James, I love how you and your liberal buddies completely ignore the reason for the “improvement”.  People have stopped looking!!!!  But hey, gotta protect Ozero like the good like liberal lapdogs you are. 

For the record:

 Unemployment Rate Drops To 8.5%! — Reality: Unemployment Rate Would Be 10.9% If Size Of Workforce Was Same When Obama Took Office… The size of the U.S. workforce is at a 27-year low and the bulk of the jobs added were “courier services” related to Christmas.

It is almost as if they are not even trying to mask their contempt for the intelligence of the republican voter.   They believe that they can say anything no matter how absurd and the sheep will happily nod their head in agreement.

Okay, so you agree with me that Santorum is just convinced that the teabase is credulous enough to believe anything he says. Thanks.

So you agree with me that when the Regime touts their success in improving the job #’s it is a complete lie?

What we can both agree on with regards to this story is that optimism of a republican victory as a cause is laughable to all but the most gullible;  You can add any spin you want to what is not said here as to the cause, enjoy yourself.  But Rick named the cause, and it is patently false, and he must know that.  So either he is a liar, or thinks the base is so stupid and sheep like that they will believe anything.

Actually, instead of a single positive word for a fearful and concerned nation of voters, Rick, the Magic Christian, could have thanked GOD for the reprieve from the BushEra fallout. I wonder if God thinks he is a little shit and named him for what Santorum is.

If the jobs bill had been passed, we would have unemployment below 8 and that is the RED party threshold. From now to November6, their WHOLE purpose will be to keep unemployment #’s  ABOVE 8. ANY 7.? rate and the WHOLE Obstructionist platform collapses and the VOTERS will see the RED party for EXACTLY the frauds that they are.

The unemployment numbers are manipulated by our corrupt administration to make the community organizer look good!! It’s all smoke and mirrors and liberal biased math!!
The real numbers are around 16%!!

But the lame stream media will run with it regardless to protect the incompetent one!!

I can only imagine how high the numbers would be manipulated if a Republican were President!!!

Is it beyond your ability to comment on the article at hand before you start spouting the tired old republican talking points?  Santorum is claiming republican responsibility for the lower unemployment rate; is he a liar, a fool or just someone who thinks all of his supporters are fools?  Pick one my friend.

So 
liberaltormentor are you saying that Santorum is trying to take credit for this liberal fabrication?

So Colorado_Conservative are you saying that Santorum is trying to take credit for this liberal fabrication?

It would seem that liberaltormentor and colorado are aligned on their knee jerk defense.  Ignore what Rick actually said, and claim the numbers are wrong.  I wonder where that kind of thinking actually works. 

If Santorum believes the fabricated unemployment numbers than he is a fool…..If he knows what the real numbers and is going along with the fabricated numbers than he is a liar!!
If his supporters believe in the fabricated numbers than they are fools!!

I have no doubt what so ever that people will begin to hire once they believe or know that the socialist will be thrown out of office, so in that case, he could be right!!

Santorum is wrong (he may believe that, but it’s BS IMO) but liberaltormentor is correct that the rate is only dropping because people are giving up looking for work. The real number is debatable, but it’s certainly not 8.5%.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/real-jobless-rate-114-realistic-labor-force-participation-rate

I didn’t defend anyone, so stop putting words in my mouth.  IMO, he’s making a mistake here.  The unemployment rate HASN’T improved in reality so he shouldn’t act like it has.  I just wish the corrupt, liberal media would do their job, for once, and start telling the truth instead of propping up The One with false information.  No wonder no one has any use for them anymore. 

Well in our defense, we can’t comment on an article that reports how the numbers have been totally manipulated, because James and his liberal buddies refuse to report on it. 

In a Santorum presidency, the economy will be so dead that Rick will take it home and have his children handle its corpse.

A lower unemployment number strikes fear in the heart of Right-Wing extremists like Santorum  because it complicates the GOP’s  fear-based propaganda message.  The Republican Party wants  the economy to collapse to better their chances of taking the White House. 

