Uh oh, it’s a battle of the McC’s, now this is really getting good. Next thing you know they’re gonna be tossing shoes at each others heads. What McCaskill calls “brazenly political”, is known throughout the rest of the country as fiscally conservative. I guess this is what happens when one party has gotten their way for so long, they go nuts when the tables are turned.

Fact: Crazy people want to spend further money that USA will probably never be able to pay back. Democrats stuck on stupid!

LoyalOpposition said:
Uh oh, it’s a battle of the McC’s, now this is really getting good. Next thing you know they’re gonna be tossing shoes at each others heads. What McCaskill calls “brazenly political”, is known throughout the rest of the country as fiscally conservative. I guess this is what happens when one party has gotten their way for so long, they go nuts when the tables are turned.

Even Sarah Palin thinks that McConnell’s plan is stupid.

Sometimes even people who are on the other team say things that are right.

It really matters little at this point. No matter what the compromise is the taxpayers is going to get shaft. The US government has not paid back one penny of the federal debt since 1960 – the Eisenhower administration. These crooks want to increase the debt ceiling by $2 trillion (which at the current rate means they will raise it again in 2012) but cut spending only by $2.4 trillion over a decade. That means they only want to cut $240 billion a year, thats about $100 billion less than our current yearly interest payment on the debt.

Long story short is that it’s a house of card. The US government, with it’s wars and bombing campaigns coupled with corporatism and disgusting spending habits is nothing but a taxpayer funded Enron. It’s going to fall like all empires and fall hard.

I think McConnell’s proposal was brilliant. The reality is that the two sides can’t come together – and it’s not just Republicans who don’t want to raise revenues – Democrats don’t want cuts in any entitlements. So why not pass it off to the Dems and let them answer for the mess. I can’t believe Pelosi and Reid liked the idea…

So, we finally get a story on Mediaite about a Democrat (party in power since 2006) and what is it about? Attacking a Republican as “out of his mind”. Stop the presses!

“…voting to increase the debt ceiling three times before 2012 would be “political suicide.” And since McConnell’s plan would potentially force Democrats into that position, might that be proof that McConnell actually hasn’t lost his mind at all?”

LOL. That is exactly right. If the Democrats want to spend the US into bankruptcy, force them to make that choice publicly by voting for it.

Sen. Claire McCaskill To Morning Joe: ‘I Think Mitch McConnell Has Lost His Mind’

Hop in your private jet , Claire , and help him look for it .

Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill demonstrated her frustration with the process in a humorously loopy appearance on Morning Joe calling the Republican caucus in the House a “hot sloppy mess” and thinking some of her colleagues have become crazy.

That “hot sloppy mess” has put a plan on the table, voted on it and passed it. What has your caucus done, Claire? Oh, and how’s your private jet these days?

We’re now over 800 days since the Democrat controlled US Senate has passed a budget. You know who’s crazy? We are, for paying you useless SOB’s.

Pablo said:
What has your caucus done, Claire?

“There’s no need to have a Democratic budget, in my opinion,” Reid told the Los Angeles Times last week. “It would be foolish for us to do a budget at this stage.”
The last time the Senate passed a budget was April 29, 2009, which was, if you are counting — and Jeff Sessions is — [807] days ago.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/05/dems-breathtaking-refusal-pass-budget

Pablo said:
Oh, and how’s your private jet these days?

Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo) said Monday she will sell her private plane and pay back $287,273 in four years of back taxes, the latest chapter in a politically embarrassing saga for the moderate Democrat facing a tough reelection battle in 2012.

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=CBECA2E1-8FD0-48F6-86B7-8E42BC10CB06

Is it just me or does she look like Chucky?

“Why aren’t the Republicans stepping up and saying we need to get rid of all these tax goodies and lower the corporate rate, lower the individual rate and apply some of the money towards the deficit. That’s the thing that can make the deal right now. And for the life of me, I can’t figure out – I think Mitch McConnell, frankly, has lost his mind.”

TRANSLATION: “Why won’t the Republicans raise taxes so that we can than bash them over the head with it in the 2012 elections and completely demoralize their base so their voting turnout will be depressed? I know why they won’t do it, but I’m going to pretend I don’t because I know nobody in the media will point it out and make me look stupid on TV.”

WOW, did hell just freeze over? I agree with here that McConnell was nuts to even attempt to give the President more power in the debt limit debate.

I never said that establishment Republicans were very smart though. Maybe it is that IQ deminishing storm that is prevalent in the DC area.

The debate should be pretty simple, we are spending 40% then we are taking in. 2012, we cut all departments across the board one quarter of that 40%. Each subsequent year we cut the same amount. Or we allow the Democrats to make suggestions to cut certain things that same amount, that way they actually have to take a stand on cuts. That is pretty much it. Pretty simple.

