Good reaction as any i suppose, not like anyone expects her to start doing fist pumps like Jordan

Actually , that was a Tweet from Anthony Weinergate she just got .

Yeah, asking if they were on for tonight!

same response she gave when she heard about Monica Lewisnksy … “unconfirmed. unconfirmed reports of Bill effing around on me. we’ve had many reports like that in the past.”

Qaddafy. Bin Laden. Al-Maliki. Ending the Bush wars.The Republican nominee should just skip the foreign policy debate. 

Yes, same bull different smell…Thanks for your insights on war crime flavors USA! USA! USA!

Barry increased the number of troops in Afghanistan and has sent troops to Uganda.  Try again!

Ha! That’s a great image!

Are you telling me she wasn’t outraged, outraged! that gadaffi wasn’t mirandized before he was murdered?

Hillary: “It says here that Bill dropped his pants again.”

Secretary Clinton has done a great job for us. Greatest Secretary of State since Dulles.

Obama did not really end the Bush wars, because in the end, he came to believe that having our troops in the middle east was strategically advantageous. Certainly without US support Gaddafi would still be ruling. 

Hillary = Bad…..Just because.
Love your rationality!

Guys, let’s be honest. I’m as much of a willfully ignorant, foam-at-the-mouth right wing idiot as the rest of them, so it’s clear to me that Gaddafi’s death somehow poorly reflects on that Marxist Kenyan in the White House. Am I right? Just waiting for Rush to tell me how, though… 

Isn’t that Anthony Weiner’s ho in the background?

I thought it was illegal for the U.S. to assasinate or assist in the assasination of foreign leaders.

Actually, some ‘stories’ on here shouldn’t have a comments section, ok?

Or, maybe democracy is just a failure?

Or, just human beings?

All the dead animals in Ohio would agree–if they could.

LOL

You are as irrelevant as ever.

Nowhere was Hillary mentioned. Way to stay on topic.

OBOZO-the-Clown has now become OBOZO-the-Assassin.  How many more murders does he have to be part of to win another Nobel Peace Prize and get promoted from a chicago thug to a chicago mass-murdering mobster?

OBOZO’s pal, the racist extremist louie farrakhan, is very upset at OBOZO’s part in the murder of louie’s good friend gadhafi. Louie’s brothers, huey and dewey, are so upset they will vote for TheONE for re-election only with “great regret”.

Wow- what a post – with a brain like yours, you   should be in Harvard Medical School- in a jar of formaldehyde!!!

She’s a servant of the Marxist Kenyan Muslim Fascist Messiah, isn’t she? I don’t know, for sure, but that’s what Rush seemed to be saying the other day so I’m going to have to take him at his word without questioning it in the slightest. 

Is that you Bill? Still can’t get over South Carolina can ya?

LOL

Please attach Rush’s quote.

I wonder if Hillary “corkscrewed”  under sniper fire into Afghanistan?

Yeah we are not allowed to assasinate foreign leaders, just our own citizens who make bad youtube videos.

Hillary is jealous of, and angry at Obama. This might just push her over the edge far enough for her to challenge her boss for the nomination.

Another Democrat puff piece from Mediate! 

Name 1 thing you have done since you were hatched.

I’m thinking you must have been given your miranda rights many many times over the years.

I don’t have to, child- he made a claim now he or you can back it up or just STFU, libturd!

Which is your favorite prison or sanitarium, Tony?

OBOZO-the-Clown…OBOZO-the-Assassin…murders…chicago thug…chicago mass-murdering mobster?

OBOZO’s…racist extremist louie farrakhan…OBOZO’s…murder…gadhafi…huey and dewey…TheONE…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deranged

Wonderful analysis.

Henny Youngman is back from the grave.

Hooray!  He’s dead!

Not bad, Obama said it would take less then a week, it took 8 months. That’s about right for the Obama admin.

