Two Liberal Organizations Fighting….I’m Shocked…simply Shocked!

It reminds me of the Great Obama-Clinton Battles during the campaign fighting over who is the Racist!

Would be fun if they’d bring Rasmussen in — the discovery process as to Rasmussen would be a real hoot!! Rasmussen makes Research 2000 look like geniuses in comparison.

Bill, that old liberal talking point is getting a little tired. Rasmussen has proven to be one of the most reliable and one of the only to use likely voters. Why don’t you write to Markos over at the Daily Kos and ask for an updated talking point.

Sure, michelle – it really shows in places like this http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

You ever think about looking at the evidence before you shoot off your mouth? Might help if you started aiming from the brain.

While I have nothing against Gregg Jarrett and I appreciate his panel’s analysis of the case, a little quick math on the anchor’s Wiki shows that he likely practiced law for less than 13 years. Of course I don’t say this to take anything away from his academic achievement and it doesn’t make him less qualified to discuss the case, it was just a strange way to dismiss an attorney’s argument.

Bill, I fail to see your point. So Rasmussen doesn’t parrot what others polls say, that doesn’t make him the wrong one. I’d tell you to aim from your brain, but that would be a lost cause for you.

Here you go, Bill:

The List: Which presidential polls were most accurate?

http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/11/the_list_which_presidential_po.html

No need to thank me, I know that would be really embarrassing for you.

PS) Perhaps as he was researching the case, the year the attorney passed the bar jumped out at him and it made him feel old, so I’m not saying that he did anything wrong. I’ve been guilty of occasionally sounding the same way. I just thought that it was an odd thing for him to have devoted precious seconds of air.

Psst! Michelle!! It’s 2010, not 2008 — and Pew, which your link also cited as ‘most accurate,’ has Obama at -1, a distinct difference from Rasmussen. Rasmussen is trying to drive the polls for Obama down, it’s obvious.

Hey Bill, instead of arguing about Rasmussen. how about you post ONE link that says the Daily Kos pollster is the most accurate. I mean above you claimed they are more reliable than Rasmussen. Now, I could post a ton of links that say Rasmussen is one of the most reliable, I’d like just ONE from you backing up your claim. I’ll be waiting. If you can’t find one, I’ll settle for you admitting you pulled it out of your….Good luck to you!

The “merits” of Daily Kos? If by merits, you mean a bunch of far left, America-hating nut jobs.

MichelleF said:
Hey Bill, instead of arguing about Rasmussen. how about you post ONE link that says the Daily Kos pollster is the most accurate. I mean above you claimed they are more reliable than Rasmussen. Now, I could post a ton of links that say Rasmussen is one of the most reliable, I’d like just ONE from you backing up your claim. I’ll be waiting. If you can’t find one, I’ll settle for you admitting you pulled it out of your….Good luck to you!

Now you’re changing the subject, like you tried to go back to the future in to 2008. Keep waiting, and maybe you could look for any poll that is similar to the extreme result of Rasmussen? I’ll be waiting!! Good Luck To You!!

I’M changing the subject. I believe I ask you to just back up your claim. Why won’t you do that?

Yeah, we all know that Daily Kos will play it straight down the middle and have no agenda in how poll results turn out.

@MichelleF: Wasn’t the premise of the segment and the foundation of Kos’s action is that he’s saying the R2k poll results were possibly, if not likely inaccurate? If the folks at Kos are questioning the accuracy of their own polling, why would anyone else defend it?

MichelleF said:
I’M changing the subject. I believe I ask you to just back up your claim. Why won’t you do that?

And I just pointed you at Pew which was both accurate in 2008 and in line with polls that are overwhelmingly and distinctly different from Rasmussen. Again, show me another poll with the extreme results produced by Rasmussen?

Magister, Bill said the Daily Kos pollster is more accurate than Rasmussen. That is what we are discussing.

Bill, the reason I used 2008 data is because if I’m not mistaken, that’s when we elected Obama and we haven’t had another presidental election since then. Now I will be gone a few hours so that should give you plenty of time to either post a link that says the Daily Kos pollster is more reliable than Rasmussen or admit you made it up.

