The economy is tanking because…

Obama has failed to create jobs — unemployment is up sharply since he took office.

Obama wasted a trillion dollars on a stimulus package that had no measurable benefits

Obama has been borrowing money to the tune of $59,000 per second — yes that’s right, $59,000 per second — and thus putting our government in danger of bankruptcy.

Obama has forced through an intensely unpopular health care bill that has created huge disincentives for companies to create jobs in the US

Obama has dumped thousands of pages of regulations on the finance industry — pushing more jobs overseas, and making the whole financial sector wary about hiring and expanding their businesses

Obama has shown total cluelessness about how economic growth is created.

Just sayin’

Bill O’Reilly just called the Tea Party extremist. How is that not as bad calling them terrorist or whatever else they’ve called recently? Hypocrite. 

And yes the extreme Tea Party was willing to let us default and mess up the economy in the process. Guess why they got what they wanted? People looked them in the eye and saw crazy.   

There was never any risk of default, this was verified by the left and the right alike, keep perpetuating that false narrative because it’s the only way you can make a point.

No, you blithering idiot. The economy is tanking because investors can do math. We’ve done nothing about the economic tsunami of our own creation that is bearing down on us. Nothing. People who understand money know this, and they don’t like it. People who have lots of money tend to fall into that group.

If you’re looking out for the folks, Bill, quit bullshitting them.

Yes. Obama lied and the entire media, Fox included, repeated it. Over and over and over.

That’s the headline you got from this clip? World class “reporting” from Mediaite.

As usual, O’Reilly’s almost half right.

Bill O’howfuckingdumbcanthisguybe.

He did NOT just call the tea party extremist.  He said, “some of the tea party are extremists”.  Are you even capable of telling the truth?  And even if he did call them extremists (which he didn’t) do you really think that calling someone a extremist and calling them a terrorist is the same????????

” Let’s blow up the entire economic system and start all over again”

lol…O’Reilly objects to the words “hostage” and “terrorism” but freely throws the “blow up the..system” analogy out there to describe the teabaggers.

You just can’t make this shit up!!!

Nothing motivates our vaunted media millionaires so much as tax policy and social safety net spending, funny that. Also hilarious how the Dow being up 5,000 points since Bush’s debacle is in spite of Obama’s policies but also his fault when it ticks downward.

Is it true, Bill, that when they hand you your paycheck you have to turn around and take it behind your back?
     

The economy is tanking because we have a bunch of people in Washington who can’t stop spending. China is telling us to get our shit together or they are going to downgrade our rating further. They have already taken us to A+ and are going to take us down to an A. Seeing as they are our #1 creditor that is bad news! We just topped 100% of GDP with the new debt ceiling increase. The credit rating agencies here in the US are threatening to downgrade our AAA rating. It is going to get really bad, really soon.

He’s not dumb — he just can’t bear to admit that his guys in the Tea Party and GOP held this country hostage – as terrorists do.

I didn’t read the actual or reviewed the clip; I know Bill is right just by the headline.  Extremists on either isde ruin everything.  Damn phone-crazies. 

Billdo is way ahead losing his mind.

Billdo, if I am an investor, why would invest in a crappy building while on the other side I can have a new building with better tech, a safer society, and a nicer ROI.

Fugging moron. It is the gNOpigs. Enjoying their school in Iraq with new paint. Try to pin that on the left, you idiots.

So, Felix, you cat turd

you truly believe the financial sector, banking, actually works for YOU?

Do you believe the government, actually works for you?

Seriously?  You think “blowing up the system” is the same as equating people with terrorists?

Wow.  That dumb, even for you.

Anyone got their Bovine translator working today?  Anyone understand what the heck he’s talking about this time?

Well clearly he’s wrong… and with a well reasoned argument like that, why would anyone doubt you?!

Yup… how dare they disagree with the President and Democrats, and use their Constitutional rights to object to the left’s policies.

