Dems are outraged that states want voters to show a photo ID to vote.

When unions hold elections, voters must show a voter ID. You need one to fly, buy alcohol, a gun, to cash a check.

A photo ID does not equal voter suppression.

“The result is an assault on voters’ rights unseen since the Jim Crow era,”  LOL lines like this make you a joke Tommy.

The Bush admininstration Justice Department engaged in a 5-year voter fraud investigation, and of the 300 million votes they reviewed, they achieved a whopping 86 convictions - for a “fraud” rate of some .000004%.  Of course, many of those 86 convictions were for registration mistakes and nothing even approaching voter fraud.  For this, Republicans across the country seek to disenfranchise some 5 million eligible voters.   

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all

For a party with a “democracy” agenda, they sure do dislike democracy.

I am so very sorry, but some 25% of African Americans do not have government ID, along with some 20%+ of senior citizens. 

When you are seeking to disenfranchise some 5 million voters in order to combat a voter “fraud” rate of .00004% (which is precisely what the Bush administration found at the conclusion of its 5-year investigation into voter fraud), you obviously have no goal other than suppressing the vote.  Five million votes could easily sway an election; the 86 cases of “fraud” (actually more often registration mistakes than any attempt to vote fraudulently) that the Bush administration found spanned over a 5-year period could never.

All you have to do is look at Texas, where a state-issued gun license suffices but a state-issued student ID does not.  Who do gun owners as a demographic tend to support? Republicans. Who do students as a demographic tend to support? Democrats.

Well that is precisely what the very people who fought and defeated Jim Crow, who understood it intimately, believe, so obviously its not that far off the mark.

You need a id to buy cigarettes, alcohol, fly. Why not one to prove who you are before you vote? Is that really too much to ask, and to compare that to Jim Crow laws really shows a complete lack of history.

Oh Allah, save us from these voter id laws!!!

Student ID doesn’t prove place of residence, gun licenses do. Voter ID laws have already been upheld, 6-3 by SCOTUS.

Where do you get your stats on who doesn’t have ID?

For a party that claims to want clean elections, you sure don’t seem to like them. How much fraud is OK with you?

So when the board ‘flags’ Hitler but still counts it we are supposed to feel warm and fuzzy that wide spread ACORN voter registration fraud was ‘flagged’? Great, I’m sure all those dead and fictional people only falsely registered for fun.

You can’t watch an R rated movie or buy cigarettes without ID but voting out of the blue is fine to liberals (except those military type votes).

Democrats are corrupt.

The Bush Administration buried any accounts of wrongdoing by Mexican nationals. Voter ID fraud is huge in California. I lived there when Loretta Sanchez was voted into Congress. Large numbers of illegal aliens voted for her. 

It’s the fact that voting is the most basic right anyone can have in a democracy, and we know that some 5 million eligible voters do not have the documents required under these laws.  Twenty-five percent of African Americans don’t have a government-issued ID; over 20% of senior citizens don’t. 

How exactly do you propose someone who can’t drive get to the BMV (which are being shut down left and right for budgetary reasons); same goes for someone working two full-time jobs.  How do you propose an 86-year-old who was born at home find her nonexistent but required birth certificate?  Do you have any idea how expensive and time-consuming it is to petitition a court to issue something like that??

 
Pray tell, why does a state-issed gun license in the state of Texas suffice, but a state-issued student ID does not?  Could it possibly have something to do with how those two groups tend to vote?

When you propose to disenfranchise 5 million voters – overwhelmingly minority and the poor – in order to combat a voter “fraud” rate of .00004% (which is the best the Bush administration could do after dedicating 5 years to investigating more than 300 million votes cast), the only thing that shows a complete lack of historical competence (which is what I assume you meant by a “complete lack of history”) is the failure to connect the quite obvious dots.

Texas gives student IDs to EVERYONE including n

Surely you’re kidding.  You honestly don’t think that living in one place for a minimum of nine months out of a year establishes residency?

http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2008/05/id_divide.html

The only widespread voter ‘fraud’ in Acorn was in the mind of conservatives scared that the people might find their voice and actually vote.   I love the logic that says to get rid of a half dozen voter frauds (all that were ever found), millions of people must be disenfranchised.

Really?  You are honestly defending disenfranchising 5 MILLION voters to combat a “fraud” rate of .00004%, when even many of those included as “fraud” were merely registration mistakes?

The point is that no one can argue that an average of 17.2 “fraudulent” votes per year – again, assuming every one of those 86 cases was a case of actual voter fraud, which they weren’t - out of some 60,000,000 cast per year, is anything BUT a clean election. 

Conservatives are INVENTING a problem in order to impose their favored “solution.”

Could the interns at Mediaite please explain to me how having a valid I.D. to vote goes against individual liberties?  You do realize everyone needs one to drive a car?  If a person is not a driver, a non-driver’s license I.D. can be purchased for around $20 from your local DMV?

Your question is a red herring.   It’s not a matter of how much fraud is acceptable.  It’s a matter of the cost to our democracy to reduce that .000004% of fraud to a lower number.    And that cost seems to be the disenfranchisement of 5 million people seems rather excessive.

It also begs the question of whether this is really about voter fraud, or that’s just a smoke screen to bring back the poll tax.

Sources please, or is this just a fiction based on someone who thinks democracy only works when their candidate gets elected?

Good God, READ. 