After Bush left office, Ras changed how they calculate presidential approval. They ask whether people strongly approve, approve, disapprove, or strongly disapprove. Then they throw out all the approve/disapprove response, and extrapolate the results using only the strong response.

His approval polls don’t reflect people who approve vs. disapprove, they reflect people who strongly approve vs. strongly disapprove. Outlets like Fox love this because Ras polls always show +10 more disapproval points vs. every other poll.

Kos is a loser like all libs are.

Bill Adkins says:
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Would be fun if they’d bring Rasmussen in — the discovery process as to Rasmussen would be a real hoot!! Rasmussen makes Research 2000 look like geniuses in comparison.”

Typical lib BS.

The Dailykos had Scott Brown trailing in Mass. by 5 points on the day of election.

Bawahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

MichelleF says:
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Here you go, Bill:

The List: Which presidential polls were most accurate?

http://blogs.chron.com/txpotomac/2008/11/the_list_which_presidential_po.html

No need to thank me, I know that would be really embarrassing for you.”

Oh, snap! Hello!

Ah, The Daily Kos suing its own polling firm for lies and distortions. Truly, the pot is calling the kettle black….

The daily kos should change its name to the Daily Liar.

“Rasmussen has proven to be one of the most reliable ”

Says who? Citation? The only clear citation here – courtesy of Bill Adkins – shows one example of Rasmussen’s anti-Dem skew. Whether this is deliberate – or just poor polling – is another matter.

Don’t be too hard on Michelle. She watches Glumm Blech-h-h. That’s punishment enough.

“Rasmussen doesn’t parrot what others polls say, that doesn’t make him the wrong one. ”

Their consistently right-of-center results expose either bias or poor polling.

“No need to thank me”

We won’t. One result doth not a trend make. Rasmussen still “pulls” to the right – like any other “clunker.”

“a bunch of far left, America-hating nut jobs.”

Thanks for your profound insights. Sheesh.

DK deserves kudos for exposing its own polling as suspect – even though the results favored THEIR view. That took integrity – a word not often tossed at the right.

“Hey Bill, instead of arguing about Rasmussen. how about you post ONE link that says the Daily Kos pollster is the most accurate. I mean above you claimed they are more reliable than Rasmussen. . . . I’M changing the subject. I believe I ask you to just back up your claim. Why won’t you do that?”

Bill didn’t make such a claim. he said “Rasmussen makes Research 2000 look like geniuses >in comparison<." Hyperbolic, but not inaccurate, since Rasmussen has often been on the right/conservative side of the statistical norm.

"Yeah, we all know that Daily Kos will play it straight down the middle and have no agenda in how poll results turn out."

Yeah, shame on them for seeking accurate polling results – REGARDLESS of their "agenda."

"Kos is a loser like all libs are."

What, no anal/excretory references? You're slipping . . . probably on that Preparation H you spilled.

"The Dailykos had Scott Brown trailing in Mass. by 5 points on the day of election. "

Which is one reason why Kos is suing, Your Sphincterness.

"The Daily Kos suing its own polling firm for lies and distortions. Truly, the pot is calling the kettle black"

No, Kos is calling for the TRUTH, and isn't afraid to take a hit from myopic neocons who can't – or won't – comprehend the degree of integrity and honesty DK is displaying.

Righties tend to cover up their errors – if they can. Lefties tend to admit to theirs – even when, as in this case, they weren't directly responsible.

"The daily kos should change its name to the Daily Liar."

Hilarious. Where's the other half of your wit?

Bill Adkins said:
Sure, michelle – it really shows in places like this http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html

Like she said, Rasmussun is the one that screens for likely voters, hence the disparity.

You progressive nut cases are a hoot! If a poll is way off in your mind, just ignore it. But wait! The left has, for years, used polling to move the agenda and push the news cycle. They know the power of polls to persuade, hell, they’ve been doing it for years!