Oh no- it looks like our new democratic friends took Gaddafi alive and then murdered him.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/video-reportedly-shows-gaddafi-was-captured-alive-nsfw/#disqus_thread

All of these victories for freedom and democracy are driving the Republicans crazy.  Republicans only support failure, and they keep proving it.

Oh, right, thanks for reminding us Obama ended the practice of torturing prisoners too.

Maybe; at least, maybe that was a factor. The larger picture is that presidents are not gods or kings: they  are at the apex of a huge bureaucracy, into the millions when one factors in the armed forces, made up of leaders and commanders etc each of whom are required, by law at least, to act in accordance with U.S. law. The running of U.S. operations in the Middle East is substantially in the hands of the U.S. armed forces, with the State department running along side. The former engages the Defense Secretary and his office, the Joint Chiefs, the chain of command in the area, and to both sets of actors you have to add in the CIA, now under the former area commander, and also the NSA, which is itself massive. 

And all of that is answerable to Congress, to the courts, and to the people thru elections. So, no president ever gets his own willful way on these things. Indeed, history shows a number of incidents where the pyramid below the president was effectively herding the president to decide in a particular direction, like Gulf of Tonkin, to some extent Iraq (tho that was more Cheney knowing how to take advantage of an incurious and simplistically-inclined personality), and many more.

The DoD and State are pretty much everywhere in the world, and want to be everywhere, so it wasn’t as if Bush came up with this idea and Obama clued it. As Obama has said, getting the U.S. government apparatus to change direction is like turning around a gigantic supertanker in a tiny harbor.

But to your point, the latest is that we ARE now leaving Iraq – except for the usual presence we have just about everywhere, in this case upped by a huge contingent of contractors now mostly to be reporting to State. So that war is ended, or rather the U.S. role in that ‘situation’ is over, tho in fairness, that was pretty much all negotiated while Bush was still in office, leaving to Obama – really to Petraeus and Hillary Clinton – the responsibility of negotiating tweaks to that with the Iraqi government. This is all quite normal, which, given this is Iraq we’re talking about, is really something. But again, I think a lot of this was settled out before Bush left, or else he wouldn’t have been there to have shoes hucked at him. I very much doubt Obama has been ‘convinced’ of anything of the sort you suggest.

On the Qaddaffi point, isn’t it interesting how confused the right is today on the involvement of the U.S.: Gingrch – go, no go, go, go big, no go big, go bigger. Today Rubio – we did nothing; oops – I guess we did. What we did was precisely what Obama decided we should do, no more, no less, and it worked. Like he said, it’s a case on to itself, it holds no lessons for the future and no higher meaning. The death of Qaddaffi is simply an event on the Libyan road to whatever, and we’re not planning to be part of that, unless once again events dictate. For all we now – or should care – Libya will go in any one of a hundred directions, none of them optimal for US interests, but hopefully in one we can live with. It’s not our country, not our right, not our decision, not our call. But of course, the CIA, as usual, has plans of its own, to who can know of those box in Obama or his successor in either 2013 or 2017. If I were forced to guess, I would rely on the truly awful and idiotic history of CIA shames and disasters and say, yes of course the next president will be involved.

That is not democracy it’s anarchy- and you must be proud of them having taken Q alive and then like a bunch of animals murdering him and dragging his body through the street.

Yeah, that’s your idea of freedom, you utterly splenetic and repulsive liberal jackal!

Not our mission, not part of the mission we chose for ourselves. And Miranda is peculiar to the US. There are a few countries with BETTER than Miranda: the countries under the European Human Rights Act, the UK with a parallel act, Canada with the act all that is based on – but most of the world has nothing at all comparable, and there’s nothing we can or should do about that, except maybe stop torturing people or contracting them out for torture and stop holding prisoners without due process, which it appears we’re not going to do.

It was a joke.

You conservatives hide your joy at the death of a terrorist very well.
One would almost think you wanted him to live forever.
May he do so in your hearts.

