Lawrence O’Donnell gets high on his own stench…….pathetic.

Lawrence O’Donnell resembles Hermann Goering after Herm let himself go & took up bad habits.

Lawrence O’Donnell worked with Olbermann, Olbermann was a nutcase, therefore Lawerence O’Donnell is a nutcase.  

Religion is ruining this planet

Finally -  a sane comment.

Is this the same O’Donnell who claims you can’t make associations between:

Obama…Rev Wright…Louis Farakan…Bill Ayers…Obama

???

That o’Donnel?

Larry and his ilk are terrified of a Perry run.  Larry can marry Perry to whomever he wants.  If Obama can have irregular people in his religious circles and win, so too can Perry.

Larry O’Donnell is anchored to a sinking ship and there’s not much he can do about it.  This piece last night is his latest attempt.  Pathetic.

By the way Crazy Larry, we were downgraded.  Something you said WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.  Take that and smoke it you socialist nitwit.

That’s a good point, that knowing someone, or even inviting them to a meeting or something, does not mean that you adopt that person’s views as your own.

Dumb.

Hmm, let’s see.  For the first time in history, the US has lost its triple A credit rating.  Record casualties in Afghanistan.  But the big story on MSNBC is an attack on the religious beliefs of a Republican governor.

Welcome to the network that also ignored the Japanese tsunami, and 10,000 dead — because it only runs gotcha stories and hit pieces. 

That’s all you got today, barack?

You call yourself moderate, use a picture of Alfred E. Newman therefore you are MAD!

What are you really trying to say here, Jack. I think you are a little off base. Therefore you must be a Jackoff 

Few things funnier in life than MSNBC hosts acting as defenders of the Catholic church.

Once again the right comes through with the thoughful, cohesive, insightful comments we have come to know and appreciate from these highly intelligent idealogues.

So MSNBC has not been covering those stories you mentioned?

Terrified of a Parry run? Surely you jest.

Let’s see… What news network passes by the News Corp scandal in Brittain, endlessly talks about Jerimiah Wright and will find fault and take the contrairian view to anything the president says. Who could that be…

im glad you hobbits expose yourselves and all your bible thumpin, faith healing, jew and cathoic hating, nazi lovin, pray away the gay believin, beck and haggee followin, bark like a dog on command in churchin,covent thy nieghbors wife’n, sniffin meth off a rent boys booty’n, god hates fags screamin, Koran burnin, mosque and clinic bombin, summer camp mass murderin, glory…..you should be proud of yourselves….see ya tonite asswipe…7pm @ Relient Stadium in Houston….dont forget to bring your bible and ya gun…cause ya never know where a MOOOOSLIM might be lurkin 

im glad you hobbits expose yourselves and all your bible thumpin, faith healing, jew and cathoic hating, nazi lovin, pray away the gay believin, beck and haggee followin, bark like a dog on command in churchin,covent thy nieghbors wife’n, sniffin meth off a rent boys booty’n, god hates fags screamin, Koran burnin, mosque and clinic bombin, summer camp mass murderin, glory…..you should be proud of yourselves….see ya tonite asswipe…7pm @ Relient Stadium in Houston….dont forget to bring your bible and ya gun…cause ya never know where a MOOOOSLIM might be lurkin 

LOL   Yep, that would be him!

Fox News covered the News Corp scandal.  Of course it couldn’t come close to MSNBC, which devotes around half of its coverage to its more successful rival.  They might as well put on a whole “Murdoch Hour” every evening on MSNBC — except they couldn’t fit all their attacks on Fox into a single hour. 

You could put all of MSNBC’s stories on unemployment into a thimble, and still have room for your finger.    

Does reality have to smack you in the face for you to understand basic economics. Here is what’s happening… Obama came into office and was able to give the country a good kick start for recovery. Of course he had to go HALF ASSED on his program because the Republican obstructionists were filibustering every move he made but what he was able to accomplish move us forward towards a recovery. Now that the Republicans have taken over the house and the TeaTards are jumping up and down about the national debt. Now with the TeaMorins in charge the country is going in the oppositedirections and spiraling down. This is not because of Obama. It is directly on the shoulders of the Republican party and their demagogues – the TeaTurds. Two year of Obama policy we stopped losing jobs, we gained private sector jobs, the stock market came back strong, corporate profits were up, etc etc. Now 8 months in to the year of the TeaIdiots and here we go again. back down the toilet. So America, you reap what you sow. You send lame brains to Washington like West and the rest of Tea Morons and you are going to get the great depression in return. Oregon, you are as silly as a goose. Your economics took the 10% in the last few weeks, TeaImbecils.Now we have been downgraded because, the REPBULICAN PARTY WOULD RATHER TANK THE GOVERNMENT THEN HAVE BARACK OBAMA ELECTED AGAIN. It’s Mitch McConnell’s #1 priority. Keep up the good work, Brownie!

You have truly hit the nail on the head here. These are the patients who have taken over the asylum. Our country is going down the shitter because these people finally got a hold of a little bit of power. Thanks for bringing our credit rating down in the process – you white trash group of trailer park scum.

