I wonder how long it will take for the rest of the FOX/GOP/Tea Party gang to follow this new line of attack?

And will they then give credit for the “murder” to Bush as well?

Is it Osama or Usama? It’s trivial but I have to know! I mean a Mouse is not a Moose!

Ninure Saunders said:
I wonder how long it will take for the rest of the FOX/GOP/Tea Party gang to follow this new line of attack? And will they then give credit for the “murder” to Bush as well?

That’s funny… since Napolitano speaks for himself, as Libertarian, and often disagrees with others on FOX, the GOP, and the Tea Party. But hey, when you’ve got to make broad generalizations about your political opponents, so you can keep yourself (and encourage others) in a perpetual state of outrage, you do what you’ve got to do. Logic and reality don’t matter as much.

Anyway, I’d like to hear from the “Illegal War” people. The people who constantly said that Bush and Cheney were/are war criminals, and Iraq was “illegal.” Do they agree with this action? Do they think Obama committed war crimes?

Personally, it doesn’t bother me one iota… but I’m still interested in their ever-changing opinion.

Does the Fox news employees hate Obama so much they would side with terrorists?

Incredible.

danger_mouse said:
Is it Osama or Usama? It’s trivial but I have to know! I mean a Mouse is not a Moose!

According to the FBI… it’s Usama.

Ninure Saunders said:
follow this new line of attack?

you mean the Liberal / Democrat 2008 campaign?

Ninure Saunders said:
I wonder how long it will take for the rest of the FOX/GOP/Tea Party gang to follow this new line of attack? And will they then give credit for the “murder” to Bush as well?

It will go as far as this note…so you can quit your liberal hand wringing….

Hey, this was a good call by the President. It was great execution by the Seal Team and Excellent intel planning by the CIA.

Ninure, you do not need to worry about Conservatives…you need to worry about the “Left Wing” of your party. They do not have a long (as a matter of fact NO) history of supporting operations such as these.
Quite frankly, I am a bit surprised that any of you lefties support this operation…it just goes against your DNA.

So, from a Conservative to the President….Good Call!

The crazy liberals can’t keep calling Bush and Cheney and Rumsfeld war criminals without including Obama now .

So just stop the baloney .

Sorry to use such a strong word .

It can not be illegal to kill the leader of an enemy that you are at war with and it matters not whether he was armed or not. The only people who have anything to say are the Pakistanis, and they seem to be more embarrassed about Usama living there than objecting to the U.S. action on their soil.

Ninure and Possibly, you are morons. End of story.

Now, having gotten that out of the way, I’m of the opinion that to get some people, you bend the rules and do what you have to do. Bin Laden is one of those people.

Val, saying Pakistan was embarrassed to have him living there, implies they didn’t know. Yeah right!! I think they knew right where he was and are mad the we didn’t let them in on the secret so they could warn him.

danger_mouse said:
Is it Osama or Usama? It’s trivial but I have to know! I mean a Mouse is not a Moose!

HAHAHA..I guess the CIA now uses Usama….Hmmmmm

This headline and others like it that will be written in the next several days is what is going to turn the American lefties against BHO.

Al Arabiya News headline, 5/4/11.
“Bin Laden’s daughter confirms her father shot dead by US Special Forces in Pakistan”
http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/05/04/147782.html

Kind of ironic, the only people left to support BHO on his decision to place a “Hit” of UBL will be the conservatives in America.

Of course he was illegally murdered! And why not? Napolitano is a lawyer, so it’s understandable that he’d point out the illegality. But since when does legality count when dealing with murdering terrorists, who don’t have a clue about the ROE, let alone common civilized behavior? It’s always been a WAR on terror ever since 9-11, and the US, at least when Bush was Prez, understood that, and conducted operations to take out lawless, murdering terrorists. This is a victory for Bush, not the current delinquent in chief.

Then again, it’s Obama as the prez breaking the law, so it’s all good. Right? Directed towards the Obama ass kissers. If this had been Bush taking out bin Ladin, there are so many violations that would have been immediately cited by the lib media, I’ve lost count. But no, Obama is the mastermind, he took out bin Laden, so legality suddenly doesn’t matter now.

I’m glad the murdering terrorist idiot is dead. It’s exactly what Bush wanted to do, but he was constantly criticized and villified by the very likes of Obama for the tactics he approved of—the very tactics that have led to bin Ladin’s demise.

Obama is an amatuer being held up by professionals. He’s a joke. I mean, how in the world does this guy get away with all his criticism of Bush’s policies, yet those policies have directly resulted in the elimination of the world’s foremost terrorist??? Obama’s AG wants guys like bin Ladin tried in court! So what the hell are we doing murdering a terrorist in his private home???

It’s now the 5th..So hopefully MOST of the idiots here have spent their(our) checks on Colt 45 and are now broke again. So they don’t have bus money to get to the library and get on line and post. Now we have to just put up with the ‘normal’ idiots here in their cubicle, that are getting paid 25 cents an hr. and all the diapers they need. ellie?

danger_mouse said:
Is it Osama or Usama? It’s trivial but I have to know! I mean a Mouse is not a Moose!

