these liberals caused?

Correlation is not causation… your attempt to conflate the two is misleading. Migration to urban centers coincided with rapid de-industrialization, African Americans lacked the labor force attachment that allowed earlier European ethnic groups to navigate the resultant economic decline in the cities. Combine a shift toward a service economy with harsh discrimination (red lining is a perfect example), uneven distribution of city services, and urban machines that while democratic often operated in a perfectly conservative manner to the newly arrived and you begin to scratch the surface of urban inequality.

Again, correlation is not causation.

Ann Okafor said:
No just look at all past things Juan Williams have said about the black community. He believes its OK for whites to discriminate against blacks. I doubt he has many black friends.

He has claimed that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton promote “a culture of failure.” Is he not able to criticizes fellow African-Americans, even one like Mr Jackson that joked about castrating President Obama because of a comment that Obama made about the black community?

He’s also said that the DNC “has not delivered in terms of protecting the poor, minorities in the country, on basic items, like education for your children, safety in our streets, making sure that you have the opportunity to have an economic foothold on the ladder of upward mobility.”

Do you disagree with that?

Ann Okafor said:

October 28, 2010 at 11:56 am  (Qu

LOL…are you serious? healthcare cost are on the rise, even after we all were promised lower healthcare costs.

http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20101018/NEWS05/101019901/boeing-employees-to-see-health-care-costs-rise-due-to-new-law

http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2010/06/14/study-health-care-costs-to-rise-9-in-2011-higher-deductibles-ahead/

http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/14/news/economy/health_care_2011/index.htm

Healthcare costs are rising. I’m sorry you believed everything these politicians told you.

Greg said:
To call someone an “Uncle Tom” is essentially the same as calling someone a RHINO, but I guess black folk have to be more careful with their language than whites… even when it is a long lasting historical metaphor.

The colloquial definition – as used by Tawana Sharpton, the Civil Rights Industry, and the rest of that race-baiting ilk – would be more akin to “Traitor to One’s Race”; specifically if you’re black and dare to stray off the Progressive Democrat’s Plantation of Dependency!

More Liberty said:
Another fair point. A good example is when Bill Clinton and the Republican congress reformed Welfare in the 90s. I remember this well. The left was screaming that this would “put mothers on the street” and other types of fear mongering. But what happened? It forced people to go to work and even decreased unemployment.

I see welfare as a sliding scale. ON one end is no welfare which is a harsh reality that allows suffering we can prevent. On the other end is the fiscal social equality of socialism. I think we can find an acceptable point towards the middle that addresses reality.
I understand the desire to help those in need but I think some liberals either don’t see the dependency it creates and how harmful that dependency can be, or they think it’s all worth it as long as we’re helping people. As a parent I learned it’s not an act of cruelty to give someone a kick in the ass when they need it, and to teach them that bad choices have consequences.
OTOH, I think we also need to maintain a perspective on where welfare is on the list of financial issues. While the idea of people gaming the system is aggravating to hard working Americans I think that corporate influence in DC is a much larger issue and one we don’t see as clearly. We’ll be much more able to get people off welfare when there are more jobs that pay a living wage.

More Liberty said:
Is he not able to criticizes fellow African-Americans

No Black person shalt criticize another Black person unless said Black person has already violated the rules of the Black community or it’s during a comedy routine. If one dost have a criticism of the Black community itself, it must NEVER be aired in front of or to any White person, unless that person is present at at comedy show. I think it’s one of the Black Ten Commandments.

Good luck trying to reason with someone who leads off with:

Ann Okafor said:
Democrats fought to give more Americans access to affordable health care. Republicans want us to die young.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You might want to pay attention to what president Obama has actually been doing rather than going with narrow perception. I urge you to take a look at politifact. You should look again at the educational funding provided in the stimulus.

Education is a huge issue. It’s a fact that we are not providing the educational opportunities in poor urban areas and it benefits us all if we do. I don’t consider money spent on education to be welfare.

More Liberty said:
He has claimed that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton promote “a culture of failure.” Is he not able to criticizes fellow African-Americans, even one like Mr Jackson that joked about castrating President Obama because of a comment that Obama made about the black community? He’s also said that the DNC “has not delivered in terms of protecting the poor, minorities in the country, on basic items, like education for your children, safety in our streets, making sure that you have the opportunity to have an economic foothold on the ladder of upward mobility.” Do you disagree with that?

I don’t disagree with that statement fully, but don’t agree with it fully either. Much has been done, but more could have been done.

However, there is no doubt tha the DNC has done more to assist, over the last 50 years, the African-American and minorities in general than the GOP has.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I don’t share Ann’s views completely here, but I do have to agree that most black conservatives are fairly hypocritical; seeking to abolish the same programs that even enabled them to get where they are. Some may consider that to be an “uncle tom”, I just consider them hypocrites. The belief that blacks will be better off w/o gov’t programs is far off, I urge you to look at conditions before those programs existed versus afterwards.