MSNBC talks about unemployment all the time. They are quick to point out that the Republican party after being in office and control of the house has not come up with any program at all to address the jobs crisis. All they have done is create a divided country and cause the credit rating of the US to go down because they have been alarmists about the national debt. Good job TeaTurds. You brought our credit rating down. Keep up the good work, Brownie!

O’Donnell is Catholic, does he have the right to defend his faith against people who claim it is a cult? Sounds like you’re a Hagee supporter. Do you agree with Hagee’s take on Catholics?

When did you give up on honesty?

Aren’t all religions cults?

“Tea turds”….how profound.  Did you learn that from MSNBC?  Or did you make it up yourself?

You defend the impartiality of MSNBC, and dare talk of honesty?  What a joke!

Val, you have made so many comments here ridiculing people’s religious beliefs, that I lost count long ago.  So no one takes you seriously when you defend the Catholic Church.  Like O’Donnell you are playing a shallow, manipulative game to score trivial points. 

So let me get this straight….  If Perry invites someone (questionable that he ACTUALLY did the inviting) an “event”, he “owns” every statement that person has ever made?  BUT when the EXACT same argument is made about Common’s lyrics and his being invited to the WH…. well that’s just a preposterous notion, right Lawrence?  Just a bit hypocritical, dontcha think Larry? 

You know what’s really pathetic? Right wing nutters who won’t listen, can’t think and don’t care.

I was inspired by your stupidity, Felix…

If you take the definition of a cult (provided by the Merriam Webster Dictionary: : 

1. formal religious veneration : worship2
: a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents3
: a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents4
: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator 5a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fadb : the object of such devotionWith the use of logic it can easily apply to any “religion”. All employ propaganda and demand obedience. And usually are lead by a leader. The catholic church is lead by the Pope who is referred to as “The Holy Father”. If it walks like a duck….

‘But who can take seriously a news network that doesn’t cover the news?’….Agreed….they all play the game and need to be ‘ignored’ for such non-sense(FOX, MSNBC etc)!!!!! We should throw in the ‘talking-heads’ as well!!!

Uh, how many times did Obama ask Wright to speak at an event and give him a platform to preach his beliefs to others?

Obama sitting in Wrights church for 20 years? No big deal, doesn’t mean he holds the same views.

Obama inviting controversial people to white house? No big deal, doesn’t mean he holds the same views.

Obama inviting Rick Warren to give his inaugural invocation? No big deal, doesn’t mean he holds the same views.

Perry inviting Hagee, along with ALL other religious leaders, and who is listed as one of 74 *national endorsers* of the event? “Rick Perry is now married to his idea.” 

ah. ok. 

I believe this is one of the reasons why many of the Founding Fathers recommended a separation of Church and State.

It has no business in the affairs of a rational system of government. It only spreads its muck. 

And also, don’t forget that Obama specifically rejected the most egregious rantings of Wright. Unless Perry has done that, too — and perhaps he has and I haven’t heard it — the comparison is doesn’t work.

On the reason for the down grade… This is direct from the S&P release; “Compared with previous projections, our revised base case scenario nowvassumes that the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, due to expire by the end of 2012, remain in place. We have changed our assumption on this because the majority of Republicans in Congress continue to resist any measure that would raise revenues, a position we believe Congress reinforced by passing the act.” Republicans refusal to RAISE REVENUES is the reason for the downgrade. It is here in B&W from S&P.

How is this different than Obama recognizing the National Day of Prayer, and attending the National Prayer Breakfast? Or even when he held a seder?http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50…http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

The founders wanted a gov’t that didn’t require citizens to follow a gov’t sponsored religion or any religion at all.  NOT that religion didn’t have a place in gov’t.  There are references to God and the creator all through the founder’s writing.  The left continues to preach this false narrative of separation of church and state.

Its not different at all. I’m in total agreement with you. 

Obama publicly and expressly rejected the crazy pronouncements of Wright. You’ll recall that he gave a famous interview in which he specifically denounced him for many of his views.

Has Perry done this for Hagee or any of the other zealots? Probably not, since he’s invited him to come speak at his rally. 

As Dave notes here, this is all a perfect lesson in why the wall between church and state needs to be built up, not torn down. This event was a terrible step in the wrong direction. 

WE dont want your or any ones religion coming into play in making decisions about the governement. Is this hard to get through your thick head. I don’t believe in your god or any god. I don’t want fairy tales being a part of decision making. Can I make it any clearer for you.

Obama, Perry, and the rest of them have no business talking about religion. I could care less. Their job is to just preserve what’s left of this once great Constitutional Republic of ours. It’s a shame none of them have anything to say about it.

Common was a completely made-up, Fox News nontroversy:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jon-stewart-common-daily-show-glenn-beck-fox-news-2011-5

You’re right. There should have been much more attention paid to the fact that S&P specifically called out the country’s failure to commit to raise revenues. It’s time we examined how the tea party zealots took us to the brink and cost us our credit rating.

That’s a lie. Unemployed is extensively, extensively covered on MSNBC, in the evening notably but not exclusively on Ms. Maddow’s and Mr. Schultz’s program.

