Rachel doesn’t like Vitter. But if Bill says he also doesn’t like Vitter, Rachel has to rethink it.

Those darn instant replays. But give credit to Bill for seeing through the hypocrisy of vitter/weiner eventually.

Check the term phony. A lot of the right wings were silent over Vitters action, he was rewarded with another 6 yrs term in the Senate. That’s the Family value party. for ya, you betcha!

We know what the likes of Rach think, because we know what Progressive Indoctrination TELLS her to think!

In fact, I can tell you what she’s going to say about any given issue, before she says it – because I know the tenets of the Progressive Religion better than most of their programmed adherents.

2012! – Turn back the 3-YEAR OBAMA DEPRESSION!

Bill is an entertainer. Thats all.

skyfet said:
Check the term phony. A lot of the right wings were silent over Vitters action, he was rewarded with another 6 yrs term in the Senate. That’s the Family value party. for ya, you betcha!

There was a seven-year period between when Vitter did had his indiscretions, and when the issue arose.

Weiner’s role was ACTIVE and ONGOING; and like most Democrats, he LIED to the Public, Media, and his own Party to cover it up.

2012 – Turn back the 3-YEAR OBAMA DEPRESSION!

I will never understand the logic in going after your competitor like MSNBC does.

The majority of their show is about FOX.

Rachel’s show at the 8:00 PM slot is usually in 3rd place. Promoting your Compeitor will usually keep you in that spot …and it has.

What a wasted Cable Network! Unlike the lefties who are glued to Fox hoping to find something to grip about, I can’t watch that channel for more than a minute or two every once in a while.

Boy, they can’t help promoting Fox. They’re obsessed.

Did Rachel ever call for the resignation of any D pol? Now that Obomber has ignored his own legal counsel, including his own AG, Holder, who told him the Libyan war is illegal without Congressional approval, will Rachel call on O to resign?

I thought she wanted to cover important issues. Wasn’t she whining about that just the other day? So why is she ignoring important stories and focussing on Weiner and O’Reilly?

She’s nothing more than a frivolous infotainer and a hyperpartisan hack.

donalan said:
Bill is an entertainer. Thats all.

And so is Rachel as this segment of her show proves.

And I’m sure BillO cares, well not at a.

Maddow now has less credibility than a used car salesman. Over the last three years, she has had many chances to take stands based on real values and not just partisan spin, and she hasn’t done it once. Not once. Never deviates from the party line. Never. Under no circumstances. Here O’Reilly agrees with her, but she still goes on the attack — as could have been predicted with 100% accuracy in advance.

Here’s a hypothetical question. Q. Under what set of circumstances would Rachel Maddow say something good about a person who doesn’t share her ideological convictions? The Answer: Never.

See, that was easy to answer, wasn’t it? That’s because we all have figured out that Rachel Maddow has sacrificed every other value — including honesty and integrity — to advance her agenda. Victory in power politics — even an ugly, dirty victory over worthless terrain — is the ONLY thing that matters to her. That’s Ms. Maddow in a nutshell

Of course, Rachel could learn from O’Reilly here, who demonstrates in the Vitter case that he takes hard stands against both Republicans and Democrats, and draws on deeper values than partisan politics. But Maddow even goes on the attack here. She SIMPLY CAN’T IMAGINE a cable news pundit having core values deeper than brute force politics. That tells you a lot about Rachel Maddow right there.

There is a certain irony at work here that even the liberals should be able to sniff out. If they haven’t shut down their critical reasoning completely.

skyfet said:
Check the term phony. A lot of the right wings were silent over Vitters action, he was rewarded with another 6 yrs term in the Senate. That’s the Family value party. for ya, you betcha!

As was Charlie “Tax Cheat” Rangle. He too was re-elected.

I suppose it is called tit-for-tat! You get one, we get one and life goes on.

Think forward, quit looking over your shoulder and wishing something would change.

So is anyone else catching the fact that MAddow is doing the EXACT same thing she is accusing O’Reilly of? She thinks Vitter should resign but Weiner was done wrong by the Dems (oh sorry she accused the Repubs… not the Dems who actually called for him to leave).

So she is doing the SAME thing. Her guy should stay… Vitter should go. Anyone else catch that? Hypocrisy much?

valkyrie101 said:
Those darn instant replays. But give credit to Bill for seeing through the hypocrisy of vitter/weiner eventually.

But Maddows hypocrisy still stands. :)

felixw said:
Maddow now has less credibility than a used car salesman. Over the last three years, she has had many chances to take stands based on real values and not just partisan spin, and she hasn’t done it once. Not once. Never deviates from the party line. Never. Under no circumstances. Here O’Reilly agrees with her, but she still goes on the attack — as could have been predicted with 100% accuracy in advance.

Here’s a hypothetical question. Q. Under what set of circumstances would Rachel Maddow say something good about a person who doesn’t share her ideological convictions? The Answer: Never.

See, that was easy to answer, wasn’t it? That’s because we all have figured out that Rachel Maddow has sacrificed every other value — including honesty and integrity — to advance her agenda. Victory in power politics — even an ugly, dirty victory over worthless terrain — is the ONLY thing that matters to her. That’s Ms. Maddow in a nutshell

Of course, Rachel could learn from O’Reilly here, who demonstrates in the Vitter case that he takes hard stands against both Republicans and Democrats, and draws on deeper values than partisan politics. But Maddow even goes on the attack here. She SIMPLY CAN’T IMAGINE a cable news pundit having core values deeper than brute force politics. That tells you a lot about Rachel Maddow right there.

There is a certain irony at work here that even the liberals should be able to sniff out. If they haven’t shut down their critical reasoning completely.

Well reasoned and well said.

skyfet said:
he was rewarded with another 6 yrs term in the Senate.

By the voters.

I don”t think the Dems should have forced him out. His voters wanted him to stay and they are the only one’s who should have mattered. But his wife came home and told him to give it up for the good of the party. They are gearing up for 2012 and his wife told him to fall in the sword for the greater good.

P.S. Vitter is a perv and i would not have voted for him. But if his state wants him it’s their right.

slickerwick said:
Did Rachel ever call for the resignation of any D pol?

C’mon liberals…show us the clip of her calling for Weiner’s resignation before it actually took place? I missed that episode of the Rachel Maddow show. All I saw was her checking in with Larry Flynt after the resignation — to get her expert on “ethical issues” to put everything into perspective. (And who can deny that Flynt has impressive expertise when it comes to lewd photos.) C’mon, please give us the link to the YouTube clip of Maddow demanding Weiner’s resignation the same way she is calling for Vitter’s.

Or show us the clip of her calling for any far left liberal’s resignation…under any circumstances. C’mon, lefties, let’s see it. Just one clip. She’s been on MSNBC for years now. So it shouldn’t be hard to find a single clip. There must be some far left politician somewhere in the world who has done something that violates Rachel’s personal ethical standards. She does have personal ethical standards, doesn’t she?