The Bush administration devoted 5 YEARS to investigating alleged voter fraud.  What did they find?  Out of some 300 MILLION votes cast, a total of 86 cases of “fraud,” with many of those being registration mistakes and nothing approaching an attempt to vote fraudulently.  That comes out to something along the lines of a whopping .00004% of all votes cast. 

For this - LESS THAN ONE TEN THOUSANDTH of a percentage – conservatives seek to disenfranchise 5 million voters. 

What a bunch of crap. So they can’t make it to a DMV because they don’t drive, but they have no trouble making it to a polling place? BS. If they don’t have IDs, how do they do anything — valid IDs are practically a requirement to function in today’s society. How about we institute a push to get these people ids? Instead of busing folks into polling places for same-day registration, you could bus them to a DMV to get their ID. With motor-voter laws in many places they can do both at the same time. They get to vote and we can work to maintain the integrity of the voting process.

Are you really using a link to americanprogress? WOW!! Amazing when people link over the top biased website to back up their views. Always funny.

Use your brain.  The only reason IDs are even being promoted is to verify the identity of the ELIGIBLE voter.  In NO WAY does the ID itself confer eligibility to vote.

And no, jackass, it is “25% of VOTING AGE African-Americans.”  And while seniors may tend to vote Republican, poor seniors do not, and it is poor seniors who are much more likely to lack a government id.

“If a person is not a driver, a non-driver’s license I.D. can be purchased for around $20 from your local DMV?”

A poll tax by any other name…

The study was performed by the Brennan Center, jackass.  The Center for American Progress merely covered it.

Once again you show what a moron you are. Should we shut down air travel because a certain percentage of the flying public dies each year? How much dying in OK with you? My 87 year old mother who has the same residence for 4 years can not vote because she moved to another state and is unable to go to a license bureau because of her heath to get an ID. Now she can’t vote, lame brain. Should she be disenfranchised? You are the one sir who wants rigged elections. You are the one who is supporting restricting the rights of citizens to vote. You are Mr. Jim Crow of the 21st century. You and all of your howling cry baby cronies on here trying to support a right winged totalitarian platform they favors the rich and the white people of this country. You make me ill. WTF up.

What if all the facts support that Voter ID leads to voter suppression?

those numbers are bogus.  democRATS depend on the dead and the fake to win elections.  states do not charge citizens to get an ID.  if you aren’t capable of getting a free ID from your state, how can you vote, cash a check, buy alcohol/cigs, board a flight, rent a car, get a job, donate blood, etc.  seems to me that you are the disenfranchised voter because your party can’t win without cheating…

Conservatives merely want everyone who’s legally entitled to vote to prove it first. Dems want anyone who votes for Dems to vote. There’s ZERO reason for someone here legally but without an ID to continue to go without one — and if you truly cared about these people you’d help them out by helping them get a valid ID so they could more fully participate in ALL of society — and not just pull a lever for a re-distributionist one day every two years.

Buddha, save us from morons like South Park Conservative.

I’m sorry that you find reality to be BS, but these are simply facts. 

Again, how exactly does the 86-year-old who was born at home find her nonexistent but required birth certificate? 

sorry liberal, figure out another way to steal an election

You are amazing! I hope I can be like yo some day. Scared, insecure, afraid, paranoid, repulsed by the thought of someone other than rich white people running this country. Voter fraud is a trumped up charge that has been proven to be so miniscule it is beyond the scope of logical thinking why these laws are needed. Where the true voter fraud problem lies is with the companies that build the voting machines. We need more stringent laws overseeing these companies then trying to prohibit the citizenry of this country from voting. But for you in particular, I would love to see a law passed that keeps you from voting. 

“We will flag them, but we will not strike them without challenge,”
Buerger said after being asked whether Mickey Mouse’s signature would be
counted. He noted that in previous recall petitions, Adolf Hitler’s
name was struck because the address given was in Germany, not because of
the name itself.

So, Hitler was tried in the past but the only reason for striking was the listing of Germany as the address. If a phony address in Wisconsin was used it would have been allowed? Yikes!

Then again, illegal aliens, felons, cartoon characters and the dead are what the Democrat party would call their base.

This is simple, Republicans want anyone who is allowed to vote, Dems was everyone, whether they are legally able to or not to vote. 

Case in point:

New Haven Mayor John DeStefano plans to ask the state Legislature to allow illegal immigrants who live in the city to be able vote in municipal elections.
DeStefano said on Tuesday that the proposal would build a more engaged community and follows the lead of other cities, the New Haven Independent reports.
The Independent reports that New Haven has about 10,000  non-citizen immigrants.

Lilly,
 Link to the percentages claim? I’ll wait here… holding my breath. You’ll recognize me because I’ll be the one turning blue.

My Mom, who is 86 and has never driven a car and therefore does not have a drivers license, still has a state ID. 

Great write-up, Tommy Boy. Make sure you bring your Legal Photo Identification
with you when you go anyplace in the entirety of America that requires ID be provided by law or by policy. Like- any hospital and attempt to use your health insurance card, apply for any citizenship or immigration services, drive any motorized vehicle on public roadways, apply for a job, open a bank account, pay for any purchase with a check at any reputable store, apply for any and all Social Services, cash a social services ‘public assistance’ check, cash a paycheck, buy a firearm, buy tobacco, buy alcoholic beverage(s), buy ESRB rated M and AO video games, when you take a flight or an ocean cruise, take any State or Federal Certification exam of any kind, etc etc etc ad nauseam.

