This is really big of the chinless wonder.

Was that the worst MTP in 10 years, or what? I know August is a dead news month. This August more so than most without the Tea Partiers’ seething rage and intolerance, but still. Gregory has turned MTP into a show largely about him and nothing else or no one else. A terrible tragedy.

AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

I doubt that a chain email set all this off; more likely it was the NYTimes OpEd in May of 08; but that is just my conjecture (much like Tommy’s conjecture regarding the chain email).

Furthermore, with Chuck Todd telling us that hey – Obama gets daily devotionals via email or twitter or something, how dare we question Obama’s faith.

You folks in the media went after Mitt for his Mormanism; you made fun of Bush because he is a born again….and now, you praise Christianity because Obama claims he is one.

MTP, like the rest of NBC, is a joke.

At NBC/MSNBC:

BOWING BRIAN AND HIS PACK OF LIES
ARE STANDARD FARE FOR AN NBC VIEWER
THERE IS NO DENYING THE DNC TIES
FOR THE FACTS AND TRUTH THEY ALWAYS SKEWER

I didn’t even know MARXISTS followed any religions!!!!

Take him at his word? As if there were any doubt? Born Christian, his father had converted to Christianity before he was born, he has attended church regularly for decades, both of his children were baptized, et cetera, et cetera…..

It’s amazing how the Republican propaganda machine can convince their constituency of anything. I thought the height of ignorance from their camp was the whole “birther” thing. Now this.

All right , you mugs . Big Eddie says get Jeremiah Wright on all the interview shows to remove all doubt .

TfT:

While I think the “born again” nature of W’s religious experience has been distorted by W’s handlers, especially the cynical O’Rove, to appeal to Southern fundamentalists, you have a point as to W. His religious experience is mainline Christian. He was raised an Episcopalian, and he coverted to his wife’s Methodism. One couldn’t get anymore mainline without have had a gig as a Presybterian which, in fact, W’s parents were at one time. Even if W were not in the born again category of Christians, however, I think the extent to which his belief informed and influenced him was unfairly criticized and ridiculed by too many people. I have never doubted his religious bearings, and I have respected him for them.

You’re off base on Romney, however. Christians are the gatekeepers of our own faith. Entry is through baptism. Few Christian denominations and few Christians recognize Mormon baptism. In fact, the mainline churches are in unusual accord in declaring Mormonism a cult. We owe it to our faith, our fathers and our future to so proclaim it. Essentially, it is not negative, but a positive affirmation of what it is to be a Christian. In trying to usurp the faith, Mormons subject themselves to the scrutiny and the sanctions of the faithful in a way that other practices, not claiming the mantle of the faith do not.

AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

NORBIT said:
I didn’t even know MARXISTS followed any religions!!!!

Only the three Abrahamic faiths, to my knowledge.

AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

“In either case, you could argue that it’s technically impossible to bear witness to another’s Christianity without being present for their conversion” TC

Obviously Sen McConnell agrees with you Tommy, which is why he said he takes Pres Obama “at his word”.
Since he wasn’t “present at [Obama's] conversion”, it would be pretty foolish for him to say anything else .

The Real Royal King said:
AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

Why would you use the racially-charged word, ‘crackers?’

It’s really too bad that this is what the press chooses to focus on. The economy is in the tank and just this week it came out that the Dem’s are instructing their soldiers to stop saying Obamacare will lower costs because they are finally admitting what some of us knew all along, that it was a LIE!! I guess if I were the leftist media, I focus on this faux controversy too.

newzmaker said:
Why would you use the racially-charged word, ‘crackers?’
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The Real Royal King said:
AT FOX:
BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

We had a “poet ” in Cellblock C up at Q . Pansy was writing ” poetry ” until his cellmate / wife and he got divorced . It may have involved a shank .

Big Eddie said:
We had a “poet ” in Cellblock C up at Q . Pansy was writing ” poetry ” until his cellmate / wife and he got divorced . It may have involved a shank .

This idiot sits here and defends islam/sharia law, daily; the very religion which would behead he and his ‘partner’, if given the opportunity. What a fool.

*him and his partner

Tommy…please don’t quote some speech Obama has given in the past as truth.

When he starts with one of his teleproptor speechs, truth is loosly defined.

In short…he can tell some Whoppers!

MichelleF said:
It’s really too bad that this is what the press chooses to focus on. The economy is in the tank and just this week it came out that the Dem’s are instructing their soldiers to stop saying Obamacare will lower costs because they are finally admitting what some of us knew all along, that it was a LIE!! I guess if I were the leftist media, I focus on this faux controversy too.