We all know the Communist……….erm Democrat stand, raise taxes $75 Billion and add another $125 Billion in spending. That is the Democrat plan, Obama has stated it as such.

Not rocket science their McConnell.

here>her deminishing>diminishing

Azarkhan said:
Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo) said Monday she will sell her private plane and pay back $287,273 in four years of back taxes, the latest chapter in a politically embarrassing saga for the moderate Democrat facing a tough reelection battle in 2012.

“You know what we need to do? Raise taxes!!”

Hey, why don’t you start with paying the ones we already have, Claire? Maybe Rangel can help you figure it out. Or Geithner.

I have to say when I saw Chinless Mitch on television the other night, there was an odd, manic look in his eyes. At one point I thought he was going to burst into tears. Then, he looked simply crazed. I can’t say I blame him. So many of his Republican colleagues in Congress are such rabid, angry, unpleasant people with very little concern about the state of America and Americans. It must be distressing to someone who has spent so much time trying to make our system work.

Being from Missouri and having this woman as my Senator I can assure you she is an unethical liar.

Claire, baby, the goal here is to evaporate Obamo and make it clear to the American People that this is all happening on ‘his watch.’ His petulance and irritability (and, frankly, yours) are so wonderful to see. Some ‘Camelot’ you’ve got going there, you Leftist shrew.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
I have to say when I saw Chinless Mitch on television the other night, there was an odd, manic look in his eyes. At one point I thought he was going to burst into tears. Then, he looked simply crazed. I can’t say I blame him. So many of his Republican colleagues in Congress are such rabid, angry, unpleasant people with very little concern about the state of America and Americans. It must be distressing to someone who has spent so much time trying to make our system work.

“Rabid, angry, and unpleasant”….. you not thinking of Grayson are you? He’s gone. Let him wash from all our minds.

“hot sloppy mess” is what claire’s housekeeper calls her morning depends® changing…

tatboy said:
“Rabid, angry, and unpleasant”….. you not thinking of Grayson are you?

I thought it was an apt description of His Real Royal Flatulence and his fellow left wing extremists.

tatboy said:
“Rabid, angry, and unpleasant”….. you not thinking of Grayson are you? He’s gone. Let him wash from all our minds.

I’m pleased Grayson is gone. Couldn’t stand him. As big a pischer as Can’tor. But, since he’s gone, we might want to focus on the rabid, angry and unpleasant Republicans remaining and itching to send our economy back into a tailspin. It would seem a more productive use of our time.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
I’m pleased Grayson is gone. Couldn’t stand him. As big a pischer as Can’tor. But, since he’s gone, we might want to focus on the rabid, angry and unpleasant Republicans remaining and itching to send our economy back into a tailspin. It would seem a more productive use of our time.

why do you hate jews so much? so glad your generation will be gone soon…

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
rabid, angry, unpleasant people

As opposed to the kindly , pleasant gentleman known as Honest Bob .

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Chinless Mitch

Robert dripping with class from every pore of his massive bulk .

Finally! Someone finally said it.

The Lantern of Truth said:
As opposed to the kindly , pleasant gentleman known as Honest Bob .

Robert dripping with class from every pore of his massive bulk .

In all honesty, do you trust a man without a strong chin or a man with a glass jaw?

I see the republican strategy clearly now, and it’s genius. Matt has it right, it proves he’s not nuts. I argue it’s a genius move. The republicans control only one house of congress, so they have little negotiating strength. This move forces better negotiations with Obama. If they don’t come to agreement, then the move gives Obama and democrats the control, and therefore all responsibility. The blame for everything falls on democrats, and a lousy economy was enough to bear.

Great way to either force Obama into real negotiations OR to take full responsibility for spending cuts and tax hikes.

Of all those involved, 0bomber is the unstable one.

=

“Wacked any innocent Afghani children wif your Predator bombs today, Mr. President?”

lane said:
Great way to either force Obama into real negotiations OR to take full responsibility for spending cuts and tax hikes.

Allahpundit saw it the same way:

This achieves two things in one fell swoop: (1) it provides a nearly foolproof mechanism to avoid default armageddon in case the two sides can’t make a deal by August 2, which will reassure markets, and (2) by investing Obama with near-unilateral power to raise the ceiling (it’s not fully unilateral because Congress could, in theory, override him with a 2/3 vote), it makes him almost wholly responsible for the debt hike, which will be a major political liability with the election around the corner and a plurality of voters still more worried about raising the ceiling than letting a default happen. After a month of shrieking from lefty legal experts about how the Fourteenth Amendment supposedly lets O ignore the ceiling, here’s McConnell calling their bluff. You want to own America’s debt problem? Enjoy.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/12/mcconnell-announces-fallback-plan-lets-give-obama-the-power-to-raise-the-debt-ceiling-himself/

skyfet said:
Finally! Someone finally said it.

