Former Weather Underground founder Bill Ayers faced off with America director Dinesh D’Souza for an intense debate on The Kelly File tonight over whether America is a fundamentally good or an “inherently evil” nation. Ayers said America’s done horrible things, while D’Souza argued America has done great things with his power that other countries would horribly abuse.
Ayers made the case for radical change in America, citing the Founders and the way civil rights protestors took action. D’Souza said that Martin Luther King Jr. broke the law “non-violently” and was willing to accept American consequences, unlike the Weather Underground, which he said was born from “a kind of anti-Americanism that was fostered in America.”
Ayers pointed to things America did in the past like “genocide against the Native Americans” and enslaving people. D’Souza said Native Americans died because of diseases the white men brought, and Kelly asked why far-left people like Ayers have a “reflexive instinct” to blame America.
Ayers said, “I’m not proud to be an American and I don’t buy the American exceptionalism at all.” D’Souza said that America is “benign in the way it exercises its power” and that it uses its power in a way that other countries would abuse.
Watch the full interview below, via Fox News:
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