Probably not the best idea for Santorum to be doing Stephen Colbert impressions in public.

“Job gains occurred in transportation and warehousing, retail trade, manufacturing, health care, and mining.”
“The Labor Force Participation Rate was unchanged 64.0% in December (blue line). This is the percentage of the working age population in the labor force. The participation rate is well below the 66% to 67% rate that was normal over the last 20 years, although some of the decline is due to the aging population.”
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2012/01/december-employment-report-200000-jobs.html
What strikes me (beside the obvious deep hole inherited from Bush) is the degree to which job returns are almost an absolute doppelgänger of the 2001 recession.

Propaganda is saying the unemployment rate has lowered, but leaving out the reasons why, because they reflect badly on the Regime. 

So Mediaite is the only place you’re allowed to get information and comment?

Yeah man, it’s like, all a conspiracy!

Who said I did?  That mainstream media is doing the exact same thing.  Try putting down the beer and doing some research and see for yourself.

“Job gains occurred in transportation and warehousing, retail trade, manufacturing, health care, and mining.”
“The Labor Force Participation Rate was unchanged 64.0% in December (blue line). This is the percentage of the working age population in the labor force. The participation rate is well below the 66% to 67% rate that was normal over the last 20 years, although some of the decline is due to the aging population.”
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2012/01/december-employment-report-200000-jobs.html

The traditional American media, all of it, is part of the corporate monolith. One fallacy embraced by that media is that there is a “liberal” bias exhibited by a portion of the established traditional media outlet like the networks and newspapers. Far from true. While FOX makes no REAL pretense that they are anything but a branch of the Republican party and corporate shills, the other “news” outlets do almost more harm to our masses through misinformation. They perpetuate ridiculous postures on economic and scientific issues by pretending that those postures are legitimate positions when no credible economists or scientists back up those positions. They fail to challenge politicians when they make bold lies. As a result, the falsehoods and lies get presented as reasonable positions subject to debate. In Canada, the media is held to higher standards and some of that conduct would be illegal. Unfortunately the politicians in Canada are still allowed to lie.  

“Well in our defense, we can’t comment on an article that reports how the numbers have been totally manipulated, because James and his liberal buddies refuse to report on it.”

You said you did.

Aministrations from Carter to Reagan to Clinton to Bush have spun employment figures to their own advantage, so one can rightly ignore the righty waterheads who seem to be stuck in their life-long “conspiracy world” over this being such a new thing with Obama.   Fact is, the economy is rebounding and anyone who bothers to do the research knows that both GOP and Dem leaning economists all have agreed that the recovery would be slow-and it has. 

So deal with it, GOP.  Spin all you want, but once again we see you rooting for a bad economy, which hardly makes you the gilded patriots you disingenuously claim to be. 

And if you are one of the many republican idiots out there who are impressionable enough to believe this GOP lie….I’ve got some wonderful ocean front property near Gila Bend, Arizona that I’d like to sell you at an outrageously discounted price. 

Not quite the way it works mentaltormenter

Finessing the numbers to make a point is a lie mentaltormentor.  Stop moving the yardstick buddy, you’re going to hurt yourself.

So you’re saying we should stop calculating unemployment as we have for the last several decades just so you can say “hey, unemployment is still high!”  lol.

How are you supposed to make comparisons to historical data is you don’t calculate it the same?  You can’t.  You can’t compare what’s going on in the workforce now to what was happening a decade or two decades ago if you change how you measure it…makes sense, right? 

That’s why the BLS and Census and other groups that measure these things try to keep the calculation the same.  It would be useless if we changed it every time we didn’t like the result (like you want to now).

That’s why they are characterized now as “jobless recoveries”

How is then unemployment rate being calculated different than it was calculated a decade ago or two decades ago?  You make the baselss claim – now bring the proof.

I know….next thing he’ll probably say is that he will slow the ocean’s rise, heal the planet, close gitmo, and bankrupt the coal industry,….then we’d be truly insane if we voted for him..

