Once again, O’Stupid is long on bluster and short on solutions. Geraldo is absolutely correct. The illegitimacy rate in this country needs to be addressed. However, it is rampant across our society, not just in the inner city.

18 children in a country with 7,866,500 people? Were they an American state they’d have the 13th highest population with one of the highest per capita GDP’s to boot. I’m not sure why I expected a Fox news anchor to try and do some research, but really now.

Women incapable of caring for themselves – financially, emotionally, or otherwise – should not be bringing innocent babies into the hopeless, untenable life situations they’ve created.
They should be socially ostracized as purveyors of Child Abuse! – not coddled by Democratic entitlement policies that promote more of this same irresponsible childbearing.

It’s time, as a civilized society, we license childbirth!

The reckless childbearing and rearing of these children becomes a cost, in myriad ways, on society; so like the Progressive’s health care argument, society has a right to regulate this behavior.

Did you hear that, America? Romney wants poor people put in nets!

Where in your comment do you address the men’s responsibility to keep it in their pants?

I’m hoping your comment is sarcastic, otherwise it’s just scary.

I can’t believe I’m in total agreement with Geraldo!
It’s agreat first step, and because of that, I’m giving him permission to publicly open my safe!

There are Poor ppl b/c the Bible says so!

You can’t criminalize someone choosing what they want to do with their lives.

The problem starts at the top.  WIth the 1%.

If you don’t pay people they can’t take care of their kids.

It’s that simple.

As nothing says civilised and small government like the state taking full control of a woman’s womb.

How about having proper sex education in schools that teach kids the consequences of unprotected sex and that birthcontrol is a good thing rather than spreading information and  wasting money on abstinence programs that don’t work? How about fighting to give people access to birth control, rather than pushing for personhood ammendments that would ban contraceptives and trying to crush planned Parenthood?

Yes because we want the federal government involved in that. Health care and epa are akin to socialism and tyranny, but this is different. It works well in China.

 The inseminator’s role is understood as a general pre-requisite to childbearing, and would be addressed in the licensing process.

I do like Geraldo’s Law about naming a “father”; but what if the woman can’t (multiple sex partners, etc.)?
Bringing the child to birth ultimately is the decision of the woman.

Great plan!

At the very least the drop out age should be 17, the age where they can join the military with parental permission.

I agree, the opening statement shoud have read “men and women incapable of caring for themselves”.  And when you say society has a right to regulate this behavior, what you really mean is government, and quite frankly that is just scary.

 You can criminalize it when what they want to do with their lives impinges on the rights of others – particularly innocent children brought into untenable life situations through reckless childbearing decisions.

What’s simple is that if you can’t take care of a child, then you shouldn’t be having one!

Why should that innocent child, and society as a whole, be burdened with the irresponsible decisions of someone else?

So, basically the process they have in China? I’m assuming you would approve of the forced abortions as well? Of course, if you have enough money, you can always get around any rules and regs.

 As a collective response, what will happen is that you’ll change the moral zeitgeist.

It will eventually be viewed by society as unacceptable behavior, and anathema to the human condition, for women (I addressed the male role earlier) to be bearing children without the wherewithal or commitment  to rear and raise them..

And, why not? We do that with lunatics. Lunatics are people, my friend.

 As a collective response, what will happen is that you’ll change the moral zeitgeist.

It
will eventually be viewed by society as unacceptable behavior, and
anathema to the human condition, for women (I addressed the male role
earlier) to be bearing children without the wherewithal or commitment 
to rear and raise them..

I wasn’t taking a position on netting per se.

You people and your tax money are PATHETIC.

This is OUR country and OUR people but all you care about is YOUR tax money.  GET A LIFE! I hope you choke on all your tax money.

You don’t mind guys taking dangerous jobs to build the roads so you can drive your happy butt to work but when that guy wants a RAISE you lose your mind. Again, people who cry about taxes and it going to somene else are PATHETIC.  ALL TAXES GO TO OTHER PEOPLE IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER.  They don’t go to aliens and they don’t go to robots.

With that being said, my solution is for the government to make corporations pay people decent salaries. ANd I am sure there is a calculation which would come up with the right number.

Humans are so cruel to each other they will charge a family of 4 $1,000 for a 2/2 apartment in the hood.  When at the same time that same family could go buy a house for $100,000 in a nicer area for $700 a month.

Every industry that ESSENTIALLY affects life like education, energy, banking, work, health, and housing should be STRICTLY regulated by the government.  There is no reason for these industry leaders to have entire communities by the balls.

Please tell me how abandoning my kid “impringes” on YOUR rights.

F you and you telling me what I should do with my sperm.

You are assuming all kids who grow up without fathers are some reason or another doomed.

There is no proof of that.

