Fact: Sixteen dollar a piece muffins? Vote them all out in 2012.

Actually there were no “$16″ muffins. That was a billing convention used by Hotels for a per serving of pastry, juice ,and coffee.

Fact: Cut first on spending and then revenue can come second. Bill O hits a homerun.

Stewart and O’Reilly are such a good team together. Bill had a couple of funny lines in there. 

I didn’t like Stewart letting that slub O’Reilly off the hook with the $16 muffin issue; that extravagant spending was done primarily under Bush’s watch.
Why doesn’t O’Reilly complain about the billions and billions that have gone to Halliburton.

$16 for a muffin, coffee and juice makes you happy?  What is the meal per diem?

Bill is a clown, alright, but there is nothing funny about him.

“return their tax rates to that which they paid in the ’90s” 

If you want to stick with that argument you should also look at the rest of the tax code (how its different today) as well as the difference in Federal spending.   

Hallelujuh!!  A Jon Stewart topic!  They’re so rare here; this is a special treat!

Stop with the logic!

What do you mean by Billo having influence? He doesn’t have any influence on anybody, but his ego and few hardcores. 

Well, shit, skyfet, that splan’s everything!
OK y’all, end of thread!

John brings out the comedy in Bill…at least on John’s show..and because it’s a comedy show with a studio audience, it’s easier to get into that frame of mind.

What does ‘splans’ mean?

Like him or not, that’s nonsense. See Jessica’s Law.

Oh, and didn’t he get Tiller the Baby Killer murdered?

It’s tough keep the talking points in line, huh?

I guessed you miss the ‘hardcore’ part. Selective editing not getting you out of this one.

You should change your title to “just4thefoxfax”.  There were no $16 muffins at a Hilton Hotel.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/food-fight-hilton-denies-muffins-were-16/

$16 a muffin?? WTF.. why don’t these congress people who take a salary in the 200 thousands buy their own baked goods?

yeah it’s not like they inncessantly cover glenn beck or the five or redeye or anything.

Bildo & Liebowitz, two of a kind. Conceited bags of methane.

Is Rick Perry still your guy?

I agree with Pablo.  The audience who watches O’Reilly is mostly old farts, but he does influence them.  Bill’s populism and his promotion of the Tea Party is one of the reasons that something grew out of AFP’s investment.

you DON’T have to be here……

For christ’s sake, no one would miss you

Uh, 3% over 250,000 is not gonna kill anyone

And, it’s not tax rates from the 50′s; it’s government revenue as a percentage of GDP.  You cannot run a modern state with all the things the American people want on only 14% of  GDP.   Reagan collected MORE

because it’s old news and Uncle Roger has a new scandal to pimp

Better keep up with current events, barry has also let them in. Geez, what outrage you must have….

http://current.com/community/92424115_obama-administration-gives-kbr-568-million-no-bid-contract.htm

Have to agree with that one!

Yes they are damn entertaining together

You would; you wouldn’t have me to cry over.

Easy for you to tell the other guy to pay more, when you don’t have to.  Typical lib. 

Why bring Christ into the mix?  You libby loons hate Christianity.

Leftists are imbeciles. They bang their little limp fists on the table for higher taxes without a shred of concern about where and how that money will be spent.

Irresponsible children are like that.

Leftists are imbeciles. They bang their little limp fists on the table for higher taxes without a shred of concern about where and how that money will be spent.

Irresponsible children are like that.

Would someone PLEASE give this President a copy of the Constitution because he obviously has NO clue whats in it!

Obama’s Senior Advisor Valerie Jarrett: The Point
of Government Is to Give People a Livelihood so They Can Provide for
Their Families

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/obamas-senior-advisor-valerie-jarrett-to-african-americans-the-point-of-government-is-to-give-people-a-livelihood-so-they-can-provide-for-their-families/

Of course I will have to. I favor the elimination of ALL the Bush tax cuts.

Not only that, of course, I want the people who demand the most services to pay more. The rich take 40% of the earnings; they own over 70+% of the country. Who wants them to pay less and watch the government run deficits?

You miss the Bush years with its deficits in a time of growth, don’t ya, Michelle?

Is that what you think? That when someone mentions Christ it means they hate Christianity?

Ummm, so what do make of you claiming the Obama kids are on food stamps? What do you hate, TD?