Wasn’t stimulus a jobs bill?  And wasn’t it passed?  And didn’t Obama say it would bring uneployment down below 8%?

It bothers me that media largely ignore the structural barriers that work to inhibit job recovery… an oversight that gives people like Santorum the space he needs to drift into magical thinking on the topic… and he’s vying for the executive.

sheesh, were you paying this much attention when Bush was bleeding 500,000 jobs per month???????

I’m not sure how many times your going to ask this question that has already been answered, but what the hey…I’ll answer it for you again.

YES!  HE MADE A STUPID COMMENT THAT IS INCORRECT!

Now, with that said, how about this? Why dont you and I go pound for pound on absolutley riduclouse comments that have been made by santorum, and then obama, and see who wins?

After that, then we can pick one of your three false choices, and who it applies to my friend.

This article doesn’t even attempt to factor in cash-under-the-table jobs in telling the “real” story behind their “implied” unemployment rate.

thanks Megan McCain…

So, if our growth is now projected to be 1.8% next quarter, what do you think growth would be under santorum, in order to substantiate your sophmoric comment?

Sometimes “people have stopped looking” because they found someone who’d pay them cash under-the-table (this was my first job, painting houses.)  Another reason people can stop looking?  Early retirement. 

Wrong as usual. 

Here’s the deal, the media and the administration can say whatever they want in regards to the economy, but that does not change the fact that there are record numbers of real people on food stamps, record numbers of unemployed (tracked or not) and a $3000 dollar decline in the houshold median income since 2009.

To this ever growing number of people, what mediaite, the NYTs, or the administration says about the countires economy is worthless….

Did you read a pamphlet on this at a Chemtrail Conference?

Um, not sure you want to do that.  Santorum has a very, very long history of saying shithouse crazy things my friend.

Under which of the last two presidents did more people lose their jobs?

This is coming from a guy who belongs to the political party who rooted against the military in Iraq for political gain, claimed the econmy was awefull  when unemployment was 4% and GDP growth 4-7%, and blocked every effort the GOP in congress put forth to regulate the financial industry… 

And you are one of the impressionable liberal idiots who believed the hope and change talking enough to still be a believer.

By the way, if you believe Al Gore, and the rest of the clowns in your party, I’d hold on to your property since it will be ocean front in about 10 years… 

Ok then….lets get started, you first…

Unemployment drops EVERY holiday season due to increase in holiday job availability, even a 12 year old could figure that out. Ignorance of economic trends are a godsend for some people.

While a good chunk of last month’s new hires were seasonally related, in
warehousing and retail, manufacturing and healthcare employers also
reported solid job gains.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/01/u-s-economy-adds-200000-new-jobs-in-december/

“To this ever growing number of people, what mediaite, the NYTs, or
the administration says about the countires economy is worthless….”

And yet you still keep coming back for more. 

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“Blah people”

Swing and a miss dude…
 
I was talking about the massive amount of unemployed, food stamp collecting, and reduced income folks who look at their current quality of life and laugh when the administration and media say things are improving.
 
I’m here because this is the best liberal petting zoo on the net. 
 
Try to keep up.

Fine fine…I’ll go first.

On this first installment, to be honest, I’m not even sure what Obama said…so I’ll just provide the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leEcpFOrulY

Since I believe Obama is speaking liberal, can you please interpret for me uncleduke?