I don’t advocate capital punishment is any circumstance. You are projecting. You’re not a very good liar.

Fact: Clinton looks like she is in pain so to her
learning is painful. Right?

No, child- they murdered him after they captured him and those are the kind of people you support and are!

http://www.mediaite.com/online/video-reportedly-shows-gaddafi-was-captured-alive-nsfw/#disqus_thread

Fact: Translation to English please!

Your second-grade child attitude makes no one look like a fool.

Stonepark3 is now defending a murderous dictator.

Ah, someone didn’t get enough hugs from mommy.

Cry me a river, you ignorant lib.

Fact: disqus time port-hole jump!

No, I am criticizing the murderous mob that you support and identify with. Too bad you were not around in France in 1793 to put decapitated heads on spikes and march around Paris with them.

You don’t know that.  He may have died from injuries he incurred in the offensive.

Ah, yes I do:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/video-reportedly-shows-gaddafi-was-captured-alive-nsfw/#disqus_thread

I’d like to see things from your point of view but I can’t seem to get my head that far up my ass.

You left out Socialist. That’s a tell, on your lack of education. Marxism isn’t a governing system, it’s a construct, some say an ideology, that is open to being used to drive the agenda to one of several various kinds of governments, mostly socialist and communist. Anyway, you have to say Marxist-Leninist or Marxist-Revisionist-Leninist or Marxist-Stalinist or Post-Marxist-Stalinist or Marxist-Maoist or something along those lines, just to justify getting in the Marxist reference. Right now there really isn’t any large state that you can accurately label Marxist at all, except Cuba sort of, and even then it would be Post-Guevarran-Marxist-Communist-Castroist, because Castro, and even his younger bro, are pretty much figureheads at best.

You know, like it or not, there isn’t an orthodox economics school worth a bucket of spit that doesn’t have at least one course on the Marx Dialectic on Materialism. And there are actually several thousand full time university and think tank academics who research it, write on it, teach it, etc. Ironically, one of the schools of macroeconomics that is most scathing of it and no longer teaches it is the so-called Fresh Water school – where Obama was teaching and where his closest long-time friends and advisors come from: Friedmanites all and mostly anti-Keynesian. That is, you could make a hell of a lot stronger case that Romney is more Marxist than Obama – by BTW both of them are Harvard Law grads, where Marx is discussed so openly he might as well be on faculty.

It has been listening to to much Sinatra: Shoo-Be-Doo-Be-Doo

What a confused and silly little person you are.

Do you realize that rarely does anyone respond to you? If you want to write long arguments, then attend a college course.

There is enough fabric in Boxcar Billary’s pantsuit to make a tent city for all the refugees in Afghanistan.

As a new supporter of Ron Paul I’m glad he’s killed, but we really need to get out of these wars.  

I think she’s drooling, no wonder, these damn socialists are warmongers. Do they offer a “peace prize” for assassinating you own citizens? No waterboarding, close Gitmo, where are you lib parrots at now? Hahahahahaha…….. 

amount of people who will read all of this post = 0

I agree, plus his usually off topic.  

Well if it will make Wright and Farrahkahn happy Obama can blame Hillary for the kill since she was close to the crime seen. You just know she has more balls than he does…

Why would you draw that conclusion? I suppose you have never heard of Bush’s “Freedom Agenda” addressed to the Middle East? I suppose you were fine when Obama turned his back on the Iranian protestors being slaughtered in the streets, his waffling on whether or not his administration should support Mubarak. Let’s see where he goes with Syria. 
Your myopic view of politics in the ME and the role of democrats is crazy.

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I thought it was apparent I was being sarcastic. 

It was to me. I figured that you were bored, needed a hobby and so that hobby today is being sarcastic on all of the threads.

Glad to see another Tea Party patriot here. I agree with you.  

Ron Paul would be mad at how this all happened.

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Well, your mom was getting waxed so I had time. 