And if you can’t find a single instance of Rachel calling for a far left liberal to resign, please ask her to stop making a fool of herself by attacking others for their “double standard.” If you look up “double standard” in the dictionary, it probably has Rachel Maddow’s picture right next to the definition.

felixw said:
C’mon liberals…show us the clip of her calling for Weiner’s resignation before it actually took place? I missed that episode of the Rachel Maddow show. All I saw was her checking in with Larry Flynt after the resignation — to get her expert on “ethical issues” to put everything into perspective. (And who can deny that Flynt has impressive expertise when it comes to lewd photos.) C’mon, please give us the link to the YouTube clip of Maddow demanding Weiner’s resignation the same way she is calling for Vitter’s.

Or show us the clip of her calling for any far left liberal’s resignation…under any circumstances. C’mon, lefties, let’s see it. Just one clip. She’s been on MSNBC for years now. So it shouldn’t be hard to find a single clip. There must be some far left politician somewhere in the world who has done something that violates Rachel’s personal ethical standards. She does have personal ethical standards, doesn’t she?

And if you can’t find a single instance of Rachel calling for a far left liberal to resign, please ask her to stop making a fool of herself by attacking others for their “double standard.” If you look up “double standard” in the dictionary, it probably has Rachel Maddow’s picture right next to the definition.

Did she ever call for Rangel to resign? He broke the law bigtime and is still in Congress. The secret dealings and financial shenanigans and tax evasion would land any average joe in jail.

Well contributing to the horrid life prostitutes much live by actively being one of their clients is easily as bad as what Weiner did. For one Vitter broke actual laws.

Aside from that, calling out O’Reilly on lies just feels rote at this point. He’s a crazy lie machine, we all know. But I guess these kinds of segments get ratings.

slickerwick said:
Did she ever call for Rangel to resign? He broke the law bigtime and is still in Congress. The secret dealings and financial shenanigans and tax evasion would land any average joe in jail.

Or Maxine Waters — who funneled $12 million to a bank that was paying $1 million to her relatives. Maddow has had plenty of chance to take ethical stands that would show she isn’t just a party hack. But she has no interest in taking ethical stands. She WANTS to be a party hack.

The Lantern calls on Maddow to resign .

She knows what she did .

Prom Night Dumpster Baby said:
Well contributing to the horrid life prostitutes much live by actively being one of their clients is easily as bad as what Weiner did. For one Vitter broke actual laws. Aside from that, calling out O’Reilly on lies just feels rote at this point. He’s a crazy lie machine, we all know. But I guess these kinds of segments get ratings.

So you had a problem when Bill Clinton lied under oath (a crime)? I’m guessing not… ;)

pwnd

tatboy said:
So you had a problem when Bill Clinton lied under oath (a crime)? I’m guessing not… ;)

pwnd

No I thought was bad, especially for a person holding the highest office.

tatboy said:
But Maddows hypocrisy still stands. :)

Her hypocrisy for calling for Vitter to resign? Isn’t that what Bill just did? And I am not even sure if she really would advocate any of these guys to resign. The point is that the penalty, if any, should be applied fairly to all. If you are going to say weiner should resign for his crimes, then you must say that vitter resign for the same reason. That is the point.

Although I no longer live in LA I was a bit surprised that Vitter not only won but had virtually no opposition.

Southern LA is very much Le bon temps roulez but northern LA is in the bible belt. Perhaps it was that when the whole sordid affair was revealed he immediately manned up. No cover up! No weaselly attempts to justify and avoid the heat!

There was also several years difference between the revelation and his next election. That plus the fact that he represents his constituents well and the majority share his political philosophy may have also contributed.

For whatever reason there are also examples of thoroughly disgraced even convicted of felonies served jail time Dems winning reelection.

Rachel would complain if she were hanged with a new rope. Getting BillO to say what he did was a significant achievement on her part.

valkyrie101 said:
Her hypocrisy for calling for Vitter to resign? Isn’t that what Bill just did? And I am not even sure if she really would advocate any of these guys to resign. The point is that the penalty, if any, should be applied fairly to all. If you are going to say weiner should resign for his crimes, then you must say that vitter resign for the same reason. That is the point.

But SHE wanted Weiner to stay. Get my point. Vitter should go… Weiner should stay. She’s a hypocrite. She went on a long screed about how unfair it was for the Repubs (even though it was the Dems) to “force” Weiner out and it would set a standard for the next 10 years. She went on and on about how O’Reilly didn’t call for Vitter to resign at the time of the hooker/dirty diapers thingy. But she STILL thinks it bad for Weiner to have been forced out. So she can’t have it both ways… right?

I don’t know why Maddow is spending all this time trying to turn back the clock on the Vitter scandal, because it’s over and not news. It seems kind of mean-spirited to keep dragging it up. Also frankly, finding someone on the other side who made a similar mistake and arguing that therefore, the other side are ALL hypocrites is the most boring, unimaginative, played-out narrative ever.

Weiner lied to everyone: the leadership, his staff, his allies, his family and the media. He just doesn’t seem to understand how his actions affect other people. I don’t really see how it’s worth spending airtime to defend him. He wasn’t a very effective member of Congress! If you are a liberal or progressive (I am!), people who shoot off their mouths on cable news are not hard to find! Spend your airtime supporting people who are actually effective in supporting your policy goals, maybe?

What it boils down to is that Rachel feels she always has to disagree with the people on Fox, even when they agree with her.

Grammie said:
Although I no longer live in LA I was a bit surprised that Vitter not only won but had virtually no opposition. Southern LA is very much Le bon temps roulez but northern LA is in the bible belt. Perhaps it was that when the whole sordid affair was revealed he immediately manned up. No cover up! No weaselly attempts to justify and avoid the heat! There was also several years difference between the revelation and his next election. That plus the fact that he represents his constituents well and the majority share his political philosophy may have also contributed. For whatever reason there are also examples of thoroughly disgraced even convicted of felonies served jail time Dems winning reelection.

THANK YOU !!!! Why can’t people (esp the left) get it through their thick sculls that it is the cover-up… not the crime. If Weiner had manned up and said…. “Ya that’s me and I’m hung like a mule”… he’d have been fime. He’s a Dem…. no one really expects any different. (both sides do it I’m just kidding)

I’ll cut Billo some slack on this. He changed his mind. Isn’t that part of growing and evolving?

Emma said:
I’ll cut Billo some slack on this. He changed his mind. Isn’t that part of growing and evolving?

When Maddow changes her position to a more consistant one, I will cut her some slack as well. :)

Grammie said:
Although I no longer live in LA I was a bit surprised that Vitter not only won but had virtually no opposition. Southern LA is very much Le bon temps roulez but northern LA is in the bible belt. Perhaps it was that when the whole sordid affair was revealed he immediately manned up. No cover up! No weaselly attempts to justify and avoid the heat! There was also several years difference between the revelation and his next election. That plus the fact that he represents his constituents well and the majority share his political philosophy may have also contributed. For whatever reason there are also examples of thoroughly disgraced even convicted of felonies served jail time Dems winning reelection.

