Republicans are total corporate hoes, Dems just do it to get a little spending money. Especially blue  dogs.

I used to kind of like Bob, but he’s completely off the rails now.  It’s embarrassing. 

It wasn’t the little guy that Barry was courting millions from this week.  Nice try though!

takes one to know one..

Everyone with a brain knew that healthcare premiums were going to go up A LOT after Obamacare passed. It is like suddenly feeding your entire neighborhood and expecting your food bill to go down.

Bob Beckle –  1  Eric Bolling –  0

Come on!! In a health care system that is based on profits, did you ever expect them to go down??

hey moron why you mad poor ppl are getting health care now?

He needs to compete against the Supreme Court’s ‘Citizens United’ ruling!!

HAHA, good one, NOT!

Take an English class and get back to me.

We need a health care system that has the goal of making people healthy, not making profits.

Health care providers, insurance companies, and lifestyles all need to change. Until then it’s all a game.

We need a culture of health–not this cult of money and priviledge.

Dems just do it to get a little spending money”

They have already gone through 4 trillion in 2.75 years.

That is quite enough, you dunce!

HC rates just went up 95!

Now, Mr. Moron, how are poor people paying for that?

Huh?

Yes, you remind me of Bob- you wear the same Obama drool cup.

Try again!

Poor Boobie got it wrong about the # of federal employees Barry added!

hahaha

Then tell Michelle Obama to lose some weight off her big arse!

Bob Beckel always has the same disgusted/bored look on his face on this show. It must be hellish to be on a panel with these right wing douchebags every day.

1999-2009 health insurance rates increased 131% while inflation increased 28%
Anybody who works for a private employer can attest to these increases.
Beckel is right on this one.

If they don’t make a profit, how do they pay their employees? 

I thought you libs hated fat people like Bob?

Boy, these Lib Media Hacks are pretty much in lock-step…their beloved man-child OBAMO is such a victim.

I’m glad Beckel has his head in his hands; it’s proof things are going horribly for ‘His Side.’ Years of Bush-bashing come back to bite Leftist Media Hacks who curiously cannot take anywhere NEAR what they dished out. It’s why we call ‘em Limp Wrists.

You call that a face.

OMG, is that what you call what you have?

LOL

Bob’s so fat, he has the only car in town with stretch marks

Tim,

With comments and analysis like this, you are going to end up setting on the bench and become a 3rd string player.

Oh wait, you are already a 3rd string player who sets on the bench.

Now the left is attacking Prostitutes.  How low can they go!

As more people loose their insurance due to higher costs to employers or the increasing number of unemployed, insurance companies will raise rates to maintain their profit margin.  Except they’re not just maintaining their margin, they’re increasing their profits exponentially.  Due to the avarice of these corporations, we will finally see a single payer system in this country and then everyone will have health-care as it should be.  default2577 {“method”:”validate”,”params”:[],”id”:1,”jsonrpc”:”2.0″}

Beckel is just an ignorant person. He lowers the show value.

It is a well known phenomenon that Conservatives/Republicans/Tea-Baggers will often hold positions that are directly against their own self interest.

So many poor Republicans in this country yell bloody murder if it is suggested that taxes on millionaires should be increased. What these clowns do not understand that increasing taxes on millionaires will not hurt but help them. Extra money will help schools, cops, roads, other public services – things that poor people use.

Fox News just confuses these dimwits even more by peddling lies and forwarding the causes of big corporations.

Yes, the insurance companies big, massive 3.3% margins explain why the insurance industry is rated 86th  in terms of profit margins.

Do you tell these lies to everyone?
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2009/08/health-insurance-industry-ranks-86-by.html

Wow- nothing like the wisdom from a fool.

Obama’s deficit is running at $4 billion a day. Letting the tax rates for the”rich” expire will lead to an additinal $60/billion a YEAR!

That’s 15 days of the Obama deficit.

Yeah, that will certainly solve the bedt and deficit problems.

Bob said so many things to embarrass himself and Fox today. I hope he settles down. I hate to lose him.

Like Bob too, but would like to see Kirsten Powers on the panel also.

