“gayness,”= Always in the showers with a boner staring at other people.

I’m a formal soldier during DADT was new and we had plenty of gay servicemen and women who did their jobs awesomely. Their commanders didn’t care as long as people did their job and kept it out of sight.

Now… it’s in plain sight. Are people really going to be OK with two men in BDUs holding hands or dancing together at the military ball in their dress uniforms?

Someone should compile a “25 dumbest congresscritters” list. I mean, there are so many congresscritters who are just dumb. Not as in I disagree with them. As in they’re dumb and shouldn’t be in important positions, and wouldn’t be if not for a dumb electorate.

I wish the GOP wouldn’t let their madness affect the ordinary folks who are trying to get by everyday. The GOP madness includes blackmailing the nation to give the Billionaires and the Millionaires tax break, if not everyone else can go to hell. Now thats what I called interference.

Geez… between this and the FIFA prez telling gay fans to not “be gay” in Dubi during world cup 2022 I’m just done.

The gays are going to push for brighter more attention grabbing combat fatigues.

Don’t let your need to pander to homophobes get in your way of applying the Constitution to ALL AMERICANS.

Kim Barker said:
Don’t let your need to pander to homophobes get in your way of applying the Constitution to ALL AMERICANS.

Exactly right. This is about equality for all Americans, plain and simple.

Fact: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ol5Dfs7jqFI

Kim Barker said:
pander to homophobes

Keane said:
equality for all Americans

Fact: You two twits! Bumbling babble heads!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5ba1OKY7Xc&feature=related

Fact:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z99SIuJuxPo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RKTSwAVaoU&feature=related

Just4thefax said:
Kim Barker said:
pander to homophobes

Keane said:
equality for all Americans

Fact: You two twits! Bumbling babble heads!

That’s right, everybody knows in the world of fake conservatives, that PANDERING TO HOMOPHOBES trumps CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS any day of the week. That’s why the whole Tea Party is simply a bunch of goons hiding behind a Constitution they’ve never read to disguise their irrational fear of gays and foreigners. Just4thefax is one of those goons.

Kim and Keane, please show me where, in the US Constitution, that gay people have a right to serve in the US military. Or, to make it easier, where ANYBODY has the right to serve. If serving in the military is a right, please explain why short people, fat people, diabetcs, cancer patients, old (over a whole 28 years old for Marines), convicts, transgender, mentally deficient, non-high school grads, drug users, alcoholics, chronic masterbators, zooists, polygamists, colorblind, severe acne, flat feet, etc, can’t serve. Even people who meet height/weight/bodyfat standards can’t serve if they don’t present a military appearance due to how they carry their weight (think pot belly). Or are we discriminating against them, too?
Having served, I know the answer. Let’s see if you do….
The claim that people who oppose the gay lifestyle have an irrational fear of gays (homophobia) is old and worn out. Not to mention it shows a complete ignorance of the facts and bigotry towards people who do not share your views. The name calling sure makes you look classy, too. But I digress…. For rational reasons to not promote the gay lifestyle, read up on the CDC.gov site. 20% of gay men have HIV, with 44% of them not knowing it. 53% of all new HIV cases are in gay men. They are 44 times more likely to contract HIV. 17 times more likely to get anal cancer. 20 year decrease in life expectency (compared to 13.5 for smokers-being gay is more dangerous to your health than smoking!). 63% of syphillis cases in gay men. And they only make up ~2% of the total population, or 4% if you count only 13 year old males and up. see here: http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/ngmHAAD2010PressRelease.html and here: http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm
Mental health issues are dramatically increased in gays according to this study from the Netherlands (remember, the Netherlands has no stigma or “homophobia” to blame mental disorders on). see here: http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/58/1/85?view=full&fp=85&vol=58&lookupType=volpage A few of the stats if you’re too lazy to read the link: +421% increase in panic disorders, +361% in simple phobias, +620% OCD, +727% bipolar disorder, +235% major depression in gay men. Women have +804% increase in drug dependence, +359% alcohol dependence, +244% major depression, etc…..
There are plenty of reasons to not accept the gay lifestyle as normal or a healthy lifestyle. I haven’t even mentioned any moral issues people have (especially religious reasons from ALL major religions, including Islam where gays are publicly stoned to death).
I’d suggest you read up on facts concerning homosexuality before you promote it or defend those who partake in it. Using emotions to justify promoting/defending homosexuality is a very weak position, and makes a person look ignorant. Calling people names who oppose homosexuality just appears childish. Especially when the facts concerning the risks to society are on the side of opposing homosexuality as a normal or healthy lifestyle. I remember the first 20 cases of HIV in the US in 1983 (gee, gay men in NYC. Imagine that). 27 years later, there are now more than 1,000,000 cases. The leading group HIV infects, and is transmited by, is overwhelmingly the gay community. Over 270,000 of them have died from it so far (remember, they make up 2% of total population). Yep, we should promote that lifestyle for all of society.