When you lie like you did about unemployment coverage on MSNBC, what do you expect?

Ironically, it was Lawrence O’Donnell who expressly called out his network and NBC for not reporting on the tax dodges of General Electric. It definitely deserved far more attention from within. But that doesn’t exonerate Fox News for the meager — and largely defensive — coverage they gave the Newcorp debacle. 

Like I asked, do you agree with Hagee regarding Catholics? And why is it a problem for O’Donnell, a Catholic, to defend his faith from people who say that it is a cult?

And the right fails to recognize that the god referred to by many of the Founding Fathers was not even the christian god. Many of them were deists (they believed that the “Architect of the Universe was a god who had no part in human affairs, gave us free will and free reign)

Thomas Jefferson re-wrote the new testament (The Jefferson bible) omitting all mention of miracles and the resurrection itself.

Here’s a nifty Ben Franklin Quote: “A lighthouse is more useful than a church”

And if you read one word of America’s greatest founding father (Thomas Paine) you’d know that Rights Of Man dedicates large portions to describing the evils of all organized religion. 

The founding fathers did not want religion in government. Plain and simple. Europe was all about religion having a place in government, It was called the FIRST ESTATE. And what did that do? It gave them the DARK AGES.

This country was founded on the ideas and philosophy of THE ENLIGHTENMENT. 
READ YOUR OWN HISTORY… please?

In would be helpful if you would be a disclaimer before the fact so that Felix and Moderate and their ilk don’t get confronted with facts about which or by reason of which they will have to make up new lies.

Matthews is Catholic, as well.

Obama stayed with Wright because he needed a black base to get him elected to the Illinois Senate. And he did it.  He kissed enough black ass and the old Church Ladies went along with him and he got elected. Perry is a Western Christian. Western Christians are usually led by Brylcream’d trashy looking people like this Rev. who probably bought his degree in theology from the back of some magazine.  He looks like a strict minded trash loon. That Perry would embrace him and tar himself with that brush – which is what O’Donnell means – is unfortunate, but that’s what happened. The Rev. is of the tradition of the guy on the wagon train who could read, had a Bible with him, so people figured he must know what he was talking about.  That is what most Mid-Western Protestants are. These guys are not Theological PhD’s  They are slick talkers who pass the collection basket and live very well.  Crystal Cathedral anyone?

I am not surprised that the virulent Conservative Victimization Syndrome has spread to Italy. Well, at least Tumbleweed has national health care to get the medication and therapy she needs.

You said MSNBC does not cover unemployment stories (which is silly and not even close to being true), and you consider that honest? 

I agree. And vice-verse. When government and religion mix, religion always suffers.

Of course, there are such references. The founders were largely Deists. That is a Christian heresy, like Mormonism.

So, just to be clear, O’Donnell has no problem with the allowing Obama his radical anti-American religious leaders. He doesn’t attribute their inflammatory preaching or their controversial views of other ideologies to Obama. Obama doesn’t get tagged with Wright’s “God Damn America” for one example
Perry doesn’t get that same consideration from O’Donnell. Indeed, every phrase that Hagee has uttered seems to be attributed to Perry according to the righteous Mr. O’Donnell.
It defies logic and reason as with so much that O’Donnell says to manipulate his listeners. Quite a piece of work ain’t he?

Obama publicly denounced him because he was running for President, and the video tapes got out. If you’ll recall, Obama’s first actions were to lie, then to defend Wright. He finally denounced him. Putting aside the fact that he sat in the church for 20 years…. 

Has Perry ever sat in Hagee’s church? Has he ever heard these statements? 

Do you have a link that supports your statement that Perry invited Hagee to speak? 

Hagee’s video said he was on a conference call with spiritual leaders around the country, who were all invited to attend. I can find nothing about Perry inviting Hagee to speak, or even personally inviting him. He is listed as one of 74 national endorsers – Not as a Leader, not as a Chair, or Co-Chair. Just an endorser. 

http://theresponseusa.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxRWpJ49AE4&feature=player_embedded

The only thing that makes religion suffer is when mankind feels good about itself. When Men look up and see airplanes, read books, watch the moon landing, see numerous diseases cured and the standard of living on the rise… This is what makes religion suffer.

Religion only prospers by government fiat (Dark Ages), massive poverty and illiteracy (Africa and the Middle East) and of course when men whole heartedly by into original sin garbage. 

Like Obama not supporting gay marriage because of his religious beliefs? Or when he says God Bless America? 

I agree, I don’t want religion coming into play when making decisions, but I don’t get bent out of shape over a prayer event. But I agree with *guest* above about the founders, and their intent wrt church and state.

Sadly Guests comments are not supported by history or the facts.

this comment is off topic and a personal attack on me. It has no place on this site. 

we are having a perfectly civil discussion on the topic, and this comment is meant to derail the civil discourse and personally attack me. 

