A Jew standing up for Christians against athiests. A truly beautiful thing to see on TV.

 No way I thought you righties always say that Jon never goes after his own? Once again you are wrong.

It is already horrible that abortions are legal in this country, but they have to take it to a new low by forcing those of us who see it as murder to pay for them.  A fertilized egg can be killed off four days later by birth control.  If life starts at conception this is murder. If life magically starts out of no where, 4 months in (as I’m sure Jon and the unempathetic “liberals” on here believe) than they are the ones with magical beliefs that that laugh at Christians for (I personally am an atheist that could care less about any religious argument on the matter).  If your going to perform abortions, at the very minimum, don’t force us to pay for them, that kind of thing leads to true hatred of a system.

I always thought Stewart was suppose to be a comedian?….Guess I was wrong!

Jon you’re treading on thin ice friend.  If you’re not careful you’re audience is going to boycott you and petition to have you shut down while protesting outside your house and synagogue.  I hope you this doesn’t mean the end of you.

I thought it says in the bible that life begins when you take your first breath?

Most people feel as Jon does, if it give someone a little comfort, who gives a shit.  

What verse is that? Oh you don’t know what you’re talking about? Then don’t mention the Bible in discourse, just setting yourself up for embarrassment and exposed ignorance.

Yes, the illegal, back alley abortions are much less horrible.  Did you enjoy your chicken abortion and bacon this morning Dave?

Again, since you apparently can’t read my post, I see the Bible as a worthless book that I wouldn’t take the first bit of instruction on anything from.  A human life either begins at conception (duh) or it magically appears out of no where (a purely emotional belief, not backed by reason, to make people feel okay about murdering other people)

This is Stewart at his best- when he points out the absurdities of both sides.

I agree with Jon Stewart.

Us Pagans already have the Christmas tree, Santa Claus, the Easter bunny and his “eggs”, yuletide wreaths, maypoles and so on.

what did he go after?  What is his own?

If you let Christians put that cross up, the next thing they’re going to do is insert their religious values in our American laws.

Who the hell is for a back alley abortion? If I’m not for BC than how can you stretch that I’d be for that?  By your logic, if I’m a messey killer that often harms others, who are not my actual target, then the state should set up a place where i can kill all my victims in a quick, clean way.  Dems, the party of hundreds of millions of legal killings. 

Also, I am fine with killing an eating other animals, but thanks for showing in your analogy how truly barbaric human abortions are.

This is not a very astute analysis you have, sorry.

No one ever said he NEVER goes after his own. I’d say its about 80/20 right vs left, with the majority of his criticism of the left being more constructive criticism as opposed to takedowns or ridicule. Jon is very lopsided in his coverage, but he’s also smart enough to throw a few bones to the right to keep his credibility high, which if you were paying attention during the politifact saga he showed he cared very much about.

Tonight might be one of the few examples where he gives scorn to the left (atheists) that he usually had always reserved only for the right.

Not sure if trolling…or just stupid.

“to make people feel okay about mudering other people”  Did you intend to write this? I think more than one may not be able to understand your post.
Worthless book is a bold statement my friend. Why don’t you “reason’ that out a little more.

Both.

It’s not barbaric, just an unfortunate part of life. It must be nice to sit and judge people from your perfect life, huh?

Atheists and “radical” Muslims are basically the same creature. Neither one believes humans have free will. Neither one values human life. Muslims believe Allah controls our every action and Atheists believe that our genetic code controls our every action. This allows them both to commit genocide.

I could argue that if you’re for the right to choose then you’d be for a back alley abortion if someone chooses that.

What is hard to understand here?  When people do something they know is wrong, they often try to justify it to themselves.  In this case we are talking about the mother killing her child (abortion).  So that she should feel okay about this action, Jon and others go with the emotionally based idea that a human life appears out of nowhere (aka when the baby is 4-9 months old)

By your logic there would be no laws, courts, jails, or police, because who is one man to judge the actions of another?  Who says that murder should be stopped and punished? Who are we to judge?  I’m sure you wouldn’t walk away from the holocausts of the past and say “that’s just an unfortunate part of life and we should not go after or try to stop those who chose to do it.”

If you’re an Atheist, it’s automatic your a Lefty? Try Googling ‘conservative atheist’

You’re kidding right? “Atheists don’t believe in free will.” Um.. no. Atheists believe in free will. How do you think they became Atheists in the first place? 

Wow, who could have imagined that in over 200 floors of wreckage from the World Trade Center a cross-beam was found.

It must be a sign from God!

You don’t understand my logic because you’re an invalid. Grow up. People have to do things they don’t want to, stop acting like a self-centered child. You don’t get to decide what others do and no amount of protesting will ever change that. An abortion is not a decision anyone wants to make and people like you are somewhat evil in my book, comparing that horrible choice with the holocaust. You’re the opposite of Christians, sitting around judging people.

As an atheist.. I never really cared about this, so I can’t say its Christians and Jews against atheists..because I don’t mind if people want to remember their dead loved ones with religious symbols.. it’d be a lot different if it was, THE JESUS CHRIST 9/11 MEMORIAL or something.

Even I wonder what is wrong with some of these people, what’s the big deal? It says god on our coinage. I guess it’s like having a very outspoken crazy religious person, this person just happens to be an atheist instead.

It sounds like you have no idea what Atheists believe in. 

people find a symbol that give them comfort and helps them deal with the tragedy and BFD is here to make fun of them……priceless

Most people don’t agree with you, that’s why it’s “hard to understand”… you’re old-fashioned.. abortions aren’t something people want to have but it’s no reason to condemn someone. People like you are actually quite ignorant, that you’ll ignore any reasons someone has and label them a murder. It shows a real lack of insight and empathy.

Allah is the Arabic word for God. So a Christian will use the word Allah in his prayer when speaking In Arabic. Unless you think that Christians of the muddle east use engilsh as there 1st language?

So if you are a Christian and if you don’t believe that Allah is your creator then you are not a Christian. Look it up.. Dude!

Um… Allah is the name for the Muslim god. The name of the Christian god is Yahweh/Jehovah.

Holy crap can you people not read, of course i’m the opposite of a Christian, I’m an atheist. By saying it’s not something people want to do you are acknowledging that you know it is wrong (murder). You just don’t want to feel bad about supporting it, or for others to feel bad about doing it, so you want people like me to shut up, and not break up your little cognitive dissonance game you have going on. Again, if we can’t judge the value of actions, than how can we have any form of law enforcement, or laws period?? And if aborions are murder, than certainly 50 million legal ones (not counting conceptions ended by BC) since Roe v Wade would qualify as a holocaust. Holocausts are also choices made by humans over other humans, so not invalid.

Lmao. I would say Muslim and Christians do not believe in free will. Both their lives are dictated by two badly written, heavily edited and self-contradictory books. Check history Sean, there has been more killings in the name of God and Allah then any other thing. Think first before you type anything. I am agnostic and it pisses me off when i see you religious people trying to set standards on what’s morally right or wrong when you have yourselves no real morality AT ALL.

I believe it says “In God We Trust” on our money because that is what the elites want us to worship, for it is how they obtained their power. I also feel like God should be brought into more political conversations, akin to the late 90′s WWJD craze/phase.

How about empathy for the murdered child? Which you and your side have zero feelings for. Who cares how many people agree with me? I would have been outnumbered in the time of slavery and in Nazi Germany, big deal, morality is not decided by popular vote. Why don’t they want to have them (could it be because they know they are committing murder?) People like you have no sense of logic, nor moral compass. Murderer = someone who intentionally takes the life of another innocent human, abortion clearly fits

D’oh. Thought he was serious. Can’t unlinke on Disqus fail.

D’oh. Thought he was serious. Can’t unlinke on Disqus fail.

Comfort??? How does that work? I honestly find it funny as fuck! It is no different then my little niece’s “grilled Cheesus” or the Jesus shaped Chito. 

not a christian, but people find comfort in dealing with tragedies with symbols……..could be a thing call faith

Genesis 2:7  Now what were you saying about being embarrassed and ignorant with your red face and tiny brain?

Genesis 2:7  Now what were you saying about being embarrassed and ignorant with your red face and tiny brain?

lol….saved for posterity.

http://i.imgur.com/SNQo9.jpg

Disqus will let you delete admitting you thought he was serious though.

Good grief…

Can’t we all just get along? I’m an agnostic too, but really why should we give a shit what some idiot thinks? Pretty sure the majority of Christians and Muslims are just regular people not murdering crazies.

You are not even for birth control (I assume that is what BC means)?  You know what Dave, until you have the ability to give birth, you just need to STFU.  And that goes for any man.

Not taking sides here, but isn’t there a difference between how the first man was “created” and how babies are concieved? I mean, Adam wasn’t produced from a pregnant woman, in fact in that verse it says god formed man of the dust. Just tossing that out there, take it as you want.

“Atheists and “radical” Muslims are basically the same creature.”

Congratulations, Sean! You get the award for most incredibly brainless comment of the day. (And the competition was definitely stiff.) Thanks for a great laugh!!