Clearly, they’re all terrorists!  How dare they disagree!

Tea party Americans are going to squash the O’Reillys of the world as well as the remaining 27% of progressive/liberal/democrats that live i n America in 2012. The markets are reacting to the non spending cuts.

I don’t even know where to begin…Maybe I could describe the destruction in jobs caused by the asinine Frank-Dodd bill.  Or the impact of Sarbanes-Oxley in forcing companies to pull of the US stock exchanges or do IPOs in London.  Or the huge mess caused by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  But it would be pointless to debate these issues with you.  You’re still operating at the level of calling people “cat turd.”   So why waste my time? 

“I think some of our members may have thought the default issue was a hostage you might take a chance at shooting,” he said. “Most of us didn’t think that. What we did learn is this — it’s a hostage that’s worth ransoming. And it focuses the Congress on something that must be done.”- Mich

 Well, for one terrorism implies a level of violence. Extremest ideology in American politics is more akin to telling you which telletubbie they think is gay. Yep, they are one in the same.

 Yep, teaparty even had I.E.D.s. With weak analogies like yours I’m surprised you haven’t been called a child molester yet. You see, molesters are people, you’re a person, therefore you’re a child molester. This logic shit sure is fun.

He’s a freaking cow – he just merrily chews his cud and releases tons of methane. 

perhaps you should listen again.  O’Reilly did not call the tear party extremists.  What he said oh bright one is that some members of the tea party and some leftists are extremists.  You appear to suffer from selective hearing disease.  

havn’t a clue – but I think bovine hasn’t a clue either.  His attempt at recording his “cognitive thought” failed miserably because it wasn’t very cognitive.  lol

I sit corrected.

Government spends too much.

Government regulates too much.

Government bails out too much.

Government goes to war to much.

The Fed prints too much.

Because of all of that, our economy is on the ropes.

It has little to do with the extremes.

Political moderation got us here.

McCain, the ultimate Moderate had his shot in 2008.

Bush, also an intended moderate did his damage.

Moderation is NOT the solution.

A society that understands liberty is the solution.

Its probably because the Republicans blocked the reestablishment of the Glass-Seagall Act.  US companies have a 2 trillion in cash that their sitting on.  Companies get tax breaks for shipping jobs overseas and Republicans blocked a buy American provision.  Republicans enjoy giving welfare to large multinational corporations.  

Bush showed cluelessness AS WELL.  What did we get under Bush? Phony economic “prosperity” partially or mostly propped up by an artificial housing bubble, easy credit, etc.  ONLY 3 million net jobs, MORE outsourcing (as usual) of American jobs, etc.  WHO doesn’t know how to create jobs?

Remember when Clinton, the guy who RAISED taxes (among other things) as a Democrat, presided over the longest peacetime economic expansion??  Don’t give me this crap about how “Obama is killing the economy.” that’s just NONSENSE!  It’s unsupported by real facts and is just to scapegoat Obama rathe than putting the blame where it lies- business’s refusal to hire people and lack of demand. THAT’S IT! It’s not “overregulation.” Hell, if companies were REALLY overregulated, would we still have so many big businesses that make BILLIONS in profit? How do you measure “overregulation”?

IT’S SUBJECTIVE!

…Wasn’t the financial reform actually pretty watered-down, from what I hear? So WHY do I keep hearing bitching from right-wingers about how it “killed jobs” and shit? GIMME A BREAK! BESIDES, why can’t these banks be a little patriotic for once and HELP OUT by preventing a further crash by actually complying with the regulations, as much as they may cost (which won’t be a lot in the long run)?

REGULATIONS ARE FOR SOCIETY’S BENEFIT, not just to ‘add cost’ to business.  In the long run, most regulations SAVE the economy money, as well as lives sometimes.  But right-wingers are so short-sighted they ONLY see the ‘cost to business’, as if that’s ALL that matters. It makes me sick!!  