It’s not an all or nothing proposition. I maintain that we have to examine the realities of welfare to make sure we’re not creating generations of dependents, while still offering some relief to those in need. We might also require some effort of the able bodied who receive welfare so we instill the mentality that as a citizen something is required of you.

Society changes and we have to change with it. Programs that worked 20 to 50 years ago may not be in our best interest now, so we have to keep looking at them and tweaking them accordingly.

CosmosDan said:
I see welfare as a sliding scale. ON one end is no welfare which is a harsh reality that allows suffering we can prevent. On the other end is the fiscal social equality of socialism. I think we can find an acceptable point towards the middle that addresses reality.
I understand the desire to help those in need but I think some liberals either don’t see the dependency it creates and how harmful that dependency can be, or they think it’s all worth it as long as we’re helping people. As a parent I learned it’s not an act of cruelty to give someone a kick in the ass when they need it, and to teach them that bad choices have consequences.
OTOH, I think we also need to maintain a perspective on where welfare is on the list of financial issues. While the idea of people gaming the system is aggravating to hard working Americans I think that corporate influence in DC is a much larger issue and one we don’t see as clearly. We’ll be much more able to get people off welfare when there are more jobs that pay a living wage.

Well said…

CosmosDan said:
I see welfare as a sliding scale. ON one end is no welfare which is a harsh reality that allows suffering we can prevent. On the other end is the fiscal social equality of socialism. I think we can find an acceptable point towards the middle that addresses reality.
I understand the desire to help those in need but I think some liberals either don’t see the dependency it creates and how harmful that dependency can be, or they think it’s all worth it as long as we’re helping people. As a parent I learned it’s not an act of cruelty to give someone a kick in the ass when they need it, and to teach them that bad choices have consequences.
OTOH, I think we also need to maintain a perspective on where welfare is on the list of financial issues. While the idea of people gaming the system is aggravating to hard working Americans I think that corporate influence in DC is a much larger issue and one we don’t see as clearly. We’ll be much more able to get people off welfare when there are more jobs that pay a living wage.

While I don’t disagree that there is room to thoughtfully consider a middle ground, I think you can’t really talk about living wage without discussing the idea of living within your means. Someone earning $8 an hour shouldn’t be getting a house and should be driving a Kia instead of a BMW, if they own a car at all. People keep on expanding the definition of necessities, and I think it’s proven to be a slippery slope socially. I don’t think that calling for personal fiscal responsibility should be equated with cruelty. I think there’s room for that belief and the philosophy that people want the best for their communities and will work to improve them without being forced to by the government.

SpineCrusher said:
I don’t disagree with that statement fully, but don’t agree with it fully either. Much has been done, but more could have been done.

However, there is no doubt tha the DNC has done more to assist, over the last 50 years, the African-American and minorities in general than the GOP has.

The reality is that we can’t reduce it down to simplistic terms. Welfare , as well as the lack of it, both have benefits and problems and we must try to judge accordingly.

Greg said:
We’ll be much more able to get people off welfare when there are more jobs that pay a living wage.

Fair point. However, it’s difficult when we have businesses that ignore our employment/immigration laws and hire individuals under the table because they do not have documentation. Such circumstances means that these people will work for a way less wage compare to individuals that are legally able to work in the US. Jobs that once attracted Americans are no longer doing so because undocumented workers are very willing to work for very low wages – thus under cutting our working class.

atreyue said:
While I don’t disagree that there is room to thoughtfully consider a middle ground, I think you can’t really talk about living wage without discussing the idea of living within your means. Someone earning $8 an hour shouldn’t be getting a house and should be driving a Kia instead of a BMW, if they own a car at all. People keep on expanding the definition of necessities, and I think it’s proven to be a slippery slope socially. I don’t think that calling for personal fiscal responsibility should be equated with cruelty. I think there’s room for that belief and the philosophy that people want the best for their communities and will work to improve them without being forced to by the government.

A great point. My sister in law did free financial counseling. She was dismayed at how many people just weren’t willing to give up luxuries and live simply within their means. I grew up poor, but never realized it until I was in high school because we always had the essentials and made the best of it.
It truly is a multi faceted issue

More Liberty says:
“Fair point. However, it’s difficult when we have businesses that ignore our employment/immigration laws and hire individuals under the table because they do not have documentation.”

So now we see that More–sock puppet–Liberty is not just a Libertarian reactionary but a nativist to boot, like too many others in the tea party.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/for-undecided-voters-various-strains-of.html

GlennBeckReview said:
So now we see that More–sock puppet–Liberty is not just a Libertarian reactionary but a nativist to boot, like too many others in the tea party.