It’s great to see libs in pure panic mode. :)

jrcmi says:
July 5, 2010 at 4:33 pm jrcmi

“Rasmussen has proven to be one of the most reliable ”

Says who? Citation? The only clear citation here – courtesy of Bill Adkins – shows one example of Rasmussen’s anti-Dem skew. Whether this is deliberate – or just poor polling – is another matter.

Attacking Rasmussen has become a habit for those on the left, as is with any company or person who contradicts the leftwing talking points. Fact is, however, Rasmussen is considered very reliable, and have the history to prove it.

Michelle and notsofast both highlighted a piece from “Chron” which showed Rasmussen (as well as Pew) to be two of the most accurate polling services in the past election. The argument that “that was then, this is now” is so foolish it almost doesn’t merit response, but for argument sake, if you don’t consider what they’ve done in the past, how can you judge their accuracy now? Duh.

Additionally, here is a quote from FiveThrityEight’s Nate Silver, a leftwing favorite pollster:

“Regular readers of this website will be very familiar with Rasmussen Reports, a standalone polling firm that releases a prolific amount of polling data on elections and public policy issues. Past FiveThirtyEight.com analyses have generally found Rasmussen’s electoral polling to be quite reliable.”

And how about a piece from US News and World Report?

Fact is, they’re just as was originally stated… one of the most reliable polling firms out there. Simply because some don’t like the results provided, they are not entitled to creating their own reality where Rasmussen is seen as something else.

As for the argument that their “numbers are different than the other guys,” how is that proof of anything? Have you proven the other firms to be more reliable, or just producing numbers more friendly to your point of view? Perhaps that’s the difference… perhaps the other guys are getting it wrong, and Rasmussen is getting it right. Either way, that is no evidence of anything. If you have real evidence that they’re incorrect… prove it. Show us where they’ve been found conclusively wrong.

Their consistently right-of-center results expose either bias or poor polling.

Or… there’s one more. Or… that those are the results, and other companies are biased in the other direction?! Oh, I should have given you more time to figure it out.

Again, if you have any actual evidence, provide it.

DK deserves kudos for exposing its own polling as suspect – even though the results favored THEIR view. That took integrity – a word not often tossed at the right.

Yeah… lots of integrity. Or perhaps, instead of hiring a polling service that was giving numbers that were almost consistently wrong, they could have done their research a long time ago and given them the boot! The timing of this is very odd to me. Why did they just figure this out now? Were they about to be exposed? Was the polling company having a harder and harder time fudging the facts, and DK got mad? Why now?

But to say this demonstrates integrity is laughable. Integrity wouldn’t have been trying to pass off phony polls in the first place. KOS has no business doing anything with polls, because we know where they will consistently come out. They are an advocacy organization, and to put out their own polling is only an attempt to further that goal. “Integrity” isn’t even close.

Hyperbolic, but not inaccurate, since Rasmussen has often been on the right/conservative side of the statistical norm.

And yet, highly accurate in terms of actual results. The “statistical norm” has been show to be incorrect in terms of results.

And of course it’s inaccurate! KOS’s poll was found to be fudging the numbers, and haven’t had anything close to the success of Rasmussen. Exactly how was Bill’s statement “accurate?” What evidence is there?

No, Kos is calling for the TRUTH, and isn’t afraid to take a hit from myopic neocons who can’t – or won’t – comprehend the degree of integrity and honesty DK is displaying.

HA! And if they were really upset over Brown’s polling, wouldn’t they have done something months ago? Why now?

Righties tend to cover up their errors – if they can. Lefties tend to admit to theirs – even when, as in this case, they weren’t directly responsible.

That’s a joke right? Wow…

what

So the polling was FINE when Bush was under 30% – where Obama is surely heading! – but now the radical left questions the methodology!

Noone’s buying it, lefties! – Get Ready For November!!

ps) Here’s a novel idea: Evolve from your indoctrination, and start dealing with the Truth!….Oh, I forgot, PROGRESSIVES CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!