Depends on the speaker. In Arabic its ‘U’ , but when they (Arabs) spell their names in western form (English/French), they tend to use ‘O’. So you see varient spellings of Muhammed vs Mohammed etc

So…what were they supposed to do, swerve him with a subpeona to appear?

Following this line of reasoning (and I use that word very loosely) a crime would have been committed no matter which route was taken. If they’d snatched him up and took him away into US custody it would have been a clear case of kidnapping.

And those guards who were killed? More murders.

Get over it. He needed killing and he got it. And no amount of legal wrangling or moralistic whining will change the fact that this creature is directly and smugly responsible for tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of deaths worldwide at the hands of his “jihadists”.

As we speak he’s where he belongs – feeding the crabs,

Tough.

In ISLUM the spelling is USAMA, In the English speaking World it is spelled Osama, Isn’t it odd that of all the News Networks only FOX and Al Jazzara spell it Usama!!!! This clown Napolitano is clearly saying the most ridiculous things as he is auditioning for the Glen Beck spot on the Fox Network…..Pathetic!!!

Hard to believe , but Queen Nancy may be partisan .

“Here’s Nancy Pelosi from a press conference on September 7, 2006:

[E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done . . . is done. And even to capture him now I don’t think makes us any safer.

And here’s Nancy Pelosi yesterday:

The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. . . . I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. . . . [T]he death of Osama bin Laden is historic. . . .”

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/05/03/intellectual-dishonesty-of-nancy-pelosi/

BTW..MEDIAite..I’m glad to see Chuck Reid down 14……
Who???? lmao

Ninure Saunders said:
I wonder how long it will take for the rest of the FOX/GOP/Tea Party gang to follow this new line of attack?

And will they then give credit for the “murder” to Bush as well?

This is typical Napolitano. He’s a strict interpreter of the Constitution & the rule of law. He’s not an ideologue. You should read what he has to say about Abraham Lincoln. Of course, you’d know this if you mind was capable of anything other than Fox News, Tea Party bad.

By the way….

I note that the press who are by and large licking Obama’s boots over his courage in killing this monster, are much the same voices who were tsk-tsking in righteous anger over some SEALS slapping a captured terrorist leader in the mouth.

He made a complaint (after he killed four Americans, burned their bodies, and dragged them through the streets in Iraq) and the Obama Administration prosecuted.

And the press clapped their flippers like the trained seals (the aquatic mammal, not the warriors) that they are.

Dichotomy, anyone?

Clifford E.Elisary said:
In ISLUM the spelling is USAMA, In the English speaking World it is spelled Osama, Isn’t it odd that of all the News Networks only FOX and Al Jazzara spell it Usama!!!! This clown Napolitano is clearly saying the most ridiculous things as he is auditioning for the Glen Beck spot on the Fox Network…..Pathetic!!!

I count only four misspellings in Cliffie’s brilliant analysis (rant) .
Your John Deere cap needs loosening , old bean .

This was no murder. I seem to recall a war on terror after this guy’s minions crashed a couple of planes into the WTC. Obama just popped a cap in that fool, and pitched his dead ass in the ocean. All’s fair in love and war. The ‘judge’ needs to go back to court.

This was not murder, this was war, period. Now, conducting an act of war without authorization on the sovereign soil of another nation breaks quite a few precepts of international law. Yup. Whatcha gonna do about it?

We’ve done the planet a big favor. Yay, America!

david r said:
Obama just popped a cap in that fool, and pitched his dead ass in the ocean.

Hmmm… and I though he was playing golf.

Judge, for some reason I just can’t give a damn.

The Lantern of Truth said:
I count only four misspellings in Cliffie’s brilliant analysis (rant) .
Your John Deere cap needs loosening , old bean .

Why respond? She’s probably already changed her name here.

possibly said:
Does the Fox news employees hate Obama so much they would side with terrorists?

Nope. That’s solely the behavior of Democrats…………………to stand with America’s enemies ever since Vietnam. Remember YOUR dark siders condemning Bush for toppling Saddam? Don’t forget commandment #9 of the 10 Commandments in the Democrat Playbook:

9. Always side with America’s enemies against her. Remember, you are both on the same side against American liberty manifested in capitalism. Find a way to present America’s enemies as “victims.” And remember to always describe treason as “patriotism.”

Harry Flashman said:
So…what were they supposed to do, swerve him with a subpeona to appear?

Well, that IS the Democrat mentality. They campaigned to give terrorists the same Constitutional rights as US citizens……………..remember?

Not to change subject…but…did anyone here see/read anything about the gun runner with Holder/Issa yesterday?

Davo said:
9. Always side with America’s enemies against her. Remember, you are both on the same side against American liberty manifested in capitalism. Find a way to present America’s enemies as “victims.” And remember to always describe treason as “patriotism.”

Yup. See Pelosi.

Paul G said:
Not to change subject…but…did anyone here see/read anything about the gun runner with Holder/Issa yesterday?