Rick Perry, Mitt, anyone is better than keeping a communist in power!
It may be early in the campaign season, but the Communist Party USA already has seen fit to endorse Barack Obama for the 2012 election.While noting he is disappointed with “some aspects” of the Obama administration’s domestic and foreign policy, Sam Webb, chairman of the Communist Party USA, threw his support behind Obama’s re-election bid.Read more: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=329449#ixzz1UGdz8WZq

I’m not a fan of Obama, but you do realize that calling him a Communist (nonsense) does not do your argument any justice. If you want to win an election win it by actual ideas and not mindless rhetoric. 

Communism largely doesn’t exist. It’s last bastions are in North Korea and Latin American countries such as Cuba. 

China can’t even be called communist anymore. It’s a statist dictatorship, but its not communism.

Agreed. Personal attacks should be left to the hacks on the right and left who have no ideas. We call them Cable News Primetime pundits. 

I think you are right on that guilt by association argument. O’Donnell probably does owe the Texas gov and apology on that. Are you now willing to apply that standard yourself and say that Obama is not guilty for associating with Wright or Ayers? And do you owe Obama an apology, also?

I think you are right on that guilt by association argument. O’Donnell probably does owe the Texas gov and apology on that. Are you now willing to apply that standard yourself and say that Obama is not guilty for associating with Wright or Ayers? And do you owe Obama an apology, also?

But this story about Perry and Hagee is legit?  You prove my point

But this story about Perry and Hagee is legit?  You prove my point

My take away is that the left is scared of Perry, hence the hit pieces. And I wonder whether O’Donnell is a big fan of the Church himself, given his liberalism (didn’t he self identify as a socialist on air a year or two ago)? Does anyone think that Perry will bring back the anti-Catholicism of the Know-Nothing Party? If anything, Obama is more anti-Catholic in his political positions (eg ObamaCare contraceptive regs for Catholic hospitals which dont exclusively treat Catholics).

And re the Hobbit name calling, just a reminder, the hobbits were the good guys and they won. So way to go with a senseless, incoherent epithet.

You do remember the hobbits were the good guys, right? What a nonsensical epithet.

Did you comprehend my statement?  I clearly said “or any religion at all”.  Who has the thick head?

Did you comprehend my statement?  I clearly said “or any religion at all”.  Who has the thick head?

You know full well that if the British hacking scandal had been tied to any other newspaper in Britain except a Murdoch paper, it would have been ignored by MSNBC.  If it had been the Guardian or the Telegraph that had done these things, there would have been complete radio silence on the story in the US.  And for obvious reasons: the US media does not report on journalistic transgressions in other countries.

But they follow different rules when it comes to Murdoch.  And of course its merely coincidence that his media outlets are destroying them in ratings, circulation, etc.  

Once again, I didn’t specify Christianity.  I clearly said “religion”, whether that be deity or anything else or  NO RELIGION AT ALL.  Separation of Church and state was intended to grant religious freedom, NOT omission of religion. 

Yea, you are right, guilt by association sucks. I have been making that argument here for a couple years. Now do you understand why it is wrong when Sarah says that Obama “pals around with terrorists”? Perry certainly is not endorsing Hagee by including him in with many other religious leaders, etc. Likewise, when Obama meets with a Univ. of Illinois professor, that does not mean he endorses everything the man may have said or done 30 years before. Right?

RELIGION doesn’t equal Christianity.  DEISM is a form of religion, can you grasp that?  Or are you a liberal drone who cannot let go of your talking points?

http://www.scribd.com/doc/61684192/Rick-Perry-s-Texas-A-M-Transcript
This is Rick’s college Transcript…. 
He might not revive the Know Nothing Party… But he sure doesn’t know anything. 

I’m not a democrat… But i’m a sucker for facts and logics.. We tried a C average Texan once… IT DIDN’T END NICE.

You talk about facts?  Have you ever put up a comment here that didn’t fall back into tired name-calling or pulled out that crumpled, old race card? Face it, you do have a track record here that all can see…

Deism is not exactly a religion as it is not organized or have a strict doctrine. It’s a form of spirituality.
Again, facts and definitions matter. Check your premises. 

mind pointing out the last mention of wright anywhere?  Must have missed it.  

It’s time for you and others to tone it down there champ.  

p.s. I haven’t seen any newspaper that deals in “good news only” – wish there were such a thing.

Sitting in a church pew for 20 years, inviting him to bless his Presidential announcement, having his marriage performed by him, having him baptize his kids, calling him like an uncle, and dedicating a book to Wright’s sermon is an endorsement of the Rev. 

Sending out an ALL included invite to religious leaders around the country is a pretty weak argument to say that Perry is now MARRIED to those statements. Now, had Perry sat in his church, and written a book dedicated to him I would say he was endorsing those extremist views. If he was personally invited, or invited to speak (still waiting for links) I would say that was really stupid.

Obama writing a book review for one of Ayers books is an endorsement of the man – perhaps not the WM terrorist, but the man and his book. The same guy who dedicated a book to the killer of Kennedy. I wouldn’t have touched one of his books. Nor would I have kicked off my political career in his living room. That doesn’t mean Obama is married to his terrorist ways, but it certainly made me question his judgment. 

And if Perry asked Hagee to speak, or endorsed him, it would most definitely make me question his judgment. 