“…but
they have to take it to a new low by forcing those of us who see it as
murder to pay for them.”

People pay for all sorts of things that they don’t agree with through their taxes. Will you also allow pacifists not to have to support the military? Will you allow atheists not to pick up the tab to fund church tax breaks? If I only use public transportation in the big city, why the hell should I have to fund highways I’ll never use?

Aw hell, you are right.  I don’t really give a s**t about the argument, I just don’t like being called ignorant in a place where you can cut and paste an answer to everything!

Haha

Exactly. Adam wasn’t born. He was made in God’s image in the Garden of Eden before the fall of man. The Bible doesn’t specify “when life begins” so to fit in an abortion debate. I’ll give you a verse where the thought of abortion can be applied. Exodus 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill.” 

For my Two Cents: I’m an Atheist, and a Lefty. Life is difficult enough without the unimaginable tragedies that get piled on. People need comfort and reassurance and a way back from grief. For some, outward symbols like this cross help do that, for others, it can be a walk in the woods. We all need to cut each other some slack. I’m no fan of Christianity, but I’m certainly no fan of making others peoples suffering worse because of what I do, or do not believe (a sentiment I hope we can all share). So I’m fine with any symbol at Ground Zero that can help ease the pain bring comfort. It’s just common decency.

Eh an honest mistake is good for us all every now and then. Keeps us down to earth.

Stewart admits to liberal leanings, but at the end of the day, he’s a satirist who goes after hypocrisy, be it in the political realm or the media realm. The fact is that Republicans have made themselves much bigger targets in recent years, given the absurdity of their leadership. Just look at the entire 2012 slate of presidential contenders — it’s a comics’ dream!

Yea my bad if I came off dickish, I don’t like people trying to use the Bible against Christians. Rubs me the wrong way.

smh

 You don’t watch him enough Barney and yea he leans to the left  but he takes shots at his own side far more than anyone on the right does its not even close.

and your right Beggar there are many conservative atheist

i agree with the atheist on this one

but i get john’s point

Its not that you made a mistake, we all make mistakes. It was that you are actually stupid enough to agree with somebody stupid enough to think that a cross-beam found from a building made of cross-beams was a sign from God.

To the unfaithful maybe. Don’t send that negative energy this way bro, the Holy Spirit will always deflect it.

I don’t mind that cross being up as long as people of other faiths who had died in that tragedy can be properly be represented as well… Oh wait, the can’t? They’re forced to be misrepresented and remembered by a religious icon pushed onto them? Oh, I see, it’s just an architectural design and has no religious connection… Let’s turn it onto its side then! What? They (the Christian public) don’t want that because they say that it’s disrespectful to their beliefs? This kinda reminds me of when the Christians disguised creationism as “intelligent design” and calling it scientific, pushing it onto public education. 

I agree with you. And what’s interesting is that the people who are arguing most ferociously for allowing the symbol to be there are many of the same people who fought hardest to keep a prayer center (the misnamed “Ground Zero Mosque”) out of the neighborhood.

Wasn’t that also offered up as something to bring comfort? Are we only allowing “comfort” on Christian terms now?

He turned then to Dobbs, who seemed perturbed by the rise of “Miles Morales,” the new, half-black half-Latino Spiderman. “It’s Lou Dobbs’ worst nightmare,” Stewart joked: “a Latino that can climb walls.”

Now that was actually quite funny, even though it was really just an attempt to destroy Dobb’s character. I wonder if Dobb’s wife, Debi Lee Segura, a Mexican-American, thought it was funny.

He turned then to Dobbs, who seemed perturbed by the rise of “Miles Morales,” the new, half-black half-Latino Spiderman. “It’s Lou Dobbs’ worst nightmare,” Stewart joked: “a Latino that can climb walls.”

Now that was actually quite funny, even though it was really just an attempt to destroy Dobb’s character. I wonder if Dobb’s wife, Debi Lee Segura, a Mexican-American, thought it was funny.

Because men aren’t needed to get pregnant, or care if the woman they slept with aborts the pregnancy?

Christians are getting more and more defensive as they are challenged.  Do they want the cross because it means so much to them or is it a symbol of dominance, which is what they are afraid they will lose to the ever growing secular public?  Personally I could care less about the cross but if any other religion wants equal time, they’d better get it.

Do you weep for the fertilized egg that never gets attached to a womb and is flushed away on a tampon or pad, or passed during horrifying cramps, into a toilet?  

Well said!

Rutsy, are you pro death penalty?

Rutsy, are you pro death penalty?

You are right the Christians and the Jews used the word “Allah” meaning ‘The God’ – 500 years BEFORE Mohammed/Islam.
Although they both reference “Allah” as God they have very distinct concepts of who and what that is. For a Christian it is the belief that Jesus Christ is the Son of God – thus the term Christian (Christ Follower) To be a Christian is the ME is to NOT follow the preaching of Mohammed but that of Jesus. Big difference. 

They are getting equal time and square footage. The Mosque near Ground Zero, that somehow tapped in the 9-11 funds to help off set construction cost, yet a 100 year old Greek Orthodox church is getting stalled by the city to REBUILD what was already there. 

I don’t really need to explain the difference between an orgasm and carrying a child for 9 months to you, do I?

And in this day and age, no, a specific man is really not necessary.

It doesn’t need to be an unfortunate part of life- that’s the point. 750,000 teenage girls will get pregnant this year, birth control would obviously help drop that number along with smarter choices and education.  Many of these girls use abortion as their birth control, which shows how far down the disconnect goes between getting pregnant and understanding that pregnancy is a life. If it wasn’t a life, there wouldn’t be some many couples using alternative methods to get the pink plus sign on the pee stick.

No judgment, just facts and solutions on how to deal with them. In areas/cities with high rates of pregnancy (not just teen) birth control should be free. 

I watch him every night. Him and Colbert.

As I explained already, Stewart’s “shots” he gives the left are much different then his shots at the right.

Or perhaps its you that doesn’t watch enough. Anthony Wiener anyone? It literally pained him to make fun of him- and it was mostly under the guise of I dont want to but its too ironic and funny to pass up.

I didnt say all atheists are lefties. I was referring to the specific atheist group opposing the cross.

Its amazing how often I have to end up explaining the most simple things a monkey could figure out.

I love the irony in how zealous Atheists are about practicing their (lack of) faith.

They are by and large more proud of their non-beliefs and more apt to proselytize about them than any Christian I know.

Yeah, there are LOTS of idiots in the world.

Yeah, there are LOTS of idiots in the world.

Democrats don’t do that to people who don’t deserve it.

Oh dear…

Let me tell you why.

Because that so called cross is just like jeebuz on a stale, dry, potato chip.

Then you have morons from all places coming to adore a potato chip, er, 9-11 cross.

You don’t fix stupidity by promoting it. THAT is the point.

Anyone interested on a trip to the Holy Land?

There’s a big difference between killing a living soul that hasn’t even had a chance in this world to executing a murder or rapist. However I don’t ever want to be the one deciding who gets executed (judge not lest ye be judged) and I think liberals have rigged the judicial system so that it costs more to execute someone than life in prison (which they usually get paroled)

What the heck are you talking about? There’s nothing in that report that identifies the politics of that group. You wrote “lefties (atheist)” you made that connection, if you didn’t mean to then try to write more coherently. 

In god we trust was only added in the 50s, the USA was meant to keep religion away from the government originally remember.

Yes, the difference is that that babies really are born, and Adam is a fictional character.

I think that was because Mr Wiener is a personal friend.  Much like the pain and the shock he felt going after McCain in the 2008 election,  They are personal friends too.

wait, did you just compare birth control to abortion?  So a pill that stops a lady from ovulating is an abortion pill?  Is a man wearing a latex or rubber or sheepskin (kinky) covering to his penis committing abortion?  What about pulling out? I just want to follow your argument here.

so neither adam or eve had belly buttons?

Jewish/Christians were descendants of Issac, while Muhammad was a descendant of Ismael.  The were both sons of Abraham. 

And isn’t it funny that those who argued ferociously to allow the ground zero mosque to be built are those arguing against allowing the cross to remain….

funny though, the cross was actually part of the twin towers, and found in the remains after 9/11, where as the mosque represents the radical arm of the religion that brought down the towers. 

And those protesting the mosque were just asking that it be built down thee road, since,apparently,  according to history, mosques are built on conquered land. Yet, those opposing the cross want it completely removed, from ground zero, and every other public place. 

Fact: Words from the trash Muslim no doubt! Easy don’t like it quit being lazy turn your head numbnuts!

Fact: Why would anyone get confused about your faith in God and having morals?

Fact: I really wonder how we survive with the trash in our country. Sarahinitaly. We need a reboot or something.

I don’t believe the claim is *never* (because we do enjoy his hits on Obama) but that he goes after the Right FAR more often than the Left and claims to not have an agenda.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/erin-r-brown/2011/07/18/numbers-dont-lie-daily-shows-stewart-hammers-right-nearly-4-times-more

Fact: Oh the shame. No belief in God and still living a life of a poor person. To funny!