Good point. There’s always the chance that if we find Osama Bin Laden a Gay soldier might want to date him instead of capture him.

Just4thefax said:
Fact:

You’re a racist.

Gays and lesbians have been serving honorably in the military for decades. It defies logic that people are so certain that reapeal of DADT will cause a heretofore masculine and discreet gay marine (aka “butch bottom”) to suddenly change his whole demeanor and forget his combat training. The few gay and lesbian military folks that I know have not mentioned any plans to change how they perform their job duties or interact with other personnel. I also would not count on them rushing to announce themselves either; it will take a good while to feel they can really trust sharing too much info.

“Gays and lesbians have been serving honorably”

Reports from the “Atlantic” magazine allege that Navy veterans who served with Massa maintain that Massa frequently groped subordinates, touched other men inappropriately, and often gave unwelcomed “Massa Massages” to fellow ship mates. Stuart Borsch, a Navy vet who served with Massa, reported “In 1990, aboard the U.S.S. Jouett, I was awakened when a senior officer, Lt. Commander Massa, seemed to be groping me. (I was a lieutenant at the time.) I believe he may have been drinking. I shouted at him and he left. I mentioned the incident to several other officers. I did not officially report it.”

BFD said:
You’re a racist.

Fact: You are a Sarah P lackey! A dumb one at that!

Dave Holmes said:
Kim and Keane, please show me where, in the US Constitution, that gay people have a right to serve in the US military. Or, to make it easier, where ANYBODY has the right to serve. If serving in the military is a right, please explain why short people, fat people, diabetcs, cancer patients, old (over a whole 28 years old for Marines), convicts, transgender, mentally deficient, non-high school grads, drug users, alcoholics, chronic masterbators, zooists, polygamists, colorblind, severe acne, flat feet, etc, can’t serve. Even people who meet height/weight/bodyfat standards can’t serve if they don’t present a military appearance due to how they carry their weight (think pot belly). Or are we discriminating against them, too?Having served, I know the answer. Let’s see if you do….The claim that people who oppose the gay lifestyle have an irrational fear of gays (homophobia) is old and worn out. Not to mention it shows a complete ignorance of the facts and bigotry towards people who do not share your views. The name calling sure makes you look classy, too. But I digress…. For rational reasons to not promote the gay lifestyle, read up on the CDC.gov site. 20% of gay men have HIV, with 44% of them not knowing it. 53% of all new HIV cases are in gay men. They are 44 times more likely to contract HIV. 17 times more likely to get anal cancer. 20 year decrease in life expectency (compared to 13.5 for smokers-being gay is more dangerous to your health than smoking!). 63% of syphillis cases in gay men. And they only make up ~2% of the total population, or 4% if you count only 13 year old males and up. see here: http://www.cdc.gov/nchhstp/newsroom/ngmHAAD2010PressRelease.html and here: http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htmMental health issues are dramatically increased in gays according to this study from the Netherlands (remember, the Netherlands has no stigma or “homophobia” to blame mental disorders on). see here: http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/58/1/85?view=full&fp=85&vol=58&lookupType=volpage A few of the stats if you’re too lazy to read the link: +421% increase in panic disorders, +361% in simple phobias, +620% OCD, +727% bipolar disorder, +235% major depression in gay men. Women have +804% increase in drug dependence, +359% alcohol dependence, +244% major depression, etc…..There are plenty of reasons to not accept the gay lifestyle as normal or a healthy lifestyle. I haven’t even mentioned any moral issues people have (especially religious reasons from ALL major religions, including Islam where gays are publicly stoned to death).I’d suggest you read up on facts concerning homosexuality before you promote it or defend those who partake in it. Using emotions to justify promoting/defending homosexuality is a very weak position, and makes a person look ignorant. Calling people names who oppose homosexuality just appears childish. Especially when the facts concerning the risks to society are on the side of opposing homosexuality as a normal or healthy lifestyle. I remember the first 20 cases of HIV in the US in 1983 (gee, gay men in NYC. Imagine that). 27 years later, there are now more than 1,000,000 cases. The leading group HIV infects, and is transmited by, is overwhelmingly the gay community. Over 270,000 of them have died from it so far (remember, they make up 2% of total population). Yep, we should promote that lifestyle for all of society.

