have to admit, it is a well crafted story.

Why not. He’s the perfect person, with experience, who can lie to a grand jury.

“I did not have talks with that man.”

So it was just politics as usual, something presidents from both parties have done before and will do again?

“So it was just politics as usual, something presidents from both parties have done before and will do again?”

And it is wrong, and undermines our democracy. I don’t care if Bu$h did it, Obama, JFK, or Reagan; it is f*ing wrong, and amounts to nothing more than bribery.

paulmdoro, you are very partisan and your judgment on matters like this is very suspect.

I’m going to do what I did when Watergate broke, which is wait for developments. With Watergate we had a third rate break-in but a cover-up that reached the highest levels in government. Seems with this there is a likely crime but I’m not sure if the cover-up will be revealed, if there is one.

Good point Rich. So far, there is no proof of anything, but where there is smoke….

An ” unpaid position” is a job ? Sounds like nonsense . This way nothing of value offered and no crime then . This still had to come from the top .

I am no more partisan than you are Rich, though waiting for more information is probably wise at this point. What bothers me is the fact that some people purport to be outraged by this only when the other side does it.

Looks like Hillary finally got her campaign debt paid off.

“So it was just politics as usual, something presidents from both parties have done before and will do again?”

If so, than Obama lied to the American public repeatedly with his “Change we can believe it” scam.

No matter how this turns out one thing is certain…this is another example of how much did NOT change with the president who ran on a mantra of change.

We got sold a bill of goods…again.

LNR, along with every other president who breaks campaign promises.

And it seems like Sestak wasn’t the only one. Ace is reporting this:

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Denver Post Embargoes Own Scoop On White House Crime…..Jim Messina, President Barack Obama’s deputy chief of staff and a storied fixer in the White House political shop, suggested a place for Romanoff might be found in the administration and offered specific suggestions, according to several sources who described the communication to The Denver Post.
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So let’s blame Sestak on Bill Clinton….this is something rather brand new, not blaming Bush for it. WOWSER

This is bullshit and utterly laughable. Bubba and Jug Ears hate each others guts. It was just coincidence that Bubba and Jug Ears had lunch yesterday, right?

No. They weren’t meeting to get their stories straight..they just wanted to talk baseball.

Paul,
Sestak said on camera that he was offered a job to get out of the race. I posted the law yesterday and that is clearly in direct violation. Whether or not, this specific thing is done all of the time, I don’t know, but you can be sure if Bush had broken the law, the left would’ve prosecuted. You can argue that it shouldn’t be the law, but excusing it as it happens all the time, doesn’t seem like a valid arguement.

As we all knew, they came out just before the long weekend with the story and by tuesday the media will do their job and drop any further mention of it. Just like he knows they will.

But paul, if you know of where Bush did this, I would love to condemn him for it, so please share.

And it was reported yesterday that Obama and Clinton had lunch yesterday. What a coincidence!!

Bush and Reagan did something similar to this, which I have posted before.

Reagan: From the AP article:

Sen. S.I. Hayakawa on Wednesday spurned a Reagan administration suggestion that if he drops out of the crowded Republican Senate primary race in California, President Reagan would find him a job.

“I’m not interested,” said the 75-year-old Hayakawa.

“I do not want to be an ambassador, and I do not want an administration post.”

In an interview earlier this week, Ed Rollins, who will become the president’s chief political adviser in January, said Hayakawa would be offered an administration post if he decided not to seek re-election. No offer has been made directly to Hayakawa, Rollins said.

Similarly, Hayakawa said in a statement, “I have not contacted the White House in regard to any administration or ambassadorial post, and they have not been in contact with me.”

Bush: The Atlantic’s Marc Ambinder further reports that “after Rep. Ben Gilman found his congressional district eliminated by redistricting in 2002, the White House tried to persuade him from challenging another Republican congressman in another district by considering him for an administration position.”