The list goes on and on and on but yet, somehow, these so-called ‘millions’ of Adult people that have no form of legally acceptable personal identification of any kind who will supposedly become ‘disenfranchised’ by requiring legal photo identification to vote still manage to partake in any and/or all of that very brief list of things where legal photo identification is demanded and/or required by law. GTFO.

This article’s author, Tommy Christopher, is a tool. And here is the final proof.

Here’s video from the MacIver Institute of the board staff explaining its signature screening process. Straight from the horses mouth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tELtKMPKAq4

End of story.

Josh,
 Lilly is using the equivalent of Wikipedia to support Wikipedia; no wonder the Brennen Center was covered by American Progress because they are cut from the same cloth, both liberal operations.

Lilly,
 You just blew it! Getting nasty and calling names when YOU screw up? Your original post was incomplete and you say Garden is a jackass. Wait! Isn’t that the symbol of the dem’s?

Quit disenfranchising my vote, you miserable Democrat cretins.  You all know that a black person has ID or they can’t buy cigs, booze, cash checks, etc.  Or what are you really saying about black people?  That they are too lazy to get an ID?  You creepy racists. Black people are just as ambitious and able to get out and get what they need as I am.  I’m poor, but not black.  I have to be responsible for myself.  Why not them?  If the Gov. is going to supply the ID free and help them to obtain the ID, then what are you talking about,  The left wing is racist!!!!!!!!  This post is for illumianiantists

In Wisconsin, anyone can get an ID (non-driving ID) for FREE at any DMV
… they do have to ask for it. I’m sure if  gramma doesn’t drive
that there is a perfectly willing neighbor to help out.  We all know she
gets to church each week.

Same goes for the 25% of Voting Age AA, get on a bus and go get an ID …

You would love to see a law preventing people you don’t like from voting?

Do you not understand how that disqualifies you from hurling your insults (“scared, insecure, paranoid”) on others?

No – you probably don’t.  And it sickens me that idiots like you get the same vote that I do.  But I would not do anything to take the vote away from you, or anyone else who is legally enfranchised.

Jim Crow laws were enacted, maintained and fought for by white Democrats in the south. Yeah, DEMOCRATS. Look it up.

Sorry about that but the last post was for illuminatis

“The result is an assault on voters’ rights unseen since the Jim Crow era, one which disproportionately targets Democratic constituencies, and a conservative electorate that has abandoned the principle of individual liberty in favor of cheap electoral gains.”

BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAAHAAHAHHAHAAHAHA.

Dude, you are the Bill Walton of far-left political writing.  But, at least he has a shred of credibility.  You’ve been busy flushing yours down the crapper the last 8-12 months or so.  You really did used to write some fairly thoughtful stuff that was sometimes interesting although I always disagreed.  Now, you’re just a bomb-thrower. 

Is that why so many Acorn workers went to jail?  Just another example of vote fraud.   Civil war coming.  Everybody duck.

Ok, time to take your meds, you’re repeating your lame statistics that have already been discredited. Gee, once #OWS got shut down you have nothing to do?

You’re yelling again.

What an idiot… ever hear of the word irony. It is a little writing device one uses to make people see the lunacy of their position by putting them into the same position that they are railing about.

If she can’t make it to the DMV how’s she getting to the polls? (crickets)

They are proud of it as well.

” The right way to say that is “Signatures of names like Mickey Mouse and Adolf Hitler will be valid if submitted on recall petitions of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker as long as they are properly dated, a government board indicated Tuesday.””
 
You’re gonna hurt yourself bending over that far backward.   Face it, Tommy.  Once again, in your effort to defend all things liberal & label conservatives racist, you got the facts wrong.  Seems to happen a lot with you. 

Not having ID is not an excuse. You can obtain government ID in most states with ease, whether you drive or not. That is the flimsiest argument I’ve heard from anyone against voter ID laws. If that’s all you have, you better start searching the internet for some better articles.

What a liar….ever hear about a river in Egypt?

You did not use a writing device – you insult people who disagree with you, without compunction (evident from your user name).

Like many “progressives”, you have no tolerance for others who disagree with you.  Your hate is “justified”.

Hey, Tommy, is there nothing you won’t do to justify crooked acts when done by Liberals?

Are you really saying that if Adolf Hitler signed the recall petition and the address is correct and it was signed within the correct dates, then it’s perfectly correct to count it?  Really?  How about if it was Jesus Christ, or Kal-El?  Would Bugs Bunny’s signature be OK too?

“The right way to say that is “Signatures of names like Mickey Mouse and Adolf Hitler will be valid if submitted on recall petitions of Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker as long as they are properly dated, a government board indicated Tuesday.” ”

Uh huh… and that should give me confidence in the system because…. why exactly???

Same age and same situation for my mom in Indiana. Democrats like to round up the homeless and get them to vote for a free lunch.

Voting can be done absentee, and polling places are in neighborhoods. BMVs aren’t necessarily and the same states requiring these IDs are also closing BMVs.

“They get to vote and we can work to maintain the integrity of the voting process.”

You really don’t have a grasp of simple math or facts, do you? There is no widespread voted fraud.