Articulate, but wrong. Vitter is a member of a party which tolerated the depraved, deviant behavior. One word from Mcconnell, and the pervert and his sirty diaper would have been gone.

Sorry, the pervert and his dirty diaper ….

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Articulate, but wrong. Vitter is a member of a party which tolerated the depraved, deviant behavior. One word from Mcconnell, and the pervert and his sirty diaper would have been gone.

Ted Kennedy……

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Articulate, but wrong. Vitter is a member of a party which tolerated the depraved, deviant behavior. One word from Mcconnell, and the pervert and his sirty diaper would have been gone.

and the democrats dont, lol

In the low viewership world of cable “news”, Bill-o is the ratings leader, by far, and he is no doubt dancing, willingly, to Murdoch’s and Ailes’ call to moderate. FOX “News” has alreadytapped the radical rightist viewership, and that particularly demographic is already diminishing, by a more youthful and more Hispanic American electorate. Bill-o’s instinct survivals are very good, and I applaud him for that.

cjd ohio 1 said:
and the democrats dont, lol

We sure got Weiner out with blazing speed. Ms. Pelosi tolerates no misconduct. McConnell thrives on it.

cjd ohio 1 said:
and the democrats dont, lol

What was the name of the Dem that was convicted and censured for having sex with underaged female staffers (See: rape)? Which is odd since he was gay (guess it’s the same thing as strait men molesting boys). But he was welcomed back with a standing ovation by the Dems.

tatboy said:
Ted Kennedy……

He’s no longer in the party, and even when he was I don’t seem to remember any stories of him dirty-diaper clas in a cat house.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
We sure got Weiner out with blazing speed. Ms. Pelosi tolerates no misconduct. McConnell thrives on it.

As the Repubs did with “Shirtless Craigslist Guy”… right?

The Maddow Show exists only to find out, “What can we catch FOX news doing this week”. Oh yes, Reilly is so negligent because he hasn’t openly demanded Vitter’s resignation but neither has the President who did recommend Weiner resignation. Is there a difference? Perhaps the hapless little boychild in the female body suit is also “too confused” about how Weiner forced his own resignation.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
We sure got Weiner out with blazing speed. Ms. Pelosi tolerates no misconduct. McConnell thrives on it.

charlie rangel, yeah no mis-conduct lol

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
He’s no longer in the party, and even when he was I don’t seem to remember any stories of him dirty-diaper clas in a cat house.

no, he just leaves people to die, but hey

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
He’s no longer in the party, and even when he was I don’t seem to remember any stories of him dirty-diaper clas in a cat house.

But he did kill someone… kinda worse don’t ya think? And you mentioned party. I didn’t think there was a time or date limit to that qualifier?

cjd ohio 1 said:
charlie rangel, yeah no mis-conduct lol

Barney Frank and his selling of young men…..

tatboy said:
What was the name of the Dem that was convicted and censured for having sex with underaged female staffers (See: rape)? Which is odd since he was gay (guess it’s the same thing as strait men molesting boys). But he was welcomed back with a standing ovation by the Dems.

Was it Gary Stubbs (Dem) who had an affair with an underage boy who was also his intern and suffered no consequences, legal or political?

TB and CJD, I’ll certainly give you that both parties have their share of miscreants. Perhaps, the holier-than-thou, family values spewing Republicans suffer a bit more than the micreant Democrats do for their utter hypocrisy. And, perhaps, that is unfair, but you can’t embrace or even tolerate Vitter, make all sorts of excuses for him, and then complain about the likes of Weiner.

BTW: I’m not necessarily including the two (2) of you in the “you”. You’re bot far more reasonable than some of the sanctimonious reactionary hypocrites we have around here.

… and giving plumb jobs to his lovers. and pot farm (not that i have a problem with that). and his handeling of freddy and fanny before the housing crisis…. etc….

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Ms. Pelosi tolerates no misconduct

I knew it !

This has been a parody all along .

Robert is not a ridiculous ,disgusting , mindless nutball liberal .

He has been playing one to show their foolishness and evil spirited natures .

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
TB and CJD, I’ll certainly give you that both parties have their share of miscreants. Perhaps, the holier-than-thou, family values spewing Republicans suffer a bit more than the micreant Democrats do for their utter hypocrisy. And, perhaps, that is unfair, but you can’t embrace or even tolerate Vitter, make all sorts of excuses for him, and then complain about the likes of Weiner. BTW: I’m not necessarily including the two (2) of you in the “you”. You’re bot far more reasonable than some of the sanctimonious reactionary hypocrites we have around here.

Cool….

Ranggel suffered consequences. He lost the most important House committee chairmanship. I do tend to think, in his case, the consequences should have been greater.

What consequences did Vitter face except for a few seconds of embarrassment? None. Fully embraced by his Republican Senate colleagues as best I can tell.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
TB and CJD, I’ll certainly give you that both parties have their share of miscreants. Perhaps, the holier-than-thou, family values spewing Republicans suffer a bit more than the micreant Democrats do for their utter hypocrisy. And, perhaps, that is unfair, but you can’t embrace or even tolerate Vitter, make all sorts of excuses for him, and then complain about the likes of Weiner. BTW: I’m not necessarily including the two (2) of you in the “you”. You’re bot far more reasonable than some of the sanctimonious reactionary hypocrites we have around here.

well maybe you should not paint with such a broad brush, that all

First: Let me apologize for all my typos. I haven’t put in my contacts. Of course, I should proof better.

Second: As an artist, I’ll paint as I like.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Ranggel suffered consequences. He lost the most important House committee chairmanship. I do tend to think, in his case, the consequences should have been greater. What consequences did Vitter face except for a few seconds of embarrassment? None. Fully embraced by his Republican Senate colleagues as best I can tell.

Vitter is a douce. The people of LA are not to bright for re-electing him.

PS… I never thought Weiner should have resigned (if just for the comedy). But his party (and his wife I’m sure) made it clear what he had to do.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
First: Let me apologize for all my typos. I haven’t put in my contacts. Of course, I should proof better. Second: As an artist, I’ll paint as I like.

i understand, a broad brush is standard equipment for a bullsh@t artist

tatboy said:
But SHE wanted Weiner to stay. Get my point. Vitter should go… Weiner should stay. She’s a hypocrite. She went on a long screed about how unfair it was for the Repubs (even though it was the Dems) to “force” Weiner out and it would set a standard for the next 10 years. She went on and on about how O’Reilly didn’t call for Vitter to resign at the time of the hooker/dirty diapers thingy. But she STILL thinks it bad for Weiner to have been forced out. So she can’t have it both ways… right?

No, always it has been the hypocrisy angle. How could so many republican leaders, and right wing pundits like Bill, call for weiner to resign, yet they remained silent during the vitter and ensign scandals? Answer: Their outrage about weiner is not based on his breach of morality, since his breach was clearly less morally offensive than Ensign and Vitter’s, but based on the partisan reason that weiner was a democratic firebrand who needed to be silenced.