And btw, DOESN’T the HC bill actually give a tax CREDIT to small businesses that cover employees? What the fuck are you talking about with this “disincentive” nonsense? That’s just ideology talking. PROVE IT! You got at least a study or survey of actual small businessmen who said that??

Yeah…. Obama has had to borrow BECAUSE OF THE RECESSION!  LOSS OF TAX REVENUE THANKS TO A SHITTY ECONOMY! It’s not “increased spending” by much.  Obama’s proposed spending in budgets since he took office aren’t that far from Bush’s last one, believe it or not.  We DO have a revenue problem!  But Republicans wanna EXPLOIT the lack of revenues and only look at the deficit as an “indicator” of “massive spending”, which is nonsense.  A lie

But it’s easier to LIE and blame Obama for all our woes rather than deal with ACTUAL facts and the truth- which are, more often than not, in the middle, not entirely pro-left or pro-right.  Obama’s economic failures have been more due to incompetence and stagnation rather than intentionally trying to destroy the economy or his policies “making things worse.”  They just haven’t done ENOUGH to get our economy going again.  I’m so SICK of this uncertainty argument. IT DOESN’T HOLD!  Real economists know the problem is LACK OF DEMAND, esp. with 9% (some say as high as 20%, the ‘real’ rate) unemployment.

And btw, why is it ONLY the president’s job to “create jobs”?  What about the rest of Congress that he has to work with? Don’t THEY have some blame in this?  Or how about BUSINESS and the private sector? Why do right-wingers ONLY blame the president when shit hits the fan? You guys NEVER hold corporate America accountable, esp. in dire times like these! Business is sitting on $2 Trillion (“Trillion” with a t), and you’re bitching about Obama??  Rather than ask BUSINESS, “What’s the fuck is your problem? You’ve got all this money that’s MORE than enough to deal with ‘overregulation’ and shit, but you refuse to add jobs.”  You people are so laughable.  

You’ll do ANYTHING to prevent yourselves from having to look at the big picture and actually hold the private sector, which you almost WORSHIP, accountable.  It’s ALWAYS ‘the government’s fault’.

Bill O’Reilly is such a smarmy asshole. I bet he hasn’t had a SINGLE DAY as a poor or working class man.  He touts his “modest” background as having grown up in Levittown where his father made 35 grand a year… IN THE 1970s! 35 grand was obviously worth a lot more back then than now.  What would Billo know about having to work your way up the ladder of economic mobility?  He thinks social programs are just, “Handing out checks to poor, lazy bums”, probably.  It’s “redistribution”, which is SOOO EVIL.  Btw, did you know that ALL GOVERNMENT SPENDING is redistribution, more or less? It’s taking taxes from one person and giving those tax dollars TO ANOTHER.  But the ‘redistribution’ to the poor is somehow WORTH LESS than redistribution to, say, a corporation that makes billions? Or to a defense contractor?

Its like someone comes up with a fallacious piece of vitriol, and people like you parrot it like mindless sheep lacking and reason or self thought. I honestly pity you, and its also sad you fell for another Washington charade.

Main point of O’Reilly memo is correct-   are we a capatalistic country or not?  If so, lets make it easier for job creators to create jobs by financially incentivizing them to do so…. enough with the social reengineering and the insane spending of money we dont have.   And while we are at it, lets step up to the plate with someone with enough stones to make the type of entitlement cuts that are going to have to be made in a planned way before there is no money left causing cuts in an unplanned way like Greece.

Brandon Broze…..

” And btw, why is it ONLY the president’s job to “create jobs”?  What about the rest of Congress that he has to work with? Don’t THEY have some blame in this? ”

I agree. The dems had control of both houses the last two years of Bush and the first two of Obama . What was one of the brilliant plans by dem leader Nancy Pelosi  ?

