>among other things, advocating against violent protests

That’s what I love about Glenn Beck: he has to instruct his audience not to get violent. Probably “just in case something happens”.

I think Beck goes out of his way in stressing non-violence so that when the left says he’s advocating violence, he has the tapes to prove they’re lying.

>I think Beck goes out of his way in stressing non-violence so that when the left says he’s advocating violence, he has the tapes to prove they’re lying.

I know. That’s what’s so hilarious about it. Beck knows that he’s pushing the proper buttons leading towards violent conflict (calling progressives “cancer”, comparing them daily to authoritarians, blah blah crap). He’s just doing stuff like this as a Get Out of Jail Free card.

“”That’s what I love about Glenn Beck: he has to instruct his audience not to get violent. Probably “just in case something happens”.

“”I think Beck goes out of his way in stressing non-violence so that when the left says he’s advocating violence, he has the tapes to prove they’re lying.

Wow! Talk about damned if you do and damned it you don’t! I guess the only way for Glenn Beck to NOT be accused of wanting violence is to just shut up and not say anything at all (which is the goal, isn’t it?).

Dumb and Dumber! Why another rally? Is it because the first one with 300 attendees worked so well in killing healthcare? Oh, wait!

Yeah, calling people names is really pushing the envelope. Wouldn’t hear anyone on MSNBC doing that.

I think the rally againsty David Letterman probably really zapped the energy from the Palinistas and the Beckerheads. Weren’t there like 425,000,000 protesters?

>I guess the only way for Glenn Beck to NOT be accused of wanting violence is to just shut up and not say anything at all

How about toning down the rhetoric? If you preach like Hitlerite it’s not like its legit to cut him slack just cause he said “I don’t believe in violence”.

Righter, you seem to have started whining very early today. Or, am I just getting a later start?

m:

Would you consider the following “pushing the proper buttons” that lead to violence? (expecially around the 3:30 mark):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY_1ZlzyW5k&feature=related

Like Anonymous said above, Beck is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. Like anyone disagreeing with the left, the main thing the left want from anyone is silence. The Van Jones tapes were a good example. Beck was using Jones’ own words against him, and the left finds that kind of thing embarrassing.

My stalker has arrived. How ya doin’, pinch?

Hmm. Strange comment M. The Beck “audience” is more diverse than you seem to give them credit for. I would think that any rational person would laud the call to non-violence.

This debate over health care reform has been vitriolic from both sides of the argument. It is certainly something that people have become very polarized over.

In fact, would you agree that this issue has divided this country more than any other issue since the war between the states? I observe the willingness of some on both sides to use ridicule and sarcasm in attempts to denigrate the opposing individuals. The objective clearly is that if you can denigrate the opposition then you have “won”. I do not perceive a very large gap between ridicule and violence. Ridicule, especially very vitriolic ridicule is simply a form of verbal assault. Verbal, but assault nonetheless.

I freely acknowledge the right of people to form their own opinions on issues affecting the civil society. I would encourage people to not engage in violence also either verbal or physical.

Lastly, I do not believe that I should be forced against my will to participate in an entitlement program that, in my opinion isn’t even legal. Especially if my civil disobedience does not inhibit the free exercise of others rights. Let’s not discuss “health care” as a right please. You probably think it is a right…I don’t. Nothing either of us can say will alter either of our positions so the exercise would be futile.

I just don’t accept that the government or any other individual has a right to encroach in the arena of how I deal with my own health care decisions and needs.

I have cardiac disease. My wife has insurance that covers the maintenance drugs that I need in order to survive. I have given this considerable thought and have discussed it with my wife. If we should lose the insurance and I have not other option than to seek assistance from the government through this health care plan, I would probably rather die that take money from one American’s pocket in order to enrich or extend my own life. Even if I die, this legislation robs from some (a minority) to give to others. That is not right regardless of whether you point a gun personally at someone or whether you use the government to do your dirty work. It is still theft. And let’s be perfectly frank here. When any entity uses force of any kind to make another submit to their will then that is violence plain and simple. This legislation will do violence to millions of Americans that simply do not want to participate and will never do so willingly.

I value my liberty. And I agree with Patrick Henry’s belief when he said “Give me liberty or give me death.” Whether you believe he said it or not, I believe that.

And that is all I have to say about that.

>Would you consider the following “pushing the proper buttons” that lead to violence?

Nope. Olbermann calls people names. It’s one of the things he does. He doesn’t call conservatives “the cancer” and that they must be removed from our society.

Glenn Beck fanning the flames of violence?? Totally absurd!! He is a peace loving fellow that only on occasion compares, people, movements, parties, etc. to Nazi’s, Marxists, and you know all the other 725 labels he attaches to those he disagrees with. So what that he predicts violence this weekend; not from the tea-baggers mind you, goodness no (Sure they carry signs comparing Obama to Nazi’s but it’s satire I suppose), but rather from the (insert name here). So no, I MUST object to anyone suggesting that Glenn is a master of manipulation and encouraging violence…except when he is.