Are you seriously upset that I believe that businesses should be held accountable for ignoring our employment and immigration laws? So we should just let businesses not follow the law? I don’t blame people for wanting to come to the USA – hell I know I’d want to, but the fact remains that businesses should be following our laws.

Blacks and Latinos belong in the Republican Party like cats belong in water. (Southern strategy is still being played out)

Blacks belong on a stage with Glenn Beck like they belong in boiling water.

http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/08/glenn-becks-race-baiting-christianity.html

CosmosDan said:
Education is a huge issue. It’s a fact that we are not providing the educational opportunities in poor urban areas and it benefits us all if we do. I don’t consider money spent on education to be welfare.

I agree.

GlennBeckReview said:
Blacks and Latinos belong in the Republican Party like cats belong in water. (Southern strategy is still being played out)

Wow – You are a true bigot. There is nothing like white liberals trying to tell minorities where they should and shouldn’t go.

Spinecrusher says:

However, there is no doubt tha the DNC has done more to assist, over the last 50 years, the African-American and minorities in general than the GOP has.

No, they’ve done everything they can to keep them under their BOOT and convince them they need the Dem party and can’t make it on their own.

Seeing November From My Window said:
No, they’ve done everything they can to keep them under their BOOT and convince them they need the Dem party and can’t make it on their own.

You know that is a fair statement. Even on here I hear liberals implying that blacks can’t make it on their own – that they need help to make it. Why don’t these liberals think that African-Americans have the ability to make it on their own, without help from bloated government entity.

Ann Okafor says:
October 28, 2010 at 11:56 am (Quote)

atreyue said:
Good luck trying to reason with someone who leads off with:

LOL! No kidding! but, that’s why I asked in the first place. I was expecting this type of reply.

More Liberty said:
You know that is a fair statement. Even on here I hear liberals implying that blacks can’t make it on their own – that they need help to make it. Why don’t these liberals think that African-Americans have the ability to make it on their own, without help from bloated government entity.

Look at Ann’s answer. She all but says as much.

tell them jarhead, happy birthday nov 10, LIberty explains it very well, not5hing is simply black and white

cd ohio said:
tell them jarhead, happy birthday nov 10, LIberty explains it very well, not5hing is simply black and white

thanks

More Liberty said:
You know that is a fair statement. Even on here I hear liberals implying that blacks can’t make it on their own – that they need help to make it. Why don’t these liberals think that African-Americans have the ability to make it on their own, without help from bloated government entity.

Ridiculous,

Again, there are more whites on welfare and the red states bleed the blue states through the federal system. It would be more accurate to say that the hard working liberals are kept under the boot of the lazy conservatives who spit toward Washington while they pocket federal money and complain about urban black dependency.

Why don’t these liberals think that African-Americans have the ability to make it on their own, without help from bloated government entity.

Well because they know if they start telling them they can make it on their, they lose a ton of their power.

Seeing November From My Window said:
Why don’t these liberals think that African-Americans have the ability to make it on their own, without help from bloated government entity.

Well because they know if they start telling them they can make it on their, they lose a ton of their power.

Condescending and grotesque… black folk can understand their interests better than you do.

Hey Greg,
You’re right, some of they do. This guy for instance:

PSA From Zo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-tV4LNTRGU

Greg said:
Again, there are more whites on welfare and the red states bleed the blue states through the federal system. It would be more accurate to say that the hard working liberals are kept under the boot of the lazy conservatives who spit toward Washington while they pocket federal money and complain about urban black dependency.

You are correct about the number of whites on welfare, but not per capita. Whites make up roughly 57% of the US population, yet account for about the same percentage in welfare. However, African-Americans make up 14% of the US population yet are 32% of the recipients of welfare. Do you not understand how statistics work?

Also, this is not your blue/red partisan BS. Either way, I support states rights and low taxes so we can even up that number by lowering taxes and federal social programs.

Seeing November From My Window said:
Spinecrusher says:

However, there is no doubt tha the DNC has done more to assist, over the last 50 years, the African-American and minorities in general than the GOP has.

No, they’ve done everything they can to keep them under their BOOT and convince them they need the Dem party and can’t make it on their own.

I think it’s unhelpful hyperbole to assume the worst motives form either side.

More Liberty said:
Ann Okafor said:
“Republicans used to be the liberals or The Left while the Democrats were the conservatives. After the Civil Rights passage, many southern Democrats were upset so they switched to the Republican side.”

You mean like Senator Byrd (D) that was admittedly a former KKK member? He died this year the longest serving DEMOCRAT, and was hailed by fellow democrats.

Also, does that mean the FDR was a “conservative?” And does that mean that Eisenhower, was a liberal even though he believed in limited government?

This is one of those “gotcha” moments that Republicans like to use against liberals and Democrats. However, this only makes Republicans look worse.