And, perhaps we should raise the age at which humans might engage in sexual intercourse to 21; pass a Constitutional amendment prohibiting the manufacture, possession and sale of wine coolers; and invest massive sums in the Brisket Pailin Abstinence Education Program.

What you’ve written, much of which I can agree with, is not inconsistent with what I wrote. Can we agree that it’s bad for poor people to have more kids than they themselves can care for? Do you think it is wise for society, let alone in the interests of the poor to encourage them in this behavior? And I’m not rich nor do I have any hope of becoming rich or feel any particular fondness for them (just removing the red herrings in advance to save you energy and time because you come across as a little verbose not to mention self-righteous).

Quite the contrary, there’s overwhelming evidence that children of single-parent, (direct) government-subsidized households are at a critical disadvantage to other children; and are much more likely to engage in criminal activity, substance abuse, violence, and to repeat the cycle of reckless childbearing themselves.

Google key words and you’ll get pages of evidence to support that.

Od course you weren’t, my friend.

1.) I’m not familiar with the particulars in China, so can’t comment.

2.) Yes, if there are no other viable options (guaranteed adoption, etc.), as the humane thing to do

So you’re down with ethnic cleansing?

–Cobra

I’ll bet you did terribly on the inferences portion of the SATs.

With that being said, my solution is for the government to make corporations pay people decent salaries. ANd I am sure there is a calculation which would come up with the right number.
Humans are so cruel to each other they will charge a family of 4 $1,000 for a 2/2 apartment in the hood.  When at the same time that same family could go buy a house for $100,000 in a nicer area for $700 a month.Every industry that ESSENTIALLY affects life like education, energy, banking, work, health, and housing should be STRICTLY regulated by the government.  There is no reason for these industry leaders to have entire

Tee Hee.

Probably the most condescending argument on poverty that I have ever heard. What tools.

Murder is not humane.

I can tell you’re not rich because basically you’re an idiot.

Idiots shouldn’t be allowed to be rich and control financial resources which would be better off in a smart persons hands.

What the poor do with their bodies is their business.  We are Americans we can do whatever we want to do as long as we don’t infringe on the rights of others.  That is the common law. 
To the Right America is an exceptional place – but don’t ask me to pay for it. F – you.

I don’t know if I am self-righteous but I do know the solution to our problems – PAY PEOPLE!

Do you think things in the economy could virtually grind to a halt if the money were more evenly distributed? If more people had the power to decide if they wanted to build a business or invest in a business.

Do you think Poor people get into relationships thinking it is going ot blow up in their faces?

Do you think they should kill their kid once they are pregers and things don’t work out?  What if they are born and then 2 years later things don’t work out.  Should they kill their kid then?

I may be self-righteous but you’re stupid and a loser.

Are disadvantages and doom equal?

Can you read?

Okie dokie, running away and hiding from the crazies now!

So what is your answer?  Geraldo offered nothing, fathers names on birth certificates? Tell inner city dads to “pick their pants up”? Keep kids in school until their 18 year old no matter that they don’t want to be there?  All I heard was the same crap that is not working.  There is no head harder than a 17 year old kid who thinks its kool to be a bad ass, if he is not inclined to learn all he is going to do is disrupt the learning experiences of all the other kids around him….  It’s like O’Reilly said, we already are the second highest spending country on education than any others in the world but our results are dismal.  

Liberal answers are not working and they certainly have been opportunities at great expense to be implemented.  You guys have it so screwed up that if one were to criticize the lifestyles that contribute to the problem, well that would just be racist!  So instead of confronting and working on contributing factors you just work around them allowing conditions to continuel

 Responsible childbearing would more accurately characterize it.

Group identity is very 5th Century!

It’s the pernicious behavior the government encourages with that tax money that’s the problem.
…and you want more government control over more money?

Not going to happen!

Wow! Look at the distribution of Planned Parenthood facilities, and the fact that they have been placed in high schools serving largely minority populations…  We and our government have been supporting ethnic cleansing for years…  Now there are many who will argue the necessity to help those who are economically disadvantaged to not add further stress and problems into their lives, but the final analysis is that the outcomes limit the population growth of minorities.  Don’t act as if this is solely an act of charity, the government absolutely knows the costs involved with population growth in the inner cities and has taken steps to curb it.  

You can begin by going after the fathers for child support. Ten years ago, my secretary’s daughter go knocked up in college by a fellow student. The judge ordered the father to pay only $50 in child support because he had no income since he was a student. This decision was BS. You can bring home after taxes more than $1,200 a month in a minimum wage job. Make them pay $300 per month or face the consequences for failing to pay child support. I know this may be tough, but this is the cost of irresponsible behavior. Prior to the enactment of welfare reform, mothers receiving welfare would not name the father of the child. They then passed a law lowering the benefits paid, if the father was not named and guess what happened. Finally, do not think I am some hard nosed conservative. I simply do not like people intentionally scamming society whether it be with persons who intentionally refuse to pay for health insurance and/or fathers who ignore their responsibility. 