“As the hobbits are going up Mount Doom, the Eye of Mordor is being
drawn somewhere else…. It’s being drawn to Iraq and it’s not being
drawn to the U.S. You know what? I want to keep it on Iraq. I don’t want
the Eye to come back here to the United States.” –Sen. Rick Santorum

“We have brave men and women who are willing to step forward because
they know what’s at stake. They’re willing to sacrifice their lives for
this great country. What I’m asking all of you tonight is not to put on a
uniform. Put on a bumper sticker. Is it that much to ask? Is it that
much to ask to step up and serve your country?” –Sen. Rick Santorum
(R-PA), urging supporters to put a Rick Santorum bumper sticker on their
cars

“Congressman Hoekstra and I are here today to say that we have found
weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, chemical weapons.” –Sen. Rick
Santorum

“I mean, you have people who don’t heed those warnings and then put
people at risk as a result of not heeding those warnings. There may be a
need to look at tougher penalties on those who decide to ride it out
and understand that there are consequences to not leaving.” –Sen. Rick
Santorum on Katrina Sept. 6, 2005

“One of the things I will talk about, that no president has talked about
before, is I think the dangers of contraception in this country. It’s
not okay. It’s a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter
to how things are supposed to be. [Sex] is supposed to be within
marriage. It’s supposed to be for purposes that are yes, conjugal…but
also procreative. That’s the perfect way that a sexual union should
happen…This is special and it needs to be seen as special.”

~Rick Santorum, opposing contraception and frighteningly suggesting that he would make pre-marital sex illegal.

“Yeah, remember, under the Bush administration, welfare — I mean, excuse
me, poverty among African Americans and among single unmarried women,
poverty was at the lowest rate ever in the history of this country. So
Obama’s policies are not working, Bush polices worked! For long a time
as a matter of fact.”

~Rick Santorum, falsely claiming that poverty was the lowest in history
because of the Bush policies. In fact, poverty only increased.

NICE!…….lets do some videos too!

here’s one or two quotes from me..