Pelosi: Unemployment Checks Fastest Way to Create Jobs

” Unemployment benefits are creating jobs faster than practically any other program, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Thursday. ”
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/01/pelosi-unemployment-checks-best-way-create-jobs/#ixzz1U3trpoGa

The republicans have been in power for about eight months and have only one house . The dems have the senate and the presidency but libs now want to include congress and blame republicans . Days after the midterms some libs were mocking them asking where the jobs were. Yet four years of dem control and not a peep from these people.

Pretty sure it must be the economic data that recently came out…

You can’t even spell Glass-Steagall.  So you can hardly be expected to understand it.  By the way, no one blocked its “re-establishment.”   Rather Bill Clinton — a Democrat, the last time I checked — signed into law repeal of parts of its provisions. 

As for corporations sitting on trillions of dollars, the reasons they are not using it to hire and expand were outlined in my original comment above.  Honestly, you have to be pretty ignorant to cite that fact in defense of the President.

Thanks, though, for demonstrating the Left’s ignorance of basic economic facts.  I couldn’t have done that myself.

You go first. Write the government and tell them you will not accept your social security checks when you become eligible and that you will refused to be burdened by medicare. I am a job creator. The only thing thatmakes me hire more people is DEMAND. I certainly do not create jobs because I am saving or would save a few thousand 10′s of 1,000′s of dollars are reduced taxes. I will just pocket the money. DEMAND is not present when you take money out of the economy. Taxing the rich is the main solution to getting out of this economic mess. Don’t worry, Grip I am sure you are not close to being in that tax bracket.

Please move to Hatti. They have very little regulations down there. You will like it much better. Write when you find work.

No, terrorism implies fear, “terror”.  Terrorism can happen without any violence evolved.

No, terrorism implies fear, “terror”.  Terrorism can happen without any violence evolved.

“Obamacare, which O’Reilly argued would damage businesses significantly because so much of their money would now have to be invested in health care.”

And that’s the problem with the Right. They don’t realize that if you offered Medicare to ALL, then businesses wouldn’t have to pay ANYTHING for health care for their employees, outside of whatever private plan supplementation they wanted to offer. The only way to get these costs off of business is to make it affordable enough for people to buy out of their own pocket. Like nearly EVERY OTHER industrialized country on this planet.

I predict that the next buzz word to be misused will be extremist. While it denotes someone who takes something to the extreme it is fast becoming the synonym of terrorist. Misused and abused words or labels like racist, hater, fundamentalist, nazi.

To be literal Nacho is right. But by his definition Obama is a terrorist. He and his administration promote fear in at least half of all Americans. Also he uses fear tactics all the time like threatening that if the GOP didn’t capitulate to his debt deal plan seniors would not get paid this week. Likewise the GOP use fear when they warn of dire consequences if their plan is not implimented. Perhaps a bit simplistic Nacho.

Simplistic but true on both sides, it was used as a metaphor, a simplistic metaphor.

Nobody that called the Tea Party terrorists wearing bombs or blowing up the economy ever implied that they were actually going to use violence.

When the Tea Party are called terrorists it was because they were acting like terrorists.

They’re labeled as being racist because many of them are actually racist.

Opps, I mis-spelled a word, by the way you should check your grammar.  Republicans refused to re- impose the Glass-Steagall Act which contributed to the crash.   
The job losses were present before the Dodd-Frank Act and before Obama was sworn in, so your theory doesn’t hold water.  

Dishing out Fox talking points doesn’t mean you know something about basic economics.  

Since you did not get it… it stands for Return on Investment.  Something a supply sider can only get by cheating the system.

Wow.. that is something no one has heard before… so glad you explained it to us.  Would you like to explain to me why GWB’s budget through 2009 and the bailouts are not attributed to where it belongs, square in the GOP lap.  Try adding all the interest attributed to the long history of GOP debt, the military buildup expenses and see how much you can really attribute to the President (Just to help you out on that one I will leave a link after my rant). Why every Republican President since Reagan has left big deficits in their wake? Are always starting wars, hot or cold? Would you like to explain Wanniski Two Santa Claus theory and the ludicrous supply side arguments?  I have a lot of other questions for you since you explain the credit rating agency stance so well (oh wait, those are the guys that said sub prime was AAA)… but explain it to little ole me anyway since you have such a good grasp of the economy.