No John, I’m just someone that will not take the stupidity, bigotry and hate that the right wing and its allies – christian extremists, Tea Bagging Anti government nut jobs, confused poor people who think the Republican party is looking out for their well being, liars and distorters of the truth like FOX news and not call them out on it. The right wing doesn’t care if people have health insurance and die. They don’t care if people lose their homes. They don’t care that their is such a gulf between rich and poor that we are turning in to Mexico. So John, just so I can stay consistent for you go F yourself.

You are a complete liar. You have zero facts to back up your paranoid delusions.

“The Bush Administration buried any accounts of wrongdoing by Mexican nationals.”
Is the stupidest thing I have read on the internet today.

“Twenty-five percent of African Americans don’t have a government-issued ID; over 20% of senior citizens don’t.  ”

Absolute bull.

You are the hater, mein freund.

You want people to share your delusional “vision”, and anyone that disagrees with how to get there is “illogical” and “extreme” in your opinion.

You have a vote.  So do I.  And if my people outnumber yours, then we win, and we will try it our way for a while.  That’s the way it works.  Can you deal with that?

Your liberal lizards in congress are the ones who refuse to submit sensible forward-thinking legislation.  Or even to discuss it, much less approve it.  You all prefer to demagogue your opponents.  Just like your own insulting behavior.  Like spoiled childern.

The same is true in most states.

Okay, someone was asking for links to information about % of people without voter IDs.  I’m sure you will all comb through this research:
http://latinodecisions.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/the-disproportionate-impact-of-stringent-voter-id-laws/
http://brennan.3cdn.net/a5782740e4185414a8_snm6bhfwg.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/f332bdfce2f35e1edd_e3m6bna0u.pdf
http://www.hlpronline.com/Vol3.1/deAlth_HLPR3-1.pdf
http://alt.coxnewsweb.com/shared-blogs/austin/investigative/upload/2009/03/voter_id_will_the_law_suppress_voter_turnout/Ansolabehere2009.pdf
http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/Democracy/VRE/Mycoff%20et%20al.pdf
http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/Democracy/VRE/Hershey.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/883aa3bcc9d7c1cd3d_ubm6vrpzy.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/8f74656f8cf6c6cb57_ygm6y15pa.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/0340ec86d18adb4a18_vqm6bne7f.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/9dfd902a36ac8a7a27_aqm6b0w84.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/52cdaf4251969e2042_vnm6ivu54.pdf
http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/documents/Indiana_voter.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/c267529e2bb704e85d_u0m6ib08s.pdf
http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2007/09/new-analysis-shows-voter-identification-laws-do-not-reduce-turnout
http://brennan.3cdn.net/63836ceea55aa81e4f_hlm6bhkse.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/c0abc827ae56751263_y6m6b9gqy.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/42eca6f8a576d4eb30_q3m6bxck3.pdf
http://electionlawblog.org/archives/GA%20Voter%20ID%20%28Bullock%20&%20Hood%29.pdf
http://www.michiganlawreview.org/assets/pdfs/105/4/overton.pdf
http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=671
http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_50903.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/3386f09ec84f302074_hum6bqnxj.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/9d1efbddb2c45834e0_pom6bx3bk.pdf
http://brennan.3cdn.net/79882846f6d2eb1295_ihm6bav0c.pdf
http://www.brennancenter.org/content/resource/response_to_the_carter_baker_commission
 

No, I didn’t say anything like that. 

It is always nice when the mask slips off you liberals and your inner facism shows. I have zero doubt liberals would attempt to ban me from voting. You guys always attempt to ban what you don’t like, or hate on anyone who doesn’t goose step with you.

If liberals didn’t cheat on voting they could never win. Heck a democrat politician (Davis I believe) even admired voting fraud was rampant. He is a black guy stepping off the plantation so you better send some people to put this uppity black back under democrat rule.

Voter fraud is a wide spread problem. One only has to see which side the incompetant Holder is on to see.

You are a racist. You think black people are too stupid to register for an ID and I think they are smart enough to get a free ID to vote. You disgust me you racist monster.

You lie. Show me the source saying 25% of blacks can’t drive, buy cigarettes, fly, get a library book, get welfare, cash a check, rent a car, etc.

The fact that you believe such an obvious lie shows your level of gullibility.

A Photo ID…You could have used your Student ID to vote for..But not any more. Students must now go to the DMV and ask for the “Special”  ID so they can vote. And when I say they musts ‘ASK’ for that special ID, otherwise they have to pay for that ID,

In some states the new ID cards cost at least $26 ,,,Sorry,for that amount I would call that a poll tax.

Why don’t we just do what they did in Iraq use purple dye.

What are you talking about? What fact do you think I got wrong?

You racist. You think blacks are incapable of getting a free ID and I know they are capable. Liberals are racist monsters.

Back to HuffPo with you Tommy.
The bottom line is that regardless of what name is on the petition if there’s a Wisconsin address the name will be considered valid if not challenged. 
NOTE from the piece “He noted that in previous recall petitions, Adolf Hitler’s name was struck because the address given was in Germany, not because of the name itself.”
This process is rife with fraud … and you know it’s a routine Democrat political practice.   

Source please.

Ahem:
“Twenty-five percent of African-American voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, compared to eight percent of white voting-age citizens.” 

http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf, Page 3

Do tell – What on earth did I screw up?

For the fourth or fifth time:

http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf

You originally claimed that 25% of the American-African population has no ID.