Howard, Howard – the S&P specifically called out “no debt reductions” sweets.  That’s the only thing they specifically called out.  Those doofus’ must all be Tea Party members right?

I’m sorry, the Wall of separation between Church and State was meant also to protect from the establishment of a theocracy. Religion is not a logical or rational form of decision making. 

You are free to believe what you want. But the idea that the Founding Fathers intended to make foreign policy decisions based on anything but facts, reasons, and statistics is ridiculous. They advocated REASON, not mysticism. 

I regret that I may only give you one “like” for your comment, it’s genius, but if I may offer, by his nom de guere, he’s a “Stoned jackoff.”

Wow, reasoning like that makes your avator so much more meaningful.

You are exactly right – “they are quick to point out….” which is the problem in a nut shell isn’t it?  They are lying to you and you’re lapping it up like a good little doggie.  Honestly, if brains were dynamite….

Wonder why you guys don’t want to mention that you could have done it all without any input from the republicans but even you knew it was a powder keg so you all steered clear and hoped some adults would step in and solve the problem.  The issue now of course is that the republicans control 1/3 and 2/3 are out to get them.  Don’t know about you but when you are outnumbered it’s a tough row to hoe.  

Nothing is going to change with the present government.  The President set the tone and unless there is a change in who’s sitting in the oval office – nothing is going to get done.  We will continue to watch a mud fight and shake our heads and blame each other and it will be the same old same old.

Just like a bunch of students take their cue from the teacher – and if the teacher is ineffective none of the students learn.  I do wish that someone would step up from the democrats and change the tone of the rhetoric but I honestly don’t see it on the horizon, do you?

I hate to break it to you, but MSNBC hides economic news unfavorable to the President.  Like, duh, you really didn’t know that….

It clearly dosn’t matter to you guys who the “good guys” are, you keep siding with the ones who are trying to destroy the country today, the NazTea-Party.

Had I said that Obama believed everything those religious leaders said, an apology would certainly be in order. Thankfully I wasn’t silly enough to attribute their exact words to Obama as O’Donnell did with Perry. Guilt by association was not the issue.

Don’t care what Hagee says about my religion.  I don’t have to defend my beliefs because I’m comfortable with them.  People say and believe what they want.  

Am I concerned about Perry having a faith rally?  Not in the least.  Was I concerned when Pelosi was putting false words in the Pope’s mouth?  No – she’s a Catholic and whatevah…..

Mediaite knows how to push buttons and yours keep ringing.  

Hagee?  Don’t drag me into your tired gotcha games.  This is why no one takes the liberal media seriously.  The US debt just got downgraded for the first time in history.  31 Americans just lost their lives in Afghanistan.  Tens of millions of Americans are out of work.  And you want to play gotcha with Hagee? 

You couldn’t make this stuff up….

According to those in Wright’s church, he went nut sack nuts once Obama was in the national spotlight.  Kind of like the crazy uncle some of us have that loose their reality filter when they get older.

This – from a Republicultist.

Gotcha games? All he asked was if you agreed with Hagee or not. Do you? Its a simple question. What’s with everyone making simple questions into gotcha questions???

Here’s my answer, Dave:  I pay zero attention to Hagee. Does that answer your question? Could I possibly make it any clearer?

Ayers?

Instead of using 20 words to answer a question that requires only a yes or a no. Yeah, you could have.

And in the past three years over 100K people died in the U.S. for lack of health care…

I don’t have my glasses on, but is your User Pic of Star Trek creator Gene Roddenberry?

To steal from Felix: 
Here’s the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

So which of those clauses is Rick Perry violating?  Is he advocating a law to establish a religion?  Or is he prohibiting the free exercise thereof?

By the way, your attack on Perry’s “free exercise thereof” seems a far clearer violation of the first amendment than anything he is doing.http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-gov-rick-perrys-the-response-religious-event-live/#comment-279304015

To steal from Felix: 
Here’s the first amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof

So which of those clauses is Rick Perry violating?  Is he advocating a law to establish a religion?  Or is he prohibiting the free exercise thereof?

By the way, your attack on Perry’s “free exercise thereof” seems a far clearer violation of the first amendment than anything he is doing.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-gov-rick-perrys-the-response-religious-event-live/#comment-279304015

and 98,000 die each from the health care

A non-story that Frances thinks she can use to divide Republicans. What she doesn’t realize, is that all religions think that they’re right and others are wrong. Progressives can’t seem to wrap their head around the notion that, while Protestants think that Catholics are going to hell and vice-versa, there’s a mutual respect for the fact that they all at least have the balls to proclaim their beliefs, in addition to having a common political philosophy. Progressives just see “Christians”, and Frances stepped out like a cabbage.

Exactly where did I attack his right to believe what he wants? He’s free to do so. As I’m free to say that politicians have no business talking about religion. 

The problem is that Rick has stated that this a “Christian themed” event. Not an all inclusive event. Therefore, he is crossing the line. I’m not the only one who thinks this:

Washington Post- On Saturday in Houston, thousands of people are expected to gather at Reliant Stadium for a Christian-themed prayer service that Mr. Perry created and promoted. Though Mr. Perry has been criticized for spearheading an event that burnishes his conservative Christian credentials as he considers running for president, the prayer rally is only the latest instance — albeit the highest profile one — of the governor of the nation’s second-largest state emphasizing his Christian beliefs and blurring the line between church and state.