I’ve blogged at the same sites as TRRK for 6 years and he has always, or so it seems by how often he raises it given half a chance, been obsessed with Vitter and his diaper.

Hey, I lived in NOLA when the scandal broke and even knew people who knew a bit more than the general public and I don’t remember Vitter’s diapers.

Ummm, what could that obsessive babbling about a grown man and diapers mean?????

valkyrie101 said:
No, always it has been the hypocrisy angle. How could so many republican leaders, and right wing pundits like Bill, call for weiner to resign, yet they remained silent during the vitter and ensign scandals? Answer: Their outrage about weiner is not based on his breach of morality, since his breach was clearly less morally offensive than Ensign and Vitter’s, but based on the partisan reason that weiner was a democratic firebrand who needed to be silenced.

So you are claiming Maddows double standard is NOT hypocracy?

Grammie said:
I’ve blogged at the same sites as TRRK for 6 years and he has always, or so it seems by how often he raises it given half a chance, been obsessed with Vitter and his diaper. Hey, I lived in NOLA when the scandal broke and even knew people who knew a bit more than the general public and I don’t remember Vitter’s diapers. Ummm, what could that obsessive babbling about a grown man and diapers mean?????

So where did this whole “diapper” thing come from?

Even their most loyal viewers be wising up to this. They whine when one of the alleged boogymen on Fox disagrees, and they whine when they agree. This is getting silly, and even the sheepiest of sheep must be waking up to that.

tatboy said:
So where did this whole “diapper” thing come from?

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I don’t know.

TRRK has been saying it forever but I’ve never seen anyone respond to it to either confirm or deny or ask for a cite.

I just googled it and I see links to wonkette, Larry Flynt, KOS, crooks and liars but no hard news sites.

I guess we can take from that that TRRK does a lot rummaging around in the trash for his news.

Vitter needs to go–now!!

He’s an embarrassment to the institution.

” So where did this whole “diapper” thing come from? ”

Looks like it started as a rumor with no credibility. The madam debunked it later herself .

” Wonkette linked to the YRHT post that aired rumors about Vitter’s supposed diaper fetish. Then according to the DU, James Carville might have mentioned it on CNN this afternoon.

I only have one source about this salacious “diaper detail”, which is beside the point of the matter. However, for the record, this source knows multiple former patrons of the Canal Street Madam who happen to be lawyers, and they told my source about the diaper fetish. This source has provided me with extremely reliable information in the past, and that’s why I chose to include it in the post. The Canal Street Madam herself defended Vitter today and said he was not into anything “unusual”, which flatly contradicts what my source told me about Vitter’s preferences. However, it confirms what my source told me about Vitter being a client of the Canal Street Madam– which is a far more important point than some diaper imagery, and shows a pattern of behavior rather than one single lapse. ”
http://righthandthief.blogspot.com/2007/07/diapers.html

Thanks, Sponge Bob.

tatboy said:
So where did this whole “diapper” thing come from?

I think it hangs around as a detail that some people on the left like to throw into every story about Vitter. It’s irrelevant (and probably untrue?) and functions as the rhetorical equivalent of “F*** you.” Kind of like calling the president Barry Hussein or making jokes about Botox every time Pelosi is mentioned. There’s no reason other than to throw in a little extra “F*** you.”

da-wdc said:
I think it hangs around as a detail that some people on the left like to throw into every story about Vitter. It’s irrelevant (and probably untrue?) and functions as the rhetorical equivalent of “F*** you.” Kind of like calling the president Barry Hussein or making jokes about Botox every time Pelosi is mentioned. There’s no reason other than to throw in a little extra “F*** you.”

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Sponge Bob tracked down its apparent source and as I indicated it was then picked up by a bunch of trash sites.

It was not a “detail” that got out. Vitter’s name was leaked 7 years after the Canal Street Madam was raided by the Feds and surprisingly, or not, he was one of the few politicians ever named in public. As a long time Yat I’m inclined to think that that could be b/c most of the big political names in NOLA are liberal Dems. But I could be wrong.

O’Reilly got BUSTED!!! Could it be that Vitter was a Republican?? Hmmmmmm.

WillP said:
O’Reilly got BUSTED!!! Could it be that Vitter was a Republican?? Hmmmmmm.

wow. He got busted for agreeing? You know that makes Maddow a hypocrite for being up in arms about Vitter, but all whiny about her friend Weiner right? Maybe because he’s a democrat?

I really can’t get over how narrow people’s thought processes are. Especially when it comes to politics.

tatboy said:
But SHE wanted Weiner to stay. Get my point. Vitter should go… Weiner should stay. She’s a hypocrite. So she can’t have it both ways… right?

valkyrie101 said:
No, always it has been the hypocrisy angle. How could so many republican leaders, and right wing pundits like Bill, call for weiner to resign, yet they remained silent during the vitter and ensign scandals? Answer: Their outrage about weiner is not based on his breach of morality, since his breach was clearly less morally offensive than Ensign and Vitter’s, but based on the partisan reason that weiner was a democratic firebrand who needed to be silenced.

Val, I don’t think you answered the question. And, of course, you can’t — since Maddow’s hypocrisy here is obvious to all.

O’ reilly is just a jerk off that blows with the wind. Vitter’s problem was over 7 years before anyone leaked the news. He immediately lived up to his failings for all to see and hear. Between Vitter and Weiner several democrats were caught in character claws and none quit. Several republicans also were caught and resigned with dignity.

In Maddow view, if you don’t openly say your against someone or something, your not? So, if I don’t openly say that I think she’s Gay, she’s not?! Interesting way of spinning an issue. Ridiculous, but interesting.

tatboy said:
So you are claiming Maddows double standard is NOT hypocracy?

She only wants people to pressure Vitter to resign in the same way they have pressured Weiner, according to the same moral outrage. She is after Vitter to resign only because Weiner was forced to. That is not hypocrisy.

I decided to see for myself how Maddow reacted to the Vitter revelations back in 2007. All the links for several pages were to this story or ones based on it however I came across one that looked a bit different from the Daily Howler. Let me just quote the scathing conclusion:

“Is Rachel Maddow a hypocrite? She complains about Republicans by name; she will never name Matthews or Gregory. In this way, she protects her own high station. Who’s “hypocritical” now?

So much self-defeating tribalism and so little time! We didn’t get around to discussing Maddow’s discussion with Michael Steele on her June 8 program. We thought this discussion helped illustrate the drift of the tribal mind—and its ineffectiveness. (One minor point: In this discussion, Maddow complained about the way political parties tend to protect their own. This is precisely what she does at her horrible network.) Nor did we get to her discussion with the very astute Larry Flynt, who said she should consider the fact that Mark Sanford actually fell in love during his ballyhooed scandal. Minor point: John Ensign also seems to have fallen in love with the grown woman he was “shtupping,” to quote Maddow’s love-hating language. Maddow makes a point of keeping her viewers from knowing that fact.