First off, FDR, a Democrat, took the liberalism of TR, a Republican, and applied it more broadly and more aggressively, eventually claiming the term as his own and transforming not only the presidency but also the entire American government and the society outside Washington.

The Civil Rights vote of 1964:
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

As you can see, the Northern Democrats voted overwhelming for Civil Rights, against the wishes of most white southerners. President Johnson realized that supporting this bill would risk losing the South’s overwhelming support of the Democratic Party. President Johnson, however, went on to win the 1964 election by one of the biggest landslides in American history. The South, which had started to vote increasingly Republican beginning in the 1930s, continued that trend and became majority Republican in the 1990s. At that point, many white Southern Democrats became Republicans and many Northern Republicans became Democrats.

Seeing November From My Window said:
Why don’t these liberals think that African-Americans have the ability to make it on their own, without help from bloated government entity.

Well because they know if they start telling them they can make it on their, they lose a ton of their power.

I’m black and Liberal and it’s conservatives who rely on Fox to tell them what to do.

Puter Boi said:
Just curious……does this mean you will be going after yourself?
The first quote, which is hateful….shortsighted and just mean spirited, sure doesn’t square with the second…..
You are saying that all blacks who have a different political view than you have….want to be slaves….unbelievably cruel.

It’s not that they want to be slaves, black GOPers vote against their best interest. Without Affirmative Action, where would half of women, minorities, and disable people be?

More Liberty said:
I know this whole point goes against the liberal’s talking points but there are a very sizable number of African-Americans that are running as the GOP candidate for Congress. All the candidates below are African-American and running as Republicans.

The US Senate:
Marion Thorpe
Florida

Milton Gordon
Louisiana

Michael Williams
Texas

US House of Representatives:

Les Phillip
Alabama – 5

Princella Smith
Arkansas – 1

Vernon Parker
Arizona – 3

Virginia Fuller
California – 7

Star Parker
California – 37

Chriystopher Smith
California – 39

Mason Weaver
California – 53

Ryan Frazier
Colorado – 7

Chris Nwasike
Florida – 3

Eddie Adams
Florida – 11

Allen West
Florida – 22

Deon Long
Florida – 24

Cory Ruth
Georgia – 4

Deborah Honeycutt
Georgia – 13

Rupert Parchment
Georgia – 13

Isaac Hayes
Illinois – 2

Marvin Scott
Indiana – 7

Robert Broadus
Maryland – 4

Charles Lollar
Maryland – 5

Bill Hardiman
Michigan – 3

Angela McGlowan
Mississippi – 1

Bill Marcy
Mississippi – 2

Martin Baker
Missouri – 1

Michael Faulkner
New York – 15

Janice Volk
New York – 29

Jerry Grimes
North Carolina – 1

Lou Huddleston
North Carolina – 8

Bill Randall
North Carolina – 13

Tim Scott
South Carolina – 1

Jean Howard Hill
Tennessee – 3

Charlotte Bergmann
Tennessee – 9

William Hurd
Texas – 23

Stephen Broden
Texas – 30

Chuck Smith
Virginia – 3

David Castillo
Washington – 3

How many current black Republicans in office are there? I could list a lot of black Democrats, maybe some Greens.

More Liberty said:
You are correct about the number of whites on welfare, but not per capita. Whites make up roughly 57% of the US population, yet account for about the same percentage in welfare. However, African-Americans make up 14% of the US population yet are 32% of the recipients of welfare. Do you not understand how statistics work?

Also, this is not your blue/red partisan BS. Either way, I support states rights and low taxes so we can even up that number by lowering taxes and federal social programs.

You are correct but I was very correct. Do you not understand how modifiers work?

I apologize for my creation and then boastful reflection on the geographic distribution of political opinions. It was a reckless moment and I should keep quit about it.

Ann Okafor said:
I’m black and Liberal and it’s conservatives who rely on Fox to tell them what to do.

Yes, and Michelle-in-Utah does everything FOX “News” tells her to do, without question. She also believes that Andy Breitbart is the finest journalist in Amerika.

Ann Okafor said:
I’m a black Houstonian woman, sorry I would NEVER vote Repuke.

Fortunately, as more blacks move into the middle and upper classes, some begin to see who the real slave masters are: Progressive Democrats. Enlightened blacks tell their stories in a new documentary being made about this very subject: “Runaway Slave: Run from Tyranny to Liberty”. You can contribute at http://www.runawayslavemovie.com .

More Liberty said:
He has claimed that Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton promote “a culture of failure.” Is he not able to criticizes fellow African-Americans, even one like Mr Jackson that joked about castrating President Obama because of a comment that Obama made about the black community?

He’s also said that the DNC “has not delivered in terms of protecting the poor, minorities in the country, on basic items, like education for your children, safety in our streets, making sure that you have the opportunity to have an economic foothold on the ladder of upward mobility.”