The Pew Research Center and Rasmussen Reports were the most accurate in predicting the results of the 2008 election, according to a new analysis by Fordham University political scientist Costas Panagopoulos.

@ All Clear-Thinkers here…check out the “Anti-Progressive Gift Shop” @:

http://www.zazzle.com/talkingpoints

“The left has, for years, used polling to move the agenda and push the news cycle. They know the power of polls to persuade, hell, they’ve been doing it for years!”

Oh my God – the POLLS are part of the Great Leftist Conspiracy, too? Lock the doors! Hide the kids! Crawl under the bed . . . no, wait – there’s COMMIES under there!

“It’s great to see libs in pure panic mode”

No, that’s uncontrollable LAUGHTER at the more ridiculous right-wingnuts.

“Rasmussen is considered very reliable, and have the history to prove it.”

All of a sudden you’re tongue-kissing lefties like 538 and U.S. News? How convee-ee-ee-nient! Will we be invited to the wedding?

“instead of hiring a polling service that was giving numbers that were almost consistently wrong, they could have done their research a long time ago and given them the boot!”

How could they know they were getting bad data until they GOT bad data? But logic doesn’t enter your, er, “thinking,” does it?

“Was the polling company having a harder and harder time fudging the facts”

Unlike right-wingers who throw their own “under the bus” without a second thought, it probably took time for the trend of erroneous data to become evident. DK may have been reluctant to act until they were sure of themselves – also known as INTEGRITY, a word somewhat foreign to the right.

“highly accurate in terms of actual results.”

They called the ’08 election. For all we know it could’ve been a statistical fluke by comparison with their overall trend.

As you said: that was then, this is NOW.

“KOS’s poll was found to be fudging the numbers”

Which is EXACTLY why Kos is p-o’d. Why are you criticizing DK for “biting the bullet” and (very) publicly demanding accountability? Why are you arguing AGAINST accountability? Are you afraid people will start looking harder at your Republicant pals on Capitol Hill?

” Righties tend to cover up their errors – if they can. Lefties tend to admit to theirs – even when, as in this case, they weren’t directly responsible.’

That’s a joke right?”

Nobody’s laughing . . . except at you.

“what”

Yet another pearl of wisdumb from His Royal Sphincterness.

“So the polling was FINE when Bush was under 30% – where Obama is surely heading! – but now the radical left questions the methodology!”

Bush was “dogmeat” in numerous polls, not just one or two and not only during an isolated span of time.

“PROGRESSIVES CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!”

They can handle THIS truth; you’re a spamming WEASEL. Get lost, cretin.

“The Pew Research Center and Rasmussen Reports were the most accurate in predicting the results of the 2008 election”

But ImNotTrue says THAT was THEN. You can fight it out with HIM, Your Royal . . .

More disturbing however, is the total COVERUP of the Panther Voter Intimidation Scandal!

Outside of FOX, the ObamaMedia is deliberately IGNORING a Major FREEDOM scandal by Eric Holder!

Is this a nation of laws, or of RACIAL PREFERENCE?

The video of the black panthers intimidating white voters speaks for itself!

jrcmi says:
July 6, 2010 at 5:39 am

All of a sudden you’re tongue-kissing lefties like 538 and U.S. News? How convee-ee-ee-nient! Will we be invited to the wedding?

This is your way to saying, “I can’t refute the evidence you provided… especially because it’s from sources I typically like… so I’ll just mock it instead.”

Hey, Jr… you think that tactic will work? You think I’ll notice? Shhhh… maybe if we don’t talk about it, I’ll miss it! Shhh.

How could they know they were getting bad data until they GOT bad data? But logic doesn’t enter your, er, “thinking,” does it?

How long have they been working together? Do you think Brown in Boston was their first bit of “bad data?” They should have been able to see this much earlier if the polling firm was as bad as they’re now claiming they are.

Unlike right-wingers who throw their own “under the bus” without a second thought,

Joe Lieberman is a testament to the fortitude and respect given by Democrats to former Vice Presidential nominees… right? Oh, and here I thought the leftwing line was that Democrats purge their own, unlike Republicans who “keep them around.” Which is it Jr, I’m having trouble keeping track of the spins.