Fact: The criminals at ACORN, President Obama ‘s former employer, never stop ripping off American taxpayers. The massive conglomerate ACORN Housing Corp. and its subsidiaries owe an eye-popping $162,813 in back taxes. Typical democratic crap of let the others pay for it for us. We don’t have to pay taxes is why we want more of them!

Says the woman that looks like a rotten corpse.

According to Gallup, the Republican position is supported by only 20% of the public. The 1(cuts) to 1(revenue) position holds the plurality. Obama will be wise to take this to the American People and the “septuagenarian ninja turtle” equally wise to seek a desperate exit from the danger of their extremism.

http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/07/13/268865/public-wants-deficit-reduced-mostly-but-not-exclusively-with-spending-cuts/

Greg said:
According to Gallup, the Republican position is supported by only 20% of the public. The 1(cuts) to 1(revenue) position holds the plurality. Obama will be wise to take this to the American People and the “septuagenarian ninja turtle” equally wise to seek a desperate exit from the danger of their extremism.

http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/07/13/268865/public-wants-deficit-reduced-mostly-but-not-exclusively-with-spending-cuts/

wow its so hard to get people who dont have to pay for it to want something, this is groundbreaking news!!

Greg said:
According to Gallup, the Republican position is supported by only 20% of the public. The 1(cuts) to 1(revenue) position holds the plurality. Obama will be wise to take this to the American People and the “septuagenarian ninja turtle” equally wise to seek a desperate exit from the danger of their extremism. http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/07/13/268865/public-wants-deficit-reduced-mostly-but-not-exclusively-with-spending-cuts/

Fact: The fcat remains the same Thinkprogress is a joke and never has any facts.

So much for the Marxist struggle against the bourgeois class.

(Chicago Sun-Times) — President Obama returns to Chicago on Aug. 3 to mark his 50th birthday with fund-raisers at the Aragon Ballroom, with tickets ranging from $50 a person to $35,800 per couple, which includes VIP seating at a “Birthday Concert” where celebs will be performing and a dinner with the president.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/07/14/obama-charging-35800-per-couple-to-attend-his-50th-birthday-party/

Obama’s response to the Aug 3 debt ceiling deadline: “What, me worry?”

jddoubleu said:
wow its so hard to get people who dont have to pay for it to want something, this is groundbreaking news!!

Is this a Monarchy? Do the financial elite deserve hereditary protections and unequalled political access while being preserved from the meddling rabble? If so then I can see your point. In that case let us have the great masses submit their wishes on parchment so that we can deliver them to heaven on the wings of a great fire… all the better to warm us as we celebrate our expanding worth.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: The fcat remains the same Thinkprogress is a joke and never has any facts.

Yes, even the facts of others are sullied through association of that tainted domain.

Greg said:
Obama will be wise to take this to the American People and the “septuagenarian ninja turtle” equally wise to seek a desperate exit from the danger of their extremism.

PRINCETON, NJ — Americans’ satisfaction with the way things are going in the country fell to 16% in July, the lowest in more than two years. Satisfaction approached this level in December 2010, when it descended to 17%, but it has not registered as low as 16% since February 2009 — President Barack Obama’s first full month in office — when it was 15%.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/07/14/gallup-only-16-of-americans-are-satisfied-with-direction-country-headed-in-lowest-since-obama-took-office/

And while he’s at it, he can also take this on the campaign trail.

This woman looks enought like Tingles Matthews to be his twin.
UnF*ngCanny!

Azarkhan said:
So much for the Marxist struggle against the bourgeois class.

(Chicago Sun-Times) — President Obama returns to Chicago on Aug. 3 to mark his 50th birthday with fund-raisers at the Aragon Ballroom, with tickets ranging from $50 a person to $35,800 per couple, which includes VIP seating at a “Birthday Concert” where celebs will be performing and a dinner with the president.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/07/14/obama-charging-35800-per-couple-to-attend-his-50th-birthday-party/

Obama’s response to the Aug 3 debt ceiling deadline: “What, me worry?”

More proper would be the publication of plans for retreat to a high altitude mountain enclave, a place dedicated to penitence and preparation for the inevitable insurrection.

Greg said:
Is this a Monarchy? Do the financial elite deserve hereditary protections and unequalled political access while being preserved from the meddling rabble? If so then I can see your point. In that case let us have the great masses submit their wishes on parchment so that we can deliver them to heaven on the wings of a great fire… all the better to warm us as we celebrate our expanding worth.

shall we attend the party meeting together, comrade?