Giddyup!

AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

newzmaker said:
Why would you use the racially-charged word, ‘crackers?’

“Cracker” originally applied to anyone from Georgia, and it was used primarily by people from Alabama. It remains a very good word, and to my knowledge, a Cracker can be of any race, ethnicity or religion.

Must bother you.

AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

The Real Royal King said:
“Cracker” originally applied to anyone from Georgia, and it was used primarily by people from Alabama. It remains a very good word, and to my knowledge, a Cracker can be of any race, ethnicity or religion.

Must bother you.

Actually, I’m a very proud cracker. Only we crackers can call each other crackers, though. A non-cracker using the word cracker, usually calls for opening a can of whup-ass, in most places. Don’t leave the safety of your mom’s basement. LOL.

Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot says:

Giddyup!

WOW, great rebuttal!

MichelleF said:
Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot says: Giddyup! WOW, great rebuttal!

Give me something substantive to rebut, and I will do so.

AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

The Real Royal King said:
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS

As a general rule (and moral rule) I don’t usually do this but-

F U you racist bastard. Hell awaits you

I will ignore anything you spew in the future

Situational morality? You must be an O’Beckerhead and O’Hannity fan.

AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

Royal is a prime example of what you turn into after your dick stops working, or your brain melts from untreated syphilis.

If you left-wing media types didn’t spend so much time on this story, it’d go away. You’re trying to help your hero but you’re hurting him. For the record, I don’t think he’s a muslim. I think he’s prolly agnostic or maybe an atheist.

Hillary getting attacked for “stoking the rumor” when she was asked the question (multiple times) and was essentially falling over herself to refudiate the idea Obama was a Muslim is a good example of how completely unserious and lunatic the press was in covering her candidacy.

The Real Royal King said:
“Cracker” originally applied to anyone from Georgia, and it was used primarily by people from Alabama. It remains a very good word, and to my knowledge, a Cracker can be of any race, ethnicity or religion. Must bother you. AT FOX: BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

I’ll be interested to hear Cobra’s take on this. I’m sure he wouldn’t turn a blind eye to something so plump and delicious.

If he does then he can just STFU about Breitbart.

The Real Royal King said:
Situational morality? You must be an O’Beckerhead and O’Hannity fan. AT FOX: BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

Speaking of ‘situational morality’… to all you libs who read this kind of shit and make no comment…. YOU are part of the problem. I have 4 words for you…..

Racist Hypocrite, Know Thyself.

FearMonger, the left suffers from what I like to call, “selective outrage”. And Royal Race-Baiter/Religious Bigot is the biggest offender.

Radical fringe lefties finally defend freedom of religion, but it’s a religion which believes gays are nasty perverts, whom are worthy of death; treats women as less than human; and has no tolerance for other religions. If this doesn’t prove these fringers are brain dead, what will? The so-called Dem ‘elites’ in Washington, have these brain dead morons, as their base? LOL.

For God’s sake I will say it one more time: BHO is not a Muslim———— as far as I know.

If he’d just produce his LFBC, Long Form Baptismal Certificate, we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. If he doesn’t have something to hide, why won’t he produce it? And, why isn’t Orly Taitz, extension school attorney, real estate agent, dentist and wig model involved in this? Is she a Muslim?

AT FOX:

BIAS, INTOLERANCE WE DON’T ESCHEW.
AS TO MUSLIMS, WE’RE PROUDLY BOLD ATTACKERS.
OUR INFORMATION’S SKIM, OUR FACTS ARE FEW,
WE JUST PANDER TO OUR DEVOUT CRACKERS.

Obama’s church in Chicago was Christian, but practiced black liberation theology. It was to Christianity what Jeffrey Dahmer was to fine dining.

Actually, Obama sat in this church for 20 years, which has adopted, “The Black Value System.” If Obama wasn’t aware of what was being taught in this church, he must have slept in church for 20 years. LOL. Personally, I wouldn’t label this particular Baptist church, as your conventional Baptist church. To each his own, though, when it comes to freedom of religion.

http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=114

Tommy writes:

Of course, the 18% who believe he’s a Muslim have also probably made up their minds whether or not to vote for him, and at least they don’t think he’s the Anti-Christ, right? Or, heaven forbid, a Mormon?

And then he follows it immediately with:

What I find more disturbing is the larger issue of Americans’ misplaced emphasis on religion, and the media who go along with it.

I guess he got that one right.