Every time I see you post, I can’t help but read it in Nancy Grace’s voice. You have no idea how irritating that is.

And in reference to your post, yes, we know. That’s the joke.

I agree, he hated go into another war, but I’m sure he’s glad Gaddafi is killed. He just thinks the people should police their own country.  

To use your favorite line.
I struck a nerve.
I am sure your IQ is 100 for a six year old.

he just outsourced his torturing to other countries through rendition.

Of course it does.  Maybe not the person she’s directing her comments at, but she ALWAYS makes SOMEONE look like a fool every time she posts.  Hint, hint, Stonepark3.

Not so much lately. Law enforcement is aware Jeff is incompetent to stand trial.

On behalf of Tom, Rick.

Quit trying to get all sentimental.

Obama wishes he could skip the economy debate

Deep.  Thoughtful.

According to Rush, none of the credit he’s receiving, or trying to receive, on this is appropriate.  Are you calling your Savior a liar?

Or any .

The reason you don’t like Obama is because he’s black and a Democrat.

The fat slobs in the Republican Party like Rush and Roger Ailes are still tired from getting down on their knees for eight years pushing the bullcrapp that Bush was a heroic war hero. They will probably never think straight again.  

Right-wingers and their incessant poop references.  I’m sure Freud would have something interesting to say about that.

Again with the Nancy Grace voice…

You are somewhat naive. I encourage you to look back over the last fifty years and military intervention abroad. When a president wants to go to war we go to war!! As for the Republican field or Fox so called News, Obama could bring world peace and cease armed conflict around the world these jokers would still sound inconsistent and irrational. Defeat Obama. Defeat Obama. Any opinion no matter how logical or accurate that runs counter to the movement of defeating Obama is unacceptable. 

What if he is debating vulture capitalist Whichmitt Romney who has zero experience creating jobs or likewise the pizzaman who would raise taxes on 84% of households with his 666 plan? Is there any candidate in the field with experience creating jobs? Obama has created millions of jobs since the Bush recession.

Are you suggesting Obimbo has adopted Bush’s plan, for lack of his own?

Government jobs payed by taxpayers does not fit the litmus test for job creation!

I guess your one of the few liberals that actually supported the Iraqi War. I mean it seems you’re ok with whatever Obama does militarily but when a conservative does it it’s wrong.

I mean Obama is quick to support the violent over throw in Libya, but did not support the Iraqi War and he will send, for now, military advisers to Uganda but won’t do crap to help the Syrian people or the Iranian up raising. Obama is just a little inconsistent. He’ll go after the little guy on the block but won’t stand up the bigger guys on the block. I mean if George Bush had of waited just 6 more months before going into Iraq he would have instead gone after Iran once we realize they were the ones building the nukes.

I’m not saying I know the answers to all our foreign policy issues but I can see inconsistencies in the application of our foreign policy and military with both political parties. Now we are going to be nation buliding all over again in Libya or we will just allow the extremist Muslim brotherhood to take that Middle Eastern country over like we did in Egypt.

There are no powers that be in the Middle East that are our friends or the friends of Israel, our ally, in that region of the world. They have no problem using us (the so called Western world) when it suits them. But they still hate us. Not just because we are friends with Israel but because we are not Muslims, period.

It is very possible and somewhat likely that the future rulers in Iraq and Afghanistan, when we eventually pull out, and in Egypt and now in Lybia will be worse than the evil regimes that controlled them before. Iraq and Libya are now weakened militarily without our presence. Iran will be quick to fill that void left in Iraq once we leave. The Caliphate movement in the middle east has begun and we are in part helping it. I fully united Islamic world will seek peace at first while building their military power and they will eventually seek world domination using first their vast oil reserves against us once they succeed in over throwing Saudi Arabia. We can keep our heads in the sand but this is coming. Our next generation of kids may be fighting World War III if we don’t get our crap together.