AND

From an April 19, 2001, Minneapolis Star Tribune article (emphasis added, accessed via Nexis) :

Minnesota House Majority Leader Tim Pawlenty said Wednesday that he won’t run for the U.S. Senate in 2002, but only because Vice President Dick Cheney called him on his cell phone earlier in the morning and urged him not to challenge St. Paul Mayor Norm Coleman for the Republican nomination.

Pawlenty’s dramatic last-minute decision is the latest development in an extraordinary intervention by the White House and President Bush on behalf of Coleman, who was chairman of the Bush presidential campaign in the state.

The White House’s intense interest in the race is a reflection of the 50-50 split between Democrats and Republicans in the Senate.

It may also signal a keen interest by Bush for Republicans to win the seat held by Democratic Sen. Paul Wellstone, D-Minn., who has been among the president’s most severe critics.

On Tuesday night, White House political strategist Karl Rove called Pawlenty and urged him not to run. Pawlenty said he was still intending to begin an exploratory candidacy after the Rove call.

But the request from Cheney, which came as Pawlenty was returning from a dentist’s office with his daughters, was impossible to resist.

“On behalf of the president and the vice president of the United States, [Cheney] asked that I not go forward. . . . For the good of the party, for the good of the effort [against Wellstone] I agreed not to pursue an exploratory campaign,” Pawlenty said at a news conference.

At the White House, a spokesman for Bush confirmed that Cheney made the call, but he declined to elaborate.

“I guess from our end, we would consider that conversation private,” White House spokesman Scott Stanzel said.

But he said that Bush, Cheney and Rove have discussed the Minnesota race and that Coleman has strong support in the White House.

“Norm Coleman is a respected leader who worked very hard for President Bush during the campaign as his Minnesota chairman, and because of that, he has many friends in this administration,” Stanzel said.

Similarly, from the October 30, 2002, Fort Worth Star-Telegram (accessed from Nexis):

Rove has thrust himself into targeted races with a characteristic take-no-prisoners style. He has recruited candidates, lobbied state lawmakers for favorable congressional redistricting plans, coordinated fund-raising and propelled Bush onto an exhaustive travel schedule to help Republican candidates.

[...]

Rove helped recruit Cornyn for the Senate race and, according to one source who requested anonymity for fear of being fired, insisted that the Republican national party allocate more than $2 million to the Texas race after GOP officials considered using the money in tighter contests. Rove also calls back to Texas with periodic advice, but Cornyn strategists say Rove does not play a dominant role in the campaign.

[...]

Rove reportedly urged U.S. Rep. John Thune to abandon a governor’s race to take on Democratic Sen. Tim Johnson in South Dakota. He has also been active in marshaling White House support behind Republican candidates in Missouri, Georgia and other toss-up races.

The fact that Fox had the last question at the press conference and no other reporter had thought to ask about the Sestak accusations is quite revealing. Sestak says that the White House offered him a job to drop out of the Senate race — which would be a felony and possibly an impeachable offense. But the White House press corp (except for Fox) is so in the tank for Obama, that they won’t even ask a single question about these things.

Clearly there is only one independent news network in operation nowadays, so no wonder people turn to it when they want to find out what is happening.

Well then I guess the Dem’s should have said something, eh Paul.

felix, see above regarding Reagan and Bush. Are you equally outraged by what they did?

Yes Michelle they should say something.

Maybe the conversation at lunch went something like this ;

BHO – Uh Bill, you know that I, now have access to the FBI files that Hillary hid for six years. So I’m going to need you to do something for me .

BC – Damn I should have taken those when I moved out instead of Lincoln’s desk !

Something poetic about Clinton now ‘following’ Rahm’s lead.

I am not outraged. I predicted before Obama was elected that his would be the most corrupt administration ever. He is from the corrupt political machine in the country. Anyone that comes from the Daly machine is a crook. I expect him to be a crook.
The people that should be outraged are the people that believed Obama would be different.
The people that should be outraged are the people that believed Obama was smart or that he was not a crook.