All the conservatives that are going nuts for $16 muffins, ever hear of penny-wise, pound foolish. First it was how the hotel billed the use of the conference room, but really who cares about $1,600 What is that .000001% of the federal budget. The Iraq war was 800 Billion. Its politics that’s the only explanation. Just like the current discussion to cut 10 million from the program that caused the Solyndra fiasco in order to pay for 1.3 billion in disaster relief, or holy crap we have to cut 10 million from NPR because we have a 1.5 trillion deficit.

That was a good exchange. Bill was pretty sharp and got in some good ones. It’s obvious these guys enjoy the  banter.

BTW;  Bill is right about waste, but let’s not pretend that it started or got a lot worse with Obama. I remember stories of $20 hammers and $200 toilet seats decades ago. Companies were screwing their fellow citizens since the civil war.

It could be they like for the US to pay for things like; the drinking habits of Chinese hookers, turtle tunnels, fixing bridges that are due to be demolished, researching potato diseases, termite research, grape genetics….

It didn’t start with Obama, but it did get worse.  Let’s just a fact.

“that’s” not let’s

reagan’s tax structure was much higher than obama’s.

and yet republicans worship reagan.

“I want the people who demand the most services to pay more.”

Really? Sounds great to me! Have at it. 

Just to clarify; you want the Bush tax cuts to end for everyone so the people who demand the most services (i.e. the poor) to pay more?

“Companies were screwing their fellow citizens since the civil war.”

Probably before that, but I would say that is a true statement.  Although it took compliance by elected officials to get that screwing done, dont you think?

solyndra and muffins, bill?  really?

1/2 of 1% of the dept of energy budget is an encapsulation of waste?

not the bush tax cuts which blew a gigantic black hole in the budget?

ever notice how well-paved those roads out to greenwich are?

agreed. it makes no sense how anytime there is a wasteful spending debate the WAR’s are never brought up and are off limits.

the poor demand the most services?!

You mean the tax cuts that Obama extended?

suburbanites demand the most services, hands down.  

they are the real parasitic drain on america…..

guess you made an argument for revenue increases, then…..

Where did I do that Darla?  I’m advocating massive spending cuts.

And Michelle has obviously no clue whats in the article she is commenting on. Why offtopic? Why this obsession with the president? Why not go out for a walk? So many questions.

So were Reagan’s deduction and write-off structure.

the story was debunked thoroughly…..

Show me where I ever posted a single word, much less sentence, regarding Obama’s children and I’ll send you a certified check for $1,000.   Why do liberals insist on lying?

bingo

hey michelle–

are you employed?  if so, what’s your income?

where do you live?  do you have a car?  

do you have children?  healthcare?

do you have grandparents or parents?

what makes you think we aren’t concerned?

or conversely, do you want ANY revenue increases at all?

to what?

reagan’s estate tax alone was 60%!

Cocaine for monkeys !!

yes, those

if obama actually had a choice in the matter, he would have let them expire

but we have a permanent whiner class in the GOP which prevented that from
happening…..

Yes he did. He had to because the republicans refused to allow the middle-class tax cuts

the poor have nothing, so they will pay nothing.

Almost all the benefits of the Bush tax cuts go to the wealthy, not the poor

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ObamaSux posted:
“The debt would be paid off quicker with a meter on Sasha and Malia.
5 days ago

TruDat posted: They get paid in food stamps

I hate when it does that!

These two are great together…I wish they had a mutual show..

There is obviously a bromance brewing between Bill and Jon. It’s all about the ratings for each. 

Have you ever read about the waste and corruption in the Iraq war under Bush? Medicare part D? What about the republican party’s history makes you honestly believe that they’re better about this sort of thing than the democrats? Both parties are just as guilty, and that’s an actual fact.

I never said both parties were guilty, but it is FACT that Obama has been much worse than anyone else. 

Kill the rich!!  Oh wait, then who will support us.  K don’t kill them, just tax them into oblivion.  Oh wait, then they might stop creating jobs.  You know, I may not have through this through. 

Indeed.  

All you have to do is type in the words “Halliburton defrauded taxpayers” to Google, and you will get some 696,000 hits.

solyndra   was    George   W    Bush  …   Obama said no to lending them money..  Here read it here:http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/five-myths-about-the-solyndra-collapse/2011/09/14/gIQAfkyvRK_blog.html

Good God, you can’t be serious.  

Practically every day of the Bush administration, some new story came out about some war contractor – usually one intimately connected to the Bush administration, a la Halliburton or Blackwater/Xe – defrauding to government to the tune of millions or billions of dollars.