Azarkhan said:
PRINCETON, NJ — Americans’ satisfaction with the way things are going in the country fell to 16% in July, the lowest in more than two years. Satisfaction approached this level in December 2010, when it descended to 17%, but it has not registered as low as 16% since February 2009 — President Barack Obama’s first full month in office — when it was 15%.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/07/14/gallup-only-16-of-americans-are-satisfied-with-direction-country-headed-in-lowest-since-obama-took-office/

And while he’s at it, he can also take this on the campaign trail.

He must and so he will.

Her statements are those of someone who is sexually repressed.

Dem4Ever said:
Her statements are those of someone who is sexually repressed.

That is a given with her looks.

jddoubleu said:
shall we attend the party meeting together, comrade?

Clever how you used the word “comrade” as a means to imply an association that does not exist… this on the heels of your naked rejection of American republican democracy.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: The criminals at ACORN, President Obama ’s former employer, never stop ripping off American taxpayers. The massive conglomerate ACORN Housing Corp. and its subsidiaries owe an eye-popping $162,813 in back taxes. Typical democratic crap of let the others pay for it for us. We don’t have to pay taxes is why we want more of them!

You are losing it.

Greg said:
Clever how you used the word “comrade” as a means to imply an association that does not exist… this on the heels of your naked rejection of American republican democracy.

look who just finished his first political science course. its just so cute!!

jddoubleu said:
look who just finished his first political science course. its just so cute!!

Standard deflection.

Greg said:
Standard deflection.

sure greg, because clearly you have so much vast experience, and have contributed so much to this country’s economy. your channeling of perchik makes you new and exciting…

Greg said:
According to Gallup, the Republican position is supported by only 20% of the public.

Speaking of Gallup: U.S. Debt Ceiling Increase Remains Unpopular With Americans

Despite agreement among leaders of both sides of the political aisle in Washington that raising the U.S. debt ceiling is necessary, more Americans want their member of Congress to vote against such a bill than for it, 42% vs. 22%, while one-third are unsure.

Uh oh.

President Obama has failed to live up to the expectations he created in the Arab world, according to a new poll released by IBOPE Zogby International and the Arab American Institute Foundation. The poll also noted that most Arab countries view the U.S. less favorably today than they did during the last year of the Bush administration.

When President Bush left office, 9 percent of Egyptians had a favorable attitude towards the United States. After Barack Obama was elected, that number jumped to 30 percent. But today, only 5 percent of Egyptians surveyed said they have a favorable opinion of the United States and its president. Similar figures in Morocco, Jordan, and the United Arab Emirates illustrate that the initial optimism in the region has been eclipsed by a widespread sense of disappointment.

http://nationaljournal.com/nationalsecurity/poll-views-of-u-s-obama-drop-sharply-across-arab-world-20110713

Maybe the Obama regime needs to do more bowing and scraping?

jddoubleu said:
sure greg, because clearly you have so much vast experience, and have contributed so much to this country’s economy. your channeling of perchik makes you new and exciting…

And clearly you know nothing about me outside of this forum… no knowledge of my age, education, work history, institutional attachments, foreign or domestic travel, volunteer work… absolutely nothing but an understanding that I am a man who enjoys political argument. Your inference is a matter of self satisfaction not understanding.

Pablo said:
Speaking of Gallup: U.S. Debt Ceiling Increase Remains Unpopular With Americans

Uh oh.

Yawn… Again…. Without the Think Progress taint that troubles you

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148472/Deficit-Americans-Prefer-Spending-Cuts-Open-Tax-Hikes.aspx

Greg said:
And clearly you know nothing about me outside of this forum… no knowledge of my age, education, work history, institutional attachments, foreign or domestic travel, volunteer work… absolutely nothing but an understanding that I am a man who enjoys political argument. Your inference is a matter of self satisfaction not understanding.

like i said, new and exciting!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItH0v8SV5Bc

Greg said:
And clearly you know nothing about me outside of this forum… no knowledge of my age, education, work history, institutional attachments, foreign or domestic travel, volunteer work… absolutely nothing but an understanding that I am a man who enjoys political argument. Your inference is a matter of self satisfaction not understanding.