Alas! Maddow’s is a small, unprepared tribal mind. She works from deep inside the land we’ve called the tribal belt. Inside that land of true belief, the other tribe is always hypocritical, dumb stupid dishonest and wrong; The One True Tribe is always better. Reince Preibus is a hypocrite because he didn’t make Ensign step down.

Nancy Pelosi and Charlie Rangel? Deep inside the tribal belt, the question doesn’t arise.

Maddow is making us liberals dumber—and her performance is getting worse. And alas! As we liberals get dumbed down, we also get less effective. If we liberals stick to the issues, we liberals tend to win.

What a shame: That the corporate lords hired a tribal child to serve as Our Own Rhodes Scholar. ”

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http://dailyhowler.com/dh061611.shtml

tatboy said:
But SHE wanted Weiner to stay. Get my point. Vitter should go… Weiner should stay. She’s a hypocrite. She went on a long screed about how unfair it was for the Repubs (even though it was the Dems) to “force” Weiner out and it would set a standard for the next 10 years. She went on and on about how O’Reilly didn’t call for Vitter to resign at the time of the hooker/dirty diapers thingy. But she STILL thinks it bad for Weiner to have been forced out. So she can’t have it both ways… right?

I think you’re mistaken. I think her point has always been, that the GOP and the Dems were calling for Weiner to resign, but the GOP supported and still financially supports Vitter. She has been pointing out the hypocrisy of the GOP and the weakness of the Dems. She thinks Weiner should not be pressured out , IF, there is no consistent standard, and Vitter and Ensign shows there isn’t.

All this clip deals with is her noting ORielly’s Johny come lately morality.

NORBIT Jr. said:
There was a seven-year period between when Vitter did had his indiscretions, and when the issue arose.

As far as you or I know. He was also accused of having a relationship with a New Orleans prostitute in the 2004 election and denied it. The prostitute passed a lie detector test. He called a press conference because he knew he was busted.
We can split hairs about the differences , but IMO, the GOP have been rank hypocrites for calling for Weiner’s resignation and the Dems have been political weaklings for for letting panic dictate their actions.

I suppose they can at least use the “At least we actually did something about it” line.

valkyrie101 said:
She only wants people to pressure Vitter to resign in the same way they have pressured Weiner

Uh, may I point out the obvious. That’s exactly what she didn’t do. Namely, pressure these two politicians to resign in the same way. She did NOT pressure Weiner to resign, and she DID pressure Vitter to resign. So by the very standards that you espouse (which you claim our Maddow’s own standards), she is a hypocrite. This is about as cut-and-dried as it gets. Even your own words convict Maddow on all counts.

NORBIT Jr. said:
We know what the likes of Rach think, because we know what Progressive Indoctrination TELLS her to think!

In fact, I can tell you what she’s going to say about any given issue, before she says it – because I know the tenets of the Progressive Religion better than most of their programmed adherents.

2012! – Turn back the 3-YEAR OBAMA DEPRESSION!

Right? Excepting at the last minute in Watergage, Republicans vote in lock step. Mund-zu-Mastdarm, bis sie ihre Unternehmens-Chefs, die erste in der Reihe sind zu erreichen.

felixw said:
Uh, may I point out the obvious. That’s exactly what she didn’t do. Namely, pressure these two politicians to resign in the same way. She did NOT pressure Weiner to resign, and she DID pressure Vitter to resign. So by the very standards that you espouse (which you claim our Maddow’s own standards), she is a hypocrite. This is about as cut-and-dried as it gets. Even your own words convict Maddow on all counts.

Listen to yourself. The reason she is demanding Vitter to resign is because the entire right was demanding that weiner resign. And he did. So fair is fair, and Vitter should resign too.. Simply that. But you guys want to put down weiner and leave your own holy cows untouched. That is hypocritical. Seeking justice, as maddow does by wanting Vitter to have the same fate as Weiner, is not hypocrisy, but righteousness.

valkyrie101 said:
Listen to yourself. The reason she is demanding Vitter to resign is because the entire right was demanding that weiner resign. And he did. So fair is fair, and Vitter should resign too.. Simply that. But you guys want to put down weiner and leave your own holy cows untouched. That is hypocritical. Seeking justice, as maddow does by wanting Vitter to have the same fate as Weiner, is not hypocrisy, but righteousness.

your mistake was saying the entire right, which is a false statement

Anyone think Maddow is still the “sensible” liberal on MSNBC?

If it wasn’t for Fox, MSNBC would have nothing to talk about. For your info Rachel, O’Reilly is going to go after the rapper that called the President your network shilled for in 08 a terrorist. I’m sure you won’t have a segment on that one, though. Doesn’t suit your “we hate everyone who disagrees with us” narrative.

The food fight between Maddow and the rest of MSNBC and Ubermann should be good. Break out the popcorn and watch the vitriol starting Monday. lol.

skyfet said:
Check the term phony. A lot of the right wings were silent over Vitters action, he was rewarded with another 6 yrs term in the Senate. That’s the Family value party. for ya, you betcha!

Well move to Louisiana and vote against him. . . I didn’t think so.

felixw said:

She wasn’t pressuring Vitter to resign, but you have to admit that it is rather hypocritical of the Republicans to demand that Weiner resign after having given Vitter a standing ovation when he returned to the US Senate after being outed as illegally using the services of prostitutes.

felixw said:
Uh, may I point out the obvious. That’s exactly what she didn’t do. Namely, pressure these two politicians to resign in the same way. She did NOT pressure Weiner to resign, and she DID pressure Vitter to resign. So by the very standards that you espouse (which you claim our Maddow’s own standards), she is a hypocrite. This is about as cut-and-dried as it gets. Even your own words convict Maddow on all counts.

She didn’t pressure ANYBODY to resign. She simply talked about those who were.

valkyrie101 said:
Listen to yourself. The reason she is demanding Vitter to resign is because the entire right was demanding that weiner resign.

Uh, you seem to be missing the point. Rachel is justified in pressuring Vitter to resign, only if SHE pressured Weiner to resign too. And she didn’t do that. She made excuses for Weiner, and badgered Vitter. This could hardly be clearer, my friend.

cjd ohio 1 said:
your mistake was saying the entire right, which is a false statement

True. It was Priebus , Cantor and a few others. Preibus was making the rounds trying to score political points.

“Hey , Look, we don’t have to talk about gutting Medicare anymore.”

CosmosDan said:
She didn’t pressure ANYBODY to resign. She simply talked about those who were.

Read the article, which states

Frances Martel writes:
Maddow reported that, in fact, “self-proclaimed ‘fair person’” Bill O’Reilly had finally come around to her longtime perspective and called for Sen. Vitter to resign. ”

So Rachel doesn’t want Vitter to resign, except when she is demanding that Vitter resign.

Ah, the liberal dance gets them in such contortions. You are looking very silly, my friend.

tatboy said:
… and giving plumb jobs to his lovers. and pot farm (not that i have a problem with that). and his handeling of freddy and fanny before the housing crisis…. etc….