…it probably took time for the trend of erroneous data to become evident. DK may have been reluctant to act until they were sure of themselves – also known as INTEGRITY, a word somewhat foreign to the right.

Yeah… OR, they could have compared their first few polls, demanded to see research information… and done more investigations from the get go, BEFORE they started to trust a company which they now find “untrustworthy.” Is this how Democrats and Liberals manage? Trust first, verify down the road if things in the past seem a little fishy years later? Doesn’t seem like a great strategy.

They called the ‘08 election. For all we know it could’ve been a statistical fluke by comparison with their overall trend.

Neat! Evidence you can’t actually refute… so you simply create a reason why it’s unimportant! I guess the old saying is true… if you can’t beat them with info, just make it up! I like your fiction, you should write a book.

As you said: that was then, this is NOW.

And there is no evidence of a change, and no proof that they’re any less correct today.

Which is EXACTLY why Kos is p-o’d. Why are you criticizing DK for “biting the bullet” and (very) publicly demanding accountability? Why are you arguing AGAINST accountability?

I’m not… I’m arguing that it’s too little, too late. They should have dumped them a long time ago. They were derelict for a long time, this isn’t a problem that started yesterday.

Are you afraid people will start looking harder at your Republicant pals on Capitol Hill?

Yeah, I’m worried that KOS will start looking harder at Republicans. That makes sense.

No wait… it doesn’t. You think KOS’ coming out and saying, “our polling is bunk” will effect Republicans how, exactly? Just a one-track mind, huh? Attack Republicans, even when they’re uninvolved and unrelated to the topic.

Nobody’s laughing . . . except at you.

You just keep telling yourself that. Your fiction is impressive. Although, sad that you think it’s based in some sort of reality… when there’s no evidence to relate.

They can handle THIS truth; you’re a spamming WEASEL. Get lost, cretin.

*Stomps feet, and cries a little*

“The Pew Research Center and Rasmussen Reports were the most accurate in predicting the results of the 2008 election”

But ImNotTrue says THAT was THEN. You can fight it out with HIM, Your Royal . . .

And until you find any evidence that that Rasmussen is incorrect, you’re simply making stuff up.

I’m not sure why this is so tough for you. We know you’ve already determined Rasmussen to be wrong, simply because you don’t like their results… but you still have no proof of that. It’s a shame, really. You’ve created a reality, and then get upset when you’re called out for being untruthful and fictional.

Pity.

LOL! – The Daily Kos! – LOL!

psst, the Daily Kos is nothing more than an Ideological Cartoon!

One word to describe liberal INFLUENCE in 2010 America – DWINDLING!

THANK YOU BARRY!

A tempest in a teacup. It’s impossible to interpret polls this far in advance of November’s elections. Nevertheless, the right-wingers whose hatred of Obama knows no bounds, are salivating in a very delusional manner about the blood bath that’s going to befall the Democrats in November. Half the country appears to be supportive of Obama, the other half is either hard core revanchists or confused independents, mostly the latter. Obama has actually in the midst of a lot of turmoil accomplished a lot and people are beginning to understand what the Republicans, and its mostly Republicans. have done to this country over the past 30+ years. More wars, less regulations, serious attempts to beat back social security and any type of real health care reform, tax cuts for millionaires, etc. For sure, the Democrats will lose some seats but not enough to bring these bums back. The big question that none of you right-wingers can answer is what do the Republicans have to offer asides from the negative, nowhere offerings of Beck, Limbaught, the Pauls and the Teabaggers.

“This is your way to saying, “I can’t refute the evidence you provided… especially because it’s from sources I typically like… so I’ll just mock it instead.””

No, it’s my way of saying you’re a hypocrite. You wouldn’t even LOOK at a lefty source . . . until it suits your purpose. And you still haven’t mastered the art of posting your sources, showing either lassitude or unsurety as to their veracity.