Well, I don’t believe in calling people like you homophobes, but I do strongly disagree with you on this. First of all, the reason fat people, short people, and the others you cite can’t serve is because of physical reasons. Their conditions would not permit them to serve efficiently. Gay men and women who are as fit as any other straight person in the military have nothing keeping them from serving efficiently, therefore, if they want to serve the country they love, they should be able to. Same goes for polygamists. If you are fit to serve and meet the physical requirements to serve, you should be able to serve, regardless of beliefs or sexual orientation.

By the way, you do realize that gay people are not the only people to get HIV/AIDS, dont’ you? If you want to rail against the gay lifestyle because of the amount of cases of HIV/AIDS, you might as well rail against the African American lifestyle, the Latino lifestyle, the youth lifestyle, etc. The majority of HIV sufferers do not transmit the disease to others. Yes, gay people do have a higher rate of HIV/AIDS, but there are ways to combat it, contraception, abstinence, etc.

I hope you realize that sexuality is not something you can choose. People should know that gay people are just like you and me, only with different sexualities. There should be NO discrimination against gays for ANY reason, including whether or not they are more prone to HIV/AIDS.

You don’t have a right to join the military. You’re right, but you don’t have a right to be hired for a job, yet you cannot be discriminate against anyone for their sexual orientation, anyway.

By the way, there is no right to serve? I wonder if that was brought up during the draft during Vietnam, WWII, etc…

I predict that within two weeks of full repeal, gay servicemen will be brazenly raping straight servicemen in the showers.

Honestly, insulting stereotypes of gay people remind me of how WWII-era German propaganda films that would portray Jews with hook-noses, lusting for money and non-Jewish women. And no, you imbeciles, I’m not equating Nazis with Conservatives. I’m saying when you freely accept and propagate stereotypes and misinformation because they fit your political views, you’re an idiot.

Oh, how wonderful! Now, Gay servicemembers won’t have to lie about how they spent their weekend; they can join in the bawdy barracks banter of all young soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and coasties.

When straight soldiers talk about “titty fucking”, “BJ’s” or intercourse, Gay soldiers will be able to regale their comrades with intimate stories of how much they enjoyed slurping down the sperm emitted from the feces-and-blood covered penis of their “special friend” — or several of them!

Imagine the joy of this new “open” way of life! Imagine the pleasure that will be derived by Gay soldiers as they watch their straight comrades wretch and vomit at the mere thought of their disgusting, filthy, disease-transmitting sexual liasons!

Oh, yes, its a wonderful new day for our fighting men!

Paula said:
Oh, how wonderful! Now, Gay servicemembers won’t have to lie about how they spent their weekend; they can join in the bawdy barracks banter of all young soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines and coasties. When straight soldiers talk about “titty fucking”, “BJ’s” or intercourse, Gay soldiers will be able to regale their comrades with intimate stories of how much they enjoyed slurping down the sperm emitted from the feces-and-blood covered penis of their “special friend” — or several of them! Imagine the joy of this new “open” way of life! Imagine the pleasure that will be derived by Gay soldiers as they watch their straight comrades wretch and vomit at the mere thought of their disgusting, filthy, disease-transmitting sexual liasons! Oh, yes, its a wonderful new day for our fighting men!

that’s some funny shit right there……Paula I know you meant your post to be sarcastic, but dammmm I can’t stop laughing….

“His lack of sophistication in speaking on the issue should be enough to embarrass him from wanting to discuss it .”

Actually, I think he should discuss it. In intimate detail. And make explicitly clear, as I have, just how having Gay servicemembers being able to share their intimate life with others will affect our servicemembers.