You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.” — Barack Obama”Anybody gone into Whole Foods lately and see what they charge for arugula? I mean, they’re charging a lot of money for this stuff.” — Barack Obama”…I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth. This was the moment — this was the time — when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves and our highest ideals.” — Barack Obama”I have become a symbol of the possibility of America returning to our best traditions.” — Barack Obama”You know, the truth is that right after 9/11, I had a (flag) pin. Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we’re talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for, I think, true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security, I decided I won’t wear that pin on my chest…” — Barack Obama”And if that child should ever get the chance to travel the world and someone should ask her where is she from, we believe that she should always be able to hold her head high with pride in her voice when she answers, ‘I am an American.’That is the course we seek. That is the change we are calling for.” — Barack Obama”America is …, uh, is no longer, uh … what it could be, what it once was. And I say to myself, I don’t want that future for my children.” — Barack Obama”I had learned not to care. I blew a few smoke rings, remembering those years. Pot had helped, and booze; maybe a little blow when you could afford it. Not smack, though. …” — Barack Obama”Junkie. Pothead. That’s where I’d been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. Except the highs hadn’t been about that, me trying to prove what a down brother I was. Not by then, anyway. I got high for just the opposite effect, something that could push questions of who I was out of my mind, something that could flatten out the landscape of my heart, blur the edges of my memory. I had discovered that it didn’t make any difference whether you smoked reefer in the white classmate’s sparkling new van, or in the dorm room of some brother you’d met down at the gym, or on the beach with a couple of Hawaiian kids who had dropped out of school and now spent most of their time looking for an excuse to brawl. …You might just be bored, or alone. Everybody was welcome into the club of disaffection.” — Barack Obama”…I inhaled frequently. That was the point.” — Barack Obama”I opposed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. It should be repealed and I will vote for its repeal on the Senate floor. I will also oppose any proposal to amend the U.S. Constitution to ban gays and lesbians from marrying.” — Barack Obama “I am not in favor of concealed weapons. I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could (get shot during) altercations.” — Barack Obama”Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions.” — Obama’s website”…I’ve got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.” — Barack Obama”Rick Warren: …Now, let’s deal with abortion; 40 million abortions since Roe v. Wade. As a pastor, I have to deal with this all of the time, all of the pain and all of the conflicts. I know this is a very complex issue. Forty million abortions, at what point does a baby get human rights, in your view?”Barack Obama: “Well, you know, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.”"On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.” — Barack Obama”Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go.” — Barack Obama”We can’t drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times … and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK. That’s not leadership. That’s not going to happen.” — Barack Obama”As Sen. Hillary Clinton was preparing to campaign here today, Sen. Barack Obama was meeting with voters at a diner and apparently pretty hungry.’Why can’t I just eat my waffle?’ he said, when asked a foreign policy question by a reporter at the Glider Diner.” — Barack Obama”In Indonesia, I had spent two years at a Muslim school, two years at a Catholic school. In the Muslim school, the teacher wrote to tell my mother that I made faces during Koranic studies.” — Barack Obama”Let’s not play games. I was suggesting – you’re absolutely right that John McCain has not talked about my Muslim faith.” — Barack Obama”To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets. We smoked cigarettes and wore leather jackets. At night, in the dorms, we discussed neocolonialism, Franz Fanon, Eurocentrism, and patriarchy. When we ground out our cigarettes in the hallway carpet or set our stereos so loud that the walls began to shake, we were resisting bourgeois society’s stifling conventions. We weren’t indifferent or careless or insecure. We were alienated.But this strategy alone couldn’t provide the distance I wanted, from Joyce or my past. After all, there were thousands of so-called campus radicals, most of them white and tenured and happily tolerant. No, it remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.” — Barack Obama”It was usually an effective tactic, another one of those tricks I had learned: (White) People were satisfied so long as you were courteous and smiled and made no sudden moves. They were more than satisfied, they were relieved — such a pleasant surprise to find a well-mannered young black man who didn’t seem angry all the time.” — Barack Obama”That’s just how white folks will do you. It wasn’t merely the cruelty involved; I was learning that black people could be mean and then some. It was a particular brand of arrogance, an obtuseness in otherwise sane people that brought forth our bitter laughter. It was as if whites didn’t know that they were being cruel in the first place. Or at least thought you deserving of their scorn.” — Barack Obama”It is this world, a world where cruise ships throw away more food in a day than most residents of Port-au-Prince see in a year, where white folks’ greed runs a world in need, apartheid in one hemisphere, apathy in another hemisphere…That’s the world! On which hope sits!” — Barack Obama”Nobody really thinks that Bush or McCain have a real answer for the challenges we face, so what they’re going to try to do is make you scared of me. You know, he’s not patriotic enough. He’s got a funny name. You know, he doesn’t look like all those other presidents on those dollar bills, you know. He’s risky.” — Barack Obama”I don’t believe it is possible to transcend race in this country. Race is a factor in this society. The legacy of Jim Crow and slavery has not gone away.” — Barack Obama”I can no more disown (Jeremiah Wright) than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother – a woman who helped raise me, a woman who sacrificed again and again for me, a woman who loves me as much as she loves anything in this world, but a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed by her on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.” — Barack Obama”The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn’t. But she is a typical white person…” — Barack Obama

Did he get dropped on his head as a baby?

This is coming from a guy who belongs to the political party who rooted for Quadaffi for political gain, crashed the economy with reckless deregulation policies.

Now what were the efforts that the GOP made to regulate the financial industry?  This should be fun.

Almost comical how the repukes WANT the unemployment to get worse so they can harp on how bad Obama is. liberaltormentor, you troll, what part of “+200,000 jobs” don’t you get, dummy?

Unemployment dropped, as it does every holiday season,  but goes up again in 1Q of the following year, as it will in 2012.  You don’t need to be a genius to figure that one out.  Christmas shopping always requires more help, but those jobs are only temporary.

Almost comical how the repukes WANT the unemployment to get worse so they can harp on how bad Obama is. liberaltormentor, you troll, what part of “+200,000 jobs” don’t you get, dummy?

 Santorum is on his way crashing to Earth as predicted.

Given that they’re counting the unemployed in the same (incorrect) fashion as always, it doesn’t matter. Nothing has changed except the numbers.

Funny how the conservatives will wave those numbers around when it makes Obama look bad, but suddenly they’re suspect when they improve.