“How long have they been working together? Do you think Brown in Boston was their first bit of “bad data?” They should have been able to see this much earlier ”

And how long have YOU been in the polling business? How can you judge how much “earlier,” if at all, they should have discerned R2K’s errors?

Congrats. Your hindsight is 20/20. Trends take time to discern.

“Evidence you can’t actually refute… so you simply create a reason why it’s unimportant! ”

No, just holding you to your own rationalizations.

“You think KOS’ coming out and saying, “our polling is bunk” will effect Republicans how, exactly?”

By looking askance at ALL polling, including Rasmussen . . .again.

“They can handle THIS truth; you’re a spamming WEASEL. Get lost, cretin.

*Stomps feet, and cries a little*”

Norbit is posting spam – THAT’S why he’s a “spamming weasel.” It had nothing to do with his opinion.

Do you actually comprehend what you read, or are you so blinded by your biases?

“And until you find any evidence that that Rasmussen is incorrect, you’re simply making stuff up.”

Where’s your “proof” that they ARE accurate?

An unmade-up quote from your betrothed Nate Silver of 538:

( http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2010/01/is-rasmussen-reports-biased.html )

” . . . I’m not saying that Rasmussen’s question wording is always biased. It isn’t. And I’m sure you could find a couple of cases where the wording tend to portray the liberal argument more favorably. But cases like these happen consistently enough with Rasmussen that I’d say it’s a concern. And when they do use unorthodox question wording, nine times out of ten it favors the conservative argument. I would describe this as a form of bias — although it should generally implicate only the poll in question, and not their overall enterprise. . . . ”

You only quoted a portion of his comments. The entire article is more nuanced – yet another word not often associated with neocons.

Rasmussen’s results have been questioned elsewhere:

(http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2010_07/024532.php)

“It’s Rasmussen, so take the results with a grain of salt, but the pollster shows right-wing ophthalmologist Rand Paul (R) leading state Attorney General Jack Conway (D) in Kentucky’ Senate race, 49% to 42%.”

( http://www.onewisconsinnow.org/page/community/post/scotross/CHrB )

“Some have raised concerns that Rasmussen words its questions in a way that favors Republicans and conservatives. Not to the level of Strategic Vision’s fraudulent polling, by any stretch, but noteworthy, nonetheless.”

“Joe Lieberman is a testament to the fortitude and respect given by Democrats to former Vice Presidential nominees… right?”

Deflect much? How is that pertinent to Kos v. R2K?

It may have escaped your attention that Lieberman is no longer a Democrat. He lost his primary back in ’06(?). Even so, the Dems gave him a chairmanship. Not exactly “thrown under the bus” – but those facts don’t bother you, do they?

“I’m not sure why this is so tough for you.”

Not tough at all. Past media reports questioned Rass’s accuracy and methodology. Their right-leaning results make them a FakesNews favorite, which in and of itself is suspicious.

“upset when you’re called out for being untruthful and fictional.”

I am neither upset, untruthful or fictional, though I do feel sorry for self-deluded people.

Nor am I alone in questioning Rasmussen’s results/methodology. His subscribers are the ones who should be upset.

YOU strike me as being “unreal.” You never present an iota of evidence to back up your opinions, which you present as “facts.” You deflect and accuse because you can’t disprove.

Your attempts to deflect us from the nub of this story won’t work. Kos believes he was misled by R2K, even though they presented him with results favorable to his own worldview. The neocon tendency would be to sweep it under the proverbial rug and swallow the “happy numbers.”

Kos has shown the courage of his convictions by insisting on accurate polling – period.

jrcmi says:
July 6, 2010 at 5:35 pm

No, it’s my way of saying you’re a hypocrite.

Evidence?

You wouldn’t even LOOK at a lefty source . . . until it suits your purpose.

False… and you have nothing to back that up. Please stop lying.

And you still haven’t mastered the art of posting your sources, showing either lassitude or unsurety as to their veracity.