I was once a supporter of the Iraqi war but would love to get out of there now. But I’m torn because when we leave we will be leaving them at the misery of the Iranian regime. Even though I felt we should have gone into Afghanistan too dished out a bit of punishment for their roll in 9/11 they will always remain unconquerable because they will fight to the last man to stay in the stone ages. And the American people value life more than they do.

I can go on and on on this subject but I’ll stop. Most people on these blogs don’t like along winded posted.

Sorry for any typos or grammatical errors in advance.

You mean the pic where Obama had his Members Only jacket on after getting airlifted off the 11th hole green ten minutes before?

Do we have a shot of the moment she discovered that the Obama Campaign rigged the primary elections in 2008?
lol

Bush gets credit for going to Iraq which I think will finally be adjudged to have been a good idea. And Obama, who was against going to war as a campaigning senate nominee, concluded after arriving in office that at this point, staying and bolstering our efforts there was a good idea. For us to just pull out would cause at least tens of thousands of deaths, probably millions of deaths. Obama has not been a Bush basher, nor has he done anything but discourage talk about going after Cheney for war crimes. He supported the Bush bailouts. And they were a success, with one saving the financial industry – helping them to survive a burst bubble, and another saving our domestic auto industry. Both bailouts netted a profit for the tax payer, by the way. Bush and his people get the credit on that, but Obama could have blocked, as president elect, by leading his party in congress to reject the bailout bills. He supported Bush, openly and without reserve, and so did most of the democratic caucus. In fact that whole deal at the end of 2008 was an awesome display of our democracy in action, and working right. IMHO.

And RP wouldn’t want us giving aid money to these countries.

So you seem to know all about this “999″ plan.  But your statement is
not true. No one will not have to pay the SS and medicare income tax.
Even the poor currently pay these taxes. The poor will also be exempt
from the 9% flat tax. No one pays the 9% tax on the income below the
poverty line. They will pay some federal tax when they buy stuff but
only when buying something new. So the fact that they will be paying
some tax is offset by the fact they will not have to pay the SS and
Medicare tax. The sales taxes also ensures that people that did not
report income like illegal immigrates that are paid under the table and
drug dealers who don’t declare income.

Since there is only a 9% tax on net profits on businesses large
corporations that have left this country because of our current high tax
rate on high end corporate profits and the antiquated tax code will
come back in droves, bringing our unemployment rate back down to below 5% which helps the poor and the middle class. Prices on new goods made
here will eventually go down through competition and not having to pay
embedded taxes making the sales tax a wash when buying goods made here. Inflation though faster growth is the only threat to higher prices. But this kind of inflation also effect wages upwardly as well.  The inflation caused by printing lots of money is bad.

It eliminates the death tax and capitol gains tax. This may seem to help
the rich but there are many middle class people that invent their money
and many more would if the gains were not tax which would increase
saving in this country back to wear it should be which also helps
current companies invent and innovation flourishes.

Also, individual Americans spend an amount equal to 20% of the amount of
collected taxes and business large and small pay an estimated 250 to
300 million which year. I have recently seen the total figure is sightly
less the 1/2 a trillion dollars.  Now I know a lot of accountants and tax lawyers would
lose their jobs but there would be a 1/2 a trillion dollars available
in the pockets of people and businesses for more productive spending.

In either case the current tax system is crap, period. Something needs to be done.

BTW, Do you got a better idea? Because the only idea I here from the left is to tax the rich until there are no rich.  Just saying.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204346104576637310315367804.html?mod=rss_opinion_main

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_preparation

sorry for any typos and grammar errors in advance.

I would have been ok with that reaction. Ha!

It almost like Mika Brazenski with her camera pans and eye rolls. You gives a flying fart what her reaction is? How about her reaction to a Chicago Bears win or a bad episode of One Tree Hill?

And there’s enough room in your empty head to pitch it.

Isnt it interesting that the only part of the Obama administration that isnt a complete and utter fiasco is the part that is headed up by Hillary?