Do you disagree with that?

“Why do black people always vote Democratic?”
It’s usually asked by a white Republican who wants to claim that the GOP has better ideas about affirmative action and race relations or by an angry white guy on the radio who thinks black people are stupid for supporting a political party that didn’t always respect their vote.

Well, besides Strom Thurmond, David Duke, and Jesse Helms. There is the Southern strategy; this insistence that everything is the fault of the poor, that affirmative action is a way of hiring unqualified people instead of a way of promoting diversity. Even Collin Powell has pointed out that he benefited from affirmative action. You have racist people like Hannity, Rush, and Beck who get paid to say ignorant, fear mongering comments to gullible old people. Then there is this insistence that abortion is the greatest evil we need to fight against when we have children living in unspeakable circumstances. However, the typical Republican argument is they just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when half of them did not even get the boots.
Like someone said before, I only support Democrats because they give out free shit. It is ignorant comments like that from white conservatives about blacks and the welfare system is what turns blacks off about Republicans.

What have Republicans done for blacks lately besides call Obama Hitler? Oh, my governor Rick Perry wants to cut funding for community colleges — where most black college students attend. Texas is not globally competitive. The state faces a downward spiral in both quality of life and economic competitiveness if it fails to educate more of its growing population (both youth and adults) to higher levels of attainment, knowledge and skills.

Democrats are not prefect, just look at DADT and War on Drugs, but they have a better record when it comes to fighting for blacks and other minorities. The Democratic Party has more women and blacks in office.

bamman said:
Fortunately, as more blacks move into the middle and upper classes, some begin to see who the real slave masters are: Progressive Democrats. Enlightened blacks tell their stories in a new documentary being made about this very subject: “Runaway Slave: Run from Tyranny to Liberty”. You can contribute at http://www.runawayslavemovie.com .

My objection to that is that it paints a picture of people wanting people on welfare to stay that way. I don’t think that’s the case.

Ann Okafor said:
This is one of those “gotcha” moments that Republicans like to use against liberals and Democrats. However, this only makes Republicans look worse.

First off, FDR, a Democrat, took the liberalism of TR, a Republican, and applied it more broadly and more aggressively, eventually claiming the term as his own and transforming not only the presidency but also the entire American government and the society outside Washington.

The Civil Rights vote of 1964:
The original House version:
Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7%–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%–15%)

The Senate version:
Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5%–95%)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0%–100%)
Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%–2%)
Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%–16%)

As you can see, the Northern Democrats voted overwhelming for Civil Rights, against the wishes of most white southerners. President Johnson realized that supporting this bill would risk losing the South’s overwhelming support of the Democratic Party. President Johnson, however, went on to win the 1964 election by one of the biggest landslides in American history. The South, which had started to vote increasingly Republican beginning in the 1930s, continued that trend and became majority Republican in the 1990s. At that point, many white Southern Democrats became Republicans and many Northern Republicans became Democrats.

There is a bigger “gotcha” that you missed. That’s okay, most liberals miss it too. And that gotcha is how the Democratic Party was being taken over by Modern Liberals/Progressives. There used to be many conservative Democrats, but they were run out starting in the late 50′s and 60′s. That’s why the Democratic Party is a single color when it comes to ideas: Liberal. There is no diversity of thought.

The Democratic Party is exactly the opposite of Martin Luther King’s visions. Dr. King wanted a culture where skin color and ethnicity didn’t matter, only the content of one’s character.

But our goofy Modern Liberals/Democrats profile everyone info groups. That’s why we have all of the hyphenated designations. Guess when this bs started? Yep, the 60′s.

The Modern Liberals/Progressives realized that by keeping people divided, they could control them. At the ’68 and ’72 Democratic Conventions, they used the term “Special Interests” to describe all of the different profiled groups.

And guess who leads each group? A Modern Liberal/Progressive. And these people are schooled in Alinsky tactics so they keep the herds in line with liberal controls and thinking. Anytime someone speaks up or tries to succed, they are attacked by the Left and called names.

Once you understand what the liberals did (and are doing), you can see that it’s the liberals who are the biggest racists.

And what did uber-Liberal Ruth Bader Ginsberg say two years ago about Roe v Wade: Answer: “Frankly, I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”?

Racism is from the Left. Look at how the liberals have treated the American Indians, too. It’s the Liberals who dreamed up turning them into dependents. The biggest racists ARE liberals.

Wake up!

Oh, one more thing. Think about the effects of the changes brought on by Liberal policies and programs in the 60′s.

As Prof Walter Williams said in http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=4840:

“In 1940, poverty among black families was 87 percent and fell to 47 percent by 1960. Would someone tell me what anti-poverty program or civil-rights legislation accounted for this economic advance that exceeded any other 20-year interval?”