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/04/holder-grilled-on-project-gunrunner/

ImNotBlue said:
According to the FBI… it’s Usama.

We’ll go with the FBI then. Now while it may have being legally ‘smudgible’ to have the man killed, I can’t think of anyone else more deserving. Can a country claim ‘justifiable homicide’ or ‘international self-defense’?

Besides haven’t government sponsored assassinations being going on since the beginning of governments? It happens, and this is one guy I’d have being happy to pull the trigger on, and go to church to give thanks for keeping my trigger finger steady.

skoorbekim said:
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/04/holder-grilled-on-project-gunrunner/

EXACTLY! That’s the ONLY place I saw it. CBSNBCABC?…blabla…..

The Judge has been consistent in such criticism, no matter the political party involved.

I respect him. I respect libertarians.

He’s wrong though.

Let’s just put this into perspective… Imagine for one moment that we catch Bin Laden, but we don’t kill him. What should our next step be? Have him stand trial in an American military court or even better a civilian court? He is found guilty and sentenced to death. He would sit in a jail cell, sure to be solitary confinement for his own personal safety; while the American taxpayer is paying to keep him alive until he is executed? Be that as it may, America will more than likely face the repercussions of Bin Laden dead or alive!

1 terrorist down, 20,000 to go! Glad he’s gone and I hope he’s enjoying his 70 virgins.

“Now Napolitano appears to be covering all of his bases with Obama detractors telling Fox Radio host Tom Sullivan that the U.S. Military’s killing of bin Laden was an illegal murder.”

Colby, you do know that Napolitano has called for the indictment of both Pres Bush and VP Cheney, don’t you?

This isn’t just another Mediaite FOX hates our precious Pres Obama piece, is it?

http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2010/07/14/ralph-nader-interviews-judge-napolitano-bush-and-cheney-should-have-been-indicted-for-torturing/

In their sympathy for Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden – is there any doubt remaining that the extreme right represented by Fox News is the enemy and that they adhere to the adage, the Islamic adage, that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend?”

Paul G said:
EXACTLY! That’s the ONLY place I saw it. CBSNBCABC?…blabla…..

another reason why the New Media is supplanting the Old Established Main Stream Media… Thankfully…

Obamo famously scratched his face with his middle finger; a thinly-veiled ‘FU’ to people he didn’t ‘like.’

Today, the stock market is scratching its middle finger right back at the Limp Wristed One.

I love it!!!

Bill Adkins said:
In their sympathy for Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden – is there any doubt remaining that the extreme right represented by Fox News is the enemy and that they adhere to the adage, the Islamic adage, that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend?”

Sounds like somebody read “American Taliban”

who called NS Team 6 a Cheney assassination ring?
who was against waterboarding?
who wanted GITMO closed?

no, no, no… blame Fox News…

If Obama’s poll bounce evaporates by end of next week… hello GOP President in 2012…

news trickling out that WH knew about Osama compound in 2010?!

Bill Adkins said:
is there any doubt remaining that the extreme right represented by Fox News is the enemy and that they adhere to the adage, the Islamic adage, that “the enemy of my enemy is my friend?”

See what happens Kids,when you smoke Dope and Drink a lot?

Your mind cannot reason – You just make things up in your mind, then you beging to believe them.

Seriously Bill…give these people a call, they can help – http://www.treatment-centers.net/directory/kentucky/williamstown.html

Pablo said:
This was not murder, this was war, period. Now, conducting an act of war without authorization on the sovereign soil of another nation breaks quite a few precepts of international law. Yup. Whatcha gonna do about it?

We’ve done the planet a big favor. Yay, America!

Yep…But the libtards don’t know what to do now. In their convoluted logic, they WANT/have to cheer Obama, but on the other hand, they HAVE to thank Bush. They don’t know what to do. It’s been fun reading the comments here.

It is starting….the lefties just cannot help themselves…..

Senate official: Wrong to link bin Laden, Geronimo

By MATTHEW DALY, Associated Press Matthew Daly, Associated Press – Tue May 3, 11:17 pm ET

WASHINGTON – The top staffer for the Senate Indian Affairs Committee is objecting to the U.S. military’s use of the code name “Geronimo” for Osama bin Laden during the raid that killed the al-Qaida leader.

Geronimo was an Apache leader in the 19th century who spent many years fighting the Mexican and U.S. armies until his surrender in 1886.

and on and on……………..

By the way, Geronimo is burried at Ft Sill, Lawton, OK. I have visited it…or close to it…the site is or was fenced off at quite a distance.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Val, saying Pakistan was embarrassed to have him living there, implies they didn’t know. Yeah right!! I think they knew right where he was and are mad the we didn’t let them in on the secret so they could warn him.

We have always known that many of the Pakistani military leaders are symphathetic to the bad guys, and likely some knew Usama was living there, but most Pakistanis do not like terrorists, did not know he was there, and were probably happy to see him die.

ChrisNH said:
Obamo famously scratched his face with his middle finger; a thinly-veiled ‘FU’ to people he didn’t ‘like.’ Today, the stock market is scratching its middle finger right back at the Limp Wristed One. I love it!!!