Riiiight. What would you like more proof of? Fact is, I’ve backed up more of my opinions in one post, than you’ve done in your time writing here. Do you think anyone believes your lies?

And how long have YOU been in the polling business? How can you judge how much “earlier,” if at all, they should have discerned R2K’s errors?

Well… if there were significant “mistakes” (as in bad polls) prior to now, that would be a good start. I think we need to see what it was that alerted them to their bad polling, and how accurate the polls were prior to that point.

Congrats. Your hindsight is 20/20. Trends take time to discern.

When you’re paying someone for a service, you don’t always have time to wait for a “trend.”

“Gee, this restaurant has terrible service, I think we’ll only come back here another 5 or 6 times, to see if it’s still bad.” says Jr. “Or, we could just go somewhere else instead,” says INB.

No, just holding you to your own rationalizations.

Another lie. The fact that you keep getting caught like this, and then try to lie your way out is pretty pathetic.

By looking askance at ALL polling, including Rasmussen . . .again.

So KOS hires a crummy company… and that means everyone else is bad? Or does that mean since you don’t like talking about KOS, you’ll deflect to talk about Rasmussen, and that’s good (although dishonest) for you?

Norbit is posting spam – THAT’S why he’s a “spamming weasel.” It had nothing to do with his opinion.

I’ll call the waaaaaaaaa-mbulance for you.

Or better yet, go talk to Big_F. I know he’s on “your side,” but he’s actually said his only purpose is to hang around an annoy the people he disagrees with. His words! Go call him a weasel and then get back to me.

Do you actually comprehend what you read, or are you so blinded by your biases?

Oh I comprehend… I’m just more interested in your hypocrisy.

Where’s your “proof” that they ARE accurate?

I already did that.

You only quoted a portion of his comments. The entire article is more nuanced – yet another word not often associated with neocons.

Uh-huh… an where in that “nuanced” post did he say the polling was incorrect? Ooooh, that’s right, he didn’t! That’s why I posted the relevant part where he said the polling was strong.

Love your generalizations and pomposity, though. Is it hard to type with that size chip on your shoulder?

Rasmussen’s results have been questioned elsewhere:

And questioning is equal to evidence of inaccuracy on what planet?

“It’s Rasmussen, so take the results with a grain of salt, but the pollster shows right-wing ophthalmologist Rand Paul (R) leading state Attorney General Jack Conway (D) in Kentucky’ Senate race, 49% to 42%.”

Which happens to be on par with the other polling companies. Even KOS (prior to their split with R2000) had <a href="http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/senate/ky/kentucky_senate_paul_vs_conway-1148.html"Paul at +3.

“Some have raised concerns that Rasmussen words its questions in a way that favors Republicans and conservatives. Not to the level of Strategic Vision’s fraudulent polling, by any stretch, but noteworthy, nonetheless.”

Again… “raised concerns” is another way of saying, “the leftwing has complained, but there’s no real evidence.”

You still haven’t proven anything.

Deflect much? How is that pertinent to Kos v. R2K?

Well… because you said this:

Unlike right-wingers who throw their own “under the bus” without a second thought, it probably took time for the trend of erroneous data to become evident.

And I used Lieberman to prove you dead wrong. Deal with it.

It may have escaped your attention that Lieberman is no longer a Democrat.

Because he was kicked out by the far leftwing of the party, when he refused to tow their line regarding Iraq.

He lost his primary back in ‘06(?). Even so, the Dems gave him a chairmanship. Not exactly “thrown under the bus” – but those facts don’t bother you, do they?

Really? So when a former Vice Presidential nominee doesn’t get a re-election bid because he didn’t go along with ONE of their ideas… when friends and collegues come up and say he should drop out, he’s selfish, and he’s not the person for the job anymore… that’s not throwing him under the bus? When KOS attacks him based on religion, personality, and draws him up in blackface to discredit him… that’s not under the bus? And when the state overwhelmingly re-elects him as an independent, and the Democrats in an attempt to buy back his support let him keep his chairmanship (despite claims from their far-left supporters that they should give him the boot), that’s the Dems being the “good guys?”