“Dr. Thomas Sowell’s research points out that in various skilled trades, the incomes of blacks relative to whites more than doubled between 1936 and 1959. What’s more, the rise of blacks in professional and other high-level occupations was greater during the five years preceding the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than the five years afterward.”

“In 1940, 86 percent of black children were born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate among blacks was about 15 percent. Today, 31 percent of black children are born inside marriage, and the illegitimacy rate hovers around 70 percent.”

“In the mid-1960s, Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan sounded the alarm for the breakdown in the black family in his book ‘The Negro Family: The Case for National Action.’ At that time, black illegitimacy was 26 percent. Moynihan said, “[A]t the heart of the deterioration of the fabric of the Negro society is the deterioration of the Negro family.” He added, ‘The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States.”

“Moynihan’s observations were greeted with charges of racism and blaming the victim.”

So the problems are caused by liberals. It’s not the racism that most people think or have been told, it’s racism from liberals.

More Liberty said:
I know this whole point goes against the liberal’s talking points but there are a very sizable number of African-Americans that are running as the GOP candidate for Congress. All the candidates below are African-American and running as Republicans.

You seem to know quite a bit about African Americans.
How many black friends do you have?

Alz said:
The Democratic Party is exactly the opposite of Martin Luther King’s visions. Dr. King wanted a culture where skin color and ethnicity didn’t matter, only the content of one’s character.

Sure that was the ultimate goal but King also knew we were knew we were generations away from achieving that. The fact is MLK supported reparations because of the amazing disparity between races in opportunity. His main thrust I believe was in education because he believed that through education the nation as a whole would benefit while African Americans received something for the decades of moral crimes committed against them.

Even today , decades later there is a huge disparity in school systems that we can and should do something about.

Alz said:
“In the mid-1960s, Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan sounded the alarm for the breakdown in the black family in his book ‘The Negro Family: The Case for National Action.’ At that time, black illegitimacy was 26 percent. Moynihan said, “[A]t the heart of the deterioration of the fabric of the Negro society is the deterioration of the Negro family.” He added, ‘The steady expansion of welfare programs can be taken as a measure of the steady disintegration of the Negro family structure over the past generation in the United States.”

“Moynihan’s observations were greeted with charges of racism and blaming the victim.”

So the problems are caused by liberals. It’s not the racism that most people think or have been told, it’s racism from liberals.

You’re quoting one person’s opinion you know not a scientific study. I think it’s true that too much, and to easy welfare can be detrimental to motivation. That said, it’s not some evil plot by progressives. I know you’re sincere about your theories about evil progressives but you tend to deny some significant history.

timzank said:
you live and hang with racists?

That doesn’t even make any sense. If you’re insulted by something that’s racially insensitive, that makes you the racist? So if you walk up to my brother in law and call him the n-word, then he rocks you in the face, he’s the racist?

Tea bagger reasoning, I guess.

GlennBeckReview said:
“Blacks and Latinos belong in the Republican Party like cats belong in water. (Southern strategy is still being played out)”

More the Sock Puppet Liberty says:
“Wow – You are a true bigot. There is nothing like white liberals trying to tell minorities where they should and shouldn’t go.”

Actually, I was paraphrasing Stokely Carmichael, who argued that blacks belong in the Republican Party like cats belong in the oven. I know you love to misread and misinterpret words for others, like Beck does, but I was NOT telling anyone where to do. I will tell you to go to hell, but I was actually pointing out what Carmichael was saying. Any Latino listening to Angle or her ads already knows this. She had a Latino on her staff who quit because of her racist ads. It’s pretty clear; blacks and Latinos belong in the Republican Party like cats belong in the oven.

Am I telling them where to go? No. Am I saying that cats don’t belong in the oven? Yes. Is that too fine of a line for a tea party plebe to understand, Mr. More Sock-Puppet Liberty? I’ll spell out the difference between analogies and orders if I need to.

More Liberty said:
I know this whole point goes against the liberal’s talking points but there are a very sizable number of African-Americans that are running as the GOP candidate for Congress. All the candidates below are African-American and running as Republicans. The US Senate:Marion ThorpeFlorida Milton GordonLouisiana Michael WilliamsTexas US House of Representatives: Les PhillipAlabama – 5 Princella SmithArkansas – 1 Vernon ParkerArizona – 3 Virginia FullerCalifornia – 7 Star ParkerCalifornia – 37 Chriystopher SmithCalifornia – 39 Mason WeaverCalifornia – 53 Ryan FrazierColorado – 7 Chris NwasikeFlorida – 3 Eddie AdamsFlorida – 11 Allen WestFlorida – 22 Deon LongFlorida – 24 Cory RuthGeorgia – 4 Deborah HoneycuttGeorgia – 13 Rupert ParchmentGeorgia – 13 Isaac HayesIllinois – 2 Marvin ScottIndiana – 7 Robert BroadusMaryland – 4 Charles LollarMaryland – 5 Bill HardimanMichigan – 3 Angela McGlowanMississippi – 1 Bill MarcyMississippi – 2 Martin BakerMissouri – 1 Michael FaulknerNew York – 15 Janice VolkNew York – 29 Jerry GrimesNorth Carolina – 1 Lou HuddlestonNorth Carolina – 8 Bill RandallNorth Carolina – 13 Tim ScottSouth Carolina – 1 Jean Howard HillTennessee – 3 Charlotte BergmannTennessee – 9 William HurdTexas – 23 Stephen BrodenTexas – 30 Chuck SmithVirginia – 3 David CastilloWashington – 3