Fact: You tell them HooeyNY! wacko……….

Fact: I’m sure you know! hahahahahaha…………..

Fact: Religious values are the basis of law in America dipstick and when in court you confirm them when your hand is on the Holy Bible and you say the words; “I do” before telling the truth!

Fact: That is the stupidest rambling on this whole thread. Do you have any idea what you are trying get across to the reader? Dumbest tool at Mediaite by far!

Fact: Why do the unborn feel pain and scream without a noise as they are chopped out of a woman’s body? Alive? Pain tells me they are!

Why can’t we all just get along?

Jon can’t go a day without disparaging a conservative in one way or another, weather it is on or off-topic, it doesn’t matter to him – if it’s a conservative,he will take a shot at it.

Fact: Doesn’t take alcohol or a bar setting to light the fire on this subject to make all rise!

I agree with you that his shots are aimed at the right more than the left, but you do realize he has absolutely no commitment to making his show “fair and balanced”? He is not a journalist, he just plays one on TV. 

I think Stewart is bright, funny and has good insights, but all that aside, it’s sad that we even turn to him for news. It’s nearly impossible to find any journalism that doesn’t lean in one direction or the other, so the best thing for people to do is to find reputable sources that are middle, left and right to get as close as possible to seeing all sides of an issue.

So, if I ignore your stupidity you will go away?

No. I just opened my eyes and you are still here promoting the same stupid religious ideas from 1 hour ago.

Take your stupid 9-11 cross and carry it to Mecca.

That is what those morons, like you, are talking about. A Holy War.

If conservatives didn’t act like such dicks, maybe they wouldn’t make themselves such obvious targets for ridicule.

Oh, wait? What? You’re wrong? OMG!

A spokesman for the organization told ABC that other religious artifacts
would be included in the exhibit, including a Jewish prayer shawl given
by a victim’s family member and a Star of David made from WTC steel.

Thing is, these items have an obvious connection to the site, and are thus worthy of inclusion in 9/11 museum. There’s also a perfect representation of atheism inherent in the site: a big frigging hole. Another thing is, nothing is being forced on anyone. You don’t have to go to the museum, and if you do go, you don’t have to kneel before the cross. You can just ignore it. Y’all should calm down. You look silly.

Fact: No I won’t go away I’m only going to continue to generate asinine comments that go on without punctuation and are ridled with speling erors because i’m too dumb to use spellcheck and wouldn’t know a fact if it bit me in the ass.

You know what the comedy will be? Just wait till Barry starts his re-election process in earnest (he really never stopped). Can’t wait to hear the chorus of it’s Bush’s fault.  LOL!

You should go find some of the 9/11 rescue and recovery workers who found comfort in that cross and laugh in their faces and tell them how stupid they are. Then you could tell them how you coped with cleaning up the corpses of thousands of your friends and neighbors! Haha! Stupid New Yorkers!

Fact: No one has a clue what you’re saying or why you’re saying it.

The left doesn’t consider her a “real” Hispanic. No matter what her heritage or ethnicity, she is not a real one if she doesn’t agree with them.

Have you heard of Mao? Stalin?

BTW, the Inquisition was not genocide. The Crusades weren’t either. Your argument would work better if you could get a fact or two right.

Frankly, if it were up to me, I’d have no religious symbols or prayer centers or churches or mosques or temples there at all. The collapse of the towers and the entire 9/11 attack itself was FAITH-BASED, which should tell us that if there’s one thing the world needs, it’s LESS religion, not more.

You don’t know that the eggs on your plate aren’t fertilized? LOL!

Now that I know that YOU think I’m a “wacko,” I’ll wear it like a badge of honor. Thanks!

Wow, that’s some great logic. So until I become a woman (impossible), I have no right to stop any killers who happen to be female, bravo

Yes, as a libertarian I agree with all of those things. The only thing you got wrong is to say that you pick up the tab when someone gets a tax break. There rate may not be “fair” compared to others, but someone getting to keep their own money does not cost you a dime, unless you are such a collectivist as to believe that all money belongs to society and we only get to keep what society allows us to.

No, any natural death, is apart of life. Humans intentionally ending the lives of other humans is not apart of a natural, moral, or civilized society. Allow yes most miscarriages are very sad for the family, why? because they know they lost a child.

If you’d read the whole post, I am not comparing it to abortion, it is in some cases actual abortion. There are many cases where a 4 day old, fertilized egg is terminated by birth control, take a biology class.

Come on, its just a publicity stunt and they got on the Stewart Show. Rush tries every day to get on the stewart show.

I know your high already, faxman.

I told you if I close my eyes you are not going away.

That is the answer to what Jon Stewart is asking.

Why do atheists give a sht about the so called “cross”?

Because the stupid, that would be you wingnutz, want to enshrine it and give it a religious meaning which  it lacks.

Do you stupid fooocks believe jeebuz died on 9-11 grounds?

That is what you are doing.

More name-calling from Howard ’85 IQ’ NY and the liberal ”dicks”. Your word.

how were the crusades not genocide? weren’t they about removing anybody in the way of restoring the holy land to the christians? it is not the textbook definition of genocide, though comes close enough for the same ballpark..

I am not religious, and not big on organized religion. That said, symbols don’t bother me. I do not get offended just by seeing a religious symbol. They hold deep meaning to those who choose to believe in them, and I see no reason why they need to be hidden from site.

But, I do disagree that we need less religion, not more. For some, religion/faith does actually serve as a moral compass, and I tell ya, I don’t want to see what would happen to the world if people stopped believing in Heaven and Hell. I don’t like when people hide behind their faith, kill in the name of religion, or hold bigoted views because of religion, but I do like the fact that it stops a whole lotta people from running amok. 

And faith does provide a lot of comfort for people during times of trouble, illness or tragedy. And it gives old people something to do on Sunday. ;O)

Most atheists are leftwing kooks.They only care because they hate Christians like most leftwing kooks do.If this had been a Muslim or Jewish symbol than atheists would not had cared at all.

Witnesses’ accounts claim everything from dozens to hundreds of young black
people beating white people as they left State Fair Thursday night. “It looked like they were just going after white guys, white
people,” said Norb Roffers of Wind Lake in an interview with Newsradio 620
WTMJ.  He left the State Fair Entrance near the corner of South 84th
Street and West Schlinger Avenue in West Allis.

“It was 100% racial,” claimed Eric, an Iraq war veteran
from St. Francis who says young people beat on his car…”They were
looking in everybody’s windshield as they were running by, seeing who was white
and who was black.  Guarantee it.”
 

http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/126825018.html

State fair in Wisconsin.

The mosque is 4 blocks from ground zero… There are strip clubs closer to the the WTC! Just admit that the mosque thing was faux news’ attempt to cash in on latent Islam phobia and be done with it… Oh and btw, the “Islamic community centre” (not mosque) is not being paid for out of the 9/11 fund, you f***wit, it was privately financed… Go back to watching fox.

Here is the main problem with the “I don’t really care” mindset. Christians weren’t the only people who died in the WTCs. There were people of many faiths and no special privilege should be given to one particular set of casualties as it would be offensive to the relatives of the non-associated i.e. Muslims, Jews, atheists, wiccans, etc. You commemorate all who died or find a new monument. What would’ve happened if the Vietnamese memorial only showed the names of Caucasians who fought for the US, but disregarded everyone else.

Offensive this cross is to those 30% that were non-Christian relatives. It is saying “its what the Christians “God” would want.”

why?  Rush has a lot more listeners than Jon so….

Hmmm wonder if one of the deep thinkers a mediaite will do a story on this. lol

You’re right – the practice “selective outrage” – a fine art.  

Stewart is not out “to destroy Dobb’s character.” That’s just rhetorical nonsense. He’s had Dobbs on the show as a guest at least once, probably more, and they had a very civil and respectful conversation. (You can find the clip at the Daily Show website.)

This is something that many people will just never get about Stewart. He doesn’t engage in character assassination. He’s a satirist, not Sean Hannity. He has a liberal bias, but that’s just the starting point for his comedy. The real target of his humor is hypocrisy and absurdity, whether it comes from the left or the right, from the White House, the congress or the media.

Well, according to a poll just out yesterday, THREE times as many Americans blame Bush for our current debt crisis than Obama (44% vs 15%), as well they should. If we hadn’t had the unfunded tax cuts and wars, we wouldn’t still be trying to dig our way out. And Republicans will have to explain why we should go back to their economic philosophy when the results speak for themselves.

Fact: Code not before 12 noon.

Fact: HooeyNY tries again too make a point!

Fact: Thax I have a new fan! Need to work on the name spelling thing next time!

Fact: Why not borrow the avatar too!

And you know honestly, as an atheist, I’m more for getting In God We Trust off our money than I am about getting a “cross” out of the 9/11 Memorial. Pick your battles atheists or people are going to start mistaking you for the right wing. 