Here this should help you with your math and your education on debt.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Wow.. that is something no one has heard before… so glad you explained it to us.  Would you like to explain to me why GWB’s budget through 2009 and the bailouts are not attributed to where it belongs, square in the GOP lap.  Try adding all the interest attributed to the long history of GOP debt, the military buildup expenses and see how much you can really attribute to the President (Just to help you out on that one I will leave a link after my rant). Why every Republican President since Reagan has left big deficits in their wake? Are always starting wars, hot or cold? Would you like to explain Wanniski Two Santa Claus theory and the ludicrous supply side arguments?  I have a lot of other questions for you since you explain the credit rating agency stance so well (oh wait, those are the guys that said sub prime was AAA)… but explain it to little ole me anyway since you have such a good grasp of the economy.

Here this should help you with your math and your education on debt.

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Apparently you neither live up to your profile name or your supposed high minded thoughts.  I think perhaps you might consider giving your pity to our country. 

How is your boogie man argument doing now.  The whole fiasco has done it’s job.  Crash the economy, who cares?  The Tea Party got 98% of what it wanted…  aren’t you proud of your results?

P.S.  Oh yeah, isn’t it funny that all those people are cashing out and rushing to put their money into the treasury bills that is the government you want to destroy?

How about this, we would like our constitutional right to having representatives that actually represent us rather the good old Grover.

Seems to me you suffer from selective reasoning disease.  The rest of the world is laughing at us and with good reason…  Here.. right out of the Financial Times…

there is something sad about desperate Americans looking to a party that lacks any inclination to alleviate their misery. A second…it has failed at sensible economic management: because the Tea Party has a veto.

Seems to me you suffer from selective reasoning disease.  The rest of the world is laughing at us and with good reason…  Here.. right out of the Financial Times…

there is something sad about desperate Americans looking to a party that lacks any inclination to alleviate their misery. A second…it has failed at sensible economic management: because the Tea Party has a veto.

Oh how wrong you are.  That is unless you are one of “those” who don’t believe in science.  As a joke they did a study of Liberal and Conservative brains to look for differences.  Guess what?  I know you know this one is coming… Conservatives have an exaggerated fear center.  Guess that kind of put holes in your Liberal fear argument… it is you guys that are so paranoid about someone coming to take youir guns, your money, your children.  I watch Fox (when I am in a mood for a laugh), they spew more hate and fear than all other networks combined.  Oh no, I have to go, the Muslims and their Sharia law are coming, I have to go board up my home!

Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe it was the Tea Party that walked around with guns at political meetings, walked around with disparaging signs about the President and my personal favorite sign… Get your socialist hands off my Medicare.  Hard to take these people seriously if they weren’t so dangerous.

Yeah, it had no effect at all on the economy…  I also have some swampland for you.

Obviously there is no reasoning with people like you.  C’mon, let me hear about all those “job creators” that had 2 trillion on the balance sheets and how many new jobs we got from that.

I posted this earlier… read this and get an education… just sayin.

 http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Point two, if you have any property or investment income (which might be questionable given your responses), how did deregulation work out for the value of your property and investments?  Or do you even consider looking up the history of bank deregulation?  Google it. 

P.S.  Who is clueless again?

They just believe the supply side straw man argument.  Maybe one day they will actually turn on something other than Fox and learn something.

It comes from Jude Wanniski’s “Two Santa Claus” playbook.  They follow it and hope no one catches on.