The most transparent regime EVER!

Most corrupt administration ever? Wow, fan of the inflammatory rhetoric I see. Polar opposite of those who screamed about Bush being the worst president ever. Either way, it’s extreme and divisive.

I was wondering who Obama was going to get to take the fall for him this time. Sleazy, strong armed Chicago thug politics.

Well, that ends that. Now can we get back to the more important stuff like where Obama was born and whether he bows to foreign leaders?

Didn’t this same thing happen under Reagan and Bush? Hmmm, according to the right it didn’t.
gordonbloyershow says:
May 28, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Two things within your own lifetime contradict that; watergate and the Iran contra affair.That record is also reserved for Warren G. harding’s administration. Sorry, but your attempts to demonize the liberal black man have failed.

Let’s hope the Republicans follow Issa’s lead and go for impeachment on this absolute nothing of a fake “scandal.”

We all remember how it worked out last time, don’t we?

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1998/12/20/impeachment.poll/

Let me see now, Obama has only been in 16 months and you folks are telling me about former Presidents that served two terms. Why don’t you folks wait and see if Obama makes it past one term. How many tax cheats did we find in the first few months. Obama is a crook. He has always been a crook. The Rezko deal proves it. ALL the Chicago Dems are CROOKS. Read the Chicago papers.

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
May 28, 2010 at 1:07 pm

Didn’t this same thing happen under Reagan and Bush? Hmmm, according to the right it didn’t.

Hey, remember when Obama said he was different than other administrations? WHOOPS!
Remember when he said he’d be transparent? WHOOPS!

Oh, and remember when I was told (last week) that the reason why Republican sex scandals are more important is because Republicans claim to be “family values” people, while Democrats don’t. Well… isn’t this the same thing? Obama claimed to be “holier than” the other guys… but is apparently just the same… so wouldn’t this be “more important” than those other guys?

Ah… the double standard. Making all things acceptable for the Democrats.

Know what that’s called..?

It’s called conspiracy to commit a felony.

Apart from involving Clinton…this has legs.

Looks like Sestak just released his statement. Along with the WH statement, looks like all the dittoheads just had their hopes of a “scandal” destroyed.

Good luck prosecuting that, dipshits! Game over!

“Last summer, I received a phone call from President Clinton. During the course of the conversation, he expressed concern over my prospects if I were to enter the Democratic primary for U.S. Senate and the value of having me stay in the House of Representatives because of my military background. He said that White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel had spoken with him about my being on a Presidential Board while remaining in the House of Representatives. I said no. I told President Clinton that my only consideration in getting into the Senate race or not was whether it was the right thing to do for Pennsylvania working families and not any offer. The former President said he knew I’d say that, and the conversation moved on to other subjects.

“There are many important challenges facing Pennsylvania and the rest of the country. I intend to remain focused on those issues and continue my fight on behalf of working families.”

ImNotBlue says:
May 28, 2010 at 1:32 pm

Remember when precedent determined how things would go legally according to the supreme court and the constitution, whoops, that only applies when it’s convenient.

Remember when I said that they weren’t? or do you remember when i told Michelle that those Republicans were still holding office despite her claims that Republicans get rid of their scum? Or do you remember when the article said it was Emmanuel’s doing just like people defend Reagan by passing the buck to North?

Ah..the narrow view of historical relevance and the hypocritical belief of the right that hypocrisy only exists on the left.

The_Reasonable_Lib says:
May 28, 2010 at 1:52 pm

So what you’re saying (if I understand correctly) is, “Yeah… well… Republicans are jerks too!”

And that helps Obama and his “transparently non-transparent” administration, hold up the standards of “change” and being “different than the other guys” how? HE said things would be different, HE imposed the standard. The issue isn’t that the Republicans are “just as bad,” or “do the same thing,” it’s that he promised he’d be different… so the excuse “everybody was doing it,” doesn’t fly.

paulmdoro says:
May 28, 2010 at 11:57 am
LNR, along with every other president who breaks campaign promises.