Wow! You’re spinning so fast now, I bet your just a blur.

Not tough at all. Past media reports questioned Rass’s accuracy and methodology. Their right-leaning results make them a FakesNews favorite, which in and of itself is suspicious.

And yet, no matter how many times I say this, you’re still not getting it… there is NO EVIDENCE that they’ve done anything inappropriate. You’re just making stuff up to fit your ideological slant.

I am neither upset, untruthful or fictional, though I do feel sorry for self-deluded people.

Self pity?

Nor am I alone in questioning Rasmussen’s results/methodology. His subscribers are the ones who should be upset.

Yes, when the left questions the results and methodology, yet has no actual evidence… I’m sure his subscribers are very upset.

YOU strike me as being “unreal.” You never present an iota of evidence to back up your opinions, which you present as “facts.”

Except for the links posted, which you mocked instead of addressing.

You deflect and accuse because you can’t disprove.

A lie.

Your attempts to deflect us from the nub of this story won’t work. Kos believes he was misled by R2K, even though they presented him with results favorable to his own worldview. The neocon tendency would be to sweep it under the proverbial rug and swallow the “happy numbers.”

That is a lie, and again you have nothing to prove it.

Kos has shown the courage of his convictions by insisting on accurate polling – period.

His convictions are to promote a leftwing ideology and attack rightwing positions at all costs. I’m not sure you want to promote his “convictions” as evidence of anything positive.

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Oh… and let’s end all this now. Here we go:

In jrcmi’s 5:35pm post, he said, “Trends take time to discern.” This was a rationalization for why it took KOS a long while to determine R2K’s polling to be inaccurate.

Trends take time, he says. But now, let’s compare this to his position on Rasmussen.

To him, despite the “trend” being highly correct polling in the 2008 election, that isn’t enough. Apparently he wants more, which is what he said at 4:33pm: “One result doth not a trend make.” Rasmussen having a “trend” (remember, the 2008 election wasn’t one poll, it was a series of polls over a relatively long time) isn’t good enough.

Instead, he’s content to point to “questions” and “concerns,” as to their polling. Of course those “questions” and “concerns” don’t have any results to support them. So while he claims he needs more of a “trend” to make a decision, what he’s really saying it, “I don’t like the conclusion of that trend, so I’ll manufacture a reason not to believe them.” If he was really concerned with trends, and believed the 2008 election wasn’t enough, he’d wait until future elections before making a determination. But he hasn’t, and he doesn’t.

The facts are clear… Jr. simply doesn’t like the results of the Rasmussen surveys… so he’ll discredit them. It may be hypocritical for him to do so, and he may deny it’s just a political ploy, but the evidence (as stated above) shows another side. Logic proves that if he really believed what he says, he’d have to conclude that Rasmussen is valid, until other actual evidence (not simply a whisper campaign) is shows otherwise.

IOW, Jr. has proven himself to be a hack (one who supports an ideology at all costs, abandoning logic and embracing hypocrisy)… especially when it comes to polls that don’t support his ideas.

After looking at 538′s data, Rass has a PIE of 1.74, a rawscore of -0.32, and n of 400 (400 polls scored). They are just under Gallup with PIE of 1.66 and PEW with 1.60 to mention two other well respected pollsters. Research 2000 is in the bottom 5 with a PIE of 2.86, a rawscore of +0.71, and n of 286 (286 polls scored). While there are more accurate pollsters than Rass, one should realize most of them have a handful of polls to score, and/or only poll in one state. Rass also surveys likely voters instead of adults quite frequently, which makes his polls more accurate for elections, but likely puts him rightwards on things like approval rating and such. Throw in different wording and you will end up with an apples to oranges comparison when checking Rass against say Gallup. But they are both heads and shoulders above R2000, and Kos has a good reason to call foul against R2000. Don’t hold your breath waiting for KOS to retract any of the nasty slurs about the right wing and the tea party based on the R2000 bogus data though. IMB is mostly correct IHMO.