Fact: I’m flattered you want too be my best fan!

It was brought in to try to differentiate those “commie bastards” from US. It was 100% political. Same reason “under God” was put into the pledge. The US isn’t a “Christian nation” it’s merely scared of communism.

Who cares?

Lib bigots, which means all libs!

They want a Mosque near “Ground Zero” but can’t take two pierces of steel .

I love it when libs like you reveal your bigotry!

WOW!

You have a fan! GOOD for you!

Could you two gNOpigs keep your fantasies to yourselves.

And your point is…?

Once again, you’ve attempted to hijack a thread by taking it off topic and into territory that’s utterly unrelated and completely irrelevant to the discussion. You must have Attention Deficit Disorder, because you seem completely incapable of focusing — let alone making a coherent argument.

Please — next time you get the urge to post, don’t. You’re only making yourself look ridiculous with your wildly off-the-mark ramblings.

Rush’s audience is cranky old folks who are dying off. The Daily Show audience is younger and more vibrant and they’re the future.

Fact: Are moderators allowing name hijacking again?

http://www.tampax.com/en-US/home/home.aspx

http://www.tampax.com/en-US/home/home.aspx

No, the idea was for government to leave religion alone, not for it to pretend religion doesn’t exist. The Founders were not anti-religion.

Oh, for… he was being sarcastic guys. You know, tongue in cheek? Look up. You’ll see it going over your heads.

Oh, for… he was being sarcastic guys. You know, tongue in cheek? Look up. You’ll see it going over your heads.

Oh, for… he was being sarcastic guys. You know, tongue in cheek? Look up. You’ll see it going over your heads.

I think you need to crack a textbook and look up genocide. The Crusades did not, nor did they intend to slaughter an entire group of people. They were fairly basic conquests.

The truth hurts. When you have a party dominated by Palin, Bachmann, Santorum, Perry, Pawlenty, Cantor, Boehner, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter and Beck, you’re gonna get ridiculed. That’s just a fact.

If the party was less enthralled by its fringe and actually put forward serious people who knew how to run a government — rather than dismantle it — Stewart wouldn’t have much to say.

don’t know – don’t listen to rush and don’t watch jon.  Your post does not answer my response.  Why would rush want to be on stewards show?  

You’re acting like that cross is the only thing that will be featured at the memorial. Also, none of those other religious groups are complaining about the cross, so bringing them up is, at best, a specious argument to ban the cross from being displayed.

quoting newsbusters drops your credibility, sara.  and seems lazy.

There are 4 individuals in the lawsuit with AA and IIRC there’s a Jew, a secularist, a Christian, and another of a faith I cannot recall at the moment.

You do know that isn’t the same person you were arguing with, right? You might want to be aware of such things if you’re going to label anyone as stupid. You come at this from an atheist point of view, so it’s no surprise you would find religion to be silly. So should we start banning things because you think they are silly? To the religious, your beliefs are silly. So should Christians demand you be banished to Mecca, so you can be around other non-Christians?
You talk of other people wanting a holy war, yet look at the attack on religion you launched into, just because people are taking comfort in a cross found at ground zero. You would complain that others are trying to impose their beliefs upon you, but you would readily impose your beliefs on others.

I didn’t assert that he did. I was merely suggesting that a numbers comparison only tells a part of the story. Rush’s audience may be larger, but his demographic is people who are cranky, fearful, partisan shut-ins like my mother. They don’t engage in the world and they believe that any information Rush hasn’t blessed is tainted with libruhl bias. And, frankly, they’re dying off. By comparison The Daily Show audience skews younger and is made up of people who are much more open-minded, less rigid in their political affiliations and who aren’t constantly angry at the world and afraid of people and ideas that are different.

essentially, yes.  but’s it’s really more of a STFU because you can’t understand the process because it can’t/won’t happen to you.  you better believe you have no right.  it’s legal (in many states), it’s not happening to you (you are not the owner of the donor sperm) and it’s a personal decision. 

you’re not the one who may face an unwanted pregnancy.  you’re not the body that would be growing/nourishing the developing fetus.  and you certainly aren’t going to be putting your life on the line (women do die during pregnancy/childbirth from complications) to bring the life into the world.  you’re not the one that could face an ectopic/tubule pregnancy, necessitating that murderous process you allude to.

your gender, sadly, has shown it’s not up to the task.  way more single mothers than single fathers.  deadbeat dads, like Rep. Joe Walsh and others. 

the fact that nature, itself, eliminates many a fertilized egg or fetus means your morality policing is slightly misplaced.  no uterus means you have no frakking credibility for your moral high horse. 

why don’t you put that focus on LIVE children in this country who aren’t be taken care of.  why don’t you focus on making their lives easier, than wagging your finger at a decision process that isn’t about you.

Their “study” is a joke though.  Their sample size consists of two weeks, 8 episodes only.  And it took place when Stewart and Fox  were engaged in an on-air back-and-forth that began with Stewart’s appearance on Chris Wallace.  Which, coincidentally, is also when they marked the start of their sample.

If their two-week sample was taken during the Weinergate saga, one would conclude that the Daily Show mocks Democrats more often than Republicans.

fax, you’re the one with the stupid rambling.  the rest of us absolutely get the post. 

dumb comments, dumb avatar courtesy of just4thefax

well, we all know that every single fertilized egg implants, then results in a safe, normal live birth..

((rolls eyes))

Wow, Christians have no morality? Because of….the crusades? That’s how you go through life? Good luck with that. 

Rush is Chuck Yeager.

I guess Lou Dobbs is a liberal, then.

That is about the stupidest thing I’ve read in awhile.

Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! It was to keep the government away from religion.

I said “groups,” Narian. If there are these individuals involved in the lawsuit, where are they? I’ve neither read nor seen anything about them in any of the coverage.

I’m a liberal, and I still say fuck these atheist blowhards. There is just as much arrogance and egomania amongst atheists as there are amongst theists. You want to make your cause look bad? GREAT FUCKING JOB. MISSION FUCKING ACCOMPLISHED. You’ve pissed on something that others take as a sign of comfort, just like the WBC does with marriage equality and our troops.

This was one of the reasons I stopped calling myself an atheist. I wanted to distance myself from this petty squabbling. You make yourselves look just as childish and amoral as hardcore Christians and Muslims, except you haven’t actually killed people yet.

Wipe that stupid grin off of your face and show some fucking respect, you smug fucking troll.

Do unto others as you’d like them to do unto you. That’s my fucking philosophy.

He’s using the cross as an allegory for the mindset displayed by opponents of the “ground zero mosque.”

Oh, no! Don’t out her as an atheist, Fux! That’ll do something for sure!

Ohhhhh! You got ‘er! Oh, no, what a shot that guy is! We’re goin’ down! Ohhhh nooooo!

Pablo’s “textbooks” are the new versions Texas is introducing.

yea and at the end of the day what was the wiener thing? It was a big joke. Guy sends pictures of his wiener and get kicked out of congress.

Did you just hear that stupid theocrat Obama saying “God bless this” and God bless that”?

Gaia help us!

Fact: Hahahahahahaaha…………..

Fact: Crusades were a response to the Muslim land grab of moving in a direction of almost acquiring lands a far north as Italy. Then they were beat back down into the heart of the Middle East. Not Started by Christians.

Man, if only we had somebody like Barack Obama in charge. Things would be so awesome!

His audience should be shrinking then, right?

No, it needs to be deleted! Never happened!

Fact: avoidswork is close to my Indian name of Kicking Back. Because I like too just Kick Back at work! Now that’s a dumb comment! Boy don’t mess with the AVATAR!!!!!!RRRRRRRR…….

Most of the Founding Fathers, namely the most influential, were very much against organized religion. I have yet to see a quote from them that implies your statement to be factual.  

So we stop the charity and comfort that religions provide? No more homeless shelters, soup kitchens, hospice, monetary giving to the needy provided by churches?  Seems a little radical don’t you think.  How about the we have less  nuts that use religion as an excuse for their hate?

What? Oh, I get it. Like Condi and Justice Thomas.

I think what leads to true hatred of a system is being denied rights.

Barry is more like Bush than anyone out there. He owns the “tax cuts”, gas prices and the current economy.  The sales job of “it’s Bush’s fault” is going to wither. Keep up this stellar job for another year and Daffy Duck could beat Barry.

Barry is more like Bush than anyone out there. He owns the “tax cuts”, gas prices and the current economy.  The sales job of “it’s Bush’s fault” is going to wither. Keep up this stellar job for another year and Daffy Duck could beat Barry.

The irony? it was financed by the second largest Fox news shareholder, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed

You must be so proud.  LMAO!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/guam/7548366/Hank-Johnson-US-Congressman-claims-Guam-will-capsize-from-military-influx.html

http://www.thepoliticalguide.com/rep_bios.php?category=scandals&rep_id=23962494

http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/joebiden/a/bidenisms.htm

“If their two-week sample was taken during the Weinergate saga, one would conclude that the Daily Show mocks Democrats more often than Republicans.”
No, one would not conclude that. One only need watch his show to know he hits Cons FAR more than Liberals. He has said as much.