Yep, we know.

The clip brings up some interesting points and not necessarily the one I suspected from the headline. I’m sure historians and legal experts will look at every side of this question, but like some of the decisions made by previous administrations, their analysis and the discussion will inform the future, but it’s not really going to have a bearing on the here and now.

Otherwise, I’m not seeing a link in the OP, so here’s a link to what appears to be the “Der Spiegel” piece that Mr. Sullivan frequently mentions and if you click the magazine’s “Osama bin Laden” tag, you’ll find several articles written from a German and European perspective.

Note: If it weren’t for this clip and post, I probably wouldn’t have seen the articles linked.

GhostFace BinLadenKilla said:
Obama dropped Osama… 2012!!!

Yes, Obama is the greatest assassin the world has ever known. Now, if only he could do math…

Magister said:
The clip brings up some interesting points and not necessarily the one I suspected from the headline. I’m sure historians and legal experts will look at every side of this question, but like some of the decisions made by previous administrations, their analysis and the discussion will inform the future, but it’s not really going to have a bearing on the here and now.

Otherwise, I’m not seeing a link in the OP, so here’s a link to what appears to be the “Der Spiegel” piece that Mr. Sullivan frequently mentions and if you click the magazine’s “Osama bin Laden” tag, you’ll find several articles written from a German and European perspective.

Note: If it weren’t for this clip and post, I probably wouldn’t have seen the articles linked.

Umm…it’s now Usama. LMFAO! btw..Does anyone know yet how to spell the name of the leader in Libya? Kaddafi? Quadafi? Obama? Osama? Sotero? Hussein?

Yup!

Story after story confirms!!!

RIGHTIES ARE NOW WILLING TO ADMIT THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY PU$$IES!!!!

grafxmail7 said:
Yup!

Story after story confirms!!!

RIGHTIES ARE NOW WILLING TO ADMIT THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY PU$$IES!!!!

That useless post didn’t get any response on the Beck thread, so you thought it would be heralded as a masterpiece here? Aren’t you late for arithmetic class?

grafxmail7 said:

“RIGHTIES ARE NOW WILLING TO ADMIT THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY PU$$IES!!!!”

I have no need to prove anything to anyone, but let me say this:

I sat with my latest grandchild on my lap yesterday, a beautiful child of 9 months. Get this and hear it well…I would kill bin Laden and every son of a bitch like him, the entire city if I had to, to protect that child and the rest of my children and grandchildren and my family and friends from him without hesitation or remorse.

Would you? Would all the suddenly blood thirsty Obama worshipping lefties? I don’t think so.

But there is just enough of the barbarian left in me that I would – and I’d sleep well afterward.

Watch who you call a pussy. I’ve pulled the trigger in battle. Have you, or have you been too busy with your “grafx” to serve?

Harry Flashman said:
Watch who you call a pussy. I’ve pulled the trigger in battle. Have you, or have you been too busy with your “grafx” to serve?

Been there, Done that: Combat Engineer US ARMY……

If you’re a RIGHTY and you’re NOT going to stand behind the Commander in Chief 100% in this OBL take down, then yes…..YOU’RE A PUSSY!!!!!

The RIGHT NUT BAGS HAVE always embraced terrorism .. They promote it daily through FAKE NEWS. Hate and terrorism keep their little minions in line. They hid behind the flag after 911 screaming KILL BIN LADEN … now it’s illegal? HAHA … What morons. They are Unpatriotic and Unamerican and always have been.

Right on Graf .. what soldier doesn’t stand behind his commander in chief unless he’s an old racist dirt bag?

It was OBAMA who nailed this guy .. Obama takes the win! Not that wimp-ass Hitler/Bush who said he wasn’t concerned about Bin Laden 6 months after 911.

W said “dead or alive”. Judge hates him too I assume.

It was an assassination and I don’t think by definition that they are legal.

grafxmail:

“If you’re a RIGHTY and you’re NOT going to stand behind the Commander in Chief 100% in this OBL take down, then yes…..YOU’RE A PUSSY!!!!!”

Check my comments. I said that Obama, as much as I despise him, deserves credit where credit is due on this one. It was a gutsy political choice that could have blown up in his face. He gets points here.

Save your shrieking histrionics for thiose who deserve them.

By the way, as much as it pains me to say this, Eric Holder just said that killing that vermin was an act of national defense….and I agree with his take on it. All those out there who are calling this an act of assassination need to take a deep breath and relax. He’s right…if that wasn’t an act of national defense then isn’t any such thing.

There. In the short span of just a couple of days I’ve a agreed with Obama AND Holder. Why? because they’re both right on this issue.

grafxmail7 said:
Been there, Done that: Combat Engineer US ARMY……

For which country?

grafxmail7 said:
to stand behind the Commander in Chief 100% in this OBL take down,

who? Leon Panetta?

So it was ok when Bush went after Bin Laden and failed, but when Obama finished the job, it was wrong, against the law and no big deal! Ok.