I don’t recall that post and it doesn’t even seem to make sense.  The Obama’s are millionaires.

You’re right.  You know so much more about the Constitution than the former president of the Harvard Law Review and former professor of Constitutional Law at one of the best law schools in the country.

A four percent tax hike is taxing them into oblivion? Taxs are the lowest in fifty years. If that’s not helping create jobs, maybe its time to start looking at some other options.

Sorry, Michelle.  The rich have spent the past 13 years accumulating more wealth than at any time since the Great Depression – operating under the most generous tax code in decades – and job growth has been dismal.  George W. Bush created some 3 million jobs to Bill Clinton’s 22 million.

Indeed, it is quite obvious you think very few things through.

You must be new around here.  Basic factual information plays a negligible where Obama-bashing is concerned.  

We’re much more into talking points and innuendo.

Billo had to rely on a lie to make his point – there were no $16 muffins.  He is smart enough to know few people will check to see whether something he says with such authority is a flat out lie.  Good entertainment but its fiction.  Cant wait till my pinhead conservative friends vomit that bogus story to me.  Not that they ever seem to care that their outrage over these false stories is a pure manipulation by the conservative media.

“Under a complete accounting of the services provided for the Executive
Office for Immigration Review conference, it is clear that the muffins
did not cost $16,” DOJ spokeswoman Gina Talamona said in a written
statement. ”The abbreviated banquet checks did not reflect all of the
food and services provided.  The package consisted of food, beverages,
staff services and function space, including a 450-seat ballroom and
more than a dozen workshop and breakout rooms each of the five days of
the conference.”

Misinformation rules these comments. If muffins did cost 16.00 The “family values” Republican National Committee spent almost $2,000 at an erotic, bondage-themed West Hollywood club, where nearly naked women – and men – simulate sex in nets hung from above. WOW money well spent.

Reminds me of the Bush years when we had to listen to the lefty whining on a daily basis.

Well since Hillary got nabbed back in campaign ’08, for skipping out on checks, they likely added a huge gratuity. The check will likely bounce anyway!

Hey liars, okay decades of experience doing special events management. The $16 price is per person for a continental breakfast, not a muffin. You people are so gullible. It includes set-up/breakdown, maintenance and refills. You want a fancy hotel, that’s what it costs, and it’s pretty standard across the board. You expect them to have it catered by Denny’s. Oh yeah, miost of you dimwits consider Dennys upscale dining.

But the amazing thing is it’s been fully debunked. Yet Fox and Talk radio keep repeating it. And you dummies keep believing.

Just for Fax: How do you define a “fact?” Cutting spending is a philosophy and opinion, not a fact. One problems with you conservatives is your terrible vocabulary and command of the English language. Liberal does not mean marxist. And elite is not a perjorative. And submission certainly doesn’t mean respect. It means ”submission,”  but “my husband and I have our own definition of submission” WTF, you don’t get to re-define the meaning of words. Leave that to intelligent liberals you dodos.

Great, I was wondering where all that gas tax went.

I wouldn’t waste my time on Michelle, she’s definitely one of those most idiotic information-free posters on the entire web–not just Mediate.

Yeah, terrible isn’t it?

http://current.com/community/92424115_obama-administration-gives-kbr-568-million-no-bid-contract.htm

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/02/25/obama-administration-gifts-dem-donor-lobbyist-with-150m-no-bid-contract/

Shut up Pablo. You really add nothing and remain a small minded, petty, insecure little man with no real smarts or insights. So you like propaganda that’s your right. BTW, did you hear Mr. Ailes admission that hey had gone to far. Try non-partisan politifact or factcheck.org you numbnuts.

Dennys might not be upscale, but I do like it. It’s one of the few restaurants in the Midwest where I’m consistently treated like a monolingual English-speaking American who deserves prompt service and refills. I am American, and seriously only speak English fluently, but happen to be dark skinned and have an overall “foreign” look. Most midwestern establishments not run by other darker-skinned people won’t even give me refills unless I put my cup by my very white, very blonde husband.  Besides, the french toast with strawberries and whipped cream is pretty good. :P So don’t go knocking Dennys.

In Michelle’s small, uneducated, mind Obama knows nothing about the constitution. Yeah she’s not that bright but let’s lay out the facts:

1. First Black president of the Harvard Law Review in history. Elected to that position by his WHITE peers because of his fairness in dealing with conservatives and progressives at Harvard. You can get the story from those who knew him at Harvard, including his conservative peers who mostly express admiration for him while he served in that role.