that’s the “pleasure” of the faceless internet. We can imagine (and we do)…lol

Well Senater McCaskill, the whole lot of you have lost your collective minds. As a group, you politicians have screwed the economy of the entire nation, hell, the entire world in to the ground.
You dick-wads on the left refuse to discuss reductions of substance to any government program out of fear of losing bought and paid for constituents that keep you in power. You morons on the right refuse to consider any revenue enhancing programs due to your fears of losing hard fought for, bought and paid for constituents that you hope to keep you in power.
Obama, you are the worst. You somehow construe the needs of our nation and citizens as some kind of a card game where you have some kind of a sissy-hissy fit because you don’t want your “bluff” called. Grow some balls and lead this country. We may have screwed up big time by electing you, but elect you we did. Put on your big boy panties and propose a budget that balances, serves the people and can be passed in both houses of Congress.
Skip the games.
We are running out of money, at war and too many of us are not employed.

seek said:
that’s the “pleasure” of the faceless internet. We can imagine (and we do)…lol

I assume so… I have seen evidence of such curiosity… I myself did some investigating a year ago (when I first arrived on the shores of Mediaite) as I noticed a link between “Big Eddie” and a writer for Breitbart, who were in fact the same person… generally speaking I don’t much care about who people are but mostly invested in what they think.

ChuckfromTacoma said:
Well Senater McCaskill, the whole lot of you have lost your collective minds. As a group, you politicians have screwed the economy of the entire nation, hell, the entire world in to the ground.
You dick-wads on the left refuse to discuss reductions of substance to any government program out of fear of losing bought and paid for constituents that keep you in power. You morons on the right refuse to consider any revenue enhancing programs due to your fears of losing hard fought for, bought and paid for constituents that you hope to keep you in power.
Obama, you are the worst. You somehow construe the needs of our nation and citizens as some kind of a card game where you have some kind of a sissy-hissy fit because you don’t want your “bluff” called. Grow some balls and lead this country. We may have screwed up big time by electing you, but elect you we did. Put on your big boy panties and propose a budget that balances, serves the people and can be passed in both houses of Congress.
Skip the games.
We are running out of money, at war and too many of us are not employed.

Do you literally make up stuff when you debate people? The Democrats have said they will make 3 trillion on cuts, all they ask is that the previous tax rate for the wealthy be re-instated. Republicans would have you believe this will end our country or something… but taxes on the rich were higher during REAGAN… the reason we are floundering is because any extra cash we do make we’re essentially giving to the rich…

Its amusing too, all these people are praising the rich for creating jobs (or something).. meanwhile our economy is tanking.

Greg said:
According to Gallup, the Republican position is supported by only 20% of the public. The 1(cuts) to 1(revenue) position holds the plurality. Obama will be wise to take this to the American People and the “septuagenarian ninja turtle” equally wise to seek a desperate exit from the danger of their extremism.

http://thinkprogress.org/yglesias/2011/07/13/268865/public-wants-deficit-reduced-mostly-but-not-exclusively-with-spending-cuts/

As usual, your data is incomplete…Here’s the Rest of the Story.

While 20% want spending cuts Only, the Majority at 50% want Only or Mostly Spending Cuts. (20% only, 30% mostly Spending cuts)

Your 1/1 solution is only favored by 32%…Considerably different from the conclusion you were falsely state. Only a Progressive can get a Majority from less than a 1/3 of the Population.

The Split in-fact looks like this:

>Only/Mostly with Spending Cuts _ 50%
>Only/Mostly with Tax Increases _ 11%

Here is a link to the Original Data…not a lame ass, Bozo site like ‘Think Progress’.

Facts Matter.

Gallop Site Link: http://www.gallup.com/poll/148472/Deficit-Americans-Prefer-Spending-Cuts-Open-Tax-Hikes.aspx

Once again the lemmings actually think there is any real difference between the “D”s and the “R”s. They are going to raise the debt “ceiling” – there is no doubt about it. And they will continue to spend your money(at least those 54% who actually pay income taxes).

What we need is a Constitutional Amendment that would require the federal government to balance the budget. Of course many of the crooks – to include Obama – don’t want anything to do with another Amendment which would limit their already overbearing power.

Snowspot said:
Do you literally make up stuff when you debate people? The Democrats have said they will make 3 trillion on cuts, all they ask is that the previous tax rate for the wealthy be re-instated. Republicans would have you believe this will end our country or something… but taxes on the rich were higher during REAGAN… the reason we are floundering is because any extra cash we do make we’re essentially giving to the rich…

Its amusing too, all these people are praising the rich for creating jobs (or something).. meanwhile our economy is tanking.

Yes, we heard the ‘Promise’ and we have all seen it before, and know it for what it is…a lie, kinda like ‘The Checks in the Mail’ . The reality is Obama and the Democrats want tax increases Now, with a Promise of cuts sometime in the future…wink wink-nudge nudge.

But Promised Cuts are Not Cuts. Obama and the Democrats have at the same time, out of the other side of their mouths, refused any Hard Cap or Structured Agreements to ensure those Promised Cuts are actually made.