“Swing and a miss dude…
 
I was talking about…”

And I was only quoting you.  So about food stamps, that number has only declined once since 2000 (in 2007.)  Would you agree that there were periods of economic prosperity in between then?  There were about 1 million people added in May 2011 in Alabama alone, due to the catastrophic tornadoes that tore through that state (not that Bush didn’t have to endure the same sorts of disasters that would add to those numbers, but there are certainly events outside of both their control that contribute to this growing number.) 

http://www.dailyjobsupdate.com/public/food-stamps-charts

As far as declining household income, as much as it pains me to say, you definitely have something there.  But it’s hard to argue with the amount of new jobs being created as an indicator (hopefully) of an economy that is on the upswing. 

What is hilarious is that the GOP as a whole, takes credit for the dropping unemployment rate, for WHATEVER reason it it has dropped.
The sad thing is that the GOP has nothing to claim credit for, for lower unemployment rates, other than optimism that they will be in office after the next election.
“We told you so” won’t work because of improvement, so they have to take credit for someone else’s work.

You said “one or two”. You made me cry!

Conservatives are the most ignorant group of people alive. They totally blame the President for the state of the economy and when signs of improvement occur they claim the President has no role whatsoever in the improvement. Can there be a more ignorant group of people? I think not.

wonder what universe he’s in; he is an idiot and will be a blip on the big screen before long.

FUX News and Glenn Beck have some of these posters dizzy.  Snap out of it man!!!

The selective outrage and hypocrisy is running rampant!

Which would then confirm that no one is hiring due to hatred of BHO and an intent to make him look bad to the detriment of our country as a whole. Is that how the present conservative values aspire to take care of this country our way or no way!

Negative numbers………?

Lost my job under Bush. Is that a hint?

Gave them Carte Blanc to do what ever they wanted…….?

I think liberals were hoping the GOP would get off the crazy train they had been on for 8 yrs raising the debt ceiling 6 times without much complaint. They were looking for the GOP to get on the train that would bring prosperity for the common good. Instead they got on the Tea Party crazy train and no one can comprimise on anything.

2nd story perhaps!

So far every metoric rise has been a firery crash and burn it seems..  just saying…..

Maybe he’s from Nibiru…oh wait that’s where Obama’s from….

Let’s be honest here. We all know employment goes up during the holiday season as it has done for years. Now whether you are left,right or center,after the complete mess Bush left the economy in,we had nowhere to go but up. We have had 24 straight months of job creation though not as many as we would like. You people that criticize Obama and call him foolish names should take a look in the mirror and ask yourself what this guy has done wrong. Every idea he came up with the Republicans squashed. And you people with GOP reps from your state should take stock of what he or she did to better the country in the last three years. Granted you took over the House with a jobs campaign. Can any one of you hypocrites name one jobs bill the Republicans have tabled since? Didn’t think so,it was go after womens’ rights ,Planned Parenthood(with the blatant lies that they are an abortion factory) and other social programs that are needed more now than ever. You can stand behind Santorum or Romney(I live in Ma. and saw firsthand the damage  he did to our state)and think you will retake the White House. The fact  of the matter is you won’t take over the outhouse with those two complete delusional assholes. The GOP will be lucky if they have a voice in government after 2012. The American people have seen through your lies and deceit so you better get your crying towels ready. And I say this as a proud American,anyone that votes Republican after the disgraceful show they have put on since Obama was elected,you get what you deserve.  

Most people did…and this yahoo is blaming Obama.

I thought the Tea Baggers told the Christmas Job “Makers” to not hire people.

The Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis has an excellent database where you can browse all sorts of data, conveniently displayed as graphs.

http://research.stlouisfed.org/ 

Everything is BHO’s fault. There is a serious case of amnesia in regards to the drunken spending done during 8yrs of raising the debt ceiling 6 times without complaint. I’ve been a registered Republican for some 40yrs. Never have I seen the party become this extreme. I’m hoping the crazy train stops soon at reality town. Then maybe we might get back to legit comprimise and get the country truly back to the ideals we all hope for it! I’ve said it before it’s one thing to be supportive of big corp, it’s another thing to sell out completely. Entitlement issue’s being made are confusing given our history. I guest the statement the lady in NY harbor no longer applies. ”Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door.” This ideal has applied to citizens and those that would be citizens. We have become a nation of hatred and greed. I can only hope that hope and change will be infused in all Americans and not continue to be a partisan war off none accomplishment endangering all that we have.