Tommy:

You still haven’t answered the question as to why your criticism of Beck holding a fund raiser on 8/28 is bad while also criticizing the ground zero debacle is bad.

Because most Murcuhns are simply intellectually ignorant.

Good Lord (and I DO mean THE Lord). Since when do others get to “take us at our word” regarding our faiths? What is this another inquisition? My relationship with God is none of your business. It is the most vital, important, intimate and private thing in my life. Keep your sticky fingers out of my spirituality. But, if you do insist on “inquiring,” please ask the pseudo-christian hate mongers like Tom Emmer or his buddies in “you can run” whether or not they are actually Christian. They want the destruction, even murder, of American Citizens who are not like them (YCR states this disgusting belief openly… Emmer just donates to them). How is it that this became one of the public “faces” of my faith? As a devout, life-long, Christian I resent this speculation about anyone’s love of God. Most, the VAST majority of, Muslims are not the “bogey man.” I am far more leery of the “grand inquisitors.” My own ancestors were Quaker martyrs, whose only crime was standing up to puritans who objected to resistance and the Quaker belief that the light of God exists in everyone… and that we should try to see it. The Baptists (I was baptized in a Four-Square Baptist Church almost 40 years ago) hate the Catholics, the Catholics hate the gays, Methodists don’t accept them, the “peace churches” are a threat to the control of the “party line” of the church, fundamentalists (of every variety and faith hate everyone different from them) …. oh yeah and ALL Muslims are against America. When does it end? Who is perfect enough to pass the test? People who think they can assess the depth and quality of another person’s love of God … are the “bogey man” and we should all be afraid…. Very, very afraid (and really angry too… angry enough to return our churches to places of love, acceptance and faith). Take back the church from hate mongers.

KMLake, thanks for reminding me that the normally quiet majority of religious people are basically good. I so often see supposed Christians casting metaphorical stones and failing to turn the other metaphorical cheek that I forget that. I was all set to write an excoriating post about religion, but you really took the wind out of my sails.

Instead, I’ll look at the charges that Barack Obama is a Muslim. I don’t care if he’s a Muslim or not. I’m not a Christian or a Muslim, and I don’t hold either faith in particularly high regard. Since I’ve got no axe to grind, I can be pretty impartial in reviewing the evidence.

First, let’s look at his name. Barack Hussein Obama. It certainly sounds pretty foreign to my American ears at least. One of the claims John King and others have made to support the idea that Obama is a Muslim is that “his father gave him a Muslim name.” His father, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr, named Barack after himself, as is common in many cultures, including ours. But is the name even Muslim?

Barack is a common name in Kiswahili for people of all faiths in Eastern Africa. In Kiswahili, it means “blessing.” It’s roots are in the Bible, not the Koran. Barak was the commander of the Army of Deborah, prophetess of the Hebrew Bible. He was a member of the Israelite tribe of Naphtali, second son of Jacob with Bilhah. The story of his defeat of the Canaanite armies that had been oppressing Israelites for decades is told in the Book of Judges, chapters 4 and 5. The name “Barack” would more accurately be called an African name, or at best a name of Semetic origins, than a Muslim name.

Hussein, on the other hand, is of Arabic origin. It is a common boys name among Muslims. It means “good, small handsome one.” It’s common among Muslims because the grandson of Mohammad, Husayn ibn ‘Ali ibn Abi Talib was an important and heroic figure in Islam. Besides being the grandson of the prophet, he was also a martyr, an Imam, and one of the “Fourteen Infallibles” of Twelver Shi’ah Islam, fourteen historical figures from the 6th to 9th century that are believed to have “Ismah,” which means “divinely bestowed freedom from error and sin.”

I didn’t mean to hit enter there yet heh. Continuing the last post:

Obama is a common surname among the Luo tribe, one of the three largest ethnic groups in Kenya. The vast majority of modern Luo are Christian, though some are Muslim.

So where did Barack Hussein Obama Sr get the name then? Obviously from his father, who was born Onyango Obama, and the traditional Lua pagan faith. He converted to Catholicism and then later Islam before Barack Sr was born, adopting the name Hussein upon conversion. So Barack Sr’s Muslim middle name came from his father, and so did Barack Jr’s Muslim middle name. Based on two of his three names not being Muslim, and the one Muslim name he does have being passed down for 3 generations, I think it’s fair to say that this is not compelling evidence that Barack is a muslim.

I’ll continue with other evidence we can consider in another post so the name posts can be close to each other.