Nice answer. Typical and lazy and avoids the truth.

Oh gosh, the republicans would love to have anyone even remotely like Obama.

No one can seriously be arguing that Stewart plays both sides evenly. Thats absurd!

He’s a self professed liberal- Of course he gives leeway to the ideology he favors.

And vice versa.

You are wrong, as usual. Its the American Association of Atheists. 

http://www.atheists.org/

Find me one right wing position on their site. How about one republican candidate they back?

While of course being atheist doesnt necessarily mean you are left wing, being a member of this organization does.

Sorry. You lose.

So our entitlement system would be fully funded if it werent for tax cuts and the war?

Man I only wish that were true, trust me.

I agree with you Shaun. Now if everyone else here who thinks that Stewart IS fair and balanced would get that memo…

You’re still bitter that a Kenyan anti-colonialist marxist outsmarted you all in 2008.

You missed the point of your own comment -which wasn’t about having sex, it was about getting preggers. For you to tell a man that he has no right to have an opinion on abortion is ridiculous. To disregard the man’s role in the consequences, it takes two people to make a baby is just as ridiculous. Having an orgasm doesn’t produce a baby so what is you point? That an abortion is a decision that only the woman gets to make-fair enough but if the woman decides to have the baby and the father wants the abortion, does she still get to demand child support.

As a conservative, I’d like to say that I wish there were more liberals like you.

Who cares about the the strip clubs I responding to Helena’s comment about religions getting fair representation at ground zero – they are. I don’t watch FOX, funny how you just assume that. I don’t care what you call it a mosque, community center, outreach center to infidels, whatever … did I touch a nerve or something?

BTW- They did file a requested $5.5 million from the 9-11 fund set up by Congress to help with cost – apparently they don’t have enough funds to build???. No ruling yet Kate Levin, the NYC Commission of Cultural Affairs, who is also on the board of commissioner for lower Manhattan Development Corporation  or if there has been can you tell me if they got the requested? Apparently you know the answer, since I am a F***wit for even asking…I think they have a lot of nerve applying for those funds in particular, for a new structure when many of the ones destroyed have yet to be rebuilt- sorry if you have a problem with that.

Please go away and come back when you have a brain.

That particular group of atheists deserve your anger, but don’t list them with all liberals. That is like listing Muslims as conservatives, because Muslims are extreme conservatives, but you sure don’t like them, I bet.

Can you please explain what belief in god has to do with monetary policy? … Unless you think “In god we trust” is less of a moto and more of a disclaimer.

The point to be made is that having a Hispanic name does not make one an immigrant, legal or illegal.
A woman asked George Lopez where his ancestors came from and he said “Los Angeles, Bitch!”

“Hispanics” were here before “White People” were here in the south-west, and there is the fact that legal immigrants have good reason to be angry at illegals. It is like a patriotic American Muslim being mistaken for a terrorist.

If he looks like one, shoot him.

The point to be made is that having a Hispanic name does not make one an immigrant, legal or illegal.
A woman asked George Lopez where his ancestors came from and he said “Los Angeles, Bitch!”

“Hispanics” were here before “White People” were here in the south-west, and there is the fact that legal immigrants have good reason to be angry at illegals. It is like a patriotic American Muslim being mistaken for a terrorist.

If he looks like one, shoot him.

I would support you if you cleaned up the language. I understand your anger and your frustration. So long as no one is dragging them into a church or forcing them to pray, they have no cause for complaint.

As for the anti-Mosque folks, they should see the connection between their attitude and this atheist group. It is the same thing in a different form.

There were Muslims who died while working in those buildings and while trying to rescue people in those buildings. There were two Muslim prayer rooms in those buildings.

Build a mosque on conquered ground? Name a religion that didn’t do that. Who claimed the New World in the name of God and a king? Every last church in North America and South America is built on conquered land.

I’d be just fine with you not paying for abortions if I don’t have to pay for 2 simultaneous wars with no clear victory conditions.

First of all why are the Atheists hate themselves so much.

2nd, why are these Christian so ignorant. Contraption does not interfere and cannot interfere with the plan of God. Taking a cautious step surely cannot be a sin, especially the one that is so great that would lead you to hell. Gash, the height of ignorance is unbelievable. 

a human life is human when it can think and feel as a human can. a blastocyst cannot do this. a blastocyst is not a human being, it is a collection of cells that will eventually become a human being. by your logic, masturbation would be considered murder.

theres no magic or mystery here. a collection of cells with no cognition is not a human being.

A bit of a stretch, Barney. I have had Christians in various forms knocking on my door to invite me to their church, but I’ve never met an atheist who brought the subject up, let alone proselytized about it.

interesting. why would an atheist object to birth control?

really?  Mind explaining all the hatred directed at republicans?  The smears, slander and wishing them dead – silenced etc.  If that is open-minded then we are all in trouble.  I think you’ve got things bass ackwards 

There are some Christian groups who believe everything is preordained. Mark Twain made fun of them by combining preordained and foretold in “preforordination.”

Is everything God’s will? Can we take comfort in God’s plan? Is God planning and reacting, or just watching?

Heavy theological stuff.

lol – so all land was occupied?  really?  Good thing you don’t teach history. 

nothing – they believe in the big nothing.

sean, I guess it makes you feel good to imagine that all those who don’t share your beliefs must be monsters.

I was listening to Obama’s speech in the car a few minutes ago.  He is so unbelievably poor at delivering a speech that it is pathetic.  No heart in it at all.  Someone should teach him the cadence required to read off a teleprompter because it’s not working.

what?  I must question your logic on your post.  

If you only had a brain. 

I don’t see any attempts to convert anyone to anything in BeggarBoy’s comment. I’ve never seen an atheist attempt to convert anyone to atheism. I’ve seen nasty arguments on the internet but that’s it. I have seen and spoken to many people who would like to save me from my atheism however.

You showing coming disrespect for Christianity speaks more about you than it does about Christians.  
You are a pathetic excuse for a human.  

Talk about stupid fooocks – you took the prize.

The concept of Free Will conflicts with the attributes of the god that most people describe as existing. But before all those on this forum go apeshit regarding the concept of Free Will, perhaps you should read up on the concept. It is discussed by physicists and philosophers at great length and in relation to quantum physics.

As for the Atheist comment, well, I agree as I am quite antireligious. I have seen various stupid statements like Atheists are “zealous in their nonbelief” or some such nonsense, but it is merely thinking it is important that people stop believing in BS fariy tales and grow up. Its frustration really. The simplemindedness it takes to believe in a religion literally bleeds over to other areas of discourse and causes societal problems based on the decisions of such thought processes. There are atheists that are not well-steeped in philosophy or science and may not be great critical thinkers as they arrived at atheism in an emotional or default way, but that doesnt mean that ludicrous beliefs shouldnt be shown to be what they are.

I think Jon Stewart’s siding with religious people and condemning the Atheists comes from his general main stream liberal attitude. I am not sure where it comes from or what degree of thought has gone into it, but it seems that there is a general liberal attitude to act almost parental toward religious people rather than oppose. I guess such folks just pretend they dont think (religious) beliefs are crazy because they believe it has no ill effect or that it is pointless–I’m really not sure. To me, the whole advocacy on the part of Atheism is not the same as advocating some religion. Advocating on the part of Atheism is the advocating of critical thought and science and trying to show all of the BS of religions. The only way a person could attempt to make Atheism like a religion is by being dishonest or stupid.

Jon Stewart why do athists care about the cross made of metal found after 9/11 to me that is a sign of hope. I can’t stand Atheisits making a big deal out of nothing I don’t care that you don’t believe in god or jesus but don’t be making a big deal about a freaking cross or prayer either it isn’t harming you anyway shape or form.

Once again, what the heck are you talking about. I just went and look all over out the website. You asked: “Find me one right wing position on their site. How about one republican candidate they back?” I say, find me ANY candidate they back! Find me ANY political matter that isn’t about Atheism. There is no political issue on that site that does not directly pertain to an Atheist issue. No politicians are highlighted for support, left or right. Once again, you are making connections that aren’t there. It is apolitical EXCEPT for Atheist issues. 

@Gunnar: Awesome, that’s not really the issue here though. If you were able to read you’d know I was an agnostic. Go moan about the fictitiousness of religions to someone who cares.

@Blow Hard: If Adam existed I suppose he wouldn’t. There would be no need for an umbilical cord and therefore no belly button.

In 1892, the Supreme Court of the United States gave what is known as
the Trinity Decision. In that decision they declared, “this is a
Christian nation.” http://ow.ly/5Vml6 Most people incorrectly think the phrase “separation of church and state phrase” is in the Constitution. http://ow.ly/5Vmfq 

The Constitution specifically provides that ‘congress shall make no law
respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise
thereof.’

Our government is independent of all religions but that doesn’t lessen the fact that the cross at ground zero is an exercise in free speech, free religious speech protected by the 1st Amendment.