So, when do we tell them that enough is enough? You seem to accept everything.

Obviously we tell them enough is enough when it’s a president we don’t like, because only then is it objectionable.

Why in the hell did it take so long to come up with such and innocent explanation?

How stupid does Issa, the GOP and the press look now? No more so than usual. HA HA HA!

BHO is one hell of a liar. first, the BP spill was Bush’s fault. Now he goes all the way back to bring Bubba into this one.

“paulmdoro says:
May 28, 2010 at 11:42 am

So it was just politics as usual, something presidents from both parties have done before and will do again?”

LOL YOU believe this.

Either Sestak of the WH is lying and I will wait to hear from Sestak who said he would speak after the WH released its statement.

So funny you laughed out loud? Wow. Are you just as enraged about Reagan and Bush doing it?

paulmdoro says:
May 28, 2010 at 2:28 pm

So funny you laughed out loud? Wow. Are you just as enraged about Reagan and Bush doing it?”

No, just by your hack partisan support for barry.

Talk about pot and kettle.

You and RL are the biggest BHO brown nosers on mediaite- how does barry’s ass taste today?

“prominent, but unpaid, advisory position.”

Sestak said job, that doesn’t sound like a job.

Rush is right. Bill and Barak lunched to get their story straight, Bill called Sestak’s brother, and now all of them are on the same sheet of music. Gosh, liberals sure are gullible.

I can’t believe the liberal left is actually buying this story.

I’ve had many heated disagreements here, but I have yet to resort to disgusting, puerile comments. I’m not going to lower myself to that level.

I can’t believe the conservative right is losing their marbles over this.

paulmdoro says:
May 28, 2010 at 2:38 pm

I’ve had many heated disagreements here, but I have yet to resort to disgusting, puerile comments. I’m not going to lower myself to that level.”

You and your lib friends do that every day.

Others may have but I certainly have not.

Here are some quotes from the likable liberal joth t:

“So Jeffy are you just mad that your horse fluffing business did not get any stimulus?
“Hey Jeffy should I copy some of the things you put on my facebook page on here and let the people know what kind of sick fuck you are.”
“Jealous because at least I have a job and not a job that sucks off horses all day.”
“Lets talk about you stalking peoples families, you want to get into that you scumbag.

Im with “smack” up above and I too – have to admit, it is a well crafted story.

I know all these characters in this drama but Obama.

It just goes to show what a stand up bad ass team player Bill Clinton is to take the heat on this to save the ass of a White house administration that only got there because they worked with the numnuts like Matthewss, Russert, Olbermann, Robinson, Rich, Dowd and others in the DC political media clubhouse to portray President Clinton as a racist bastard.

I tell you this as one of many DC dems who was up in Del Co in 2006 trying to help elect Joe to Congress – the idea that The White House discussions were intended to “gauge Joe’s seriousness about the race”…well, thats totally ridiculous. sestak ALWAYS planned a 2010 senate run against spector even before he won in 2006 – EVERYBODY knew this even back then – plus he had already raised millions by the time obama made spector his incredibly stoopid offer.

But this is a well “crafted tale’ and Id bet and guarantee that it is all true (though very, very incomplete) and so clinton will yes, save obama’s ass on this.

too bad – he cant take care of the Gulf spill or the myriad of other obamas messes – but hey – elections have consequences dont they?

Paulmdoro, I like what you say…I may disagree on some things, but so what. Notsofast, wow your now my favorite poster. You are like the poster child for vitriol. What makes you so angry with Obama? Did you vote for him, and your angry because he didn’t change things, or are you angry because you didn’t vote for him, and he’s changed things. Perhaps both? You do seem to have some internal conflict within you.