I didn’t mention Ayers.

You don’t even know the definiton of communist… What an idiot you are.

Mutual respect? Since when? Certainly not the hundreds of years of war and blood splattered between Catholics and Protestants arguing over whose god is better.

Also, its quite common among Protestants to refer to the Catholic Church as “The whore of Babylon”.

And do you really believe Catholics and Protestants have a monolithic “common political philosophy”?
Since when?

He’s an elected public servant. I’m sure there must be some Jewish folks in the state of Texas. I’m sure there’s even Buddhists and Hindus. Maybe even Muslims. 

Some of them might have elected this man. And there he is advocating one very particular religion. Why doesn’t he stop babbling about religion and start reading about economics. I posted his college transcripts earlier… Economics was not his strongest subject. He could use the study time.

Not this time.

his comment was for someone else, on another thread. i copy and pasted it, hence the link i posted. 

Perry worked for dumbya- dumbya was and is a total un-american Nazi- therefore Perry is a Nazi.

Let me get this straight, Dave:

(1)  Rick Perry has “the right to believe what he wants”

But

(2)  he has “no business talking about religion.”

So I guess the key mistake Perry made was “talking” — he has complete religious freedom but isn’t allowed to express his religious views. 

Thanks for clearing this up.  We now have a better understanding of the liberal interpretation of the first amendment.  

All you people have to do to solve this problem is to raise taxes. It’s a simple solution to a complex problem. Why is there the biggest gap between rich and poor in this country inour nations history? Repbulican economic policies plain and simple. This goes beyond taxes to deregulationa and absolutely no enforecement of anti-trust laws and the biggest debacle when the FCC allowed corporations to won as many media outlets as they could by up. All of these great Republican initiatives have doomed this country. Oh and I forgot the Repbulican controled Supreme Court declaring that corporations were people and could put as much money into an election as they wanted so they could lie to the less educated and get them riled up to vote against their own self interest.

Fox watchers have no morals or ethics- your style of arguing is just to accuse others of the shit you do on a regular basis. Freud called it projection. it fits you very well loser.

Sorry Dave, I was making dinner, and was cut short in my reply. I posted Felix’s comment because I think it was an excellent comment. The line about *attack* wasn’t directed at you, but the comment is a relevant reply to what you were saying. 

“Mr. Perry rejected the accusations of exclusion. “It is Christian-centered, yes, but I have invited and welcome people of all faiths to attend,” he said in an e-mail on Friday.”
So, some people are mad he is having it at all, and others are mad it is Christian based…. 

Why do people from other religions want to come? Do all religious events have to be non-denominational? 

“On Monday, Eric Bearse, the event’s spokesman, who formerly worked as Mr. Perry’s communications director, gave a longer explanation in an interviewon American Family Radio, a network run by the family association:“A lot of people want to criticize what we’re doing, as if we’re somehow being exclusive of other faiths. But anyone who comes to this solemn assembly, regardless of their faith tradition or background, will feel the love, grace, and warmth of Jesus Christ in that assembly hall, in that arena. And that’s what we want to convey, that there’s acceptance and that there’s love and that there’s hope if people will seek out the living Christ.’”

What Frances doesn’t know, and what progressives can’t wrap their head around, is that, yes, protestants think Catholics are going to hell and vice-versa, but there’s the mutual respect for having the balls to proclaim their faith, in addition to being like minded, politically. Progressives, like muzlims, have zero tolerance for those who have different beliefs; this is why Frances thinks this is a story. It’s not.

Just search Youtube for Larry’s huge rant on mormonism and how false it is.  Larry is such a major hypocrite.  Why would an atheist give crap except to score a cheap political point.

What reason would that be, Dave? Are you saying that public service excludes people who have religious beliefs?

Should it be a problem?  This commentary right here is showing of copy-cat remarks. If one of you decides you don’t like something…the rest chime in!  To defend the Catholic religion (by the way, of wish I’m not) is not a cult.  It happens to be the FIRST religion formed and the rest are off-shoots of Cathlicism. Catholicism is the belief in God and our prophet Christ. The reason Romney is saying that… is because his religion has been known as a cult for centuries. If trying to place himself on a level as Catholic’s means cult to him, then he has no religion at all. He has just cooked his goose you might say.  He will never get a vote from me for that remark. Those of you who don’t believe in anything should not be bothered by that remark. He is saying what you want to hear.

Perry is trying to out-pander Romney by getting all the religious nuts in his camp.

Mediaite does no how to push buttons.  Some of you melt right into it and some are smart enough to figure what is going on.  People can believe what they want….we are all free to do that. But just because you don’t seem to have any doesn’t mean I’m not going to defend mine or others. We are all a product of our upbringing, but do have choices in having a religion or not having one. How you feel about it is your choice.

when I comment, it shows up, but if I reload the page, it’s gone. disqus sucks.