Impressive. I guess you can go through the list and eliminate those who lost their primaries like Angela McGlowan, but I won’t even quibble with that. I just want to remind you of ANOTHER fact about Black Republicans, echoing Ann Okafor (who’s doing an AMAZING job in here!)

0 = The number of Black Republicans in Congress on January 20, 2009, the day President Barack Obama was inaugurated.

Where were all of these people two years ago?

atreyue said:
Like I said earlier, that statement she made is just propaganda that fails to stand up to even the most cursory investigation.

What part of “many” Southern Democrats didn’t you understand? Did she write ALL? I don’t think so.

Ann Okafor said:
No just look at all past things Juan Williams have said about the black community. He believes its OK for whites to discriminate against blacks. I doubt he has many black friends.

You see how this works, Ann? Juan Williams is on the Fox News payroll, so my guess is that many White Conservatives feel he’s been “screened.”

Ann Okafor said:
“Why do black people always vote Democratic?”It’s usually asked by a white Republican who wants to claim that the GOP has better ideas about affirmative action and race relations or by an angry white guy on the radio who thinks black people are stupid for supporting a political party that didn’t always respect their vote. Well, besides Strom Thurmond, David Duke, and Jesse Helms. There is the Southern strategy; this insistence that everything is the fault of the poor, that affirmative action is a way of hiring unqualified people instead of a way of promoting diversity. Even Collin Powell has pointed out that he benefited from affirmative action. You have racist people like Hannity, Rush, and Beck who get paid to say ignorant, fear mongering comments to gullible old people. Then there is this insistence that abortion is the greatest evil we need to fight against when we have children living in unspeakable circumstances. However, the typical Republican argument is they just need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps when half of them did not even get the boots.Like someone said before, I only support Democrats because they give out free shit. It is ignorant comments like that from white conservatives about blacks and the welfare system is what turns blacks off about Republicans. What have Republicans done for blacks lately besides call Obama Hitler? Oh, my governor Rick Perry wants to cut funding for community colleges — where most black college students attend. Texas is not globally competitive. The state faces a downward spiral in both quality of life and economic competitiveness if it fails to educate more of its growing population (both youth and adults) to higher levels of attainment, knowledge and skills. Democrats are not prefect, just look at DADT and War on Drugs, but they have a better record when it comes to fighting for blacks and other minorities. The Democratic Party has more women and blacks in office.

Sister, you need to come post on Mediaite MORE. Some of these conservatives in here live on a different PLANET as far as some of these issues go. As to your comment…if I was as much of a conspiratorial brother as the right wingers in here accuse me of being, I’d say that Rick Perry, and the general position that that conservatives take was part of a LARGER SCHEME.

Look at the concepts:
1) Greater concentration of wealth into a smaller (overwhelmingly White) slice of the population.
2) Destruction of the domestic manufacturing base via outsourcing.
3) The neutering of labor unions and collective bargaining.
4) War on public education and spiralling higher education costs.
5) Demands for Smaller Government.

What does that add up to? Eventually, at the pace we’re at, an aristocracy, where the only LIVING WAGE jobs are those require college degrees rendered unaffordable (too expensive) or unobtainable (shoddy public education system) to wide pockets of the population, PARTICULARLY those in minority communities, which were hyper-segregated by DESIGN.

Yup, if I were a cynnic….