You haven’t been thinking straight. The Republicans keep on saying that Freddy and Fannie problems were the fault of the Barney Frank, but the Republicans had the majority. When you have the majority, it is not the fault of the minority. That is one thing the democrats have learned from the hypocrites
If George w Bush hadn’t changed Freddy & Fannie so he could do a Home Ownership program on May 17, 2002 that gave Zero down to people with no down payment and bad credit, there wouldn’t haven’t been a problem with Fannie & Freddie.

CosmosDan said:
True. It was Priebus , Cantor and a few others. Preibus was making the rounds trying to score political points. “Hey , Look, we don’t have to talk about gutting Medicare anymore.”

Instead, Cantor can talk about how he thinks the people of Tuscaloosa and Joplin should pay for rebuilding their own damn towns because unless the democrats are willing to cut something else from the budget. I’m sure he would absolutely think he was going to hell if he suggested a tax increase for the rich oil companies or any of his other donors to help the people in those “red” states of Missouri and Alabama. The guy says he is a Christian but apparently he hasn’t read the part in the Bible about feeding and helping the poor.

Gorgegirl said:
You haven’t been thinking straight. The Republicans keep on saying that Freddy and Fannie problems were the fault of the Barney Frank, but the Republicans had the majority. When you have the majority, it is not the fault of the minority. That is one thing the democrats have learned from the hypocrites
If George w Bush hadn’t changed Freddy & Fannie so he could do a Home Ownership program on May 17, 2002 that gave Zero down to people with no down payment and bad credit, there wouldn’t haven’t been a problem with Fannie & Freddie.

Let tatboy explain the “American Dream Downpayment Act.” /www.hud.gov/offices/cpd/affordablehousing/programs/home/addi/http:/
Signed by GW Bush after being passed by the GOP Congress(both houses).

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
In the low viewership world of cable “news”, Bill-o is the ratings leader, by far, and he is no doubt dancing, willingly, to Murdoch’s and Ailes’ call to moderate. FOX “News” has alreadytapped the radical rightist viewership, and that particularly demographic is already diminishing, by a more youthful and more Hispanic American electorate. Bill-o’s instinct survivals are very good, and I applaud him for that.

Very true. America is not getting more angry and white which composes the viewership of Fox News. America is becoming more diverse and tolerant which poses major challenges to Fox News. Ailes and the other former GOP operatives who run Fox News went far right with the election of Obama. Now, they are clearly pulling back most obvious with the removal of Beck from daily programming.
I saw recently where Ailes has intentions to hire Hillary Clinton once she leaves the State Department. He has already hired longtime Democrat Evan Bayh as a contributor. We are going to see this trend continue of Ailes hiring marquee Democrats not just high profile Republicans to work on the network. It is part of a long term strategy to moderate the image of Fox News.

MSLSD is not a news network. It is a network about Fox News.

is this what msnbc is now, a network about what is on fox

Grammie said:
tatboy said:
So where did this whole “diapper” thing come from?
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I don’t know.
TRRK has been saying it forever but I’ve never seen anyone respond to it to either confirm or deny or ask for a cite.

All The Marys in Heaven, just Google “Vitter Diaper”. You’ll be inundated. There was even a fund raiser to assist parents with infants after Katrina. Everyone was encouraged to bring a package of Vitters for the babies. In other words, the man has a poo fetish. He likes to have diapers put on him by prostitutes, then he poos in them. A very sick individual.

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Duh! The difference between the Vitter affair and the Weinergate is the difference between a name being found in a list of clients and a few dozen graphic photos, one of which was tweeted to EVERYBODY FOLLOWING WEINER ON TWITTER, WHICH WAS THEN RE-TWITTED TO ANDREW BREITBART. C’men Guys, both a mouse and an elephant are equally miracles of biology, but an elephant will really get your attention ‘cus it’s so much bigger. And then too, Anthony Weiner went on national TV and claimed to have been hacked. He couldn’t have drawn as much attention to himself if he had hired a band and paraded in his skivvies down Pennsylvania Avenue.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
All The Marys in Heaven, just Google “Vitter Diaper”. You’ll be inundated. There was even a fund raiser to assist parents with infants after Katrina. Everyone was encouraged to bring a package of Vitters for the babies. In other words, the man has a poo fetish. He likes to have diapers put on him by prostitutes, then he poos in them. A very sick individual.

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I did and this is what I found:

Grammie said:
I just googled it and I see links to wonkette, Larry Flynt, KOS, crooks and liars but no hard news sites.

I guess we can take from that that TRRK does a lot rummaging around in the trash for his news.

Of course, this was what started the whole back and forth about it:

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Grammie said:
I’ve blogged at the same sites as TRRK for 6 years and he has always, or so it seems by how often he raises it given half a chance, been obsessed with Vitter and his diaper.

Hey, I lived in NOLA when the scandal broke and even knew people who knew a bit more than the general public and I don’t remember Vitter’s diapers.

Ummm, what could that obsessive babbling about a grown man and diapers mean?????

Rachel. Have you looked at your ratings lately? Nobody watches NBC. Or MSNBC. You where so Gung Ho for Obama and you can see where that got us. Looks like you should go back to the drawing board.

Mary Jane Andrews said:
Rachel. Have you looked at your ratings lately? Nobody watches NBC. Or MSNBC. You where so Gung Ho for Obama and you can see where that got us. Looks like you should go back to the drawing board.

Does your party have anything beyond NO to say?
If you believe in ratings, there are 1.5Billion Muslims in the world. Which proves nada.
“Where” Obama got us? The economy collapsed before he took office.
He hasn’t fixed it fast enough for you? Mitch McConnell has filibustered 160 bills in the Senate.
The GOP DOESN’T WANT TO FIX THE ECONOMY! They want to beat Obama. They have sabotaged the economy to do it. They’ve taken very good care of their funders, and told the rest of us “TS”.

Rachel’s fixation with fox news is really creepy, indeed MSNBC’s fixation is creepy. They need to stop it; the jealousy is so funny to watch. Rachel needs to figure out how to doher own reporting without having to talk about what Fox is doing. Until then, she is just another liberal weaner,thinking inside the box,l and playing along with the group grope/mind meld of the liberal elite. If any other network would step out of that box, they could compete with FNC, but alas, they all do the same thing, say he same thing, and make the same idiots of themselves day in and day out.

I wonder what Rachel’s position on the Kennedy’s keeping their offices were. (Well, really, I don’t because I know she had no problem with either one of them, the murderer or the drunken one…..she made no issue of them holding their seats, just Vitter). Go figure.

” We can split hairs about the differences , but IMO, the GOP have been rank hypocrites for calling for Weiner’s resignation and the Dems have been political weaklings for for letting panic dictate their actions. ”

” The reason she is demanding Vitter to resign is because the entire right was demanding that weiner resign. And he did. So fair is fair, and Vitter should resign too.. ”

Are you guys kidding ? Who on the right demanded Weiner resign ? He was a goldmine politically. Eric Cantor said he thinks he should resign and John Boehner said one word when asked about it . YES! That’s it .Everybody on the right were just making Weiner jokes. We wanted him to stay.