Healthcare premiums have been going up about 13% a year for the past 10 yearsIn the 90′s they went up 11-12% a year well ahead of the inflation rate.

Healthcare premiums have been going up about 13% a year for the past 10 yearsIn the 90′s they went up 11-12% a year well ahead of the inflation rate.

This show is a joke. Fox should move Freedom Watch from Fox Business and put that in the place of the 5. At least Judge Nap knows what he’s talking about.

Another moron that has no clue how profit margins work and how they could be manipulated. I take it you never owned a business or held a high paying job.

Pretty much everyone on the show is an ignorant person. Beckel fits right in.

Haha, truth hurts doesn’t it? You sound like a low-iq Tea Bagger who watches a lot of Fox News. Let me try and talk some sense to you.

Since you whined about deficits, understand this as Fox News will not tell you this – The Bush-era tax cuts went mostly to the millionaires (you are not a millionaire, you are a lowly Tea-Bagger). These top-heavy tax cuts added $2.6 trillion to the deficit over 2001-10. Deficit was also made worse by unfunded, unnecessary wars. All this caused the economy to tank.

It is time to end these bad-for-economy tax cuts. Increase the taxes a little bit on the ultra-rich. Whining of low-iq Tea Baggers notwithstanding.

This is the issue with the discourse in American politics. Why must you be so snarky to a perfectly reasonable concern?

MIchelle, are you that stupid?

Salaries are expenses.  Profits are ABOVE expenses.

Do you and Michelle *not* see the irony here?!

Do you and Michelle *not* see the irony here?!

She’s too intelligent to be on this show.

“OMG, is that what you call what you have?”

Are we supposed to understand WTF that is supposed to mean, I don’t speak teabagger.

Only teenage girls use “OMG”.

Little girl.

No we hate fat people like Michelle in Utah. Lose some weight.

No we hate fat people like Michelle in Utah. Lose some weight.

You do realize that the insurance industry is in their sites for demolition don’t you? Is that what you are advocating as well?
If the the private sector insurance companies are doing so poorly, what do you think will happen when each one of those private sector insurance employees is replaced by two bureaucrats. Stop and give that some serious consideration. Perhaps then you will understand what we are really facing here.

It’s like anything else, if you think the cost is high now, wait until the government takes over. This concept has been proven time and again, yet too many can’t see the application as it relates to healthcare. A better way to put it is, if you think the price of healthcare is high now, wait until it comes at the cost of the life of a family member.

Thanks, but no thanks to your bloated bungling bureaucratic style healthcare. Adding bureaucrats and reducing the quantity of healthcare professional is a formula for disaster.

I feel sorry for Beckel. He made a complete fool of himself today. He just doesn’t have what it takes to be on a top rated show.

Let me rephrase.  What motive would someone have to start or run a company if there were no profit?  You liberals do not think these through to the end result.  Y

America’s for profit insurance companies require 24-30% of their premiums to operate.  The Medicare system operates at 3% of revenues because there are no C.E.O.s, officers or share holders taking a cut.  Some insurance companies paid their C.E.Os and top executives more than they paid in taxes.  You’re right Glutton, Stoneypork3 needs to get himself a clue, he has no idea how big business cooks the books in this country.  3.3% margin my ass.  

Since 1999, health insurance premiums for families rose 131%, the report found, far more than the general rate of inflation, which increased 28% over the same period. Overall, health care in the United States is expected to cost $2.6 trillion this year, or 17% of the nation’s economy, according to the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office.At the same time costs have gone up dramatically, the policies have grown less generous, and more likely to add deductibles to be paid by the policy holder:The annual survey of more than 2,000 companies also found that 40% of small-business employees enrolled in individual health plans pay annual deductibles of $1,000 or more. That’s almost twice the number who paid that much in 2007. Isn’t this great progress:) The poor and middle class keep getting hammered, and healthcare keeps exploding. I wonder how many on this board have healthcare? The more premiums keep going up the less of any type of raise we will receive. National healthcare is the only way to go but oh well we can argue that for ever I suppose. In the meantime we can run around in circles and watch as the our cost of living continues to grow and our salaries continue to decline. Then we can continue paying ins companies more money to insure us. Of course we don’t want our taxes raised in any shape or form to help pay for the uninsured but will keep giving money over to the ins companies.