“Citizens Without Proof:  A Survey of Americans’ Possession of Documentary Proof of Citizenship and Photo ID”
http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf

“In 5-Year Effort, Scant Evidence of Voter Fraud”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/washington/12fraud.html?pagewanted=all

Lilly,
 You can’t use a left-wing liberal abd biased ”finding” to back up a left-wing liberal claim…c’mon.

Yes, genius, immediately prior to the GOP adopting the “Southern Strategy” to capture such racists.  One party pursued them, one party left them behind in the dust.

Why are liberals such evil racists? Didn’t the democrat party get their racism out of their system with their Jim Crow laws? Liberal founded the KKK.

A HERO of liberals today was FDR who put Japanese in internment camps.

A HERO of progressives was Wilson who first segregated the military. You must be proud.

Planned Parenthood was founded by a racist who called black children ‘weeds’ and PP has gone on to kill millions of what Progressives consider ‘weeds’.

The last KKK member in our Senste was a Democrat as of two years ago.

Now you monsters think that black people are incapable of getting a free ID to vote.

You people are sick twisted racist monsters.

Scott Walker = Burnt Toast!!

He Gone!!

Vote early and vote often!  :)

Republiklan operative Paul Weyrich:

“Now many of our Christians have what I call the goo-goo syndrome — good
government. They want everybody to vote. I don’t want everybody to
vote. Elections are not won by a majority of people, they never have
been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter
of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the
voting populace goes down.”

Blogs and the liberal, left-wing Brennen Center “findings” are your sources? Is this a skit for SNL? Because that hasn’t been relevent for years either.

Friedfish;

You’re so right.  Citing scholarship from one of the best law schools in the nation - the NYU School of Law, of which the Brennan Center is a part – is *just like* citing Wikipedia. 

Again I ask, what on earth did I screw up?

“Twenty-five percent of African-American voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, compared to eight percent of white voting-age citizens.”

http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf, Page 3

Friedfish, this information comes from one of the best law schools in the nation.

The fact that you have a problem with empiricism is in no way my fault or problem.

see my comment below your second question

Oh yes, let’s do go back to the time when only property-owners could vote. 

Not sure what you’re looking for…

Congratulations to your mom?  She obviously negates the millions of seniors without such documentation?

“empiricism”, like many methods of coming to a conclusion, can be biased towards the conclusion you wish to get to. An admittedly liberal organization claiming one thing or another is hardly the be all, end all. Do you believe in Global Warming and the tooth fairy too? It must be true, right?

Isn’t it obvious, uncleduke?  We simply ignore the facts.

Yes, you sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting “la la la la la I can’t hear you” is quite discrediting.

Not necessarily.  The facts show that there is little to no voter fraud, and that Voter ID will stop many low income, young and much older citizens from voting.  I want this dude to see that the facts are not on his side, regardless of obviousness.

I was off by about 2% on the senior aspect – it’s 18%, or some 6 million, not 20% – but no, dear, it’s not absolute bull:

“Survey results indicate that seniors disproportionately lack photo identification. Eighteen percent of American citizens age 65 and above do not have current government-issued photo ID.9 Using 2005 census estimates, this amounts to more than 6 million senior citizens. . .

According to the survey, African-American citizens also disproportionately lack photo identification. Twenty-five percent of African-American voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, compared to eight percent of white voting-age citizens.10″ Twenty-five percent of African-American voting-age citizens have no current government-issued photo ID, compared to eight percent of white voting-age citizens.10″
http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf

Well, I don’t know, let’s see:  Polling places tend to be in neighborhoods where people, you know, live.  Departments of Motor Vehicles tend to be in commercial neighborhoods, where they don’t.

Perhaps that’s how? 

We should do it like Brazil. Everyone that is a citizen is issued a voter registration card. It’s mandatory that you vote and if you decide not to you lose all your identity. 
Let’s go further and take away all their benefits if they decide not to vote. 
 Do you think Holder will have a problem with that one?  

Are you the smartest person you know? You speak down to everybody that attempts to engage you in a discussion so you must be. The democrat party were the ones that owned the oppression in the south until 1965 and only backed off because of LBJ and his programs, coupled with outrage from the north. Many of these nice folks are still active in the party. This is fun because you can’t make this stuff up!

RaM was portraying his relative as an invalid. The location of the polling place wouldn’t matter if it was next door. Absentee ballot anybody?

Friedfish, do you even TRY to make sense?

Do tell – what kind of “admittedly liberal organization” describes itself, on its own website, as a “non-partisan public policy and law institute”?

http://www.brennancenter.org/pages/about/

I believe we all may be missing the point here. The fact is that if Mr. Mouse is actually signing these petitions he is doing so with an alias. His real name is Steamboat Willie. To allow anyone, especially Mr. Mouse to sign these vital documents with anything other than his real name is a travesty and they should be called out on it. I eagerly await TC’s followup investigative piece.
Thank you, TC, for your important contributions in this area.

No, I’m just smart enough not to utterly ignore basic factual information simply because it does not confirm my already-held beliefs. 

And you’re right.  Democrats are so racist we elected the first black President of the United States.

Too bad absentee voting is another thing being cracked down on across the country.