For those of you who like to spout rhetoric and talking points, perhaps you might serve yourself well to open a history book.

I’m not sure how someone like Sewicyde could be this flagrantly stupid. Are you TRYING to make atheists look like idiots?

 Most of the founding fathers were devoutly religious many of them actually preachers or former preachers.

Of the 55 delegates to the 1787 Constitutional Convention, 49 were Protestants, and three were Roman Catholics – by  today’s standards some would even have been considered “Fanatical”.

 They were DEFINITELY NOT against organized religion VERY in favor of it. What they WERE passioinate about is keeping undue religious influence OUT of politics – seperation of church and state – Please open a history book once in a while.

And btw to the guy who said “In God we trust only appeared on our money in the 1950s …” The phrase has appeared on U.S. coins since 1864 and on PAPER currency since 1957.

Strange that an Atheist would deal in 1/2 truths?

Methinks we fed a troll. 

Tells you where our Country is going doesn’t it.  A Mosque….really. Muslims are the ones against this country…then they get a Mosque in the middle of the whole situation. Talk about being socked in the face by those killed. This country should be ashamed of how we except this rediculous religion. Not all Muslims are radicals, but for goodness sakes why slap the relatives of the dead. Typical of New York. They probably think that if they give in to Muslims then they will leave them alone. That’s not how  radicals work.

Another Muslim….does that tell you something?

I must apologize for my remarks about Muslims ….I just resent the fact that they think we need to be bombed and destroyed. In their minds we are infidals and not worth of life.  It makes a person really upset when I have a grandson over there fighting this stupid war just because they think this way. We have killed alot of our soldiers because of their radical ways. Muslims are not all this way; just like it doesn’t matter than Obama is a black president.  A person shouldn’t pick out a certain religion. But it does strick a cord of discontent within me. Does that make me a bad American? I hate seeing my country victomized.

well at least i’m not a bitter expat in italy who pretty much blog/posts ALL DAY LONG while changing her picture every five seconds.  i have a j o b and pay my taxes in america. 

and i’m not lazy/stupid enough to quote “DailyKos” or “Huffpo” or “MediaMatters” to prove a point re liberalism because it will automatically demonstrate that i can’t find better resources or less partisan resources.  hence, I make an actual effort to solicit a diversity of links to show reason/facts.

so, yeah, sara.  you’re lazy when you post links to such stupid sites as newsbusters (or Drudge or WingNutDaily).  and i think you’re actually better than that.

And sweetpea — no one pretends like JStew doesn’t go after the right less than the left.  But pretending like he’s an ObamaBot or a Democratic Shill also is complete BS. 

It’s his show.  His schtick is comedy and the current GOP is comedy gold. 

That said, he rips on Dems and Obama when they make idiots of themselves.  Thing is, those of us who WATCH THE SHOW know that.

I admire your well stated logic and share your attitude towards religion(s).

I will only disagree with your last paragraph in that I get a different feeling about Stewart’s religion. I believe (feel) he is sincerely religious in a moderate way. He doesn’t side with “main stream liberal media,” either to keep his ratings up or to fit the parental mode. The same goes for Colbert, the other half of the comedy tag-team. Colbert really is a Catholic, but he sees the laughable elements of that variation of Christianity and has fun pointing them out.

I see no problem with a scientist knowing with certainty that the Bible is not God’s Word, yet still believing in a God, just because it feels right to him. You (generic, not personal) cannot prove a religion’s value with science, but you cannot disprove it.

That is exactly what John Stewart was saying.

actually, they believe that there is no proof for the existence of God: a-theist.  or without God.  that there is not enough proof, in the face of what we know, to justify/support a belief.  surprisingly, there is a lot of variation amongst atheists.

i guess you can say i believe in “nothing” (kind of untrue, utterly simplistic).  i certainly don’t believe in the “supernatural”.

A Muslim is a liberal?

North and South America, yes.
You should read history.

Bad guys use religion for personal reasons, like power, money, or an excuse for revenge.
Good people also “use” religion, but in a good way.

not always on Sunday, sara. 

see “Shabbat” and/or Seventh Day Adventists.

You will be surprised to know that this liberal respects your position and I agree that it would be very, very wrong to use one cent of the taxes you pay to support abortion.

On the other hand, I believe abortions should be legal, and would support a fund that would pay the abortion bill for a raped woman (as one example) without using taxes.

Now, what about the people who think the death penalty is wrong? Do they get a tax exemption?

I’m not a Jew either, so I guess I should keep my mouth shut on what the Nazis wanted to do with them, and I’m not black so I guess I should keep my mouth shut on the economic needs of the slave owners circa 1850? Your long dance still ends with man has not right to judge the killing of innocents by other man, which is crazy town.

Of course it doesn’t, but that life deserves a chance to live. We know every abortion ends in a murder, maybe if your eyes weren’t busy in the back of your skull you could wake up and see that you support murder, and my money to do it with.

Like the right to keep your own money from going to support murder. Or denying an innocent baby the right to live.

I don’t support those wars either.

So a human life just springs from thin air one day when a baby can think? (hocus pocus) What about severally mentally retarded people? What about people who are in a coma? What about people who are asleep, all of these people are not conscious, therefore open to killing in your world. Masturbation is not murder because it is simply a sperm cell, which is not a human. Once that sperm has fertilized the egg it is a human, world of difference.

Are you guys really this thick? How can you not understand that atheist still believe in morality (which is reality based instead of imaginary commandments)and in that morality it is not proper for humans to end the lives of other innocent humans.

Troll is just the only word your little brain can come up with when confronted by someone who actually stands on principles, logic, and morality. It is so foreing to you that you can’t conceive of someone actually having it.

The death penalty is not issued to innocent people (yes before you fly of the handle I know DNA has proven many people innocent, i get that, but I’m talking in the eyes of the law, which is all a civilized society can go by in order to remain a society. I think you should have the right to vote and speak for ending the death penalty at every opportunity, but we must have order for braking our major crimes. In the end its really not nice to keep people in cages for the rest of their lives, but society has to decide what its standards are. This is one of the few and only proper roles for why we need a government at all. I also think that you could make the death penalty privately funded and it would do just fine.

o.k. then – who knew?  All that space “occupied” and all those people pushed out of the way.  

you believe in the “big nothing”, like I stated.  Not simplistic at all – you either believe in a higher being or you believe in NOTHING. 

Causes sometimes come back to  bite you in the ass  when your least expecting John.  It sure sounds like the atheists got your goat bro. Hate is a powerful thing. Was your daddy one of those spitting hate at us returning Vietnam vets ?. They put a mighty big load of hate on us. It was an especially hard hateful return for those like me that were drafted by a democrat president. Perhaps your surrounded by too many baby boomer babies that grew up in households where saying  Vietnam veterans were baby killers  &  rapists was okay. .

You and Pablo have me all wrong. I’m not gleefully throwing shit at them out of a merciless dislike of their philosophical views, I’m demanding that they quit trolling and clean up their public image because when they pull shit like this, it makes all of us look bad.

I side with the atheists or agnostics.  The religious would hang crosses and korans and anything else from every lamp post and tree if we didn’t keep them under control.  They’re always pushing their  on evbelief systems on everybody.  The churches are on every corner, if I want to go I will go but don’t force it on me.

Fact: A stretch. Misread the story above? Cross fell
from the tower and was going to be used as a symbol of hope. No one is asking
for more displays. Swing and a miss.

No, I think I understood you perfectly.

actually, sheeeeeeit did not miss the point.  a female can go into a sperm bank and acquire the means for fertilization.  but he judgemental male (DaveKisor) would not be present.  a female could also just go out, have a fling and NEVER tell the sperm donor about the pregnancy.  a woman/wife COULD go out and have an abortion (in some states) without the spouse/boyfriend ever knowing.

and yes, surfergrl, she usually does get to demand child support (and receive it).  would you let a man tell you to have an abortion?  the man who got you pregnant?  and might you request child support for your kid?

here’s the thing.  only the female’s body is involved once there is a sperm deposit.  HER body begins to nuture the development of the fetus, then it directs its own development.  HER uterus changes shape, HER hips widen, HER breasts become larger and eventually produce milk.  HER organs shift and become a “punching bag” for the developing fetus.  THEN she either delivers vaginally (may tear, etc.) or has layers of muscle/tissue cut through to bring the baby into the world.

I make make it sound like I deem men worthless, but I don’t.  but none of the fathers I know pretend like they share a substantial amount of the burden regarding pregnancy/childbirth/nursing.  and they’re not selfish enough to tell a woman how to deal with this process.  they have feelings, but understand it’s not their place to make a decision.

now, when they get themselves a uterus and the capability to grow a human being, we can revisit the weight their voice gets to carry.

Atheists are more ridged and authoritarian than agnostics.  I saw a study that showed agnostics were smarter than atheists, because flexibility is necessary for critical thinking.  

What about tax funded executions?  Death row inmates were fetuses at one time.

That’s when the soul enters the body.