What a bunch of morons the Obots were in 2008 to choose him over her.  Morons every single one.

He should be a man and announce he isnt running again and then we can let Hillary and Bill take over and save the country and the planet, but Barry’s ego is more important than that – right Obots?

I do long posts, too, but we are philosophical opposites.
 
I STRONGLY opposed the Iraq War because I knew what would happen. I knew we would not be seen as liberators by all Iraqis, we would not be in and out in three weeks, and Iraq would not pay us in oil for our troubles. Those are the things that Donald Rumsfeld promised would happen and Bush 2 believed Rumsfeld instead of his own father, Bush 1.

I knew better because I was in Intelligence in the Gulf War (’91)  and I knew what all the complications were. That is why Bush 1 decided not to invade and take Saddam out then and there. We sure could have, and of course our military wanted to, but the guys at the top knew what our limitations were and made the right decision.

Bush 2 ignored those complications, no doubt wanting the same glory his father had–win a quick, clean war with minimal casualties and maximum praise.  It was a disaster, but you didn’t know what I knew in advance, so I don’t blame you for falling for it. However, you make a very big mistake when you do assume that I supported it when it happened.

For example, we are not now protecting Iraq from Iran. That was never really necessary. The wars between those two were never about total domination. They were over little slivers of land along the border and control of mouth of the river at the Persian Gulf. The old theory was that Iran might push through a weak Iraq to take Saudi Arabia, but that was very old school. Like 1950s, and never really taken seriously.

Now, you want Obama to invade Syria, just to be consistent? I know you don’t, but it is naive to even consider it. As Herman Cain so recently said, you guys are comparing apples and oranges when you try to compare what should be done about Syria with what was done about Libya. There are no legitimate comparisons. So don’t even try it.

The bottom line IS that fact that you guys supported those wars when Bush was in, but now you don’t because Obama is in. Who has the consistency problem?

Try a little harder.

So you are all for invading everywhere?

No I don’t want Obama to invade Syria or anyone else including Libya.  I’m just saying both parties are inconsistent which includes Obama and Bush and pretty much every President we’ve had this century when using military power. Had we been patient we would have seen Iran was the real problem instead of Iraq.  Right now most Americans including me want to get out of the Middle East period.

Fair enough. I want us out of those places, too.
The thing is, once you have gone in, you can’t just pull out an leave a vacuum that another Saddam Hussein or Muammar Gaddafi will fill in.
I think you know that McCain and other old-time establishment Republicans are saying Obama is pulling out too fast.
(Side note: My son will go to Afghanistan in January as an Army officer. He will be supervising contract trainers from America who will be training Afghan police forces. I have trained Jordanian Army personnel among others.)

to borrow a much used phrase “yawn”.

No. Did you read Korea’s comment? Again WHY would Republicans not want to see these nation’s embrace a free society without a dictator?  These victories for democracy were the very thing Bush was advocating yet was criticized by the Left. Who said anything about invading? The US didn’t invade Libya, we lent our military air strength along with our allies and NATO.

Whether or not these nations embrace democracy (as we know it) will be a reach considering the role religion has played for centuries in this part of the world. However, having fair and safe elections, women’s rights and education taken seriously, and the younger generation to embrace technology, science and innovations would be awesome.

Are you proud of that? That’s like the weakest, most by-the-numbers Bill Clinton joke ever. It’s like if your punchline was ‘and then Cheney said “no thanks, I have a bad heart!” 

Even those we may have differences politically we do agree on much…But either way I’m grateful for your serve and wish your son a safe and speedy return back to American.

I served in the AF years ago but never served during a War. Lucky I guess.

Has anyone ever seen an unconfirmed report of Hillary hittin’ the gym or, say, walking somewhere?  She was always thick: now she’s huge!

Question:What do Sarah Palin and Muamar Gaddafy have in common?

A: They both secretly like Rice!