Those laws already exist, the initial court ruling can be later amended as circumstances change, it may be a pain in the butt but she needs to get back into court.  I live in Florida and Child support can be substantial as much as 55% of gross income.  

This is why internet debates are so edifying. Just a bunch of idiots calling other people idiots.

I think this guy/kid is trolling us.

Therefore you are pro-contraception and abortion, right?

I know you weren’t asking me, but I am VERY pro-contraception and first-term abortion. I get less enthusiastic about abortion as the fetus develops, which I’m sure you’ll agree is reasonable.

Does anybody else see the irony in O’Reilly accusing the president of “creating a class warfare situation” and then turning around to utter tired, pejorative clichés about the working class?

I asked her/him because I don’t see how people who shouldn’t be having one keep from having one otherwise.  And most right wingers seem to be anti-that kind of thing.

The laws exist, but they are not being enforced.

Better yet is stop enabling people to make excuses. You want money – get a job.  You don’t want a job?  Live with someone who has a job.  That other person doesn’t make enough to support your lazy butt?  Get a job…

What good is achieved by forcing these young adults into a classroom situation that they do not want to be in?  Is there not a cost born by others, do these kids not effect the learning experience of other students in their classes, do they not create problems for the teachers and slow the whole learning process down.  

It would be different if they were taking their education seriously, but the reality is is that they aren’t and they just put a burden on the system at the cost of those who are actually trying to get ahead. 

I think a certain kid are. The ultra-religious (e.g., devout pre-Vatican II Catholic types) — the mother theresas of the world. But atheistic right wingers like me think the world is way over-populated and that we are going to breed ourselves into a world divided into two extreme classes. Bad for democracy, bad equality and just bad for everybody. The problem is that we can’t have an honest conversation about over-population because people like Antonio stand ready to call you a Nazi if you suggest poor people have any responsibility to themselves, their children, society whatsoever to control their behaviors.

MEN–TAKE CONTROL OF YOUR PENIS!! Women–Keep on getting free birth control (and getting pregnant anyway) Free pap smears, free medical care when pregnant, free delivery of your child, free college after you have your child, free housing after you have your child, free money every month and food stamps (also when you get food stamps you get a free cell phone and free minutes each month) YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER YOUR VAGINA–BLAME MEN–THOSE NO-GOOD BASTARDS!!!

Couple things

1. I’m a little disturbed that Bill automatically thinks that spending alot of money= high quality, for example Bard College at Simon’s Rock is considered one of the most expensive private schools in the country,but most students don’t even stay the full four years to complete their degrees, Steve Jobs sank a ton of money into his company NeXT but was never able to sustain the company by itself, this notion that spending a ton of money equal a quality product is simply foolish because not only does it not take into account what the money is spent on, in something like education, there are too many external factors outside the control, simply spending money doesn’t solve the problem unless you have a quality strategy to go with it 
2. Given the sorry state so many children in this country are in combined with the fact that people generally want to have sex, its kinda in the hormones and DNA, someone is going to have to explain the rationalization of trying to get rid of contraception like birth control pills , just saying this seems to be flawed logic. George Calin was apparently right when he said “if your pre born your ok but if your pre school your f***ed” 

@google-ce262295b5908be23a400fe2c08fd869:disqus I agree with you on this.  I am pro-contraception/abortion in part because there are too many unwanted kids and many in turn make unwanted kids.  I mean unwanted by their families.  They end up barely tolerated and often don’t grow up to be much of anything because all their life they were told they weren’t.  It is one of those ‘gifts’ that tend to keep on giving through generations, like abuse does.

However, I disagree with Politics-culture Reasoned Amer, extremely, that you should force people to not have kids by ‘having them licenced for the right to have any children at all’.  That is absurd.

Sex education is a must.  Planned Parenthood is a must.  Religion needs to piss off.
  

If you think it’s bad now… wait and see what happens if the hard rightwing gets Roe v Wade overturned..

Should be up to the states, the states should set it at 17.

It’s called self-control, aided by social ostracism.

To further edify you as to my opinion on contraception and abortion – even though it’s rife throughout my posts – I support both, as well as circumstances and conditions where one or the other should be mandated.

I remain astonished at the continued emphasis on African-Americans as the pregenators of all illegitimate children in America. Oh, I’m sorry, I forgot that we’re all drug addicted, too. How did Earl Butz put it, what, 40 years ago: tight pussy and loose shoes? Still?

This is insane and the consequences of such condescension and race bating; fear mongering are dire.

Right. If only we had a law prohibiting sex until age 17, 16 year olds would stop having sex at once.

He also included a warm place to pee.

 The did this too in Germany in the 1930′s and 40′s.  It really worked out well for them.