Sorry Joe…No Tickie, No washie.

Snowspot, We need specifics! Not just empty rhetoric. There are no specifics that Obama or the Democrats will put in writing and let us see. I really am sorry that you chose to believe any of those lying bastards.
You also seem to have missed the “can get passed by both houses of Congress” part.

GoneFishing said:
Facts Matter.

Agree

GoneFishing said:
Here is a link to the Original Data…not a lame ass, Bozo site like ‘Think Progress’.

I rather like Think Progress, but provided the Gallup link as well given the knee jerk reaction I knew the original link would produce.

GoneFishing said:
The Split in-fact looks like this:

>Only/Mostly with Spending Cuts _ 50%
>Only/Mostly with Tax Increases _ 11%

Very clever… you have combined the Republican position WITH the Democratic position to create a category that does not exist in the negotiations… and cannot because (only) excludes the possibility of (mostly).

You have then again combined two positions that are not actively part of the negotiations to create an extreme and unpopular 9by the data) tax reliant stance.

GoneFishing said:
Your 1/1 solution is only favored by 32%…Considerably different from the conclusion you were falsely state. Only a Progressive can get a Majority from less than a 1/3 of the Population.

And only you could read, “The 1(cuts) to 1(revenue) position holds the plurality.” and accuse me of claiming a Majority.

GoneFishing said:
While 20% want spending cuts Only, the Majority at 50% want Only or Mostly Spending Cuts. (20% only, 30% mostly Spending cuts)

Already adressed how your grouping is not only logically unsound but not actually representative of the political positions in the debate.

GoneFishing said:
As usual, your data is incomplete…Here’s the Rest of the Story.

Story is a good word.

GoneFishing said:
Facts Matter.

Reflect on that part for awhile before you move back to analysis…. It’s kind of tough to read.

Sorry, but a relative Majority (Plurality) of the population is not in support of a 1/1 solution as you claimed…its just not; tho your rhetoric did attempt to represent it as such. Perhaps you should consult a Dictionary.

I saw you had posted the link to the data on a second post, after being called on it; good for you. Perhaps you should have referenced the Gallop site to begin with.

There is nothing Knee-Jerk in questioning a factual conclusion reported from a biased source…to do otherwise is foolhardy.

Analysis is what I do; By education, training and inclination, and have for over 30years. To me, Facts trump all.

Dems are losing this argument, although I am sure that they may not like the source, Rasmussen remains one of the most accurate polling services.. Read the what the people are saying for yourself.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/taxes/july_2011/55_oppose_tax_hike_in_debt_ceiling_deal

Clearly the American people don’t want new taxes until the government has first shown its ability to address its reckless spending….. Either the Dems fold or this whole thing is going to crash into a wall… which is still preferable to the road we are on..

Also; I reported the Data as Represented in the Poll…no additions, or deletions; unlike your own.

If you had consulted the Poll Data, you would have seen

Greg said:
The Split in-fact looks like this:

>Only/Mostly with Spending Cuts _ 50%
>Only/Mostly with Tax Increases _ 11%

Represented and posted in just that manner in the original date.

Like I said..Facts Matter.

GoneFishing said:
Sorry, but a relative Majority (Plurality) of the population is not in support of a 1/1 solution as you claimed…its just not; tho your rhetoric did attempt to represent it as such. Perhaps you should consult a Dictionary.

Majority and Plurality are not the same thing. Plurality is the option with the highest vote total, a standard “equally” (1 to 1) clearly met (32%).

GoneFishing said:
I saw you had posted the link to the data on a second post, after being called on it; good for you. Perhaps you should have referenced the Gallop site to begin with.

Perhaps… I imagined adults could distinguish between data indigenous to a source and data borrowed and presented by a source.

GoneFishing said:
There is nothing Knee-Jerk in questioning a factual conclusion reported from a biased source…to do otherwise is foolhardy.

See above…

GoneFishing said:
Analysis is what I do; By education, training and inclination, and have for over 30years. To me, Facts trump all.

Then what explains the shoddy groupings? You understand that they obscured the issue rather than cut toward the vital heart?

Haha Shumer has appearently taken up Weiners mantle….. Senate rant from earlier today went something like this… Planes falling out of the sky after flying into each other dogs and cats making love to each other on the White House steps… Oh Please, keep us laughing Chuck!

GoneFishing said:
Also; I reported the Data as Represented in the Poll…no additions, or deletions; unlike your own.

If you had consulted the Poll Data, you would have seen

Represented and posted in just that manner in the original date.

Like I said..Facts Matter.