While I’m not really a Rick Perry fan, did he attend Pastor John Hagee’s church for 20 years and then say he never heard any negative Catholicism statements?? ( Like some other guy we know ) Or did he just hold a religious event inviting a large number of pastors from all types of religion that shows he’s a religiously tolerant individual??? Maybe you should find a new squawk box Lawrence and stop trying to connect dots that don’t exist.

Hey Byrnie, getting back to the point of the article.

Given your name and the shamrock, I will presume that you are Irish Catholic.

What are your thoughts on Perry associating himself with someone who obviously hates Catholics?

Do you have an opinion?

Hey Byrnie, getting back to the point of the article.

Given your name and the shamrock, I will presume that you are Irish Catholic.

What are your thoughts on Perry associating himself with someone who obviously hates Catholics?

Do you have an opinion?

Rick Perry isn’t married to any idea, he just runs his mouth and says what the TPARTY BASE, prior the MORAL MAJORITY, wanted to hear. the man is a state’s rights advocate and accept secession as a solution to the nation’s problems. He has in fact advocated treason for political gain. He is unfit to be President of the US. He can not pledge to preserve, protect and defend a union he does not believe in.

The Church defines Deism as a heresy. Ergo, for Christians, it is a heresy. Having said that, I have a bit of Deism in my own theology. “The Spacious Firmament on High ….:

We’re all drowning in drivel since Tumbleweed has cast herself back into our presence.

Your response affirms that you suffer mightily from CVS. I shall pray for you at Mass tomorrow.

And remember that was a Yale C average. Tollbooth went to Texas A&M. A&M is no Harvard. You can get a C just for coming to class.

What is interesting is that Tollbooth’s constituent at this rally is one and the same group which will never, bever vote for a Mormon. Fundamentalists abhor Mormons.

Indeed, there is not a genuine bone in Tollbooth’s body. People rightfully think Willard spins. Tollbooth is a runaway Whirlpool on steroids.

Rick Perry should make up his mind about whether to run for President or promote his religious beliefs. I’m a conservative who believes the two shouldn’t be mixed.

Please don’t equate the Tea Party with the Moral Majority. The former believes in constitutional government regardless of one’s religious convictions, while the latter believed mainly in self-serving religious principles which have little to do with the practical world.

Excuse me, Valkyrie, but just have many of you are there? So far I’ve seen three of you with that name, one of which has a 5-digit number after it, one with no number, and yourself. Are you all different people? Just curious.

So does Fox News for that matter…..been at it a lot longer than O’Donnell.

That rascal Loki keeps fooling around with my account.

I’m glad to see the Liberals are upset about the Catholic church. His VP choice will be Marco Rubio (who is Catholic) & the problem will be solved. 

I am terribly, terribly disappointed that my trusted source for news, FOX NEWS CHANNEL (of course!) did not carry Gov. Goodhair’s campaign, I mean, prayer rally live.
Are they becoming heathens like the rest of the main stream media?
My God, my God?
Has Fox News forsaken me?
Amen.
Alleluia.
Amen.

this comment is off topic and a personal attack on me. It has no place on this site. we are having a perfectly civil discussion on the topic, and this comment is meant to derail the civil discourse and personally attack me. 

Isn’t TPaws comment like calling the tea kettle black? I mean aren’t the Evangelists a cult group too? I’m protestant by birth but I don’t go around claiming my way or the highway because of my personal relationship with god wouldn’t want me too.
Don’t do as I say but do as I do……………..I’m tired of these people and their petty self righteousness, and most Americans probably are too……….

In Texas they have large segment of their population working at below minimum wage because they are drop outs of the public school system and they aren’t the brightest bulbs in the kitchen. So people like televangelists and their government leaders can get away with this religious idolatry because its all they got left to hold on to. It’s like the Taliban in Africa and the middle east……………..

For Perry, this event was more about political favors and contributions than religious ideology IMO.  The ties to the key people who supported this event have teamed up with Perry monetarily in the past and I’m sure will continue to so so if he decides to run.

LMAO… Lawrence O’Donnell now speaking on behalf of Catholics? But that’s not even the funniest part, what’s more funny is that he brings in a “Democrat Catholic” to make his case….LOL

“Democrat Catholic” is an oxymoron, and “Catholics” like Nancy Pelosi,
Joe Biden and John Kerry all prove my point. The three of them strongly
support homosexual marriage, abortion, and Embryonic
stem cell research which all differs not only against the tenets of
Catholicism, but against the tenets of Christianity in general,
ACCORDING TO THE HOLY BIBLE. Democtrat-supporting christian faith based
groups have perverted the Christian faith, which is meant to be based
ONLY on the Holy Bible, and not some politically correct ideology.

LMAO… Lawrence O’Donnell now speaking on behalf of Catholics? But that’s not even the funniest part, what’s more funny is that he brings in a “Democrat Catholic” to make his case….LOL

“Democrat Catholic” is an oxymoron, and “Catholics” like Nancy Pelosi,
Joe Biden and John Kerry all prove my point. The three of them strongly
support homosexual marriage, abortion, and Embryonic
stem cell research which all differs not only against the tenets of
Catholicism, but against the tenets of Christianity in general,
ACCORDING TO THE HOLY BIBLE. Democtrat-supporting christian faith based
groups have perverted the Christian faith, which is meant to be based
ONLY on the Holy Bible, and not some politically correct ideology.