2. Teaches CONSTITUTIONAL LAW at the University of Chicago, one of the world’s leading universities in the world, and one that has more Nobel Laureates–including Obama–than any other institution. 

3. Instead of using his education to become a big Wall Street lawyer, he worked as a community organizer in some of Chicago most underserved communities making next to nothing despite his credentials.

These are facts not opinions. But Michelle the Queen of Wingnutia knows more about the constitution than the President. Or maybe because he’s half black and can’t possibly be smarter than Her Lowness Michelle, Empress of all Wingnutia and it’s Jesus Land territories.

Oh FlakesBrain, it is not a 4% tax hike. It is just over a 13% tax hike.
You say you want proof? I’ll make it simple for you.

If House of Pancakes buys millions of eggs at $35 per case, current max rate.
Suddenly the price goes up to $39.60 per case, former max rate.
Now divide 39.60 by 35 and you get 1.131428.
This is an increase in the price of eggs of 13.1428 percent.

Now to further your education: if you operate on a profit margin of 10%, and if eggs are 50% of your costs, YOU AREN’T GOING TO BE HIRING ANYBODY.

Nobody said Reagan was perfect.  Small steps, Darla.  Small steps.

No it wasn’t darling.  What the original story failed to report is that muffin included coffee and juice.

Now if THAT isn’t a bargain, I don’t know what is!

Yeah cromecom – remember how long it takes to get out of our trailers in the morning.  Surprised any of us have time for breakfast.

Idiot!

Got to give this clown credit.  She sure does have moxie.

Not terribly bright, but comes off most convincingly!

So Darla dear, which one is it?  In one post you say the poor demand the most services then in your next post claim suburbanites demand the most services, hands down.

So, if you use the phrase, “hands down” are we to assume that is some kind of quantitative qualifier that means more than just “most”.

So, if you say that between you and I, you have the most brains, I can respond by saying that ‘I have the most brains, hands down’ and come out the winner?

Brilliant!  Must remember the ‘Hands Down Maneuver’!

And through your obvious superior liberal intellect, you were able to draw that conclusion rather handily, huh? (Sarcasm – off)

To Mark in Dixie. Yep you got, why should I have to apologize for being one of those liberals who’s smarter than most retarded conservatives such as yourself.

Yeah, ya loon, the problem with Solyndra was not that it cost them $6 for the panels they sold for $3 but that we did not invest more into it!

LOL

Taxs are the lowest in fifty years. ”

Wrong, but nice talking point.

Top income taxes were less from 1988-1992.

http://www.ntu.org/tax-basics/history-of-federal-individual-1.html#_edn10

LIbs don’t have to worry about taxes because they don’t have jobs.

Who says the taxpayers want the Justice Department to meet in fancy hotels?

$16 PER for muffin, juice, and coffee SOP for the government.
It’s the perfect example of why arguing that the government should micromanage an economy, pick industry winners and losers, choose “good” energy or “bad” energy, or to determine “what is fair” is something only a idiot or someone with government connections would do.
http://news.yahoo.com/16-muffins-8-coffee-served-justice-audit-023623142.html 

Hmm…so now people who make $250K/year are the “super-wealthy”?

Nice deflection, now answer my question.  What was the meal per diem?

Yeah, me in Dixie!  You’ll have to excuse me but the door to my mobile home is a tad rusty this morning.  Wanted to get out of here for my $16 Continental Breakfast.  Hope the Super 8 hasn’t cleaned up yet!

OK, putting that bit of silliness aside, I find almost laughable, the false arrogance you and those like you possess, who for one minute believe your education level rises to that of the majority of the conservatives who frequent this board?  Other than the proper packing of a bong and protest organizing, what exactly did YOU learn in college that allows you to make such outlandish comments about others education?

Personally, I find you to be a fraud and a joke.

I design & test military hardware. What most people don’t understand is that it costs a lot more to develop and produce because the standards are MUCH higher and the volumes are MUCH lower than commercially available hardware. It’s not like you can just take your average laptop computer into a war zone and expect it to work. It doesn’t work that way. It has to be resistant to shock (from ordinance, travel, drop, etc.), extreme heat, humidity, altitude, water, EMF / EMP, etc. It also needs special software that is DOD compliant, etc.

I don’t know about the hammer, but the toilet seat story I think you are referring to was for the space shuttle. Very custom and only a few made. I’m surprised it didn’t cost 10 times that.