Continuing the analysis of whether or not Barack Obama is a muslim:

Barack’s grandfather converted to Islam, and had his wives (yes, he was also a polygamist) convert as well. His son, Barack Sr, was born a Muslim. In the quote in Tommy’s article, Obama claims that his father was “basically agnostic,” but he’s lied, or at least exaggerated, about his father before. He claimed that his father was able to attend the University of Honolulu thanks to the charitable efforts of the Kennedys, who were not actually involved in providing scholarships to African students until after he’d gone to college. This claim also seems to be a lie. In his book “My Spiritual Journey,” Obama says of his father, ” … although my father had been raised a Muslim, by the time he met my mother he was a confirmed atheist, thinking religion to be so much superstition.” His conflicting accounts of his father’s religion and the other lie about his father make his claims on this score pretty suspect.

In any event, his parents, married 6 months before his birth, separated before he was six months old, and divorced when he was two. I mention how long they were married before his birth only to point out that, if he WAS a Muslim, Barack Sr can’t have been a very devout one. Muslims are absolutely forbidden to have premarital sex. After the divorce, Obama met his father only once in his life. After divorcing his father, Barack’s mother, a white woman from Kansas named Ann Dunham, met and married Lolo Soetoro when Barack was three. Lolo Soetoro was an Indonesian Muslim. He returned to Indonesia to fight communist rebels when Barack was 4, and Obama and his mother moved to Indonesia to live with Lolo when Obama was six.

It’s been reported that Obama attended a madrassa. That’s true, as far as it goes, since “madrassa” is an arabic word for any type of educational institution. The school Obama attended from 1969-1971 was a state run Indonesian non-secular Muslim school. It’s been reported that the school was a radical Wahhabist madrassa. That claim doesn’t hold up to historical scrutiny, since Wahhabism did not spread significantly to Indonesia until the 1980s, particularly in the form of the sort of Anti-Zionist and Anti-Christian textbooks that mark radical Wahhabi madrassas. His claim that the school was a secular one in the quote above is not true. The students had some religious instruction, and in his book “Dreams from My Father,” Obama wrote “In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell mother I made faces during Koranic studies.” On his enrollment forms, he’s listed as being Muslim.

After attending the state school for two years between the ages of six and eight, Obama attended a Catholic school for two years. His application for that school also listed his religion as Muslim. His teachers report that he prayed with the other children as a Catholic, and in “Dreams from My Father,” he wrote “In the Catholic school, when it came time to pray, I’d pretend to close my eyes, then peek around the room. Nothing happened. No angels descended.”

In 1971, at the age of ten, Obama was sent to live with his maternal grandparents in Hawaii and attended a private Congregational secular school. He remained at that school, Punahou School, until he graduated high school. The Punahou school requires all students to attend chapel services once every week. His mother returned to Hawaii when he was twelve and he lived with her until he went off to college. He started attending Trinity United Church of Christ, a predominantly black Congregationalist church in Chicago, in the 1980s. He was baptised at that church.

Besides the history of his religious instruction, it makes sense to look at Obama himself, and his behavior. If he were Muslim, he would not be able to have a dog, which he does. He would not be able to eat pork, which he does. He would not be able to eat during daylight hours during the month-long Islamic holiday, Ramadan, which he does. He would not be able to smoke, which he does, or at least did while campaigning. He would not be able to drink liquor, which he does. He would be required to pray five times a day, which he does not. If he is a Muslim, he’s about the worst Muslim ever, and certainly not radical.

So with all of that analysis, what conclusions can we reach? Is Obama a Muslim? No. He was baptised as a Christian and adheres to no Muslim requirements. Was he ever a Muslim? Maybe. The school registration records aren’t really smoking guns, since kids don’t really have a religion until they’re old enough to understand it, and they would have put whatever religion his dad was on the form since his mother was not religious. In the broadest sense, he was probably a Muslim when he was a child, the same way I “was a Christian” because I attended Christian services with my family when I was 5 years old or so, despite never having been baptised or believing in the faith. If he was a Muslim, was he a radical Muslim? No, radical Islam had not made any real headway in Indonesia until more than a decade after he’d left, and neither his father nor his stepfather were particularly devout. Is he a Christian? Yes, he attended Christian school for 10 years and was baptised a Christian. Has he lied about his religion? Yes. He did in fact attend a school of Islamic instruction in Indonesia, despite his characterization of it as a secular school, and he alternately claimed that his father was “basically Agnostic” and “a devout Athiest.”

How many of those 18% who think Obama is a Muslim, are Muslim?