Matt Schneider said:> Missouri’s Todd Akin, is still confused about what the original problem was and why social statements have taken priority over national defense….Rep. Akin, a veteran and father of three Marines, clues us in about his confusion on the issue with very inarticulate language:

Rep. Akin’s statement:> There is a misunderstanding. If people are gay, they can serve in the military now. It’s just that they can’t allow their ‘gayness’ to get in the way of getting the mission done.

Matt Schneider’s observation:>It’s unclear what Akin would consider as impermissible “gayness,” but his lack of sophistication in speaking on the issue should be enough to embarrass him from wanting to discuss it again.

WHAT IS UNCLEAR? For the military, there IS ONLY ONE THING: THE MISSION! If they can’t focus on that, they don’t belong in the military. They are just going to get the wrong people killed. Matt Schneider, stick to sophistication.

Publius219 said:
Someone should compile a “25 dumbest congresscritters” list. I mean, there are so many congresscritters who are just dumb. Not as in I disagree with them. As in they’re dumb and shouldn’t be in important positions, and wouldn’t be if not for a dumb electorate.

This idiot would surely be near the very top of the list. The “dumb” electorate are mostly people in the rural areas who are easily manipulated by the GOP with fear tactics. Rural Missouri, in some areas, is like taking a snapshot of time in the 1950′s – anything which challenges the “way things are” is perceived as a dangerous threat.

Other parts of rural Missouri which are modernizing consist of strip malls, with a Wal-Mart at the center, and lots of fast food chains peppering the borders. Of course, this means “big business” concerns, which translates into “Republican” money being pumped into these areas to insure the electorate maintain the status-quo.

It’s not that the people are “bad” people – they just are easy picking for the Republican propagandists, who know how to push the right buttons in these people.

A Kim Bo said:
That’s right, everybody knows in the world of fake conservatives, that PANDERING TO HOMOPHOBES trumps CONSTITUTIONAL PROTECTIONS any day of the week. That’s why the whole Tea Party is simply a bunch of goons hiding behind a Constitution they’ve never read to disguise their irrational fear of gays and foreigners. Just4thefax is one of those goons.

I hate to disagree with you, but Just4thefax does not begin to rise to the low level of one of those goons to which you refer, even though that is Just4thefax’s supreme goal in life. Those goons would use Just4thefax for toilet paper, and when flushed, the toilet would reject it.

Dave Holmes said:
Yep, we should promote that lifestyle for all of society.

Phobe.

Moderate said:
“Gays and lesbians have been serving honorably”

Reports from the “Atlantic” magazine allege that Navy veterans who served with Massa maintain that Massa frequently groped subordinates, touched other men inappropriately, and often gave unwelcomed “Massa Massages” to fellow ship mates. Stuart Borsch, a Navy vet who served with Massa, reported “In 1990, aboard the U.S.S. Jouett, I was awakened when a senior officer, Lt. Commander Massa, seemed to be groping me. (I was a lieutenant at the time.) I believe he may have been drinking. I shouted at him and he left. I mentioned the incident to several other officers. I did not officially report it.”

Google: Navy officers molesting female subordinates.

There’s always a few bad apples. Your example is one of them. Your use of the example brands you as a phobe.

Paula said:
When straight soldiers talk about “titty fucking”, “BJ’s” or intercourse, Gay soldiers will be able to regale their comrades with intimate stories of how much they enjoyed slurping down the sperm emitted from the feces-and-blood covered penis of their “special friend” — or several of them!

What a fool you are. As if women – you included – haven’t enjoyed lapping up some of that sperm emitted from the feces-and-blood-covered penis of their (your) “special friend.” As if women in service haven’t done the same.

You seem to know a lot about it. Hypocrite.

Paula said:
“His lack of sophistication in speaking on the issue should be enough to embarrass him from wanting to discuss it .”

Actually, I think he should discuss it. In intimate detail. And make explicitly clear, as I have, just how having Gay servicemembers being able to share their intimate life with others will affect our servicemembers.

When I was in the Marines, never did any of us sit around and talk about what sluts we met in our private lives. Sharing “intimate details” of my private life was a non-starter, nor would I have wanted to hear any from my fellow Marines.

You’re a gossip monger, daydream believer.