No, it doesn’t. College students who live in a state only part of the year while attending school, and return home to their permanent domicile during school breaks are considered residents of their home state, not the state in which they attend college. If they abandon their original domicile, and stay in their college state all year, they may be considered residents of their college state. The fact is that a student id does not establish residency in the state in which it is issued, and would not be a proper id for voting purposes.

The only reason Republicans complain of voter fraud is so they can commit election fraud.  Remember, all Republicans are systematically trained to believe precisely the opposite of the truth.

Well done, Tommy.

I think Mr. Mouse (aka Mr. Willie — can’t imagine why he changed from that!), if he’s not formally changed his name, would probably have his signature disallowed.

This doesn’t quite make the grade as a “Travesty.” More of a “Yeah? Huh, So what?” kind of moment, really.

OK.  Let’s take a step back and think.  Seniors and those who receive government assistance have ID.  The population who doesn’t have valid ID are those who are running from a warrant for their arrest and dead beat Dads.  This cry that poor blacks don’t have ID is garbage.  The intent of those wishing to repeal voter ID laws is simply to allow illegals and serial voters to skew elections.

Focus, this is not an article about Bush or a gun licenses much less the state of Texas.  It’s about regressive voter fraud in the state of Wisconsin…. Look simpleton, those African Americans need to get a government ID.  Interesting you only brought up African Americans.  Trying to play the race card here?  BTW, if people are too lazy, dumb, whatever to get a valid ID, they should not be voting and that goes for ALL races not just the black population like you are trying to spin.

Transferring to a state and filing for a valid DL establishes residency. 

Smart lady, everyone who claims, poor me, I cannot get an ID, should follow your mother’s example.

Bingo!  Progressive democrats are terrible in Wisconsin.

Tell us how you can even compare the two?  You mean because one is too lazy to get an ID, that means you think we are in the days of —- Only property owners can vote lolol !!  News flash we are tired of Progressives rounding up dead people to vote.

My mom is 86, lives in Madison and it p!sses her off that people have been allowed to vote without a valid ID.  So save the manipulative Senior sympathy card.

Oh, now the poor card.  No one is buying it.

He’s just playing the race card thats all.

Bingo JB.  My thoughts entirely.

Interesting, folks always have a valid ID when it comes to entitlements yet not for voting?

Oh, now the Christian Card.  WWJS?  He would say, if you are too lazy to get out and get an ID you do not deserve to be a part of any type of decision making when it comes to politics.

Nice play on words.

Whose facts?  Apparently, you have never been to Madison, Wisconsin sir.

No that statement is a joke, Josh is right.

Do you want to explain to everyone what the hell you’re talking about?  This whole article is about how legit the Walker recall is.

Problem is you actually believe that rhetoric you are posting.

Nice denial of reality.

How do they cash in their entitlements without a valid ID? They can’t.  Anyone who fights for ‘no ID showing at the polls’ is up to no good and definitely has a regressive agenda up their sleeves.

Regressives think normal thinking people are so gullible !

Excellent comments.

Why all of the insults?  Because we think you need to take responsibility for yourself?  

He’s also lying again.

Is that why all of the state law suits over Acorn voter fraud?

The Brennan Center Report indicates that 25% of voting-age African-Americans do not have a government-issued ID.  It did not make any claims that they lacked, in any way, access to such an ID.  The access claims were on page one and did not make any claims about racial or ethnic disparities in access.  The lack of government ID for African-Americans and Senior Citizens is, according to the data in the study, the fault of the individual African-American or Senior Citizen for not acquiring one.
If you’re going to use survey data, learn to read it properly.

Speaking for Jesus, eh?  Did you get that from the sermon on the mount, or did it come right out of your butt?

Voter fraud is a complete myth, I legally changed my name to Mickey Mouse after the ’08 election.  I don’t know this Hitler person, he’s not in my district.

Scott Walker should be kicked out of office for several reasons.  He’s a darling of the Koch brothers. Top officials of ALEC.( American Legislative Exchange Council).  Sounds quite innocent. Right as in right wing.    ALEC claims to be impartial.  Truth is they are heavily Republican.  That isn’t necessarily a fault.  What is a fault is claiming to be something they are not. ALEC  I repeat is not impartial.  Neither are they objective.  They voted for Citizens United.  The US Supreme Court ruling was corporations were persons.  The danger in this with their huge sums of money corporations can use their clout to influence elections.  Scott Walker is a friend to ALEC and vice versa. The Gov. of WI pushed through Act2, an ALEC bill. It basically limits corporation from negligence from  serious harm due to the actions of the corporation. Ergo permitting such business to manufacture defective and even dangerous products with little or no recourse from the public.  Even if the firm was well aware the item was harmful.  There is of course Walker’s effort to dismantle unions even public service ones.
One last thing he wants voters to require photo IDs.  One permitted one is  a driver’s license. Yet he closed down around a dozen DMV sites.  Therefore making it harder for many WI citizens to  get a driver’s license.  IE no public transportation or more money spent on gas. In short he’s in the arms for big business and not for the citizens of his state.

hahahahahahaha…u lying mofo…..its wasnt liberals that founded the KKK….it was democrates who at that time in history was the conservative party…TODAYS REPUBLICAN PARTY….the more you deny the truth the more it becomes evident that YOU SIR may be a stupid ass rightwing republican modern day Klansman yourself…STOP LYING……..freaking hobbits…this is why john mccain hates assholes like u

I know you realize it’s pointless to attempt to reason with them, so why bother.  They’re right-wing posters/bloggers who watch Fox and think it really is fair and balanced.  And if we can be honest, they’re comprehension skills have never been that strong.