The call is in the nature of a wink-wink, nod-nod, Don’t ya know?, Don’t ya know. So, while the call to non-violence is always laudable, we all know not to take this seriously.

I believe Patrick Henry said that. My granfather was much like Patrick Henry. He was famous for saying: “Give me a Lone Star, or give me a Falstaff.” He would get very upset when hius daughter, my aunt, would respond with “Give me a Pearl, of give me a Dixie.”

m:

You are intellectually dishonest.

We keep hearing of all this violence the tea baggers are committing. Where is it?

>I do not believe that I should be forced against my will to participate in an entitlement program

Tough luck. I pay for our military which wages wars I don’t agree with and receives a disproportionate amount of tax money. I pay taxes for roads I never use. I pay taxes that pays salaries of politicians I don’t like. I pay taxes for firemen to extinguish fires that never affected me.

What you’re advocating is a society much more like in governmentalless and ungovernable societies like AfPak and Somalia.

But you were born in America. You’re an American. We use government as a tool for the benefit of society. We believe and love its benefits (military protection, pension securities, roads and safety) despite the flaws inherent in the system (methods of governance not always in agreement).

>You probably think it is a right…I don’t.

So that fellow Americans go bankrupt or die instead…not patriotic.

Intellectually dishonest is an understatement. America’s being hijacked by people like M, Ted, and The Real Royal King and, my GOD, it’s UGLY! Stay tuned folks, more of these people to come! People such as this will soon be rewareded with power. Did you say you want Health Insurance? Well what are you going to do for me? Frightening

King. Do you really believe that you can see into the character of another and ascribe intentions and motivations to that person? What has Mr. Beck done that has objectively demonstrated to you (or anyone else) that he is being covert or insincere about his call for non-violence?

>You are intellectually dishonest.

You know I’m right. You got one quote where he called Bush fascist. Well, there’s a helluva lot more quotes where he calls people pigs, homophobic, sexists, meat bags…Olbermann isn’t guilty of inciting revolutionary or violent behavior like Glenn Beck – Olbermann is guilty of just being mean and rude.

>America’s being hijacked

I’m a true patriot. If you don’t like people like me, feel free to move to another country. I’m here to stay.

By the way “hijack” implies overthrowing of something. Thanks for not believing in the democratic process of our country. I believe in the Constitution. Democrats were elected 100% fair and square. Tough luck.

M.
Everything you mention about roads, firemen, military etc are clearly powers given to the federal government by the constitution. Health care is no where mentioned or implied. And even if it were a “right” the power to exercise that right is clearly reserved to the States and to the People.

I am advocating for a country where the power of government is very limited and the power of individuals to exercise their life, liberty and property RIGHTS are not infringed on by anyone regardless of how justified they try to make it in order to achieve some social justice goal.

I hope you can at least acknowledge that I do have these rights and that my rights should not be overturned by the act of government.

So since Olbermann uses names the left approves of, then he’s not inciting violence. See how it works, folks?

WaterLoo – I’m flattered that you think I have that much power; but in the end if, as you say, I am rewarded with power…uh, no check that, ain’t gonna happen. Damn.

I agree, m. It is tough luck that Democrats were elected.

And another thing. The existence of a “need” in another does not impose upon me a “debt” to satisfy that need. You have a right to life. Period. No one can directly take that away from you by force and you are free to do with that life what you wish to.

There is no “universal justice” whereby some in a society are “obligated” to save the life of another by force of coercion executed by a government.

I make my choices in life and I live with the consequences. Life is NOT fair. By no metric or observation is it “fair”. There are, in life, winners and losers. That someone “dies” because of lack of “health care” is the responsibility of that person, their family, community, civic and religious groups and maybe, just maybe the state he lives in. It is NOT a fault of mine if someone in Peoria “needs” health care and that need, however real is not a debt that this government has any right to exercise with force over me.

But enough of this. I am not even sure why I wrote this. It won’t change your ideas regardless of which side you are on.

And because of that fact, I do believe that this country is in a crisis of division that we have not seen since the civil war. God save us from such an outcome.

Righter, the (White) Tea Partiers may have called themselves tea-baggers, but you shouldn’t be doing that. I stopped after I found out the (White) Tea Partiers didn’t want to be called tea-baggers after they wanted to be called tea-baggers. I wouldn’t call you a honkie, so you shouldn’t use defamatory words for this group. I am shocked! Shocked, I say!

You are the salt of the earth, (White) Royal. I wouldn’t call you a honkie, either. Especially since you’re much closer to a (Black) Panther.

>There is no “universal justice” whereby some in a society are “obligated” to save the life of another by force of coercion executed by a government.