Let’s cut the crap . The left started fantasizing as soon as Weiner said he was hacked. They were talking about conspiracies with Breitbart and Clarence Thomas .The right were making Weiner jokes.

After Weiner used the words ” prank ” and ” certitude ” the left started looking into idiotic theories as to how Weiner could have been hacked and claimed he was innocent. The right were making Weiner jokes again and again after each theory was debunked.

Finally , Weiner comes clean . The left is in shock . Still , most want Weiner to stay . Some say this is just a distraction and think Weiner is being covered too much . Including Maddow . The right is high fiving and still …… just making Weiner jokes.

Then Breitbart is attacked for letting one of the photos be released by two shock jocks .The left tries to regroup . But more photos are released and the porn star comes out and says Weiner lied. The right keeps making Weiner jokes.

The left was wrong on everything in this story .Their hero was ridiculed and had no one to blame but himself. Making things worse was that the despised Breibart was right .What does the right do ? More Weiner jokes .

Everyone knows that if there was a scandal that was similar to Weiner … it was Chris Lee. But since that would make Weiner and dems look worse the left trots out Vitter. Never mind that Charlie Rangel and Barney Frank are just as bad. They are dems . That’s history.

The dems pushed him out.Not because of a sex scadal . Not because of cheating . Not even because of lies He was embarrassing them .Everybody knows it .So dont blame republicans.
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You lost . Deal with it .

And Maddow is a hypocrite for keeping the Weiner story alive after crying about all the coverage it recieved .
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THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
All The Marys in Heaven, just Google “Vitter Diaper

Once again , Robert’s ” King” character is a parody of a mindless liberal .

NO ONE is that crazy , of course .

felixw said:
So Rachel doesn’t want Vitter to resign, except when she is demanding that Vitter resign.

Ah, the liberal dance gets them in such contortions. You are looking very silly, my friend.

Which hinges on the fact that Weiner is being pressured to resign. Taking things things out of context doesn’t make you’re point more valid. What she wants is a consistent policy when it comes to public moral indiscretions. Her point from the beginning was that members of the GOP were asking for Weiner to resign, and being hypocritical since they supported and still support Vitter.
She only mentioned Vitter within the context of what was happening concerning Weiner. Trying to take it out of context is the kind of contortion you referred to.

Glackin said:
American Dream Downpayment Act

Well isn’t that interesting. Never heard of that before. It sure was interesting reading. Interesting that The Heritage Foundation found it to be fiscally irresponsible

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2003/12/american-dream-downpayment-act-fiscally-irresponsible-and-redundant-to-existing-homeownership-programs

Signed into law during Bush’s 1st term when both houses were Republican.

Danny Ross said:
Duh! The difference between the Vitter affair and the Weinergate is the difference between a name being found in a list of clients and a few dozen graphic photos, one of which was tweeted to EVERYBODY FOLLOWING WEINER ON TWITTER, WHICH WAS THEN RE-TWITTED TO ANDREW BREITBART. C’men Guys, both a mouse and an elephant are equally miracles of biology, but an elephant will really get your attention ‘cus it’s so much bigger. And then too, Anthony Weiner went on national TV and claimed to have been hacked. He couldn’t have drawn as much attention to himself if he had hired a band and paraded in his skivvies down Pennsylvania Avenue.

Sure that’s the difference that may explain the difference in press coverage {but not completely excuse it}, but that in no way explains the hypocritical reaction of elected officials.

cjd ohio 1 said:
your mistake was saying the entire right, which is a false statement

Sorry, but I imagine you know what I mean.

Mary Jane Andrews said:
Rachel. Have you looked at your ratings lately? Nobody watches NBC. Or MSNBC. You where so Gung Ho for Obama and you can see where that got us. Looks like you should go back to the drawing board.

I don’t get MSNBC, but I can watch Rachel on her shows web site where they post them in full. Ain’t technology cool?

tatboy said:
So you are claiming Maddows double standard is NOT hypocracy?

Not a double standard. She seeks equity with both weiner and vitter being treated the same. But your position is that weiner should go but not vitter. See the difference?

sponge bob said:
Are you guys kidding ? Who on the right demanded Weiner resign ? He was a goldmine politically. Eric Cantor said he thinks he should resign and John Boehner said one word when asked about it . YES! That’s it .Everybody on the right were just making Weiner jokes. We wanted him to stay.

Better do some research Bob. Weiner confessed on the 6th. On the 7th the GOP started calling for his resignation according to the Wall Street Journal. On the 8th Rancid Preibus the RNC chair started publically calling for his resignation and using it to claim the Dem’s leadership was weak. He went on Fox, Greta VS to do so and side stepped her asking about Vitter.

sponge bob said:
The left was wrong on everything in this story .Their hero was ridiculed and had no one to blame but himself. Making things worse was that the despised Breibart was right .

Nobody is claiming somebody else is to blame. Weiner understandably panicked and tried to make it go away, not realizing that one of the women was working with Brietbart. It was monumentally stupid on his part to do what he did.

sponge bob said:
Everyone knows that if there was a scandal that was similar to Weiner … it was Chris Lee. But since that would make Weiner and dems look worse the left trots out Vitter. Never mind that Charlie Rangel and Barney Frank are just as bad. They are dems . That’s history.

The dems pushed him out.Not because of a sex scadal . Not because of cheating . Not even because of lies He was embarrassing them .Everybody knows it .So dont blame republicans.

I haven’t seen people blaming the republicans. What I’ve seen is people correctly pointing out the hypocrisy of Rance Pleibus in his making this a political issue about Democratic leaders. That’s something that should be called out.
I know the Dems decided to pressure Weiner to resign. Probably because an election year is approaching.
Cantor said
“”Congressman Weiner and his constituents will make that decision. I certainly don’t condone his activity and I think he should resign.”
which is a fair statement. Democrats said something similar, and IMO, it should have been left there.
He added,
“We’ve got a lot of serious challenges going on in this country and a lot of work for Congress to do,” he added. “The last thing we need is to be immersed in discussion about Congressman Weiner and his Twitter activities.”

How does this story, largely personal, keep congress from doing it’s job? If the press decides the Weiner story should get more coverage and important issues less, that’s their flaw, and something elected officials and the general public ought to let them know. Are our elected officials forced to be reactionary to whatever the press decides to cover, and our standards of moral and ethical behavior on how much coverage it gets.
Vitter doesn’t get much coverage, he gets to stay. Weiner has pictures so he gets more coverage , so he has to go. Somem standard. We’ll see how the next scandal is covered and handled, because now they will be measured and compared. Thanks in large part to RM.

CosmosDan said:
Her point from the beginning was that members of the GOP were asking for Weiner to resign, and being hypocritical since they supported and still support Vitter.

Vitter did not do what Weiner did, so it isn’t hypocritical. How’s that, you ask? This is how.