Scott Walker is an ordinary crock paid by the Koch brothers and in their service.

Having said that nobody can ignore that the system relies on two basic elements. Money and discouraging voters from exercising the right to vote.

I absolutely agree with Eric Holder:

“Today, the single biggest barrier to voting in this
country is our antiquated registration system. According to the Census
Bureau, of the 75 million adult citizens who failed to vote in
the last presidential election, 60 million of them were not registered
and, therefore, not eligible to cast a ballot.
All eligible citizens can and should be automatically registered to
vote. The ability to vote is a right — it is not a privilege. Under our
current system, many voters must follow cumbersome and needlessly
complex voter registration rules. And every election season, state and
local officials have to manually process a crush of new applications –
most of them handwritten – leaving the system riddled with errors, and,
too often, creating chaos at the polls.
Fortunately, modern technology provides a straightforward fix for
these problems – if we have the political will to bring our election
systems into the 21st century. It should be the government’s
responsibility to automatically register citizens to vote, by compiling –
from databases that already exist – a list of all eligible residents in
each jurisdiction. Of course, these lists would be used solely to
administer elections – and would protect essential privacy rights.”

It´s a disgrace and outrageous. Make voting as easy as possible for anyone. Other countries do it, it´s not really that difficult. Let´s not forget that counting the votes is purposely wide open to manipulation.

Regarding the money Steven van Zandt published the pledge for a democratic America. The obvious remedy is to eliminate campaign financing the way it is practiced now. The SCOTUS, designed to be the protector of the Constitution, seriously decided to do away with the basic idea of a democracy by  not only equaling corporations with human beings (sic!), but furthermore allowing practically unlimited influence of money on the political system. What else than corruption can be the result?   

To quote van Zandt: “These smartest guys in the room actually decided that spending money is
the equivalent of free speech. You might wonder why no one in that smart
room stood up and said wait a minute, if money is speech, isn’t lack of
money lack of speech?”

Yeah, the Cons are worse than the Democrats, but the Democrats aren´t exactly saints.

What do you think how things work when a presidential candidate has to come up somehow with a billion for a campaign?

If you want to see better days with a better government for the people two things need to happen.

More people need to vote. The influence of money needs to be reduced as much as possible.

As long as this doesn´t happen, you will see a government in crisis, a dysfunctional political system where only a short term cure for the symptoms is offered by a few, while the root of the problem remains in place.

And why not? There´s always a trick or a scheme to fool around with voters and districts as long as you have the financial resources to do so.

2012 is going to get really ugly.

Don’t you wonder why all these democratic voters don’t have or can’t be bothered to obtain proper ID?
The rest of our population seems to have no problem applying for and obtaining ID, so what’s the excuse, don’t they need ID to cash their unemployment checks? to obtain food stamps? Etc.
The main reason all these dumocrats below are so interested in these people isbecause the only people without ID are uninformed professional victims, perfect Dem votes.

This is so funny TC; voter fraud is alive and well and you know it.  Yes, Mikey and Hitler can vote in the recall election, so false identifciation if being allowed.  You can spin it however you want, but the original story is correct.  This is why democrats want voter ID laws over turned, so that Mikey and Hitler can vote for democrats. 

How about a story on which unions require identification to vote in the union vote?  One rule for them and a different rule for everyone else.  Now, where have we heard that before?

You know how to tell a liberal is lying? Their lips are moving.

Explain that one goofy.  If everyone has a proper i.d.  isn’t it “protecting the field” as they say in golf.

p.s. My Mother who never drove, never visited a dmv and had photo i.d. which she needed to buy bus passes as a senior.  

It’s about the dumbest argument.  You need photo i.d. to buy smokes, booze etc.
I don’t for a second believe that people don’t have it – they don’t want to show it is the proper stance.  

So you think it makes sense that to buy smokes you need to show i.d. but damn, I should just show a water bill I picked up in the garbage can outside and run in and vote.  Wonder if my water bill allows me to buy booze???? (they’re both liquid, right?)

If you go to a department store and want to make a return without a receipt you need a STATE Photo or Government ID.  If you go to a bank and want to open an account..guess what you need? ;)
If you want to open a credit card at a store guess what you need? 
You will soon discover you need a state id/ Government Id for many things.  Lord know what would happen to you if you suffer from ID theft without having a photo ID to prove who you are.
The only people who don’t need an ID are non citizens.  there is no excuse not to have one in the 21st century. 

I’ll bet Bert and Ernie are pissed…

The problem with that argument (other than it not being true – I voted in Ohio, where I went to college, and not Indiana, where I lived during the summers and where my parents live) is that the ID is not meant to confer eligibility to vote.  It’s merely meant to confirm the identity of the eligible voter.  Whether or not a given ID establishes residency is immaterial, because that is simply not the purpose of the ID requirements.

Prof_Young;

I never argued any sort of disparity in access to IDs, so I’m not sure what exactly you’re taking issue with. 

If you’re going to try to argue with someone, learn to respond to the argument they actually make.

Sorry Ann, Moderate is the one who brought up the homeless and the apparent offensiveness of their ability to vote.

And what am I lying about Ann?  Please, find me any source that indicates that more than 86 convictions were achieved in the Bush administration’s 5-year crusade to uncover imaginary voter fraud.