That was clever!  Well done…

Now I recall why you and I had a disagreement, a while back?  There was a lack of civility present.  I hope we are past that?

Either way, I thought ROCKY’s comment was prescient and funny.  Moreover, I am trying to reconcile the person I spoke with recently, to the comment above?  What on earth is it you find so alluring about Obama and his policies?  

Anyway, I suspect that America is about to get precisely what we ask for?  Then, both you and I can remind people what happened to America…  ( I am sure you understand my point)

Respectfully, Purveyor  

Point well taken. :)

Here’s a few historical articles and the actual bill McCain proposed in 2006 that can help you educate yourself on this….the truth will set you free.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/11/business/new-agency-proposed-to-oversee-freddie-mac-and-fannie-mae.html

http://www.alta.org/govt/issues/05/S-190_0126.pdf

http://mccain.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=PressOffice.PressReleases&ContentRecord_id=c97d478f-f460-4253-b2ec-8d9fbcaff20c

Have Fun!

You understand the incriments that the debt ceiling was raised over those eight years was only a fraction of what Obama wanted to raise it in one year, right? 

Of course you dont understand that…

Businesses don’t believe a word this lying charlatan spews!!

Face the truth, we have the least business friendly president this Country has ever seen!!

Yes businesses don’t like someone who won’t give them the sweet free deals the GOP/Tea party does give them.

Face the truth, they will destroy the country before they give him any appearance of success since they have completely sold out to big corp. End result we all lose!

It appears GWB didn’t support it. It appears to have been flawed in many ways. Taking oversite away from HUD and putting it under the Treasury oversite would also effectively put it under the Federal Reserve. Isn’t that like the fox overseeing the chicken coop?

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=24851#axzz1j1JuSvL2

Sure the small increment increases would be considered insignificant by those who hate BHO. When damage is done it usually costs more than what was spent doing the damage to do the repairs needed.

I understand your smug perception it is seen thru hate filled eyes!

Your missing the point.  The point was the GOP in congress and the administration recognized the issue in as early as 2003, and wanted to do something about it..  Their disagreements on waht should be done is irrelevant.  The point is they brought it to the attention of congress, and the dems blocked any effort to re-regulate the mortgage industry…choosing instead to do nothing..

You missed the point again.  You made the assertion that the GOP was crazy to raise the debt ceiling six times in small incriments compared to Obama’s massive debt increases

The reason your comment is so silly, is because the debt ceiling has been rasied at a steady rate every year since Carter.  The GWB admin was well within this rate increase.

http://mercatus.org/publication/30-years-bipartisan-debt-ceiling-raises

So anyway…you got nothing.  And next time instead of resorting to the same tired, boring liberal default retort of hate or racism.,…come up with something of substance pls…

Oh yeah, and the largest increas during the GWB admin was provided by Pelosi’s congress…

Again blame is our game. It was flawed so it didn’t pass and agreement couldn’t be reached as to what should be done. That is the problem overall. Congress has been disfunctional with the partisan BS. Sometimes its better to do nothing than to do the wrong thing. Had it passed it wouldn’t have kept the melt down from taking place. No one is saying the potential problem wasn’t visable at the time. Its the ineptitude of Congress to solve the problem in a bipartisan basis. That is the problem and is the relevant issue here. It continues to go on indefinity it seems.

Would it have stopped the melt done?  Probably not..  But if anything was done, such as getting this bill passed in 2005, the amount that home prices artificialy inflated would have been less, and the amount of toxic loans handed out would have been less..

Whatever I guess….we can speculate either way based of our political beliefs,