First Fox News carries water for radiation, now Osama bin Laden…this is just becoming a Daily Show skit.

timcajun said:
So it was ok when Bush went after Bin Laden and failed, but when Obama finished the job, it was wrong, against the law and no big deal! Ok.

Judge Napolotano is a Libertarian…
Libertarians are not Conservatives…

Napolotano could not judge a pie eating contest. I mean, the man is an idiot. HE should take his Eddie Munster hair and go shine the shoes of a REal judge – like that Judge Joe guy on TV. Or Judge Judy. Or even Judge Reinhold for Christ’s sake!

skoorbekim says:
Judge Napolotano is a Libertarian…
Libertarians are not Conservatives…
……………….
He’s nothing more than a “tea” hate, but why would that matter, facts still stand!

BatBoy said:
For which country?

US stands for United States. That you’re not familiar with it speaks volumes. Are you AQ or Tealiban?

Technically Osama was assasinated by our military which is against our present laws. However he was the founder, commander and advisor of a terrorist organization that murdered many innocent people including his own. Our laws are outdated and there is a gray area as far as terrorist are concerned and the laws should have been updated during the Clinton administration when these attacks began. I congradulate Obama for risking his political career on a mission that was very dangerous with unknown consequences. Sometimes duress brings out the best in a person where others fail.

Nobodys_Stooge said:
Napolotano could not judge a pie eating contest. I mean, the man is an idiot. HE should take his Eddie Munster hair and go shine the shoes of a REal judge – like that Judge Joe guy on TV. Or Judge Judy. Or even Judge Reinhold for Christ’s sake!

So what are your creds, Stooge (or is it all in your name)? The Judge has been consistently against your government’s unconstitutional actions since 9/11. I remember him calling out the Patriot Act for the abusive piece of garbage it is while the FOX News bobble heads were denying that it would ever be abused.

Do you really believe that 10 years consisting of two wars, 1 million dead, 1.5 trillion dollars, and a shredded Constitution was worth killing one guy? Or does it only matter when your guy (regardless of what sh!t party he belongs to) is running the show.

Harry Flashman said:
Harry Flashman

Well, Harry, no one is stopping you from putting your costume back on and continuing your bloodthirsty quest to kill brown people around the worl. Just don’t do it in my name claiming you are defending my freedom, because you are not.

Would the Judge have this same conversation if Bush was president? He talks out both sides of his mouth. Eric holder just said to day this was legal. I would trust the Attorney General as relates to International law before I would believe the word on a one horse circuit judge.

Spike1 said:
Technically Osama was assasinated by our military which is against our present laws.

Is it? He’s not a head of state. And for practical purposes, he’s expanded the battlefield to everywhere, so this was a combat action. But then, that means we’ve committed an act of war inside a sovereign nation. A nuclear nation at that.

On matters of the law, one is wise to heed the interpretations offered by Judge Napolitano. The one thing I have seen during my several years of reviewing his work and listening to his commentary is consistency. The judge gives no quarter to anyone. Even those with differing political views have said as much–he is the pure pragmatist.

Truth said:
Would the Judge have this same conversation if Bush was president? He talks out both sides of his mouth. Eric holder just said to day this was legal. I would trust the Attorney General as relates to International law before I would believe the word on a one horse circuit judge.

Yes, Obomberbot tool, he would.

lberns said:
Yes, Obomberbot tool, he would.

your brainwashed.

Truth said:
your brainwashed.

Is that the best you got?

Truth said:
your brainwashed.

BTW – It’s “you’re brainwashed” not “your brainwashed”

Napolitano is a double-talking, forked-tongue glory-seeking hypocrite. EVERYBODY, left and right, agreed that bin Laden needed to be captured or killed, and now that he has been, this turncoat attempts to use “the law” to get political about it.

Now he’s a fan of the Constitution, but with Bush / Cheney he didn’t mind them breaking the law by water boarding illegally held prisoners.

NAPOLITANO: Claims Obama illegally killed bin Laden because there is no “war declared” on Pakistan, stating it’s a “Violation of international law – “an invasion”. REALLY? How about Afghanistan & Iraq? No formal war declared in either.

NAPOLITANO: When telling how he would have done it, states: “We would ask Pakistan to arrest him…”

RIGHT!!! Ignorant ass. Pakistan KNEW he was living there for 6 years. We’d ask them to arrest him, they’d tip him off, and he’d be gone.

NAPOLITANO: Need I REMIND YOU of the words of your hero, George W, right after the twin towers went down? Here’s a sampling:

RE: Afghanistan: “These demands are not open to discussion, Bush said. “They will hand over the terrorists or they will share in their fate.”

Bush: He said it would be a war unlike any in history. “It may include dramatic strikes, visible on television, and COVERT OPERATIONS, secret even in success.”
–http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,34637,00.html

BUSH: “Over time it’s going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity,” he said. “You’re either with us or against us in the fight against terror.” –November 6, 2001
– http://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/gen.attack.on.terror/
– http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-23kmhc3P8U

AXIS OF EVIL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DqHyIcsO8E&feature=related

FOXNEWS.COM HOME > POLITICS 09/21/01
Bush Addresses Congress, Nation; Introduces Office of Homeland Security

WASHINGTON — President Bush pledged to Americans Thursday to use “every resource at our command” to defeat global terrorism.