If you want to make that claim then you are guilty of poor description. I propose that you did not simply describe, but decided to synthesize two large groups to create an unnatural category (for reasons described) that satisfied your poor analysis of the situation.

lane said:
I see the republican strategy clearly now, and it’s genius. Matt has it right, it proves he’s not nuts. I argue it’s a genius move. The republicans control only one house of congress, so they have little negotiating strength. This move forces better negotiations with Obama. If they don’t come to agreement, then the move gives Obama and democrats the control, and therefore all responsibility. The blame for everything falls on democrats, and a lousy economy was enough to bear.

Great way to either force Obama into real negotiations OR to take full responsibility for spending cuts and tax hikes.

The Republicans have a Huge hand if they are willing to play it…Much stronger than Obamas. All Spending Bills by Law must originate in the House. The President cannot spend a cent the House foes not authorize him to spend, neither can any Administrative Branch or Department. the Supremes ruled on that long ago.

It the Republicans stand Firm, Obama has No choice…none at all, but to take or leave what is put on his desk. If he Veto’s a short term fix to give time for Restructuring of the Tax Code and Hard Caps on spend to be voted into law…The failure will be at His Feet. Not the House.

Greg said:
If you want to make that claim then you are guilty of poor description. I propose that you did not simply describe, but decided to synthesize two large groups to create an unnatural category (for reasons described) that satisfied your poor analysis of the situation.

You still have not read the original data I see. I suggest you do so, your making a fool of yourself.

Greg said:
And clearly you know nothing about me outside of this forum… no knowledge of my age, education, work history, institutional attachments, foreign or domestic travel, volunteer work… absolutely nothing but an understanding that I am a man who enjoys political argument. Your inference is a matter of self satisfaction not understanding.

Fact: Wacko Greg is one of those educated ones who need government to lead him to the trough of entitlements!

Gefforyk said:
Rasmussen remains one of the most accurate polling services

LOL…

More reading for you all… from someone actually known for uncanny accuracy.
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/07/13/house-republicans-no-tax-stance-far-outside-political-mainstream/

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
I’m pleased Grayson is gone. Couldn’t stand him. As big a pischer as Can’tor. But, since he’s gone, we might want to focus on the rabid, angry and unpleasant Republicans remaining and itching to send our economy back into a tailspin. It would seem a more productive use of our time.

True… but it was funny.

Snowspot said:
Do you literally make up stuff when you debate people? The Democrats have said they will make 3 trillion on cuts, all they ask is that the previous tax rate for the wealthy be re-instated. Republicans would have you believe this will end our country or something… but taxes on the rich were higher during REAGAN… the reason we are floundering is because any extra cash we do make we’re essentially giving to the rich… Its amusing too, all these people are praising the rich for creating jobs (or something).. meanwhile our economy is tanking.

Problem is that the Republicans learned their lesson when Reagan conceded to the Democratic congress…. He indeed raised taxes only to be screwed by the Dems who reniged on their side of the deal…. Why is it that the Dems insist on the cuts coming in the out years… no sweetie, as Bush so badly failed at saying…… Fool me once shame on you.. Fool me twice shame on me… Cut now or walk away… the American people are tired of false promise. Cut the budgets and maybe next year we reform taxes… I think that you will find that the republicans understand that if they do anything less there will be hell to pay come election time.

GoneFishing said:
You still have not read the original data I see. I suggest you do so, your making a fool of yourself.

Fantasy is a powerful force in your land?
“Only” excludes “mostly”… No existing member of the negotiations is saying that debt ceiling negotiations are contingent “only” on spending cuts… but spending cuts with fewer revenue increases are fine as well. Your complete and utter lack of comprehension is stunning.

Greg said:
Yawn… Again…. Without the Think Progress taint that troubles you

http://www.gallup.com/poll/148472/Deficit-Americans-Prefer-Spending-Cuts-Open-Tax-Hikes.aspx

I don’t need to see the same poll twice. That’s why I linked the other one from Gallup. Sure, TP is a partisan dump, but did I mention them at all, or even comment on that poll?

Reading is fundamental, Greg.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Wacko Greg is one of those educated ones who need government to lead him to the trough of entitlements!

I am a member of the productive and advanced urban areas of our Great Nation… when I pay my federal taxes they travel to D.C. and are then sent to the great expanses of Alaska, funneled down to those knee deep in the blue grass of Kentucky, sent to support the vast trailer mottled terrain of Mississippi and Alabama… and I am fine with that… if only they would stop purchasing text books that show Christ astride an Apatosaurus.

Pablo said:
I don’t need to see the same poll twice. That’s why I linked the other one from Gallup. Sure, TP is a partisan dump, but did I mention them at all, or even comment on that poll?