Your argument is null because it’s something that’s already in the Constitution. The Constitution states that it’s the role of federal government to administrate defense and general welfare issues. I am coerced to pay for your protection, including my neighbors – even if I hypothetically wouldn’ve have wanted to it (I do believe in defense, but I disagree with the way we use it). You don’t even agree with what you’re saying, because you most likely enjoy the fact of public roads. There’s not much of a philosophical difference between public roads and universal health care – if any.

Yes, Cappi, but we, the taxpayers of America, are the losers if you get hit by a bus and must undergo dozens of life saving operations. The cost of treating you without insurance in an ER in a a series of life saving procedures could easily run over a million (i doubt you have that kind of money just laying around, but maybe i’m wrong).

You sound like one of those selfish conservatives that say you don’t need insurance and boast that you can just pay out of pocket. But you are really just a drain on the system. When we ALL put money into the pot we all benefit.

Even though I’m conservative, I think we might be better off if everyone had health insurance. But if millions of people who were uninsured suddenly become insured, I think it’s fair to ask where all the extra doctors are going to come from.

I am not opposed to legitimate exercise of federal powers as enumerated in the constitution. Roads and police protection against those that would use force to deprive me of my right to life, liberty and property are all legitimate powers and responsibilities of the federal government. The “common welfare” clause argument to justify anything and everything to do with “balancing” society according to social justice metrics is spurious.

Quite frankly, if I were to be hit by a bus one of two conditions will be present. I either “jaywalked” and was hit by the bus because of my own stupidity or I was legally using a marked cross walk and the bus illegally hit me. In one case, I, and I alone am responsible for my injuries resulting from my own stupidity. If I cannot pay the debt then I am subject to LEGAL means of collection by the offended party, I presume you mean a hospital emergency room. On the other case, if the bus hit me and is at fault then the owner/driver of the BUS is legally responsible to pay for the damages and can be sued in court to enforce that they act to absorb the financial cost resulting from their violations.

In NEITHER case is there any reason that YOU should have to pay for my care or have anything whatsoever to say about it or deal with it at all.

That this government has involved itself in that equation to the degree that it mandates that hospital must deliver care in emergency situations and then tie their hands in the exercise of their right to payment from the one that received the service does not mean that it is right or even makes sense.

As for me being selfish, not true, at least in the way you mean it. Selfish is me being hit by the bus through my own fault and expecting YOU to pay for it.

I am talking about responsibility for my life in all its aspects. I neither need nor want your help. If you are aware of someone in need, by all means do whatever you feel constrained to do to help but don’t even think about picking my pocket in order to “spread” the burden of whether or not YOU feel someone needs help. I’ll make my own decisions as to who, when, what and where I will help those in need. And don’t even try to disparage me as someone that doesn’t “help” others. You don’t know me and have no basis whatsoever to determine the degree of my charity for someone else.

Government has many legitimate functions…robbing peter to pay paul just isn’t one of them.

I am perfectly fine that people have insurance. I am not fine with the government getting involved with telling me what, how much, who from, when I will buy or not buy insurance. It is “insurance”. It is a bet that you will get sick or hurt and the insurance company will pay the bill and they are betting that you won’t. That is the free market at work and it works just fine.

You can’t add 30 million people to the insured ranks, keep the number of doctors the same and expect there to be anything other than rationing of health care.

I foresee nothing but trouble if this bill passes. The costs have been manipulated so that it appears better than what it will be in reality. No estimates for any program in the past has been accurate to within a mile of what actual costs were.

It is about a grab for power by the government. Health, Education and Energy. Once the government controls these three parts of our economy, they will control everything worth controlling and can call all the shots from then on out. Our liberties and freedoms will become irrelevant.

Should we go quietly into the night as we watch our liberties and freedoms erode? I can’t.

The only violence that I have ever seen has been the loony left. The enviromental whackos use violence. The peaceniks use violence. The anarchists use violence. The hippies use violence.
When there were a million people supporting the Vietnam war in Washinton D.C. the only violence came from the “peace” protestors. When I led a demonstration supporting the Contra’s in Nicaragua the only violence came from the “peace” protesters. When several million people attended the Tea Party’s the only violence came from the “health care” protesters. Stange isn’t it?

Ah Sara! Another GOPster and avatar of the shameless hypocrisy and disconnection that have driven our politics for the last decade – a process of stupidification creeping like kudzu over our national life. The US is a laughing stock to educated countries everywhere.

>Should we go quietly into the night as we watch our liberties and freedoms erode? I can’t.

You know what the irony is? Countries with universal health care are more free. Not a single European isn’t covered by medical insurance. Not a single European’ve gone bankrupt due to medical costs. Not a single European have chosen to stay at their shitty job because their dream job has worse insurance coverage. Not a single European have abstained from letting their kids ride bicycles because they’re afraid if their kid gets injured that they’ll have to pay a lot of money.

That is the entire irony of it all, and you can’t even see it for yourself.

> The US is a laughing stock to educated countries everywhere.

Nah, just a segment of the US. Fox News around the world is a complete joke.