To government leaders around the world, Bush stated bluntly: “Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.”

======================================

From this sampling alone, it’s clear that George W. Bush himself would not consider what President Obama did as illegal, but rather as a necessary action of war, whether “declared” or not.

NAPOLITANO is showing hypocrisy here. And if we want to be honest, left or right, most of us more than likely would have done the same thing the President did if we were in the driver’s seat.

hgovernick said:
Now he’s a fan of the Constitution, but with Bush / Cheney he didn’t mind them breaking the law by water boarding illegally held prisoners..

That is an absolute lie. He has never supported the Bush/Cheny regime’s use of torture, and has been against the these illegal acts of aggression brought on by YOUR government from the beginning.

Goodness, it seems as if this country has become a place where most of the people can be fooled all of the time as proven by a majority of the comments on this story. Keep towing the party line while ship sinks, fools.

The judge has got it made! He’s wrong by law, but when called on it, he just says it was liberals or bias media and he’s safe! Nice ‘tea” bubble!

Truth said:
your brainwashed.

lberns said:
Is that the best you got?

It’s all that’s needed, but you’ll never know the meaning of it, since you’re the one who’s been suckered.

lberns said:
That is an absolute lie. He has never supported the Bush/Cheny regime’s use of torture, and has been against the these illegal acts of aggression brought on by YOUR government from the beginning.

Goodness, it seems as if this country has become a place where most of the people can be fooled all of the time as proven by a majority of the comments on this story. Keep towing the party line while ship sinks, fools.

Really? Give me some examples of where and when NAPOLITANO accused Bush / Cheney of breaking the law. Be specific. I want to see examples where NAPOLITANO is specifically stating “The interrogation of prisoners at Gitmo under the Bush administration is illegal.”

OR

“The imprisonment of hundreds of ‘illegal combatants’ at Gitmo year after year without being charged of anything and without access to legal representation under the Bush administration is illegal.”

User Truth is absolutely correct: You ARE brainwashed.

hgovernick said:
Really? Give me some examples of where and when NAPOLITANO accused Bush / Cheney of breaking the law. Be specific. I want to see examples where NAPOLITANO is specifically stating “The interrogation of prisoners at Gitmo under the Bush administration is illegal.”.

Well, how about this, you lazy turd:

http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/node/38320

Nader: What about the more serious violations of habeas corpus. You know after 9-11 Bush rounded up thousands of them, Americans, many of them Muslim Americans or Arabic Americans and they were thrown in jail without charges, they didn’t have lawyers, some of them were pretty mistreated in New York City. You know they were all released eventually.

Napolitano: Correct.

Nader: Is that what you mean also about throwing people in jail without charges violating habeas corpus?

Napolitano: Well that is so obviously a violation of the natural law, the natural right to be brought before a neutral arbiter within moments of the government taking your freedom away from you. And the Constitution itself, as the Supreme Court in the Boumediene case pretty much said, wherever the government goes, the Constitution goes with it and wherever the Constitution goes are the rights of the Constitution as a guarantee and habeas corpus cannot be suspended by the president ever. It can only be suspended by the Congress in times of rebellion which in read Milligan says meaning rebellion of such magnitude that judges can’t get into their court houses. That has not happened in American history.

So what President Bush did with the suspension of habeas corpus, with the whole concept of Guantanamo Bay, with the whole idea that he could avoid and evade federal laws, treaties, federal judges and the Constitution was blatantly unconstitutional and is some cases criminal.

Nader: What’s the sanction for President Bush and Vice President Cheney?

Napolitano: There’s been no sanction except what history will say about them.

Nader: What should be the sanctions?

Napolitano: They should have been indicted. They absolutely should have been indicted for torturing, for spying, for arresting without warrants. I’d like to say they should be indicted for lying but believe it or not, unless you’re under oath, lying is not a crime. At least not an indictable crime. It’s a moral crime.

Nader: So you think George W. Bush and Dick Cheney should even though they’ve left office, they haven’t escaped the criminal laws, they should be indicted and prosecuted?

Napolitano: The evidence in this book and in others, our colleague the great Vincent Bugliosi has amassed an incredible amount of evidence. The purpose of this book was not to amass that evidence but I do discuss it, is overwhelming when you compare it to the level of evidence required for a normal indictment that George W. Bush as President and Dick Cheney as Vice President participated in criminal conspiracies to violate the federal law and the guaranteed civil liberties of hundreds, maybe thousands of human beings.

There’s this really nifty tool called Google. All I had to do was put some simple terms in the Search box:

judge andrew napolitano bush illegal war torture gitmo

And it came back with this:

http://tinyurl.com/3sk99h4

Try it some time. You’d be amazed at the world it opens up to you.

I stand corrected and enlightened. You’ve changed my entire impression of Napolitano. I gave you thumbs up on your two posts – even the one in which you called me a lazy turd.