But just dumb enough to be on all the other FOX shows?

I think you should stick to being a ratings consultant for MSNBC.

Brothers and sisters!

Praise to all my mediaite brothers and sisters: Leedog, Michelle, Stonepark3, and 2012Freedom!

Blessings to all!

I am a very simple man with a very simple life–though these days it has become more complicated: DBs, LBs and safeties are way too fast, and my mechanics are shoddy! But Hear thee, brothers and sisters…did Moses fret, did Joseph fret, did Jesus fret when they faced their tribulations? Trust in the WORD, brothers and sisters, and the Good Lord will make it GOOD! I will conquer the Demons (Esiason, et al)

Let us now consider that blessed National Footbal League that our friends in the Republican party love so much. Verily I say unto you that we may learn a great deal about not only the GOP, but also about the larger economy that involves us all.

In terms of professional sports leagues, the NFL has worked diligently to protect its brand. When I speak of brand, I mean the total product that is the NFL; I don’t mean individual players or teams. The indivudal players and teams are intrinsic to its success, but the league has come to realize that WHOLE is much more important than the individual parts.

Consider professional baseball. Several years ago a friend of mine who is at once a rabid Republican and fanatical St. Louis Cardinal fan bemoaned his fate: “I hate the Yankees! They buy championships; they buy up all of the good players and the small market teams like mine can’t win!”

“What?” Quoth I. “You are upset that a rich team uses its wealth to hoard power over the small-market teams? You, that same Republican who reviles government intervention in the economy, prefering to allow the market’s ‘invisible hand’ to work its magic? You who condemns the ‘bleeding heart’?!”

And it’s true: until recently baseball allowed the large market teams to dominate the small teams who struggled to compete. The Yankees didn’t win every year, but 26 championships is impressive. Baseball is not as healthy because of this disparity, this inequality–though it has improved recently.

The NFL has followed a different path. They realized that sharing TV revenue and a salary cap would allow all teams to be competitive and make the brand (the entire NFL phenomenon) very powerful. There are still powerful franchises, but the small market-teams have opportunties to win if they are smart–being “poor” and small don’t preclude success. The NFL knows that having one or two franchises win the Super Bowl every year is damaging to the brand–damaging to the LONG TERM success of the league.

And that is key: the NFL, despite some recent hiccups, has postioned itself for long-term success with this approach. They don’t cling to phony ideas like social darwinism (strong survive, weak die) or radical individualism; they maintain a strong administrative body with a powerful commisioner whose oversight is largely unquestioned, though not always without controversy. They don’t call it “big government” or the “nanny state.” These are big and tough football players, right? And they do it with a vibrant, highly compensated union. Can you believe that?!?

Can you believe this? The NFL has structured itself to protect the weak from the strong–knowing the danger of this kind of poverty. The “poorest” or least successful teams of the previous year select before the most successful teams. The league goes out of its way to ensure competition.

Are you really telling me that America couldn’t develop a similar health care system?

We simply need to recognize that the whole is more important than the individual. If a bunch of thick necked, muscle bound kooks clinging to their Bibles can do it, so can we. We can do anything–if we really want to.

BLESSINGS TO ALL!!!!

As a conservative, I’m not a big fan of this show.  Most of the 5 are boringly predictable.  Besides, I despise Dana “The Cuban Missile Crisis had something to do with missiles and Cuba” Perino.

can I shave your taint?

whoislloydc@gmail.com

Insurance companies has been gouging the public for the last 10 years. They will continue to gauge us until they are shut down!!  Thats why in most of the world it’s illegal to offer primary health insurance for its people.  

stonepark3 is way stupid to mention that poor people will get a partial credit so they can buy PRIVATE insurance

Stonepark3 won’t mention how this will get rid of medicaid.
:P

READ THE BILL DUMBASS. You have not.

so, can I shave you?

whoislloydc@gmail.com

this show is useless….
dana: the elitist conservative, andrea: the hot idiot, beckel: the hyberbolic liberal, gutfield: the comedian who tries to be funny and fails, bolling: the conspiratorial conservative (he could have been great like his former colleague, erin burnett ,respected on cnn)
the positions are soooo predictable…fox fails

so how about tomorrow for shaving your taint?

you remind me of someone who hides like a coward.

yet 2012freedom refuses to mention why he won’t back the antitrust exemption removal?