“Voter-ID schemes keep snagging the elderly”
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/voterid_schemes_keep_snagging033927.php

“91-year-old can’t get voter ID because of line”
http://www.nashvilleledger.com/editorial/Article.aspx?id=55529

“96-year-old Chattanooga resident denied voting ID”
http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct/05/marriage-certificate-required-bureaucrat-tells/

“84-year-old Wisconsin woman told to pay $200 poll tax”
http://peoplesworld.org/84-year-old-wisconsin-woman-told-to-pay-200-poll-tax/

“Wisconsin Voter ID Law Ensnares Teacher In Rural Part Of State”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/wisconsin-voter-id-law_n_1129837.html

“Voter-ID schemes keep snagging the elderly”
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/voterid_schemes_keep_snagging033927.php

“91-year-old can’t get voter ID because of line”
http://www.nashvilleledger.com/editorial/Article.aspx?id=55529

“96-year-old Chattanooga resident denied voting ID”
http://timesfreepress.com/news/2011/oct/05/marriage-certificate-required-bureaucrat-tells/

“84-year-old Wisconsin woman told to pay $200 poll tax”
http://peoplesworld.org/84-year-old-wisconsin-woman-told-to-pay-200-poll-tax/

“Wisconsin Voter ID Law Ensnares Teacher In Rural Part Of State”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/12/wisconsin-voter-id-law_n_1129837.html

Well Tina, why don’t you offer some proof for your assertion that “voter fraud is alive and well”.

By all means.  It isn’t like the Bush Justice Department tried to prove voter fraud was rampant.  Oh wait.  They found bumpkis.

Reality is a real bitch, isn’t it?

So you’re saying then that any time a conservative links to material from a website I think has dubious political intentions (let’s say, Americans for Prosperity, for example) that I have a right to freely ignore all facts that might be there? Just because it came from a place I think is disreputable?

You do realize this kind of thing is a problem, right?

In your first comment you stated tha 25% of African Americans lacked a government ID.  You followed with:

“When you are seeking to disenfranchise some million voters…..”

There would be no disparity or disenfranchisement if they would get off their cans and go get an ID. 

Both the study and your use of the 25% from the study is a red herring.

Democrats were caught attempting to buy votes with cigarettes in Wisconsin.  

Moderates comment had nothing to do with property-owners only voting, he was talking about vote fraud.

Marlboros for Gore votes:

http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/12/10/loc_bronson_marlboros.html

How many choose not to participate, are infirm or have ever voted?  Tell us. 

I personally know seniors that have never voted and are not interested in voting now. 

“84-year-old Wisconsin woman told to pay $200 poll tax”
http://peoplesworld.org/84-year-old-wisconsin-woman-told-to-pay-200-poll-tax/

Do please explain how one steals an election with a fraud rate of under .00004%, which is precisely what the Bush administration found after a 5-year investigation into voter fraud.

The Democrat Party started the KKK, Planned Parenthood, loved FDR, and loved Wilson.

Today’s Democrat Party STILL loves Planned Parenthood, FDR, and Wilson yet somehow the Democrats and Republicans switched parties. If the Democrats of yesterday became Republicans then it would be Republicans of today that loved PP and FDR.

Finally explain to me why top Democrats eulogized a former KKK grand dragon (or whatever silly name Democrats came up with for their KKK leaders). Byrd was the last KKK member in the Senate and was Democrat.

Explain to me your silly logic.

As a final example, look what the Democrats did to blacks in DC, Watts, Detroit or any other Democrat stronghold.

You know how it is…if Jon Stewart, CNN, CBS, ABC, NY Times, ThinkProgress or MSNBC say something…’it’s unbias’. They are so brainwashed by the Liberal Establishment that… to them…it’s is impartial. They don’t know anything else…other than hate Fox News because that what George Soros wants them to say.

I love it. Better to let my vote be voided out by a non-citizen or trounced by someone voting twice than to inconvenience someone from going to the DMV for a non-Driver ID once every four years. Better to keep on letting dead people and illegals vote in our elections. Better to destroy Americans confidence in the election process than to  trouble someone to carry ID.

Most dead people and illegal immigrants vote ‘Democrat’. Most are paid to vote fraudulently and most Voter Registration Fraud from ACORN were for the Democrat candidate. So, it’s pretty obvious why ‘old people’ and ‘race’ is the Liberal ‘talking point’ against Voter ID.

Most Students vote Democrat because Liberal Academia is indoctrinating students from singing ‘Barak Hussien Obama…Mmm, mmm, mmm!” to damaging their GPA for condemning Mao, Che or Lenin. Most kids don’t even know who John Locke is, yet their teachers drag them to Occupy rallies.

You try to make the case that .00004% is insignificant (5 million) at the start of your paragraph and then later say “5 million votes could easily sway an election”.  5 million voters would have decided too many elections to list.  This points out how wrong headed your argument is on it’s face.

You wonder why gun owners as a demographic tend to support Republicans?  Easy. Democrats are constantly trying to abolish the right to bear arms as our Constitution clearly allows.  Why do students as a demographic tend to support Democrats?  Because they are as an alcoholic with a bottle in their hand.  It is only years later that removed from 12-16 years of liberal indoctrination that they can see clearly and have perspective and understand how sick they really were in the past!