The premise of this article burned me. I don’t care which political party brought him down – but calling it murder after what bin Laden has done over the course of his career – to me means not just calling the President a murderer, but the entire Navy Seal team, and every one else who was part of the action. I still don’t think Napolitano is right legally, but even if he was he could have waited to burst everybody’s bubble – since nothing is going to be done about it anyway.

That’s what people used to call me when I got home from Vietnam – murderer, baby killer. I was just doing my duty, and at age 18, I was too stupid to know anything about the “right or wrong” of our involvement there. I have to side with the Seal Team.

hgovernick said:
Really? Give me some examples of where and when NAPOLITANO accused Bush / Cheney of breaking the law. Be specific. I want to see examples where NAPOLITANO is specifically stating “The interrogation of prisoners at Gitmo under the Bush administration is illegal.”

OR

“The imprisonment of hundreds of ‘illegal combatants’ at Gitmo year after year without being charged of anything and without access to legal representation under the Bush administration is illegal.”

User Truth is absolutely correct: You ARE brainwashed.

I believe Napolitano thinks the Bush regime should charged with war crimes. I understand you were playing the political hackery card, and usually that’s the correct one to play, but with someone as consistant and as much integrity as the Judge, it’s best to just focus on the argument at hand.

If you disagree with him, why?

This is certainly an emotional case and we got what we wanted – Osama, dead. But what the judge is warning us about is the road we’re on. The interventionists have long claimed Osama wanted to destroy our freedoms, well one of our biggest freedoms is the right to a fair trial. Another is the just war doctorine. We’ve violated numerous freedoms in order to persecute this war thus giving Osama and the terrorists a win off of their own claim of their goals.

That’s the real issue at hand, imo.

hgovernick said:
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Okay, but as far as waiting to burst everyone’s bubble – I disagree.

We need to stop living in la-la land as a society. I’ve said this many times on here; many see the world as they think IT SHOULD BE and not the WAY IT IS.

I think we need people like The Judge and Ron Paul to hit us up side the head with a truth stick, even if we’re bleeding. Especially when we’re on our emotional high, because that’s when we make the biggest mistakes typically. The emotional aftermath of 9-11 is a prime example of this.

But glad to see you were honest and admitted your mistake on Napolitano. Usually people say stuff like that about him and instead of admitting a mistake they just call me stupid.

hgovernick said:
I stand corrected and enlightened. You’ve changed my entire impression of Napolitano. I gave you thumbs up on your two posts – even the one in which you called me a lazy turd.

The premise of this article burned me. I don’t care which political party brought him down – but calling it murder after what bin Laden has done over the course of his career – to me means not just calling the President a murderer, but the entire Navy Seal team, and every one else who was part of the action. I still don’t think Napolitano is right legally, but even if he was he could have waited to burst everybody’s bubble – since nothing is going to be done about it anyway.

That’s what people used to call me when I got home from Vietnam – murderer, baby killer. I was just doing my duty, and at age 18, I was too stupid to know anything about the “right or wrong” of our involvement there. I have to side with the Seal Team.

Sorry I call you a turd. I get passionate about stuff and should know better. I don’t get on boards and talk BS. We have real problems in this country. We live in an absolute police state, and it’s our own fault. The Judge knows this and has consistently pointed it out for the last 10 years. There are very few people who can cross political ideology by sticking to principle (Glenn Greenwald at http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/ and William N. Grigg, http://freedominourtime.blogspot.com/ are two others I admire).

Truth:

Your relying on Eric Holder for legal objectivity? An Attorney General who filed suit against a state for trying to protect itself form the scourge of illegal alien criminals? The jerk that dropped the case against the Black Panthers? This is the clown your relying on to interpret the Constitution, or the War Powers Act?

hgovernick
The premise of this article burned me. I don’t care which political party brought him down – but calling it murder after what bin Laden has done over the course of his career – to me means not just calling the President a murderer, but the entire Navy Seal team, and every one else who was part of the action. I still don’t think Napolitano is right legally, but even if he was he could have waited to burst everybody’s bubble – since nothing is going to be done about it anyway..

It’s a very emotional issue, for sure. I have no love for that murderous POS. I remember the first I heard of him nearly twenty years ago and found myself hoping then that someone (mercenary, disgruntled subordinate) would shoot that SOB. Unfortunately, that didn’t happen, and here we are. bin Laden knew we, as an open society, would be the means to our own destruction. He just had to pull off a caper the magnitude of which would set his ultimate plan in motion, which we all collectively experienced on 9/11. Here is what he said just afterwards:

“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and a choking life.”

He was right. We need to get beyond cheerleading the illegal actions of this government and hold it, without mercy, absolutely accountable for it’s actions. Otherwise, our children, and grand children will be living in unbearable conditions devoid of any shred of freedom, and liberty

CAconservative said:
Truth: Your relying on Eric Holder for legal objectivity? An Attorney General who filed suit against a state for trying to protect itself form the scourge of illegal alien criminals? The jerk that dropped the case against the Black Panthers? This is the clown your relying on to interpret the Constitution, or the War Powers Act?