Its like he’s personally affronted you for by being in office, and anyone who supports him gets lumped in too.
And frankly yes, its been done before, and Obama’s a politician, and no some things haven’t changed. So what?

two pieces of info for anyone interested -

First, id bet beckian gold pieces that the unpaid position was a slot on the Defense Policy Review Board. this is the group that advises on our national gazillion dollar defense budget and strategic goals. Ive seen huge DC players beg for a slot on that thing. If your on it – youre set as a member of the REAL ruling clique.

It totally works – is very possibly true, actually likely true – and it gets rid of the legal probs involved with the Sec Nav job. I havent bothered to find the dates – but the obama admin has said that they already had picked – and maybe even named 9which would be good for them ) their choice for that position and if thats so – theyre safe as can be.

but second – ANYTHING that Bob Bauer puts its name to should ALWAYS be doubted. he is the biggest liar in DC amongst Democrats in DC (and think what that means) and that is why obama is in the WH (Bauer disgracefully stole him MI and FL in the primaries) and Bauer is his white house counsel. (and his wife Anita Dunn is out there making millions (“consulting” (ie-”influence peddling”) after leaving as the WH Comms Dir in an Administration that said – THAT – kind of thing would never be allowed by the “One”)

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This is just how the Dems do business. I hope the Commie gets booted out of office.

Oh and imagine my suprise when “BJ” Bill as in the center of it.

F Obama

karma anyone?

remember when obamas campaign used VRRC GOP/DC MSM BS anti clinton ‘scandal” spin
(“Matthews-isms”) against the Clintons during those almost forgotten primary days?… :)

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The real lesson from this Sestak business

Michael Tomasky -Guardian UK

So evidently, in real life in US history, pols have been given a lot of leeway on this. And I think it may be important that what was allegedly on offer was an uncompensated advisory position on some executive branch board, which isn’t really much of an emolument and more likely something that would’ve ended up being a chore.

The real import of this story is this: If the Reps capture the House of Representatives this fall, they will have basically limitless power to keep these things churning forever, turning political horse-trading into potential crimes. They’ll hold hearings, issue subpoenas, you name it. Remember the Clinton days. It will never end.

And they’re even crazier now then they were then, now that they’ve convinced themselves we got us a Mooslum preznit.

This is what’s at stake this fall. Forget policy. It’s this: endless hearings and investigations until they find something that gets the public worked up, or until the public just cries uncle and says oh okay we’re sick of hearing you crazy people, if it’ll shut you up, just impeach the bastard already.

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:-)

Issa is back peddling now on MSNBC. Another false scandal. So reminiscent of the 1990′s. One day Republicans will bring real IDEAS to the table rather than serve up baseless political smears to cover for their own shortcomings.

Issa is NOT back peddling now on MSNBC

He said to Spitzer that the FBI should be brought in to do a “independent” investigation.

he also said that there was evidence that the deal – now as reported – would constitute a “crime”

theres lil chance that obamas dep of J will allow the FBI to get anywhere near this – but thats not backing off bubba.

id bet that if the GOP wins back the House – issa will hold hearings on this next year.

paulmdoro says:
May 28, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Obviously we tell them enough is enough when it’s a president we don’t like, because only then is it objectionable.

Speak for yourself. I think its well past time to hold politicians to their word, regardless of their party. You seem to look at the party label before you decide if what they are doing is right or wrong.

Paul, the outrage that is happening NOW always has more reaction to it then the outrage that happened years ago. What is this fetish that you have? Whenever someone calls a politicians actions into account you start talking about history. If someone held you up would you find out what party they were in, what their history was, or would you be pissed as hell and want to have them punished.

Please stop telling everyone that their outrage has to be equally alloted until you prove that you are always honest and above board.

I think they should hold hearings on this. Too many missspeaks and calls for comfort.

We could do a lot worse than impeaching the current occupant of the WH “hack.” It wouldn’t hurt to get rid of a few czars, either.