Everything was watered down, I know I watched all the hearings on both health care and financial regs.  If things work then they can not take down the President.  So they filibuster everything until it is watered down so much it almost does nothing.  I think the Pres thought it was at least a first step and it could be more effective as it was streamlined for effectiveness.  I don’t think he is incompetent, just naive about how crazy and how they lie about anything to get their way.  Pay attention to this, everything they accuse the Dems of is exactly what they are doing.  It is an old psychological ploy and right out of the Rove playbook.  I still support the Pres, I will only give up on him if he doesn’t learn from this.  We have all met greedy, unethical people in our lives, it is what we learn from the experience that counts.

These are all Fox talking points fed to them by people like the Koch’s, Chamber of Commerce, et.al.  They support think tanks that come up with this stuff and hope that low information voters or old people who used to be true conservatives won’t realize how radicalized their party has become.  I know, I come from a conservative background.

Want to get really mad?  Research the BS that is going on with our Supreme Court.  That should get you active in the process.

Tisk tisk, I think you missed his point.  He isn’t saying those things work for him, they greedy SOB’s only worked for themselves or did you miss the hearings on the financial crisis.  Over nine hundred TRILLION in traunched MBS, CDO’s, Synthetic CDO’s, Swaps… I am sure you know all the details on how our banks tanked the world economy.  Do you wonder why the rest of the world is laughing at us while the Nero minded Tea Party is fiddling while this Rome burns?

You need to read more and get your head out of TV and talk radio BS.  Might I suggest “All the Devils are Here”.  It will explain it.  Don’t worry it is written so even someone like you might get it.

Not only do they get tax breaks (like expensing shutting down here and reopening there), but they get to defer the income too.  How sweet is that.  Now they want a 5% rated tax holiday to bring all that money back under the guise of job creation.  I guess the 2T isn’t enough incentive to actually hire someone.  What a farce, rewarding people for dodging taxes and saying this time it will be different 2004 didn’t count.  We will actually create jobs this time.  What is the saying… Fool me once….

Don’t be such a jerk.  I understand it pretty darn well and there is a long history behind deregulation with the next to the last nail being the repeal of Glass Steagall.  By the way it was a GOP congress that passed the bill and I did not agree with Clinton signing it in to law, nor NAFTA for that matter.  I don’t think I would be throwing around the term ignorant when you obviously don’t even know how we got there.

Ignorance… hummm well, at least I get a good chuckle out your posts.

Yes, wihen when the patients aren’t running the asylum or the mad experimental doctor is not in control.

How quickly we revert to tantrums when we are questioned… let me quess, you a Tea Party person.

How about you either reboot what I said, or not make backless assertions? If you are incapable of outlining how what I said was wrong, or how your remark has any grounds to it, then why comment at all? I do pity our country. And blind partisan parroting sheep that repeat the vitriolic idiocy that they are told; all while being too blind or narrow to see the entirety and reality. People like you though who defend such idiocy and insult others without any reasoning or point whatsoever are not worthy of pity at all.

Don’t respond unless you actually have something noteworthy to say.

wrong again.  How quickly we revert to tantrums?  Who’s throwing a tantrum – just stating my opinion.

I suppose you’re one of those even handed lefties who just wish people dead who you don’t agree with. 

p.s. bovine = cow (look it up)

wrong again.  How quickly we revert to tantrums?  Who’s throwing a tantrum – just stating my opinion.

I suppose you’re one of those even handed lefties who just wish people dead who you don’t agree with. 

p.s. bovine = cow (look it up)

There are many good books on projection, I suggest you read one.

It took you how long to reply with that? This is just another backless assertion from you. It essentially equates to ‘I know what you are but what am I’. Why didn’t you post that? It wouldn’t have made you look any less intelligent. As of yet you have refuted nothing, and made assertions without any reasoning to back them up. Are you just not capable, or are you too narrowly focused and lacking of the ability to support what you say with anything?

So I guess I’ll wait a week or so for another one liner that just proves how much of a child you are, and that you lack the ability to support your childish quips up with anything substantial. Keep trying.