____________________________
Old Crusty On The Run

Hillary loves to pose in her crusty old black pants
Gazing over some gruesome battlefield expanse
Like she did long ago
In the strife of Kosovo.
Like a dog to it’s vomit – it’s the  same song and dance!

“I was running between Gadaffi’s compounds,
When I nearly got shot by stray rounds
I was dodging the fire
When I started to perspire
And damn nearly lost a few pounds!”

Next they showed when she saw Gadaffy dragged
Thru the streets when he found himself bagged.
“He always dressed so nice,
And he loved Condi Rice,
And I’m the reason they got him”, Hillary bragged!
___________________________
CHarles Ulysses Feney

Then I take it we are in agreement that Obama (or any other administration) should not attack Syria or Iran for the purpose of protecting their citizens from their own governments or for imposing democracy precisely as we practice it.

The neo-cons proved the hard way that initiating war on principle alone is always a disaster.

Going back to our own revolution, we only felt we won because we started it ourselves. We had a lot of help from the French, but if we thought for one minute that the French had made the decision for us, we probably would have sided with the British.

As for the Libya thing, we and all of NATO saw that the majority of Libyans were ready and willing to overthrow the Gaddafi regime, and we let them do the fighting on the ground. They can claim their victory and still greatly appreciate the help. They know where it came from.

Then I take it we are in agreement that Obama (or any other administration) should not attack Syria or Iran for the purpose of protecting their citizens from their own governments or for imposing democracy precisely as we practice it.

The neo-cons proved the hard way that initiating war on principle alone is always a disaster.

Going back to our own revolution, we only felt we won because we started it ourselves. We had a lot of help from the French, but if we thought for one minute that the French had made the decision for us, we probably would have sided with the British.

As for the Libya thing, we and all of NATO saw that the majority of Libyans were ready and willing to overthrow the Gaddafi regime, and we let them do the fighting on the ground. They can claim their victory and still greatly appreciate the help. They know where it came from.

I get a little too passionate about military matters. A lot of it is because people assume from my liberal take on everything else that I must hate the military and be all bleeding heart about these things.
I see having the right amount of military power as important, and I got in an argument with a guy about whether or not we are defending Japan because we have troops there.
I tried to explain preparedness and pre-positioning troops and equipment in case of NK attacking SK and/or China attacking Taiwan, but he wouldn’t listen.
So, I get a little heated.
Sorry.

If you look back over the last fifty years you will find the ones who tried to ‘turn arround a gigantic supertanker in a tiny harbour’ murdered (think 2 x Kenedy)…

http://tiny.cc/r1zzu

http://tinyurl.com/4xphq52

You know how conservatives are.

Take Stonepark3…
Please!

Captured him shot full of holes from a French jet fighter. How could that be fatal?

Well ‘attack’ is the operative word. The Libyan rebels were far from overthrowing Gaddafi despite early victories but the same could have been said about Iran. The major difference is that one is an enemy of America and violating the nuclear weapons ban, the other did not pose a direct threat to America (except protecting our oil interests). 

“Then I take it we are in agreement that Obama (or any other administration) should not attack Syria or Iran for the purpose of protecting their citizens from their own governments …”

But that was literally the reason Obama gave for getting our military involved in Libya. Apparently an excuse that is good for one nation, isn’t always good for another.  The justification of military involvement comes down to one of humanity, such as sending troops to Uganda. It becomes subjective to the administration right? What major conflict would be in our best interest to get involved and why. Clearly attacking Iran would have greater consequences than a country such as Libya.   Regardless of actual military assistance, the disappointing thing about Obama during the Iran uprising was his lack of support for the students who were out protesting for freedom- he was so late to the table to verbally recognize their efforts it was pathetic.  Other nations were quick to denounce the Iranians governments actions and Obama appeared not to want to offend the Iranian leaders until it was clear he needed to make a statement.
 