Reading is fundamental, Greg.

That’s my line Pablo.

McConnell: GOP Won’t Be “Reduced To Being Tax Collectors For The Obama Economy”

A truly historic statement. I must admit that I didn’t think mealy-mouthed mcconnell had it in him or even had the backbone or cojones to make such a firm and inspiring statement, but I’m pleased he did.

TeaPartyNation said:
McConnell: GOP Won’t Be “Reduced To Being Tax Collectors For The Obama Economy”

A truly historic statement. I must admit that I didn’t think mealy-mouthed mcconnell had it in him or even had the backbone or cojones to make such a firm and inspiring statement, but I’m pleased he did.

Revenue is at historic lows…
http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/108xx/doc10871/Chapter4.shtml
One of the greatest contributors to our current debt is the decline in tax receipts…
“The biggest culprit, by far, has been an erosion of tax revenue triggered largely by two recessions and multiple rounds of tax cuts. Together, the economy and the tax bills enacted under former president George W. Bush, and to a lesser extent by President Obama, wiped out $6.3 trillion in anticipated revenue. That’s nearly half of the $12.7 trillion swing from projected surpluses to real debt. Federal tax collections now stand at their lowest level as a percentage of the economy in 60 years.”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/running-in-the-red-how-the-us-on-the-road-to-surplus-detoured-to-massive-debt/2011/04/28/AFFU7rNF_story.html

Run with that… but it is a destructive stance on multiple fronts.

McCaskill is toast in MO and is the LAST one to talk about acting political.

catfishjuggling show said:
Even Sarah Palin thinks that McConnell’s plan is stupid.

Sometimes even people who are on the other team say things that are right.

The Liberals have only one plan to fix this and its Tax Tax Tax. And when the revenues are down below spending due mainly to lack of tax payers, you would think anyone could see that to do anything which is an absolute job killer is suicide. But here they are, and all they have is: We gota tax We gota tax We gota tax. Like it or not, The Repuplicans are trying to stop the suicide bomber ( Obama and Gang ) from finishing off this country. McConnel knows he cant sway the senate so hes smart enough to say: Ok since we cant agree, do it your way, we cant stop that, but you will Pay Dearly when every citizen in this country suddenly finds what Obama has done to them, their families, and their childrens children for years to come. AND you better start learning chinese.

Snowspot said:
Do you literally make up stuff when you debate people? The Democrats have said they will make 3 trillion on cuts, all they ask is that the previous tax rate for the wealthy be re-instated. Republicans would have you believe this will end our country or something… but taxes on the rich were higher during REAGAN… the reason we are floundering is because any extra cash we do make we’re essentially giving to the rich…

Its amusing too, all these people are praising the rich for creating jobs (or something).. meanwhile our economy is tanking.

The rich as you call them, ( anyone you dont like is either rich or a racist ) will not create jobs for good reason. They have to listen to a President hell bent on grabbing more and more of their money, That means they cant afford to hire, pay the wages, payroll taxes, and those soon to come Health care costs rammed down their throats by Obama and his Gang. Reminds me of a guy I new once who had trouble catching his horse. Every time he did tho, He would beat the animal. Now Im no horse whisperer but Im guessing that horse only knowing he got beat every time he got close to that guy was not helping the situation. Well what Obama is doing is holding out that whip and there is no way Business ( you know, the rich guys ) are gona trust him to treat them right. Create jobs, you create tax payers, and when you do you eliminate a drain on welfare and unemployment, so every job is like double revenue to the gov. Tax the job creators and you lose jobs, no tax from that guy, and he now wants his unemployment check. That is stupidity and Obama refuses to see it.

McKaskill made sense- McConnell DOESN’T- AND HE’S UGLY. Scarborough really does a good job of covering up his murder of his Secretary- shortly before he resigned his office. He keeps talking as though there was a good reason to kill her and run. When the hell will police get the bastard?

Greg said:
That’s my line Pablo.

I beg to differ, Greg. Sometimes, I even drop the link in.

LoyalOpposition said:
Uh oh, it’s a battle of the McC’s, now this is really getting good. Next thing you know they’re gonna be tossing shoes at each others heads. What McCaskill calls “brazenly political”, is known throughout the rest of the country as fiscally conservative. I guess this is what happens when one party has gotten their way for so long, they go nuts when the tables are turned.

Another fricken historian. I hope you’re talking about the Republican Party getting their way for so long. Let’s see the Rep’s had their way from 2001 to 2008. The Dems had it from 2009 to 2010. And now from 2010 to present the Houses are divided. So exactly who are you referring to when you say…” this is what happens when one party has gotten their way for so long…”? Obviously you must be talking about the Rep’s.