Alz said:
There is a bigger “gotcha” that you missed. That’s okay, most liberals miss it too. And that gotcha is how the Democratic Party was being taken over by Modern Liberals/Progressives. There used to be many conservative Democrats, but they were run out starting in the late 50’s and 60’s. That’s why the Democratic Party is a single color when it comes to ideas: Liberal. There is no diversity of thought. The Democratic Party is exactly the opposite of Martin Luther King’s visions. Dr. King wanted a culture where skin color and ethnicity didn’t matter, only the content of one’s character. But our goofy Modern Liberals/Democrats profile everyone info groups. That’s why we have all of the hyphenated designations. Guess when this bs started? Yep, the 60’s. The Modern Liberals/Progressives realized that by keeping people divided, they could control them. At the ‘68 and ‘72 Democratic Conventions, they used the term “Special Interests” to describe all of the different profiled groups. And guess who leads each group? A Modern Liberal/Progressive. And these people are schooled in Alinsky tactics so they keep the herds in line with liberal controls and thinking. Anytime someone speaks up or tries to succed, they are attacked by the Left and called names. Once you understand what the liberals did (and are doing), you can see that it’s the liberals who are the biggest racists. And what did uber-Liberal Ruth Bader Ginsberg say two years ago about Roe v Wade: Answer: “Frankly, I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of.”? Racism is from the Left. Look at how the liberals have treated the American Indians, too. It’s the Liberals who dreamed up turning them into dependents. The biggest racists ARE liberals. Wake up!

What are you TALKING about?
Point by point.

You ever heard of the term “Blue Dog” Democrat? If Democrats in Congress were all lock step “liberal”, there’d be single payer universal health care, no troops in Afghanistan, Don’t Ask-Don’t Tell instantly repealed, Cap and Trade, Comprehensive Immigration Reform, the Fairness Doctrine re-applied and Dick Cheney serving a War Crimes jail sentence. Obviously, NONE of those things happened, so what’s you excuse?

What? Martin Luther King, an anti-war, pro-union, civil rights activist wasn’t a “liberal”, now? Hello? Do you understand how moronic that sounds? What? King’s dream was embraced by White Conservatives like J. Edgar Hoover, Bull Connor and George Wallace at the TIME?

This is the EXACT quote from Justice Ginsberg:

“Ginsburg: Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae. In 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly, I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them. But when the court decided McRae, the case came out the other way. And then I realized that my perception of it had been altogether wrong.”

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2009/07/17/why-emily-bazelon-didnt-follow-up-on-ginsburgs-offensive-abort/

Can that statement be construed to somehow to lead the reader to believe that Ginsburg is a “eugenicist?” Perhaps if you reach, and leave out her last sentence.

CosmosDan said:
You’re quoting one person’s opinion you know not a scientific study. I think it’s true that too much, and to easy welfare can be detrimental to motivation. That said, it’s not some evil plot by progressives. I know you’re sincere about your theories about evil progressives but you tend to deny some significant history.

The problem with the Conservative anti-welfare argument is that it ultimately ends up as eugenicist. You will never hear or see Conservatives cite Appalachians in their welfare homilies, or discuss how families of active service members are on food stamps in record numbers. It doesn’t help their argument to show poor Whites, because the implicit “us vs. them” narrative isn’t as effective. That’s why Reagan and his handlers chose the “welfare queen” image.
But what is “welfare?” It is Aid For Financially Dependent Children. If the two step argument is “Blacks are having too many children out of wedlock” and “Welfare is ruining the Black family”…then what are the logical answers?
1) Reduce the number of Black babies being born out of wedlock
2) Cut the aid to the Black babies already here

Sound familiar?

Seeing November From My Window said:
Why don’t these liberals think that African-Americans have the ability to make it on their own, without help from bloated government entity. Well because they know if they start telling them they can make it on their, they lose a ton of their power.

Right, because history paints such a rosy and inspirational picture of how well African-Americans have been treated in this country.

–Cobra

More Liberty said:
LOL…are you serious? healthcare cost are on the rise, even after we all were promised lower healthcare costs. http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/20101018/NEWS05/101019901/boeing-employees-to-see-health-care-costs-rise-due-to-new-law http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2010/06/14/study-health-care-costs-to-rise-9-in-2011-higher-deductibles-ahead/ http://money.cnn.com/2010/06/14/news/economy/health_care_2011/index.htm Healthcare costs are rising. I’m sorry you believed everything these politicians told you.

Oh, right…I suppose that the Health costs rising annually BEFORE Obama even took office is perfectly fine and acceptable to you.

“Health care costs have been rising for several years. Expenditures in the United States on health care surpassed $2.3 trillion in 2008, more than three times the $714 billion spent in 1990, and over eight times the $253 billion spent in 1980. Stemming this growth has become a major policy priority, as the government, employers, and consumers increasingly struggle to keep up with health care costs. [1]
In 2008, U.S. health care spending was about $7,681 per resident and accounted for 16.2% of the nation’s Gross Domestic Product (GDP); this is among the highest of all industrialized countries. Total health care expenditures grew at an annual rate of 4.4 percent in 2008, a slower rate than recent years, yet still outpacing inflation and the growth in national income. Absent reform, there is general agreement that health costs are likely to continue to rise in the foreseeable future. “

http://www.kaiseredu.org/Issue-Modules/US-Health-Care-Costs/Background-Brief.aspx

—Cobra

 Just keep drinking that kool-aid some dude.