Why is it that 2012freedom that net profits are going way up, and premiums are going even moreso?

Yup. 2012freedom is dumb.

real normal conservatives 843

You = 0

how about all americans lose some weight.

that might mean health care premiums going DOWN for a change.

Yeah, i’m gonna have this 3 litres of pop and two baconators because i don’t want to be controlled!

…

deficit has nothing to do with this
othe than few like jeff immelt..obama has hardly any corporate backers like the conservative terrorists do

He is 80 years old and hasn’t had his no-no stick chooched in 60 of them.

Michelle won’t mention that record net profits and premium increases were going up before obamacare was announced

Michelle is sperm from an insurance industry whore

Yet i still want to shave her

Can I ?

whoislloydc@gmail.com

you are dumber than a sack of hammers but i’d like to shave you anyways

whoislloydc@gmai:disqus l.com

you are far too stupid to mention that insurance companies brought it on themselves

You are far too stupid to mention that you are defending their antitrust exmption. NO COMPETITION

Man. you’re really stupid.

are you the same kind of far right wing extremist that killed a bunch of people in norway?

people are asking questions. You’re ducking them

those 3.3% margins are after they give their execs multimilliondollar “bonuses”

you are a tool stonepark3 who hides like a coward

whoislloydc@gmail:disqus .com

those are cooked numbers by liberal media, that’s what the far right wing extremists on here would say

(note, far right wing extremists are different than normal, everyday conservatives or republicans

Normal republicans and even normal conservatives know that they’re being ripped off in health insurance.  and they were being ripped of before obamacare was announced

Are you a purple-shirted union HACK who is racist and sexist? You haven’t addressed that question yet. I firmly believe you are.

I’d like to see Margaret Hoover.  Her book “American Individualism: How a New Generation of Conservatives Can Save the Republican Party” should be read by everyone in the GOP leadership.

 Well they are from Time magazine.  And im not blaming Obama care for those numbers those are pre Obama care.  I agree normal conservatives should understand that the insurance companies aren’t their friends and  if given the chance they will continue to raise rates. Hell I wouldn’t even have much of a problem with that if wages increased at a similar or larger rate. Rates exploded under Bush and the republican congress and they didn’t do dick about it. Now their solutions are useless and a joke but they will continue to espouse them till we are all in debt to ins companies.

Apparently you skipped over this, most obvious, point. I’ll repeat it, even though it goes without saying to those with average observational powers.

It’s like anything else, if you think the cost is high now, wait until
the government takes over. This concept has been proven time and again,
yet too many can’t see the application as it relates to healthcare. A
better way to put it is, if you think the price of healthcare is high
now, wait until it comes at the cost of the life of a family member.

Government involvement through the anti-trust exemptions is at the root it. Government intervention is part of what screwed things up.
I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you may be too young and inexperienced to have learned this. It may help to study up on the history of Medicare and the correlation between it and rising healthcare costs.

Like Hoover too, great voice for younger Repubs. Just think there should be a day or two a week with two liberal viewpoints. The repubs and libertairains against 1 lib everyday will get old. Let the libs/progs out # the others once and awhile and ratings would beat Becks #’s. 

Media whores? Prostitution Row? Works for me.

There’s no doubt that the insurance companies rob us blind and deliver no value, and that no one from the President, to the Congress, to the media has the balls or the inclination to call them on it.

Nationalize the bastards!

NonElite,

Are you similarly appalled that your “miltary care” and your “fire-fighting care” are controlled by these same devious government bureaucrats who mean to destroy your blessed private insurance industry?

Our institutions can be structured however we wish. Your recieve “free fire care”–and you have probably never questioned it before.

Soon, Eric Cantor will target government provided, “free fire care” and you will join him to confront this Stalinist, Leninist menace.