I don’t believe this administration or the last, ever had delusions of ‘imposing’ democracy as we live by, in the ME, at best you could hope for a moderate religious leader backed by a popular consensus that doesn’t kill the opposition.
 

Yes .I am. Are you proud that you are a loser libby boy?

I don’t want too!

make $85/hour on the computer. like my sister sherry has been without a job for 7 months but last month her check was $7330 just working on the computer for a few hours. I started 5 days ago and am doing great! Read about it here: lazycash5.c@m(replace @ with letter ‘o’)

A good reaction.  Meanwhile,  BushDrunk is still working on “My Pet Goat.”

The “Little People” are vomiting again today.  Gargoyles off their perches once more.  It’s a Friday.  They’re excited.  They get the keys to the SUV/PU tonight.  N a trip to thee SportsBar tew!  Yup!

The only photo of this idiot I want to see is one captured the very moment her fat-ass leaves Washington for the last time…..

Running out of reply buttons. No sweat.
I think we are in basic agreement on 90% of the Middle East Talks that we are having.
It comes down to total differences and similarities between Iraq and Libya. Syria is already agreed upon.

Iraq. Iraq is not Arab, but it is Muslim. That may or may not be significant, but it can make a big difference to the rest of the world because it is a matter of attacking Muslims, which is good propaganda for Al Qaeda and lots of others that we don’t want to hand propaganda victories to.

The Arab States don’t want us to attack Iran because of the Muslim element combined with the anti-Israel thing. Israel really hates Iran. If we attack Iran, it looks like we do it for Israel. To you and me, that should be a side issue, but it isn’t. (I don’t think even Israel would gain by us attacking Iran.)

I think the biggest similarity between Iran still and Libya a year ago is the public face that we saw. Gaddafi for Libya and Ahmadinejad for Iran. The two of them were clearly crazy men. The big (but subtle?) difference between the two is that Gaddafi was a dictator with full power over his people,  military, etc.while Ahmadinejad was elected (rigged election or not) and his job is even now in jeopardy.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/jazz/52744244-68/iran-khamenei-ahmadinejad-president.html.csp

There is a good chance that democracy will work in Iran, even if we don’t like the outcome very uch. There was no chance that democracy would work in Libya as long as Gaddafi remained dictator. Gaddafi could always do a 180 and had the personality to do it. Akma is restrained by his own lack of real power. Gaddafi could have continued (or resumed) sponsoring terrorists any time he wanted to.

What we did in Libya was “contained” to Libya. Doing anything to Iran would bring disaster to the entire Middle East.

Finally, Libya isn’t really “Middle East.” It is (Arab) North Africa, and the rest of the Arabs were embarrassed by Gaddafi. They supported what we (as NATO) did. That is the real bottom line.

Yes assassination is far more righteous, just and humane than torture…you deserve your dear leader

Uganda. Interesting.  Special Forces training Uganda soldiers. It is a good bet that SF teams have been training soldiers in Uganda for at least a decade, but you only hear about it now because somebody dug it up and claims it is a brand new “adventure” that America shouldn’t be involved in. (Note: I can’t say it is a fact because those missions are not “announced in press releases.”)

We send SF teams all over the world to train military forces who are friendly with us. That is the job of Special Forces–to train. The full list of where SF teams are training foreign forces today is and must be classified. What matters is that we are not bringing war to remote parts of the world.

What matters is that we bring training to countries that need to learn from our expertise in guerrilla and counter-guerrilla warfare. That is the job of Special Forces. It is an ongoing-job and has been since before John F. Kennedy authorized the wearing of the Green Beret.

Did you notice that the politicians are quiet about it? They all know this is not news. It should not be news. It is part of our “quiet war on terrorism” and our support to stability everywhere.

Oh yes, running to the left or…no right while the titanic sinks…great idea. I’m taking the liberty ship to freedom

Libya had nothing to do with the Lockerbie bombing: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/world/europe/29lockerbie.html