The reason we have birth control pills and other methods to control unplanned pregnancies is because in the heat of the moment, we forget about the negative consequences of an unplanned pregnancy.  Only because they exist is why we don’t have more unplanned pregnancies.  To tell people they should control themselves is ridiculous and has never worked throughout history.  Sex is between two people, and to say one sex is more responsible than another is ridiculous and outdated.  We need to educate our children about sex in our schools, and forget about relying on parents for being responsible in talking to their children about sex.  The perfect example of this is Sarah Palin and her family.  Three generations of her family got pregnant before marriage, including herself.  Two of her children also did and she claims she doesn’t believe in educating our children about sex in schools.  Work out great for her didn’t it?  Who say’s it’s only the poor who have unplanned pregnancies? 

Using that logic we should end all laws, because not everyone obeys it.

Using that logic we should end all laws, because not everyone obeys it.

Bill is really trying to be cute and funny. Bill is anything but cute and funny.  He should shut up now.

 Irony

And when all the corporations move to China because they can no longer survive in the U.S.?  What then?  Everyone move to China?  The Chinese Government does control every aspect of an individuals life, right down to procreation.  Most Chinese are equal in their economic status.  China sounds right up your alley, you should move there  and bask in the glory of big brother provided poverty for all..

My question is, who is the King liberal?  O’Reilly or Geraldo?

What’s the solution,more abortions,forced sterilization,more education,jobs that pay a living wage?

You can quote statistics, you can present anecdotal evidence to the contrary, some people really don’t want to know the truth. It’s in the best interest of those in power to keep the people afraid and distrustful of each other. Ignorance and fear are the two most powerful tools they have and the average person gets sucked in every time.

No kidding! If I waited for my mother to explain sex, I’d still be waiting and I’m old enough to be a grandmother! 

Sex ed starting in Elementary School and birth control available starting in Middle School.

We are so screwed up that we bombard children with sex and sexual innuendo from an early age on TV, but seriously talking about it is taboo. 

Brisket !!
Half-Baked Alaskan !!
Tollbooth !!

*drink*

It seems as I perused the comments they were mostly on women and men, or put it a different way, mothers and father’s being responsible in bringing children into the world.  IE if you can’ t provide don’t get pregnant.   And don’t abort.  Seems contradictory to me.  On that thought I think access to effective birth control is a good , helpful route to take.   My unique take is many people who are low income are the disabled.  This includes both physical and mental illnesses.  True there are work accommodations that an employer and employee willingly undertake.  See “Americans with Disabilities Act , employment section.  BTW the ADA was signed by Bush Sr.  Still a large majority of people with disabilities are either not working or underemployed.  I know since  I am a disability advocate.
Plus women who domestic violence survivors and leave their abusive husbands are usually poor since many of them don’t possess any employable skills.  My point there’s more to poverty than irresponsible males and females.

Congratulations…you are the most ill-informed, uneducated, blithering moron I have ever seen. Not one thing you have said gives any indication that you have studied anything in your life. All you are is a loser, failed grade school, smoked pot and holding some silly toll collector job. Am I right?

You are the definition of a loser. Crackpot, get lost from here.

You’re absolutely right about everything you inferred about me. Point blank.

Now, here is the challenge: Refute ANYTHING I have written.

Please, facts have no place in this discussion! It’s always about emotion. For some reason we have become a society that refuses to see the big picture. We don’t really care about the cause of the problems we are having, we have a quick fix that usually involves a sacrifice by someone other than ourselves. EVERY person has a story and each is unique.

Yes EVERY person has a story and each is unique.  I agree with your message except of course  facts have no place in this discussion.    Of course I realize you were kidding.  Right?!!!. Of course.

Take two to Tango, who has the largest pre-responsibility? Does the word “NO” enter the mix?

That was kinda my point. The comment was totally one-sided. There are many issues that contribute to this issue, our girls think that their value is as a sexual object, our boys think sex is a measure of manhood, sex is a past-time, sex has become an addiction… and that’s just to name a few. Just say “no” didn’t work for drugs, it doesn’t work for sex. On TV it’s perfectly normal for the first date to turn into sex, on one show they said, 3rd date, that’s sex. Many young girls think if they have the guy’s baby, he will have to love them and it just doesn’t happen. Some girls have a baby because they are trying to make up for the love they didn’t receive in their own families.

As for who has the “largest pre-responsibility”? I’d say society, we’ve failed our kids and now we have to pay.

Not only should every father’s name be placed on birth certificates, mom’s should have to get a job as well…not just put all the burden on dad….our jails are overflowing with “dead beat dads” who can’t afford their child support because child support laws in this country are rediculous…make dad pay for every thing while mom goes out and has multiple children by other men then sue them for child support….day cares will take children at 6 weeks old…force mom to get a job and help with raising that child…it takes two to make a baby…it should take those two to provide for that baby…not just dad