Don’t you realize that making abortions illegal won’t stop them from happening?  Rich women will just hop on a jet to a legal country, and poor women will go to the back alley.  No baby should be unwanted.  The focus needs to be on educating women on preventing unwanted pregnancies.

Soviet communism, an estimated 100 million people murdered. Chinese communism, an estimated 60 million people murdered. Cambodian communism, an estimated 2-3 million people murdered. Yeah, I guess those people defending us during the cold war were just plain paranoid!

i believe that i am incredibly fortunate to be a sentient being whose origins were stardust.  i am humbled and awed by the universe, by the process of creating life.  i believe that other sentient beings exist in our vast, vast universe because statistically speaking, its impossible/improbably that other forms of life aren’t out there.  i am amazed at how my genus/species evolved and has the ability to create (hieroglyphics, language, art, life, buildings, etc).  i believe in being moral, responsible, respectful to my fellow citizens and planet.  i certainly don’t believe that morality stems from religion and i believe it can (and does) exist wholly separate from religious faiths.   

i just don’t believe that there’s an afterlife. but i think we do “go on” whether via genes being passed, our words/art/expression being passed to the next generation.  and i’m very fortunate to be aware of my existence on this teensy little planet on some outward spiral of the Milky Way galaxy and get to share this experience with others.  so if that’s a big fat nothing to you, so be it. 

but, you are correct — i no longer believe in a higher being/supernatural, no matter what name(s) it wants to go by.

Right, who are they to freely expresses their religion? 

The Constitution clearly states that it defends those who want too suppress the free expression of religion… or something.

Oh, it defends the free expression of religion?  Bummer, what amendment?  The First?

Man that ALWAYS gets in the way of using fascist dictatorship-style power to control others and stop them from doing things that I don’t like… right Doug?

‘but “what if you can’t afford a $5 frappuccino and yet still have genitals?”’

Well John, some people can’t afford to eat… but we don’t give food stamps to every single person in the nation because of this… do we?

Or is birth control more important than food now?

I’m pro-Christian but I generally side with the atheists to keep the Muslims at bay.  Perfect example was when O’Reilly was arguing for the Christian judge to be allowed to hang the Ten Commandments in the courthouse.  I was against it because I KNOW that some muslim judge somewhere will demand that he be allowed to hang muslim stuff inside the courthouse and we couldn’t stop him.  I know it’s not fair but I look at the world as it is and not the way I would like it to be.  They don’t need to be hanging gigantic crosses every where.  Plenty of churches around to worship in.

I see them everywhere on the side of roads and highways when someone dies.  Give it a rest.  That’s what the cemetery is for, flowers and crosses.  People just don’t understand that I’m not interested in what they believe in.  They put a cross by the side of the road and then everyone has to look at it every day and be depressed.

For all those who hit “like” to muchadoaboutstupid, can you tell me if the 5.5 million dollars they requested from the 9-11 fund was granted? I would honestly would like to know.

Yes fetus = innocent human. Death row inmate = scum that broke the social contract and did something horrible to someone else. A moral society has the right to punish those that most severally break its laws. You as a citizen have a right to vote against the death penalty and instead pay to keep humans in cages for their entire lives (either way their freedom is over). I myself am on the fence about the death penalty (but would not be heart broken if they were funded privately and carried out under rule of law. If we don’t fund punishment of criminals or killing through military defense, than their is zero use or purpose for a government at all.

No louise I didn’t know that, wooow you are so profound and wise. Of course people will still committ crimes against one another, no matter what law is passed. But if you outlaw abortions than no legal abortions can take place. What I’m against here is the moral and legal sanction by our government to say it’s perfectly fine to kill an innocent human, and really upset that they force those who don’t believe in them to pay for others to do it. You are against a baby being unwanted, but fine with it being dead, awesome. I agree that the ultimate solution is education and the best educator is the fear that getting pregnant will end up with a child or jail time for killing that child. It’s a harsh reality, but humans mainly respond to consequences.

Louise, it’s like you telling someone who is against the state using the death penalty that vigilante gangs will still kill for ‘justice.’ Even if that is true, it doesn’t change the fact that you don’t want people killed in the name of your government, your laws, and your money.

good explanation.  Enjoyed it.  Obviously I see things in a different light, but that’s what makes the world go round.  

Where do you think your “moral” belief stems from?  I know it’s none of my business, just curious.

Thanks

This is the United States of America we have freedom of expression as long as it is not physically violating another
Liberty is a constitutional right. The athiests have the right to look the other way they don’t own the land the piece of metal that resembles a cross stands on. 
they should get a life

I agree that atheists have a right to express their ideas and to ask for equal time, and so, let them have it! The question is, let them have what? They have a symbol or something? Or is their ideological expression to demand that other symbols be removed? If they have a symbol they should put it up and let others put theirs up too. Why complain about other peoples religious symbols when those have always been around and continue to be used as expressions of their faith? Atheist ideology is by default represented by the absence of symbols associated with their ”organized ideology” or the lack of, as compared to other religious groups. If its a question of equal time then why complain only about the cross? Why atheists can’t be content to allow other people to express their faith in the same way that they want to express their own lack of faith? Its a world of sharing and living in harmony no matter what differences we have as humans; different cultures, languages, religions, etc., it amazes me that in this day and age there are groups out there wanting to impose their beliefs on others. Learn to live!!!

Actually, I am for the death penalty. Of course I would hope that there could always be absolute proof that the defendant did commit a truly horrible crime, etc.
On the other hand some states like Michigan, have never had a death penalty, and the murder rate is no higher or lower than states with the death penalty. So, I can’t/won’t justify it with logic. I just find it satisfying to do the “eye for an eye” thing. Some people do deserve to die.

I suppose a guy calling himself Devil’s Spawn can’t be an atheist. Right?

Bingo!

This is an atheistic(antitheistic since they seem to complain about their ideals being labeled as atheist though they parade themselves as such) group. They generally are extremely bigoted to Muslims as well. These fools were probably apposed to both. Know what you are talking about first before labeling a side you don’t agree with. Especially seeing that these people are bigoted towards what you claim they should be.

Actually groups like this tend to be extremely bigoted towards muslims as well. When they are activists parading around the term atheism they generally are.

Jorgealbvaz,  do you mind putting “a few” or the word “some” in front the word Atheist in your comment. Atheists are no more unified into a single block in what we believe or don’t believe (besides the primary belief there is no God) then all religious people are unified in all things besides believing in the existence of God.

really? says who? excuse her that she didn’t quote Media Matters…now that org has a lot of credibility (on the left :-)…

Fact: The roadside crosses are a bit overdone but I haven’t had a loss that way but maybe pull it up after 90 days?

you wish you were an expat in Italy :-) , travelling and learning and cross-cultural communicating  actually opens the mind, despite what you might think…unfortunately you probably never stepped out of your neck of the wood, reason why you are such an ignoramus  and a narrow-minded individual  who thinks that whoever happens to have different views than yours and who quotes different sources than yours are necessarily ‘lazy’ or misguided…name one of that ‘less partisan resources’ that informs your oh, so not biased views…and also refer some of the links that you make such an effort to ‘solicit’  :-)…like in googling them or what, wow, that takes some effort :)…
PS do you have a problem with Americans expats ‘paying taxes in other countries’? Shouldn’t that be their choice?  Oh, I forgot, you liberals would want to dictate where people should live and where they should pay taxes too….maybe you should request the removal of her citizenship because she spend too much time on the internet, blogs too often from Italy and pays taxes there :-) ? darn, these wingnuts, how unpatriotic of them :-)…..But then I guess this only shows how the multitude or resources that you consult daily (like the Daily Show a.o. :-)  have turned you into person with such a wide horizon  who has a lot of  tolerance for all views expressed as long as they match your ideology and as long as they don’t quote ‘Newsbusters’ or Drudge :-)  and fyi (and it only goes to show your immense ignorance), one cannot ‘post links to Drudge’, because Drudge doesn’t publish anything, Drudge is an aggregate website that links, at its turn to other publications from all over the political spectrum…

no, you’re just bitter. and perhaps just a teeny bit jealous. 

i worked for 20 years and paid my taxes in America. I moved. I now live in Italy and I have a freelance job here. Is it your business how I spend my day? I don’t think so, *avoidswork*. oh, and newsbusters is not a stupid site. and there was nothing wrong with that link, or study. And anyone who WATCHES THE SHOW knows who he goes after the majority of the time. And as I have said numerous times, I like his show. His problem is he does ONE THING and SAYS another when called on it. 

i know it’s hard for you to fathom, but i was teasing, hence the ;O).

my in laws actually go on Saturday, but mass is 7 days a week here. I know, because I can’t escape the bells that ring right outside my window.

Atheists are nothing but self loathing evil people.  Hate is their mantra.  Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz showing some spunk in that 5’4 frame of his.