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Michelle, darling…

Permit me to comment despite my lack of education.

Private or Public, all health insurance is ‘social’ to some degree or another. We make use of each other for our well being. It is all inherently social–public or private.

Consider:

The nice thing about private insurance is this lovely word “premium”–it’s way better than “tax.”

But still… Right now I am giving money to a private, for-profit company for some future health care I may need. That private entity is taking my money and giving it to someone who needs health care. When I am sick, the company will take other people’s money and give it to me.

In a public option, I will pay a tax that will be used for those who are sick. When I am sick, tax money will go to me for care. Do you see a great difference here?

Government waste compares favorably with private sector greed: do you remember that one insurance CEO who made $23 million in a year?

non union construction worker. :P 

you’re still ducking mine. I guess GRBSPR miht very well be a terrorist ;)

Well “military care” is one thing I definitely have experience with.
The bureaucracy screwed me but good. I was refused benefits. They acted as though I didn’t even exist despite all the paperwork along with my DD214. I’m glad I wasn’t dying at the time. I would never have made it.
By the time I was set up with people to help, I had gotten better and it just wasn’t worth the damage to my nervous system to fight any further.
However, please do go on about how wonderful government bureaucracies are.

>> Hoof Hearted: “As more people loose their insurance due to higher costs to employers or the increasing number of unemployed, insurance companies will raise rates to maintain their profit margin. Except they’re not just maintaining their margin, they’re increasing their profits exponentially.”

>> StonyPark3: “Yes, the insurance companies big, massive 3.3% margins explain why the insurance industry is rated 86th in terms of profit margins. Do you tell these lies to everyone?”

Gee, funny how their profit margins are (supposedly) so thin, yet these same pitifully poor, cash-strapped companies can THEN afford to pay their execs MILLIONS in salaries and hand out multimillion dollar BONUSES TOO. Not to mention for being such pitifully poor, cash-strapped companies, they can ALSO pay out pure PROFIT dividends to their stock shareholders.

Why people like StonyPark are so anxious to defend these guys, I don’t know. But one of the absolute BEST moments that demonstrated just how full of CRAP modern American Insurance companies are occurred on the Neil Cavuto show. Long story short, several tornadoes had touched down in Florida destroying a large number of properties. And the damage was naturally heart-breaking given that some people not only lost their homes, but loved ones as well.

A day or so later, Cavuto had the CEO of an Insurance Company on his show because (1) while the company stated it would honor any “legally valid” claims that Florida residents filed, the company was actually making the news because it was ALSO announcing that very day that (2) effective immediately, they would be DROPPING tornado damage, as well as a whole crap load of other things, from their coverage policies.

When Neil asked the CEO why the insurance company was doing this, the CEO answered in a truly dick-like way: “Well, look at all this damage. Think of the money it’s gonna cost us, that we’re gonna have to pay out. This has destroyed our third quarter profits. And as a business, our FIRST PRIORITY should always be to maximize profits, to give to our shareholders.”

At which point — and I have to give him credit for being ballsy enough to stay this right to the CEO’s face — Cavuto replied: “Gee, that’s funny. I would have thought that as an INSURANCE company your FIRST priority would be to your POLICY HOLDERS. You know, those people who PAY their monthly premiums and who GIVE YOU their hard earned money because they have this silly idea in their heads that you’ll actually be there in return when something like this happens.”

First off, the CBO said repealing it wouldn’t make much of a difference either way. Secondly, the House voted overwhelmingly (both parties) to repeal it. The Democrats killed it in the Senate version of the healthscare bill because Ben Nelson (whom they needed to buy off for his vote) was against it. Blame the Democrats; this was solely their party and they were 100% in control.

Right again:

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/05/corporate-sponsors-get-the-par.html

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15926.html

You don’t want to understand, because you don’t want
to belief that the insurance, medical, and the pharmaceuticals companies are
the problem with our entitlement cost. There no way they can justify their executive
salaries and their profits since the year 2000, while everyone is pointing
fingers at someone else for the entitlement cost that we are paying for, Bob
Beckel is right and until the rest of you see it, these companies will keep laughing
at you all the way to the bank.