If Weiner had owned up, as Vitter did, he probably could have survived this. It’s the oldest story in Washington. The cover up is worse than the crime.

TfT said:
Rachel’s fixation with fox news is really creepy, indeed MSNBC’s fixation is creepy. They need to stop it; the jealousy is so funny to watch. Rachel needs to figure out how to doher own reporting without having to talk about what Fox is doing. Until then, she is just another liberal weaner,thinking inside the box,l and playing along with the group grope/mind meld of the liberal elite. If any other network would step out of that box, they could compete with FNC, but alas, they all do the same thing, say he same thing, and make the same idiots of themselves day in and day out.

I wonder what Rachel’s position on the Kennedy’s keeping their offices were. (Well, really, I don’t because I know she had no problem with either one of them, the murderer or the drunken one…..she made no issue of them holding their seats, just Vitter). Go figure.

You’re “Creepy”.

CosmosDan says…
” Nobody is claiming somebody else is to blame. ”

After Weiner confessed . But before that the Daily Kos and most left wing blogs were . The guy from Cannonfire still thinks Weiner was set up.

CosmosDan says…
” the GOP have been rank hypocrites for calling for Weiner’s resignation ”

Only Preibus . I must admit . I forgot about him .
Priebus was the only one calling and demanding a resignation . I agree that he is a hypocrite and in my opinion was dumb for even weighing in on it. But he does not hold office. But I give you that one . One. You also said this….

CosmosDan says…

” Her point from the beginning was that members of the GOP were asking for Weiner to resign, and being hypocritical since they supported and still support Vitter. ”

There were no ” members of the GOP ” asking Weiner to resign .Just Preibus .

CosmosDan says…

” True. It was Priebus , Cantor and a few others. Preibus was making the rounds trying to score political points. ”

. Just Preibus . Cantor and Boehner did not ASK for his resignation . And show me the ” few others ” you uncovered in your research .

And remember , one of the posts I was responding to was this…

valkyrie101 said:
” Listen to yourself. The reason she is demanding Vitter to resign is because the entire right was demanding that weiner resign. ”

CosmosDan says…
” I haven’t seen people blaming the republicans ”

The entire right ?

Pablo said:
Vitter did not do what Weiner did, so it isn’t hypocritical. How’s that, you ask? This is how.

If Weiner had owned up, as Vitter did, he probably could have survived this. It’s the oldest story in Washington. The cover up is worse than the crime.

I think it was the pictures that made it worse, and the fact there was so many. I think if he had come out on day one and said, what he said when he finally confessed it wouldn’t have mattered that much. “I’ve been sending pictures of my junk to women for years and having sexually explicit conversations with them” and the fact that the pictures and details kept showing up in the media, was the issue.
Vitter confessed because he knew the evidence was out there. I don’t think Weiner knew that when he used the “hacked” excuse. Vitter was also accused in 2004 and denied it at the time because there was no list available at the time to prove him wrong. He dealt with it intelligently , by confessing and using the God and forgiveness angle. I suppose the fact that there was only evidence of something that happened years ago helped. Still the hypocrisy of politics is there IMO. With Ensign as well. His affair with a staffer was known about for years and instead of asking him to resign a sitting Senator became his negotiator. The fact remains that the GOP didn’t press for his resignation when his affair and possible illegal action came to light.

To me the two relevant questions are, did this person violate job related ethics? Ensign certainly did, Vitter, maybe not although what he did was clearly illegal. Other than a job related violation , it should be left up to family and the voters and conscience.

sponge bob said:
There were no ” members of the GOP ” asking Weiner to resign .Just Preibus .

the RNC chairman is a significant post for the party, elected by the party right? when he starts making the rounds and shooting his mouth off, he should be responded to.
I’ll grant you that headlines saying “The GOP calls for Weiner to resign” were inaccurate and is part of what creates false impressions. Details matter, but officially, Preibus is the spokesperson for the entire party is he not? Do we have any elected GOP officials publicly disagreeing with him, or acknowledging the hypocrisy?

sponge bob said:
valkyrie101 said:
” Listen to yourself. The reason she is demanding Vitter to resign is because the entire right was demanding that weiner resign. ”
CosmosDan says…
” I haven’t seen people blaming the republicans ”

The entire right ?

Point taken, but Maddow was NOT blaming the GOP for his resignation, only pointing out their hypocrisy. That was what I commented on specifically. Who blamed the GOP for Weiner resigning , rather than acknowledging it was his own party that pressured him to get out?

CosmosDan says:
” Vitter confessed because he knew the evidence was out there. I don’t think Weiner knew that when he used the “hacked” excuse. ”

If this is true , it only proves that Weiner is a lying scumbag who thought he could get away with it and push the blame on to someone else.

And just because Vitter ” knew the evidence was out there ” does not prove he would still not have confessed.

sponge bob said:
CosmosDan says:
” Vitter confessed because he knew the evidence was out there. I don’t think Weiner knew that when he used the “hacked” excuse. ”

If this is true , it only proves that Weiner is a lying scumbag who thought he could get away with it and push the blame on to someone else.

And just because Vitter ” knew the evidence was out there ” does not prove he would still not have confessed.

The fact that he was accused in the 2004 election and denied it, does though.

I’m unsure why we would expect anyone to divulge this kind of embarrassing personal flaw if they could plausibly deny it. As far as I’m concerned it’s personal and not really job related, except for Ensign. I don’t fault anyone for initially denying it. I fault the press for focusing on a cheap scandal rather than far more important and relevant issues. Colbert mocked the media by showing one anchor who led with Afghanistan, WAR, rather than Weinergate. The public should be pissed off and disappointed in the media and letting them know.
What’s the huge surprise with finding out a politician lied? What we should be concerned about is what they are being dishonest about in regard to their job that actually affects the people who voted for them and pay their salary, and by extension, the rest of us as well.

Preibus, Preibus , Preibus. That’s it . According to you Maddow said this…

” Her point from the beginning was that members of the GOP were asking for Weiner to resign, and being hypocritical since they supported and still support Vitter. ”

Members . Plural .

Cantor and Boehner did not ask for his resignation . Preibus did and I admitted I forgot about him . The left made fun of Michael Steele all the time for the dumb things he said . Well , to me this was the dumber than anything Steele ever said.

Now let’s forget about Preibus and tell me who Maddow meant when she said members. Because Cantor and Boehner would be lies.

I also asked for your research on ” a few others “.

CosmosDan says:
” True. It was Priebus , Cantor and a few others ”

Who are these ” few others “?

MSNBC loves Libs and Progs and they love MSNBC.  Fox respects Conservatives and Conservatives appreciate Fox News.

CosmosDan said:
What she wants is a consistent policy when it comes to public moral indiscretions.

Huh, so she follows an inconsistent policy as a way of advocating a consistent one? The more you “explain” Maddow’s position, the more ridiculous it gets.

If what you say is true, Maddow needs to have a disclaimer at the start of every episode of her show: “Do as I say, and not as I do.”

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