And what the Fox JudgeJudy done for me lately

From: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42861619/42857796

Arthur Caplan, Ph.D., Director of the Center for Bioethics at the University of Pennsylvania;

” . . . American values are jeopardized when we engage in torture against our enemies. Even in combat there is no place for torture. But, there is a place in just wars for killing, including those who lead organized combatants against us. Whether those heading organized efforts to wage war against us are military leaders, religious leaders or civilians, we are well within our rights to do whatever it takes to stop them. Killing Osama bin Laden is not unethical murder — it is the price organized terrorists who declare war against us must expect to pay.”

I support the Navy Seal team. As for the judge’s comments, I hope someone drops MIcheal Moore on him from a crane, thereby solving both of their legal questions regarding OBL’s death.

I believe it is called the WAR on terror, not the LAW ENFORCEMENT on terror. Killing an enemy commander in the field cannot be illegal in a war. I have suffered through watching this Napolitano guy a couple of times, and he appears to be just a typical uninformed Fox commentator hired to bash the Obama administration 24/7. Basically, he doesn’t know what he is talking about.

^^^^^^ Wow, who would of thought that a obomberdroid and a bushbot would ever be in agreement on anything. Stop the world!!

Skorbeans:
news trickling out that WH knew about Osama compound in 2010?!
Tedderman says: Wow, what did you score on the MENSA test you took? Maybe you should work for the F.B.I., what with your ability to deduce information like that and all. Obama stated that our intelligence services discovered the compound in Aug, of 2010 and that they’d been surveilling the location to ascertain if Bin Laden was there. I mean really, are you that crooked, or just that dumb?

And is this Judge a real Judge, or is he like, say, Colonel Sanders, just giving himself the title? Isn’t “murder always illegal?”

lberns said:
It’s a very emotional issue, for sure. I have no love for that murderous POS. I remember the first I heard of him nearly twenty years ago and found myself hoping then that someone (mercenary, disgruntled subordinate) would shoot that SOB. Unfortunately, that didn’t happen, and here we are. bin Laden knew we, as an open society, would be the means to our own destruction. He just had to pull off a caper the magnitude of which would set his ultimate plan in motion, which we all collectively experienced on 9/11. Here is what he said just afterwards:

“I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and a choking life.”

He was right. We need to get beyond cheerleading the illegal actions of this government and hold it, without mercy, absolutely accountable for it’s actions. Otherwise, our children, and grand children will be living in unbearable conditions devoid of any shred of freedom, and liberty

Yes. I’m aware of bin Laden’s perspective on America, and posted a transcript of a tape he made in 2004, when Bush was running again. If you haven’t seen it, here’s a link to one of my sites with his “message”:

http://www.citizensintelligenceagency.org/binladen_10-29-04.html

hgovernick said:
Yes. I’m aware of bin Laden’s perspective on America, and posted a transcript of a tape he made in 2004, when Bush was running again. If you haven’t seen it, here’s a link to one of my sites with his “message”:

http://www.citizensintelligenceagency.org/binladen_10-29-04.html

Fascinating. Thanks for the link. Now I fee like a real POS for the name calling.

” In the interests of authenticity, the content of the transcript, which appeared as subtitles at the foot of the screen, has been left unedited. Bin Ladin directed his message at the American people. ”

Unfortunately, the American people still are not listening. This government will raise the debt ceiling, and increase it’s imperial objectives. It really cannot last much longer. I think I’ll just make some popcorn, sit back, and watch the show. It’s not everyday one gets to witness the crumbling of an empire first hand.

Peace

I’m glad that the BASTARD’S dead! Pakistan owes the world a lot of money for permitting bin Laden to live in their country. I’m sure that they knew who they were harboring. We knew, so how can they say that they didn’t? The Pakistani Government needs to be held responsible for this outrageous criminal act! We need to cut off the money that we have been sending them immediately! We need to cut off all of the aid that we the taxpayers are sending to these countries, that are plotting against us. Now they are saying that we were illegal in our taking out of bin Laden! Why do we have to put up with this Bulls..t! We are the most powerful country on Earth. Why do we permit these little piss ant countries to dictate to us. Why don’t we just take them out! Why do we keep providing them with weapons that will eventually be used against us? Why do we continue to allow the big corporations to control our government? Our forefathers warned us that this would happen, and that’s why they gave us the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. It’s a shame that both of those documents are nothing more than a piece of paper now. Big business and the corrupted elected officials, are destroying our country that our fathers and grandfathers believed in enough to give their lives to protect our way of life. They would be so ashamed of us today! We The People need to take a stand! We need to end homelessness, unemployment, foreclosures and our corrupt government officials. We elected them, and we can remove them! Let’s try to bring back our constitutional rights! We are Americans, and we need to stop being afraid of the government and the big corporations. WAKE UP AMERICANS!

lberns said:
Is that the best you got?

You are a right wing fool who can’t stray from the party line (of the day)! Is that better?