Every once in a while, one of Stewart’s legion of writers gets it right, er correct.
Atheist busybodies are just that: bored, contemptuous human beings who spew “hate” (how dignified of them) toward Christians mostly. Where is their outrage re: symbols that represent another faith, one of violence as a precept?
Never Mind …

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I guess by that definition Bill you’d be a mass murderer, huh?   :-D

How do you know the cross at Ground Zero is offensive to people of other faiths?  Please provide a link to prove your (erroneous) assertion.  Your opinion is irrelevant.

4 individuals? And you can remember only 3 of them?   Really?  LOL!

You’re far worse than the right wing could ever be.

Even liberals like Jon Stewart hate atheists now.  What a joke you are.

Interesting that an atheist defends certain religions.  Hypocrite.  Militant Christians didn’t murder 3000 Americans that day, doofus.

Not real bright but perennially pissed off!

Unlike the bad joke in the White House who is responsible for our first ever credit downgrade. 

What “poll” is that, Howard?  The one you just made up?  lol  Obama’s being blamed plenty for the mess we’re in–his approvals are in the low forties.  His numbers are going to be worse than GWB’s after people realize Obama’s responsible for our credit downgrade.

Three years of Obama’s disastrous economic policies have brought our country to ruin and you losers are still blaming Bush.  You’re not fit to govern and Americans will throw you out –again–in 2012.

You obviously don’t watch anyone on the right.  Stewart’s in the tank for the left–give me a break.

it was so government could not tell you what religion you had to believe in, they all believed that any religion should be able to use federal buildings for meeting places…..in  a nut shell…..oh wait not in history books??? hmmmm wonder why!!!!!!

Atheists are not content to just NOT BELIEVE. That would be pretty simple. They seem compelled to forcefully stand in the way of those who are comforted by religious beliefs. Very ugly people.

So, is it just the “Roadside Display” that you’re against, because the thought of death depresses you, or is it the Cross itself.?? Would it ease your depression if we switched the symbol to a pile of rocks, indicating that someone died there, or would that depress you just as much.?? The Cross is a symbol of hope for Christians… So, could it be that “Hope” itself is what triggers your depression, whenever you see a cross, because you’re constantly reminded that others have it and you don’t.???

There is a difference between Hope and Faith.  The Obama voters had hope and we see how that turned out.  I think you’re referring to faith.  Actually I would prefer nothing there at all.  That’s what the cemetery is for, grieving for lost ones.  You have to be careful that society does not become overwhelmed (as in 9-11 which was way overdone) by loss.  People who put flowers and crosses by the road are trying to share their loss, I understand that.  They want all of us to know someone they loved died on that spot.  I just don’t think the side of the road is a place for a tombstone.

That’s why I don’t want it there, for exactly the reason you listed.  I like France’s idea of religious freedom.  You can pray until the cows come home but don’t push it on people publicly.

Careful, you may hurt your arm patting yourself on the back there. Just because you start a topic on abortion (well technically birth control, which you linked to abortion, so you’re creative. I will give you that) on a story about a religious symbol in a 9/11 memorial. Now I don’t know about you, but a troll to me is someone trolling for responses. Now I am not saying you aren’t the logical, principle, and moral (lets not forget humble and meek) man you say you are, I am saying hijacking a conversation using the most divisive issue the country has faced in the last 50 years, sort of feels like trolling.

But lets take the bait…

You don’t wish to pay for a woman’s birth control pill, because the pill causes woman to not build up a uterine lining, thus a possible fertilized egg may then be purged. OK, but that argument is a kin to saying you don’t want to pay for roads because people may drive drunk.

So lets see how moral you are… Are you against the government making bombs and weapons? What about predator drones? There has been far more collateral damage in the war on terror than actual killing of “bad guys.” Some woman and children were killed, and I am sure a few women who recently had a fertilized egg. What about the death penalty? Granted a zygote has done nothing wrong, but state sanctioned killing is still paid for by federal dollars.

I agree, atheist groups like this do their cause no good by pettiness like the opposition of the cross on federal land in Sand Diego and such.

But all Americans, and those of other nationalities died in the WTC on 9/11. Don’t remove the cross. In fact, if it weren’t even ‘officially’ recognized as Christian but as a t-shaped artifact fine. People can see what they want in it.

But here’s a crazy idea. Just have a small adjacent area or plaque also recognizing the other faiths/or no faith represented among the fallen. Is it really so hard for us to come to such a simple compromise and be courteous to each other?

………but…but those are your people you little teeny, tiny, left wing hypocrite….you.

I wonder which was harder for this phoney…this or his buddy’s weiner? 

Either one, he punked out on both in the true ( cowardly ) liberal way…….An atom made of tiny crosses…..REALLY Stewy?

PS: Lou Dobb’s wife is Hispanic by the way, but that was a ‘ goot ‘ one.

I didn’t link this out of nowhere if you watch the clip, I’m just tearing down Jon Stewart’s strawman that it’s all about some crazy religious feelings (speaking as an atheist). And yes I am against publicly funded roads, but not for that reason. It would be a more acurate analogy if you said the driver was driving blind folded down a road that he knew to have a person on it 2 days out of the week. I’m against the war on terror, but for a countries right to defend itself, just as I would not prosecute a person for a murder if they shot a pregnant woman who had a gun and was about to shoot at that person.

I didn’t link this out of nowhere if you watch the clip, I’m just tearing down Jon Stewart’s strawman that it’s all about some crazy religious feelings (speaking as an atheist). And yes I am against publicly funded roads, but not for that reason. It would be a more acurate analogy if you said the driver was driving blind folded down a road that he knew to have a person on it 2 days out of the week. I’m against the war on terror, but for a countries right to defend itself, just as I would not prosecute a person for a murder if they shot a pregnant woman who had a gun and was about to shoot at that person.

I don’t care much one way or the other about a cross at the memorial, but as an Atheist, I do shake my head about the whole affair. 

We (Americans, all of us) were violently attacked in the name of religion. 

And since we fight amongst ourselves about mosques to close to the site and crosses at the site, spewing hatred at one another.  Again, every mean spirited word in the name of religion.

I have a thought, why not put a peace sign at the site and hold a hope that we can find a way to stop violience in the name of religous belief.

Naw, your right, the militant christians only murdered millions from the council of nicea to the inquisition and the holocaust… my bad…

The point I am trying to make is that if you want freedom of religion, YOU don’t get to choose the religion.  Muslims have just as many rights as christians under the laws of the USA.  If you disagree, then I suggest you tell your church to close up shop, too.

Really?  So what about all the churches that are built Jewish neighbourhoods?  Certainly the constant reminder of what Hitler and his SS did to them would be considered a slap in the face from the Chrisitans, don’t you think?

Tell you what, I’ll agree that we should close down all the mosques and synagogues in the country if you agree to close all the churches, too.  That way none of my atheist sensibilities will ever be offended again!

News flash: John Stewart is an atheist.  And we are the only part of the population that is GROWING right now…  ”One nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all!”

What is that, atheists comprise about .5% of our population now?  Christians comprise about 80%–you have a ways to go.

Just remember that liberty and justice for all includes Christians, too.

Muchadoaboutstupid fits you perfectly.  Convenient that you omitted the multiple tens of millions of innocent people slaughtered by atheists like you in the 20th century. Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin and Castro are the perfect embodiment of atheists’ hatred toward people of faith.

I’m not the one who has a problem with freedom of religion–that would be you, hater.

Well, if those Christians had just commiteed an atrocity killing 3000 Jews on that very site they would have a point.  Stupidity like yours offends me every day.

Try 16%, and still growing… The younger generations are waking up, Secular Student Associations are on the rise, and people are starting to notice that the gospel you have been feeding them is bull***t.

And believe me, I agree 100% that liberty and justice extends to christians, too.  But remember, your right to swing your arm stops at my face.  Similarly, your right to practice your religion is ONLY a right as long as it does not infringe of the freedoms of others.  The promotion of a chrisitan god by the US government is a violation of the freedoms of non-christians and the separation of church and state (it’s in your constitution, the treaty of Tripoli, and the bill of rights).

You can go to church every day of the week, for all I care.  The second you try to shove it down my throat, it becomes a problem.

Muchadoaboutstupid–
16%?  Where’s your link to prove your ridiculous claim?  LOL

Also, cite location of “separation of church and state” in the Constitution.

Talk about bull***t, you freakin’ leftists are full of it.  Like I said before–you’re a joke.

Why not?  During that particular time period, he had more segments mocking democrats than republicans.  Feel free to count

The Christians were outraged that Muslims dared setup a building with a mosque near “ground zero” and yet they’re all too happy to have a Christian cross on “ground zero”

Where do they get off?

Hey, perhaps, if all faiths are allowed a symbol on “ground zero” I’m sure they wouldn’t object to a Satanic symbol being displayed front and centre like their cross!

The Christians were outraged that Muslims dared setup a building with a mosque near “ground zero” and yet they’re all too happy to have a Christian cross on “ground zero”

Where do they get off?

Hey, perhaps, if all faiths are allowed a symbol on “ground zero” I’m sure they wouldn’t object to a Satanic symbol being displayed front and centre like their cross!