Exactly. Vote them ALL out.

He lowered them significantly though and look how that increased the GDP AND fed revenue.

Did you even read the article you just posted?  It says the DOJ will join in the lawsuit against KBR.

Paying $16 per muffin allows The Hilton to be better job creators with their extra inflow of cash. 

Of course it did. And you’d studied it and have documentation you’re going to show us right?

Or is it just that he’s a Democrat and a liberal so…it must me true, without bothering to research it.

Absolutely, and I’m all for weeding out corruption and waste and incompetence. But let’s have one standard we judge both parties by. Liberals get sneered at for pointing out Haliburton abuses and excuses are a dime a dozen for that. But please. let’s focus on the injustice of overpriced muffins because we have our priorities straight.

Did you see this?:
2:40 PM 09/29/2011
“Right now, understandably — totally legitimate — this is a referendum on Obama and Biden and the nature of the state of the economy,” Biden said.

Polls indicating that more Americans blame Bush for the economy than Obama are not relevant, Biden said.

“Even though fifty-some percent of the American people think that the
economy tanked because of the last administration, that’s not
relevant,” Biden stressed. “What’s relevant is we’re in charge. And
right now we are the ones in charge and it’s gotten better, but it
hasn’t gotten good enough.”

“I don’t blame them for being mad. We’re in charge,” Biden explained.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/29/biden-voters-should-blame-obama-not-bush-for-economy/#ixzz1ZMzsA8Rc

I spelled MY username correctly and you still got it wrong. I rest my case. You all simply are not very smart. Maybe we shouldn’t allow you guys to vote afterall, but oh yeah we have a constitution which prohibits us from barring you to vote. Unless you’re elderly or don’t have an drivers liscense OR you’re a college kid.  

That’s what the private and independent (nonprofit) sectors pay for event. I know because I’ve worked for both as an events manager. Can’t you hillbillies just accept that?

Exactly!!  You’d think he’s be more versed on what’s in it.  Or maybe he just doesn’t care. 

Too stupid to use the edit function.  I’m not surprised.

As a PR and events director for a major and respected NON-PROFIT. My per diem was $50 per day, PLUS other expenses like lodging, not including meals. So breakfast at $16, means I have another another $34 for lunch and dinner and my salary was $80k. Was that too much for a non-profit? Sounds like the class warfare is on the right. Only CEOs should have per diems right?

How about these 2 guys for Co-President? Might get something meaningful done.

Stonepark – your right, the top tax bracket did have a lower rate. Taxes as a whole were higher with with H.W Bush’s two tier system. Admittedly its a pretty small difference overall, so ill concede the point on that.
While it is a talking point that’s been thrown around, its also a valid one that I haven’t heard anyone offer a good answer to. Taxes are low. Why isn’t that driving the economy?

Steve – flakebrain, I get what you did there. That’s some fun math there, but they are talking about raising the rate 4.6% to 39.6%. That’s an increase of 13.14%, but its not raising the tax rate 13.14%, its being raised 4.6%.
As for House of Pancakes, their eggs aren’t going to change price at all, as it’s a change in the personal income tax and not corporate taxes.

Like it has been stated here before:

You are either a paid blogger or the stupidest TeaBagger Death Cult member ever!

At the amount of comments you post it’s likely you’re both.

I’m a manly, man. But thank you for the blackhanded compliment. Oh and I’m black too. RUN AWAY!

Brilliant come back Michelle. I aplogize for thinking you were stupider than stupid. That’s obviously not the case. You’re dumber than dumberer. Rock on sista! Rock on  . . .  there’s a village somewherein search of a new village idiot.

The ‘blackhanded’ compliment?  Are you that focused on race?

Oh, and anther thing: Why would I feel the need to ‘run away’?  Simply because you are black?

Dude, that hatred is going to eat you up one day!

I’ve said this on another post today. The current “GOP base” -including some posters on this site- are the dudes and chicks you see in their big trucks in a mile long traffic jam honking and screaming at the guy directly in front of them. Solyandra (or however you spell the companies name) was an straight out DROP by the White House. It cost 500 million our of about 10 billion. IT was the car in front of the truck in the mile long traffic jam caused by the TENS of BILLIONS spent on things that should never have happened in the first place like a long drawn out family-feud war in a country that SHOULD scare the average American about as much as the idea of a ghost on a killing spree. OHh wait, the Average American IS afraid of that scenario.. ROFL

Yep. I’m focused on race. Because your side has never even given this gifted, and noble black man who’s trying desperately to cleam up the mess your side has made the benefit of doubt that maybe your side is wrong. So yeah dummie, it’s about race.