The Moral Majority was an EXCUSE FOR THE RISE OF REPUBLICAN PARTY, pretending to be champions of a VICTIMIZED society, forgotten and abused. In reality, they were just another ploy to divide the nation along religious and cultural lines.

Good lord.  If O’Donnell wants to play the game of who owns quotes through tangentially associating with those other people who make them in some manner (a far cry from having an “associative” relationship with someone for 20 years, your kids being baptized by them, going so far as to having one of your books titled after a frequent saying of the “associate”), might I remind him his entire network is now associated with REVEREND AL SHARPTON?

MSNBC, race bating defenders of murders, rioters and fake rape victims.  From here on out.

I don’t seem to recall O’Donnell getting that worked up over Obama’s decades long association with Wright.

As for Hagee, I’m a church-going Catholic and, I would suspect, probably more on the same page with the Vatican than O’Donnell, and yet I’m overwhelmed by a sense of not-giving-a-damn about what some dumbass prot thinks of the Catholic Church.

Thanks for jumping in and taking on Byrnie. I come from a family of Irish Catholic coal miners from Pennsylvania. My dad was born in 1904. Our entire family are ND fans and love the Kennedy’s. We are proud of what we are and don’t have a lot of time for Irish Catholics who play on the same team as Catholic bigots as Hagee, Falwell, Robertson, etc. Guys like Byrnie turn my stomach. They are suck-ups to the Anglo bigots who hate, not just Muslims, but Blacks, Catholicism, Jews, Latinos, etc., They hate anybody that’s different, and even though this country was built on an ideology of equality and fairness, right from its beginnings, the Anglo bigot accepted and respected no one that was different. Myself, I am well educated in Catholic schools, multi-lingual, MA and MBA, retired executive in International business having traveled all over the word and having lived in Europe for my job. But this son of a pig-shit Irish coal miner still has coal dust under his fingernails and proud to be also a pig-shit Irishman like my dad, unlike the likes of Byrnie who turns his back on what he is.

From ND Fan.

Come on Felix. Answer Dave. Do you agree with Hagee or not – yes or no? Your silence tells me that maybe you’re a bigot too. Well what is it – one word – yes or no?

Are people really taking Rick Perry seriously as a presidential candidate? This is the same guy who  talked about secession a year ago. He doesn’t even believe the USA should exist. But that’s good enough for the bigots, I suppose.

The hardest obstacle to overcome will be the idea that anyone who challenges
the prevailing consensus of the past 50 years is irrational and
irresponsible. That is what is being said about the Tea Partiers. In fact,
what is irrational and irresponsible is the assumption that we can go on as
we are.

http://tinyurl.com/3lbbm3e

The people who are trying to avoid financial collapse are the people trying to destroy the country. Gotcha.

Lawrence o’donnel all your doing here is being unchristian! Why spend minutes bashing someone when you do understand Gods word?! Spend some time reading your bible and learning to love thy neighbor!!! God Bless You

O’Donnell seems to have a much deeper understanding of Biblical principles than most people who call themselves “Christian,” and it shows every time he schools these hypocrites on their self serving interpretations of scripture.

If that were true then why is virtually every Tea Party Republican obsessed with abortion and gay marriage?

If that were true then why is virtually every Tea Party Republican obsessed with abortion and gay marriage?

Who says they are?

You tell him, LAPhil. I agree. It’s  unfair to accuse all Tea Party members of being obsessed with abortion and gay marriage. We all know they’re all obsessed because the President is a Black gah (that’s “guy” in tea party pronunciation).

That is really stupid on your part. What evidence do you have that the Tea Party members are racist? This is something the liberal media made up and people like you are too gullible to question it.

A Catholic VP candidate for the Republicans, and a Latino to boot? That would mean they’re  desperate.  Too much of a risk of the tea partyers and the rest of the bigots staying home and not voting.

Are you kidding? At their rally in D.C. last year they spit of Black congressman who were walking to the Capitol. They were also carrying signs offensive to Blacks. As my kids used to say when some one missed the obvious – DUH!!

Dave, yes Catholics and Protestants have battled over the centuries and, until 1980, had usually been on opposite sides of the political spectrum in the U.S. But a large number of brain-washed Catholics now are solidly in the Republican camp thanks to the deal made by the previous Pope, JPII, a lover of conservative politics, and Ronald Reagan to get Reagan elected so he could support right wing, anti-communist dictators especially in Latin America. And that deal was to turn over the Catholic  vote to the Republicans via the Life-Abortion issue. Faulty theology was used by holding that one evil, abortion, trumps other evil. Abortion is evil (I’m a pro-life Catholic, but the Pope doesn’t tell me how to vote), but so are torture, wars based on lies, crushing the poor, stealing elections in a democracy, etc., but not a peep out of the U.S. Hierarchy about these other evils. Thanks to the Vatican, the Republicans can count on a large number of Catholics votes.