Um, my comment has nothing to do with no-bid contracts (though I do find them quite repugnant, regardless of who awards them).

kromecom – leaving aside your ‘gifted, and noble black man’ rhetoric aside, what separates conservatives from Obama, and his misguided advisors is the perceived role of government.  Liberals/Progressives believe that it is government that drives the wheels of our economy and the inherent regulations that government produce to that end are used to steer the economic ship in a manner which creates equity and fairness of all.  Unfortunately, it is the regulatory and law making mistakes fashioned by government that stalls economic growth through the removal of profit and incentive.  One only look to the old Soviet model (a harsh comparison to be sure) to see how government interference with free enterprise and free markets stymied economic growth as there was no incentive by anyone to produce.  While you see the struggle as a black vs white issue, I submit it is a purely ideological battle that has been fought since the days of FDR.  Conservatives have won a couple rounds and liberals have won their share as well.  I think the issue that affects you the most is you have allowed this conflict to become a personal one when it’s most definitely not.  Am I suggesting that there haven’t been more than a few tasteless things said in the past few years by conservative commentators and even members of this forum?  Of course not, but don’t hold conservatives as a whole, responsible for the reprehensible commentary of a few.

Well, you did make the food stamps comment, you can find it in your Disqus profile.  I can understand you not remembering it because you’ve had over 700 comments since then.  You also made the joke twice about Obama’s waving so his daughters will know which black man is their father.  Seriously you comment on Mediaite over 100 times a day every day and you make cracks like “get a real job.”  It doesn’t matter where on the political spectrum; scroll through your comments and ask yourself why you do this.  “The other side’s worse” doesn’t justify it.  And you’re not the only one here like this, just the one I happen to look at.

Jon crushed him but he always does. To bad it changes nothing.

I’m a fan of JS, but O’Reilly p’wned him.  Though I was not convinced by O’Reilly, I was impressed.

You are noble and intelligent, yet you still define yourself in terms of what a moron might think, such as a bigot.

LMAO Huh?  No Hablo Inglis Estupido. And sooooo happy I don’t value your opinion. Now run tell that!

timb116,
I thought the Government was supposed to provide for needs not wants? Thing like we need national defense and border protection. One out of two is not bad.

They had this discussion.  Jon said there’s no way he would ever run with O’Reilly.

The Iraq war cost $800B over 5 years and freed 25M oppressed people. The Obama stimulus was $800B spent in 2 years and the US economy has shed 2.5M jobs since it was enacted. Which was the wiser expenditure?

I want revenue to increase the only way it truly can – by growing the economy. Tax policy is not enacted in a vacuum. It isn’t as if the feds can raise taxes by 2% and revenues will increase by 2%. Businesses react to the policies. Historically, tax revenues have held pretty steady at about 18% of GDP. The only sure way to get more money into the hands of the government is to significantly grow the GDP. Those of us paying attention know it’s not going to happen under Obama’s watch. For all his “laser focus” on jobs, he sure doesn’t seem to like allowing non-union companies to create them.

Jon you are welcome to pay more taxes if you feel so stongly about it…and while you’re at it feel free to pay mine too.

Thanks for this input. A very relevant point. These are some of the facts that need to be available to prevent distortions. I did a little research and found
http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1298/120798t1.htm

The military bought the hammer, Kelman explained, bundled into one bulk
purchase of many different spare parts. But when the contractors
allocated their engineering expenses among the individual spare parts on
the list – a bookkeeping exercise that had no effect on the price the
Pentagon paid overall – they simply treated every item the same. So the
hammer, originally $15, picked up the same amount of research and
development overhead – $420 – as each of the highly technical
components, recalled retired procurement official LeRoy Haugh. (Later
news stories inflated the $435 figure to $600.)

  So it’s in keeping with your point.

I don’t get it.  Why does Michelle hate our nation’s job creators?

Then why is it that so called “Blue States” have higher per capita incomes than “Red States”– oh it’s because we Libs are all lazy, welfare hungry parasites right? Just say what you mean. YOU RACIST! And then realize most people believe you are stupid because your logic is lacking . . . .well , , , LOGIC!

What do you mean by Billo having influence? He doesn’t have any
influence on anybody, but his ego and few hardcores.
 

agree with you :)